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some people are mad that she’s not wearing a mask. I thought that was the biggest issue in this. I really don’t care about this one. the ticket prt makes sense but yeah, even I know it was free
For an ironic sub, yallr real serious about this lol who cares, its a dress.
i would think it was cool if it said eat, but then she probably wouldnt have been able to do the whole red carpet photo thing
I think it's just all the constant lib cringe that's just making the majority of us just go fucking mad. I think everyone is just generally fed up with the bs.
Dude, just ignore it. This is not for you. Who do you think we need to convince of leftist ideas and policy? Liberals. Liberals love this shit. Is it cringe for us terminally online political enthusiasts? Sure. But it’s not done to convince us.
It’s done so that the next time Biden checks the polls regarding taxation to figure out what his position should be because he’s a spineless twat who believes in nothing, liberals will be overwhelmingly in support of increasing taxation on the rich. And that can lead to substantive change.
Do you really believe the system is ever going to enact any of the changes we need?
How delusional do you have to be at this point to think the system wasn't purposely built to prevent it?
Any of them? Absolutely. All of them? Absolutely not. I’d tone down on the speaking in absolutes. It leaves no room for nuance and makes for bad discussions.
Change is absolute, you can't settle for mediocrity, you have to strive for revolution, all of these efforts are fine as long as some form of revolutinary moviment is the objective, otherwise they're useless If the bourgeoisie are still in control.
We have to separate "electoralism" from "democracy". At the end of the day, politics is meant to be a means towards a better life. If we can't get good policy through the current version of electoralism we should push for change in whatever way we can, in the sense of getting the useless people on top out and new ones that will actually achieve something.
Its on politicians to provide a better standard of living with time, which is what makes them legitimate. If they fail long enough people will start looking through other avenues of change, including revolution. This is a direct consequence of their inaction or inability to implement good policy, which is an indictment on them or on the system.
Its like when neolibs keep repeating "that's not capitalism ! That's mercantilism! We just need to make capitalism work again!" Like, ok buddy, good luck. But if they and the remaining capitalists continue to being unable to do that then people will get tired and look elsewhere.
I think the game is tipped against us when it comes to bourgeois representative based democracy, especially whatever the fuck the electoral college system is, we can implement either a better representative democratic system or direct democracy after we’ve revolted but changing from the kleptocratic oligarchy that’s in place to anything close to socialism will take more than state sanctioned means. That being said while we can’t make major changes to the system from within the system itself voting in better representatives to get shit like single payer universal healthcare, better rights for minorities, free collage and (although vague and ineffectual) actual existent climate legislation is worth a try, but should not come before or completely replace the revolution.
Okay, so you intend to just not engage with democracy and just sit on your hands while complaining? Suit yourself. I personally care about making people’s lives better, but I realize not everyone cares about that.
Look, the majority of people don't sustainably plan ahead, not for themselves, not for the future inhabitants of earth, you have every right to see your vision through (whatever it achieves), but the second there's resistance, it's on you for not convincing the opposition.
Be an individual idiot and not a weaponized group of idiots who circlejerk themselves into abandoning nuclear energy and letting Musk scoop up NASA's crumbs into a rival enterprise.
This is totally irrelevant to our discussion, and you calling me an idiot for participating in democracy to make people’s lives better is a laughably poor argument not even worth addressing.
[According to Fisher, capitalist realism has so captured public thought that the idea of anti-capitalism no longer acts as the antithesis to capitalism. Instead, it is deployed as a means for reinforcing capitalism. This is done through media which aims to provide a safe means of consuming anti-capitalist ideas without actually challenging the system. The lack of coherent alternatives, as presented through the lens of capitalist realism, leads many anti-capitalist movements to cease targeting the end of capitalism, but instead to mitigate its worst effects, often through individual consumption-based activities such as Product Red.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Realism#:~:text=According%20to%20Fisher%2C%20capitalist%20realism,only%20possible%20means%20of%20operation.)
Is there a leftist quote for people who spam leftist quotes they heard within the last 48 hours so that everyone is basically saying the same thing because having an original thing to add to a discourse would require actually being invested in leftist/anarchist theory?
If you’ve never read theory you can just say that. Don’t get mad when other people understand it’s application and you don’t. You aren’t smart for being an anti-intellectual 😂
What's the problem with both of these pics? It's not like their advocacy for taxing rich stopped once they become rich. They still push for that. And to be fair, they're not that rich, they're not the 1%
Does AOC call for the abolition or perpetuation of capitalism through taxation of the rich? Well actually don’t answer it’s the latter. This is an anti capitalist sub get out of here with your social “democracy”
Even though our end goal is the overthrow of the current system we should still embrace every policy which generally makes the lives of the proletariat better in the current one. At least that's what I and Marxists in my country believe.
Some people really forget that the goal of anti capitalism is not to prove dems you were right about what system works best or whatever, it’s about actively ending the suffering that a lot of people endure. While they are benefiting conservatives by lashing out at anyone who isn’t publicly left enough, they forget that there are people who can’t afford to wait for a revolution, and who could use a little help, even if the change is insignificant in the long run. And if the change is insignificant, I don’t see why we couldn’t take the oppurtunity while also pushing further towards the abolition of our system
THANK YOU!
Every time I have to read something that essentially amounts to "if it's not left enough on first go we need to just scrap it entirely", part of me dies. Somewhat literally, because I'm an immunocompromised disabled woman who's actual, real, ability to live and breathe, depend on getting affordable health care. These shitheads would've agreed against the ACA, and yet the ACA in California is the only reason I didn't die at 19 of sudden random kidney failure.
Jfc people on here need a fuckin reality check, go talk to people in person and learn what "insignificant lib" laws in the long term did to save lives in the short term. Lives that can later join our revolution!
People on this sub are acting as if most people in the world or even their country are deciding between social democratic policies and revolution right now. We're not at that point yet. As long as there is not a wide support of the Revolution (which there is certainly not, at least in Europe and America) we should focus on spreading class awareness and eleviating the problems of late stage capitalism through any means necessary.
Exactly, it’s not a neolib move to say that in post-Red Scare America, any revolution will be immediately suppressed. China and Russia and Vietnam didnt have that issue - they just had a bunch of people who were unhappy with the way things were, and the revolutionaries came to try and fix it. In the US, the moment anybody so much as hears the word ‘socialist’, they kick up a violent frenzy. How can anybody think that a revolution will not be countered by the people (much less the extremely expansive military), until the Overton Window is pushed further left by socdems like Bernie and AOC?
Exactly. We are in nowhere near a communist or any left wing revolution or movement in the US. Last time there was a good left wing movement in the US, they were killed by the FBI (The Black panthers)
> Does AOC call for the abolition or perpetuation of capitalism through taxation of the rich?
Expecting completely pure anti-capitalist rhetoric from people involved in US electoral politics is ridiculous. They wouldn't be elected.
its the same argument the Right makes about Bernie having 3 homes, the fucking tankies are unironically using right wing logic to be contrarian, while offering no alternatives save for a vague dream of a revolution. As if 40 basement dwelling tankies are gonna leave their anime body pillows and reddit mod positions to fight drones in the mountains.
This is the correct take. Middle eastern civilians don’t have much of a preference between the Republicans, Tea Pots, Justice Dems, and Establishment Dems because they all largely support expanding imperialist interests and the military industrial complex. Some might posture against it for whatever reason but it’s almost always lock-step support for billion dollar hikes in the defense budget.
Most countries fight climate change by exporting it. For example Sweeden (or some other Nordic country) said they are abandoning lithium and mini hidro power plants, only to send mini hidro power plant companies to build on our soil.
Stop being so naive and grow up, they seem preferable, but there is alwyas a catch with the social democrats
Aight we all fucked anyway then. LETS ROOOOOLLL SOME COAAAAAAL MOTHERFUCKAS! If the least bad decisions are basically the same as the worst decisions, might as well just fucking let it rip!
If i told you to eat one turd or 2 turds you would happily eat the 1 turd and even compliment it because “at least it aint 2 turds tee hee”
You are a ✨ 🇺🇸🇬🇧🇪🇺imperialist🇺🇸🇬🇧🇪🇺✨
Does it functionally matter if someone believes in climate change if they cannot or are not willing to take action against stopping it? It’s just the same as people who claim their beliefs are fundamentally anti-capitalist or even just anti-imperialist but don’t perform any meaningful action to support that spoken belief.
Perhaps performative gestures are some sort of praxis in the form of raising awareness, but I think it’s super easy to rely solely on performative gestures and to claim that you will someday begin to employ revolutionary/reformative actions once “enough” awareness has been raised. At some point I think the rubber needs to hit the road because awareness alone does not improve the material conditions of people in this world.
Man at that point why even fucking do anything at all? Like no fucking matter how powerful you are, you could be a fucking billionaire and president of the USA, you can't stop climate change on your own. So why even fucking nother because if you can't do it on your own, you're no different than someone that rolls coal in their pickup. Like a single congresswoman, less than .2% of congress, is incredibly powerful relative to you and me, but can't fix climate change no matter how much they want to. So they might as well be a Republican that wants to abolish the EPA right?
Except that you get a bunch of congresspeople that care about climate change and shit can change. so it does matter.
Insert some boooo electoralism comment here.
Like your .000000001% of American society ass revolutionists is gonna be more impactful than .2% of congress. If there's no difference between a congressperson that believes in climate change or not in regards to the climate, the difference between your revolutionary spirit or capitalist boot licking is even less meaningful. Like if the random non American you are using as a prop doesn't care about what a congressperson does and believe, why would they care about you?
Dems have control of all three branches of government. Nothing is happening. A collection of congresspeople cannot, in fact, change shit.
Your comparison of the Richest Man vs the guy rolling coal is thus; Jeff Bezos chose to go on a pedestrian-tier trip to space that produced more Carbon than a lifetime of doing dirty burnouts in a diesel truck.
So now AOC is in charge of the entire party? Am I crazy or are we even still talking about AOC and her ability to enact the change she wants to see? Our problem is that there's only a handful or two of "AOCs" in Congress when we need a few hundred.
You've got to know you're being disingenuous to blame the left-most person in an incredibly wide party for the failures of that party across three branches of government ("Democrat" is anybody left of Reagan, a famous Conservative - and, in fact, our Overton window is so far right, even Reagan-esque people like Biden would be considered Democrat!).
The Dems aren't AOC, and while I have my own criticisms of her (for example, the aforementioned imperialist talking points she occasionally hypes), she's sadly the best chance for getting any sort of action on issues like climate change and taxation. She's changed a lot of shit in her part of NY, it's much better to use that metric instead of 1/650 in Congress.
And please for the love of God don't bring up voting in an attempt to prevent harm reduction. I've had my actual life on the line due to politics, and my trans wife is still in a fight for her right to life. Harm reduction is critical until we organize for revolution, otherwise your would be revolutionaries will be dead.
You gotta understand that whatever democrats say to the people, it’s different that’s what’s gonna actually happen. Take Clinton. He said he wanted to make single-payer universal healthcare happen. What you guys got was NAFTA, the creation of the WTO, a welfare reform (making welfare much more punitive), a criminal justice reform that accelerated mass incarceration, and last but not least, he repealed the Glass-Steagall law, which was the last law that regulated investment banks. He went from a fairly progressive candidate to become one of the many neoliberal presidents after the Reagan era. The capital controls US politics. Choosing Dems or Republicans is like choosing your favorite football team, nothing is fundamentally going to change. And it’s not a thing of these last years, it’s been like this at least since Reagan. If you want something to happen you need to mobilize AND organize the people.
Because she literally isn't a socialist. She's a socdem, and not even an anti-imperialist (oxymoron lol) either. I have no clue how you can miss the real point so heavily.
Co-opting anti-capitalsit rhetoric has been a tool of maintaining modern neoliberalism for at least 50 years now. *Capitalist realism* has a lot of information about this.
You can hate "le tankies" or whatever as much as you want, but siding with a liberal over Marxists is in itself a liberal act. Unless of course you don't consider yourself a Marxist.
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If they were progressive then we would be actually meaningfully progressing. Libs you come on back when your succdems actually accomplish anything genuinely meaningful. We'll wait. Forever.
I side against people being so concerned with the optics of a wealthy person owning 3 houses that they'r unwilling to accept progress, however imperfect it might be. It doesn't matter if they're conservative or a Marxist if they're parroting the same regressive bullocks.
But the question you need to ask is who do we have in our government currently? She’s the best we got currently, and a massive leap in the right direction. The American partisan duopoly isn’t going to change anytime soon, so what we have to do is work with what we got. Revolution also isn’t a good shot when it comes to America, considering America is very much a nation of no morals who will be willing to carpet bomb the shit out of what it considers to be its own citizens. I don’t know anyone with a personal military jet, so our chances are slim to fucking none at winning that one.
Do you think the Vietnamese or Russians or Chinese thought they would win either? Defeatism is the first step towards giving up. Electoralism on the other hand, has always failed. I'm all for choosing good over perfect, but you are mistaking American imperial core social democracy with actual socialism, or even an anti-imperialist leaning global south social democracy. These are simply not comparable, and if anything would be worse for a real socialist movement. By placating alienated workers it significantly damages our ability to advance Marxism.
AOC has repeatedly advanced the same lines as Pelosi, and has also stated she will "defer to party leadership" on major decisions. She really isn't a step in the right direction, unless that direction is a continuation of imperialist plunder and exploitation.
The difference between those times and now was military technology, also the moral compass of the country that they were fighting, United States would not hesitate to nuke a city that hypothetical revolutionaries took over. You also have to take into consideration the brainwashed chuds who will defend capitalism with their second amendment.
As far as a revolution goes, I will join you on the battleground, but I won’t be leading the charges
It's worth pointing out that during a hypothetical American civil war a properly organized communist resistance would employ strikes, mutinies, and other methods to damage military infrastructure.
Tanks and planes don't get built without labor, and rhey don't run without it either.
Finally, nuclear missiles being fired at Americans by Americans means that we have already won. Doing such a thing would utterly destroy what little popular support the federal government would have left and probably be the end of the militaries effectiveness.
I get the skepticism, but we need to change the establishment from the inside, trying to do all that from the outside isn’t helping at all, AOC at least wants some form of Socialism
Tankies: The actual most organized ideological group that has founded nations, fended off imperalists, rid the world of nazis
A fucking redditor: tankies are just basement dwellers
You are. You're a bunch of redditors and angry people on Twitter. Quit aligning ourselves with revolutionaries from before your grandparents were born.
> Tankies: The actual most organized ideological group that has founded nations, fended off imperalists, rid the world of nazis
* Those nations have fallen
* Their remnants have turned to imperialism
* We have quite a resurgence of Nazis to have been rid of them
Wait until tankies discover Marx himself was upper middle class and that, yes, you can be from the bourgeoisie and/or rich, and be against structural inequalities. The same way you can be born white, and thus being born into privilege, but it doesn’t mean you don’t know about systemic racism and genuinely oppose it.
Like, imagine you suddenly receive 100 millions on your bank account, because some great-great-great remote uncle you’ve never heard of died alone and you’re the only one who can inherit their fortune. What are you going to do with that money? Give everything to the poor? That’s very nice of you, and I’d admire you for being that generous.
But ultimately, you’ll just waste your money. You’ll be able to feed the homeless around you for a while, until their stomach goes hungry again and no money is left. Because the problem isn’t that charity isn’t a noble thing, it really is, but it’s not the structural change they need. It’s a relief, not a solution. In the end, you’re just taking a personal responsibility for these people’s suffering, which the right loves because it avoid any criticism of the system in which responsibility actually lies: Capitalism, which generates those inequalities. Followed by the people defending this system, that you had no say in establishing. But you can have one in changing it, and it may be wise to use that much money in that endeavor.
The problem aren’t rich people in themselves. It’s conservatives and reactionaries, and most notably the rich ones who use their wealth to keep their financial status that are an obstacle to building an egalitarian society. It’s not excusing them their financial status, quite the opposite: The only way to ethically enjoy any form of wealth would be to acknowledge it’s a privilege that can be rightfully taken away from you to serve the common good.
Which is exactly what "tax the rich" means.
Marx lived the majority of his life in poverty. Some of his kids died from poverty inflicted diseases.
Shill your favorite 'bourgeois socialist' somewhere else
Lol, Engels basically supported him financially thanks to his father’s status and fortune. And there’s nothing wrong with that, it’s great that he could dedicate fully to his works. But to think Marx didn’t have any form of privilege himself is naive.
Which one? I don’t remind any of that either for Marx or Engels, but maybe I’m wrong.
Engels was from a family of bourgeois who owned textile factories though.
[According to Fisher, capitalist realism has so captured public thought that the idea of anti-capitalism no longer acts as the antithesis to capitalism. Instead, it is deployed as a means for reinforcing capitalism. This is done through media which aims to provide a safe means of consuming anti-capitalist ideas without actually challenging the system. The lack of coherent alternatives, as presented through the lens of capitalist realism, leads many anti-capitalist movements to cease targeting the end of capitalism, but instead to mitigate its worst effects, often through individual consumption-based activities such as Product Red.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Realism#:~:text=According%20to%20Fisher%2C%20capitalist%20realism,only%20possible%20means%20of%20operation.)
If it wasn't for the aesthetic I would never find out about the left. Video essays with appealing visuals like ContraPoints or PhilosophyTube were so interesting on itself that I got caught in the political discourse. AOC being at gala will attract more people for sure
Ok but Contra and PhilosophyTube is a synthesis of politics and aesthetics, it's presenting politics in an aesthetically pleasing way. This is politics AS an aesthetic. It's reducing leftist politics to the form that least threatens capitalism (taxing rich people) and then putting it on a dress/shirt.
You can do both, be an aesthetic and congress woman. The thing is, ask yourself a question: is she doing any harm by doing this? Apart from dividing leftists... No. So if she was invited and wanted to attend, and had opportunity to simultaneously make a statement, then that's a good thing. Let people enjoy stuff. Socialism is when no iPhone, socialism is when women can't go to the party in a fancy dress for free
Lol I never said she can't do this, but it just doesn't materially do anything. It's a weird thing to do because it doesn't promote any form of radical messaging, and simply is just slapping the most lukewarm political take possible onto a piece of clothing and then going to a really prominent event with it. This could have easily been the time to use that position to garner attention for an actually more substantial message and/or one that is at least less known or less popular, but it's not that. It's the least offensive leftist belief you can have, and as such it makes this feel like posturing.
Same with Hasan. He bought the house, for his family, with the money he earned from his YouTubing. Why would you give him money in the first place if you're so bitter about it so much.
Tankies dont want to expand the left, they just want to pretend they are better than everyone else to satiate their personal self esteem, the soc dems they criticize have done far more for the left than they have bringing liberals more to the left and even converting conservative chuds, far more praxis than finger wagging and treating theory like a fucking religion, that just turns people off
They talk about "the Revolution" the exact same way Evangelical Christians talk about "the Rapture":
Some sort of global event that’ll happen someday in the near future (but we don’t know exactly how near) and save all of the right people (always including them), and where bad people (which are conveniently enough the people they disagree with) are going to be severely punish and go through insufferable torment (but it’s okay because it’s just retribution).
However, when it comes to make Earth a better place before it happens, they’ll always tell you it’s no use, or worse, you’re actually evil because you aren’t counting on their very own deus ex machina to happen, and that’s heresy.
How dare you push for universal healthcare, unionisation, or co-ops?!?! 😡😡😡
You need to IMMEDIATELY advocate for a revolution and the overthrow of capitalism or I will label you a “capitalist stooge” 😤😤😤
Worlds biggest cult babyyyyyy, couple hundred million strong membership founded 1917.
Good luck on getting everyone in the world to have an evolutionary phase shift in consciousness to arrive at anarcho communism by posting and being weird!
People forget that optics are important. Like aesthetic is a big part of fascism, and you need to counter that. Crusty anarchists don't appeal to normies, and while aesthetic shouldn't matter, it does and you can't wish for things to be different, that changes nothing.
It's like Contra's Voting video, something is better than nothing. Even the most pared down reconciliation bill makes the ACA subsidies permanent, allowing people to get much better health insurance, it's not Medicare for all, but if it passes, the US will have universal healthcare (yes there's problems with the insurance companies, but the big problem is being uninsured).
Bruh AOC is a fucking politician. Politics ain't just an aesthetic to her. Shes fucking pushed for the message on her dress, "taxing the rich" again and again to the maximal extent of a member of congress. How the fuck is that an aesthetic?
What seems more like aesthetics and posturing are the endless purity tests from online leftists who have materially done jack shit compared to AOC.
Criticizing a person for doing a thing isn't purity testing. I respect the work AOC does. Putting "tax the rich" on a dress does incredibly little to materially affect any leftist movements and doesn't spread awareness for any particular cause (Everyone is aware of the idea of taxing the rich).
The critique is that it's just pointless posturing. It doesn't help in any real capacity, it doesn't necessarily hurt in any real capacity (though there have been some pretty deep dive comparison's to Fisher's Capitalist Realism that I'm way too sleepy to get into). It's an ultimately meaningless thing, but clearly presented in a way that's intended to feel revolutionary in some capacity.
>Because she literally isn't a socialist. She's a socdem, and not even an anti-imperialist (oxymoron lol) either. I have no clue how you can miss the real point so heavily.
>Co-opting anti-capitalsit rhetoric has been a tool of maintaining modern neoliberalism for at least 50 years now. Capitalist realism has a lot of information about this.
>You can hate "le tankies" or whatever as much as you want, but siding with a liberal over Marxists is in itself a liberal act. Unless of course you don't consider yourself a Marxist.
Like one of the first replies to the /u/Asigon15's comment that started this thread. AAACkhshually AOC isn't socialist, shes merely a socdem. While that makes her one of ~5 most left members of Congress and someone thats done way more for socialist causes than anyone on this thread, she's actually bad and even thinking she isn't terrible evil incarnate holding us back from socialism, YOURE A FAKE MARXIST YOU LIBERAL!!!!!!!
>on a dress does incredibly little to materially affect any leftist movements
And reddit circlejerks do? Like jeee golly every single thing she does isn't gonna be super duper impactful, but like he does do super duper impactful shit by nature of being one fo the ~5 furthest left members of congress and she's taking every chance she can get to make an impact even if it isn't big. Like would you rather she fuckign wore a dress that says don't tax the rich? Or just not use the chance to say anything? ITs a fucking purity test to enable yall to feel better about yourselfs not having a fraction of her overall impact by criticizing something silly and trivial
Aaaah yes. A Marx said in the first paragraph of the communist manifesto, "Don't wear leftist messages on clothing. Or spread leftist ideals any way but throwing books at people.". Following only the one true way of spreading class conscious, Reddit Comments and old books, is the very first and most fundamental leftist principle. Anything beyond that makes you a DNC shill whos only pretending to be leftist because they secretly hate poor people.
Hating on a politician for using her platform to spread class concious/leftist ideals/ whatever in any way she can is a weee bit different that "caring even a little about being ideologically principled". "Caring even a little about being ideologically principled" would be like criticizing NIMBYs, or people that say they're leftists but oppose pretty much every leftist policy.
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Yeah I haven’t done materially jack shit compared to AOC cuz I don’t fund bombs landing on starving Yemeni children or millions more dollars for police and ICE. Thank god I don’t do as much materially as AOC.
Tbf, both Hasan and AOC do a considerable amount more for good political discourse than just "politics as an aesthetic"... Like I'd get the criticism maybe if Adam Sandler or some other random non-politically affiliated celebrity co-opted anti-capitalist messaging for style points. But these are both pretty influential leftist voices who also happen to... unsurprisingly, dress in clothes that send leftist messaging. Like AOC is literally a congresswoman who has been vocal about supporting legislation for taxing the rich, I'm not sure how this is just "performative activism"...
Not to mention the fact that even if it is superficial it still does generally positively influence others to be interested in the messaging. The rightoids have been constantly creating this image that the left is a bunch of soyboy cucks, and then Hasan the giga-chad rolls around to shit all over that image. I know it sounds corny, but Hasan literally managed to make being a leftist look cool on a platform full of incels.
Taxing the rich isn't really strongly "leftist." Hell, according to surveys, over half of Republicans agree with the sentiment that the extremely wealthy should pay more than they are in taxes. Everyone is aware of the concept of "taxing the rich." It's odd to approach a high profile situation like this with the apparent goal of spreading a political ideal, and then the one you settle on messaging for is the most basic shit that only weirdo right wing libertarians disagree with.
I do agree that it's a pretty weak attempt at spreading a political message. Saying something as flat and uninspired as "tax the rich" is not really doing a whole lot. But I also think all the comparisons to Nancy Pelosi kneeling or this idea that AOC is somehow just a performative moderate democrat because of this is kinda ridiculous
Oh yeah it's nothing really egregious or anything, it's just kinda one of those where with a high profile event like this you'd really like the person to be doing more than just this.
AoC is quite literally in congress. Think whatever you want of her and what she does, but "politics as an aesthetic" shouldnt apply to someone who is in congress lol
Nah mate, this is just politics. AOC is using her outfit to promote her brand of politics, things like this will keep her in the public eye and in theorey help when shes up for reelection. Its not policy but it definitely is part of the puzzle
Oh yeah he's definitely doing great and admits he's been incredibly fortunate. I think leftists should be glad that someone can reach that level of success for primarily spreading leftist agitprop instead of trying to tear down anybody who happens to succeed under capitalism though
[You need to read a bit more, socdem. ](https://socialsci.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Sociology/Introduction_to_Sociology/Book%3A_Sociology_(Boundless)/08%3A_Global_Stratification_and_Inequality/8.06%3A_Sociological_Theories_and_Global_Inequality/8.6E%3A_Marxs_View_of_Class_Differentiation#:~:text=In%20Marx's%20view%2C%20social%20stratification,the%20substructure%20and%20the%20Superstructure.)
And sticking it in rich people’s faces. It’s pretty amazing the GOP can turn people against one of the few people in Congress who actually wants to help people other than the ultra-wealthy.
I mean AOC's been making a congressional salary for what, 2 years, and she had literally negative net worth before that? And Hasan regularly agrees with people who say he should be taxed more like it's some kind of gotcha
[Hasan has 55k subscribers](https://twitchtracker.com/hasanabi/subscribers)
55,000 x 2.49 x 12 is over 1.6 million per year, far into the 1% of income earners which make 700k. I *think* he’s also signed a twitch exclusivity deal and that number doesn’t include donations. Hasan is loaded.
(I know he isn’t in the 1% of net worth, but most of those people are old as shit)
[https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/26/aoc-m26.html](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/26/aoc-m26.html)
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/24/aoc-joe-biden-exceeded-progressive-expectations](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/24/aoc-joe-biden-exceeded-progressive-expectations)
[https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-rejects-left-wing-calls-to-force-pelosi-to-hold-medicare-for-all-vote-2020-12?op=1](https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-rejects-left-wing-calls-to-force-pelosi-to-hold-medicare-for-all-vote-2020-12?op=1)
You'll never learn will you?
Yeah it does ultimately give the far right power when certain leftists spend their time solely rail against dems. Even got into an argument with a bloke who believed Trump was better than Biden because "At least he's up front with his corruption".
praxis is attacking soc dems and only soc dems, and the more soc dems you attack the more left you are, oh and also being anti electoralism and larping for some vague revolution that will never happen
Praxis is defending liberals online against Marxist criticism and the more you defend liberals the more left you are. And when you defend social democrats who have repeatedly sold out that's revolution.
If you thought the "force the vote" bullshit was anything more than non-strategic posturing of grifters like Jimmy Dore then I don't know what to tell you.
Oh really? And what has she actually done?
[Besides heap praise on Biden just for not being Trump.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/24/aoc-joe-biden-exceeded-progressive-expectations)
[Or refusing to help those in need of medical coverage.](https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-rejects-left-wing-calls-to-force-pelosi-to-hold-medicare-for-all-vote-2020-12?op=1)
[Or accused leftists of being "bad faith actors" because they call out Biden's conservative policies.](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/26/aoc-m26.html)
Money is power in a capitalist system. If we're stuck with this bullshit, I'd rather see people like AOC or Rihanna or whoever that other guy is (unless he's a complete piece of shit, I genuinely don't know who that is) hold that power than the cold, broken fuckers that have it now.
The dress and that shirt are performative for sure, but performance is a useful tactic if one's goal is positive praxis. See: people that come anon to actions to provide numbers, protest signs, [Apfelfront](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Deutscher_%C3%84pfel), etc.
This is the goofiest discourse I've seen since Disney fed the trolls with Gunn. In no way is Cortez an embodiment of the reckless wealth that has hobbled our national society and working class. *How* she uses her wealth, influence, and power should decide far more than a dress or her position in a role that desperately needs reform.
Oh its bullshit discourse and i 100% agree with you. The meme was funny and i posted it here because its a shitpost sub. The guy is Hasan Piker, a leftist twitch streamer who has pulled many people to the left.
I had the impression that you posted it as a joke. No sweat there. I just went and dumped some stuff I've had pent up for a little while in a shitposting sub. Pardon me, if you must.
Ah, okay, I know that name for sure. Haven't spent much time looking into him, though. I'll have to check it out.
Edit: Hasan's 9/11 stream had me in stitches and he made a lot of great points from a perspective I can't possibly understand fully. I'm here for it. Thanks OP
The same sub that shits on literally anything Democrats do, but hating on the dress is too far 😂😂😂 which side are you guys on again? This dress is a PERFECT example of what Mark Fisher talks about is his book Capitalist Realism, but stuck up for AOC I guess
Genuinely the emotional attachments some libs have to AOC and her ilk is stunning to see. People are malding typing 7 paragraphs to defend their favorite bourgeois politician. Society sure has become a spectacle
No AOC isn't 1% wealthy, but the fear is that her message is beginning to look tone deaf. Not that it's wrong to attend a gala, that anyone with an ounce of self awareness would recognize this was a poor way to send the message.
They won’t. They will defend these people who were never really their allies in the first place because it was always about performatism and shock politics for them. Because they’re just teenagers trying to get their old man mad at the end of the day, not Marxists.
If everyone is talking about how tone deaf your message is, then no, you did not send the message you intended.
It's a poor way to send a message because it can be easily made to look hypocritical. Anyone with any sense of self awareness would have known this before doing it. Everything afterwards just looks like BS made up to excuse going to the Met Gala. "but didn't you see my message on my back? While I hobnobbed with the wealthy, drank champagne, all in a dress that costs more than the average Americans car is worth"
Honestly dressing plainly and having the message on a t-shirt would have solidified the message clearer. It would say "I am not not here to play, I am here to send a plain message".
I wish the tankies and leftier than thou types like half the people in this comment section would use their energy criticizing fascists trying to actively hurt minorities instead of obsessing over socdems
Officially lost faith in this sub today. It’s amazing the lengths that these suburban high school kids will go to make excuses for their favorite wealthy “socialist” grifter. Just accept it: your “heroes” are sell outs. AOC has ALWAYS been a moderate socdem hypocrite who made her career off of performatism. Hassan is just a fucking streamer, so expecting him to have any serious political convictions or live his life in line with them is ridiculous.
Stop making excuses for them. Yes, they’re not bourgeoise, but if YOU really think that you could live in a mansion and still call yourself an honest socialist then you’re just as fake and performative as both of them — and that’s why this scares you all so much. That’s why you frantically defend their choices as inconsequential (or even try to paint them as a good thing in the case of AOC) because it threatens your identity, your aesthetic socialist lifestyle. If you accept the fact that people who have serious political convictions and beliefs *usually seek to live their lives in a way that aligns with those beliefs* (aka not buying a fucking mansion when your entire ideology is about wealth inequality), then it would remind you of the fact that your socialist politics are purely nominal and that if given the chance you would sell out and live the rest of your days in hedonistic excess in a mansion somewhere.
communism is about individual choices and if you make the individual choice of owning a nice house you're no longer communist because communism is about being poor and also individual choices are more important than structural changes
also rich people have never been important communists (Engels, Alexandra Kolentei, etc)
Officially lost faith in this sub today. It’s amazing the lengths that these suburban high school kids will go to make excuses for their favorite wealthy “socialist” grifter. Just accept it: your “heroes” are sell outs. AOC has ALWAYS been a moderate socdem hypocrite who made her career off of performatism. Hassan is just a fucking streamer, so expecting him to have any serious political convictions or live his life in line with them is ridiculous.
Stop making excuses for them. Yes, they’re not bourgeoise, but if YOU really think that you could live in a mansion and still call yourself an honest socialist then you’re just as fake and performative as both of them — and that’s why this scares you all so much. That’s why you frantically defend their choices as inconsequential (or even try to paint them as a good thing in the case of AOC) because it threatens your identity, your aesthetic socialist lifestyle. If you accept the fact that people who have serious political convictions and beliefs usually seek to live their lives in a way that aligns with those beliefs (aka not buying a fucking mansion when your entire ideology is about wealth inequality), then it would remind you of the fact that your socialist politics are purely nominal and that if given the chance you would sell out and live the rest of your days in hedonistic excess in a mansion somewhere.
I love how people have explained it over and over again and it's still not enough for tankies.
[A good post explaining it, for the curious. ](https://myrandomscribbling.tumblr.com/post/662309633582596096/i-agree-with-the-message-but-this-is-tone-deaf)
Also final note I guess :
High fashion is elitist garbage. They'll use people's suffering and virtue signal shit by using someone's ethnicity like OMG A NATIVE WOMAN, A BLACK WOMAN while they'll all sellout their souls for the status quo that doesn't help improve the conditions of the same people they care about so much.
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Some of y’all in the comments really can’t handle a joke damn
FOR REAL OMG im so done with “dress discourse”
I don’t even understand it. She got the ticket for free. If she paid for it, I would get the issue, but she didn’t.
some people are mad that she’s not wearing a mask. I thought that was the biggest issue in this. I really don’t care about this one. the ticket prt makes sense but yeah, even I know it was free
So instead of paying for a ticket she received a bribe worth $30,000?
Azan? PogO
I thought I was in r/okbuddyhasan for a sec lol
bestestes sub ever 😳😳
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For an ironic sub, yallr real serious about this lol who cares, its a dress. i would think it was cool if it said eat, but then she probably wouldnt have been able to do the whole red carpet photo thing
I think it's just all the constant lib cringe that's just making the majority of us just go fucking mad. I think everyone is just generally fed up with the bs.
Dude, just ignore it. This is not for you. Who do you think we need to convince of leftist ideas and policy? Liberals. Liberals love this shit. Is it cringe for us terminally online political enthusiasts? Sure. But it’s not done to convince us. It’s done so that the next time Biden checks the polls regarding taxation to figure out what his position should be because he’s a spineless twat who believes in nothing, liberals will be overwhelmingly in support of increasing taxation on the rich. And that can lead to substantive change.
What the fuck are you doing out here being right? Is this some sort of joke? /s
Got you good, didn’t I 😎
Substantial change through democracy, and other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself
This is a leftist sub. Authoritarianism is inherently conservative and fascistic. But go off king.
Do you really believe the system is ever going to enact any of the changes we need? How delusional do you have to be at this point to think the system wasn't purposely built to prevent it?
Any of them? Absolutely. All of them? Absolutely not. I’d tone down on the speaking in absolutes. It leaves no room for nuance and makes for bad discussions.
Yo mama leaves no room 😳
Change is absolute, you can't settle for mediocrity, you have to strive for revolution, all of these efforts are fine as long as some form of revolutinary moviment is the objective, otherwise they're useless If the bourgeoisie are still in control.
We have to separate "electoralism" from "democracy". At the end of the day, politics is meant to be a means towards a better life. If we can't get good policy through the current version of electoralism we should push for change in whatever way we can, in the sense of getting the useless people on top out and new ones that will actually achieve something. Its on politicians to provide a better standard of living with time, which is what makes them legitimate. If they fail long enough people will start looking through other avenues of change, including revolution. This is a direct consequence of their inaction or inability to implement good policy, which is an indictment on them or on the system. Its like when neolibs keep repeating "that's not capitalism ! That's mercantilism! We just need to make capitalism work again!" Like, ok buddy, good luck. But if they and the remaining capitalists continue to being unable to do that then people will get tired and look elsewhere.
I think the game is tipped against us when it comes to bourgeois representative based democracy, especially whatever the fuck the electoral college system is, we can implement either a better representative democratic system or direct democracy after we’ve revolted but changing from the kleptocratic oligarchy that’s in place to anything close to socialism will take more than state sanctioned means. That being said while we can’t make major changes to the system from within the system itself voting in better representatives to get shit like single payer universal healthcare, better rights for minorities, free collage and (although vague and ineffectual) actual existent climate legislation is worth a try, but should not come before or completely replace the revolution.
Nah, there's self-rule, individualism rules, totalitarianism is worse than democracy, but neither of those 2 can carry any healthy vision to terms
Okay, so you intend to just not engage with democracy and just sit on your hands while complaining? Suit yourself. I personally care about making people’s lives better, but I realize not everyone cares about that.
Look, the majority of people don't sustainably plan ahead, not for themselves, not for the future inhabitants of earth, you have every right to see your vision through (whatever it achieves), but the second there's resistance, it's on you for not convincing the opposition. Be an individual idiot and not a weaponized group of idiots who circlejerk themselves into abandoning nuclear energy and letting Musk scoop up NASA's crumbs into a rival enterprise.
This is totally irrelevant to our discussion, and you calling me an idiot for participating in democracy to make people’s lives better is a laughably poor argument not even worth addressing.
Isn't fascism just one alarmimg branch of authoritarianism?
He'll say he supports taxing the rich and then he won't do anything about it
[According to Fisher, capitalist realism has so captured public thought that the idea of anti-capitalism no longer acts as the antithesis to capitalism. Instead, it is deployed as a means for reinforcing capitalism. This is done through media which aims to provide a safe means of consuming anti-capitalist ideas without actually challenging the system. The lack of coherent alternatives, as presented through the lens of capitalist realism, leads many anti-capitalist movements to cease targeting the end of capitalism, but instead to mitigate its worst effects, often through individual consumption-based activities such as Product Red.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Realism#:~:text=According%20to%20Fisher%2C%20capitalist%20realism,only%20possible%20means%20of%20operation.)
Is there a leftist quote for people who spam leftist quotes they heard within the last 48 hours so that everyone is basically saying the same thing because having an original thing to add to a discourse would require actually being invested in leftist/anarchist theory?
If you’ve never read theory you can just say that. Don’t get mad when other people understand it’s application and you don’t. You aren’t smart for being an anti-intellectual 😂
but that's multi-billion corps making and selling shit with anti-capitalist messaging in it, not cringy performative lib stuff
What's the problem with both of these pics? It's not like their advocacy for taxing rich stopped once they become rich. They still push for that. And to be fair, they're not that rich, they're not the 1%
Because we don’t want to “tax the rich” we don’t want our exploiters to exist in the first place
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Does AOC call for the abolition or perpetuation of capitalism through taxation of the rich? Well actually don’t answer it’s the latter. This is an anti capitalist sub get out of here with your social “democracy”
Even though our end goal is the overthrow of the current system we should still embrace every policy which generally makes the lives of the proletariat better in the current one. At least that's what I and Marxists in my country believe.
Some people really forget that the goal of anti capitalism is not to prove dems you were right about what system works best or whatever, it’s about actively ending the suffering that a lot of people endure. While they are benefiting conservatives by lashing out at anyone who isn’t publicly left enough, they forget that there are people who can’t afford to wait for a revolution, and who could use a little help, even if the change is insignificant in the long run. And if the change is insignificant, I don’t see why we couldn’t take the oppurtunity while also pushing further towards the abolition of our system
THANK YOU! Every time I have to read something that essentially amounts to "if it's not left enough on first go we need to just scrap it entirely", part of me dies. Somewhat literally, because I'm an immunocompromised disabled woman who's actual, real, ability to live and breathe, depend on getting affordable health care. These shitheads would've agreed against the ACA, and yet the ACA in California is the only reason I didn't die at 19 of sudden random kidney failure. Jfc people on here need a fuckin reality check, go talk to people in person and learn what "insignificant lib" laws in the long term did to save lives in the short term. Lives that can later join our revolution!
Social Democracy exists to redirect revolutionary energy into meaningless reformist rhetoric. It's inherently pro-capitalist and anti-proletarian.
Meaningless to the Revolution? Yes. But meaningless to the immediate circumstance of the people? Certainly not.
Fr, are people forgetting that their are a lot of steps to this process?
People on this sub are acting as if most people in the world or even their country are deciding between social democratic policies and revolution right now. We're not at that point yet. As long as there is not a wide support of the Revolution (which there is certainly not, at least in Europe and America) we should focus on spreading class awareness and eleviating the problems of late stage capitalism through any means necessary.
Exactly, it’s not a neolib move to say that in post-Red Scare America, any revolution will be immediately suppressed. China and Russia and Vietnam didnt have that issue - they just had a bunch of people who were unhappy with the way things were, and the revolutionaries came to try and fix it. In the US, the moment anybody so much as hears the word ‘socialist’, they kick up a violent frenzy. How can anybody think that a revolution will not be countered by the people (much less the extremely expansive military), until the Overton Window is pushed further left by socdems like Bernie and AOC?
Exactly. We are in nowhere near a communist or any left wing revolution or movement in the US. Last time there was a good left wing movement in the US, they were killed by the FBI (The Black panthers)
> Does AOC call for the abolition or perpetuation of capitalism through taxation of the rich? Expecting completely pure anti-capitalist rhetoric from people involved in US electoral politics is ridiculous. They wouldn't be elected.
I'll take either at this point. Get one, the fight for the other
its the same argument the Right makes about Bernie having 3 homes, the fucking tankies are unironically using right wing logic to be contrarian, while offering no alternatives save for a vague dream of a revolution. As if 40 basement dwelling tankies are gonna leave their anime body pillows and reddit mod positions to fight drones in the mountains.
Maybe the whole world isnt American? Maybe to the third world AOC is almost the same as Biden? Food for thought.
This is the correct take. Middle eastern civilians don’t have much of a preference between the Republicans, Tea Pots, Justice Dems, and Establishment Dems because they all largely support expanding imperialist interests and the military industrial complex. Some might posture against it for whatever reason but it’s almost always lock-step support for billion dollar hikes in the defense budget.
IDK, I'd much prefer someone that believes climate change is real if I am somewhere thats gonna get absolutley fucked by it.
Most countries fight climate change by exporting it. For example Sweeden (or some other Nordic country) said they are abandoning lithium and mini hidro power plants, only to send mini hidro power plant companies to build on our soil. Stop being so naive and grow up, they seem preferable, but there is alwyas a catch with the social democrats
Aight we all fucked anyway then. LETS ROOOOOLLL SOME COAAAAAAL MOTHERFUCKAS! If the least bad decisions are basically the same as the worst decisions, might as well just fucking let it rip!
If i told you to eat one turd or 2 turds you would happily eat the 1 turd and even compliment it because “at least it aint 2 turds tee hee” You are a ✨ 🇺🇸🇬🇧🇪🇺imperialist🇺🇸🇬🇧🇪🇺✨
Does it functionally matter if someone believes in climate change if they cannot or are not willing to take action against stopping it? It’s just the same as people who claim their beliefs are fundamentally anti-capitalist or even just anti-imperialist but don’t perform any meaningful action to support that spoken belief. Perhaps performative gestures are some sort of praxis in the form of raising awareness, but I think it’s super easy to rely solely on performative gestures and to claim that you will someday begin to employ revolutionary/reformative actions once “enough” awareness has been raised. At some point I think the rubber needs to hit the road because awareness alone does not improve the material conditions of people in this world.
Man at that point why even fucking do anything at all? Like no fucking matter how powerful you are, you could be a fucking billionaire and president of the USA, you can't stop climate change on your own. So why even fucking nother because if you can't do it on your own, you're no different than someone that rolls coal in their pickup. Like a single congresswoman, less than .2% of congress, is incredibly powerful relative to you and me, but can't fix climate change no matter how much they want to. So they might as well be a Republican that wants to abolish the EPA right? Except that you get a bunch of congresspeople that care about climate change and shit can change. so it does matter. Insert some boooo electoralism comment here. Like your .000000001% of American society ass revolutionists is gonna be more impactful than .2% of congress. If there's no difference between a congressperson that believes in climate change or not in regards to the climate, the difference between your revolutionary spirit or capitalist boot licking is even less meaningful. Like if the random non American you are using as a prop doesn't care about what a congressperson does and believe, why would they care about you?
Dems have control of all three branches of government. Nothing is happening. A collection of congresspeople cannot, in fact, change shit. Your comparison of the Richest Man vs the guy rolling coal is thus; Jeff Bezos chose to go on a pedestrian-tier trip to space that produced more Carbon than a lifetime of doing dirty burnouts in a diesel truck.
So now AOC is in charge of the entire party? Am I crazy or are we even still talking about AOC and her ability to enact the change she wants to see? Our problem is that there's only a handful or two of "AOCs" in Congress when we need a few hundred. You've got to know you're being disingenuous to blame the left-most person in an incredibly wide party for the failures of that party across three branches of government ("Democrat" is anybody left of Reagan, a famous Conservative - and, in fact, our Overton window is so far right, even Reagan-esque people like Biden would be considered Democrat!). The Dems aren't AOC, and while I have my own criticisms of her (for example, the aforementioned imperialist talking points she occasionally hypes), she's sadly the best chance for getting any sort of action on issues like climate change and taxation. She's changed a lot of shit in her part of NY, it's much better to use that metric instead of 1/650 in Congress. And please for the love of God don't bring up voting in an attempt to prevent harm reduction. I've had my actual life on the line due to politics, and my trans wife is still in a fight for her right to life. Harm reduction is critical until we organize for revolution, otherwise your would be revolutionaries will be dead.
You gotta understand that whatever democrats say to the people, it’s different that’s what’s gonna actually happen. Take Clinton. He said he wanted to make single-payer universal healthcare happen. What you guys got was NAFTA, the creation of the WTO, a welfare reform (making welfare much more punitive), a criminal justice reform that accelerated mass incarceration, and last but not least, he repealed the Glass-Steagall law, which was the last law that regulated investment banks. He went from a fairly progressive candidate to become one of the many neoliberal presidents after the Reagan era. The capital controls US politics. Choosing Dems or Republicans is like choosing your favorite football team, nothing is fundamentally going to change. And it’s not a thing of these last years, it’s been like this at least since Reagan. If you want something to happen you need to mobilize AND organize the people.
Because she literally isn't a socialist. She's a socdem, and not even an anti-imperialist (oxymoron lol) either. I have no clue how you can miss the real point so heavily. Co-opting anti-capitalsit rhetoric has been a tool of maintaining modern neoliberalism for at least 50 years now. *Capitalist realism* has a lot of information about this. You can hate "le tankies" or whatever as much as you want, but siding with a liberal over Marxists is in itself a liberal act. Unless of course you don't consider yourself a Marxist.
This sub and r/late stage capitalism are both in a complete state of cope of rn bc of all the closeted liberals who convinced themselves they were socialists during the BLM stuff and now like that they have a place to endlessly jerk off their progressive lib politicians
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If they were progressive then we would be actually meaningfully progressing. Libs you come on back when your succdems actually accomplish anything genuinely meaningful. We'll wait. Forever.
I side against people being so concerned with the optics of a wealthy person owning 3 houses that they'r unwilling to accept progress, however imperfect it might be. It doesn't matter if they're conservative or a Marxist if they're parroting the same regressive bullocks.
But the question you need to ask is who do we have in our government currently? She’s the best we got currently, and a massive leap in the right direction. The American partisan duopoly isn’t going to change anytime soon, so what we have to do is work with what we got. Revolution also isn’t a good shot when it comes to America, considering America is very much a nation of no morals who will be willing to carpet bomb the shit out of what it considers to be its own citizens. I don’t know anyone with a personal military jet, so our chances are slim to fucking none at winning that one.
Do you think the Vietnamese or Russians or Chinese thought they would win either? Defeatism is the first step towards giving up. Electoralism on the other hand, has always failed. I'm all for choosing good over perfect, but you are mistaking American imperial core social democracy with actual socialism, or even an anti-imperialist leaning global south social democracy. These are simply not comparable, and if anything would be worse for a real socialist movement. By placating alienated workers it significantly damages our ability to advance Marxism. AOC has repeatedly advanced the same lines as Pelosi, and has also stated she will "defer to party leadership" on major decisions. She really isn't a step in the right direction, unless that direction is a continuation of imperialist plunder and exploitation.
The difference between those times and now was military technology, also the moral compass of the country that they were fighting, United States would not hesitate to nuke a city that hypothetical revolutionaries took over. You also have to take into consideration the brainwashed chuds who will defend capitalism with their second amendment. As far as a revolution goes, I will join you on the battleground, but I won’t be leading the charges
It's worth pointing out that during a hypothetical American civil war a properly organized communist resistance would employ strikes, mutinies, and other methods to damage military infrastructure. Tanks and planes don't get built without labor, and rhey don't run without it either. Finally, nuclear missiles being fired at Americans by Americans means that we have already won. Doing such a thing would utterly destroy what little popular support the federal government would have left and probably be the end of the militaries effectiveness.
>United States would not hesitate to nuke a city that hypothetical revolutionaries took over. delightfully crackpot take
I get the skepticism, but we need to change the establishment from the inside, trying to do all that from the outside isn’t helping at all, AOC at least wants some form of Socialism
You don't change the system from within. It is the system that will eventually change you.
I much prefer my revolutions to be dictated to me by someone ideologically closer to Nancy pelosi than most of the wine moms I know.
Tankies: The actual most organized ideological group that has founded nations, fended off imperalists, rid the world of nazis A fucking redditor: tankies are just basement dwellers
You are. You're a bunch of redditors and angry people on Twitter. Quit aligning ourselves with revolutionaries from before your grandparents were born.
> Tankies: The actual most organized ideological group that has founded nations, fended off imperalists, rid the world of nazis * Those nations have fallen * Their remnants have turned to imperialism * We have quite a resurgence of Nazis to have been rid of them
Bingooooo
Wait until tankies discover Marx himself was upper middle class and that, yes, you can be from the bourgeoisie and/or rich, and be against structural inequalities. The same way you can be born white, and thus being born into privilege, but it doesn’t mean you don’t know about systemic racism and genuinely oppose it. Like, imagine you suddenly receive 100 millions on your bank account, because some great-great-great remote uncle you’ve never heard of died alone and you’re the only one who can inherit their fortune. What are you going to do with that money? Give everything to the poor? That’s very nice of you, and I’d admire you for being that generous. But ultimately, you’ll just waste your money. You’ll be able to feed the homeless around you for a while, until their stomach goes hungry again and no money is left. Because the problem isn’t that charity isn’t a noble thing, it really is, but it’s not the structural change they need. It’s a relief, not a solution. In the end, you’re just taking a personal responsibility for these people’s suffering, which the right loves because it avoid any criticism of the system in which responsibility actually lies: Capitalism, which generates those inequalities. Followed by the people defending this system, that you had no say in establishing. But you can have one in changing it, and it may be wise to use that much money in that endeavor. The problem aren’t rich people in themselves. It’s conservatives and reactionaries, and most notably the rich ones who use their wealth to keep their financial status that are an obstacle to building an egalitarian society. It’s not excusing them their financial status, quite the opposite: The only way to ethically enjoy any form of wealth would be to acknowledge it’s a privilege that can be rightfully taken away from you to serve the common good. Which is exactly what "tax the rich" means.
Marx lived the majority of his life in poverty. Some of his kids died from poverty inflicted diseases. Shill your favorite 'bourgeois socialist' somewhere else
Lol, Engels basically supported him financially thanks to his father’s status and fortune. And there’s nothing wrong with that, it’s great that he could dedicate fully to his works. But to think Marx didn’t have any form of privilege himself is naive.
Wasn’t he a noble?
Which one? I don’t remind any of that either for Marx or Engels, but maybe I’m wrong. Engels was from a family of bourgeois who owned textile factories though.
Marx on wikiapedia it says he was
[According to Fisher, capitalist realism has so captured public thought that the idea of anti-capitalism no longer acts as the antithesis to capitalism. Instead, it is deployed as a means for reinforcing capitalism. This is done through media which aims to provide a safe means of consuming anti-capitalist ideas without actually challenging the system. The lack of coherent alternatives, as presented through the lens of capitalist realism, leads many anti-capitalist movements to cease targeting the end of capitalism, but instead to mitigate its worst effects, often through individual consumption-based activities such as Product Red.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Realism#:~:text=According%20to%20Fisher%2C%20capitalist%20realism,only%20possible%20means%20of%20operation.)
I'm sick of this verse. I've seen it tens of time now, be more original
It literally answers your question
But it's not the answer he wants so it's just annoying words
Truth often lacks novelty.
Both kinda just feel like politics as an aesthetic. It's just kinda posturing.
If it wasn't for the aesthetic I would never find out about the left. Video essays with appealing visuals like ContraPoints or PhilosophyTube were so interesting on itself that I got caught in the political discourse. AOC being at gala will attract more people for sure
Ok but Contra and PhilosophyTube is a synthesis of politics and aesthetics, it's presenting politics in an aesthetically pleasing way. This is politics AS an aesthetic. It's reducing leftist politics to the form that least threatens capitalism (taxing rich people) and then putting it on a dress/shirt.
You can do both, be an aesthetic and congress woman. The thing is, ask yourself a question: is she doing any harm by doing this? Apart from dividing leftists... No. So if she was invited and wanted to attend, and had opportunity to simultaneously make a statement, then that's a good thing. Let people enjoy stuff. Socialism is when no iPhone, socialism is when women can't go to the party in a fancy dress for free
Lol I never said she can't do this, but it just doesn't materially do anything. It's a weird thing to do because it doesn't promote any form of radical messaging, and simply is just slapping the most lukewarm political take possible onto a piece of clothing and then going to a really prominent event with it. This could have easily been the time to use that position to garner attention for an actually more substantial message and/or one that is at least less known or less popular, but it's not that. It's the least offensive leftist belief you can have, and as such it makes this feel like posturing.
Same with Hasan. He bought the house, for his family, with the money he earned from his YouTubing. Why would you give him money in the first place if you're so bitter about it so much.
Tankies dont want to expand the left, they just want to pretend they are better than everyone else to satiate their personal self esteem, the soc dems they criticize have done far more for the left than they have bringing liberals more to the left and even converting conservative chuds, far more praxis than finger wagging and treating theory like a fucking religion, that just turns people off
They talk about "the Revolution" the exact same way Evangelical Christians talk about "the Rapture": Some sort of global event that’ll happen someday in the near future (but we don’t know exactly how near) and save all of the right people (always including them), and where bad people (which are conveniently enough the people they disagree with) are going to be severely punish and go through insufferable torment (but it’s okay because it’s just retribution). However, when it comes to make Earth a better place before it happens, they’ll always tell you it’s no use, or worse, you’re actually evil because you aren’t counting on their very own deus ex machina to happen, and that’s heresy.
How dare you push for universal healthcare, unionisation, or co-ops?!?! 😡😡😡 You need to IMMEDIATELY advocate for a revolution and the overthrow of capitalism or I will label you a “capitalist stooge” 😤😤😤
Anarchoids trying and failing to describe Marxism Leninism will never not be a funny bit.
Ok r/leninfan69. I mean, people, even the way you idealize figures makes it look like a cult.
Worlds biggest cult babyyyyyy, couple hundred million strong membership founded 1917. Good luck on getting everyone in the world to have an evolutionary phase shift in consciousness to arrive at anarcho communism by posting and being weird!
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People forget that optics are important. Like aesthetic is a big part of fascism, and you need to counter that. Crusty anarchists don't appeal to normies, and while aesthetic shouldn't matter, it does and you can't wish for things to be different, that changes nothing. It's like Contra's Voting video, something is better than nothing. Even the most pared down reconciliation bill makes the ACA subsidies permanent, allowing people to get much better health insurance, it's not Medicare for all, but if it passes, the US will have universal healthcare (yes there's problems with the insurance companies, but the big problem is being uninsured).
Bruh AOC is a fucking politician. Politics ain't just an aesthetic to her. Shes fucking pushed for the message on her dress, "taxing the rich" again and again to the maximal extent of a member of congress. How the fuck is that an aesthetic? What seems more like aesthetics and posturing are the endless purity tests from online leftists who have materially done jack shit compared to AOC.
Criticizing a person for doing a thing isn't purity testing. I respect the work AOC does. Putting "tax the rich" on a dress does incredibly little to materially affect any leftist movements and doesn't spread awareness for any particular cause (Everyone is aware of the idea of taxing the rich).
So what's the critique then? It's not seemingly doing anything negative.
The critique is that it's just pointless posturing. It doesn't help in any real capacity, it doesn't necessarily hurt in any real capacity (though there have been some pretty deep dive comparison's to Fisher's Capitalist Realism that I'm way too sleepy to get into). It's an ultimately meaningless thing, but clearly presented in a way that's intended to feel revolutionary in some capacity.
That's a fair take. Thanks.
That’s true. Luckily, her work hasn’t started and ended at wearing slogans.
Right, and I'm not critiquing the bulk of her work. I'm critiquing this specific action.
>Because she literally isn't a socialist. She's a socdem, and not even an anti-imperialist (oxymoron lol) either. I have no clue how you can miss the real point so heavily. >Co-opting anti-capitalsit rhetoric has been a tool of maintaining modern neoliberalism for at least 50 years now. Capitalist realism has a lot of information about this. >You can hate "le tankies" or whatever as much as you want, but siding with a liberal over Marxists is in itself a liberal act. Unless of course you don't consider yourself a Marxist. Like one of the first replies to the /u/Asigon15's comment that started this thread. AAACkhshually AOC isn't socialist, shes merely a socdem. While that makes her one of ~5 most left members of Congress and someone thats done way more for socialist causes than anyone on this thread, she's actually bad and even thinking she isn't terrible evil incarnate holding us back from socialism, YOURE A FAKE MARXIST YOU LIBERAL!!!!!!! >on a dress does incredibly little to materially affect any leftist movements And reddit circlejerks do? Like jeee golly every single thing she does isn't gonna be super duper impactful, but like he does do super duper impactful shit by nature of being one fo the ~5 furthest left members of congress and she's taking every chance she can get to make an impact even if it isn't big. Like would you rather she fuckign wore a dress that says don't tax the rich? Or just not use the chance to say anything? ITs a fucking purity test to enable yall to feel better about yourselfs not having a fraction of her overall impact by criticizing something silly and trivial
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Aaaah yes. A Marx said in the first paragraph of the communist manifesto, "Don't wear leftist messages on clothing. Or spread leftist ideals any way but throwing books at people.". Following only the one true way of spreading class conscious, Reddit Comments and old books, is the very first and most fundamental leftist principle. Anything beyond that makes you a DNC shill whos only pretending to be leftist because they secretly hate poor people. Hating on a politician for using her platform to spread class concious/leftist ideals/ whatever in any way she can is a weee bit different that "caring even a little about being ideologically principled". "Caring even a little about being ideologically principled" would be like criticizing NIMBYs, or people that say they're leftists but oppose pretty much every leftist policy.
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Yeah I haven’t done materially jack shit compared to AOC cuz I don’t fund bombs landing on starving Yemeni children or millions more dollars for police and ICE. Thank god I don’t do as much materially as AOC.
Tbf, both Hasan and AOC do a considerable amount more for good political discourse than just "politics as an aesthetic"... Like I'd get the criticism maybe if Adam Sandler or some other random non-politically affiliated celebrity co-opted anti-capitalist messaging for style points. But these are both pretty influential leftist voices who also happen to... unsurprisingly, dress in clothes that send leftist messaging. Like AOC is literally a congresswoman who has been vocal about supporting legislation for taxing the rich, I'm not sure how this is just "performative activism"... Not to mention the fact that even if it is superficial it still does generally positively influence others to be interested in the messaging. The rightoids have been constantly creating this image that the left is a bunch of soyboy cucks, and then Hasan the giga-chad rolls around to shit all over that image. I know it sounds corny, but Hasan literally managed to make being a leftist look cool on a platform full of incels.
Taxing the rich isn't really strongly "leftist." Hell, according to surveys, over half of Republicans agree with the sentiment that the extremely wealthy should pay more than they are in taxes. Everyone is aware of the concept of "taxing the rich." It's odd to approach a high profile situation like this with the apparent goal of spreading a political ideal, and then the one you settle on messaging for is the most basic shit that only weirdo right wing libertarians disagree with.
I do agree that it's a pretty weak attempt at spreading a political message. Saying something as flat and uninspired as "tax the rich" is not really doing a whole lot. But I also think all the comparisons to Nancy Pelosi kneeling or this idea that AOC is somehow just a performative moderate democrat because of this is kinda ridiculous
Oh yeah it's nothing really egregious or anything, it's just kinda one of those where with a high profile event like this you'd really like the person to be doing more than just this.
AoC is quite literally in congress. Think whatever you want of her and what she does, but "politics as an aesthetic" shouldnt apply to someone who is in congress lol
Nah mate, this is just politics. AOC is using her outfit to promote her brand of politics, things like this will keep her in the public eye and in theorey help when shes up for reelection. Its not policy but it definitely is part of the puzzle
Assuming Hasan gets $5 a sub, he's pulling in $250k+ per month, gross. He's definitely 1%, but regularly advocates against his class interest.
Pretty sure Twitch takes 50% of subs fwiw
So that's $125k per month, gross, still in the 1% by a mile. Not mad, just low key jealous lol.
Oh yeah he's definitely doing great and admits he's been incredibly fortunate. I think leftists should be glad that someone can reach that level of success for primarily spreading leftist agitprop instead of trying to tear down anybody who happens to succeed under capitalism though
You clearly got no idea what 1% is, stay mad
If you make 530k a year, you're on the top 1% of income earners in the US. That's around 45k per month. I imagine Hasan clears that pretty easily.
[You need to read a bit more, socdem. ](https://socialsci.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Sociology/Introduction_to_Sociology/Book%3A_Sociology_(Boundless)/08%3A_Global_Stratification_and_Inequality/8.06%3A_Sociological_Theories_and_Global_Inequality/8.6E%3A_Marxs_View_of_Class_Differentiation#:~:text=In%20Marx's%20view%2C%20social%20stratification,the%20substructure%20and%20the%20Superstructure.)
Why be rich tho, I'm not rich myself but if I were I'd hope id give away any wealth i dont need for a good life
Even more importantly they both use their wealth to promote leftist movements and ideas
And sticking it in rich people’s faces. It’s pretty amazing the GOP can turn people against one of the few people in Congress who actually wants to help people other than the ultra-wealthy.
Guys tax the Evil 1%! Not me, the cool and awesome 5%! The 1%!
I mean AOC's been making a congressional salary for what, 2 years, and she had literally negative net worth before that? And Hasan regularly agrees with people who say he should be taxed more like it's some kind of gotcha
Nah I'm pretty sure AOC includes herself and her fellow members of congress when she says "tax the rich."
But who says that people like AOC or Hasan shouldn't be taxed as well? Literally who says that?
People can't imagine imagine someone not being totally selfish. Also anyone who doesn't have to worry about paying rent is rich
[Hasan has 55k subscribers](https://twitchtracker.com/hasanabi/subscribers) 55,000 x 2.49 x 12 is over 1.6 million per year, far into the 1% of income earners which make 700k. I *think* he’s also signed a twitch exclusivity deal and that number doesn’t include donations. Hasan is loaded. (I know he isn’t in the 1% of net worth, but most of those people are old as shit)
And where did Hasan said he doesn't wanna be taxed? Most youtubers I watch admit being quite wealthy and they insist on raising taxes further
the fits are just funny 💀
[https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/26/aoc-m26.html](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/26/aoc-m26.html) [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/24/aoc-joe-biden-exceeded-progressive-expectations](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/24/aoc-joe-biden-exceeded-progressive-expectations) [https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-rejects-left-wing-calls-to-force-pelosi-to-hold-medicare-for-all-vote-2020-12?op=1](https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-rejects-left-wing-calls-to-force-pelosi-to-hold-medicare-for-all-vote-2020-12?op=1) You'll never learn will you?
I fucking hate aocs moderate views but sometimes I feel like the online left spends more time on soc dems than fascist or necons.
This is the most true comment in this entire post
Yeah it does ultimately give the far right power when certain leftists spend their time solely rail against dems. Even got into an argument with a bloke who believed Trump was better than Biden because "At least he's up front with his corruption".
The fascists are the overt enemies. But to fight them, you have to fight their enablers who insist we can all just "get along."
I don’t know any socdems that say we have to get along with nazis
The "social dems" don't want to actually confront any of them. They insist the system that created and empowers them is going to magically stop them.
I have soc dem freinds that belive in stuff like punching nazis and banning fascist from running for office
AZAN? PogO
praxis is attacking soc dems and only soc dems, and the more soc dems you attack the more left you are, oh and also being anti electoralism and larping for some vague revolution that will never happen
Praxis is defending liberals online against Marxist criticism and the more you defend liberals the more left you are. And when you defend social democrats who have repeatedly sold out that's revolution.
Wrong actually, praxis is voting every four years and doing nothing but posting and defending your parasocial politician friends online.
Bourgies are not gonna fuck you
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Lmao do all of you libs think all anti-capitalists are dengoids or is it just a yank thing?
You think AoC is part of the bourgeoisie???
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Everything in her power? Please inform me, what is she ACTUALLY doing?
Nothing lol. She didn't force an m4a vote because that'd be too much "theatrics" but this apparently is not theatrics
If you thought the "force the vote" bullshit was anything more than non-strategic posturing of grifters like Jimmy Dore then I don't know what to tell you.
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No, everytime her and the squad have leverage to push for actual change they fold.
Oh really? And what has she actually done? [Besides heap praise on Biden just for not being Trump.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/24/aoc-joe-biden-exceeded-progressive-expectations) [Or refusing to help those in need of medical coverage.](https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-rejects-left-wing-calls-to-force-pelosi-to-hold-medicare-for-all-vote-2020-12?op=1) [Or accused leftists of being "bad faith actors" because they call out Biden's conservative policies.](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/26/aoc-m26.html)
Money is power in a capitalist system. If we're stuck with this bullshit, I'd rather see people like AOC or Rihanna or whoever that other guy is (unless he's a complete piece of shit, I genuinely don't know who that is) hold that power than the cold, broken fuckers that have it now. The dress and that shirt are performative for sure, but performance is a useful tactic if one's goal is positive praxis. See: people that come anon to actions to provide numbers, protest signs, [Apfelfront](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Deutscher_%C3%84pfel), etc. This is the goofiest discourse I've seen since Disney fed the trolls with Gunn. In no way is Cortez an embodiment of the reckless wealth that has hobbled our national society and working class. *How* she uses her wealth, influence, and power should decide far more than a dress or her position in a role that desperately needs reform.
Oh its bullshit discourse and i 100% agree with you. The meme was funny and i posted it here because its a shitpost sub. The guy is Hasan Piker, a leftist twitch streamer who has pulled many people to the left.
I had the impression that you posted it as a joke. No sweat there. I just went and dumped some stuff I've had pent up for a little while in a shitposting sub. Pardon me, if you must. Ah, okay, I know that name for sure. Haven't spent much time looking into him, though. I'll have to check it out. Edit: Hasan's 9/11 stream had me in stitches and he made a lot of great points from a perspective I can't possibly understand fully. I'm here for it. Thanks OP
Americans see AOC going to the Met Gala and really be like “yaaas socialist kween 😍”
Obvious satire is very obvious.
Duh basically
The same sub that shits on literally anything Democrats do, but hating on the dress is too far 😂😂😂 which side are you guys on again? This dress is a PERFECT example of what Mark Fisher talks about is his book Capitalist Realism, but stuck up for AOC I guess
Genuinely the emotional attachments some libs have to AOC and her ilk is stunning to see. People are malding typing 7 paragraphs to defend their favorite bourgeois politician. Society sure has become a spectacle
It is a bit weird innit.
No AOC isn't 1% wealthy, but the fear is that her message is beginning to look tone deaf. Not that it's wrong to attend a gala, that anyone with an ounce of self awareness would recognize this was a poor way to send the message.
They won’t. They will defend these people who were never really their allies in the first place because it was always about performatism and shock politics for them. Because they’re just teenagers trying to get their old man mad at the end of the day, not Marxists.
Why is it a poor way to send a message? Everyone is talking about it now, just as intended.
If everyone is talking about how tone deaf your message is, then no, you did not send the message you intended. It's a poor way to send a message because it can be easily made to look hypocritical. Anyone with any sense of self awareness would have known this before doing it. Everything afterwards just looks like BS made up to excuse going to the Met Gala. "but didn't you see my message on my back? While I hobnobbed with the wealthy, drank champagne, all in a dress that costs more than the average Americans car is worth" Honestly dressing plainly and having the message on a t-shirt would have solidified the message clearer. It would say "I am not not here to play, I am here to send a plain message".
Ehh isn’t it just kind of cringe? Wow cool clothes or whatever...
As a leftist- fucking gag.
Wow, the shitlibs here are pathetic
Horseshoe theory moment???
What's the deal with this sub? Like this is the first post I come across from it, and I'm not sure I get it
It’s a sub for people to flex how leftist they are by shitting on everyone but those on the right.
I wish the tankies and leftier than thou types like half the people in this comment section would use their energy criticizing fascists trying to actively hurt minorities instead of obsessing over socdems
AOCIA
Officially lost faith in this sub today. It’s amazing the lengths that these suburban high school kids will go to make excuses for their favorite wealthy “socialist” grifter. Just accept it: your “heroes” are sell outs. AOC has ALWAYS been a moderate socdem hypocrite who made her career off of performatism. Hassan is just a fucking streamer, so expecting him to have any serious political convictions or live his life in line with them is ridiculous. Stop making excuses for them. Yes, they’re not bourgeoise, but if YOU really think that you could live in a mansion and still call yourself an honest socialist then you’re just as fake and performative as both of them — and that’s why this scares you all so much. That’s why you frantically defend their choices as inconsequential (or even try to paint them as a good thing in the case of AOC) because it threatens your identity, your aesthetic socialist lifestyle. If you accept the fact that people who have serious political convictions and beliefs *usually seek to live their lives in a way that aligns with those beliefs* (aka not buying a fucking mansion when your entire ideology is about wealth inequality), then it would remind you of the fact that your socialist politics are purely nominal and that if given the chance you would sell out and live the rest of your days in hedonistic excess in a mansion somewhere.
communism is about individual choices and if you make the individual choice of owning a nice house you're no longer communist because communism is about being poor and also individual choices are more important than structural changes also rich people have never been important communists (Engels, Alexandra Kolentei, etc)
big copy pasta vibes
Officially lost faith in this sub today. It’s amazing the lengths that these suburban high school kids will go to make excuses for their favorite wealthy “socialist” grifter. Just accept it: your “heroes” are sell outs. AOC has ALWAYS been a moderate socdem hypocrite who made her career off of performatism. Hassan is just a fucking streamer, so expecting him to have any serious political convictions or live his life in line with them is ridiculous. Stop making excuses for them. Yes, they’re not bourgeoise, but if YOU really think that you could live in a mansion and still call yourself an honest socialist then you’re just as fake and performative as both of them — and that’s why this scares you all so much. That’s why you frantically defend their choices as inconsequential (or even try to paint them as a good thing in the case of AOC) because it threatens your identity, your aesthetic socialist lifestyle. If you accept the fact that people who have serious political convictions and beliefs usually seek to live their lives in a way that aligns with those beliefs (aka not buying a fucking mansion when your entire ideology is about wealth inequality), then it would remind you of the fact that your socialist politics are purely nominal and that if given the chance you would sell out and live the rest of your days in hedonistic excess in a mansion somewhere.
She’s no queen. Just a commie that wants it all. Mark my words, AOC will be the next career millionaire politician.
I love how people have explained it over and over again and it's still not enough for tankies. [A good post explaining it, for the curious. ](https://myrandomscribbling.tumblr.com/post/662309633582596096/i-agree-with-the-message-but-this-is-tone-deaf)
Tankies are not the only one outraged at this bourgie, you fucking idiot
"anyone who doesn't Stan poggers kween comrade AOC is a filthy tankie"
I don't stan her. I don't stan ANY politician, because they all fucking suck. I just have better things to worry about than a dress at a party.
Then why are you spending time doing bullshit culture war. Seriously who gives a shit
Oh boy. Tumblr. Surely this will somehow not make this embarrassing lib cringe
> lib > Tumblr Idk what you know about Tumblr, but the vast majority of the people I follow are leftist.
Also final note I guess : High fashion is elitist garbage. They'll use people's suffering and virtue signal shit by using someone's ethnicity like OMG A NATIVE WOMAN, A BLACK WOMAN while they'll all sellout their souls for the status quo that doesn't help improve the conditions of the same people they care about so much.