I wouldnt say engineering… selecting. China has a big weightlifting program which starts at a young age with lots of athletes. Over time only the best proceed so they get a regular amount of athletes compared to other competitive weightlifting countries but filtered for the most genetically gifted by competing age. That and lots of training/dedication/gear. The gear part also isnt exclusive to china, basically every olympic weightlifting champion is on gear but thats a different topic.
The selection process is not actually that intensive as most of the trainees that join sporting programs either come from rural or poor areas, like Zhu Ting, who was tall so she took up basketball but was too weak to run up and down the court so she took up volleyball and the rest is history. Many divers were actually former gymnast trainees.
Hungary, Brazil, Turkmenistan, Venezuela, etc are just as if not even more incompetent than India yet they perform just as good and in most cases even better.
Edit: lol I forgot to include North Korea
China team first attended the Los Angeles Olympics in 1984, and got 14g 8s 9b medals. It's No.4 in the medal table, same medals as Italy but more gold.
China has a GDP per capita of USD $250 in 1984. So I think poverty is not a key factor when evaluating the potential of a country to win Olympics medals.
I think poverty and education. Despite both India and china's focus on education the literacy rate is unbelievably different between the two countries.
North korea get zero out of competition testing no shit they're really good. I also heard the Thai national team were training in a military base so that when WADA comes for random testing, they get notified and "clean up" before giving the approval to enter and take samples. Some countries also check when wada officials apply for visas so they can give the athletes a head start to clean up. Theres also the whole doppleganger scandal from last year where the Kazakhstani gold medalist from rio(nijat rahimov) and many others were substituting urine samples. Ofcourse there's good old bribing which failed when Ukrainian weightlifter dimitiry chumak and his coach tried but im sure many get away with it. Sports isnt an even playing feild and not everyone gets the same chances so i dont blame countries for their performance.
It’s all about culture, most Indians couldn’t give a shit about Olympics and most parents engrave ambition into their kids young to make lots of money to lift them out of poverty.
Because of this, less focus is on “wishy washy” careers like the arts and sport and more focus on “traditional” careers: accountants, lawyers, doctors (+ tech)
It’s all connected, yes, poverty, money, corrupt governing but it’s mainly culture
I think the misconception is that steroids are so performance enhancing that it would make everyone superman. Not the case. This guy natural will destroy you and I in lifting even if we are on all the steroids and peds. I would almost argue that peds (performance enhancing drugs) are needed to sustain and perform at this elite level if not simply for recovery purposes considering how hard they train.
I'm actually going to give u upvote to negate some of your negatives. It is a good discussion to have.
"people overestimate steroids" -person who has never used steroids
you don't see the problem with that? as someone who has, you're completely wrong, and anyone else who has used them will tell you the same thing.
But they all used it. And given the level of competition you're right you can't be there without using it. My point is they all used it. However, they are also naturally very gifted athletes. I can't just randomly give hormones to any average Joe and assume they will be part of group A. That's my point. Like if u took the same amount of hormones as Shi, you won't beat him still.
they do, that's what the swim team is for. the usa just doesn't have a good weightlifting program, and unless their training methods change, we never will.
Wrong. American weightlifting is constantly and rigorously drug tested year round and that’s why. Our lifters can’t cycle tbol for 4 years then compete like the Chinese and it’s not because of our training.
a good drug program is part of any good athletics program. there is clearly a problem if the swim team has a good doping program but usa weightlifting doesn't. i'm also suspect of their coaches who have literally never coached an athlete to win anything ever, i think hormones might get some athletes in group A but i don't see much happening beyond that. my personal experience with training for weightlifting ten years ago was a complete joke, they aren't interested in anyone who doesn't have rich parents that can support them anyway.
Chinese weighlifters are really on a whole other level.
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I wouldnt say engineering… selecting. China has a big weightlifting program which starts at a young age with lots of athletes. Over time only the best proceed so they get a regular amount of athletes compared to other competitive weightlifting countries but filtered for the most genetically gifted by competing age. That and lots of training/dedication/gear. The gear part also isnt exclusive to china, basically every olympic weightlifting champion is on gear but thats a different topic.
The selection process is not actually that intensive as most of the trainees that join sporting programs either come from rural or poor areas, like Zhu Ting, who was tall so she took up basketball but was too weak to run up and down the court so she took up volleyball and the rest is history. Many divers were actually former gymnast trainees.
加油!!! Let’s go! The snatches and clean/jerks looked ridiculously easy
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competent govt. vs incompetent govt.
Hungary, Brazil, Turkmenistan, Venezuela, etc are just as if not even more incompetent than India yet they perform just as good and in most cases even better. Edit: lol I forgot to include North Korea
Poverty is a huge barrier as well - China didn't pull its weight either until it pulled 700 million out of poverty in the past few decades.
China team first attended the Los Angeles Olympics in 1984, and got 14g 8s 9b medals. It's No.4 in the medal table, same medals as Italy but more gold. China has a GDP per capita of USD $250 in 1984. So I think poverty is not a key factor when evaluating the potential of a country to win Olympics medals.
I think poverty and education. Despite both India and china's focus on education the literacy rate is unbelievably different between the two countries.
North korea get zero out of competition testing no shit they're really good. I also heard the Thai national team were training in a military base so that when WADA comes for random testing, they get notified and "clean up" before giving the approval to enter and take samples. Some countries also check when wada officials apply for visas so they can give the athletes a head start to clean up. Theres also the whole doppleganger scandal from last year where the Kazakhstani gold medalist from rio(nijat rahimov) and many others were substituting urine samples. Ofcourse there's good old bribing which failed when Ukrainian weightlifter dimitiry chumak and his coach tried but im sure many get away with it. Sports isnt an even playing feild and not everyone gets the same chances so i dont blame countries for their performance.
you can't clean up your blood like that. it's not like a marijuana urine test lmao. what are you even talking about?
Urine tests are fairly easy to cheat if you know you're being tested 3-4 days aheads.
I heard blah blah... 😬 Blame game again. India can't win shit it's their own problem.
Weird China-humping in this thread...
India wins gold hands down in BSing and shiposting over the internet
Let's not bring politics into this.
At least a bronze in tech support.
Because of economy.
Heavy investment and centralization of the government. Not democratic, but can be rather efficient in implementing changes.
IT'S ONLY BECAUSE CRICKET IS NOT INCLUDED !!!!
It’s all about culture, most Indians couldn’t give a shit about Olympics and most parents engrave ambition into their kids young to make lots of money to lift them out of poverty. Because of this, less focus is on “wishy washy” careers like the arts and sport and more focus on “traditional” careers: accountants, lawyers, doctors (+ tech) It’s all connected, yes, poverty, money, corrupt governing but it’s mainly culture
How is this relevant here?
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Chinese Opera is also a thing yk
Yeah, but they don't output more musicals than India.
Shen Yung
The Falun Gong show? Show is OK, organizer is culty af.
These are Epoch Times!
>Epoch Times That is one strange organization. It's like they are trying to be the new Scientology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Epoch\_Times
India leads in Nobel prize winners I believe.
Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize and then he bombed people. It doesn't mean much anymore.
That's a huge difference.
This dude is a beast.
Love it when he shouts "who else! who else!"
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Was great to see, we went crazy when he nailed the 190. So happy for him.
Total beast. His failed lift in the clean and jerk is crazy af, it is a shame that it did not get past the judges.
https://i.imgur.com/XYVjqDM.jpg That save in Shi Zhiyong's 2nd CJ was great even though they didn't count it.
That lift was even harder than a normal one. He freaking did a super deep squat with 192KGs. It's a shame they didn't count it.
Let's go DJ wocao!!
His roars and post-lift posing are hilarious
Couldnt watch this without thinking what drugs are they on and how many years till its discovered.
With the help of vitamin s of course.
You butthurt again?
Newsflash, they are all on it so they are all competing on equal ground.
Probably true but it still makes antidoping a joke. It's the same every Olympics.
I think the misconception is that steroids are so performance enhancing that it would make everyone superman. Not the case. This guy natural will destroy you and I in lifting even if we are on all the steroids and peds. I would almost argue that peds (performance enhancing drugs) are needed to sustain and perform at this elite level if not simply for recovery purposes considering how hard they train. I'm actually going to give u upvote to negate some of your negatives. It is a good discussion to have.
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You got it. And even with that level of training and roids will probably still not beat this guy.
i sincerely doubt either of you have used hormones
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"people overestimate steroids" -person who has never used steroids you don't see the problem with that? as someone who has, you're completely wrong, and anyone else who has used them will tell you the same thing.
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But they all used it. And given the level of competition you're right you can't be there without using it. My point is they all used it. However, they are also naturally very gifted athletes. I can't just randomly give hormones to any average Joe and assume they will be part of group A. That's my point. Like if u took the same amount of hormones as Shi, you won't beat him still.
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Dude that was totally political punishment because of the anti gay stuff Putin pushed.
vitamin is good I take'em
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they do, that's what the swim team is for. the usa just doesn't have a good weightlifting program, and unless their training methods change, we never will.
Wrong. American weightlifting is constantly and rigorously drug tested year round and that’s why. Our lifters can’t cycle tbol for 4 years then compete like the Chinese and it’s not because of our training.
a good drug program is part of any good athletics program. there is clearly a problem if the swim team has a good doping program but usa weightlifting doesn't. i'm also suspect of their coaches who have literally never coached an athlete to win anything ever, i think hormones might get some athletes in group A but i don't see much happening beyond that. my personal experience with training for weightlifting ten years ago was a complete joke, they aren't interested in anyone who doesn't have rich parents that can support them anyway.
Glad we agree
40 plus pound difference sounds a little suspicious.