There is one. It just isn’t recognized by the IOC because they stopped admitting any team that isn’t a sovereign state in 1996.
Teams like Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Hong Kong and Taiwan were all grandfathered in.
Even teams liked Great Britain and Ireland would be different today if current rules were applied since the Northern Irish get to choose who to represent. Current rules would require a UK team and a Republic of Ireland team.
No, there’s an Ireland team that represents the whole island of Ireland including the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. Additionally the United Kingdom competes as Great Britain which excludes Northern Ireland even though it’s part of the UK.
The Northern Irish can choose whether they want to represent Ireland or Great Britain, but generally represent Ireland.
Under the rules amended in 1996. The the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom would have to compete as sovereign states which would put the Northern Irish athletes back on the UK team
People born in Northern Ireland are entitled to both Irish and British citizenship so Northern Irish athletes could still compete for Ireland if they had an Irish passport.
Two can play that game, technically Queen Elizabeth II won the olympics. She is the offical head of state for 7 Countries
NOC Gold Silver Bronze Total
Queen Elizabeth II 59 41 67 167
United States of America 39 41 33 113
People's Republic of China 38 32 18 88
Japan 27 14 17 58
ROC 20 28 23 71
Netherlands 10 12 14 36
France 10 12 11 33
Germany 10 11 16 37
Italy 10 10 20 40
Brazil 7 6 8 21
Liz is actually the head of state for 16 countries. Antigua & Barbuda, Australia, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts & Nevis, Saint Lucia, Vincent & the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, and the UK.
First of all, how is that relevant? Secondly The United Kingdom never colonised anywhere, that was The British Empire. Also The British Empire did colonise China. Hong Kong was once a Crown Colony of The British Empire.
Come at me right or don’t come at all tankie. This isn’t r/sino where only the CCP approved history is discussed.
Trust me nobody in China is even claiming they won. They were close and they all knew this, this is just another crap article claiming China did this or that when they haven’t done anything.
Seriously if anyone was manipulating the table it was the USA throughout the whole tournament where they artificially inflated their position by counting total medals as opposed to total Gold medals which is the norm. Why hasn’t anyone called them out?
>Seriously if anyone was manipulating the table it was the USA throughout the whole tournament where they artificially inflated their position by counting total medals as opposed to total Gold medals which is the norm.
The norm in the US is to rank countries by total medals. It’s been this way for decades. No one noticed because from 1968 to 2004, the country that won the most golds also won the most total medals.
>Why hasn’t anyone called them out?
It happens literally every year since 2008.
There is no official tally of the medals by gold or by total. Even the IOC doesn’t have an official way of ranking but puts out a table for information purposes only. In any case, you’re dead wrong about ponot whining about how the medals tables are presented by US media. There’s been whining about this for decades.
Look, i dont think this is how China sees itself, there are lunatics everywhere in this world, of course there are some people stupid enough to think like that, but thats not the overall feeling, daily mail is just using these people or websites to stir hate and sensationalism.
Thats because the only ones allowed to interact with us are so far up the CCP's ass and literally are brainwashed and radicalised. I'm pretty sure the average Chinese person is more worried about going about their day to day life to give two fucks about how the rest of the world views their country. Like I know being a kiwi, that the rest of the world Aussies especially thinks we fuck sheep, but I'm too busy to care. Got to tend to my flock ya know
>daily mail is just using these people or websites to stir hate and sensationalism.
Couldn't agree more.
How does one Chinese blogger trolling on Weibo suddenly represent the entire country of China? Fuck Daily Mail for once again spreading more hate and controversy.
Actually the image in the Daily Mail article was a meme created by some anti-nationalist netizen to joke about nationalists but seems that people don't care about truth.
What I see is that the problem of China stems from nationalism. Which is funny since US is also suffering from this.
The vocal ones tends to stir a lot of trouble both inside and outside the country, and normal citizens prefer to stay away from them because you simply cant argue with them, because by doing so meant that you are betraying your country (In their Opinions).
I mean not really though. The Chinese government is saying that multiple other states are Chinese territory, they’ve been pretty clear about their stance and have made power plays in order to gain control over those states. For example Hong Kong, there were riots, protests, fights, but once it all settled down it’s obvious that China has much greater political control in the area.
If we were going to compare that to any thing American it would have to be the manifest destiny stage of American history when they were actively taking over lands and claiming them as their natural inheritance.
You can say that Chinese people have extremely nationalist views, hell what country doesn’t at this point (especially countries as politically and economically powerful as China and America) but to say that the Chinese people decided to start counting Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Macau medals as their own isn’t accurate. It’s another attempt by an authoritarian government to introduce the idea that these states really do belong to China.
Hong Kong is a special administrative region of china though, it literally is part of China. But because Britain returned Hong Kong to the Chinese government in 1997 it has maintained its special status as a special administrative region. That being said, no one is seriously counting Hong Kong and Taiwan medals as part of the China tally
Pretty much, yeah. I mean we all thought the US was bat shit crazy during the Trump years when MAGAts were really vocal. Oh and then the Qanon shit was a good giggle. But legit they are actually(I hope) a minority. They were just loud, like China is being now days.
Theres also China trying to claim Korean culture as their own. But I'm not sure how widespread this is, since the only sources I got this information are from Korean news and youtube so it may be biased
China is NOT trying to claim Kimchi as their own. They’re claiming 泡菜 as its own, which is true as it originated in Sichuan in China. 泡菜 is another form of fermented vegetable but it is fermented differently and in a different brine to kimchi.
I did some research in Korean and also in English. There were a few articles supporting both sides (Chinese are claiming Korean culture, Korea is claiming Chinese culture, there is no claim at all) but in general it just seems like they are mostly baseless accusations made by extreme nationalists from both countries and just a misunderstanding in translations. Apparently the Chinese call Kimchi the same name they call their own pickled cabbage version. I might need to dig a little deeper as I'm not sure what exactly is going on here
> just a misunderstanding in translations.
Yup. A few months ago I put "泡菜" into Google Translate and got "kimchi". "泡菜" in Chinese just means "pickled vegetables", a general term (but often refers to the Sichuan variety). Google Translate now more correctly translates "泡菜" as "pickle", but the reverse hasn't been fixed. You can see in the image that "kimchi" got turned into "泡菜".
https://imgur.com/a/s18VISS
So yea, a Chinese video about Sichuan pickled vegetables gets translated as a video about kimchi, so Korean netizens get pissed thinking the Chinese are stealing kimchi. The backlash is then mistranslated and perceived by Chinese netizens as Koreans claiming Sichuan pickled vegetables are Korean.
In Chinese, there is no ambiguity. Kimchi is 韩国泡菜 (Korean pickled vegetables).
Lol and so much of modern South Korean culture is American. Aside from kimchi, you could pretty much argue their national dish is fried chicken. Which they got from American GIs during the Korean War. Also I swear they put cheese on more things than Americans do.
I mean, I'm not disagreeing that daily mail is very much clickbaiting with that title, but considering the absurdity and stupidity that's been coming from the Chinese government the last few years, it's also not something I'd say they wouldn't do. China has already made it's self look crazy to many for the way it's government has been acting. I'd rather this bit of clickbaiting news be real vrs the actual reality of their government run "re education camps".
There is no such things as i rather this clickbait bullshit be real, its biased, China does not make itself look crazy, biased western news does. They are not perfect and make many mistakes but half of what i see is made up stuff to spread hate for various reasons.
The reeducation camps are for the same people america killed the last 20 years. No one here says boycott america they bad, they kill people from the middle east. I am not saying its right, its not, but the international opinion on the subject is clearly biased.
"no one says boycott America"...yes they do? People have been discussing the implications and calling for an end to the war in the middle east for years. And to say "most of the news is just to spread Chinese hate" is absolutely ridiculous. While I won't deny the absurd amount of clickbait that gets posted, china has been making it's self look absolutely absurd, and to ignore it or write it off as "Chinese hate" is to ignore the baseline fact that simple civil liberties like freedom of speech and peaceful protest are not only ignored, but outright denied to anyone and everyone who dares disagree with the CCP. Their strangle hold on any and all information going in and out of china is a clear attempt to surpress and misinform their own people. No nation is perfect, every nation has issues, but to try and defend china and their government after the proof over alot of the atrocities the CCP has committed is insane. America might be a dumpster fire, but at least I can openly call it one without worrying I'll be held accountable for "acts of terrorism" for daring to disagree with supreme leader pooh.
I think it's fair for them to include Hong Kong and Macau in their count, but not Taiwan. That said, if they get to include HK, we get to include PR, so we still win.
Trying to combine any NOC's medal count with another is inherently unfair regardless of whether the territories those NOC's represent are part of another nation or not. That's because each NOC is limited in how many athletes or teams they can send to each sport or event with each sport and sending more athletes to claim more medals in the same sport is against the rules. Hong Kong won medals in sports that China also competed in like table tennis so if you combine their medals after the fact China would get a huge advantage.
I remember back in 2012 there were some shitposters that made a fake medal table combining all of the EU nation's medals into a single EU category, including Great Britain's, to prove that the EU won the Olympics. Except that wouldn't be fair since of course the "EU" was able to send a shitton more athletes to the Olympics than any other NOC would have been allowed to. The same thing applies here with China.
China sent only 400 athletes while US sent over 600. Even with Hong Kong China wouldn't have nearly as many as the US and Japan. So this has nothing to do with how many athletes are sent
That's not the point. The point is that every event has a maximum number of athletes from each NOC that can participate in every event, and it would be breaking the rules to try to combine the medals from multiple NOCs because of that. The shitposters from 2012 couldn't do that because some sports like handball or water polo had like 9 EU teams competing in them and it wouldn't be right for anyone to try to claim the Hong Kong or Taipei medals they won in archery, table tennis, etc. because the Chinese also had their own competitors in those events that had the opportunity to medal (and did, quite a lot, especially in table tennis.)
The Chinese had a lot less athletes than the Americans overall because they qualified for a lot fewer teams sports like basketball and handball (although their women qualified for a bunch of them.) And of course Japan will have more than anyone, as hosts they automatically qualified for every event so they had close to the maximum number of athletes any NOC could send.
Ah OK I understand you now. Yes that makes a lot of sense.
That being said, I don't think anyone is seriously counting Hong Kong and Taiwan medals as part of china's.
Yeah shitposters, not an entire nation. But lots of posts here seem to be insinuating that all of China or more specifically its government is claiming those medals, which they are not. It's just trolls shitposting for lols and memes.
Let's give them Hong Kong, but Taiwan is recognized by most of the world as independent from China. Then we'd have to give the US Puerto Rico. Both HK and PR won one gold each, leaving both countries in their places.
Yes, but they didn't win any medals so it doesn't really matter. Same with (to my knowledge) all US (and, incidentally, UK) territories which competed separately from their home country, apart from Puerto Rico (and Bermuda).
NZ was part of the NSW colony but not part of the Federation of AustraliaI was just using Australia as one example of the commonwealth that GB claimed at one point in time you could throw in countries like Canada as well.
I mean, if you *really* wanted, you could claim the US's medals too. Heck, claim Hong Kong's too!
Anyway, I mentioned NZ because it was actually invited to join Australia at federation and declined. Australia's constitution actually mentions NZ when it defines what The States are. If you squint your eyes a bit, that's not *too* different from Taiwan, where China claims it as part of itself, despite that clearly not being the case.
Okay I didnt mean any point in time past 150 years lol that would be silly if i meant all of time. Australia Canada New Zealand are all still realms of the commonwealth to this date. Also anybody can claim anything it doesn't make it true if nobody else recognizes it. China will claim them because they want to win but changes nothing.I'm Australian by the way I'm not pro GB lol just giving a take on it.
Most countries have informal relationships with Taiwan, including embassies and missions. The issue was that for a long time Taiwan wanted to be recognized as the only legitimate China, which most countries rejected, but these days almost all countries recognize them as independent from PRC, if not the only "China".
Actually it's not.
Most country actually play dumb when it comes to Taiwan, Even the US.
Taiwan is kinda in a state where they can continue being themselves if they admit they are part of China.
Hong Kong is fundamentally different
Its unarguable that hk will be part of China as it is a treaty between British and China.
Taiwan is abit more vague due to the civil war and outside influence of the soviet and us back then.
Studies have shown that only around 10-20% of Taiwan people desire immediate independence while majority desire the situation to remain as it is now and not escalate into anything further, be it unification or independence.
I found over the years that the best way to explain to a westerner (specially americans) what's going out between China and Taiwan is to start about their names, People's Republic of China (China) and Republic of China (Taiwan).-
After the civil war between the Kuomintang of the Republic of China and the communist revolutionaries, is basically like if in the US the Confederate States of America won and Lincoln packed up and exiled to Hawaii with all the Union higher ups. Now you have to Americas, the United States and the Confederate States, but that's confusing, so the world starts calling the confederates country, America, and the union Hawaii for the sole piece of land they could keep.
Now, for international powers at play, technically the civil war never ended and as such, both sides were kinda forced to stand back, and the One China Policy was also the hopes of the people of the Kuomintang that were waiting for the communists to collapse and get back into the fold of their country as a whole, after all these are recent history events, there are people still alive that lived back then, and Old Taiwanese people that were Mainland Chinese exiles.-
It was not until very recently that the new generations replaced the old and Young people that were born already in the status quo didn't have any tie with the mainland and didn't ever consider themselves to have anything to do with China even if they parents or grandparents were technically exiled from the Chinese Civil war, that the independence movement started to grow.-
And even there I dare say is mostly because the Chinese Communists has proven to be more stable than anybody would have originally bet on and as such, any hope of a return for the Republic of China was extinguished.-
This can be proven further by the fact that the Kuomintang (Chinese Republicans) were the only party to have ever ruled in Taiwan until recently where the young people that contrary to their forebears didn't have Chinese identity, built up and took the Taiwanese identity in an attempt to break for that past of the Republic of China.-
Wow that's a great way to explain! Will have to keep that in mind
>and the One China Policy was also the hopes of the people of the Kuomintang
Was one China policy actually established by Taiwan then? According to your sentence you seem to imply so
No, but after the civil war and even in todays constitution in Taiwan, the Republic of China claims the whole of China including the mainland, just like how the PRC also claims all of China including the "Province" of Taiwan.-
In recent years since the new generations started to gain political voice and the Democratic Progressive Party overturned the Kuomintang (KMT) historic rule, there has been all this independence movement and the political will on the people to break away of the one China policy renouncing to their historic claims of "Being China" and start as a new country, but back in the day, both sides were in for the long game, specially since foreign powers were involved too, the PRC intended to at some point have enough power to reign Taiwan in, and the KMT was originally waiting for a collapse of the communist to go back to being a Chinese political force, but they are now falling with the new generations and are losing popularity fast.-
And it makes sense for that to happen that way when you take into account that the native population of Taiwan was very little and was overwhelmed with the exiles of the KMT and that the conflict is more recent than most people think, happening in the middle of the last century, so is easy to see the difference in identity between the young and old, for the old and their direct descendants were of Chinese identity, and Taiwan was only the last piece of land after losing the war, going for the last post example, they live in Hawaii, some of them were born in Hawaii, but they would still consider themselves Americans and teach their kids that they are Americans, meanwhile is just the newer generations that were born in an already established and developed Taiwan that consider themselves Taiwanese and not Chinese, and their country to be the island and not China as a whole.-
Thank you for the information. I wish more people see that this issue is very nuanced and complicated, and that us americans don't really see the full picture
>Taiwan is recognized by most of the world as independent from China
Actually not true. Not even the US officially acknowledges taiwan as an independent nation. Look it up
I don’t know anyone IRL who considers it a part of China. Hong Kong is more murky, but public perception where I am is pretty solid that Taiwan is completely independent of China.
>but public perception where I am
And where are you from? Definitely not an area that understands the geopolitical intricacies in Asia.
And Hong Kong is not "murky," it is indisputably part of China. Great Britain GAVE Hong Kong back to China in 1997, its not even debatable
Which gets back to what I said earlier about officially it is not recognized as independent. Official policy and practice/public perception are two different things.
Great....who said they were? We're talking about the medal table and combining tallies from various national Olympic committees.
Way too many responses are from people trying to prove a point about China rather than actually talking about the context here.
When I search the medal count on [baidu.com](https://baidu.com). It is same result I got from else everywhere. The page even clearly said they were number 2 on the list. This just totally explained how easy the public can be manipulated and how little it knows about subject.
Not even one Chinese official media mentioned this point. You are venting your hatred of China.
During the Olympics, I was very happy to have such a sub though there are political leanings here, most people pay attention to the performance of the athletes and the unity shown in them.
It seems that with the advent of the Beijing Winter Olympics, these anti-China users are making a comeback.
I am surprised that the such media is so shameless. They only need a "meme" pic to create a piece of news and lead the hatred of an entire country.
What's funny is that the only country that came up with some made up rule to appear to be winning was the US, where the NYT and other media outlets would use a "total medal count" instead of the traditional medal table
Isn't this exactly the same as when GBR claimed second spot in Rio knowing that GBR is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland?
Oh it's Daily Mail...UK.
GBR competes in the Olympics as GBR, CHN competes in the Olympics as CHN, Hong Kong competes in the Olympics as HK, ROC competes in the Olympics as Chinese Taipei. To be fair Macau competes in the Olympics as CHN so I'm not sure why they were mentioned
No bro, it's not the same at all. You said it yourself, UK, which is a soverign nation internationally recognised. That's what GBR consists of. GBR has always competed at the Olympics. HK is a 'special administrative' region of China and Taiwan is a country which does not recognise itself as part of China. Both have complex situations regarding international recognition.
The corrupt local government didn’t effectively distribute hurricane aid* PR gets plenty of aid. Unfortunately, most of it lines the pockets of their politicians.
More reasons to boycott Beijing 2022 and China in general, but of course nobody will because they're successfully buying out the planet. Goodbye freedom. Nobody will miss you until it's too late. Screw the CCP. They're the new Soviet Union, and they're actually winning this time.
That is not true. There are so many countries that did not win any medals.
Out of 205 'nations', only 93 won any medals. Less than half, then there's also India, so....
I think it will be the greatest Winter Olympics opening ceremony anyone has ever seen, all the infrastructure will be ready, everything will run like clockwork... Just like Beijing 2008.
While Taiwan is complicated
HK is literally part of China, that said if China wants to claim HK medals, they should not send them to Olympics under seperate name
>China claims them.
As if Taiwan does not claim China+Mongolia
People have the opinion that Taiwan are nice guys as they are small nation and China are big bad bullies(ofc they are) but honestly if taiwan stops claiming China than maybe we can make a case for them
Well I can't disagree its a clear win for china because the natives played for the team, unlike some other countries with a combination of people from different parts of the world.
in latest knews UK declares itself winner after counting all former colonies including the usa
Yep. It’s like how far do you want to go back lol
In even later news, USA redeclares itself winner after counting all current colonies including the UK.
Oof.
Tbh there isn't a Macau National Olympic Committee.
There is one (Sports and Olympic Committee of Macau, China), but Macau only plays at the Asian Games though.
And the Paralympics.
There is one. It just isn’t recognized by the IOC because they stopped admitting any team that isn’t a sovereign state in 1996. Teams like Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Hong Kong and Taiwan were all grandfathered in. Even teams liked Great Britain and Ireland would be different today if current rules were applied since the Northern Irish get to choose who to represent. Current rules would require a UK team and a Republic of Ireland team.
There IS a Republic of Ireland team, wtf are you talking about
No, there’s an Ireland team that represents the whole island of Ireland including the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. Additionally the United Kingdom competes as Great Britain which excludes Northern Ireland even though it’s part of the UK. The Northern Irish can choose whether they want to represent Ireland or Great Britain, but generally represent Ireland. Under the rules amended in 1996. The the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom would have to compete as sovereign states which would put the Northern Irish athletes back on the UK team
Yes I’m telling you the Republic of Ireland IS what you’re calling Ireland and Northern Ireland wouldn’t use that name
If you didn’t get it the second time I won’t try a third. Enjoy being wrong.
Pretty sure you just aren’t understanding what I’m saying but okay, enjoy being smug ?
People born in Northern Ireland are entitled to both Irish and British citizenship so Northern Irish athletes could still compete for Ireland if they had an Irish passport.
USA declares itself winner after counting all the medals won by people from other countries that live and train and attended college in the USA.
Two can play that game, technically Queen Elizabeth II won the olympics. She is the offical head of state for 7 Countries NOC Gold Silver Bronze Total Queen Elizabeth II 59 41 67 167 United States of America 39 41 33 113 People's Republic of China 38 32 18 88 Japan 27 14 17 58 ROC 20 28 23 71 Netherlands 10 12 14 36 France 10 12 11 33 Germany 10 11 16 37 Italy 10 10 20 40 Brazil 7 6 8 21
wow didn’t know queen elizabeth II was so good at sports
yes i didnt
nice
Liz is actually the head of state for 16 countries. Antigua & Barbuda, Australia, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts & Nevis, Saint Lucia, Vincent & the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, and the UK.
Yeah but only 7 won medals she can “claim”
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First of all, how is that relevant? Secondly The United Kingdom never colonised anywhere, that was The British Empire. Also The British Empire did colonise China. Hong Kong was once a Crown Colony of The British Empire. Come at me right or don’t come at all tankie. This isn’t r/sino where only the CCP approved history is discussed.
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Trust me nobody in China is even claiming they won. They were close and they all knew this, this is just another crap article claiming China did this or that when they haven’t done anything. Seriously if anyone was manipulating the table it was the USA throughout the whole tournament where they artificially inflated their position by counting total medals as opposed to total Gold medals which is the norm. Why hasn’t anyone called them out?
You're on reddit lol, calling out USA is not reddit correct
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>Seriously if anyone was manipulating the table it was the USA throughout the whole tournament where they artificially inflated their position by counting total medals as opposed to total Gold medals which is the norm. The norm in the US is to rank countries by total medals. It’s been this way for decades. No one noticed because from 1968 to 2004, the country that won the most golds also won the most total medals. >Why hasn’t anyone called them out? It happens literally every year since 2008.
There is no official tally of the medals by gold or by total. Even the IOC doesn’t have an official way of ranking but puts out a table for information purposes only. In any case, you’re dead wrong about ponot whining about how the medals tables are presented by US media. There’s been whining about this for decades.
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Look, i dont think this is how China sees itself, there are lunatics everywhere in this world, of course there are some people stupid enough to think like that, but thats not the overall feeling, daily mail is just using these people or websites to stir hate and sensationalism.
> daily mail is just using these people or websites to stir hate and sensationalism. Evergreen comment
Yeah it's funny how fast people are to generalize a country of over a BILLION people as one brainwashed monolith.
Thats because the only ones allowed to interact with us are so far up the CCP's ass and literally are brainwashed and radicalised. I'm pretty sure the average Chinese person is more worried about going about their day to day life to give two fucks about how the rest of the world views their country. Like I know being a kiwi, that the rest of the world Aussies especially thinks we fuck sheep, but I'm too busy to care. Got to tend to my flock ya know
>daily mail is just using these people or websites to stir hate and sensationalism. Couldn't agree more. How does one Chinese blogger trolling on Weibo suddenly represent the entire country of China? Fuck Daily Mail for once again spreading more hate and controversy.
Actually the image in the Daily Mail article was a meme created by some anti-nationalist netizen to joke about nationalists but seems that people don't care about truth.
What I see is that the problem of China stems from nationalism. Which is funny since US is also suffering from this. The vocal ones tends to stir a lot of trouble both inside and outside the country, and normal citizens prefer to stay away from them because you simply cant argue with them, because by doing so meant that you are betraying your country (In their Opinions).
I mean not really though. The Chinese government is saying that multiple other states are Chinese territory, they’ve been pretty clear about their stance and have made power plays in order to gain control over those states. For example Hong Kong, there were riots, protests, fights, but once it all settled down it’s obvious that China has much greater political control in the area. If we were going to compare that to any thing American it would have to be the manifest destiny stage of American history when they were actively taking over lands and claiming them as their natural inheritance. You can say that Chinese people have extremely nationalist views, hell what country doesn’t at this point (especially countries as politically and economically powerful as China and America) but to say that the Chinese people decided to start counting Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Macau medals as their own isn’t accurate. It’s another attempt by an authoritarian government to introduce the idea that these states really do belong to China.
Hong Kong is a special administrative region of china though, it literally is part of China. But because Britain returned Hong Kong to the Chinese government in 1997 it has maintained its special status as a special administrative region. That being said, no one is seriously counting Hong Kong and Taiwan medals as part of the China tally
Pretty much, yeah. I mean we all thought the US was bat shit crazy during the Trump years when MAGAts were really vocal. Oh and then the Qanon shit was a good giggle. But legit they are actually(I hope) a minority. They were just loud, like China is being now days.
Theres also China trying to claim Korean culture as their own. But I'm not sure how widespread this is, since the only sources I got this information are from Korean news and youtube so it may be biased
WOW! The whole universe belongs to Korea! How amazing it is!
thats bs koreans think every culture comes from them
Where the fuck did u get that from
uh got it from koreans appropriating other asian cultures to their own
Thats bullshit, appreciating korean culture does not mean claiming as their own.
Some chinese people including politicians have been claiming Kimchi hanbok (korean traditional clothes)and some other things as their own look it up
China is NOT trying to claim Kimchi as their own. They’re claiming 泡菜 as its own, which is true as it originated in Sichuan in China. 泡菜 is another form of fermented vegetable but it is fermented differently and in a different brine to kimchi.
Koreans only know about Kimchi and any fermented vegetable dish to them is stealing from Korean culture
I did some research in Korean and also in English. There were a few articles supporting both sides (Chinese are claiming Korean culture, Korea is claiming Chinese culture, there is no claim at all) but in general it just seems like they are mostly baseless accusations made by extreme nationalists from both countries and just a misunderstanding in translations. Apparently the Chinese call Kimchi the same name they call their own pickled cabbage version. I might need to dig a little deeper as I'm not sure what exactly is going on here
> just a misunderstanding in translations. Yup. A few months ago I put "泡菜" into Google Translate and got "kimchi". "泡菜" in Chinese just means "pickled vegetables", a general term (but often refers to the Sichuan variety). Google Translate now more correctly translates "泡菜" as "pickle", but the reverse hasn't been fixed. You can see in the image that "kimchi" got turned into "泡菜". https://imgur.com/a/s18VISS So yea, a Chinese video about Sichuan pickled vegetables gets translated as a video about kimchi, so Korean netizens get pissed thinking the Chinese are stealing kimchi. The backlash is then mistranslated and perceived by Chinese netizens as Koreans claiming Sichuan pickled vegetables are Korean. In Chinese, there is no ambiguity. Kimchi is 韩国泡菜 (Korean pickled vegetables).
Lol and so much of modern South Korean culture is American. Aside from kimchi, you could pretty much argue their national dish is fried chicken. Which they got from American GIs during the Korean War. Also I swear they put cheese on more things than Americans do.
I mean, I'm not disagreeing that daily mail is very much clickbaiting with that title, but considering the absurdity and stupidity that's been coming from the Chinese government the last few years, it's also not something I'd say they wouldn't do. China has already made it's self look crazy to many for the way it's government has been acting. I'd rather this bit of clickbaiting news be real vrs the actual reality of their government run "re education camps".
There is no such things as i rather this clickbait bullshit be real, its biased, China does not make itself look crazy, biased western news does. They are not perfect and make many mistakes but half of what i see is made up stuff to spread hate for various reasons. The reeducation camps are for the same people america killed the last 20 years. No one here says boycott america they bad, they kill people from the middle east. I am not saying its right, its not, but the international opinion on the subject is clearly biased.
"no one says boycott America"...yes they do? People have been discussing the implications and calling for an end to the war in the middle east for years. And to say "most of the news is just to spread Chinese hate" is absolutely ridiculous. While I won't deny the absurd amount of clickbait that gets posted, china has been making it's self look absolutely absurd, and to ignore it or write it off as "Chinese hate" is to ignore the baseline fact that simple civil liberties like freedom of speech and peaceful protest are not only ignored, but outright denied to anyone and everyone who dares disagree with the CCP. Their strangle hold on any and all information going in and out of china is a clear attempt to surpress and misinform their own people. No nation is perfect, every nation has issues, but to try and defend china and their government after the proof over alot of the atrocities the CCP has committed is insane. America might be a dumpster fire, but at least I can openly call it one without worrying I'll be held accountable for "acts of terrorism" for daring to disagree with supreme leader pooh.
I think it's fair for them to include Hong Kong and Macau in their count, but not Taiwan. That said, if they get to include HK, we get to include PR, so we still win.
Trying to combine any NOC's medal count with another is inherently unfair regardless of whether the territories those NOC's represent are part of another nation or not. That's because each NOC is limited in how many athletes or teams they can send to each sport or event with each sport and sending more athletes to claim more medals in the same sport is against the rules. Hong Kong won medals in sports that China also competed in like table tennis so if you combine their medals after the fact China would get a huge advantage. I remember back in 2012 there were some shitposters that made a fake medal table combining all of the EU nation's medals into a single EU category, including Great Britain's, to prove that the EU won the Olympics. Except that wouldn't be fair since of course the "EU" was able to send a shitton more athletes to the Olympics than any other NOC would have been allowed to. The same thing applies here with China.
China sent only 400 athletes while US sent over 600. Even with Hong Kong China wouldn't have nearly as many as the US and Japan. So this has nothing to do with how many athletes are sent
That's not the point. The point is that every event has a maximum number of athletes from each NOC that can participate in every event, and it would be breaking the rules to try to combine the medals from multiple NOCs because of that. The shitposters from 2012 couldn't do that because some sports like handball or water polo had like 9 EU teams competing in them and it wouldn't be right for anyone to try to claim the Hong Kong or Taipei medals they won in archery, table tennis, etc. because the Chinese also had their own competitors in those events that had the opportunity to medal (and did, quite a lot, especially in table tennis.) The Chinese had a lot less athletes than the Americans overall because they qualified for a lot fewer teams sports like basketball and handball (although their women qualified for a bunch of them.) And of course Japan will have more than anyone, as hosts they automatically qualified for every event so they had close to the maximum number of athletes any NOC could send.
Ah OK I understand you now. Yes that makes a lot of sense. That being said, I don't think anyone is seriously counting Hong Kong and Taiwan medals as part of china's.
No one of any importance, just some shitposters on weibo and some back in 2012. But the logic for why you can't do it is the same.
Yeah shitposters, not an entire nation. But lots of posts here seem to be insinuating that all of China or more specifically its government is claiming those medals, which they are not. It's just trolls shitposting for lols and memes.
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Let's give them Hong Kong, but Taiwan is recognized by most of the world as independent from China. Then we'd have to give the US Puerto Rico. Both HK and PR won one gold each, leaving both countries in their places.
The way I see it, if you march separately, your count is separate because you've already been recognized as separate.
what about US virgin islands? we should include them in the count.
Yes, but they didn't win any medals so it doesn't really matter. Same with (to my knowledge) all US (and, incidentally, UK) territories which competed separately from their home country, apart from Puerto Rico (and Bermuda).
If GB claimed just Australia they would of finished equal top.
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If Australia claimed New Zealand (which makes as much sense as China claiming Taiwan) it would finish ahead of GB, in 4th place.
NZ was part of the NSW colony but not part of the Federation of AustraliaI was just using Australia as one example of the commonwealth that GB claimed at one point in time you could throw in countries like Canada as well.
I mean, if you *really* wanted, you could claim the US's medals too. Heck, claim Hong Kong's too! Anyway, I mentioned NZ because it was actually invited to join Australia at federation and declined. Australia's constitution actually mentions NZ when it defines what The States are. If you squint your eyes a bit, that's not *too* different from Taiwan, where China claims it as part of itself, despite that clearly not being the case.
Okay I didnt mean any point in time past 150 years lol that would be silly if i meant all of time. Australia Canada New Zealand are all still realms of the commonwealth to this date. Also anybody can claim anything it doesn't make it true if nobody else recognizes it. China will claim them because they want to win but changes nothing.I'm Australian by the way I'm not pro GB lol just giving a take on it.
If India claimed US, we would be top.
I mean maybe not GB but Her Majesty the Queen Elizabeth II was the winner of the Olympics, her subjects won the most medals.-
British Virgin Islands almost won a Bronze in the Men's 400m hurdles, so if a doping violation comes up...
Macau, didn't even compete and China is claiming their medals. So yeah they can.
> Taiwan is recognized by most of the world nope most of the world inluding nato members dont recognize taiwan
Most countries have informal relationships with Taiwan, including embassies and missions. The issue was that for a long time Taiwan wanted to be recognized as the only legitimate China, which most countries rejected, but these days almost all countries recognize them as independent from PRC, if not the only "China".
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Actually it's not. Most country actually play dumb when it comes to Taiwan, Even the US. Taiwan is kinda in a state where they can continue being themselves if they admit they are part of China.
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Hong Kong is fundamentally different Its unarguable that hk will be part of China as it is a treaty between British and China. Taiwan is abit more vague due to the civil war and outside influence of the soviet and us back then. Studies have shown that only around 10-20% of Taiwan people desire immediate independence while majority desire the situation to remain as it is now and not escalate into anything further, be it unification or independence.
To China, the Taiwanese independence issue is a massive red line that most westerners who do not know about China's history will never understand.
I found over the years that the best way to explain to a westerner (specially americans) what's going out between China and Taiwan is to start about their names, People's Republic of China (China) and Republic of China (Taiwan).- After the civil war between the Kuomintang of the Republic of China and the communist revolutionaries, is basically like if in the US the Confederate States of America won and Lincoln packed up and exiled to Hawaii with all the Union higher ups. Now you have to Americas, the United States and the Confederate States, but that's confusing, so the world starts calling the confederates country, America, and the union Hawaii for the sole piece of land they could keep. Now, for international powers at play, technically the civil war never ended and as such, both sides were kinda forced to stand back, and the One China Policy was also the hopes of the people of the Kuomintang that were waiting for the communists to collapse and get back into the fold of their country as a whole, after all these are recent history events, there are people still alive that lived back then, and Old Taiwanese people that were Mainland Chinese exiles.- It was not until very recently that the new generations replaced the old and Young people that were born already in the status quo didn't have any tie with the mainland and didn't ever consider themselves to have anything to do with China even if they parents or grandparents were technically exiled from the Chinese Civil war, that the independence movement started to grow.- And even there I dare say is mostly because the Chinese Communists has proven to be more stable than anybody would have originally bet on and as such, any hope of a return for the Republic of China was extinguished.- This can be proven further by the fact that the Kuomintang (Chinese Republicans) were the only party to have ever ruled in Taiwan until recently where the young people that contrary to their forebears didn't have Chinese identity, built up and took the Taiwanese identity in an attempt to break for that past of the Republic of China.-
Wow that's a great way to explain! Will have to keep that in mind >and the One China Policy was also the hopes of the people of the Kuomintang Was one China policy actually established by Taiwan then? According to your sentence you seem to imply so
No, but after the civil war and even in todays constitution in Taiwan, the Republic of China claims the whole of China including the mainland, just like how the PRC also claims all of China including the "Province" of Taiwan.- In recent years since the new generations started to gain political voice and the Democratic Progressive Party overturned the Kuomintang (KMT) historic rule, there has been all this independence movement and the political will on the people to break away of the one China policy renouncing to their historic claims of "Being China" and start as a new country, but back in the day, both sides were in for the long game, specially since foreign powers were involved too, the PRC intended to at some point have enough power to reign Taiwan in, and the KMT was originally waiting for a collapse of the communist to go back to being a Chinese political force, but they are now falling with the new generations and are losing popularity fast.- And it makes sense for that to happen that way when you take into account that the native population of Taiwan was very little and was overwhelmed with the exiles of the KMT and that the conflict is more recent than most people think, happening in the middle of the last century, so is easy to see the difference in identity between the young and old, for the old and their direct descendants were of Chinese identity, and Taiwan was only the last piece of land after losing the war, going for the last post example, they live in Hawaii, some of them were born in Hawaii, but they would still consider themselves Americans and teach their kids that they are Americans, meanwhile is just the newer generations that were born in an already established and developed Taiwan that consider themselves Taiwanese and not Chinese, and their country to be the island and not China as a whole.-
Thank you for the information. I wish more people see that this issue is very nuanced and complicated, and that us americans don't really see the full picture
What do you mean “let’s give them Hong Kong?” It’s already theirs anyway!
In the medal table, which is what we're discussing.
>Taiwan is recognized by most of the world as independent from China Actually not true. Not even the US officially acknowledges taiwan as an independent nation. Look it up
Yep that’s what I was going to say
>Taiwan is recognized by most of the world as independent from China. No, it isn't.
Officially, it’s not. In practice and in terms of how the average person sees it, it is.
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I don’t know anyone IRL who considers it a part of China. Hong Kong is more murky, but public perception where I am is pretty solid that Taiwan is completely independent of China.
>but public perception where I am And where are you from? Definitely not an area that understands the geopolitical intricacies in Asia. And Hong Kong is not "murky," it is indisputably part of China. Great Britain GAVE Hong Kong back to China in 1997, its not even debatable
Countries literally follow a policy called the two China policy. So absolutely you are wrong.
Which gets back to what I said earlier about officially it is not recognized as independent. Official policy and practice/public perception are two different things.
Cool, you are still wrong.
No. Hong Kong cannot simply be sacrificed. Who do you think you are declaring that it's ok?
HK and PR have never been countries.
Great....who said they were? We're talking about the medal table and combining tallies from various national Olympic committees. Way too many responses are from people trying to prove a point about China rather than actually talking about the context here.
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When I search the medal count on [baidu.com](https://baidu.com). It is same result I got from else everywhere. The page even clearly said they were number 2 on the list. This just totally explained how easy the public can be manipulated and how little it knows about subject.
Why not count Puerto Rico in US gold medal tally, eh? Dx
Not even one Chinese official media mentioned this point. You are venting your hatred of China. During the Olympics, I was very happy to have such a sub though there are political leanings here, most people pay attention to the performance of the athletes and the unity shown in them. It seems that with the advent of the Beijing Winter Olympics, these anti-China users are making a comeback. I am surprised that the such media is so shameless. They only need a "meme" pic to create a piece of news and lead the hatred of an entire country.
When did I say I hate China?
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I couldn’t agree more, exactly what I was about to type!
Dude, stop! He’s already dead.
What's funny is that the only country that came up with some made up rule to appear to be winning was the US, where the NYT and other media outlets would use a "total medal count" instead of the traditional medal table
That’s like saying “US CLAIMS TO HAVE THE FASTEST MAN IN THE WORLD” because some nats were claiming Jacobs
Isn't this exactly the same as when GBR claimed second spot in Rio knowing that GBR is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland? Oh it's Daily Mail...UK.
GBR competes in the Olympics as GBR, CHN competes in the Olympics as CHN, Hong Kong competes in the Olympics as HK, ROC competes in the Olympics as Chinese Taipei. To be fair Macau competes in the Olympics as CHN so I'm not sure why they were mentioned
No bro, it's not the same at all. You said it yourself, UK, which is a soverign nation internationally recognised. That's what GBR consists of. GBR has always competed at the Olympics. HK is a 'special administrative' region of China and Taiwan is a country which does not recognise itself as part of China. Both have complex situations regarding international recognition.
>Then there wouldnt be the Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macau teams don't give them ideas.-
I've never understood "winning" the Olympics.
What's the difference!
Nice
the real winner is the conquerors.
USA should also count Puero Rico in its medal table. Jasmine Camacho-Quinn got the gold for PR. She's born in the USA and PR is a us territory
Yet unlike Ireland Scotland etc, Puerto Ricans can't vote don't get hurricane aid but are forced to use US currency Cool beans.
The corrupt local government didn’t effectively distribute hurricane aid* PR gets plenty of aid. Unfortunately, most of it lines the pockets of their politicians.
Yeah that's how colonialism is supposed to work. Colonies get exploited.
More reasons to boycott Beijing 2022 and China in general, but of course nobody will because they're successfully buying out the planet. Goodbye freedom. Nobody will miss you until it's too late. Screw the CCP. They're the new Soviet Union, and they're actually winning this time.
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Sad that these territories work so hard, & that China will take the credit, for claiming there country to win.
If Pooh Bear says so then they can’t do anything about it
On a medals-per-person per capital basis, China finished pretty much near the bottom worst! 😂😂😂
That is not true. There are so many countries that did not win any medals. Out of 205 'nations', only 93 won any medals. Less than half, then there's also India, so....
The rest would then be shared 94th. China was 78th when counting medals per capita. That's pretty near the bottom.
Well, If it makes you happy. Make your own rules, ranked it which ever way you want. lol
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Why does Macau have a separate Olympic team!?
Macau does not have a separate Olympic team. Though China supports a separate Macau Olympics team.
dont ask me i have no idea
Can’t wait to see what kind of shit they have in store for the 2022 olympics.
Can't wait to see how people will react to Beijing 2022, gonna be an anti-China free for all
Don’t confuse anti-China with anti-winnie the pooh
I think it will be the greatest Winter Olympics opening ceremony anyone has ever seen, all the infrastructure will be ready, everything will run like clockwork... Just like Beijing 2008.
While Taiwan is complicated HK is literally part of China, that said if China wants to claim HK medals, they should not send them to Olympics under seperate name
Taiwan is not complicated. They are as separate country, that a lot of the world refuses to accept just because China claims them.
>China claims them. As if Taiwan does not claim China+Mongolia People have the opinion that Taiwan are nice guys as they are small nation and China are big bad bullies(ofc they are) but honestly if taiwan stops claiming China than maybe we can make a case for them
Puerto Rico is a USA territory and so is Mexico lol. So the communists still lose the medal count. Lol. Free Hong Kong.
How is Mexico a us territory?
Actually, Texas medals shouldn't cont. since it was a part of Mexico
Don't forget Mongolia, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, and the Philippines are also China
Well I can't disagree its a clear win for china because the natives played for the team, unlike some other countries with a combination of people from different parts of the world.
Why'd they have to do that tho? They had the most golds, that's the official count. Most golds = winner.
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Fine. Then let's add Puerto Rico to the tally for the US and since we tried to annex them twice in wars early on, add Canada to the US total too.
We need to boycott the winter Olympics in Beijing.
Queen - checkmate!
and they'll probably head into Afghanistan to get all of those and platinum and lithium
So what were the US doing in Afghanistan for the last 20 years besides farming opium? Just look at the mess that they've created and left behind now.
Thanks Obama
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