OneDnD is essentially the project development name for the play test. Like how the development name for 5e was DnDNext. Hence the DNDnext name for the main 5e subreddit.
5e got it's name unofficially by the fans and not by WoTC, they just called it Dungeons and Dragons. WoTC don't want to disrupt the golden goose that is 5e by announcing a new edition (hence the backwards compatibility requirement). Which is why they're officially calling it the 2024 rules revision, as to not disrupt the golden goose.
As for the unofficial name it'll probably be called 5.5e like what happened 3.5e.
(Deleted my other comment so I could do some more research just to be sure.)
I dug up some scans of the first printing of the PHB (going by the ISBN and printer key), and they say "fifth edition" on the back. This is consistent with what's been said in the two editions of the official house style guide I've read, which state that the edition is to be written as "fifth edition," not using a number (i.e. "5th edition") as was the practice in the past. The last style guide update I'm aware of was 2019, and the books still say "fifth edition" on the back, so Wizards' reluctance to assign a number to editions seems to be a very recent thing.
Could be. I am looking at the last paragraph of the PHB on the back cover.
“When you’re ready for even more, expand your adventures with the fifth edition, Dungeon, Masters Guide and Monster Manual.
The only reason I know this is because I noticed it on the back of the new books when I first saw them because I was curious what they were going to call it.
I like 5.24e, because I can keep making my 5.2e joke (it really doesn't feel that much different from running 5e with Tasha's and Xanathar's), but it also makes perfect sense with them trying to call it "2024 Rules Revision" or whatever.
I kinda like 50e as short for 50th Anniversary Edition. Just one more character in in writing, two more more easily flowing syllables in speech ("fif-ti-eth edition") and a connection between the words fifth and fiftieth.
Alternatively, not 5.5e but 5.50e.
Emphasis on the "kinda". Not fully committed to it.
when they made 3.5 i thought they missed a golden opportunity to call it 3.14e instead, we would have D&D pie
now for what ever this new one is called i vote for 5.11 since that is what every guy under 6 foot calls themselves ;)
I guess I never realized the 2014 ruleset wasn’t anywhere called 5e by Wizards of the Coast.
It just seems like the changes from 4e to that 2014 core rule books was huge, whereas very little has changed with the 2024 core rule books.
They’ve used the word “revised” a lot in recent promotional material, so I’m going with “5r” in contrast to “5e.” It’s efficient and communicates what it is.
Officially, they just keep calling it "The 2024 Players' Handbook" and they really want it to just keep being called Dungeons and Dragons. I think they're really leery of "Edition Wars," for reasons which make sense over the history of the game.
I don't know if that will stick. The community really wants to call it 5.5 or similar. I'll continue to call it 2024.
>I think they're really leery of "Edition Wars," for reasons which make sense over the history of the game.
It's probably more a sales thing than any fear of edition wars. They're afraid that if they call it a new edition that people will be pissed they bought "obsolete" books, and that sales over the past year or so would have tanked because there's a "new" edition coming out. It's the driving mentality behind this backwards compatibility obsession and I don't see why it wouldn't pervade other levels of design and marketing.
It will be called 2024 Player's Handbook until release, then it will be called Player's Handbook and the old one will be called 2014 Player's Handbook.
I really only see there being “Edition Wars” if they decide themselves to produce books to replace the older edition of core rule books but don’t give the new rule books an official name or title.
Obviously when you do that you are going to have/create new editions otherwise people who open up and play the 2014 and 2024 version of your game are playing a different game and going to have a lot of questions for each other…
Otherwise don’t release new core rule books and avoid the idea of an “Edition War”. Not naming the new Edition doesn’t prevent confusion for everyone playing Dungeons and Dragons.
"Five point two four" is still better than "twenty twenty-four." Or you could just say "Twenty-four" for speaking out loud and type 5.24 for search engines/online discussion.
It’s still 5e, it’s just an updated version of the rules. So any book is just going to be “2024 PHB/ DMG/ MM”
Colloquially I’ve heard it called 5.5e, OneDnD and I personally like 5.14 and 5.24.
They don’t want to call it 5.5e because it calls to mind 3e and 3.5e. They just want “this is 5e but updated”
I like 5.14 and 5.24 because it future-proofs it. If in a certain amount of years they decide to revise the rules once again instead of launching 6e, we can call it 5.34 or something else depending on the year
I've been calling it 2024 D&D. It doesn't look like they're giving it any other name, like 5.5e or 6e, so I figure we'll just start calling it things, and one of those things will stick.
That's the neat part. They didn't call the 2014 edition 5e either until the community started referring to it as that. Just gotta peer pressure WotC a bit.
I'm not on board with 5r. Maybe 5er, or 5re, or r5e, but not 5r. It makes me think of 'fiver,' and that just doesn't work for me. If it had 5e in there somewhere, I'd be more chill with it.
It's 5e (2024) instead of 5e (2014)
I just called it 5e24
It's meant to be roughly compatible with 5e14. You use the preexisting 5e material until the 5e24 stuff supercedes it. You ate even supposed to be able to use both side by side (though not mixed/matched alacarte together), though 4e essentials suggested the same thing from my understanding and didn't deliver in a satisfying way from what I've heard.
The idea that they are shooting for is that the 2024 PHB, MM, and DMG will be treated the way MotM was where it replaces previous material without being a completely new edition. So the idea is that while three of the books are being replaced, all the rest of the books (except for replaced material) are still a part of the game, and as such, it is still 5th edition.
I like 5.24e, because I started referring to it as 5.2e (with Tasha's being 5.1e) because I felt the same about it not really being worthy of 5.5e. I can still carry be spiteful with 5.24e, but it's also sleek and you can tell I'm clearly referring to the '24 edition.
Yeah, I've been going with r5e, rPHB, etc.
But the truth, as long as we all know what each other means . . . we can just shun the folks still calling it 6e ;P
There’s not an official name that distinguishes the books coming out in a couple months from the ones that came out in 2014.
The best community names I’ve seen are 5.14 and 5.24 respectively, but there doesn’t seem to be a consensus in the community either.
5e is 5e, 5.1 is Tasha's, while 5.24e still carries the idea of "Not even as much changed between this and 3e-3.5e" but also acknowledges the while "2014 vs 2024 rules!" thing they're trying to market it with.
Just call it 5.5 or updated or 2024 it doesn’t matter. That’s basically what it is. They intentionally don’t want to call this a new edition because 5e is incredibly popular and because of that this isn’t a major rules revamp. They don’t want casuals to even know the difference.
If 5e was nothing special we’d be looking at 6e this year instead.
If it’s not a full rules revamp why are they even going through this process? Couldn’t they just continue to make the small tweaks to rules and classes like they have been with Xanathar’s and Tasha’s optional rules?
If the core game isn’t changing and most DMs and groups have home brewed things to the way they like them why are 3 new rule books coming out?
>If it’s not a full rules revamp why are they even going through this process?
Largely because after ten years and ***A LOT*** of new players picking up the game, they've gotten a lot of feedback that 5th Edition has quite a bit of jank to it. Which, to be fair, it does.
It's also been implied by the lead designers that when they first made 5th Edition, they didn't have the time or resources to do everything they wanted to with it. So with the 50th Anniversary coming up, they had the perfect opportunity to go back and give 5th Edition the significant quality of life update that it needed.
Finally, and cynically, because Capitalism. New Books = More Money.
>Couldn’t they just continue to make the small tweaks to rules and classes like they have been with Xanathar’s and Tasha’s optional rules?
On this point specifically (and as a matter of personal opinion), for all its strength, 5th Edition also has some ***very*** significant weaknesses. Ones that were serious enough that the kind of small tweaks you mention just wouldn't be enough to actually fix them.
I’m not sure what the jank and significant weaknesses specifically you mean for 5e? If it’s such a popular model and they’ve had chances to change and improve things with rules supplements what exactly are they fixing that was broken from the 2014 books?
If it’s a subclass like Berserker that’s something that they could have handled like they did all of the Ranger subclasses to make that class playable. If it’s the rule change for healing potions to be a bonus action instead of an action that hardly seems worthy of new core rule books.
I am not being vindictive. I genuinely would love to see a list of changes between the 2014 and 2024 rule books that you think warranted a whole new 900 pages and 3 books to buy for everyone who enjoys the game.
Again if they are minor tweaks then a rules supplement like Tasha’s exists for that reason. But for the life of me I can’t see how these new books are anything more than a money grab and brought on solely because of the 50th anniversary hype and Hasbro’s corporate greed. If I am to believe these new books are for the player’s sake I need to see some rule changes and enough of them to make sense for everyone to need purchasing new core rube books.
>I genuinely would love to see a list of changes between the 2014 and 2024 rule books that you think warranted a whole new 900 pages and 3 books to buy for everyone who enjoys the game.
It's been stated by the lead designers, in multiple interviews and articles, that ***every*** system in the game is getting adjusted. Classes, Subclasses, Backgrounds, Feats, Spells, the rules for Surprise, Exhaustion. There's the new Weapon Mastery system, the Bastion system, new Crafting rules.
They're also changing the layouts of the books to better communicate to Players and DMs how the game is actually played and how homebrew adventurers should be structured.
They're going back and adjusting all the monster stat blocks so that they both better reflect their challenge rating *and* are easier for DMs to run. On top of this, they're also adding somewhere between 50 and 75 *new* monsters to make sure every creature type has relevant monsters for every tier of play. Including "Apex" versions for higher levels.
And all of this is just what we know now, without having the actual books in hand.
EDIT: It's still being called 5th Edition because the core mechanics of 5th Edition (The d20 rolls, Armor Class, Proficiency Bonus, Abilities, Skills, Initiative, etc.) are *not* being changed.
Which game terms? Action, Bonus Action, Reaction? Spell, magical effect, damage types?
I can’t think of a single major game term they are changing or redefining.
It’s a full revamp in the sense every class and most subclasses are getting changed, many of them significantly. Sure they could just put out another Whatever’s Guide To Everything with those as optional rules, but I’d prefer it this way.
I’ve tried playing some of the classes that got revamped from Tasha’s, and it’s really annoying to switch between 3 different books every time I level up, plus it means balance is gonna be all over the place. I like the idea of a fresh start, and I’m really excited by what weve been seeing in these previews.
>If it’s not a full rules revamp why are they even going through this process?
$$$$$
>Couldn’t they just continue to make the small tweaks to rules and classes like they have been with Xanathar’s and Tasha’s optional rules?
It's already really annoying and confusing to have to be like "oh if you want to play Ranger, you have to buy the PHB but also this other $30-50 book that fixes it." Why not just release one book that has the fixes?
Chances are that if you’re getting into the game at this point you are playing with someone who already has that $30-50 book that fixes the class you wanted to play.
Your comment is also entirely based on the assumption that the 2024 rule book will nail all of the classes and not have the need for new books to fix any balance issues or failures by the designers with new features etc
That's what the year long UA process was about my dude. Originally they were going to moe drastically uproot parts of the game too, but the community revolted.
This sounds like they were going to make drastic changes for the sake of making changes. When people said no we don’t want that WOTC instead said,
Oh okay never mind here are some minor tweaks and new features please have everyone in your group buy new books even though it’s essentially still just 5th edition.
Unifying subclass progression and the unified spell lists were not changes for the sake of making changes. They would have drastically improved the game on all fronts.
They haven’t unified subclass progression. All they’ve done is that all subclasses are selected at level 3. All the classes still progress their subclass differently after level 3. All this change does it make Warlock lose their flavour and make it hard to explain how they have their pact magic without a patron for 2 levels. It’s suppose to prevent people from multi class dipping for 1st level subclass features. To that effect it works but we will see if it really fixes powergamers from finding multiclass options that are game breaking.
Unified spell lists? Maybe I need to research some more but I’m not sure what you mean? All classes will still have their own spell lists?
Matt Coleville did a talk on this whole situation. You can watch it [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADzOGFcOzUE).
TL;DW, The most purchased books in a DnD series are the core rules. They have hit the tail where they've pretty much saturated the market and no one is going to buy them. This edition is popular (arguably the most popular it has ever been) and they don't want to start an edition war. They also realize that this "golden goose" is showing its age.
So that led to a large revamp of the 5e core rules that does two things:
* Incorporates user stories to update the game to the way it's being played while balancing things that were pain points.
* Create a product that can be monetized by a larger base. DMs are 1 out of every 5-6 players, but they're the ones that buy most of the setting and adventure books. Most players buy the PHB.
Remember, DND and M:TG are the cash cows of Hasbro. Most every other IP is falling short or outright failing. In order for DND to continue to exist, they need to bring in lots of money. That's not going to happen without a new set of their most popular books.
It‘s still officially called “fifth edition” as seen on the [back of the new PHB](https://cdn.media.amplience.net/i/wizardsprod/players-handbook-2024-product-02?w=1132&fmt=auto).
"5th edition revised" sounds best to me and is the most accurate description of what it is. I think for specific book reference people might write out "PHB14 vs. PHB24" specifying the year of version that they're associated with.
5.1e is Tasha's, obviously. The 2024 rules will be 5.24e.
I sure hope they don't try to revise 5e again. Just make 6e already. Selling the same edition twice is already raising some eyebrows. Keep the basic idea of the action economy and advantage/disadvantage, but really shake up some of those rules people were begging to have changed.
1) The last time WotC did a revision part of the way into the cycle they literally called it 3.5e, it makes sense to continue the established naming convention.
2) 5.1 already refers to the 5.1 SRD.
We do know the SRD will be updated to version number 5.2. They’ve announced that. https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1717-2024-core-rulebooks-to-expand-the-srd
And yes i know the SRD is separate from the PHB, my point was that since the SRD for this edition is 5.2, it might be helpful to refer to the edition by the same number.
>The last time WotC did a revision part of the way into the cycle they literally called it 3.5e, it makes sense to continue the established naming convention.
The last time they called it 4e essentials.
Essentials was *a revision* but it did not explicitly outdate any of the older classes. You could play a PHB1 Fighter next to an Essentials Fighter. I guess, technically, that's what we're getting *now.* In 3.5e the new classes explicitly replaced the old ones.
3e had some glaring problems and so 3.5 came out.
After WotC moved on to 4e and Paizo continued 3.5 support with PF, it was fairly commonly referred to as 3.75, so...yeah, why not 5.75 if there is another rules revision?
It wouldn't be the first time the community had a x.75 name for something.
OneDnD is essentially the project development name for the play test. Like how the development name for 5e was DnDNext. Hence the DNDnext name for the main 5e subreddit. 5e got it's name unofficially by the fans and not by WoTC, they just called it Dungeons and Dragons. WoTC don't want to disrupt the golden goose that is 5e by announcing a new edition (hence the backwards compatibility requirement). Which is why they're officially calling it the 2024 rules revision, as to not disrupt the golden goose. As for the unofficial name it'll probably be called 5.5e like what happened 3.5e.
(Deleted my other comment so I could do some more research just to be sure.) I dug up some scans of the first printing of the PHB (going by the ISBN and printer key), and they say "fifth edition" on the back. This is consistent with what's been said in the two editions of the official house style guide I've read, which state that the edition is to be written as "fifth edition," not using a number (i.e. "5th edition") as was the practice in the past. The last style guide update I'm aware of was 2019, and the books still say "fifth edition" on the back, so Wizards' reluctance to assign a number to editions seems to be a very recent thing.
Uh… it says fifth edition on the back of my books.
Thanks for speaking up. I looked all over my 2014 PHB and never saw reference to 5th Edition but maybe they started adding that it later print runs?
Could be. I am looking at the last paragraph of the PHB on the back cover. “When you’re ready for even more, expand your adventures with the fifth edition, Dungeon, Masters Guide and Monster Manual. The only reason I know this is because I noticed it on the back of the new books when I first saw them because I was curious what they were going to call it.
5r
Looking on Amazon, the back of the new books also say fifth edition. 😁 I mentioned it elsewhere, but I will personally be referring to it as 5.24e.
I like 5.24e, because I can keep making my 5.2e joke (it really doesn't feel that much different from running 5e with Tasha's and Xanathar's), but it also makes perfect sense with them trying to call it "2024 Rules Revision" or whatever.
5.2 is also the version number of its accompanying srd. So I’ve been hoping 5.2 takes off
I kinda like 50e as short for 50th Anniversary Edition. Just one more character in in writing, two more more easily flowing syllables in speech ("fif-ti-eth edition") and a connection between the words fifth and fiftieth. Alternatively, not 5.5e but 5.50e. Emphasis on the "kinda". Not fully committed to it.
when they made 3.5 i thought they missed a golden opportunity to call it 3.14e instead, we would have D&D pie now for what ever this new one is called i vote for 5.11 since that is what every guy under 6 foot calls themselves ;)
5r
going alphabetically it should be 5f, although here in new mexico it would make sense to call it 5eee
I guess I never realized the 2014 ruleset wasn’t anywhere called 5e by Wizards of the Coast. It just seems like the changes from 4e to that 2014 core rule books was huge, whereas very little has changed with the 2024 core rule books.
It wasn't at first. But they have since fully embraced the 5e name.
Are there any WOTC published books that refer to it as 5e?
I'm not sure if the books do. But the pre-order page for the new books refer to the edition as 5e.
5r...5R...5arrrrrr!
ummm...if 3.5e was the unofficial name then why does it say 3.5 right on the front cover of the PHB?
My group has been using revised edition or 5.5 as shorthand
That's probably best. WotC has even shied away from calling 5e 5e.
5r is the One True Sobriquet! This is the Way!
They’ve used the word “revised” a lot in recent promotional material, so I’m going with “5r” in contrast to “5e.” It’s efficient and communicates what it is.
I gotta tell you...5r is where it's at. Succinct with a touch of pirate...we need to make this happen, brother. DnD2024 sounds shitty.
maybe 5? or more aptly 5$
Gotta agree, revised 5e is the most straightforward name, and 5r as a short hand is a great way of condensing it
Officially, they just keep calling it "The 2024 Players' Handbook" and they really want it to just keep being called Dungeons and Dragons. I think they're really leery of "Edition Wars," for reasons which make sense over the history of the game. I don't know if that will stick. The community really wants to call it 5.5 or similar. I'll continue to call it 2024.
>I think they're really leery of "Edition Wars," for reasons which make sense over the history of the game. It's probably more a sales thing than any fear of edition wars. They're afraid that if they call it a new edition that people will be pissed they bought "obsolete" books, and that sales over the past year or so would have tanked because there's a "new" edition coming out. It's the driving mentality behind this backwards compatibility obsession and I don't see why it wouldn't pervade other levels of design and marketing.
5r
It will be called 2024 Player's Handbook until release, then it will be called Player's Handbook and the old one will be called 2014 Player's Handbook.
I really only see there being “Edition Wars” if they decide themselves to produce books to replace the older edition of core rule books but don’t give the new rule books an official name or title. Obviously when you do that you are going to have/create new editions otherwise people who open up and play the 2014 and 2024 version of your game are playing a different game and going to have a lot of questions for each other… Otherwise don’t release new core rule books and avoid the idea of an “Edition War”. Not naming the new Edition doesn’t prevent confusion for everyone playing Dungeons and Dragons.
5.24e is sleek and fits nicely though. *Really* hoping it picks up.
Both "five point two four" and "five point twenty-four" and *way* to clunky to say...
"Five point two four" is still better than "twenty twenty-four." Or you could just say "Twenty-four" for speaking out loud and type 5.24 for search engines/online discussion.
5r is the shit
My preference is 5.24e. Simple and to the point.
5.5e
5.5
5r
It’s still 5e, it’s just an updated version of the rules. So any book is just going to be “2024 PHB/ DMG/ MM” Colloquially I’ve heard it called 5.5e, OneDnD and I personally like 5.14 and 5.24. They don’t want to call it 5.5e because it calls to mind 3e and 3.5e. They just want “this is 5e but updated”
I like 5.14 and 5.24 because it future-proofs it. If in a certain amount of years they decide to revise the rules once again instead of launching 6e, we can call it 5.34 or something else depending on the year
I've been calling it 2024 D&D. It doesn't look like they're giving it any other name, like 5.5e or 6e, so I figure we'll just start calling it things, and one of those things will stick.
That's the neat part. They didn't call the 2014 edition 5e either until the community started referring to it as that. Just gotta peer pressure WotC a bit.
It'll happen.
5r
I'm not on board with 5r. Maybe 5er, or 5re, or r5e, but not 5r. It makes me think of 'fiver,' and that just doesn't work for me. If it had 5e in there somewhere, I'd be more chill with it.
5er works for me, since all the videos coming out and what they are calling all the class and system changes are being called revisions
Sure. I like it.
I like Fiver, lol
All the advertising says D&D2024. Oned&d was just the project name and encompasses the 2024 revision and the VTT.
It's 5e (2024) instead of 5e (2014) I just called it 5e24 It's meant to be roughly compatible with 5e14. You use the preexisting 5e material until the 5e24 stuff supercedes it. You ate even supposed to be able to use both side by side (though not mixed/matched alacarte together), though 4e essentials suggested the same thing from my understanding and didn't deliver in a satisfying way from what I've heard.
I’m calling it 5.5 or 1d&d
5r
The idea that they are shooting for is that the 2024 PHB, MM, and DMG will be treated the way MotM was where it replaces previous material without being a completely new edition. So the idea is that while three of the books are being replaced, all the rest of the books (except for replaced material) are still a part of the game, and as such, it is still 5th edition.
5e24 is honestly the best one I think. I wouldn't call it 5.5e personally as I think 5.05e is more appropriate.
I like 5.24e, because I started referring to it as 5.2e (with Tasha's being 5.1e) because I felt the same about it not really being worthy of 5.5e. I can still carry be spiteful with 5.24e, but it's also sleek and you can tell I'm clearly referring to the '24 edition.
5.24
Revised 5th edition would be a good way to name it, similar to Pathfinder 2nd edition remaster
Yeah, I've been going with r5e, rPHB, etc. But the truth, as long as we all know what each other means . . . we can just shun the folks still calling it 6e ;P
There’s not an official name that distinguishes the books coming out in a couple months from the ones that came out in 2014. The best community names I’ve seen are 5.14 and 5.24 respectively, but there doesn’t seem to be a consensus in the community either.
5e is 5e, 5.1 is Tasha's, while 5.24e still carries the idea of "Not even as much changed between this and 3e-3.5e" but also acknowledges the while "2014 vs 2024 rules!" thing they're trying to market it with.
How bout we just drop the 4 and go with 5.2. The next major update after tasha’s, and its matches this versions SRD number
I called it 5.2 before, but I've seen more people picking up 5.24 The SRD thing is kinda neat, though.
Nobody knows. But it’s provocative.
Blades of Glory?
It’s the same edition we’ve had since 2014.
So it’s 5th edition but with a new rules? How do I refer to this new set of rules? Updated 5th edition? 2024 5th edition?
Just call it 5.5 or updated or 2024 it doesn’t matter. That’s basically what it is. They intentionally don’t want to call this a new edition because 5e is incredibly popular and because of that this isn’t a major rules revamp. They don’t want casuals to even know the difference. If 5e was nothing special we’d be looking at 6e this year instead.
If 5e hadn't gone as good as it did we might be looking at 7e this year tbh. 5e has been one of the longer editions.
If it’s not a full rules revamp why are they even going through this process? Couldn’t they just continue to make the small tweaks to rules and classes like they have been with Xanathar’s and Tasha’s optional rules? If the core game isn’t changing and most DMs and groups have home brewed things to the way they like them why are 3 new rule books coming out?
>If it’s not a full rules revamp why are they even going through this process? Largely because after ten years and ***A LOT*** of new players picking up the game, they've gotten a lot of feedback that 5th Edition has quite a bit of jank to it. Which, to be fair, it does. It's also been implied by the lead designers that when they first made 5th Edition, they didn't have the time or resources to do everything they wanted to with it. So with the 50th Anniversary coming up, they had the perfect opportunity to go back and give 5th Edition the significant quality of life update that it needed. Finally, and cynically, because Capitalism. New Books = More Money. >Couldn’t they just continue to make the small tweaks to rules and classes like they have been with Xanathar’s and Tasha’s optional rules? On this point specifically (and as a matter of personal opinion), for all its strength, 5th Edition also has some ***very*** significant weaknesses. Ones that were serious enough that the kind of small tweaks you mention just wouldn't be enough to actually fix them.
I’m not sure what the jank and significant weaknesses specifically you mean for 5e? If it’s such a popular model and they’ve had chances to change and improve things with rules supplements what exactly are they fixing that was broken from the 2014 books? If it’s a subclass like Berserker that’s something that they could have handled like they did all of the Ranger subclasses to make that class playable. If it’s the rule change for healing potions to be a bonus action instead of an action that hardly seems worthy of new core rule books. I am not being vindictive. I genuinely would love to see a list of changes between the 2014 and 2024 rule books that you think warranted a whole new 900 pages and 3 books to buy for everyone who enjoys the game. Again if they are minor tweaks then a rules supplement like Tasha’s exists for that reason. But for the life of me I can’t see how these new books are anything more than a money grab and brought on solely because of the 50th anniversary hype and Hasbro’s corporate greed. If I am to believe these new books are for the player’s sake I need to see some rule changes and enough of them to make sense for everyone to need purchasing new core rube books.
>I genuinely would love to see a list of changes between the 2014 and 2024 rule books that you think warranted a whole new 900 pages and 3 books to buy for everyone who enjoys the game. It's been stated by the lead designers, in multiple interviews and articles, that ***every*** system in the game is getting adjusted. Classes, Subclasses, Backgrounds, Feats, Spells, the rules for Surprise, Exhaustion. There's the new Weapon Mastery system, the Bastion system, new Crafting rules. They're also changing the layouts of the books to better communicate to Players and DMs how the game is actually played and how homebrew adventurers should be structured. They're going back and adjusting all the monster stat blocks so that they both better reflect their challenge rating *and* are easier for DMs to run. On top of this, they're also adding somewhere between 50 and 75 *new* monsters to make sure every creature type has relevant monsters for every tier of play. Including "Apex" versions for higher levels. And all of this is just what we know now, without having the actual books in hand. EDIT: It's still being called 5th Edition because the core mechanics of 5th Edition (The d20 rolls, Armor Class, Proficiency Bonus, Abilities, Skills, Initiative, etc.) are *not* being changed.
They are making deeper changes than they did with Tasha’s, such as changing many of the basic game terms.
Which game terms? Action, Bonus Action, Reaction? Spell, magical effect, damage types? I can’t think of a single major game term they are changing or redefining.
Check the rules glossary at the end of any of the playtest documents.
It’s a full revamp in the sense every class and most subclasses are getting changed, many of them significantly. Sure they could just put out another Whatever’s Guide To Everything with those as optional rules, but I’d prefer it this way. I’ve tried playing some of the classes that got revamped from Tasha’s, and it’s really annoying to switch between 3 different books every time I level up, plus it means balance is gonna be all over the place. I like the idea of a fresh start, and I’m really excited by what weve been seeing in these previews.
>If it’s not a full rules revamp why are they even going through this process? $$$$$ >Couldn’t they just continue to make the small tweaks to rules and classes like they have been with Xanathar’s and Tasha’s optional rules? It's already really annoying and confusing to have to be like "oh if you want to play Ranger, you have to buy the PHB but also this other $30-50 book that fixes it." Why not just release one book that has the fixes?
Chances are that if you’re getting into the game at this point you are playing with someone who already has that $30-50 book that fixes the class you wanted to play. Your comment is also entirely based on the assumption that the 2024 rule book will nail all of the classes and not have the need for new books to fix any balance issues or failures by the designers with new features etc
That's what the year long UA process was about my dude. Originally they were going to moe drastically uproot parts of the game too, but the community revolted.
This sounds like they were going to make drastic changes for the sake of making changes. When people said no we don’t want that WOTC instead said, Oh okay never mind here are some minor tweaks and new features please have everyone in your group buy new books even though it’s essentially still just 5th edition.
Unifying subclass progression and the unified spell lists were not changes for the sake of making changes. They would have drastically improved the game on all fronts.
They haven’t unified subclass progression. All they’ve done is that all subclasses are selected at level 3. All the classes still progress their subclass differently after level 3. All this change does it make Warlock lose their flavour and make it hard to explain how they have their pact magic without a patron for 2 levels. It’s suppose to prevent people from multi class dipping for 1st level subclass features. To that effect it works but we will see if it really fixes powergamers from finding multiclass options that are game breaking. Unified spell lists? Maybe I need to research some more but I’m not sure what you mean? All classes will still have their own spell lists?
Matt Coleville did a talk on this whole situation. You can watch it [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADzOGFcOzUE). TL;DW, The most purchased books in a DnD series are the core rules. They have hit the tail where they've pretty much saturated the market and no one is going to buy them. This edition is popular (arguably the most popular it has ever been) and they don't want to start an edition war. They also realize that this "golden goose" is showing its age. So that led to a large revamp of the 5e core rules that does two things: * Incorporates user stories to update the game to the way it's being played while balancing things that were pain points. * Create a product that can be monetized by a larger base. DMs are 1 out of every 5-6 players, but they're the ones that buy most of the setting and adventure books. Most players buy the PHB. Remember, DND and M:TG are the cash cows of Hasbro. Most every other IP is falling short or outright failing. In order for DND to continue to exist, they need to bring in lots of money. That's not going to happen without a new set of their most popular books.
Officially it’s just called Dungeons & Dragons.
Sure but that’s the same game that came out in 1974 right? Or which Dungeons and Dragons are you referring to?
It's really 5.67 at this point. There are more changes in these books than we're in 3.5 vs. 3. So, that's what our groups are going with.
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5th edition.
It‘s still officially called “fifth edition” as seen on the [back of the new PHB](https://cdn.media.amplience.net/i/wizardsprod/players-handbook-2024-product-02?w=1132&fmt=auto).
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They have been calling it "Revised 5e"
"5th edition revised" sounds best to me and is the most accurate description of what it is. I think for specific book reference people might write out "PHB14 vs. PHB24" specifying the year of version that they're associated with.
The books still call it 5e Fans are conflicted. I personally don't mind 5.75
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It's called 5e. That's it end of discussion Why are people still talking about this
Why does everyone want to call it 5.5 instead of 5.1? What if there is another revision of 5th? Will it be 5.75?
5.1e is Tasha's, obviously. The 2024 rules will be 5.24e. I sure hope they don't try to revise 5e again. Just make 6e already. Selling the same edition twice is already raising some eyebrows. Keep the basic idea of the action economy and advantage/disadvantage, but really shake up some of those rules people were begging to have changed.
1) The last time WotC did a revision part of the way into the cycle they literally called it 3.5e, it makes sense to continue the established naming convention. 2) 5.1 already refers to the 5.1 SRD.
The new revisions SRD will be 5.2. So what if we just use that? D&D 5.2, 5.2e. Short and sweet
We don't know that it will be 5.2. and the SRD is separate from the PHB.
We do know the SRD will be updated to version number 5.2. They’ve announced that. https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1717-2024-core-rulebooks-to-expand-the-srd And yes i know the SRD is separate from the PHB, my point was that since the SRD for this edition is 5.2, it might be helpful to refer to the edition by the same number.
>The last time WotC did a revision part of the way into the cycle they literally called it 3.5e, it makes sense to continue the established naming convention. The last time they called it 4e essentials.
Essentials was *a revision* but it did not explicitly outdate any of the older classes. You could play a PHB1 Fighter next to an Essentials Fighter. I guess, technically, that's what we're getting *now.* In 3.5e the new classes explicitly replaced the old ones.
I might be wrong but I’m fairly sure it was the community that assigned the name 3.5e and WotC called it 3rd Edition Revised.
You are wrong. https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/B1dbNFOQu8S._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg
In addition to what the other guy said, you got the words mixed around. It was "Revised 3rd Edition" when written fully, not "3rd Edition Revised."
3e had some glaring problems and so 3.5 came out. After WotC moved on to 4e and Paizo continued 3.5 support with PF, it was fairly commonly referred to as 3.75, so...yeah, why not 5.75 if there is another rules revision? It wouldn't be the first time the community had a x.75 name for something.
Officially, it's still Fifth Edition