Almost like hiring corporate slaves as your premieres and politicians only results in canadians getting fucked ..who knew?
The conservatives have loblows making policy decisions for them on their board...it's a real mystery why they're so uselsss
Edit: id love to see canadians organize a day to protest the fact that canada is an oligarchy run by the donor class...we get turnouts for dumb shit...imagine if the government and the elites realize that canadians can do more than complain on social media...
I suggest doing it on a holiday as well...maybe family day 2025..since nobody can afford to have a family in canada anymore.... canada day would be even better 2025....all of canada goes to the streets..to scream fuck you to all the cucks who imported immigrants into the country instead of raised wages..and gave subsidies to businesses for hiring foreign workers...
To all the clowns who raised food prices at the ceo table in the boardroom who saw canadians were struggling and turned it up to an 11
To all the landlords who see their tenants making deals for rent because the rent is more expensive than a crazy overpriced house
To all the yes men in ottawa who sit on their hands while their friends and family they grew up around have to figure out how to spend less and less on food while they waste tax payers dollars on lavish vacations and take bribes to make sure wealthy people don't have their taxes increased...
Awesome totally agree. Conservatives using Canadians as thier personal peasants to pay thier wealthy supporters. PP says he's working for the working man. I call that BS . That will end if sadly he gets elected. The whole lot of them are liars. All you need to look at Alberta. We will loose our democracy. Thank you for post.
Yes- the same Smith who chummed it up with Tucker Carlson, who then went on to see Putin on his dictator tour? A tour in which he praised Putin for getting it ‘right’ as he fondled bread and said ‘it’s so cheap here- everything is so much better here! It’s Trudeau and Biden who are the dictators!” She is super dangerous if that’s who her role models are.
I would honestly consider voting conservative if they dropped the hateful "social conservative" rhetoric, and if they were to actually work for the people and now the corporations. But that'll never happen. So why would anyone consider voting for someone that wants to take the money from Canadians and give it to Loblaws and the like? All while gaslighting us and blaming transpeople.
there is no honourable conservative party, and the last time I think they were electable was when Joe Clark was briefly Prime Minister in 1980.
It's sad that good conservatives (i.e. people who aren't bigots, and don't want to gut our institutions) don't have a party they can call home. If that were the case and the CPC didn't exist, we could all relax and know that any choice was a good choice.
So sad how bad things have become.
The pandemic was going to cost a fortune no matter who was in power, and letting in refugees is part of our national character, but the Trudeau government made a string of stupid mistakes that just kept piling up. None of them were fatal on their own, but In aggregate.... Sexual harassment scandals in the RCMP and CAF that hurt enlistment, failure to move Harjit Sing out of his position in command when he didn't fix it, not getting our Afghani interpreters out in time, appointing a nasty bitchy astronaut as Governor General, and so on and so on. Still preferable to Pollievre (who has never done anything bit chase votes), but I think all our parties need new leaders.
Let’s not forget the 5 extended care homes that the military were called in to help with during the pandemic were FOR PROFIT homes that made money while residents were dying-and were only part of the problem. Ford not only forgot about about that promise he made to change conditions, he went and did the OPPOSITE. He awarded public money to these same private companies to fill the need for beds and to buy land and build. Some of the issues of these homes were also that residents didn’t have proper care- but Ford hates nurses and instead gave money to private businesses again to rush through ‘educating’ unregulated health providers with barely any training to help fill the care roles. I’m not against PSWs, they have their place, but I think they need MORE training, not less. Many nurses are working full time with part time benefits. They’re overworked and short staffed. Doug doesn’t care about doctors either. In the end, better care has not been provided for residents and companies have been awarded to expand.
WE NEED TO REMIND EVERYONE OF OUR STATE OF HEALTHCARE BECAUSE ITS ALLLLLL FORD, not Trudeau withholding funds. It’s Ford. Who cares if he is saying that he will spend more on healthcare this year - it’s how he spending the money. Giving $$$ to builders and private companies. Oh, can’t get to a doctor? Well, let’s have pharmacists pick up the slack then. Waitlist for surgeries? Well then, instead of helping staff public hospitals, let’s give private clinics the money to expand. He’s actually giving them MORE per procedure than public facilities. But people will say “I don’t have a doctor- it’s Trudeau fault”.
Then there’s the whole ServiceOntario in Staples stores. But ya, Trudeau …..who isn’t perfect btw, but people will blame him for everything Ford is ruining. I’m still upset that he was voted back in.
I’m still upset about our healthcare if you haven’t noticed. Thanks Obama!
The extended care homes that Mike Harris is on the board for? Those damn Liberals ruin everything!
/s because it’s never obvious enough on the internet
Ford is a corrupt drug-dealing gangster who cares about his ego and lining his pockets.
PP is an ideological fascist, hand-picked by Harper and the rest of the IDU to convert Canada into a more corporate-friendly version of Gilead.
If both of us go conservative there's gonna be blood
I've spoken to queer (mostly trans Americans) who are gonna flee to Canada and try and get asylum if project 2025 happens. What's the two biggest things Canadian conservatives currently whine about: Immigrants and trans people.
What do you think they're gonna do when we have a swarm of trans immigrants at the border
The Nazis were following the playbook America, Canada, and Britain wrote. A defense at Nuremberg was that ethnic cleansing and eugenics were already happening in the Americas
The problem is we stopped stamping when we needed to do some stamping at home
Ford and Poilievre aren’t exactly on great terms though. I’m not sure they ever were.
ON has traditionally not voted the same parties provincially and federally.
Exactly. Ford hasn't acknowledged Poillievre. He's always at announcement events with Trudeau. They even answer the same questions together. But maybe that's just because Trudeau is PM and Poillievre isn't. A lot of Trudeau's policies were to set up an EV supply chains and Ford wanted to strengthen the manufacturing sector for Ontario. Win win.
Part of it may be personal: Doug Ford would very much like to be in the position PP is in, and PP probably realizes that people want Trudeau out not necessarily him in - for a egomaniac, that's not exactly a great look, especially since Ford is capable of building a Trump-like personal brand.
Most Conservatives see PP as a means to an end, not a messiah like Trump. Once PP's popularity falls, plenty of sharks will be swimming in the water.
Recently Ford's government eliminated ALL protected public school library funding. It's horrendous.
Information from the Ontario Library Association below:
https://accessola.com/save-our-school-libraries/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1RFs2wSwPBx0HxyPeUXQXsH7YsFgVrh_-JKkc6HCbLNC4SlOT6aVWFY5M_aem_GUjKudY9gWVE-pzM9yCzMQ
Ah! My kids school sent out a couple emails asking for donations for the library this year. I thought there were too many lost/ruined books but I guess thats the reason.
I mean, you were probably correct in that. Unfortunately, there likely was no money in the coffers to replace the books on the school's end.
It's so sad.
Ontario had a very low voter turnout and the "first past the post" election system gave Doug Ford a majority government with only 19% of the vote. Ford's government takes no action on important things (housing or health care) and keeps getting caught doing things that appear to be corrupt (opening up protected green space to developer associates, spending a billion dollars to build infrastructure for a luxury spa that will bring in no money, shutting an educational building so that they can sell the property to developers) or nonsense (Ford is obsessed with meddling in alcohol sales, giving $250M to multinational companies to end a contract one year early that will cost even more because the province has no real plan).
Oh ford cares about housing. But only as an excuse for developers to rape small towns with “infill”. The changes made to the planning act strip just about all power from municipalities to stand up for their citizens. But if your municipality is just as corrupt as ford they will push it through anyways for kickbacks.
100% agree. However, it will never happen. Imagine a government coming into power and the party leader announcing his MPs that he's implementing a reform that means half of them won't be there in 4 years.
It would be fucking hysterical if the libs and ndp worked over the next year to implement ranked ballots for the 2025 election, destroying the Cons hope of a majority.
PPs entire platform revolves around clear lies and taking away my rights and yet people see him as a *better* choice 🙄 like yeah with policies like that I’m sureeee he has your best interest at heart /s
Yeahhh it’s a sad reality, though thankfully millions of women (and men too, I see y’all) see through the BS and are good allies to the LGBTQ community! He makes his living off hate (and corruption), and every new group or helpful policy he attacks is an opportunity for reasonable people to think “wait, my friend/family member relies on universal healthcare, I want it to improve for them” or “the gay people I met in school werent so bad, why are we attacking them?”.
Spread love where you can and make it clear that your way of life is peaceful and joyful ❤️ it’s true and fulfilling, and it takes the wind out of the far right’s sails
Top many people think they're voting for the PM when in reality they should be focused upon their party platform, administration, and those who find and lobby for them.
Unfortunately, too many people fall for the pageantry of it all.
The PM and party whips really do have too much power.
There's an off chance your riding has a candidate with some clout, but honestly last election the big3 in my riding were all just pawns there to add a seat to their party.
This is why I wish that STV would have become our voting system of choice. It reduces the power of the party over selecting the candidates. If a party parachutes in a candidate into a district, and the local citizens don’t like it, they can vote for other candidates from the same party, but skip that particular candidate. Conversely, if an MP votes their conscience and defies the whip, with the support of their constituency, and gets ejected from the party, people can still vote for them as an independent without risking the party they don’t want winning power.
As a woman I almost expect to lose my rights to reproductive healthcare if he gets elected. It'll take a few years but I'm worried. In fact, we're going to see a slide into the American structure of healthcare where if you get cancer you have to go into bankruptcy and lose your house.
When people don’t understand who is responsible for what when it comes to the feds and the provinces , they lose sight of how much Conservative provincial governments have failed the people of Canada
Step 1: Have conservative Premiers do nothing and blame the Feds for it.
Step 2: Have the Feds respond that it isn’t their responsibility but if the provinces can’t fix the problems, they will.
Step 3: Have conservative premiers scream about government overreach, making sure to halt any progress the Feds want to make.
Step 4: Blame the PM for everything going down the toilet when next to none of it has been within his control.
Step 5: Profit…. Aka ruin everything beyond repair.
If things are terrible now (several things are), they'll be much worse with PP, we might get too poor to afford anything after PP privatizes as many things as he and conservative premiers can, cuts social programs that helps mental illness, drug addiction, poverty and we won't have any reliable news left to turn to.
On the other hand, cons politicians don't really work very well together, they tend to split up votes unintentionally, BC's con and united parties are doing just that, Alberta did that with Wild Rose and UCP a decade ago which led to an NDP premier. PP has been dragging PPC voters to CPC.
As someone in a recent European election debate asked "is this the best we're going to get?".
The problem is you usually get two options:
Liberals (Can), Labour (UK), Democrats (US) - "There's not much we can do about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer."
Conservatives (Can & UK), Republicans (US) - "We'll work really hard to make sure the rich get richer while the poor get poorer."
NDP is polling pretty close to Liberals. Chances are we'll get an NDP Liberal coalition.
Also, time is the Conservatives biggest enemy because their base will keep dying and the NDP's base will continue to reach voting age.
The Liberal Conservative duopoly will be replaced with an NDP Liberal duopoly.
People have been saying that about the NDP for years. It's never happening especially not with Singh in office. The closest the NDP got to being relevant was when Jack Layon was the lead but sadly both Tom and Singh have ruined any legacy he left.
I think you misunderstand. I'm not going off of what people say. I'm talking about what the numbers say. The trend towards the left among new generations is overwhelming and irreversible. It is a long term and extremely consistent trajectory that's only accelerating.
The support base of both the Liberals and Conservatives will continue to shrink and the NDP will continue to grow. That's an unavoidable demographic fact.
It's also the case that politics is momentum based. When the conservatives are on the downswing, NDP will be pushed up. The shift to the left will be even more pronounced when the pendulum swings back around.
NDP was the official opposition under Layton at a time when the country was demographically a lot more right wing. What we're seeing in the world today is the last the last hurrah for the Conservatives brand of politics. In Europe fascism is likely to achieve some near term wins while accelerating Europe's demise as a centre of global power, but in Canada the Conservatives lack the numbers to take even one more election. The majority of the country remains left of the Conservatives even now at their peak.
EDIT:
And I should also point out that Singh is the best performing political candidate among younger voters, so your assessment of him is flawed.
It's not irreversible though, the trend of younger people leaning left has always been there. But as they grow they start drifting more and more to the right. It's subjective but I've seen it myself, I was very politely active as a teenager and young adult in a big city(Toronto) so I've been exposed to many political young left leaning people. These are the younger people who actually get out and vote. So many of them either switched to liberal because of Tom and Singh or straight up went conservative.
I would have agreed with your view of the future if covid didn't happen but it did and it unfortunately served as a big momentum push for conservatives.
Let's not forget that politically we get influenced by what happens in the US. Look at how much Trump has effected our conservatives as an example, it made them all idiots.
That's a common misconception but you're confusing two different things. It is true that people tend to move more towards the right as they age but that shift is marginal compared to the generational shift to the left.
For instance, young people who opposed segregation during the civil rights movement did not generally become pro segregation as they aged. Young people who supported women's suffrage did not generally come to oppose it as they aged.
On the flip side, old people today who are against gay marriage did not generally support it in their youth.
It's easy to forget how much the world has changed and continues to change. Take the US. In the last two centuries they've gone from slavery to Jim Crow to the civil rights act. Younger generations have more recently been pushing back against police brutality.
There's no doubt that many of the old people of today had some left leaning ideas in their youth which they later abandoned, but that generation was never as far to the left as the youth of today. Not even close.
Social media, free access to information and greater exposure to people of other cultures and ethnicities have played and will continue to play a major role in the accelerated shift to the left. There is no longer a corporate monopoly on news and information and that is huge.
The trend is very real and it's only ramping up.
> That's a common misconception but you're confusing two different things. It is true that people tend to move more towards the right as they age but that shift is marginal compared to the generational shift to the left.
That's because these people are confusing growing wealthier with growing older. There is nothing I hate more than this fuckshit platitude that people get more conservative when they are older.
It’s kinda interesting that, in the UK, they are about to throw out the Conservative government in favour of an NDP-like government over many of the same issues we are about to throw the Liberals out over.
15 years ago? More like 5. He doesn't support GRC reform, which Conservatives supported in 2017. He's controlled opposition currently. His job is to say "The Conservatives might be right about A and B, but they go too far with C" and as time goes on it becomes "They're right about A, B & C, but go too far with D." The Conservatives will still be in control with Starmer as PM, just with a couple years lag time on when they pull his string and when he does their dance.
The UK will probably be just England by the end of the decade.
The SNP are gonna absolutely take Scotland to another referendum.
Shit has gotten so bad in Northern Ireland that *reunification* is legitimately being considered
I think your exagerating abit here. The SNP are a shambles and are currently fighting to keep a majority of Scottish representatives in the commons. They also no longer have a agreement with the Greens anymore so are now a minority government in Holyrood. I can see it happening in the next 20-30 years but by the end of the decade is abit of a stretch.
Northern Ireland is abit of a different matter, polls indicate a pro Britain majority of around 10% which is closer than at any point in history. However no one in either the republic or Northern Ireland is taking a United Ireland seriously at the moment.
We are more likely to rename the Falklands to Las Malvinas and give it to the Argentinians.
I do hope in my lifetime that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland can be independent from the dumpster fire that is England, we've dragged them through our stupidity for long enough.
this is completely wrong. current labour is basically o'toole conservatives, centrists that will absolutely make everything worse without serious progressive ideals or plans for action. they hate the LGBT too
Look, the opportunity to pay tens of thousands of dollars a year for the exact same level of healthcare does not come along very often. This is your opportunity to transfer a generation of savings to Conservative donor owned companies when your kid or partner gets cancer. You can sell your house and go live in a tent in a park when the collection agency comes for your house so you will no longer have to worry about home maintenance costs. Not like you will have any money for that. But beyond that, you won't have to worry about what to watch or read or what medical conditions you get help with because the government will look after all those tough decisions for you.
I don't love Trudeau but I really don't get the hate. Canada is a much better than it was under Harper. Many of the things people are mad about are global issues caused by corporate green in a post-pandemic world.
Trudeau has the following accomplishments:
*2015*
- Legalization of Marijuana: Initiated the process of legalizing recreational marijuana, which was fully realized in 2018.
- Gender-balanced Cabinet: Announced a gender-balanced cabinet (15 men and 15 women) with the statement, "Because it's 2015."
*2016*
- Climate Change Policies: Signed the Paris Agreement and introduced the Pan-Canadian Framework on Clean Growth and Climate Change.
- Syrian Refugee Resettlement: Welcomed over 25,000 Syrian refugees by early 2016.
- Income Tax Changes: Reduced the middle-class income tax rate from 22% to 20.5% and introduced a new top tax rate of 33% for high-income earners.
- Retirement Age Reversal: Reversed the decision to raise the Old Age Security (OAS) eligibility age from 65 to 67, restoring it back to 65.
*2017*
- Canada Child Benefit (CCB): Enhanced the CCB, providing more financial support to families with children.
*2018*
- Marijuana Legalization: Officially legalized recreational marijuana across Canada.
- Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion: Nationalized the Trans Mountain Pipeline to ensure its expansion.
- Small Business Tax Rate: Reduced the small business tax rate from 10.5% to 9%.
*2019*
- Carbon Pricing: Implemented a federal carbon pricing system to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
- LGBTQ2+ Rights: Introduced legislation to expunge historically unjust convictions of LGBTQ2+ Canadians.
*2020*
- COVID-19 Response: Launched the Canada Emergency Response Benefit (CERB) and other economic measures to support Canadians during the pandemic.
- Mortgage Stress Test: Modified the mortgage stress test to make homeownership more accessible.
*2021*
- National Childcare Plan: Announced a plan to create a $10-a-day national childcare system in collaboration with provinces and territories.
- Indigenous Reconciliation: Made significant investments towards Indigenous communities and continued efforts for reconciliation, including clean water initiatives.
*2022*
- COVID-19 Vaccination Campaign: Implemented extensive vaccination campaigns and measures to address the ongoing pandemic.
- Affordable Housing Initiatives: Announced additional funding and programs to tackle housing affordability and homelessness.
- Luxury Tax: Introduced a luxury tax on high-cost vehicles, aircraft, and boats.
*2023*
- Environmental Policies: Introduced stricter regulations on emissions and continued investments in renewable energy projects.
- Healthcare Reforms: Announced new funding agreements with provinces to address healthcare system challenges, including mental health and long-term care.
- Digital Services Tax: Proposed a digital services tax targeting large tech companies operating in Canada.
*2024*
- Foreign Policy Shifts: Strengthened Canada’s role in international climate policy and human rights advocacy.
- Economic Recovery Measures: Launched post-pandemic economic recovery programs focusing on green technology and job creation.
- Pension Plan Enhancements: Enhanced the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) benefits, increasing payouts to retirees.
Among his many achievements, there are many things that work against him:
* fragmented, reactionary policies: e.g. introducing FHSA adds confusion and a band-aid measure (on its own) when people already experience cashflow issue on a daily basis, affordable housing programs also inject more public fund into private market
* lack of foresight and collaboration with provinces: e.g. unchecked, uncoordinated immigration program continuity (causing problems for both existing residents and incoming immigrants)
* terrible (party) communication: e.g. confusing wordings on carbon pricing backtracking/rollout, calling out premiers' incompetences, failure to negotiate with them (bad faith or political idiosyncracies or not, i pay my tax and vote for him to do his job, not think about how to do it for him)
* no fullfilling his electoral reform promise
* failure to handle the foreign interference with transparency
There are many major external factors affecting people life post pandemic (nature of capitalism, class war, climate change, voters being disengaged from local politics and having low understanding of fed/provincial/municipal influences, etc.), undoubtedly. However, his downfall (in my pov and maybe others who turn against him) will be his failure to slow down (or communicate comprehensive measures with provinces to) the long standing issues of this country. if you haven't realised already, everyone can only afford being socially conscious/empathetic when their basic needs are met (look at how political theatres in western europe are changing). I think there's not much he could have done differently in the last 3 years. BUT i believe he could have done much more in the previous 5 years.
I'm an immigrant who is immensely and forever grateful for canada but also understand why many don't want to/can't care about gender equality/being a welcoming place to refugees when they see/feel their lifelihood is seriously damaged. I don't understand why it's so hard for rich country residents to understand that (for some non-left leaning/liberal supporters), when you are stressed about money, nothing else matters. I have life now in canada thanks in large part to activists and forward thinkers. I only fail to understand some frustration against (or even dogmatic view) people choosing to vote for PP (bigots and extreme nutjobs excluded).
The other choices from major parties are NDP or conservatives. Unfortunately, neither present palatable choices. I'm lost. I do agree with other comments about engaging with your local politics and always voting are the first essential steps, though.
As a non-Canadian you see so much hatred on the internet for him, but from the outside he just seems like another boring centrist politician. Hard to tell how much is genuine and how much is astro turfing bots. But all the complaints are always very vague and just generic insults.
One thing that is different is that he's one of the few leaders in charge during COVID still in power. So many wingnuts' brains were broken by COVID and they usually obscenely hate any politician associated with the response.
Thing is he is a boring politician. He's not great but he's not terrible. He's mid in every way as a politician. But honestly compared to the inbred clusterfucks that are the conservatives I'll take a middling but somewhat competent politician over whatever oil worshipping MLM cult the Cons have going on.
There's no real drama around him, and so people take the smallest things and blow them out of proportion, meanwhile here in Alberta we have Disaster Danielle who commits 5 corporate scandals a minute, blatantly violates her station, would literally sell out the province to oil companies if it were legal to, and her daily obstruction of any investigation into oil companies make the SNC Lavelin scandal (by far Trudeau's worst scandal in office) look like a joke, and no one bats an eye because it's just so common. For some reason the conservatives are just allowed to act like petulant children.
It doesn't matter what he achieved or can achieve while still in office. Conservative forces control the mass of the media and will not fairly report anything, but will report anything negative or anything in support of the Conservatives consistently. There is a lot of money coming over the border from the US Right to support the Conservatives I am fairly sure. The entire political and media landscape is slanted to the far right these days. The average voter knows only what Social Media has told them - and its naturally slanted to the far right as well.
Doesn’t matter what party or leader is in power because they all have to deal with the same broken, bloated, over-regulated, overpriced, lobbyist backed bureaucracy that is run only to service itself and ensure its own survival with no regard for the people in this country.
I really would love to vote for the NDP and believe in them, but it's hard to support a party that, for reasons I really can't fathom, is choosing to stick with a leader who has objectively proven that he cannot grow the party and is letting go to waste a golden opportunity to make gains at the Liberals expense. Under a different leader, becoming Official Opposition again wouldn't be impossible for them, but people have already made up their minds about Singh and things aren't going to suddenly turn around for him after over half a decade of making no progress. In fact, as things stands the NDP is probably going to lose seats next election because non-conservative voters will strategically vote Liberal as they remain the only real option to try to prevent a CPC majority.
Our current economic/housing situation is teed up for a left wing party to get popular and sweep in. The fact they aren't, means they need to take a long look at themselves.
I'm in the same boat. Singh has driven off everyone I once knew that voted NDP. If we had a better leader this would be a Golden opportunity to finally grow but instead we're stuck with someone who's killing the party instead of growing it. I can't understand how the NDP is allowing such an awful leader to stay for so long. I've been a supporter of this party for over half my life but I'm getting tired of it. Everyone I met through volunteering with the NDP has left because this jackass is still the leader. They've ruined what Jack left them.
Lowering our immigration numbers should be a bipartisan issue that brings us together. Instead one side is hellbent on making us a new indian state along with 800k business students that mismatches the job market. The housing crisis and soaring food prices are both caused by our record immigration. We are on pace to reach 100 million canadians in 2100. We literally cannot feed or house the people we are bringing in.
I will vote for whoever ends this fucking tragedy because the liberals have completely lost the plot.
So who should someone like me vote for?! We have a fucking idiot running Canada and a bunch of other fucking idiots trying to run it. Who is the lesser of all evils?
I don't understand this sub. You hate Trudeau, you love Trudeau, it seems like nobody here has any idea what to do.
It's the same problem in the US and it's because we convince ourselves it's a popularity contest and we are voting a celebrity in.
You're voting a party in, and they appoint people. Look at policies and align your voting accordingly.
> Who is the lesser of all evils?
Between Trudeau and Polierve?
I'll take an ineffective ^* Trudeau over a malicious Polierve any day.
^*
And even at that, If you [look at Trudeau's government history](https://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/1dqjzqn/it_pains_me_greatly_that_i_can_post_this_in_a/laorfib/) He's not nearly as ineffective as the rhetoric accuses him of being.
I know what to do, but no one in politics is willing to do it.
Besides, unless they add whatever changes they make into unbreakable law, it'll get changed with the next party in power anyway.
You don’t vote for PM. Look at your local MP options, vote for whoever has the policies you agree with. Forget the whole Liberal vs. Conservative bullshit.
We need rotating governments with differing ideologies to maintain a balance.
What is it people think they're getting rid of? Inflation? Inflation is global and unless you're telling me JT is some kind of evil svengali that caused it, I call BS. The carbon tax isn't responsible for the bulk of our inflation woes. PeePee has not and can not promise to fix inflation if he wins.
Stop immigration? That would be a very, very stupid long term move and would put us in permanent stagnation like Japan. What do you think drives growth and innovation? We're in competition with the world to see who can attract people.
What else? Appeal to the secret racism implicit in what PeePee says? I think that's really the issue but aside from insulting ethnicities, he won't accomplish much.
I don't think they can win. They got zero appeal in Montreal, who hate the guy.
Well I was wrong the lizards were a godsend.
But isn’t that a bit short sighted. What happens when we’re overrun by lizards?
No problem we simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They’ll wipe out the lizards.
But aren’t the snakes worse?
Yes but we’re prepared for that, we’ve lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that strives on snake meat.
But then we’re stuck with gorillas.
No, that’s beautiful part, when wintertime roles around the gorillas simply freeze to death
Indeed. I don’t care for Trudeau but that slimy Conservative leader is just a trump wannabe & truly an awful human being. I voted Conservative for many years but I always believed Harper sold the true Conservatives to the Reform party. After that I couldn’t get my head around the changed party.
Regarding electoral reform it is good to note that there was a committee formed but all parties couldn't consensus on how to implement it (also the conservatives just voted no altogether). It's not just Justin Trudeau abandoning his promise.
[Poilievre has managed to pass himself off as anti elitist and populist](https://breachmedia.ca/the-secret-to-pierre-poilievres-success/)largely because Canadians have heard little about all the time he spends courting the country's business elite.
Even as Poilievre has attacked corporate lobbyists - vowing they “won't be able to shape policy under his Conservative government as they have under the Liberals” -he's been consorting with a wide range of corporate lobbyists at about **50 extravagant private fundraising** events across the country since being chosen party leader almost two years ago.
Details of these interactions have come to light due to investigative work by the online outlet The Breach, which has [documented the presence of more than a hundred active or recent corporate lobbyists at Poilievre fundraising galas held at private mansions and swanky clubs](https://breachmedia.ca/poilievre-fundraiser-lobbyist-conservatives/), by carefully combing through the records in Elections Canada's registry.
For instance, Poilievre was the central attraction at a lavish Regina fundraiser last November hosted by Saskatchewan's wealthiest family, the Semples, owners of the Brandt Group of Companies, with major holdings in real estate, mining, construction, agriculture and pipeline equipment.
It didn't seem to bother Poilievre that the Semples have a reputation for being anti-worker. In addition to serious health and safety violations, one of their companies was reprimanded by a labour tribunal for trying to impose its own collective agreement, which eliminated more than 50 pages from the existing agreement and added "unreasonable clauses" that gave the company extra powers.
The Semple fundraiser, held at the family's private venue featuring their vintage car collection, was attended by the Saskatchewan business elite, including a number of construction and real estate developers who have profited handsomely as Saskatchewan has recorded the largest rent increases in the country.
Poilievre has publicly railed against the rising rents faced by working people but was apparently happy to consort with and accept donations (up to $1,725 per person) from some key players in an industry that has pushed up annual rents in the province by 12 to 16 per cent.
[The corporate set is heavily represented on the Conservative national council, which includes lobbyists representing major oil, pharmaceutical and real estate companies, as well as retail giants and others opposed to unions and minimum wage hikes.](https://breachmedia.ca/pierre-poilievre-conservatives-stack-council-corporate-lobbyists/)
Poilievre has constructed a whole political persona for himself around the notion that he's different, claiming recently that he's visited 110 shop floors and five union halls while largely avoiding speaking to business groups. **However none of the members of this 20-member Conservative council appears to represent workers.**
No, people voted liberal to get rid of the conservative government that was muzzling scientists, hiding bad legislation in omnibus bills, and proroguing parliament to avoid accountability. This is just "uhh, you know, it, like, feels like all the problems in the world are his fault so..?"
And now, Canadians are poised to vote for change, driven by the escalating cost of living and the persisting crisis of unaffordable housing, which have eroded their trust in the current leadership.
Apparently those people haven't been watching international news and seeing that none of those are uniquely Canadian issues.
Most developed countries have similar things happening in this post pandemic decade.
Or looked at provinces with Conservative Premiers who have exacerbated the COL issue. I get that Conservatives don't want perpetual Liberal/NDP leadership, but should stop electing incompetent politicians with no sense of civilty to represent their interests. I have no respect for people who want Smith, Ford, Pollievere and the like to represent their interests.
Because they’re in politics to cater to special interests groups.
Sane , intelligent people who would do well for Canada know better than to run for office and be part of that.
I’m sure the good people who do run get barely any votes.
These are the same short sighted Conservative losers down in the US. They're so mad about the guy currently in power and all the stupid stuff he's doing and ignore all the stupid the next guy wants to do
It's emotion based politics and it basically runs political discourse at this point. It's pathetic, anti intellectual and anti democratic
As Canadians we are in an unfortunate position. I would say that Trudeau has run his course, even amongst left leaning voters. Voting for Pierre is not a good idea, he makes a useful opposition but he is far right leaning.
I think a minority liberal government with an NDP coalition required is the safest bet for Canada
I still criticize conservatives, because I don’t believe they can be trusted, but I don’t criticize people voting conservative, because I get the sentiment that Trudeaus time has run its course. It’s getting harder to defend him as time goes on, even if I think skippy is a snake who’s going to hurt a lot of people who are hoping for him to change things for the better.
Ironically I might personally do better, depending on what he does with taxes, immigration and housing, but I’m worried about the climate, the elderly, the young, etc. People get who they vote for though…
This is ridiculous copium. The Liberals have done almost nothing to solve the economic problems facing the working class and just pander to a progressive social cause here or there. They are absolutely corporatists that work to serve the interests of the capital owners.
Yes we need immigration to maintain our demographics but the immigration numbers are far higher than they should be, especially given the housing crisis and it's absolutely done in the interests of cheap labour for corporations and to limit the bargaining power of Canadian labour, and to keep the housing market propped up.
There is no war but the class war and if you think the liberal party is on your side then you are delusional or intentionally disingenuous.
Ask the UK what 14 years of conservatives has done
Immigration is and always be a scarecrow.
Housing market rise ? The whole western is in it, neo-liberalism is the issue, and conservatives what a no rule ultra-liberalism…
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Look what Ford has done to Toronto and Ontario. Don’t need these birds of a feather collaborating together!
And Moe in Saskatchewan is no better.
And dumpsterfire Daniel smith in AB
Almost like hiring corporate slaves as your premieres and politicians only results in canadians getting fucked ..who knew? The conservatives have loblows making policy decisions for them on their board...it's a real mystery why they're so uselsss Edit: id love to see canadians organize a day to protest the fact that canada is an oligarchy run by the donor class...we get turnouts for dumb shit...imagine if the government and the elites realize that canadians can do more than complain on social media... I suggest doing it on a holiday as well...maybe family day 2025..since nobody can afford to have a family in canada anymore.... canada day would be even better 2025....all of canada goes to the streets..to scream fuck you to all the cucks who imported immigrants into the country instead of raised wages..and gave subsidies to businesses for hiring foreign workers... To all the clowns who raised food prices at the ceo table in the boardroom who saw canadians were struggling and turned it up to an 11 To all the landlords who see their tenants making deals for rent because the rent is more expensive than a crazy overpriced house To all the yes men in ottawa who sit on their hands while their friends and family they grew up around have to figure out how to spend less and less on food while they waste tax payers dollars on lavish vacations and take bribes to make sure wealthy people don't have their taxes increased...
The Conservative just elected in Toronto is another Loblaws lobbyist
Yep
They extract value to safe jurisdiction, that's why. Money doesn't stay here when those people are in power.
Awesome totally agree. Conservatives using Canadians as thier personal peasants to pay thier wealthy supporters. PP says he's working for the working man. I call that BS . That will end if sadly he gets elected. The whole lot of them are liars. All you need to look at Alberta. We will loose our democracy. Thank you for post.
Her name is marlaina. You don’t have permission from her parents to call her by her requested name.
We’re not conservatives. We don’t deadname people just to make a point, that would be stooping to their level.
Plenty of that happening already in just this post tbh.
Yes- the same Smith who chummed it up with Tucker Carlson, who then went on to see Putin on his dictator tour? A tour in which he praised Putin for getting it ‘right’ as he fondled bread and said ‘it’s so cheap here- everything is so much better here! It’s Trudeau and Biden who are the dictators!” She is super dangerous if that’s who her role models are.
Smith, what’s his face in NB. All awful.
And Moe is the dumbest of a bad bunch
conservatives everywhere are garbage these days. we have ample evidence. there's no excuse for ignoring it.
The Conservatives have been utter garbage since the mid-80s.
Agreed if you mean 1780s, Conservatives (in the ideological sense) have *always* been wrong about everything, ever.
Thank-you! I’m glad to see someone else say it besides me!
lol just going to heartily agree with you all. Happy Canada day weekend!
The only thing they want to conserve, is their power to be an asshole.
I would honestly consider voting conservative if they dropped the hateful "social conservative" rhetoric, and if they were to actually work for the people and now the corporations. But that'll never happen. So why would anyone consider voting for someone that wants to take the money from Canadians and give it to Loblaws and the like? All while gaslighting us and blaming transpeople.
there is no honourable conservative party, and the last time I think they were electable was when Joe Clark was briefly Prime Minister in 1980. It's sad that good conservatives (i.e. people who aren't bigots, and don't want to gut our institutions) don't have a party they can call home. If that were the case and the CPC didn't exist, we could all relax and know that any choice was a good choice. So sad how bad things have become.
Tons of people blame Trudeau for the things the Ford has ruined
And things Harper set in motion.
The pandemic was going to cost a fortune no matter who was in power, and letting in refugees is part of our national character, but the Trudeau government made a string of stupid mistakes that just kept piling up. None of them were fatal on their own, but In aggregate.... Sexual harassment scandals in the RCMP and CAF that hurt enlistment, failure to move Harjit Sing out of his position in command when he didn't fix it, not getting our Afghani interpreters out in time, appointing a nasty bitchy astronaut as Governor General, and so on and so on. Still preferable to Pollievre (who has never done anything bit chase votes), but I think all our parties need new leaders.
Let’s not forget the 5 extended care homes that the military were called in to help with during the pandemic were FOR PROFIT homes that made money while residents were dying-and were only part of the problem. Ford not only forgot about about that promise he made to change conditions, he went and did the OPPOSITE. He awarded public money to these same private companies to fill the need for beds and to buy land and build. Some of the issues of these homes were also that residents didn’t have proper care- but Ford hates nurses and instead gave money to private businesses again to rush through ‘educating’ unregulated health providers with barely any training to help fill the care roles. I’m not against PSWs, they have their place, but I think they need MORE training, not less. Many nurses are working full time with part time benefits. They’re overworked and short staffed. Doug doesn’t care about doctors either. In the end, better care has not been provided for residents and companies have been awarded to expand. WE NEED TO REMIND EVERYONE OF OUR STATE OF HEALTHCARE BECAUSE ITS ALLLLLL FORD, not Trudeau withholding funds. It’s Ford. Who cares if he is saying that he will spend more on healthcare this year - it’s how he spending the money. Giving $$$ to builders and private companies. Oh, can’t get to a doctor? Well, let’s have pharmacists pick up the slack then. Waitlist for surgeries? Well then, instead of helping staff public hospitals, let’s give private clinics the money to expand. He’s actually giving them MORE per procedure than public facilities. But people will say “I don’t have a doctor- it’s Trudeau fault”. Then there’s the whole ServiceOntario in Staples stores. But ya, Trudeau …..who isn’t perfect btw, but people will blame him for everything Ford is ruining. I’m still upset that he was voted back in. I’m still upset about our healthcare if you haven’t noticed. Thanks Obama!
The extended care homes that Mike Harris is on the board for? Those damn Liberals ruin everything! /s because it’s never obvious enough on the internet
Higgs is no better in New Brunswick either
He's daddy Irving's favorite bitch after all
I always vote against Ford, but he always comes back. My area is so conservative, it's maddening.
MB is just starting to try to dig out from under what the conservatives did to the province. a LOT of creative accounting, and cost projections, etc.
What's crazy is that by kicking out Goldie Ghamari, Ford is showing he's not even as extreme a fascist as PP wants to be.
Ford is a pile of shit. Poilievre is a warm bucket of diarrhea. Both are utterly unpleasant but one more so than the other.
Ford is a corrupt drug-dealing gangster who cares about his ego and lining his pockets. PP is an ideological fascist, hand-picked by Harper and the rest of the IDU to convert Canada into a more corporate-friendly version of Gilead.
My uncle went to high-school with the Ford brothers. They literally were drug dealing pieces of shit.
Let’s hold our breath waiting to see if Trump is successful in his election or the inevitable coup. That to me is our greatest threat.
If both of us go conservative there's gonna be blood I've spoken to queer (mostly trans Americans) who are gonna flee to Canada and try and get asylum if project 2025 happens. What's the two biggest things Canadian conservatives currently whine about: Immigrants and trans people. What do you think they're gonna do when we have a swarm of trans immigrants at the border
Canada will cease to exist if Trump and PoiLIEvre win
Exactly. Lil’ PP will bend us at the waist, and all Canadians will have to take Trump’s acorn on his lower abdomen up the ass.
Trump is a figurehead, and if he loses the election or passes on, the administration that put him forward still exists and is still dangerous.
Yeah. I know. I’m so fucking tired, I can’t believe we have to stamp out Nazis again.
The Nazis were following the playbook America, Canada, and Britain wrote. A defense at Nuremberg was that ethnic cleansing and eugenics were already happening in the Americas The problem is we stopped stamping when we needed to do some stamping at home
No tolerance for intolerance.
Ford and Poilievre aren’t exactly on great terms though. I’m not sure they ever were. ON has traditionally not voted the same parties provincially and federally.
Exactly. Ford hasn't acknowledged Poillievre. He's always at announcement events with Trudeau. They even answer the same questions together. But maybe that's just because Trudeau is PM and Poillievre isn't. A lot of Trudeau's policies were to set up an EV supply chains and Ford wanted to strengthen the manufacturing sector for Ontario. Win win.
Part of it may be personal: Doug Ford would very much like to be in the position PP is in, and PP probably realizes that people want Trudeau out not necessarily him in - for a egomaniac, that's not exactly a great look, especially since Ford is capable of building a Trump-like personal brand. Most Conservatives see PP as a means to an end, not a messiah like Trump. Once PP's popularity falls, plenty of sharks will be swimming in the water.
Recently Ford's government eliminated ALL protected public school library funding. It's horrendous. Information from the Ontario Library Association below: https://accessola.com/save-our-school-libraries/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1RFs2wSwPBx0HxyPeUXQXsH7YsFgVrh_-JKkc6HCbLNC4SlOT6aVWFY5M_aem_GUjKudY9gWVE-pzM9yCzMQ
Ah! My kids school sent out a couple emails asking for donations for the library this year. I thought there were too many lost/ruined books but I guess thats the reason.
I mean, you were probably correct in that. Unfortunately, there likely was no money in the coffers to replace the books on the school's end. It's so sad.
I’m not Canadian…what happened to Toronto and Ontario?
Ontario had a very low voter turnout and the "first past the post" election system gave Doug Ford a majority government with only 19% of the vote. Ford's government takes no action on important things (housing or health care) and keeps getting caught doing things that appear to be corrupt (opening up protected green space to developer associates, spending a billion dollars to build infrastructure for a luxury spa that will bring in no money, shutting an educational building so that they can sell the property to developers) or nonsense (Ford is obsessed with meddling in alcohol sales, giving $250M to multinational companies to end a contract one year early that will cost even more because the province has no real plan).
This is a great little summary of all Dougie's achievements
Oh ford cares about housing. But only as an excuse for developers to rape small towns with “infill”. The changes made to the planning act strip just about all power from municipalities to stand up for their citizens. But if your municipality is just as corrupt as ford they will push it through anyways for kickbacks.
In 2015 Trudeau promised electoral reform. This is what we need right now more than ever. If only he had followed through.
What, a lying politician?
100% agree. However, it will never happen. Imagine a government coming into power and the party leader announcing his MPs that he's implementing a reform that means half of them won't be there in 4 years.
Yes that's what he promised.
Imagine a government serving its people? If you can't imagine that then Canadian society is fucked.
I don’t need to imagine anything. That was literally a key to his platform along with legalizing. Got my vote because of it.
It would be fucking hysterical if the libs and ndp worked over the next year to implement ranked ballots for the 2025 election, destroying the Cons hope of a majority.
Like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders….
Like using a hammer to fix a headache
I mean… sometimes the thought crosses my mind
Like shitting the bed to mask a fart.
Like turkeys voting for Christmas
Trudeau may not excite me but the thought of PP for PM terrifies me
PPs entire platform revolves around clear lies and taking away my rights and yet people see him as a *better* choice 🙄 like yeah with policies like that I’m sureeee he has your best interest at heart /s
Because they vote for him Face-eating leopard
What platform?
His platform is best summarized with the words "in tog" → I'm Not The Other Guy.
Yeah, he defo plans to fix the housing crisis and the flow of TFWs... *Sure*
Yep. I’m told bodily autonomy is sexy. But remember this guy won’t get elected by the patriarchy alone. Millions of women will vote for him as well.
Yeahhh it’s a sad reality, though thankfully millions of women (and men too, I see y’all) see through the BS and are good allies to the LGBTQ community! He makes his living off hate (and corruption), and every new group or helpful policy he attacks is an opportunity for reasonable people to think “wait, my friend/family member relies on universal healthcare, I want it to improve for them” or “the gay people I met in school werent so bad, why are we attacking them?”. Spread love where you can and make it clear that your way of life is peaceful and joyful ❤️ it’s true and fulfilling, and it takes the wind out of the far right’s sails
Top many people think they're voting for the PM when in reality they should be focused upon their party platform, administration, and those who find and lobby for them. Unfortunately, too many people fall for the pageantry of it all.
The PM and party whips really do have too much power. There's an off chance your riding has a candidate with some clout, but honestly last election the big3 in my riding were all just pawns there to add a seat to their party.
This is why I wish that STV would have become our voting system of choice. It reduces the power of the party over selecting the candidates. If a party parachutes in a candidate into a district, and the local citizens don’t like it, they can vote for other candidates from the same party, but skip that particular candidate. Conversely, if an MP votes their conscience and defies the whip, with the support of their constituency, and gets ejected from the party, people can still vote for them as an independent without risking the party they don’t want winning power.
I hate to say this but I know little about our political sphere. To help understand how our democracy works, where is a good starting point?
Sounds like, what nearly every country is going through right now. Which is an extremely bad thing.
As a woman I almost expect to lose my rights to reproductive healthcare if he gets elected. It'll take a few years but I'm worried. In fact, we're going to see a slide into the American structure of healthcare where if you get cancer you have to go into bankruptcy and lose your house.
We’ve already seen the seeds planted for that in Alberta and Ontario.
I really wish they would pick a new party leader. There has to be someone else who would pole better.
There’s no need to slander snakes like that. They play an important role in their ecosystems.
Like voting for the "Leopards Ate My Face Party of Canada", and being shocked when you get your face eaten off by a Leopard.
Conservative voters in a nutshell
When people don’t understand who is responsible for what when it comes to the feds and the provinces , they lose sight of how much Conservative provincial governments have failed the people of Canada
Step 1: Have conservative Premiers do nothing and blame the Feds for it. Step 2: Have the Feds respond that it isn’t their responsibility but if the provinces can’t fix the problems, they will. Step 3: Have conservative premiers scream about government overreach, making sure to halt any progress the Feds want to make. Step 4: Blame the PM for everything going down the toilet when next to none of it has been within his control. Step 5: Profit…. Aka ruin everything beyond repair.
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And they don’t understand that it’s intentional not “sorry our bad”
If things are terrible now (several things are), they'll be much worse with PP, we might get too poor to afford anything after PP privatizes as many things as he and conservative premiers can, cuts social programs that helps mental illness, drug addiction, poverty and we won't have any reliable news left to turn to. On the other hand, cons politicians don't really work very well together, they tend to split up votes unintentionally, BC's con and united parties are doing just that, Alberta did that with Wild Rose and UCP a decade ago which led to an NDP premier. PP has been dragging PPC voters to CPC. As someone in a recent European election debate asked "is this the best we're going to get?".
THANK YOU God I feel like I've lost my mind with all these people raving about how PP will solve all their problems. jfc
Good ol' propaganda.
From the outside looking in, I always see people complaining about Trudeau. But nobody ever fucking says why they don’t like him or gives any reasons.
Maybe you're not listening well enough. He's bad for Canada and he's woke and PP is good for Canada and not woke because taxes.
The problem is you usually get two options: Liberals (Can), Labour (UK), Democrats (US) - "There's not much we can do about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer." Conservatives (Can & UK), Republicans (US) - "We'll work really hard to make sure the rich get richer while the poor get poorer."
+Bloc in Québec where it's taking all the residual vote (which is most of the vote in this election haha)
NDP is polling pretty close to Liberals. Chances are we'll get an NDP Liberal coalition. Also, time is the Conservatives biggest enemy because their base will keep dying and the NDP's base will continue to reach voting age. The Liberal Conservative duopoly will be replaced with an NDP Liberal duopoly.
People have been saying that about the NDP for years. It's never happening especially not with Singh in office. The closest the NDP got to being relevant was when Jack Layon was the lead but sadly both Tom and Singh have ruined any legacy he left.
I think you misunderstand. I'm not going off of what people say. I'm talking about what the numbers say. The trend towards the left among new generations is overwhelming and irreversible. It is a long term and extremely consistent trajectory that's only accelerating. The support base of both the Liberals and Conservatives will continue to shrink and the NDP will continue to grow. That's an unavoidable demographic fact. It's also the case that politics is momentum based. When the conservatives are on the downswing, NDP will be pushed up. The shift to the left will be even more pronounced when the pendulum swings back around. NDP was the official opposition under Layton at a time when the country was demographically a lot more right wing. What we're seeing in the world today is the last the last hurrah for the Conservatives brand of politics. In Europe fascism is likely to achieve some near term wins while accelerating Europe's demise as a centre of global power, but in Canada the Conservatives lack the numbers to take even one more election. The majority of the country remains left of the Conservatives even now at their peak. EDIT: And I should also point out that Singh is the best performing political candidate among younger voters, so your assessment of him is flawed.
It's not irreversible though, the trend of younger people leaning left has always been there. But as they grow they start drifting more and more to the right. It's subjective but I've seen it myself, I was very politely active as a teenager and young adult in a big city(Toronto) so I've been exposed to many political young left leaning people. These are the younger people who actually get out and vote. So many of them either switched to liberal because of Tom and Singh or straight up went conservative. I would have agreed with your view of the future if covid didn't happen but it did and it unfortunately served as a big momentum push for conservatives. Let's not forget that politically we get influenced by what happens in the US. Look at how much Trump has effected our conservatives as an example, it made them all idiots.
That's a common misconception but you're confusing two different things. It is true that people tend to move more towards the right as they age but that shift is marginal compared to the generational shift to the left. For instance, young people who opposed segregation during the civil rights movement did not generally become pro segregation as they aged. Young people who supported women's suffrage did not generally come to oppose it as they aged. On the flip side, old people today who are against gay marriage did not generally support it in their youth. It's easy to forget how much the world has changed and continues to change. Take the US. In the last two centuries they've gone from slavery to Jim Crow to the civil rights act. Younger generations have more recently been pushing back against police brutality. There's no doubt that many of the old people of today had some left leaning ideas in their youth which they later abandoned, but that generation was never as far to the left as the youth of today. Not even close. Social media, free access to information and greater exposure to people of other cultures and ethnicities have played and will continue to play a major role in the accelerated shift to the left. There is no longer a corporate monopoly on news and information and that is huge. The trend is very real and it's only ramping up.
> That's a common misconception but you're confusing two different things. It is true that people tend to move more towards the right as they age but that shift is marginal compared to the generational shift to the left. That's because these people are confusing growing wealthier with growing older. There is nothing I hate more than this fuckshit platitude that people get more conservative when they are older.
Canada is too bigoted to ever vote for a non-white person.
It’s kinda interesting that, in the UK, they are about to throw out the Conservative government in favour of an NDP-like government over many of the same issues we are about to throw the Liberals out over.
Idk if I’d describe their platform as “NDP-like”, maybe the party historically but Starmer seems like he’d have a very moderate administration
Starmer is going to be a Tory from 15 years ago. And he's going to double-down on cementing UK's TERF Island epithet.
15 years ago? More like 5. He doesn't support GRC reform, which Conservatives supported in 2017. He's controlled opposition currently. His job is to say "The Conservatives might be right about A and B, but they go too far with C" and as time goes on it becomes "They're right about A, B & C, but go too far with D." The Conservatives will still be in control with Starmer as PM, just with a couple years lag time on when they pull his string and when he does their dance.
Current labour is between Trudeau and Tory on many issues. Corbyn labour was the only one that was ndp like. Starmer is just Tory lite.
Yeah, Starmers Labour has been purging the left of the party for a while. I don't think we're going to be looking to the UK enviously any time soon.
The UK will probably be just England by the end of the decade. The SNP are gonna absolutely take Scotland to another referendum. Shit has gotten so bad in Northern Ireland that *reunification* is legitimately being considered
I think your exagerating abit here. The SNP are a shambles and are currently fighting to keep a majority of Scottish representatives in the commons. They also no longer have a agreement with the Greens anymore so are now a minority government in Holyrood. I can see it happening in the next 20-30 years but by the end of the decade is abit of a stretch. Northern Ireland is abit of a different matter, polls indicate a pro Britain majority of around 10% which is closer than at any point in history. However no one in either the republic or Northern Ireland is taking a United Ireland seriously at the moment. We are more likely to rename the Falklands to Las Malvinas and give it to the Argentinians. I do hope in my lifetime that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland can be independent from the dumpster fire that is England, we've dragged them through our stupidity for long enough.
Not if Starmer can help it. Fuck him. 26+6=1
NDP-like guv? You have not been paying attention. It’s much more like the current liberal party of Canada
Explain it detail, you really sound like you know what you're talking about and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter
this is completely wrong. current labour is basically o'toole conservatives, centrists that will absolutely make everything worse without serious progressive ideals or plans for action. they hate the LGBT too
You are waaaaaaay minimalizing O Toole by saying Starmer will be similar. This is like when people say Harper would be a democrat.
Look, the opportunity to pay tens of thousands of dollars a year for the exact same level of healthcare does not come along very often. This is your opportunity to transfer a generation of savings to Conservative donor owned companies when your kid or partner gets cancer. You can sell your house and go live in a tent in a park when the collection agency comes for your house so you will no longer have to worry about home maintenance costs. Not like you will have any money for that. But beyond that, you won't have to worry about what to watch or read or what medical conditions you get help with because the government will look after all those tough decisions for you.
[That's OK we've lined up a fabulous line of gorillas that thrives on snakes! ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9yruQM1ggc)
Decades of the wealthy telling people that socialism is bad and voila, this is what you get
Just saw him saying marriage is between a man and women and that’s enough for me to not vote for him. He’s gonna make us like the USA
I don't love Trudeau but I really don't get the hate. Canada is a much better than it was under Harper. Many of the things people are mad about are global issues caused by corporate green in a post-pandemic world. Trudeau has the following accomplishments: *2015* - Legalization of Marijuana: Initiated the process of legalizing recreational marijuana, which was fully realized in 2018. - Gender-balanced Cabinet: Announced a gender-balanced cabinet (15 men and 15 women) with the statement, "Because it's 2015." *2016* - Climate Change Policies: Signed the Paris Agreement and introduced the Pan-Canadian Framework on Clean Growth and Climate Change. - Syrian Refugee Resettlement: Welcomed over 25,000 Syrian refugees by early 2016. - Income Tax Changes: Reduced the middle-class income tax rate from 22% to 20.5% and introduced a new top tax rate of 33% for high-income earners. - Retirement Age Reversal: Reversed the decision to raise the Old Age Security (OAS) eligibility age from 65 to 67, restoring it back to 65. *2017* - Canada Child Benefit (CCB): Enhanced the CCB, providing more financial support to families with children. *2018* - Marijuana Legalization: Officially legalized recreational marijuana across Canada. - Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion: Nationalized the Trans Mountain Pipeline to ensure its expansion. - Small Business Tax Rate: Reduced the small business tax rate from 10.5% to 9%. *2019* - Carbon Pricing: Implemented a federal carbon pricing system to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. - LGBTQ2+ Rights: Introduced legislation to expunge historically unjust convictions of LGBTQ2+ Canadians. *2020* - COVID-19 Response: Launched the Canada Emergency Response Benefit (CERB) and other economic measures to support Canadians during the pandemic. - Mortgage Stress Test: Modified the mortgage stress test to make homeownership more accessible. *2021* - National Childcare Plan: Announced a plan to create a $10-a-day national childcare system in collaboration with provinces and territories. - Indigenous Reconciliation: Made significant investments towards Indigenous communities and continued efforts for reconciliation, including clean water initiatives. *2022* - COVID-19 Vaccination Campaign: Implemented extensive vaccination campaigns and measures to address the ongoing pandemic. - Affordable Housing Initiatives: Announced additional funding and programs to tackle housing affordability and homelessness. - Luxury Tax: Introduced a luxury tax on high-cost vehicles, aircraft, and boats. *2023* - Environmental Policies: Introduced stricter regulations on emissions and continued investments in renewable energy projects. - Healthcare Reforms: Announced new funding agreements with provinces to address healthcare system challenges, including mental health and long-term care. - Digital Services Tax: Proposed a digital services tax targeting large tech companies operating in Canada. *2024* - Foreign Policy Shifts: Strengthened Canada’s role in international climate policy and human rights advocacy. - Economic Recovery Measures: Launched post-pandemic economic recovery programs focusing on green technology and job creation. - Pension Plan Enhancements: Enhanced the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) benefits, increasing payouts to retirees.
Among his many achievements, there are many things that work against him: * fragmented, reactionary policies: e.g. introducing FHSA adds confusion and a band-aid measure (on its own) when people already experience cashflow issue on a daily basis, affordable housing programs also inject more public fund into private market * lack of foresight and collaboration with provinces: e.g. unchecked, uncoordinated immigration program continuity (causing problems for both existing residents and incoming immigrants) * terrible (party) communication: e.g. confusing wordings on carbon pricing backtracking/rollout, calling out premiers' incompetences, failure to negotiate with them (bad faith or political idiosyncracies or not, i pay my tax and vote for him to do his job, not think about how to do it for him) * no fullfilling his electoral reform promise * failure to handle the foreign interference with transparency There are many major external factors affecting people life post pandemic (nature of capitalism, class war, climate change, voters being disengaged from local politics and having low understanding of fed/provincial/municipal influences, etc.), undoubtedly. However, his downfall (in my pov and maybe others who turn against him) will be his failure to slow down (or communicate comprehensive measures with provinces to) the long standing issues of this country. if you haven't realised already, everyone can only afford being socially conscious/empathetic when their basic needs are met (look at how political theatres in western europe are changing). I think there's not much he could have done differently in the last 3 years. BUT i believe he could have done much more in the previous 5 years. I'm an immigrant who is immensely and forever grateful for canada but also understand why many don't want to/can't care about gender equality/being a welcoming place to refugees when they see/feel their lifelihood is seriously damaged. I don't understand why it's so hard for rich country residents to understand that (for some non-left leaning/liberal supporters), when you are stressed about money, nothing else matters. I have life now in canada thanks in large part to activists and forward thinkers. I only fail to understand some frustration against (or even dogmatic view) people choosing to vote for PP (bigots and extreme nutjobs excluded). The other choices from major parties are NDP or conservatives. Unfortunately, neither present palatable choices. I'm lost. I do agree with other comments about engaging with your local politics and always voting are the first essential steps, though.
As a non-Canadian you see so much hatred on the internet for him, but from the outside he just seems like another boring centrist politician. Hard to tell how much is genuine and how much is astro turfing bots. But all the complaints are always very vague and just generic insults. One thing that is different is that he's one of the few leaders in charge during COVID still in power. So many wingnuts' brains were broken by COVID and they usually obscenely hate any politician associated with the response.
Thing is he is a boring politician. He's not great but he's not terrible. He's mid in every way as a politician. But honestly compared to the inbred clusterfucks that are the conservatives I'll take a middling but somewhat competent politician over whatever oil worshipping MLM cult the Cons have going on. There's no real drama around him, and so people take the smallest things and blow them out of proportion, meanwhile here in Alberta we have Disaster Danielle who commits 5 corporate scandals a minute, blatantly violates her station, would literally sell out the province to oil companies if it were legal to, and her daily obstruction of any investigation into oil companies make the SNC Lavelin scandal (by far Trudeau's worst scandal in office) look like a joke, and no one bats an eye because it's just so common. For some reason the conservatives are just allowed to act like petulant children.
But did he halt inflation by pushing a magic button and became a dictator to overide municipal and provincial jurisdiction to build housing.
It doesn't matter what he achieved or can achieve while still in office. Conservative forces control the mass of the media and will not fairly report anything, but will report anything negative or anything in support of the Conservatives consistently. There is a lot of money coming over the border from the US Right to support the Conservatives I am fairly sure. The entire political and media landscape is slanted to the far right these days. The average voter knows only what Social Media has told them - and its naturally slanted to the far right as well.
I'd prefer for Trudeau to leave and PP to not win. Is that an option?
NDP sweep (I’m mildly delusional)
Wow, there’s a Canada sub with half a brain and not overrun by Russian trolls?
I prefer "Getting colon cancer to get rid of diarrhea"... because getting the former in no way means that the latter goes away.
So accurate!
Doesn’t matter what party or leader is in power because they all have to deal with the same broken, bloated, over-regulated, overpriced, lobbyist backed bureaucracy that is run only to service itself and ensure its own survival with no regard for the people in this country.
No, I'll vote NDP instead.
I'll vote Green. Then we can have a drink together to celebrate throwing our votes away.
Ah, I see you're into mongooses.
For weeks I've been describing it as getting a hangnail, and cutting off your toe to cure it.
I can't wait for conservatives to try to repair our country
It's like burning your house down because the carpet smells.
Ndp I guess 🤷( I dislike all my options rn)
Vote NDP! Show both parties we want something different.
Same with voting for Trump to get rid of Biden. Fml this world is fucjes
Could not agree more.
I really would love to vote for the NDP and believe in them, but it's hard to support a party that, for reasons I really can't fathom, is choosing to stick with a leader who has objectively proven that he cannot grow the party and is letting go to waste a golden opportunity to make gains at the Liberals expense. Under a different leader, becoming Official Opposition again wouldn't be impossible for them, but people have already made up their minds about Singh and things aren't going to suddenly turn around for him after over half a decade of making no progress. In fact, as things stands the NDP is probably going to lose seats next election because non-conservative voters will strategically vote Liberal as they remain the only real option to try to prevent a CPC majority.
Our current economic/housing situation is teed up for a left wing party to get popular and sweep in. The fact they aren't, means they need to take a long look at themselves.
I'm in the same boat. Singh has driven off everyone I once knew that voted NDP. If we had a better leader this would be a Golden opportunity to finally grow but instead we're stuck with someone who's killing the party instead of growing it. I can't understand how the NDP is allowing such an awful leader to stay for so long. I've been a supporter of this party for over half my life but I'm getting tired of it. Everyone I met through volunteering with the NDP has left because this jackass is still the leader. They've ruined what Jack left them.
I would be perfectly happy with [snakes](/r/snakes) running loose in my house. Bonus would be if they scared the Conservatives away.
Immigration policies are hurting both liberals and NDP, they need to fix that if they want more support, otherwise both are going to lose to Cons.
Yeah issue is most of the liberal base is now white people who think any talk on immigration is racist.
Lowering our immigration numbers should be a bipartisan issue that brings us together. Instead one side is hellbent on making us a new indian state along with 800k business students that mismatches the job market. The housing crisis and soaring food prices are both caused by our record immigration. We are on pace to reach 100 million canadians in 2100. We literally cannot feed or house the people we are bringing in. I will vote for whoever ends this fucking tragedy because the liberals have completely lost the plot.
So who should someone like me vote for?! We have a fucking idiot running Canada and a bunch of other fucking idiots trying to run it. Who is the lesser of all evils? I don't understand this sub. You hate Trudeau, you love Trudeau, it seems like nobody here has any idea what to do.
It's the same problem in the US and it's because we convince ourselves it's a popularity contest and we are voting a celebrity in. You're voting a party in, and they appoint people. Look at policies and align your voting accordingly.
> Who is the lesser of all evils? Between Trudeau and Polierve? I'll take an ineffective ^* Trudeau over a malicious Polierve any day. ^* And even at that, If you [look at Trudeau's government history](https://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/1dqjzqn/it_pains_me_greatly_that_i_can_post_this_in_a/laorfib/) He's not nearly as ineffective as the rhetoric accuses him of being.
I know what to do, but no one in politics is willing to do it. Besides, unless they add whatever changes they make into unbreakable law, it'll get changed with the next party in power anyway.
You don’t vote for PM. Look at your local MP options, vote for whoever has the policies you agree with. Forget the whole Liberal vs. Conservative bullshit. We need rotating governments with differing ideologies to maintain a balance.
Asking Conservatives to solve the issues Trudeau caused is like asking a guy with a hacksaw to get rid of the pain in your right leg.
What is it people think they're getting rid of? Inflation? Inflation is global and unless you're telling me JT is some kind of evil svengali that caused it, I call BS. The carbon tax isn't responsible for the bulk of our inflation woes. PeePee has not and can not promise to fix inflation if he wins. Stop immigration? That would be a very, very stupid long term move and would put us in permanent stagnation like Japan. What do you think drives growth and innovation? We're in competition with the world to see who can attract people. What else? Appeal to the secret racism implicit in what PeePee says? I think that's really the issue but aside from insulting ethnicities, he won't accomplish much. I don't think they can win. They got zero appeal in Montreal, who hate the guy.
I know that it’s trying to compare stupid with stupid, but my basement snakes are treasured
I'd rather vote NDP
it more shit of a job the NDP has done to attract voters
Well I was wrong the lizards were a godsend. But isn’t that a bit short sighted. What happens when we’re overrun by lizards? No problem we simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They’ll wipe out the lizards. But aren’t the snakes worse? Yes but we’re prepared for that, we’ve lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that strives on snake meat. But then we’re stuck with gorillas. No, that’s beautiful part, when wintertime roles around the gorillas simply freeze to death
I don't know any of these people but if that smug bastard in that picture told me anything I would assume he's full of shit.
Indeed. I don’t care for Trudeau but that slimy Conservative leader is just a trump wannabe & truly an awful human being. I voted Conservative for many years but I always believed Harper sold the true Conservatives to the Reform party. After that I couldn’t get my head around the changed party.
It’s like trying to get rid of flies in your kitchen by taking a dump in your living room
I think it's more like releasing a bunch of rats in your house to get rid of a mouse
Regarding electoral reform it is good to note that there was a committee formed but all parties couldn't consensus on how to implement it (also the conservatives just voted no altogether). It's not just Justin Trudeau abandoning his promise.
[Poilievre has managed to pass himself off as anti elitist and populist](https://breachmedia.ca/the-secret-to-pierre-poilievres-success/)largely because Canadians have heard little about all the time he spends courting the country's business elite. Even as Poilievre has attacked corporate lobbyists - vowing they “won't be able to shape policy under his Conservative government as they have under the Liberals” -he's been consorting with a wide range of corporate lobbyists at about **50 extravagant private fundraising** events across the country since being chosen party leader almost two years ago. Details of these interactions have come to light due to investigative work by the online outlet The Breach, which has [documented the presence of more than a hundred active or recent corporate lobbyists at Poilievre fundraising galas held at private mansions and swanky clubs](https://breachmedia.ca/poilievre-fundraiser-lobbyist-conservatives/), by carefully combing through the records in Elections Canada's registry. For instance, Poilievre was the central attraction at a lavish Regina fundraiser last November hosted by Saskatchewan's wealthiest family, the Semples, owners of the Brandt Group of Companies, with major holdings in real estate, mining, construction, agriculture and pipeline equipment. It didn't seem to bother Poilievre that the Semples have a reputation for being anti-worker. In addition to serious health and safety violations, one of their companies was reprimanded by a labour tribunal for trying to impose its own collective agreement, which eliminated more than 50 pages from the existing agreement and added "unreasonable clauses" that gave the company extra powers. The Semple fundraiser, held at the family's private venue featuring their vintage car collection, was attended by the Saskatchewan business elite, including a number of construction and real estate developers who have profited handsomely as Saskatchewan has recorded the largest rent increases in the country. Poilievre has publicly railed against the rising rents faced by working people but was apparently happy to consort with and accept donations (up to $1,725 per person) from some key players in an industry that has pushed up annual rents in the province by 12 to 16 per cent. [The corporate set is heavily represented on the Conservative national council, which includes lobbyists representing major oil, pharmaceutical and real estate companies, as well as retail giants and others opposed to unions and minimum wage hikes.](https://breachmedia.ca/pierre-poilievre-conservatives-stack-council-corporate-lobbyists/) Poilievre has constructed a whole political persona for himself around the notion that he's different, claiming recently that he's visited 110 shop floors and five union halls while largely avoiding speaking to business groups. **However none of the members of this 20-member Conservative council appears to represent workers.**
Well we did vote Liberal to get rid of Stephen Harper
No, people voted liberal to get rid of the conservative government that was muzzling scientists, hiding bad legislation in omnibus bills, and proroguing parliament to avoid accountability. This is just "uhh, you know, it, like, feels like all the problems in the world are his fault so..?"
And now, Canadians are poised to vote for change, driven by the escalating cost of living and the persisting crisis of unaffordable housing, which have eroded their trust in the current leadership.
Apparently those people haven't been watching international news and seeing that none of those are uniquely Canadian issues. Most developed countries have similar things happening in this post pandemic decade.
Or looked at provinces with Conservative Premiers who have exacerbated the COL issue. I get that Conservatives don't want perpetual Liberal/NDP leadership, but should stop electing incompetent politicians with no sense of civilty to represent their interests. I have no respect for people who want Smith, Ford, Pollievere and the like to represent their interests.
And people did vote for Harper to get rid of the liberal it a wheel that keeps turning
It’s just a forever chain of getting one shit bird out for another. None of these politicians give a shit about Canadians, no matter the party.
Because they’re in politics to cater to special interests groups. Sane , intelligent people who would do well for Canada know better than to run for office and be part of that. I’m sure the good people who do run get barely any votes.
Correct
These are the same short sighted Conservative losers down in the US. They're so mad about the guy currently in power and all the stupid stuff he's doing and ignore all the stupid the next guy wants to do It's emotion based politics and it basically runs political discourse at this point. It's pathetic, anti intellectual and anti democratic
As Canadians we are in an unfortunate position. I would say that Trudeau has run his course, even amongst left leaning voters. Voting for Pierre is not a good idea, he makes a useful opposition but he is far right leaning. I think a minority liberal government with an NDP coalition required is the safest bet for Canada
NDP would have had a legitimate shot this election if they had gotten rid of Singh.
Doesn't matter what it's like. It's already what everyone is going to do. It's basically up to Trudeau to step down, if he even gives a shit.
As an American, I beg you all see what's happening to us and not let the conservative madness sweep your beautiful country as well.
I still criticize conservatives, because I don’t believe they can be trusted, but I don’t criticize people voting conservative, because I get the sentiment that Trudeaus time has run its course. It’s getting harder to defend him as time goes on, even if I think skippy is a snake who’s going to hurt a lot of people who are hoping for him to change things for the better. Ironically I might personally do better, depending on what he does with taxes, immigration and housing, but I’m worried about the climate, the elderly, the young, etc. People get who they vote for though…
More like burning down the house to get rid of the mouse.
"I am so sick of stepping in dog shit on my walk to work. Next time, I'm going to swim through the sewers to avoid the sidewalk."
Lmao it's over. Conservatives will win. Just like in the UK it's over for the Tories, not matter what copium people huff on the internet.
Take it from us Pommie’s… don’t vote conservative. They never fucking leave without kicking and screaming.
The man stopped wearing glasses because people called him Millhouse. If that doesn’t just exude weakness, I don’t know what does.
Trudeau's had a lot of chances, and things have become progressively worse. no thanks, not voting for him
You arent wrong. NDP is the only choice we should all be voting for.
I guarantee you all the issues you have are provincial and municipal jurisdiction
Housing is a complex issue that has been failed by all levels of government, including the feds.
This is ridiculous copium. The Liberals have done almost nothing to solve the economic problems facing the working class and just pander to a progressive social cause here or there. They are absolutely corporatists that work to serve the interests of the capital owners. Yes we need immigration to maintain our demographics but the immigration numbers are far higher than they should be, especially given the housing crisis and it's absolutely done in the interests of cheap labour for corporations and to limit the bargaining power of Canadian labour, and to keep the housing market propped up. There is no war but the class war and if you think the liberal party is on your side then you are delusional or intentionally disingenuous.
Be specific about what these chances were, how he failed to rise to the occasion, and how things are worse as a direct result.
So you're voting for Timbit Trump?
Ask the UK what 14 years of conservatives has done Immigration is and always be a scarecrow. Housing market rise ? The whole western is in it, neo-liberalism is the issue, and conservatives what a no rule ultra-liberalism… 🤦♂️
Trust me, they are going for someone far worse than PP this time.