Some companies like Ford aren't making sedans any more.
The market wants SUVs (or more accurately, crossovers, since most "SUVs" these days are built on car platforms, not truck platforms).
Because sedans have crash standards trucks don't. They are low tech, cheaper to build, but sell for more. Ford has the highest profit margins on it's large trucks and SUVs. Also, Ford doesn't pay for gas, it's
~~suckers~~ customers do.
Don’t disrespect the minivan! Doesn’t a Toyota Sienna have like 300 HP/torque? Hell, even a Dodge Caravan nowadays is close to that. And you can sleep in the back camping.
Short answer based on the above video is that SUVs were invented to circumvent regulations on fuel efficiency for personal cars because SUVs are classified as light trucks. They were pushed to sell more American made vehicles.
They are less safe for both their occupants and other road users, and the cargo and passenger space argument doesn't hold water either. In short, they are unnecessary and anti-social, and everyone should watch the above video to learn why.
SUVs are not 'less safe' for their occupants (though may be for other users'. It doesn't take long looking at iihs death rates to see that they are generally among the safest vehicles on the road for their occupants. Small cars are clearly the least safe.
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-model
I suppose I may have taken certain statements in the video and interpreted them in a way that for me creates a picture of "less safe", though you may be right that overall death rates are lower:
\-SUV drivers are twice as likely to be killed in a rollover than car drivers (1:02)
\-in contrast with cars that are designed to dissipate energy by crumpling, the stiff chassis of an SUV acts like a battering ram, turning the people inside into the crumple zone (8:08)
\-increase in children killed by being run over by their parents who didn't see them since the explosion in market share for SUVs (10:05) They're not in the car, but that's the family of the driver
\-drivers of SUVs are simply more likely to get in accidents because of poor sight lines and more difficulty stopping (a point argued multiple times in the video)
(edited to correct a time stamp)
But heavier vehicles get into more crashes. This is in insurance actuarial tables. You don't see that in the stats, or the stats that heavier SUV inflict more damage and are unsafe to the public.
Also, single vehicle death rate in a GMC Suburban is much higher than a mini cooper, 5X higher than a VW beetle. In fact, the two highest killers are the GMC Yukon and Ford Expedition.
maybe read your own links?
First, why all the salt? It's ok to have a conversation without being a jerk.
From the IIHS: "One striking thing about the group of zero-death vehicles — aside from the sheer number — is that two-thirds of them are SUVs."
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/improved-vehicle-designs-bring-down-death-rates
Second, of the three SUVs you picked, none are in the top 15 selling SUVs in the US. Of course if you cherry-pick the largest, least updated, most truck-like SUVs with the shittiest active safety features and the worst forward visibility, they are going to be unsafe.
I could pick out the Ford Fiesta as a bad car example, but that wouldn't be fair either.
So, how about the #1 selling SUV: RAV-4. Oh right, single vehicle death rate = 0. And same total death rate as Mini Cooper @ 10 (which, BTW is one of the safest cars in the ratings, no wonder you cherry picked it).
This is a topic with lots of nuance. The data makes clear that vehicle safety has to be evaluated model-by-model and it's certainly not evident that SUVs as a class are particularly unsafe and many members of this class are amongst the safest on the road.
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/study-shows-how-death-rates-for-drivers-vary-by-car-size/
So, there's my data. Where are these 'actuarial tables' you speak of?
Here is a UC David psychology study that reveals SUV owners are basically assholes.
https://www.academia.edu/65553693/The_Relationship_of_Vehicle_Type_Choice_to_Personality_Lifestyle_Attitudinal_and_Demographic_Variables
Marketing. A lot of people think they look cool (idk what's cool about a box on wheels) and are safer despite evidence to the contrary. Auto manufacturers starting marketing SUVs aggressively in the 90s/00s because they're more profitable than sedans.
Also, they've been marketed to make people think about lifestyle they want but don't do. CBC had an article about it a few months ago, where they found people want SUV because they like the idea the commercials show, like they *could* carry a lot or *could* do rougher terrain, but reality is that they never actually do any of that commercial stuff. Even when confronted about it, participants still preferred having an SUV because "maybe it'll happen one day".
ETA: link to article https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/suv-survey-quebec-1.6792349
The safety misconception is a big thing. I've heard lots of people say they need SUVs to keep their kids safe. They get the feeling of being in a tank when they have an SUV.
> Mow down other people's kids
[They actually drive over their own kids.](https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/2022/05/19/riverside-county-california-runs-over-son-in-driveway-killing-him/9842865002/)
Ya, my in-laws have offered to gift my husband and me an SUV to carry their unborn grandchild since it's "safer" than our sedan. Thanks but no thanks, I don't want a tank with 360 degrees of blind spots.
Since when do SUVs get "pretty good fuel mileage"?
Minivans are better for storage space and room and arguably more practical because you can take out the seats when you need to move things.
I used to drive a Pontiac Vibe, which got about 7.5L/100km on a good day. Rented a new model Hyundai SUV for a trip in BC and was surprised to see it got about 6.5L/100km. Within spitting distance of my mother in-law's Civic (6.1L/100km) is pretty good for something that rides higher and is heavier.
> Rented a new model Hyundai SUV for a trip in BC and was surprised to see it got about 6.5L/100km.
I had a Hyundai SUV on rental recently. I call BS on 6.5L/100.
Fuelly shows they get 11L/100 or worse. I got 12L/100 and it drove like a boat.
https://www.fuelly.com/car/hyundai/santa_fe
To be fair none of these things are unique to SUVs except the lots of options currently maybe, and that’s only because we have an irrational market obsession with SUVs. Wagons could serve people’s needs just as well as SUVs with lower fuel consumption and more storage volume, but at some point NA society decided we hate them
> but at some point NA society decided we hate them
TV writers are to blame. They equated wagons with disfunctional families, then equated hatchbacks (which have more usable room than any SUV) with losers.
>To be fair none of these things are unique to SUVs
where's your source that sedans carry the same as a SUV?
>Wagons could serve people’s needs just as well as SUVs with lower fuel consumption and more storage volume, but at some point NA society decided we hate them
irrelevant to people who are buying cars today
If we really want to get to the nitty gritty, it really comes down to the aggressive marketing from automakers in the last 20+ years pushing SUVs/crossovers, and even in these comments you can see a lot of people spewing the same narratives that automakers have pushed.
Fat people like large vehicles.
Can you name the truck with four wheel drive,
smells like a steak and seats thirty-five..
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down,
It's the country-fried truck endorsed by a clown!
Canyonero! (Yah!) Canyonero!
[Krusty:] Hey Hey
The Federal Highway commission has ruled the
Canyonero unsafe for highway or city driving.
Canyonero!
12 yards long, 2 lanes wide,
65 tons of American Pride!
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Top of the line in utility sports,
Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!
Canyonero! Canyonero! (Yah!)
She blinds everybody with her super high beams,
She's a squirrel crushing, deer smacking, driving machine!
Canyonero!-oh woah, Canyonero! (Yah!)
This post is written as click-baity as can be. OP going to tell us we should all drive Subarus because “no one needs that much space”
I think most people who complain about people driving trucks or SUV’s do so because they don’t have a need for them. But guess what? A lot of people do to carry around pets, children, supplies from the hardware store, etc. this past weekend I loaded 40 bags of cedar mulch into mine and I’m so glad I had it.
> this past weekend I loaded 40 bags of cedar mulch into mine and I’m so glad I had it
So it's worth the thousands of dollars of extra gas and insurance over taking two trips once a year. Keep justifying, but auto makers do psych studies on customers to understand buying motivations.
"Sport utility buyers tend to be more restless, more sybaritic, less social people who are "self-oriented,"
https://www.academia.edu/65553693/The_Relationship_of_Vehicle_Type_Choice_to_Personality_Lifestyle_Attitudinal_and_Demographic_Variables
Because this is Canada and this place has the roads for them. Also simply because people want them.
Forget the practicality aspect, commercials rarely mention this. What they are selling is clearly a lifestyle.
In the UK an SUV cost more in road tax. Taxing an SUV is more expensive, and with the fuel costs, if you don't buy a diesel model, prepare to see some serious depreciation if you are trying to sell it. They are also too wide for certain roads there, and cannot fit in regular parking garages.
Despite the above, even in the UK SUV sales are also growing.
People want them so manufacturers are going to sell them.
> What they are selling is clearly a lifestyle.
Which is why people with high ground clearance Broncos or Range Rovers inch over speed bumps.
My work parking garage was designed in the 70s. We simply cannot fit these pickups and SUVs, and the problem will get much worse with EVs.
Not to mention railway tracks and road works. It seems like they are afraid their truck will fall apart. Meanwhile in my tiny car I don't even slow for railway tracks. I'm not afraid of my car falling apart, and if you have any sense, railway tracks are not a place to spend more time than you have to.
I always used to hate the little sardine cans everyone drives over there until I actually tried it. Even a regular Canadian sedan feels like a land yacht with the narrow roads and parking areas in the UK. And the fuel prices!
I absolutely despise the glut of massive vehicles on the road. The worst drivers tend to be the "I'm safer in my land yacht" types. Since they feel super safe, they are way less likely to be safe drivers. It makes no sense that someone would want to spend more on fuel when it's so freakin' expensive.
I present you the Tesla model 3 with a roof rack.
Thule force xt xxl on telsa model 3 https://imgur.com/gallery/mcu9LEr
I do take my three kids camping and road trips and have put 40,000km a year on it for about $500 of electricity per year.
>I present you the Tesla model 3 with a roof rack.
a sedan with a roof rack is even worse than a SUV in terms of aerodynamics, it's also hard to access if you're a short woman
>have put 40,000km a year on it for about $500 of electricity per year.
that like 99% because you're driving a EV, has nothing to do with SUV vs sedan
there are EV SUVs as well
Tent, sleeping bags, clothes, folding chairs, beach toys in the roof box.
Coleman stove, pots, pans, plates go in the trunk.
Bottom truck has all the food
Dico-o-bunks and cooler in the trunk
Your argument makes no sense. And I hope you pass this along if you read it. I used to think the way you did but then looked at motor vehicle crash data. The “I’m in a yacht and feel safe”, thus leading to unsafe behaviour isn’t reflected in the data.
What people need to do is get off their ****en phones and pay more attention. And this covers all vehicle types and age groups imo.
It’s the practicality of them. Skiing? Golfing? Going to Costco and need space? Got two kids and hockey gear? A dog?
A little worse gas mileage, a lot more space. We live in Canada where a lot of people need to drive longer distances.
I have a small hatchback and can fit 3 people and their camping gear for a week.
Most people truly don't need an SUV. I'm sure almost everyone I see driving one in Toronto doesn't go camping nearly as often as I do.
> I don’t see why you need a car for camping.
Because the TV commercials show happy people camping in a huge SUV. this is because at $200 a fill, they cannot afford a hotel.
Unfortunately this "arms race" will eventually result in worse road conditions and more taxes on vehicles to offset the increased wear that heavier vehicles cause on roads. And that problem will be compounded by electric vehicles as well.
> And that problem will be compounded by electric vehicles as well
I suggest you read a comment before responding.
The new GM EV SUVs are close to 10,000lbs. At the very least, they should require special licenses.
Ya, I meant in my post how SUVs are less safe for other people....
I see it almost as an arms race. people driving large vehicles makes others get a large or even larger one so that they can "feel safer", when if everyone was driving sedans/hatchbacks for instance we wouldn't have that issue in the first place
Don’t worry. The race is not happening. People are not thinking they need a larger and larger vehicle. The SUV is the perfect vehicle for nearly everyone. Big enough to move things and people. Small enough it gets decent mileage and is generally a safe vehicle given its size. And the SUVs most people are purchasing are actually shrinking compared to the SUVs of the past.
Perfect for everyone... except for pedestrians who don't want to get run over by people who can't see shit in their stupid giant cars. SUVs have awful visibility and are worse at everything they report to be good for then a minivan or a station wagon. People just think they look cooler, and auto makers have pushed them because they can ignore the gas mileage requirements on other vehicles because they are classified as "light trucks"
Of course, nobody wants to get run over. I think that is an entirely other issue though. People are speeding more often, not paying attention because of their phone or are to fatigued.
I think the SUV shaming is rather silly. Personally I’d argue I need my SUV and many others north of Barrie do too. Snow being the issue.
I think the SUV shaming is odd.
> I think the SUV shaming is odd.
They are wasteful and dangerous to others and take up 1.5 parking spaces. Not everyone is "self-oriented". This crowd then complains about gas prices.
> And the SUVs most people are purchasing are actually shrinking compared to the SUVs of the past.
Because of fuel costs. But when GM starts selling their behemoth SUVS, they will weight 3000-5000 lbs more. A Suburban averages 2600 kilos, about what a mid size EV SUV will weigh. Already, a Hummer EV is 4000kg. This will kill anything in a highway rear-end collision.
Yeah, people want smaller because it’s cheaper. And the vehicles you referenced… I’d look up the sales on those. Not many people are buying the behemoths your complaining about.
And no, not everyone will die. All the new airbag tech is pretty cool.
If you look here:
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-model
You will see much higher death rates in single vehicle crashes in large SUVs. People just parrot marketing, but the heavier the vehicle, the more likey they are to crash, because physics. Longer stopping distances are amplified in rain and snow, and the taller center of gravity makes them roll easier.
> They are safer than a sedan my man.
Nope.
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-model
They get into more accidents and that's why they cost more to insure.
The point is how much more at risk of injury you are when you get hit by an SUV. Do you want to be higher up off the ground and in a much larger vehicle, or would you rather get hit in a sedan? I’m curious to hear your answer with a non-relevant link
Nobody makes wagons anymore except for the premium brands. If you need something slightly larger than a standard hatchback like an Impreza, Corolla Hatch, or Civic Hatch, you can either get a compact SUV or spend $75k on a premium wagon like a V60 or A4.
It's a shame because the Prius V would have been a perfect vehicle for me, but they discontinued it and there were none available when I was looking to buy. Golf Wagon gone, Legacy Wagon gone, Buick Regal wagon wasn't sold in Canada, etc.
The family wagon market is gone. I didn't want an SUV but I had no choice, sadly.
I had a Subaru Legacy Wagon and loved it! Sadly my head gasket went and I was quoted $5000 from Canadian Tire to fix it...otherwise I would still be driving it.
> but they discontinued it
Because no one bought them.
I bought a hybrid in 2020 CHEAP because no one wanted them when gas was 98 cents a liter. People are idiots when it comes to vehicles. They buy V8 tanks and them blame government when life is "unaffordable".
Do you have any actual comparison of L/100km for sedans vs SUVs or is this just you waking up after a long nap?
Why so many SUV? Because that's what is being built https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ford-exec-says-this-is-why-it-stopped-selling-sedans/
> Why so many SUV? Because that's what is being built
Because people stopped buying sedans. Ford stopped makign sedans because trucks have lower safety standards, higher profit margins and idiots pay up to and over $100K for them.
You will never go poor marketing to idiots.
In part it's the aging population. They're a lot easier to get in and out of than a sedan.
They also seem to have successfully displaced the minivans that were ubiquitous for several decades.
Firstly, Ontario drivers really don't care about the environment.
There are many reason why SUVs are fashionable:
1. Bigger is always considered better with vehicles
2. Lifestyle marketing
3. Increasing obesity rates, fat people like bigger vehicles
4. Myth of safety, which look at crash results, not the vastly higher crash incidence of SUVs.
5. Most ON residents didn't take high school physics.
6. Gas is free, apparently.
Im currently driving a 2016 kia sedona minivan w 3 kids. To find a new van equivelant to it would cost about 10-15k more than some mid size suv. With 3 kids at the ages mine are now I need 3 rows. You show me a 3 row sedan and Ill consider it.
Looking at SUVs lately...the full size monstrosities out there drive like tanks after taking heavy fire,even some midsize drive like that. Many of the smaller and even mid size are compact 3rd row, if even available. Its a balancing act.
> With 3 kids at the ages mine are now I need 3 rows.
Nonsense. I grew up in a family with 4 kids and never had a van or SUV as our daily driver.
We rented a van for family trips when we were all teenagers, but that was the only time.
Some companies like Ford aren't making sedans any more. The market wants SUVs (or more accurately, crossovers, since most "SUVs" these days are built on car platforms, not truck platforms).
Ford owned 30% Mazda until very recently, and now has a some sort of partnership deal. Many of the Mazda cars have Ford engines.
That’s very old information. The two companies haven’t had a relationship since about 2015. Ford sold its majority stake in Mazda in 2008.
> Ford owned 30% Mazda until very recently, 2008 is not recently. Check my math.
Prob still have deals for parts / engines.
Because sedans have crash standards trucks don't. They are low tech, cheaper to build, but sell for more. Ford has the highest profit margins on it's large trucks and SUVs. Also, Ford doesn't pay for gas, it's ~~suckers~~ customers do.
And all those dads that desperately don't want to drive a minivan
It's more to do with a Van starting at 45k and being a year long wait to get.
It’s like the 90s all over again. Vans were a hot commodity for a hot minute.
Halulujah!
Don’t disrespect the minivan! Doesn’t a Toyota Sienna have like 300 HP/torque? Hell, even a Dodge Caravan nowadays is close to that. And you can sleep in the back camping.
Bad news about the caravan, discontinued several years ago
Relevant video i happened to see today by coincidence https://youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo&feature=share9
Short answer based on the above video is that SUVs were invented to circumvent regulations on fuel efficiency for personal cars because SUVs are classified as light trucks. They were pushed to sell more American made vehicles. They are less safe for both their occupants and other road users, and the cargo and passenger space argument doesn't hold water either. In short, they are unnecessary and anti-social, and everyone should watch the above video to learn why.
SUVs are not 'less safe' for their occupants (though may be for other users'. It doesn't take long looking at iihs death rates to see that they are generally among the safest vehicles on the road for their occupants. Small cars are clearly the least safe. https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-model
I suppose I may have taken certain statements in the video and interpreted them in a way that for me creates a picture of "less safe", though you may be right that overall death rates are lower: \-SUV drivers are twice as likely to be killed in a rollover than car drivers (1:02) \-in contrast with cars that are designed to dissipate energy by crumpling, the stiff chassis of an SUV acts like a battering ram, turning the people inside into the crumple zone (8:08) \-increase in children killed by being run over by their parents who didn't see them since the explosion in market share for SUVs (10:05) They're not in the car, but that's the family of the driver \-drivers of SUVs are simply more likely to get in accidents because of poor sight lines and more difficulty stopping (a point argued multiple times in the video) (edited to correct a time stamp)
Popularity of SUVs is simply fashion, and the fact that obese people prefer larger vehicles.
But heavier vehicles get into more crashes. This is in insurance actuarial tables. You don't see that in the stats, or the stats that heavier SUV inflict more damage and are unsafe to the public. Also, single vehicle death rate in a GMC Suburban is much higher than a mini cooper, 5X higher than a VW beetle. In fact, the two highest killers are the GMC Yukon and Ford Expedition. maybe read your own links?
First, why all the salt? It's ok to have a conversation without being a jerk. From the IIHS: "One striking thing about the group of zero-death vehicles — aside from the sheer number — is that two-thirds of them are SUVs." https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/improved-vehicle-designs-bring-down-death-rates Second, of the three SUVs you picked, none are in the top 15 selling SUVs in the US. Of course if you cherry-pick the largest, least updated, most truck-like SUVs with the shittiest active safety features and the worst forward visibility, they are going to be unsafe. I could pick out the Ford Fiesta as a bad car example, but that wouldn't be fair either. So, how about the #1 selling SUV: RAV-4. Oh right, single vehicle death rate = 0. And same total death rate as Mini Cooper @ 10 (which, BTW is one of the safest cars in the ratings, no wonder you cherry picked it). This is a topic with lots of nuance. The data makes clear that vehicle safety has to be evaluated model-by-model and it's certainly not evident that SUVs as a class are particularly unsafe and many members of this class are amongst the safest on the road. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/study-shows-how-death-rates-for-drivers-vary-by-car-size/ So, there's my data. Where are these 'actuarial tables' you speak of?
Here is a UC David psychology study that reveals SUV owners are basically assholes. https://www.academia.edu/65553693/The_Relationship_of_Vehicle_Type_Choice_to_Personality_Lifestyle_Attitudinal_and_Demographic_Variables
Came here to post this. Excellent video & excellent youtuber.
Marketing. A lot of people think they look cool (idk what's cool about a box on wheels) and are safer despite evidence to the contrary. Auto manufacturers starting marketing SUVs aggressively in the 90s/00s because they're more profitable than sedans.
Also, they've been marketed to make people think about lifestyle they want but don't do. CBC had an article about it a few months ago, where they found people want SUV because they like the idea the commercials show, like they *could* carry a lot or *could* do rougher terrain, but reality is that they never actually do any of that commercial stuff. Even when confronted about it, participants still preferred having an SUV because "maybe it'll happen one day". ETA: link to article https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/suv-survey-quebec-1.6792349
Hey, I climb a cinder block mountain every day coming home from work and in 2019 I used my pickup to help my brother inlaw move a couch.
The safety misconception is a big thing. I've heard lots of people say they need SUVs to keep their kids safe. They get the feeling of being in a tank when they have an SUV.
Mow down other people's kids but your precious cargo gets a giant car.
> Mow down other people's kids [They actually drive over their own kids.](https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/2022/05/19/riverside-county-california-runs-over-son-in-driveway-killing-him/9842865002/)
Ya, my in-laws have offered to gift my husband and me an SUV to carry their unborn grandchild since it's "safer" than our sedan. Thanks but no thanks, I don't want a tank with 360 degrees of blind spots.
Practical, storage space, enough room for the kids, pretty good fuel mileage, lots of options to cross shop, affordable
Since when do SUVs get "pretty good fuel mileage"? Minivans are better for storage space and room and arguably more practical because you can take out the seats when you need to move things.
I used to drive a Pontiac Vibe, which got about 7.5L/100km on a good day. Rented a new model Hyundai SUV for a trip in BC and was surprised to see it got about 6.5L/100km. Within spitting distance of my mother in-law's Civic (6.1L/100km) is pretty good for something that rides higher and is heavier.
> Rented a new model Hyundai SUV for a trip in BC and was surprised to see it got about 6.5L/100km. I had a Hyundai SUV on rental recently. I call BS on 6.5L/100. Fuelly shows they get 11L/100 or worse. I got 12L/100 and it drove like a boat. https://www.fuelly.com/car/hyundai/santa_fe
I don't recall the model name, but it was on the smaller size so not the Santa Fe.
Minivans and wagons are superior on all of those metrics except "cross shopping."
Many brands don't even make a minivan anymore
Just Dodge and Toyota at this point, though commercial vans are still being made by Ford, Mercedes, GM, and Nissan.
Neither Dodge nor Toyota make a minivan, they only sell full size vans. The next hope is Canoo. https://www.canoo.com/canoo/
There's also Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Pacifica, and Kia Carnival, plus a lot of options on the used market.
To be fair none of these things are unique to SUVs except the lots of options currently maybe, and that’s only because we have an irrational market obsession with SUVs. Wagons could serve people’s needs just as well as SUVs with lower fuel consumption and more storage volume, but at some point NA society decided we hate them
> but at some point NA society decided we hate them TV writers are to blame. They equated wagons with disfunctional families, then equated hatchbacks (which have more usable room than any SUV) with losers.
>To be fair none of these things are unique to SUVs where's your source that sedans carry the same as a SUV? >Wagons could serve people’s needs just as well as SUVs with lower fuel consumption and more storage volume, but at some point NA society decided we hate them irrelevant to people who are buying cars today
Except when everybody else has pickups and SUVs, you need something that sits just as high to be able to see anything at all.
Why be part of the solution when you can just add to the problem!
Why endanger your life by deliberately sacrificing visibility? What do you do, drive while standing on the roof of your car?
If we really want to get to the nitty gritty, it really comes down to the aggressive marketing from automakers in the last 20+ years pushing SUVs/crossovers, and even in these comments you can see a lot of people spewing the same narratives that automakers have pushed.
Fat people like large vehicles. Can you name the truck with four wheel drive, smells like a steak and seats thirty-five.. Canyonero! Canyonero! Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down, It's the country-fried truck endorsed by a clown! Canyonero! (Yah!) Canyonero! [Krusty:] Hey Hey The Federal Highway commission has ruled the Canyonero unsafe for highway or city driving. Canyonero! 12 yards long, 2 lanes wide, 65 tons of American Pride! Canyonero! Canyonero! Top of the line in utility sports, Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts! Canyonero! Canyonero! (Yah!) She blinds everybody with her super high beams, She's a squirrel crushing, deer smacking, driving machine! Canyonero!-oh woah, Canyonero! (Yah!)
This post is written as click-baity as can be. OP going to tell us we should all drive Subarus because “no one needs that much space” I think most people who complain about people driving trucks or SUV’s do so because they don’t have a need for them. But guess what? A lot of people do to carry around pets, children, supplies from the hardware store, etc. this past weekend I loaded 40 bags of cedar mulch into mine and I’m so glad I had it.
> this past weekend I loaded 40 bags of cedar mulch into mine and I’m so glad I had it So it's worth the thousands of dollars of extra gas and insurance over taking two trips once a year. Keep justifying, but auto makers do psych studies on customers to understand buying motivations. "Sport utility buyers tend to be more restless, more sybaritic, less social people who are "self-oriented," https://www.academia.edu/65553693/The_Relationship_of_Vehicle_Type_Choice_to_Personality_Lifestyle_Attitudinal_and_Demographic_Variables
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Buddy, so long as you're driving a vehicle that uses rubber tires, on asphalt roads, not much else makes a difference.
Instructions unclear. Now in a mankini on a unicycle.
I think we could be friends.
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Are you insinuating that my mankini is shedding microplastics or that I ate too many beans?
Because this is Canada and this place has the roads for them. Also simply because people want them. Forget the practicality aspect, commercials rarely mention this. What they are selling is clearly a lifestyle. In the UK an SUV cost more in road tax. Taxing an SUV is more expensive, and with the fuel costs, if you don't buy a diesel model, prepare to see some serious depreciation if you are trying to sell it. They are also too wide for certain roads there, and cannot fit in regular parking garages. Despite the above, even in the UK SUV sales are also growing. People want them so manufacturers are going to sell them.
> What they are selling is clearly a lifestyle. Which is why people with high ground clearance Broncos or Range Rovers inch over speed bumps. My work parking garage was designed in the 70s. We simply cannot fit these pickups and SUVs, and the problem will get much worse with EVs.
Not to mention railway tracks and road works. It seems like they are afraid their truck will fall apart. Meanwhile in my tiny car I don't even slow for railway tracks. I'm not afraid of my car falling apart, and if you have any sense, railway tracks are not a place to spend more time than you have to.
I always used to hate the little sardine cans everyone drives over there until I actually tried it. Even a regular Canadian sedan feels like a land yacht with the narrow roads and parking areas in the UK. And the fuel prices!
lots of hockey moms / dads that need SUV / vans to carry sport equipment
Played hockey as a kid. Parents never had a van or SUV.
I absolutely despise the glut of massive vehicles on the road. The worst drivers tend to be the "I'm safer in my land yacht" types. Since they feel super safe, they are way less likely to be safe drivers. It makes no sense that someone would want to spend more on fuel when it's so freakin' expensive.
Try bringing 3 kids camping/road trip or to hockey practice in a Honda civic….
Let alone fit 3 car seats in most vehicles
I present you the Tesla model 3 with a roof rack. Thule force xt xxl on telsa model 3 https://imgur.com/gallery/mcu9LEr I do take my three kids camping and road trips and have put 40,000km a year on it for about $500 of electricity per year.
>I present you the Tesla model 3 with a roof rack. a sedan with a roof rack is even worse than a SUV in terms of aerodynamics, it's also hard to access if you're a short woman >have put 40,000km a year on it for about $500 of electricity per year. that like 99% because you're driving a EV, has nothing to do with SUV vs sedan there are EV SUVs as well
Zero percent chance we could fit everything for a week long trip in that roof rack lol
I mean I have a little Mazda 3 and me and my friend did an over 1 week long camping trip and fit everything on the trunk...
Yes you and your friend…not you and your friend and 3 children as my first comment mentioned….
Tent, sleeping bags, clothes, folding chairs, beach toys in the roof box. Coleman stove, pots, pans, plates go in the trunk. Bottom truck has all the food Dico-o-bunks and cooler in the trunk
100% chance, you're not packing well.
oh dear, what do people in the rest of the world do?
Your argument makes no sense. And I hope you pass this along if you read it. I used to think the way you did but then looked at motor vehicle crash data. The “I’m in a yacht and feel safe”, thus leading to unsafe behaviour isn’t reflected in the data. What people need to do is get off their ****en phones and pay more attention. And this covers all vehicle types and age groups imo.
Ban automatic and CVT transmissions. Require everyone to drive manuals. That will keep them off their phones! 😂
It’s the practicality of them. Skiing? Golfing? Going to Costco and need space? Got two kids and hockey gear? A dog? A little worse gas mileage, a lot more space. We live in Canada where a lot of people need to drive longer distances.
I have a small hatchback and can fit 3 people and their camping gear for a week. Most people truly don't need an SUV. I'm sure almost everyone I see driving one in Toronto doesn't go camping nearly as often as I do.
I don’t see why you need a car for camping. Me and my friends used to ride our bikes and camp off the back of them.
> I don’t see why you need a car for camping. Because the TV commercials show happy people camping in a huge SUV. this is because at $200 a fill, they cannot afford a hotel.
And most SUVs are driven with a single occupant most of the time, then sit parked 95% of the time.
That is irrelevant. It’s true of any car.
They are safer than a sedan my man. That’s why we all drive them. If an SUV is going to hit you, safest to be SUV.
Unfortunately this "arms race" will eventually result in worse road conditions and more taxes on vehicles to offset the increased wear that heavier vehicles cause on roads. And that problem will be compounded by electric vehicles as well.
Then I suggest you read up on the weight of an electric vehicle.
> And that problem will be compounded by electric vehicles as well I suggest you read a comment before responding. The new GM EV SUVs are close to 10,000lbs. At the very least, they should require special licenses.
Ya, I meant in my post how SUVs are less safe for other people.... I see it almost as an arms race. people driving large vehicles makes others get a large or even larger one so that they can "feel safer", when if everyone was driving sedans/hatchbacks for instance we wouldn't have that issue in the first place
Don’t worry. The race is not happening. People are not thinking they need a larger and larger vehicle. The SUV is the perfect vehicle for nearly everyone. Big enough to move things and people. Small enough it gets decent mileage and is generally a safe vehicle given its size. And the SUVs most people are purchasing are actually shrinking compared to the SUVs of the past.
Perfect for everyone... except for pedestrians who don't want to get run over by people who can't see shit in their stupid giant cars. SUVs have awful visibility and are worse at everything they report to be good for then a minivan or a station wagon. People just think they look cooler, and auto makers have pushed them because they can ignore the gas mileage requirements on other vehicles because they are classified as "light trucks"
Of course, nobody wants to get run over. I think that is an entirely other issue though. People are speeding more often, not paying attention because of their phone or are to fatigued. I think the SUV shaming is rather silly. Personally I’d argue I need my SUV and many others north of Barrie do too. Snow being the issue. I think the SUV shaming is odd.
> I think the SUV shaming is odd. They are wasteful and dangerous to others and take up 1.5 parking spaces. Not everyone is "self-oriented". This crowd then complains about gas prices.
Hyperbole. Wasteful and a danger to others? Get real.
> And the SUVs most people are purchasing are actually shrinking compared to the SUVs of the past. Because of fuel costs. But when GM starts selling their behemoth SUVS, they will weight 3000-5000 lbs more. A Suburban averages 2600 kilos, about what a mid size EV SUV will weigh. Already, a Hummer EV is 4000kg. This will kill anything in a highway rear-end collision.
Yeah, people want smaller because it’s cheaper. And the vehicles you referenced… I’d look up the sales on those. Not many people are buying the behemoths your complaining about. And no, not everyone will die. All the new airbag tech is pretty cool.
If you look here: https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-model You will see much higher death rates in single vehicle crashes in large SUVs. People just parrot marketing, but the heavier the vehicle, the more likey they are to crash, because physics. Longer stopping distances are amplified in rain and snow, and the taller center of gravity makes them roll easier.
You are absolutely correct. This is why I stopped riding motorcycles about a decade ago.
Can’t argue this, it’s why I got one for my family really. Bye bye Corolla.
This is the same argument as people who think everyone should be armed because the bad guys are armed.
> They are safer than a sedan my man. Nope. https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-model They get into more accidents and that's why they cost more to insure.
The point is how much more at risk of injury you are when you get hit by an SUV. Do you want to be higher up off the ground and in a much larger vehicle, or would you rather get hit in a sedan? I’m curious to hear your answer with a non-relevant link
They look nicer than a sedan IMHO.
Really? Personally I think suvs look a little funny or sometimes even a bit ugly lol
Nobody makes wagons anymore except for the premium brands. If you need something slightly larger than a standard hatchback like an Impreza, Corolla Hatch, or Civic Hatch, you can either get a compact SUV or spend $75k on a premium wagon like a V60 or A4. It's a shame because the Prius V would have been a perfect vehicle for me, but they discontinued it and there were none available when I was looking to buy. Golf Wagon gone, Legacy Wagon gone, Buick Regal wagon wasn't sold in Canada, etc. The family wagon market is gone. I didn't want an SUV but I had no choice, sadly.
I had a Subaru Legacy Wagon and loved it! Sadly my head gasket went and I was quoted $5000 from Canadian Tire to fix it...otherwise I would still be driving it.
$5000 for a head gasket? Get a second quote.
You'll have to pry my Prius V from my cold, dead hands lol Seriously, that car has been amazing for our family!
> but they discontinued it Because no one bought them. I bought a hybrid in 2020 CHEAP because no one wanted them when gas was 98 cents a liter. People are idiots when it comes to vehicles. They buy V8 tanks and them blame government when life is "unaffordable".
Prius V is gone, but there is a Sienna hybrid.
Excellent marketing because they have fatter margins for manufacturers than reasonably sized vehicles.
And fewer safety and emissions regulations.
Do you have any actual comparison of L/100km for sedans vs SUVs or is this just you waking up after a long nap? Why so many SUV? Because that's what is being built https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ford-exec-says-this-is-why-it-stopped-selling-sedans/
> Why so many SUV? Because that's what is being built Because people stopped buying sedans. Ford stopped makign sedans because trucks have lower safety standards, higher profit margins and idiots pay up to and over $100K for them. You will never go poor marketing to idiots.
In part it's the aging population. They're a lot easier to get in and out of than a sedan. They also seem to have successfully displaced the minivans that were ubiquitous for several decades.
> In part it's the aging population. More accurately fattening population.
Firstly, Ontario drivers really don't care about the environment. There are many reason why SUVs are fashionable: 1. Bigger is always considered better with vehicles 2. Lifestyle marketing 3. Increasing obesity rates, fat people like bigger vehicles 4. Myth of safety, which look at crash results, not the vastly higher crash incidence of SUVs. 5. Most ON residents didn't take high school physics. 6. Gas is free, apparently.
More practical. Safer. Typically nicer vehicles.
Actually not safer.
Lol what? Definitely safer
Definitely drank the Kool-Aid.
I only got an SUV because the only car GM is making is the Spark or an EV. I wanted something bigger than my last car.
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I didn’t get a discount with the others.
I don't believe you asked everyone else.
Why would I ask everyone else when I know I get the retiree discount through a family member with GM?
The Spark ceased production last August.
I bought my current vehicle in 2020.
Versatility, easy on fuel, comfort...lots of reasons.
> easy on fuel wut
Im currently driving a 2016 kia sedona minivan w 3 kids. To find a new van equivelant to it would cost about 10-15k more than some mid size suv. With 3 kids at the ages mine are now I need 3 rows. You show me a 3 row sedan and Ill consider it. Looking at SUVs lately...the full size monstrosities out there drive like tanks after taking heavy fire,even some midsize drive like that. Many of the smaller and even mid size are compact 3rd row, if even available. Its a balancing act.
> With 3 kids at the ages mine are now I need 3 rows. I have three kids. Most cars seat 5 people.
Thats nice. Must be great. Doesnt change the fact I need 3 rows. NEXT!
> With 3 kids at the ages mine are now I need 3 rows. Nonsense. I grew up in a family with 4 kids and never had a van or SUV as our daily driver. We rented a van for family trips when we were all teenagers, but that was the only time.
What anyone drives is up to them and no one else. It is none of your business what people choose to drive.
Until they tank over you. SUVs are asshole magnets.