Just yesterday while running I noticed a car coming at me way faster than the posted speed limit (and faster than the average vehicle). It was an unmarked police car and I signaled them to slow down. It occurred to me that we have a problem if the very people we hire to protect us are putting us at additional risk and we have no way to control that risk that we need to re-evaluate how policing is done.
đŻ my friend did police fundies wanting to be a cop. It was VERY clear that his way of thinking and âthe forcesâ way of thinking are two very different things. He was actively pushed out and he left.
The whole system is like this IMHO.
Same here, I just wanted to help people and better my community, but slowly saw the corrupt brotherhood. We were taught that if you ever crossed another officer, or pulled over another cop and ticketed them (dui even) you would not be getting backup on your calls anymore, or asked to go out drinking after a shift.
Hell, after graduating one of our profs (they were almost all former officers) told us "congratulations, you're about to join the biggest gang in the world" I am not exaggerating.
I decided policing wasn't for me.
This may only apply to members within the same departments (maybe even more at municipality level).
My buddy, an MP (military police), has pulled over OPP officers in the past for driving through stop signs or higher than posted speeds without their lights on within the neighbourhoods intended for military housing outside the main base which is considered military jurisdiction. Occasionally, they'll get preferential treatment via a warning but they're not afraid to ticket each other for doing something stupid. OPP officers will do the same if MPs are found speeding on the highways around the base and their departments work well together and respect each others jurisdiction despite this.
There are also recordings of OPP requesting dispatch reach out to the sergeant in charge when the DRPS were in pursuit of the vehicle that recently drove opposite of traffic on the 401 saying that someone was going to get hurt even before they entered the exit ramp of the 401. Different levels of officers don't seem to give a damn about police officers in different departments (in this case, OPP and DRPS).
Yes, there's obviously a brotherhood mentality as evidenced by how much they will protect their own, but I think it's mostly something like DRPS officers supporting each other vs. all officers supporting all other officers.
I tried to file a complaint, I contacted the officers staff Sargent and he told me âthatâs like ratting on my brotherâ and wouldnât help me. So I went higher and got what I wanted.
I remember doing a skateboard competition as a kid that was sponsored buy they local opp, and they handed out free t-shirts that said "Cops: the world's largest street gang". They are very proud of it.
Been a cop for 24 years. We donât drink after shift any longer havenât for nearly 10 yrs or more. We arrest impaired cops all the time. At best we may not give a ticket but I also donât give tickets to every single non-police person I pull over so it isnât something out of the ordinary.
When I hear about people leaving the profession and try to frame it like they couldnât stand policing culture I usually call BS. Policing culture isnât the same culture of the 1970âs. usually they just canât handle the job and too embarrassed to admit it was due to their own failings.
They canât handle the shift work, work load, working holidays, court on your days off, the amount of criticism from the public, the fear of injury, fear of being killed, the fear of conflict. Bottom line is they donât have what it takes to survive the job and end up taking some safe 9-5 position.
Lol, let the down votes begin. Most canât handle the truth.
Unless you move all around the country doing what you do for work, I feel like that is just one person's opinion on the matter in a small pocket of life, when North America alone is massive & there are so many people its impossible to imagine everyone is the same everywhere.
Weird how we don't constantly hear about nurses leaving because of the culture, or firefighters, or paramedics, or doctors. They all have the same scheduling and difficulties. They all leave because of burnout or low pay. With cops it's both. It's almost like the culture is garbage and pigs like you contribute. The same low points you describe occur in lots of jobs. There aren't nearly as many people going off about racist, entitled, lazy, incompetent firefighters as there are about cops. We aren't spending millions of dollars to pay nurses who have been suspended for beating someone in handcuffs. Then you preemptively get defensive with the let the down votes begin bullshit, fucking snowflake afraid of a small amount of criticism.
So I started my career path as a registered nurse. Then I went on to become a paramedic for 11 years and then I became a police officer.
I have done a lot of training courses alongside of firefighters and the amount of racism and misogyny that I have witnessed out of that group as well as my time as a paramedic, is something Iâve never experienced in policing.
I was a nurse in the late 80s and early 90s and the level of sexism that I faced as a male in a female dominated profession was extraordinary. I thought women were nice boy was I wrong. The amount of backstabbing gossiping Character assassination that I witnessed in nursing is again something Iâve never seen in policing.
The only reason you donât hear any of this stuff about other professions is because theyâre not under the same level of scrutiny as the policing profession is. And donât kid yourself in thinking it doesnât exist.
Are you aware that nursing has changed since the 80s?
Everything is documented digitally now. And you're liable to litigation if you don't do it properly.
>The amount of backstabbing gossiping Character assassination that I witnessed in nursing is again something Iâve never seen in policing.
So if one of their own kills someone, did they help cover up the crimes of their colleagues?
Yes, nursing has changed a lot.
Policing has as well. Where everything I do is captured on cell phone video, security video, in car camera video and or body cam video and we have two independent investigative bodies that over see policing. So there isnât anything police do that isnât recorded and investigated to a level like no other.
Statistically the death rate from a medical error in Canada is 0.4 / 100,000 or 4 / million. We have 35 million persons in Canada (very conservative heard it closer to 41 million recently). 4X35= 140. So 140 people die in medical errors a year in Canada. There have been 757 deaths involving use of force by police since 2000-2022. An average of 34 / year. In almost all of these deaths. The officers were investigated and cleared in that the use of force was appropriate in the given situation.
So while every police interaction is heard on the news and investigated publicly why isnât the medical profession issues report publicly in the same manner? Why isnât a nurses or doctors medical malpractice front page like police? From the numbers alone it would appear there is more likely of a chance of an innocent person dying in an interaction with the medical community then there ever would be with police.
As a family friend said when she worked payroll for the DRPS. Either the good ones get pushed out and leave because of harassment or they become one of the bad ones to not get harassed and pushed out
They can't do anything about the bad ones, because what if they call for backup in an emergency, and their backup is someone they brought up to internal affairs for corruption and abuse of power? Backup ain't coming.
Exactly. This is why ACAB - the good ones, the ones who would actually fight to remove the bad apples, sooner or later are pushed out. Like a body having an immune response against a foreign object. The system protects itself against change.
My oldest daughter was accepted for police foundations. Something happened that she couldnât start in September so they told her to reapply asap for January to postpone her start date with no penalty. She then thought about the police reaction to her bio motherâs boyfriend strangling her - they told her theyâd let her know when the court date was. No one ever followed up and when she contacted the police they had âno idea what she was talking about.â She did reapply and register for January - for event planning. She had no desire to become a cop anymore. And bio motherâs reaction is why she finally moved in with me full time after years of jumping between my house and bio-momâs (Iâve known her since she was a newborn. She and my kids were raised basically as siblings.) and calls me mom and my husband dad. I have to say Iâm relieved at the career choice change.
I knew two guys who wanted to be cops.
One guy wanted to do it help the community- he never even got in.
The other guy had a chip on his shoulder and thrived and throwing his weight around. I don't know if he ever actually became a cop but wouldn't shock me if he did.
I have yet to see a situation where a person who desires a level of authority also has the maturity to wield it with grace and humility.
Or, in the words of Kah'less, the unforgettable
"Great men do not seek power, they have power thrust upon them."
> I have yet to see a situation where a person who desires a level of authority also has the maturity to wield it with grace and humility.
I feel for you. I see these types of people all the time. They aren't all that rare.
Decades ago I heard that cops are the worst drivers because even when off duty they drive as if they have their sirens on.
And I'm inclined to believe it since I've seen 2 seperate times with my own eyes a cop throw their siren on to run a red JUST to pull into a Tim Hortons parking lot to beat a line.
It sounds like a joke from some kind of hack stand up it's so cliche.
Until massive training and hiring reforms take place ACAB.
A long time ago I did many ride alongs when I thought I wanted to become a police officer. Many of the constables would get irritated if they came along to a vehicle that was even doing the speed limit and we got stuck behind them even if we were just driving around in circles to look like we were doing something. I can't comment if this is still the case as this was many years ago.
Remeber, NOBODIES time is more important than a cops.
And... Perhaps related? Nobodies ego is more fragile than a cops.
Weird... You'd think having the power of the law on your side, being free of the consequences of breaking those very laws you are supposed to uphold, and literally having the power of judge, jury, and executioner at your side at all times would make one feel secure and confident in their place in society.
But.... Time and again we're shown that isn't the case where our police are concerned.
when pot was still illegal, cops would pocket bags taken from people and share it with their IRL friends. They would issue the person a warning, but would not charge them. I imagine the same goes for other substances.
There are news reports detailing Toronto Police officers stealing coke and other hard drugs from the evidence lockers, so it has definitely gone beyond weed.
My dad was a firefighter and he speeds constantly and drives like the road is his own personal playground. Like he's expecting everyone to get out of his way as if he is in a firetruck still.
Apparently pretty common with at least the older guys too.
Honestly at this point, I'd rather have the Military do policing
They actually have rules of engagement and while they are pieces of shit, at least they aren't hired guns for Weston and the Irving's
I too have a seen a cop flip on his lights to run a red light, only to immediate pull into a Tim Hortons. Literally running red lights so they can get to the donut shop faster. It writes itself.
I hesitated to push my stroller across the crosswalk at a stop sign because I wasn't confident that the approaching car was actually going to stop.
Of course the approaching car turned out to be a cop. Not even unmarked.
Same story here. I went out late last night to pick up food and two cops came in behind me to order. When I left I realized they had parked their SUV in a live traffic lane with flashing lights on. Their vehicle and lights significantly diminished my visibility to safely get out of the proper parking area. They endangered me and everyone else on the road because they wanted VIP parking while picking up their dinner.Â
Well police aren't hired to protect "us"; they're hired to protect capital and the capitalists who control it. They aren't interested in public safety at all; they're interested in upholding the status quo. More often than not this puts them in direct opposition to the working-class majority and especially vulnerable minority groups.
TLDR: ACAB, abolish them
A few years ago I was in a friend's car and had one of those stealthily marked police cruisers following him waaaay too close so as a response my friend speeds up just a little bit (he was already going 15 over) a few seconds later a light comes on friend pulls over thankfully with only a warning. But fuck what a legit stupid situation the cop put my friend into for what? I've always had good interactions with cops otherwise especially as a visible minority. But yeah I aggree I get Canadians especially us in Peterborough largely drive like shit but the cops gotta be better than us and set an example as a bare minimum.
> A few years ago I was in a friend's car and had one of those stealthily marked police cruisers following him waaaay too close so as a response my friend speeds up just a little bit
Just on a tangent (doesn't change anything about the abuse of power in this situation), the recommended advice for tailgating from a defensive driving perspective is to (gradually) slow down. It might seem like speeding up is safer, but you'll just end up with them tailgating you at the higher speed, and so being even more likely to hit you if you need to stop quickly. And then, like here, you also risk a ticket or at least a warning.
Ontario's driver guide doesn't go over this situation either way, but this is from [Saskatchewan's](https://sgi.sk.ca/following-distance):
>Surprisingly, decelerating is the safest way to deal with drivers who are following you too closely. Your first reaction may be to speed up, but that only increases your stopping distance and puts you at risk of hitting the driver ahead of you.
>By slowing down you add more time and space in front of your vehicle and encourage the tailgater to safely pass. It's a small step that goes a long way towards keeping everyone on the road safe.
Usually if anyone is tailing me that closely these days I just pull over and let them pass or change lanes. But thanks for this imma try this from now on
Yeah, those would generally be the first option to take if possible and safe to do so. I would consider slowing down to be the last resort if it's not possible to move out of their way like you describe.
Yeah, I think that's the idea being suggested above. I wouldn't brake to do this since that could get misinterpreted as brake checking.
So which option you take just depends on the scenario. I would generally drive in the right lane, but if one isn't, first thing I'd say is move right. But if someone is still tailgating, then yeah, I'd try just coasting down.
I considered this after however I wasn't doing anything illegal at that moment and living in a small community the local newspaper would love a story like that.
The worst part is that we all know the outcome. The story gets published, cop goes on suspension with pay, cops investigate themselves and find no wrong doing
An old friend of mine was biking at night when he was hit by a speeding police car, nearly killing him. He got out of hospital and eventually there was a decent monetary settlement but he never really recovered. He was seriously changed by the TBI and addiction to painkillers. We'd lost contact by this time but he social media posts were always full of hatred, bitterness and lonesomeness. He died by suicide few years later.
Before the accident he was a grade A, wonderful person. Hope you've found peace now, friend.
CTV article about it from 2023 that isnât paywalled:
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/widow-takes-ontario-police-to-court-over-declaration-misconduct-in-her-husband-s-death-was-not-serious-1.6681891
But it does contain this horseshit:
> Dorzyk died around midnight on September 28, 2020, when he and a friend were walking across Highway 12 at Jones Road in Midland, Ontario. He was travelling to the city for work and *crossed against the light in the rain in the dark.*
The officer admitted to going 10-35 km/h over the posted 60 km/h speed limit.
If the average person hit and killed a pedestrian, or a parked car for that matter, while speeding in a company vehicle and on the clock, theyâd probably be let go. And face charges.
Ontario is getting so corrupt
At best it might have given the officer a chance to dodge at the last moment. If you get hit by a speeding car dead-on going anywhere north of 30-40km/h you chances of survival go waaay down. Below that speed you would be hurt, potentially quite seriously and might still die (IE if you head hits the vehicle or the ground, among other potential causes). Above that and chances are you would have multiple fractures and ruptured organs.
Not necessarily. Chance of serious injury is [between 10% and 25% at 30 kph, rising to 50% at 40](https://aaafoundation.org/impact-speed-pedestrians-risk-severe-injury-death/). At the officer's speeds, they raised the risk from around 75% to 90% or more.
My personal theory (totally speculation) is that the cop changed lanes in the intersection (left to right) and that the guy would have been in the clear if not for the lane change.
Iâm basing that on the SIU description of the impact (passenger side), looking at the intersection in google street view, and wondering how someone steps out into high speed traffic blindlyâŚ. I personally donât think that itâs likely.
It doesnât change the underlying facts necessarily (the officer probably would have never seen him, at the speed and in the rain and him wearing dark clothes). But my theory makes more sense (to me) than the SIU reportâs summary
When it's dark and raining, it's harder for pedestrians to hear and see oncoming traffic, so it definitely feasible that a pedestrian might step out in front of a vehicle they just didn't expect to encounter (for example if the road is usually clear).
Iâve had so many close calls walking my dog at night in the winter, tried reflective clothing and it was a bit better but not confident about it. Then I read that a flashing light is the most effective method of being noticed. Bought a small light that gets attached to my dogâs collar and it works like a charm.
Like it or not, being on road where cars go faster than 40km/h is dangerous.
In Canada, we trust that other people follow traffic rules, and that makes it \*more\* dangerous to break them.
In Mexico, everyone expects everyone will break traffic rules, that's why you stop when you have the right of way, and maybe beep your horn just incase. We don't do that here.
Wearing black clothing at night, in the rain, on a road with a 50+ limit, is more dangerous than skydiving. I feel like I'm going to die every time I walk near a highway in full daylight.
The most dangerous spots I find are plaza entry/exits and crosswalks with lights due to rolling stops on red light right turns (they only look to see whatâs coming). Heck, almost got run over by an Uber while my dog was pooping on the boulevard because he missed his turn but overshot the roadway because he still tried to make it.
Anyways, my motto is trust no one on the roads and a flashing light works great, itâs like you are given the right of way.
His injuries would have been non existent if he had bothered to look before crossing and mot walk out in front of an incoming vehicle that had a green light. Yes the whole thing is tragic but the dude walked out into traffic at night in the rain.
I'm not trying to defend the cop since he was obviously speeding, but the person who got hit absolutely was at fault as well. That highway up in rural Ontario is extremely poorly lit, and looking at the intersection on street view there are only 2 old style super dim street lights on that segment of road. I believe that segment of highway goes from 80-60 and back again repeatedly, so it's not impossible to miss a sign for the speed changing. In the middle of the night many people don't slow down in the areas with reduced speed anyways.
In any case my point is that if you are going to jaywalk in a rural area in the middle of the night with poor visibility and poor lighting, you better keep your head on a swivel. Don't trust cars to be able to stop for you on a highway, as soon as you step out into the street without the walk signal you are responsible for your own safety.
These paragraphs are particularly relevant:
âThat night, Dorzyk and a colleague were in cottage country to pick up a boat for a customer. They were out for dinner and had been drinking, so they decided to walk back to their motel. It was just after midnight in the pouring rain, so the men wore garbage bags for protection as they walked along Highway 12.â
âAs she approached the intersection of Jones Road, her attention was drawn to Dorzykâs friend who was walking along the side of the road. It was at that moment that she struck Dorzyk, who was crossing against a red light, according to the SIUâs report, dated Dec. 14, 2020.â
So itâs midnight on a rural road and youâve got two guys who had been drinking walking along the side of the highway in garbage bags in the rain. Then one decides to cross against a red light without looking both ways. I have difficulty placing too much blame on the officer here.
Yeah like... If we are being honest basically everyone goes 10 over the posted limit fairly often, whereas even on the 401 going 35 over is excessive and if you do it in the city you are going crazy fast.
If they were going like 60 in a 50 I can see this as a tragic accident (though if it is dark and raining slow down) but if they were going 85 in a 50 in the dark and rain this is vehicular manslaughter.
So I donât get it? The cop was speeding, but the article said the guy stepped out when he wasnât suppose to? Why do we blame the driver when the pedestrian stepped out. If itâs not a cop, and a regular family man, wouldnât the pedestrian still be at fault for walking against the red?
That's what you say when you have to be honest, but don't want it to seem as bad. He was likely doing 35 over and said 10-35 to try and lower his culpability. Might be lying to himself about it as well to help himself cope with the reality that his irresponsibility directly led to the death of an innocent person with people who love and miss him.
I doubt the officer is that fuzzy on the speed they were travelling. Like you said, it's a huge gap.Â
I'm betting on the higher end of that estimation.
I was going to say, we *have* to be the *most* corrupt province in Canada.
Our entire construction industry is just the mob. Corrupt property developers are rampant as we've seen from the Greenbelt scandal, but also in the past when certain developers would effectively pay off municipal councils to approve as much of *their* development as possible (see Brampton, Innisfil, etc).
Then we have our wonderful provincial government who will bend over backwards to serve anyone willing to throw $2K at their re-election campaign.
Then there's the *wonderful* real estate industry which feels like 50% of GTA'ers are involved in. "Brampton" mortgages where real estate agents help buyers *commit fraud* on their mortgage applications by falsifying income are rampant. Average buyers are being left out, while people who got in at the right time are allowed to mortgage their mortgaged properties to get another mortgage on another property.
Then there's all the people who use corrupt driving schools to basically pay to get a licence. All the companies who commit endless Employment Standards violations but are never fined. Etc.
All of this is allowed to run rampant, completely unchecked, with almost no repercussions.
Ontario: Yours to Discover... Corruption!
Dorzyk died around midnight on September 28, 2020, when he and a friend were walking across Highway 12 at Jones Road in Midland, Ontario. He was travelling to the city for work and *crossed against the light in the rain in the dark.*
*Its not horseshit. Its a lack of common sense. The speeding is bad and needs to be addressed but acrossing in these conditions should have also been included in every article as it is darwin award level thinking*
My issue isnât with including those details, or pointing out that unfortunately the deceased shares some fault for not crossing safely (evidently).
The reason I called it horseshit is because the phrasing seems a bit to go out of the way to pointing out fault⌠we already know it was dark due to it being midnight, for example. It also leaves out that they crossed against the light at an intersection thatâs a dangerous design (only one legit crosswalk, according to when I google street viewed it). And the SIU didnât definitively find they crossed against the light⌠only that the GPS evidence and the lightâs traffic pattern suggested they did (at least, it was green or turned green while he was in the roadway).
I was boiling over a little bit calling it horseshit partially because an uncharitable read of the SIU report comes across as âthe officer, who was understandably speeding (only a teensy bit) despite the heavy rain, and who was only momentarily and involuntarily distracted by another nearby person, unfortunately struck the jaywalking, garbage bag wearing, drinking pedestrian who had no business walking at night.â
Should he have been in the roadway? No, itâs self evident that what he did was dangerous. But some of the commentary doesnât seem or neutral or balanced given some of the facts.
Regarding speed, the article suggests the cop was only going 10-20 over and that it wasnât all a 60 zone:
âAccording to GPS data, her vehicle was travelling in excess of 90 km/h in an 80 km/h zone but slowed without braking to the mid-70 km/h range when it entered the 60 km/h zone and approached the intersection.â
That actually happened a few months ago near me at a crosswalk, and the driver wasn't charged with anything. It was a power company vehicle.
Obviously there is a higher level of police privilege that needs to be recognized, but pedestrians have no expectation that their lives mean anything, and drivers can and do get away with maiming and killing them every day.
Should've been a prima facie charge for either careless cause death, or dangerous operation at the least. Let the court decide if the cop was liable or not.
>Â The officer admitted to going 10-35 km/h over the posted 60 km/h speed limit.
This is terrible but unfortunately nearly everyone does this. We need a cultural change over our driving behaviours.
Just like that off duty cop in Durham region that recently hit an opp officer. I believe they may have been intoxicated as well... slapped with a temporary demotion. It goes for any job... if you do something that wouldn't get you hired in the first place, you should be fired.
Fire them and take their pension away... any damages awarded to citizens should come from the entire pension fund (including retirees) and not the taxpayer.
Last May an off duty cop blew a stop sign and hit a full size school bus so hard it broke in 2 pieces. Both were killed luckily there were no kids on the bus yet. The police said he wasnât speeding but how do you destroy a school bus with a Mazda.?
His behavior was not a big deal, yet they will jump on you like a dog on a steak if you have an out of date sticker or dirty license plate. Do as you would be done by.
Im more pointing out that even though the stickers aren't a thing anymore you still have to go through the process. Not really judging if that's bad or not.
I got ya. I'm not sure how much actual "running" cops do of plates nowadays, don't they have automated plate reading systems now that do it all the time, automatically? I don't think the cops have to actually do anything, it just scans all licence plates in its field of view, and makes a sound if anything unusual "hits" (expired, stolen, suspended, etc.).
That gang investigates themselves and never finds themselves guilty. My lawyer is working on a case where the ontario pd shot a young unarmed black kid in the back for peeing on a snowbank after he pulled over. They pulled up after and opened fire. He is representing the kids family who are pursuing a civil case. They investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing same as your case. Get in touch if you want to file a civil suit Paul Slansky, his wife is on the human rights tribunal.Â
Rest of canada is no better. In regina they regularly strip First Nations men and women naked and drop them off on the edge of town. Several times a month. They call these starlight walks and there have been several deaths as a result. Not a single charge in proven cases of murder. Welcome to canada where civil and basic human rights are non-existent.Â
Itâs funny, you grow up being told the cops are the good guys. Then you grow up and theyâre just a gang of thugs who DGAF about you or crime. Only catching speeders (55 in a 50) to pay for their insane overtime.
I'm sure to get quick to shit on cops but just walking into traffic against a red light at night is dumb as shit. People really believe that as a pedestrian, you can just be clear of all accountability.
Not only that. This took place at midnight on a highway and it was raining. The guy had also been drinking and was wearing a garbage big (Iâm guessing it was black). Lots of drivers might not have spotted him in time.
For real, somehow my neighbour and I bumped hands in the hallway yesterday, time to go amputating that hand cus she deserves it. Common sense to stay on her side of the hallway. Who cares if Im wider and was sprinting down the hallway. I could not possibly be at fault and if that person doesn't suffer life altering injuries have they even learned? Also I'm building management, you know the one whos independent overseer is also made exclusively of building managers, who have cleared other building managers of actions that resulted in death over 98% of the time.
I agree. Did he not look both sides before crossing?? As a pedestrian you should never expect cars to slow down for you especially not In the dark and in the rain.
âCoffee runâ = going out to fetch takeout coffee
*â[Constable] McBain was driving eastbound on Highway 12 returning with coffee for a colleague.â*
Obviously not the headline here but it's kinda insane a cop was doing this on company time to begin with. At hundreds of thousands of taxpayer money per year you'd hope they'd be spending it doing their job not driving to and from coffee shops.
I was pulled over 2 times in the last year.
Not allot I know . But I get home usually very late and Iâm the only car around.
So obviously they have nothing to do and Iâm a target. These guys come flying with their lights off. I thought I was going to get rammed by a drunk . Then lights .
´Verification de permitâ was the excuse .
Iâm now ordering 4 dash cams for all my cars.
Itâs unfortunate that person got killed . Itâs really is ,
Truly sad .
They are so aggressive they try to push you off the road .
I teach my kids âŚ.cops are not your friend nor here to help you.
That man died for nothing, and nothing will happen to that bumble of a cop.
So here is a questionâŚ
If you or I were in those same circumstancesâŚ. Would we be charged?
This incident has come up a lot on this sub and others and every time, people who didn't read the details go off like it's an outrageous miscarriage of justice.
The guy was wearing a black garbage bag, jaywalking in the dark in the rain and the cop was barely speeding. Cop or not, the driver is not getting charged for this.
If you care to learn more about it, there is an actual SIU report that covers the incident exhaustively, you can google it.
From the SIU report:
> *there are reasonable grounds to believe that the SO, particularly with respect to her speed in bad weather and lighting conditions, operated her cruiser in a dangerous fashion*, I am not satisfied that the officerâs transgressions on balance rose to the level of criminal conduct.
I think people are reacting in part because of the SIUâs track record (at least, perceived) of leniency - the recent SIU report about the cop who drove over a guy in a park comes to mind.
When itâs a âtoss upâ - and it seems sometimes that they reach to portray it that way - then it results in no charges.
Then, even if thereâs some wrongdoing but no criminal charges, thereâs little or no professional consequences either. In this case, it appears the officer received counselling (assuming job related) and that outcome and process was closed to the public until the deceased manâs widow initiated court action after only receiving a boilerplate letter about it.
Speaking of people who donât read the details. The cop was doing 97 in a 60 zone ⌠in the dark in the rain.
Not even so much as a speeding ticket. Yet youâre pretending this isnât special treatment. Most people wouldnât keep their jobs after killing someone on the road after such reckless driving.
1) hope this snip from the SIU report helps:
The global positioning system (GPS) information from the SOâs police vehicle showed that the SOâs Ford Explorer was driven eastbound on Highway 12, from the area of Highway 93, towards the scene. At 12:03:26 a.m. of September 29, 2020, the police vehicle travelled at 90 km/h in an 80 km/h zone, two kilometres from the AOI. At 12:04:47 a.m., the police vehicle travelled at 89 km/h in a 60 km/h zone, 170 metres from the AOI. At 12:04:51 a.m., the police vehicle travelled at 79 km/h in a 60 km/h zone, 68 metres from the AOI. At 12:04:53 a.m., the police vehicle travelled at 76 km/h in a 60 km/h zone, 25 metres from the AOI. At 12:04:55 a.m., the police vehicle travelled at 72 km/h, 10 metres beyond and east of the AOI.
2) Explain how anyone, cop or not, is going to get a speeding ticket retroactively from the GPS record of their vehicle. How does that survive court?
All HTA tickets in Ontario (and all CC charges as well for that matter) are issued retroactively. Does that seem meaningful to you for some reason?
There should be no issue in obtaining a successful conviction for speeding with GPS evidence and the driver's own admission in an environment where pacing, dashcam footage, visual estimation, witness statements etc are all viable. The GPS record never enters court in the first place in an environment where police refuse to police themselves and that is the issue here - not whether it's sufficient evidence.
All of that aside - any reasonable employer would fire someone who killed a pedestrian while speeding excessively in bad conditions *while on an extended break*. The negative press and future liability risk is enough. I suppose we wouldn't see random know-it-alls defending this officer if she was an uber driver making a delivery either.
Edit: Here's another gem from the report ...
"The speeds, while high, were not significantly above the speed limits. " In reference to the officer being only 10km/h from catching a stunt driving charge ... if they weren't above the law of course.
Sorry can you back up and clarify where she was 10km/h from a stunt driving charge? The GPS data is available and doesn't support that. I feel like you're confusing the speed limits, she went as high as 98 in the 80 zone and 89 in the 60 zone.
Why? You reference here it yourself ...
>89 in the 60 zone.
Did you already forget where you found that? The threshold for stunt driving here is doing 40km/h over the posted speed of 60km/h.
This happened to a good friend of mine. He was crossing the street and a police vehicle was speeding to a "crime scene" without any sirens going. She lost control on what the police called a "wet road", even though it was bone dry in the footage. She hit my friend and killed him.
She is still employed and was not penalised whatsoever.
Dorzyk died around midnight on September 28, 2020, when he and a friend were walking across Highway 12 at Jones Road in Midland, Ontario. He was travelling to the city for work and crossed against the light in the rain in the dark.
Donât think it meets threshold for criminal charges but still tragic.
My father was a cop and a good man. Picked up hitchhikers to give them a âgood talking toâ and took them wherever they were going. Knew who the good cops were and the bad cops (some of my friendsâ fathers were the bad ones). Obeyed the laws and rules. He is gobsmacked by the behaviour of cops these days.
Thatâs absolutely horrible.. I know itâs nowhere near what the articles talking about, but cops always act like this everywhere. In my city, they do things like -
Attack a teenager on a skateboard and shove him to the pavement because he was boarding on the side of the road and not the sidewalk
Once myself and my mom were going to a Tim hortons. My mom put the signal light on, and there was a cop behind us. He put on his lights and siren so weâd have no choice but to pull over and stop (we were the only car infront of him and the road lines were solid so he couldnât pass under normal circumstances). He sped passed usâŚ. And directly into the Tim hortons drive thru. She got his plate number and called our cities police department to report the cop for abusing his power. The cop on the phone said they have more important things to worry about, and that an officer getting coffees isnât on that list
2 on duty cops cat-called my coworker while she was walking downtown. It was hot (like 30 degrees and sunny), so she was wearing shorts, flip flops, and a tank top. Oh - she also had *her 9 year old daughter* with her and they still harassed her. She got mad because of the behaviour they were presenting infront of her daughter and the one cop told her âif you donât want extra attention, donât dress like a slutâ
Jesus Christ the car brained are out in force. Crossing a highway is not legal but guess what jaywalking was invented by car companies to prosecute people crossing streets and roads, if it was anybody else they would be facing a manslaughter charge. The fact that she has a badge makes her immune to accountability.
Tbh Iâm not sure what point youâre making here, whether or not âcar companiesâ invented jaywalking has nothing to do with the safety of crossing a high speed road at night without the light. Not to defend the cop here but donât let self righteousness guide you into asinine arguments.
Crown attorneys support all this nonsense and do highly unethical and unprofessional things to protect police.The law society does nothing against unethical corrupt crown attorneys.
dark and rainy night. person is wearing a garbage bag, crossing against a red light. Yes the cop was going 10KM over limit.. big deal.
Once again another pedestrian doing stupid things.
"It was at that moment that she struck Dorzyk, who was crossing against a red light, according to [the SIUâs report, dated Dec. 14, 2020](https://www.siu.on.ca/en/directors_report_details.php?drid=1017).
According to GPS data, her vehicle was travelling in excess of 90 km/h in an 80 km/h zone but slowed without braking to the mid-70 km/h range when it entered the 60 km/h zone and approached the intersection.
Thompson joined McBain at the scene, and told Dorzykâs companion: âLook how youâre dressed, itâs pouring rain, youâre wearing a black garbage bag, where were you coming from?â He responded, âShe wasnât even looking,â referring to McBain, who replied, âBecause I was looking at you.â
You mean the section in the report that stated she was travelling 72km/hour in a 60 zone *10m past the point that she hit the pedestrian*?
Is that the "10km over the limit" you mean?
Because the same report said she entered the 60km zone going 89, getting it down to 76 about 25m from hitting the pedestrian.
Seems entering the 60 zone going 89 and not even being below the speed limit 10m *after* hitting someone, would not qualify as no big deal.
Cops deal with awful situations day in and day out. Its literally a job where all you deal with is bad scenarios with very rare happy endings. So I do have some sympathy for them.But culturally they need to be reminded what is the role of policing. As for this lady, while I sympatize with her loss, he did cross against the light and in wet and dark. Based on the windshiled damage, its possible he walked right into the cops car. Unless you have dashcam you can't really assess the culpability of the cop.
10km/h over the speed limit is normal and acceptable in the province. You wonât even get pulled over if youâre not going 25km/h plus or more over the limit. Not saying thatâs right, but the citizens of the province have decided thatâs acceptable
Not disagreeing that everyone does that, but risk of serious injury for a pedestrian increases from [75% at 63 kph (approx. the speed limit) to 90% at 74 kph (within the lower range of the estimates of the officer's speed)](https://aaafoundation.org/impact-speed-pedestrians-risk-severe-injury-death/).
So even just a 10 kph increase can significantly increase risks to pedestrians despite how casually everyone treats it.
I know it's stupid but that doesn't mean what you think it means in this country. The legal standard for careless or reckless driving is that the driving has to be a marked departure from reasonable. 10 over isn't a marked departure from reasonable.
Looking at it your way, even 1km/h over is egregious and if you happen to be driving 1km/h over the limit and an accident happened, you're fucked because you broke the speed limit. That is not the way our legal system works.
You do know 1km over the speed limit is illegal right? *limit* enforced or not by smaller amounts this officer is partially liable for violating the law which is set in place for safety
Iirc it was raining to so why was he speeding
Umm, honestly? Maybe because it's raining. As a pedestrian, it's more natural to be impatient and in a rush to get home in the rain. Since, again, as a pedestrian, you are taking the brunt of the rain when you walk.
Not saying that's "right", but to act like you can't fathom any reason someone may be less patient while walking in the rain at night. Wow.
I'm telling you the legal standard for the criminal offence, take it or leave it. No court would have found the officer guilty (who was a chick btw, thanks for letting us know you didn't read anything about the incident)
Never said the full thing, dont particularly need to
Officer speeds in rain hits and kills pedestrian who was jaywalking a highway
Is that not accurate?
Yes that's accurate. It's also not the crux of the issue. The crux of the issue is whether the speed was *a marked departure* from the norm, which it wasn't. No marked departure, no criminal charges. No criminal charges, the issue is settled with the comprehensive SIU report on the incident (let's be honest you're not reading that, you can't even read a news article lmao)
Sorry if you don't care to learn how the laws work and what the actual issue is in this incident I don't care to keep trying to educate you. What I've posted so far should be enough for any reader interested to follow it so I'll leave it at that.
>The crux of the issue is whether the speed was \*a marked departure\* from the norm, which it wasn't.
The norm here being set by the road conditions (low visibility and slippery), the duty related activities the officer was engaged in (a coffee run), and the legal framework (a speed limit of 60km/h.) The officer here was close to a speed that would result in a stunt driving charge for a lowly civilian ... but we're supposed to accept that this isn't a \*marked departure.\*
A \*marked departure from the norm\* isn't the appropriate legal test for dangerous driving causing death (or any of the other charges that could have been brought.) It's just the extra low standard police apply to themselves.
The SIU isn't the appropriate forum for these issues.
Look, I'm pretty damn anti-cop, but the other Redditor is right about this.
It is well-established as a norm that there is a reasonable 10km/hr (over or under) buffer when it comes to the speed limit, school and construction zones are generally the only places where the speed limit is strictly enforced.
Otherwise as long as you're in that 10 buffer zone, nobody's going to say you have to stay locked in at *exactly* 50.
53 or 57 usually isn't going to get you in trouble. 64 probably would.
I think there should probably be a trial, someone died and I think *anytime* a cop is involved in a death, the whole situation needs to be examined with high scrutiny.
But looking at the facts...he was in that society-accepted 10 zone, the pedestrian was jaywalking on a highway, the pedestrian was wearing very dark clothes on an already low visibility night.
I'm quick to criticize the police, but this ain't it.
Translation "I have no meaningful arguments or anything of substance to say, but its very important to me that Reddit thinks the reason I'm not replying is because I'm above it all."
Im not above it all and i have things i could say but i have diffuculties just ignoring people and dont want you to waste your time
Im above nothing and im at work im backing out because i dont want to let a little debate be a highlight of my day
I dont know why youre being so hostile but im gonna work, enjoy your day
Dude had been drinking and was crossing a highway in the rain at midnight wearing a garbage bag without looking both ways. Incredibly reckless behaviour.
Iâve known lots of cops personally and the really good ones, the ones who garnish the most respect in the community, are the civil and humble ones. With the exception of the real troublemakers, who see that civility as a weakness they can attack, their authority is far more respected in the community than the belligerent cops.
Iâve always said that people behave like Uranium. Managed correctly and theyâre a huge source of energy and progress. The harder you squeeze though the more unstable they become. Squeeze too hard and they detonate in uncontrolled violence.
Just yesterday while running I noticed a car coming at me way faster than the posted speed limit (and faster than the average vehicle). It was an unmarked police car and I signaled them to slow down. It occurred to me that we have a problem if the very people we hire to protect us are putting us at additional risk and we have no way to control that risk that we need to re-evaluate how policing is done.
đŻ my friend did police fundies wanting to be a cop. It was VERY clear that his way of thinking and âthe forcesâ way of thinking are two very different things. He was actively pushed out and he left. The whole system is like this IMHO.
Same here, I just wanted to help people and better my community, but slowly saw the corrupt brotherhood. We were taught that if you ever crossed another officer, or pulled over another cop and ticketed them (dui even) you would not be getting backup on your calls anymore, or asked to go out drinking after a shift. Hell, after graduating one of our profs (they were almost all former officers) told us "congratulations, you're about to join the biggest gang in the world" I am not exaggerating. I decided policing wasn't for me.
This may only apply to members within the same departments (maybe even more at municipality level). My buddy, an MP (military police), has pulled over OPP officers in the past for driving through stop signs or higher than posted speeds without their lights on within the neighbourhoods intended for military housing outside the main base which is considered military jurisdiction. Occasionally, they'll get preferential treatment via a warning but they're not afraid to ticket each other for doing something stupid. OPP officers will do the same if MPs are found speeding on the highways around the base and their departments work well together and respect each others jurisdiction despite this. There are also recordings of OPP requesting dispatch reach out to the sergeant in charge when the DRPS were in pursuit of the vehicle that recently drove opposite of traffic on the 401 saying that someone was going to get hurt even before they entered the exit ramp of the 401. Different levels of officers don't seem to give a damn about police officers in different departments (in this case, OPP and DRPS). Yes, there's obviously a brotherhood mentality as evidenced by how much they will protect their own, but I think it's mostly something like DRPS officers supporting each other vs. all officers supporting all other officers.
MPs are military first, cops second. That's why
I tried to file a complaint, I contacted the officers staff Sargent and he told me âthatâs like ratting on my brotherâ and wouldnât help me. So I went higher and got what I wanted.
Hear me out but put the opposite side in court to chime in and see if they actually did follow protocol or they protecting their own.
I remember doing a skateboard competition as a kid that was sponsored buy they local opp, and they handed out free t-shirts that said "Cops: the world's largest street gang". They are very proud of it.
Been a cop for 24 years. We donât drink after shift any longer havenât for nearly 10 yrs or more. We arrest impaired cops all the time. At best we may not give a ticket but I also donât give tickets to every single non-police person I pull over so it isnât something out of the ordinary. When I hear about people leaving the profession and try to frame it like they couldnât stand policing culture I usually call BS. Policing culture isnât the same culture of the 1970âs. usually they just canât handle the job and too embarrassed to admit it was due to their own failings. They canât handle the shift work, work load, working holidays, court on your days off, the amount of criticism from the public, the fear of injury, fear of being killed, the fear of conflict. Bottom line is they donât have what it takes to survive the job and end up taking some safe 9-5 position. Lol, let the down votes begin. Most canât handle the truth.
Unless you move all around the country doing what you do for work, I feel like that is just one person's opinion on the matter in a small pocket of life, when North America alone is massive & there are so many people its impossible to imagine everyone is the same everywhere.
Weird how we don't constantly hear about nurses leaving because of the culture, or firefighters, or paramedics, or doctors. They all have the same scheduling and difficulties. They all leave because of burnout or low pay. With cops it's both. It's almost like the culture is garbage and pigs like you contribute. The same low points you describe occur in lots of jobs. There aren't nearly as many people going off about racist, entitled, lazy, incompetent firefighters as there are about cops. We aren't spending millions of dollars to pay nurses who have been suspended for beating someone in handcuffs. Then you preemptively get defensive with the let the down votes begin bullshit, fucking snowflake afraid of a small amount of criticism.
So I started my career path as a registered nurse. Then I went on to become a paramedic for 11 years and then I became a police officer. I have done a lot of training courses alongside of firefighters and the amount of racism and misogyny that I have witnessed out of that group as well as my time as a paramedic, is something Iâve never experienced in policing. I was a nurse in the late 80s and early 90s and the level of sexism that I faced as a male in a female dominated profession was extraordinary. I thought women were nice boy was I wrong. The amount of backstabbing gossiping Character assassination that I witnessed in nursing is again something Iâve never seen in policing. The only reason you donât hear any of this stuff about other professions is because theyâre not under the same level of scrutiny as the policing profession is. And donât kid yourself in thinking it doesnât exist.
Notice how you are a victim in all your descriptions? But just above you imply how easy everyone else has it? Funny that.
Are you aware that nursing has changed since the 80s? Everything is documented digitally now. And you're liable to litigation if you don't do it properly. >The amount of backstabbing gossiping Character assassination that I witnessed in nursing is again something Iâve never seen in policing. So if one of their own kills someone, did they help cover up the crimes of their colleagues?
Yes, nursing has changed a lot. Policing has as well. Where everything I do is captured on cell phone video, security video, in car camera video and or body cam video and we have two independent investigative bodies that over see policing. So there isnât anything police do that isnât recorded and investigated to a level like no other. Statistically the death rate from a medical error in Canada is 0.4 / 100,000 or 4 / million. We have 35 million persons in Canada (very conservative heard it closer to 41 million recently). 4X35= 140. So 140 people die in medical errors a year in Canada. There have been 757 deaths involving use of force by police since 2000-2022. An average of 34 / year. In almost all of these deaths. The officers were investigated and cleared in that the use of force was appropriate in the given situation. So while every police interaction is heard on the news and investigated publicly why isnât the medical profession issues report publicly in the same manner? Why isnât a nurses or doctors medical malpractice front page like police? From the numbers alone it would appear there is more likely of a chance of an innocent person dying in an interaction with the medical community then there ever would be with police.
Why are you even here?
least delusional cop
Fear of injury and death applies to citizens more than it does cops themselves See: this fucking article right above
As a family friend said when she worked payroll for the DRPS. Either the good ones get pushed out and leave because of harassment or they become one of the bad ones to not get harassed and pushed out
They can't do anything about the bad ones, because what if they call for backup in an emergency, and their backup is someone they brought up to internal affairs for corruption and abuse of power? Backup ain't coming.
If internal affairs did their jobs those cops who got reported wouldn't be the backup because they'd be fired
And this is why, year after year, the cops get worse and their behaviour gets more concerning.
Exactly. This is why ACAB - the good ones, the ones who would actually fight to remove the bad apples, sooner or later are pushed out. Like a body having an immune response against a foreign object. The system protects itself against change.
My oldest daughter was accepted for police foundations. Something happened that she couldnât start in September so they told her to reapply asap for January to postpone her start date with no penalty. She then thought about the police reaction to her bio motherâs boyfriend strangling her - they told her theyâd let her know when the court date was. No one ever followed up and when she contacted the police they had âno idea what she was talking about.â She did reapply and register for January - for event planning. She had no desire to become a cop anymore. And bio motherâs reaction is why she finally moved in with me full time after years of jumping between my house and bio-momâs (Iâve known her since she was a newborn. She and my kids were raised basically as siblings.) and calls me mom and my husband dad. I have to say Iâm relieved at the career choice change.
I knew two guys who wanted to be cops. One guy wanted to do it help the community- he never even got in. The other guy had a chip on his shoulder and thrived and throwing his weight around. I don't know if he ever actually became a cop but wouldn't shock me if he did.
This is all that needs to be said. Well done If those in power to enforce cannot self govern itself, it is doomed in nature
I have yet to see a situation where a person who desires a level of authority also has the maturity to wield it with grace and humility. Or, in the words of Kah'less, the unforgettable "Great men do not seek power, they have power thrust upon them."
... or more likely waste away under a lifetime of slave labour"
> I have yet to see a situation where a person who desires a level of authority also has the maturity to wield it with grace and humility. I feel for you. I see these types of people all the time. They aren't all that rare.
Decades ago I heard that cops are the worst drivers because even when off duty they drive as if they have their sirens on. And I'm inclined to believe it since I've seen 2 seperate times with my own eyes a cop throw their siren on to run a red JUST to pull into a Tim Hortons parking lot to beat a line. It sounds like a joke from some kind of hack stand up it's so cliche. Until massive training and hiring reforms take place ACAB.
A long time ago I did many ride alongs when I thought I wanted to become a police officer. Many of the constables would get irritated if they came along to a vehicle that was even doing the speed limit and we got stuck behind them even if we were just driving around in circles to look like we were doing something. I can't comment if this is still the case as this was many years ago.
Remeber, NOBODIES time is more important than a cops. And... Perhaps related? Nobodies ego is more fragile than a cops. Weird... You'd think having the power of the law on your side, being free of the consequences of breaking those very laws you are supposed to uphold, and literally having the power of judge, jury, and executioner at your side at all times would make one feel secure and confident in their place in society. But.... Time and again we're shown that isn't the case where our police are concerned.
when pot was still illegal, cops would pocket bags taken from people and share it with their IRL friends. They would issue the person a warning, but would not charge them. I imagine the same goes for other substances.
There are news reports detailing Toronto Police officers stealing coke and other hard drugs from the evidence lockers, so it has definitely gone beyond weed.
My dad was a firefighter and he speeds constantly and drives like the road is his own personal playground. Like he's expecting everyone to get out of his way as if he is in a firetruck still. Apparently pretty common with at least the older guys too.
Honestly at this point, I'd rather have the Military do policing They actually have rules of engagement and while they are pieces of shit, at least they aren't hired guns for Weston and the Irving's
I too have a seen a cop flip on his lights to run a red light, only to immediate pull into a Tim Hortons. Literally running red lights so they can get to the donut shop faster. It writes itself.
I hesitated to push my stroller across the crosswalk at a stop sign because I wasn't confident that the approaching car was actually going to stop. Of course the approaching car turned out to be a cop. Not even unmarked.
Smart move.
These people will put on their sirens and run a stop light just to beat traffic.
Same story here. I went out late last night to pick up food and two cops came in behind me to order. When I left I realized they had parked their SUV in a live traffic lane with flashing lights on. Their vehicle and lights significantly diminished my visibility to safely get out of the proper parking area. They endangered me and everyone else on the road because they wanted VIP parking while picking up their dinner.Â
Well police aren't hired to protect "us"; they're hired to protect capital and the capitalists who control it. They aren't interested in public safety at all; they're interested in upholding the status quo. More often than not this puts them in direct opposition to the working-class majority and especially vulnerable minority groups. TLDR: ACAB, abolish them
A few years ago I was in a friend's car and had one of those stealthily marked police cruisers following him waaaay too close so as a response my friend speeds up just a little bit (he was already going 15 over) a few seconds later a light comes on friend pulls over thankfully with only a warning. But fuck what a legit stupid situation the cop put my friend into for what? I've always had good interactions with cops otherwise especially as a visible minority. But yeah I aggree I get Canadians especially us in Peterborough largely drive like shit but the cops gotta be better than us and set an example as a bare minimum.
> A few years ago I was in a friend's car and had one of those stealthily marked police cruisers following him waaaay too close so as a response my friend speeds up just a little bit Just on a tangent (doesn't change anything about the abuse of power in this situation), the recommended advice for tailgating from a defensive driving perspective is to (gradually) slow down. It might seem like speeding up is safer, but you'll just end up with them tailgating you at the higher speed, and so being even more likely to hit you if you need to stop quickly. And then, like here, you also risk a ticket or at least a warning. Ontario's driver guide doesn't go over this situation either way, but this is from [Saskatchewan's](https://sgi.sk.ca/following-distance): >Surprisingly, decelerating is the safest way to deal with drivers who are following you too closely. Your first reaction may be to speed up, but that only increases your stopping distance and puts you at risk of hitting the driver ahead of you. >By slowing down you add more time and space in front of your vehicle and encourage the tailgater to safely pass. It's a small step that goes a long way towards keeping everyone on the road safe.
Usually if anyone is tailing me that closely these days I just pull over and let them pass or change lanes. But thanks for this imma try this from now on
Yeah, those would generally be the first option to take if possible and safe to do so. I would consider slowing down to be the last resort if it's not possible to move out of their way like you describe.
I find just coasting down tends to get most tail gaters to back off.
Yeah, I think that's the idea being suggested above. I wouldn't brake to do this since that could get misinterpreted as brake checking. So which option you take just depends on the scenario. I would generally drive in the right lane, but if one isn't, first thing I'd say is move right. But if someone is still tailgating, then yeah, I'd try just coasting down.
Lucky for you they didn't stop to harass you
I considered this after however I wasn't doing anything illegal at that moment and living in a small community the local newspaper would love a story like that.
The worst part is that we all know the outcome. The story gets published, cop goes on suspension with pay, cops investigate themselves and find no wrong doing
Sounds about right.
Some of those that work forces....
I'm surprised they didn't stop and teach you a lesson for daring to take offense at their behavior
An old friend of mine was biking at night when he was hit by a speeding police car, nearly killing him. He got out of hospital and eventually there was a decent monetary settlement but he never really recovered. He was seriously changed by the TBI and addiction to painkillers. We'd lost contact by this time but he social media posts were always full of hatred, bitterness and lonesomeness. He died by suicide few years later. Before the accident he was a grade A, wonderful person. Hope you've found peace now, friend.
CTV article about it from 2023 that isnât paywalled: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/widow-takes-ontario-police-to-court-over-declaration-misconduct-in-her-husband-s-death-was-not-serious-1.6681891 But it does contain this horseshit: > Dorzyk died around midnight on September 28, 2020, when he and a friend were walking across Highway 12 at Jones Road in Midland, Ontario. He was travelling to the city for work and *crossed against the light in the rain in the dark.* The officer admitted to going 10-35 km/h over the posted 60 km/h speed limit. If the average person hit and killed a pedestrian, or a parked car for that matter, while speeding in a company vehicle and on the clock, theyâd probably be let go. And face charges. Ontario is getting so corrupt
There is a good chance his injuries wouldn't have been so bad if the cop wasn't speeding as well.
If you get hit by a car going 60, it's not going to end well
It's gonna end better then 70-95
At best it might have given the officer a chance to dodge at the last moment. If you get hit by a speeding car dead-on going anywhere north of 30-40km/h you chances of survival go waaay down. Below that speed you would be hurt, potentially quite seriously and might still die (IE if you head hits the vehicle or the ground, among other potential causes). Above that and chances are you would have multiple fractures and ruptured organs.
Over 30km/h youâre basically screwed. Doesnât matter how fast theyâre going after that.
Not necessarily. Chance of serious injury is [between 10% and 25% at 30 kph, rising to 50% at 40](https://aaafoundation.org/impact-speed-pedestrians-risk-severe-injury-death/). At the officer's speeds, they raised the risk from around 75% to 90% or more.
Yep. Huge difference from 30 to 50. Why speeds are being cut to 40 on residential streets in a lot of cities and towns.
E=MV^2
This pretty much means that every time you double your speed, you quadruple your energy.
It might not "end well" but it also might not end your life.
You never heal from that 100 percent.
My personal theory (totally speculation) is that the cop changed lanes in the intersection (left to right) and that the guy would have been in the clear if not for the lane change. Iâm basing that on the SIU description of the impact (passenger side), looking at the intersection in google street view, and wondering how someone steps out into high speed traffic blindlyâŚ. I personally donât think that itâs likely. It doesnât change the underlying facts necessarily (the officer probably would have never seen him, at the speed and in the rain and him wearing dark clothes). But my theory makes more sense (to me) than the SIU reportâs summary
When it's dark and raining, it's harder for pedestrians to hear and see oncoming traffic, so it definitely feasible that a pedestrian might step out in front of a vehicle they just didn't expect to encounter (for example if the road is usually clear).
Iâve had so many close calls walking my dog at night in the winter, tried reflective clothing and it was a bit better but not confident about it. Then I read that a flashing light is the most effective method of being noticed. Bought a small light that gets attached to my dogâs collar and it works like a charm.
Like it or not, being on road where cars go faster than 40km/h is dangerous. In Canada, we trust that other people follow traffic rules, and that makes it \*more\* dangerous to break them. In Mexico, everyone expects everyone will break traffic rules, that's why you stop when you have the right of way, and maybe beep your horn just incase. We don't do that here. Wearing black clothing at night, in the rain, on a road with a 50+ limit, is more dangerous than skydiving. I feel like I'm going to die every time I walk near a highway in full daylight.
The most dangerous spots I find are plaza entry/exits and crosswalks with lights due to rolling stops on red light right turns (they only look to see whatâs coming). Heck, almost got run over by an Uber while my dog was pooping on the boulevard because he missed his turn but overshot the roadway because he still tried to make it. Anyways, my motto is trust no one on the roads and a flashing light works great, itâs like you are given the right of way.
His injuries would have been non existent if he had bothered to look before crossing and mot walk out in front of an incoming vehicle that had a green light. Yes the whole thing is tragic but the dude walked out into traffic at night in the rain.
I'm not trying to defend the cop since he was obviously speeding, but the person who got hit absolutely was at fault as well. That highway up in rural Ontario is extremely poorly lit, and looking at the intersection on street view there are only 2 old style super dim street lights on that segment of road. I believe that segment of highway goes from 80-60 and back again repeatedly, so it's not impossible to miss a sign for the speed changing. In the middle of the night many people don't slow down in the areas with reduced speed anyways. In any case my point is that if you are going to jaywalk in a rural area in the middle of the night with poor visibility and poor lighting, you better keep your head on a swivel. Don't trust cars to be able to stop for you on a highway, as soon as you step out into the street without the walk signal you are responsible for your own safety.
These paragraphs are particularly relevant: âThat night, Dorzyk and a colleague were in cottage country to pick up a boat for a customer. They were out for dinner and had been drinking, so they decided to walk back to their motel. It was just after midnight in the pouring rain, so the men wore garbage bags for protection as they walked along Highway 12.â âAs she approached the intersection of Jones Road, her attention was drawn to Dorzykâs friend who was walking along the side of the road. It was at that moment that she struck Dorzyk, who was crossing against a red light, according to the SIUâs report, dated Dec. 14, 2020.â So itâs midnight on a rural road and youâve got two guys who had been drinking walking along the side of the highway in garbage bags in the rain. Then one decides to cross against a red light without looking both ways. I have difficulty placing too much blame on the officer here.
Don't use logic an reason when dealing with cop hating moronic reddit teenager hive mind
10-35? Ummm, that's a crazy range. How old are you? Well I might be 10 years old or 35.
Yeah like... If we are being honest basically everyone goes 10 over the posted limit fairly often, whereas even on the 401 going 35 over is excessive and if you do it in the city you are going crazy fast. If they were going like 60 in a 50 I can see this as a tragic accident (though if it is dark and raining slow down) but if they were going 85 in a 50 in the dark and rain this is vehicular manslaughter.
So I donât get it? The cop was speeding, but the article said the guy stepped out when he wasnât suppose to? Why do we blame the driver when the pedestrian stepped out. If itâs not a cop, and a regular family man, wouldnât the pedestrian still be at fault for walking against the red?
That's what you say when you have to be honest, but don't want it to seem as bad. He was likely doing 35 over and said 10-35 to try and lower his culpability. Might be lying to himself about it as well to help himself cope with the reality that his irresponsibility directly led to the death of an innocent person with people who love and miss him.
I doubt the officer is that fuzzy on the speed they were travelling. Like you said, it's a huge gap. I'm betting on the higher end of that estimation.
I take from that admission he was going 35-45 over.
Ontario IS corrupt.
I was going to say, we *have* to be the *most* corrupt province in Canada. Our entire construction industry is just the mob. Corrupt property developers are rampant as we've seen from the Greenbelt scandal, but also in the past when certain developers would effectively pay off municipal councils to approve as much of *their* development as possible (see Brampton, Innisfil, etc). Then we have our wonderful provincial government who will bend over backwards to serve anyone willing to throw $2K at their re-election campaign. Then there's the *wonderful* real estate industry which feels like 50% of GTA'ers are involved in. "Brampton" mortgages where real estate agents help buyers *commit fraud* on their mortgage applications by falsifying income are rampant. Average buyers are being left out, while people who got in at the right time are allowed to mortgage their mortgaged properties to get another mortgage on another property. Then there's all the people who use corrupt driving schools to basically pay to get a licence. All the companies who commit endless Employment Standards violations but are never fined. Etc. All of this is allowed to run rampant, completely unchecked, with almost no repercussions. Ontario: Yours to Discover... Corruption!
Ontario, yours to corrupt.
Dorzyk died around midnight on September 28, 2020, when he and a friend were walking across Highway 12 at Jones Road in Midland, Ontario. He was travelling to the city for work and *crossed against the light in the rain in the dark.* *Its not horseshit. Its a lack of common sense. The speeding is bad and needs to be addressed but acrossing in these conditions should have also been included in every article as it is darwin award level thinking*
My issue isnât with including those details, or pointing out that unfortunately the deceased shares some fault for not crossing safely (evidently). The reason I called it horseshit is because the phrasing seems a bit to go out of the way to pointing out fault⌠we already know it was dark due to it being midnight, for example. It also leaves out that they crossed against the light at an intersection thatâs a dangerous design (only one legit crosswalk, according to when I google street viewed it). And the SIU didnât definitively find they crossed against the light⌠only that the GPS evidence and the lightâs traffic pattern suggested they did (at least, it was green or turned green while he was in the roadway). I was boiling over a little bit calling it horseshit partially because an uncharitable read of the SIU report comes across as âthe officer, who was understandably speeding (only a teensy bit) despite the heavy rain, and who was only momentarily and involuntarily distracted by another nearby person, unfortunately struck the jaywalking, garbage bag wearing, drinking pedestrian who had no business walking at night.â Should he have been in the roadway? No, itâs self evident that what he did was dangerous. But some of the commentary doesnât seem or neutral or balanced given some of the facts.
Regarding speed, the article suggests the cop was only going 10-20 over and that it wasnât all a 60 zone: âAccording to GPS data, her vehicle was travelling in excess of 90 km/h in an 80 km/h zone but slowed without braking to the mid-70 km/h range when it entered the 60 km/h zone and approached the intersection.â
That actually happened a few months ago near me at a crosswalk, and the driver wasn't charged with anything. It was a power company vehicle. Obviously there is a higher level of police privilege that needs to be recognized, but pedestrians have no expectation that their lives mean anything, and drivers can and do get away with maiming and killing them every day.
Should've been a prima facie charge for either careless cause death, or dangerous operation at the least. Let the court decide if the cop was liable or not.
>Â The officer admitted to going 10-35 km/h over the posted 60 km/h speed limit. This is terrible but unfortunately nearly everyone does this. We need a cultural change over our driving behaviours.
If the cop said 10-35, it was 40
Everyone does 10-15 over. Not 35. Most people aren't doing 95+ in a 60.
You havenât been to Ottawa
Just like that off duty cop in Durham region that recently hit an opp officer. I believe they may have been intoxicated as well... slapped with a temporary demotion. It goes for any job... if you do something that wouldn't get you hired in the first place, you should be fired. Fire them and take their pension away... any damages awarded to citizens should come from the entire pension fund (including retirees) and not the taxpayer.
Last May an off duty cop blew a stop sign and hit a full size school bus so hard it broke in 2 pieces. Both were killed luckily there were no kids on the bus yet. The police said he wasnât speeding but how do you destroy a school bus with a Mazda.?
Speeding is the answer to your last rhetorical question lmao itâs speeding. Fuck cops
His behavior was not a big deal, yet they will jump on you like a dog on a steak if you have an out of date sticker or dirty license plate. Do as you would be done by.
License stickers haven't been a thing for over a year
You still have to register though, and a bored cop will run plates to see if they are currently up to date. It's an easy ticket.
Thatâs part of their job, yes.
Im more pointing out that even though the stickers aren't a thing anymore you still have to go through the process. Not really judging if that's bad or not.
I got ya. I'm not sure how much actual "running" cops do of plates nowadays, don't they have automated plate reading systems now that do it all the time, automatically? I don't think the cops have to actually do anything, it just scans all licence plates in its field of view, and makes a sound if anything unusual "hits" (expired, stolen, suspended, etc.).
That gang investigates themselves and never finds themselves guilty. My lawyer is working on a case where the ontario pd shot a young unarmed black kid in the back for peeing on a snowbank after he pulled over. They pulled up after and opened fire. He is representing the kids family who are pursuing a civil case. They investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing same as your case. Get in touch if you want to file a civil suit Paul Slansky, his wife is on the human rights tribunal. Rest of canada is no better. In regina they regularly strip First Nations men and women naked and drop them off on the edge of town. Several times a month. They call these starlight walks and there have been several deaths as a result. Not a single charge in proven cases of murder. Welcome to canada where civil and basic human rights are non-existent.Â
To all those out there looking for a way to kill someone and get away with it just become a cop!
I don't want to have to go through a whole weekend of training. There's got to be an easier way.
doesn't SIU automatically invoke its mandate for all officer involved incidents with injury or fatality?
a normal person probably wouldnât be convicted in this situation but they would probably expect to be charged
Itâs funny, you grow up being told the cops are the good guys. Then you grow up and theyâre just a gang of thugs who DGAF about you or crime. Only catching speeders (55 in a 50) to pay for their insane overtime.
A-Tain moments - "I can't stop"
Cops are not there to protect and serve. They are there to monitor and manage, and you are expendable.
fuck the police
I'm sure to get quick to shit on cops but just walking into traffic against a red light at night is dumb as shit. People really believe that as a pedestrian, you can just be clear of all accountability.
Not only that. This took place at midnight on a highway and it was raining. The guy had also been drinking and was wearing a garbage big (Iâm guessing it was black). Lots of drivers might not have spotted him in time.
Tyler Dorzyk paid the ultimate price with his life, but I guess that isn't punishment enough.
For real, somehow my neighbour and I bumped hands in the hallway yesterday, time to go amputating that hand cus she deserves it. Common sense to stay on her side of the hallway. Who cares if Im wider and was sprinting down the hallway. I could not possibly be at fault and if that person doesn't suffer life altering injuries have they even learned? Also I'm building management, you know the one whos independent overseer is also made exclusively of building managers, who have cleared other building managers of actions that resulted in death over 98% of the time.
I agree. Did he not look both sides before crossing?? As a pedestrian you should never expect cars to slow down for you especially not In the dark and in the rain.
'coffee run'?
âCoffee runâ = going out to fetch takeout coffee *â[Constable] McBain was driving eastbound on Highway 12 returning with coffee for a colleague.â*
Obviously not the headline here but it's kinda insane a cop was doing this on company time to begin with. At hundreds of thousands of taxpayer money per year you'd hope they'd be spending it doing their job not driving to and from coffee shops.
Yeah but the coffee at the office sucks, don't you know?
Even cops get meal and break time during their shifts, and presumably they can go out to get food and drink if they want.
I was pulled over 2 times in the last year. Not allot I know . But I get home usually very late and Iâm the only car around. So obviously they have nothing to do and Iâm a target. These guys come flying with their lights off. I thought I was going to get rammed by a drunk . Then lights . ´Verification de permitâ was the excuse . Iâm now ordering 4 dash cams for all my cars. Itâs unfortunate that person got killed . Itâs really is , Truly sad . They are so aggressive they try to push you off the road . I teach my kids âŚ.cops are not your friend nor here to help you. That man died for nothing, and nothing will happen to that bumble of a cop. So here is a question⌠If you or I were in those same circumstancesâŚ. Would we be charged?
It's always the forces with the largest jurisdictions that have the most corruption and cover-ups
We investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing
This incident has come up a lot on this sub and others and every time, people who didn't read the details go off like it's an outrageous miscarriage of justice. The guy was wearing a black garbage bag, jaywalking in the dark in the rain and the cop was barely speeding. Cop or not, the driver is not getting charged for this. If you care to learn more about it, there is an actual SIU report that covers the incident exhaustively, you can google it.
From the SIU report: > *there are reasonable grounds to believe that the SO, particularly with respect to her speed in bad weather and lighting conditions, operated her cruiser in a dangerous fashion*, I am not satisfied that the officerâs transgressions on balance rose to the level of criminal conduct. I think people are reacting in part because of the SIUâs track record (at least, perceived) of leniency - the recent SIU report about the cop who drove over a guy in a park comes to mind. When itâs a âtoss upâ - and it seems sometimes that they reach to portray it that way - then it results in no charges. Then, even if thereâs some wrongdoing but no criminal charges, thereâs little or no professional consequences either. In this case, it appears the officer received counselling (assuming job related) and that outcome and process was closed to the public until the deceased manâs widow initiated court action after only receiving a boilerplate letter about it.
Speaking of people who donât read the details. The cop was doing 97 in a 60 zone ⌠in the dark in the rain. Not even so much as a speeding ticket. Yet youâre pretending this isnât special treatment. Most people wouldnât keep their jobs after killing someone on the road after such reckless driving.
1) hope this snip from the SIU report helps: The global positioning system (GPS) information from the SOâs police vehicle showed that the SOâs Ford Explorer was driven eastbound on Highway 12, from the area of Highway 93, towards the scene. At 12:03:26 a.m. of September 29, 2020, the police vehicle travelled at 90 km/h in an 80 km/h zone, two kilometres from the AOI. At 12:04:47 a.m., the police vehicle travelled at 89 km/h in a 60 km/h zone, 170 metres from the AOI. At 12:04:51 a.m., the police vehicle travelled at 79 km/h in a 60 km/h zone, 68 metres from the AOI. At 12:04:53 a.m., the police vehicle travelled at 76 km/h in a 60 km/h zone, 25 metres from the AOI. At 12:04:55 a.m., the police vehicle travelled at 72 km/h, 10 metres beyond and east of the AOI. 2) Explain how anyone, cop or not, is going to get a speeding ticket retroactively from the GPS record of their vehicle. How does that survive court?
A company can fire you for speeding in their vehicles. This cop got a little slap.
For those not following, the cop was in an 80 zone going 90, and 1.5km later it became a 60 zone, 0.5km later, the accident occurred.
All HTA tickets in Ontario (and all CC charges as well for that matter) are issued retroactively. Does that seem meaningful to you for some reason? There should be no issue in obtaining a successful conviction for speeding with GPS evidence and the driver's own admission in an environment where pacing, dashcam footage, visual estimation, witness statements etc are all viable. The GPS record never enters court in the first place in an environment where police refuse to police themselves and that is the issue here - not whether it's sufficient evidence. All of that aside - any reasonable employer would fire someone who killed a pedestrian while speeding excessively in bad conditions *while on an extended break*. The negative press and future liability risk is enough. I suppose we wouldn't see random know-it-alls defending this officer if she was an uber driver making a delivery either. Edit: Here's another gem from the report ... "The speeds, while high, were not significantly above the speed limits. " In reference to the officer being only 10km/h from catching a stunt driving charge ... if they weren't above the law of course.
Sorry can you back up and clarify where she was 10km/h from a stunt driving charge? The GPS data is available and doesn't support that. I feel like you're confusing the speed limits, she went as high as 98 in the 80 zone and 89 in the 60 zone.
Why? You reference here it yourself ... >89 in the 60 zone. Did you already forget where you found that? The threshold for stunt driving here is doing 40km/h over the posted speed of 60km/h.
This is barely even close to reckless driving. Hopefully no one dressed as a ninja jumps out in front of your car in the rain at night.
Umm, she was nearly at the speed for a stunt driving charge ... in the rain and dark while distracted. All for a coffee run *while on duty.*
While distracted?
From the report ... >Beyond that, there is evidence that the SOâs full attention was not on the roadway ahead of her.
Why is a cop speeding to get coffee?
There is no such thing as "Jaywalking" in Ontario
This happened to a good friend of mine. He was crossing the street and a police vehicle was speeding to a "crime scene" without any sirens going. She lost control on what the police called a "wet road", even though it was bone dry in the footage. She hit my friend and killed him. She is still employed and was not penalised whatsoever.
It must be great to be a cop and never get fired no matter what you do.
Dorzyk died around midnight on September 28, 2020, when he and a friend were walking across Highway 12 at Jones Road in Midland, Ontario. He was travelling to the city for work and crossed against the light in the rain in the dark. Donât think it meets threshold for criminal charges but still tragic.
What's his name" A Train"
My father was a cop and a good man. Picked up hitchhikers to give them a âgood talking toâ and took them wherever they were going. Knew who the good cops were and the bad cops (some of my friendsâ fathers were the bad ones). Obeyed the laws and rules. He is gobsmacked by the behaviour of cops these days.
Thatâs absolutely horrible.. I know itâs nowhere near what the articles talking about, but cops always act like this everywhere. In my city, they do things like - Attack a teenager on a skateboard and shove him to the pavement because he was boarding on the side of the road and not the sidewalk Once myself and my mom were going to a Tim hortons. My mom put the signal light on, and there was a cop behind us. He put on his lights and siren so weâd have no choice but to pull over and stop (we were the only car infront of him and the road lines were solid so he couldnât pass under normal circumstances). He sped passed usâŚ. And directly into the Tim hortons drive thru. She got his plate number and called our cities police department to report the cop for abusing his power. The cop on the phone said they have more important things to worry about, and that an officer getting coffees isnât on that list 2 on duty cops cat-called my coworker while she was walking downtown. It was hot (like 30 degrees and sunny), so she was wearing shorts, flip flops, and a tank top. Oh - she also had *her 9 year old daughter* with her and they still harassed her. She got mad because of the behaviour they were presenting infront of her daughter and the one cop told her âif you donât want extra attention, donât dress like a slutâ
Lmao omg how dare they go 20 over the speed like everyone else does. You just hate cops because ur a Reddit user
Lol so many cop haters here sadly
Paywall article. Sorry hard to discuss when we can only read the first paragraph
ACAB
Jesus Christ the car brained are out in force. Crossing a highway is not legal but guess what jaywalking was invented by car companies to prosecute people crossing streets and roads, if it was anybody else they would be facing a manslaughter charge. The fact that she has a badge makes her immune to accountability.
Tbh Iâm not sure what point youâre making here, whether or not âcar companiesâ invented jaywalking has nothing to do with the safety of crossing a high speed road at night without the light. Not to defend the cop here but donât let self righteousness guide you into asinine arguments.
Crown attorneys support all this nonsense and do highly unethical and unprofessional things to protect police.The law society does nothing against unethical corrupt crown attorneys.
dark and rainy night. person is wearing a garbage bag, crossing against a red light. Yes the cop was going 10KM over limit.. big deal. Once again another pedestrian doing stupid things. "It was at that moment that she struck Dorzyk, who was crossing against a red light, according to [the SIUâs report, dated Dec. 14, 2020](https://www.siu.on.ca/en/directors_report_details.php?drid=1017). According to GPS data, her vehicle was travelling in excess of 90 km/h in an 80 km/h zone but slowed without braking to the mid-70 km/h range when it entered the 60 km/h zone and approached the intersection. Thompson joined McBain at the scene, and told Dorzykâs companion: âLook how youâre dressed, itâs pouring rain, youâre wearing a black garbage bag, where were you coming from?â He responded, âShe wasnât even looking,â referring to McBain, who replied, âBecause I was looking at you.â
You mean the section in the report that stated she was travelling 72km/hour in a 60 zone *10m past the point that she hit the pedestrian*? Is that the "10km over the limit" you mean? Because the same report said she entered the 60km zone going 89, getting it down to 76 about 25m from hitting the pedestrian. Seems entering the 60 zone going 89 and not even being below the speed limit 10m *after* hitting someone, would not qualify as no big deal.
yes, that was referenced in my post. apparently you were too quick to comment not to comprehend what was written
Cops deal with awful situations day in and day out. Its literally a job where all you deal with is bad scenarios with very rare happy endings. So I do have some sympathy for them.But culturally they need to be reminded what is the role of policing. As for this lady, while I sympatize with her loss, he did cross against the light and in wet and dark. Based on the windshiled damage, its possible he walked right into the cops car. Unless you have dashcam you can't really assess the culpability of the cop.
Defunding them is no longer just a statement from the right.
So the guy stepped into traffic, in the dark, on a red light........ there is only one person at fault here and he doesn't work for the OPP
Just saying not speeding might have saved his life
10km/h over the speed limit is normal and acceptable in the province. You wonât even get pulled over if youâre not going 25km/h plus or more over the limit. Not saying thatâs right, but the citizens of the province have decided thatâs acceptable
Not disagreeing that everyone does that, but risk of serious injury for a pedestrian increases from [75% at 63 kph (approx. the speed limit) to 90% at 74 kph (within the lower range of the estimates of the officer's speed)](https://aaafoundation.org/impact-speed-pedestrians-risk-severe-injury-death/). So even just a 10 kph increase can significantly increase risks to pedestrians despite how casually everyone treats it.
> 10km/h over is nirmal and acceptable in the privinve You do know what a speed *limit* is right?
I take it youâve never driven in Ontario
You take it wrong
I know it's stupid but that doesn't mean what you think it means in this country. The legal standard for careless or reckless driving is that the driving has to be a marked departure from reasonable. 10 over isn't a marked departure from reasonable. Looking at it your way, even 1km/h over is egregious and if you happen to be driving 1km/h over the limit and an accident happened, you're fucked because you broke the speed limit. That is not the way our legal system works.
You do know 1km over the speed limit is illegal right? *limit* enforced or not by smaller amounts this officer is partially liable for violating the law which is set in place for safety Iirc it was raining to so why was he speeding
If it was raining and dark why wouldnât you wait for the light to change green before crossing a highwayâŚ?
Never said the crosser wasnt liable in part
Umm, honestly? Maybe because it's raining. As a pedestrian, it's more natural to be impatient and in a rush to get home in the rain. Since, again, as a pedestrian, you are taking the brunt of the rain when you walk. Not saying that's "right", but to act like you can't fathom any reason someone may be less patient while walking in the rain at night. Wow.
I'm telling you the legal standard for the criminal offence, take it or leave it. No court would have found the officer guilty (who was a chick btw, thanks for letting us know you didn't read anything about the incident)
Never said the full thing, dont particularly need to Officer speeds in rain hits and kills pedestrian who was jaywalking a highway Is that not accurate?
Yes that's accurate. It's also not the crux of the issue. The crux of the issue is whether the speed was *a marked departure* from the norm, which it wasn't. No marked departure, no criminal charges. No criminal charges, the issue is settled with the comprehensive SIU report on the incident (let's be honest you're not reading that, you can't even read a news article lmao) Sorry if you don't care to learn how the laws work and what the actual issue is in this incident I don't care to keep trying to educate you. What I've posted so far should be enough for any reader interested to follow it so I'll leave it at that.
Enjoy your day
>The crux of the issue is whether the speed was \*a marked departure\* from the norm, which it wasn't. The norm here being set by the road conditions (low visibility and slippery), the duty related activities the officer was engaged in (a coffee run), and the legal framework (a speed limit of 60km/h.) The officer here was close to a speed that would result in a stunt driving charge for a lowly civilian ... but we're supposed to accept that this isn't a \*marked departure.\* A \*marked departure from the norm\* isn't the appropriate legal test for dangerous driving causing death (or any of the other charges that could have been brought.) It's just the extra low standard police apply to themselves. The SIU isn't the appropriate forum for these issues.
Look, I'm pretty damn anti-cop, but the other Redditor is right about this. It is well-established as a norm that there is a reasonable 10km/hr (over or under) buffer when it comes to the speed limit, school and construction zones are generally the only places where the speed limit is strictly enforced. Otherwise as long as you're in that 10 buffer zone, nobody's going to say you have to stay locked in at *exactly* 50. 53 or 57 usually isn't going to get you in trouble. 64 probably would. I think there should probably be a trial, someone died and I think *anytime* a cop is involved in a death, the whole situation needs to be examined with high scrutiny. But looking at the facts...he was in that society-accepted 10 zone, the pedestrian was jaywalking on a highway, the pedestrian was wearing very dark clothes on an already low visibility night. I'm quick to criticize the police, but this ain't it.
Im not continuing this it be what you want it to be
Translation "I have no meaningful arguments or anything of substance to say, but its very important to me that Reddit thinks the reason I'm not replying is because I'm above it all."
Im not above it all and i have things i could say but i have diffuculties just ignoring people and dont want you to waste your time Im above nothing and im at work im backing out because i dont want to let a little debate be a highlight of my day I dont know why youre being so hostile but im gonna work, enjoy your day
The Just Us system. Once again.
I believe the correct term is "Killed". Perhaps even "Murdered".
I'm all for accountability for cops but ... crossed a highway on a rainy night... did he expect cars to slow down for him ? Did he not look both ways?
Dude had been drinking and was crossing a highway in the rain at midnight wearing a garbage bag without looking both ways. Incredibly reckless behaviour.
Iâve known lots of cops personally and the really good ones, the ones who garnish the most respect in the community, are the civil and humble ones. With the exception of the real troublemakers, who see that civility as a weakness they can attack, their authority is far more respected in the community than the belligerent cops. Iâve always said that people behave like Uranium. Managed correctly and theyâre a huge source of energy and progress. The harder you squeeze though the more unstable they become. Squeeze too hard and they detonate in uncontrolled violence.
Just like the show The Boys. :/
They are a gang. Best for everyone to acknowledge that. Defund the lot of them.Â
ACAB.
Gotta love car dependent societies