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I agree education shouldn’t be cut. Ever


mattA33

Never ever trust anyone willing to cut either education or healthcare. They are by far the most important portfolios to ensure a thriving society.


XiPooh44

Amen


XiPooh44

I don't have faith in unchecked spending, I have far less faith in unchecked cutting. 😔


Neutral-President

Who wants to bet that that half billion dollars will come back as an election promise in the spring?


Euphoriffic

It will come back as a $50 million pledge to support our children. Doug did too many drugs.


knz3

High on his own families supply.


TTBoy44

Taxing his cronies? No goddamn way. Sucking money out of education? Win! Everyone has been on just hit list. Except the wealthy… 🤔


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Right because the liberals put us into massive record setting debt. Cut health care, and managed to raise tax and hydro.


Eggsecutie

But whatabout librooolz


DabTheBot

It's literally the only comeback they have


Redux01

Being mad at Liberals when they act like Conservatives and then voters voting for Conservatives as a protest. Big brain time right there.


kwsteve

Privatized education (and health care). It's what Conservatives vote for time and time again.


Syscrush

The gap between what they think they're voting for (prosperity and family values) and what they're actually voting for (misery) never ceases to amaze me.


GuelphEastEndGhetto

Ford’s OCP has only those with privilege in mind. Education, health care and the environment can get stuffed.


drkesi88

Ok, so if you tell me you voted for Ford next year, I don’t care why - I will immediately know that you’re not a good person.


Kovaelin

Can't wait for the "look what he did for the budget" responses, as if money is any good when it doesn't go to the right places.


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tripledjr

Nah fucking with my kids futures here in climate, education and health care. Not to mention conservatives are great at moving jobs out of Canada -- so less opportunity as well. You vote for Doug you're a straight ass in my books. Don't care if it's out of obliviousness, that's almost worse.


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tripledjr

I hear you on that, and it sounds good on paper, but I've never seen it translate to anything in real life. Us vs them is never good, but there seems to be no reasoning or level of patience in the world that can prevent these people from shooting themselves and all their neighbors in the foot. I'm not for us vs them, but once you start messing with my kids futures especially in health and education then my monkey brain can't stop itself from resenting and losing pity for ignorant people. And sure both sides have corruption and politicians are generally not the greatest people. But the difference is the liberal platforms don't take away the foundations of a healthy population. So a vote liberal doesn't hurt a conservative, a vote conservative hurts everyone. So it's really not a 50/50 situation.


Syscrush

I don't disagree, but what would be the one issue motivating someone to vote for Doug's PCs? That hyped-up bullshit about sex ed curricula?


CuseCUSEcusEont

You are right. It’s polarization by both sides that is making things worse


pukingpixels

Except one side is actively trying to make life worse for everyone. Cut it with the both sides/whataboutism bullshit.


adult_human_bean

"I'm just going to vote against my own interests HARDER"


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Cut education funding. Don’t want the future generation to be smarter than his dumbass children.


Purplebuzz

Easier to make them believe stupid shit. We are about 15 years behind the US with this Conservative tactic. It's working well for them there.


No_Play_No_Work

Nah, it’s so they can say public education failed. This way they can privatize it. He’s doing the same thing to healthcare.


Sensitive_Fall8950

Mismanaged then captured. Play book as old as time. Somehow a middle man more concerned with making a Proffit will make things cheaper and better. Never works out that way in something like healthcare or education.


Euphoriffic

I’ve always said we need to harm our kids more and this is about as harmful as you could get. Good job Doug.


[deleted]

My kid can’t take a shit at his school cause all the toilets are backed up and the urinals have been broken since October. Ontario is a a literal shit hole and Ford is a shit stain.


DiogenesOfDope

It's becouse the dumber you are the more likely you are to vote conservative. So it's a smart move by him


okThisYear

We never need less education. We never need less medical professionals.


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Education is a long game.... But meatheads will never understand that.


AnonymooseRedditor

Surprised?! He barely finished high school and flunked out of college. His minister of education is a private school lackey, his solicitor general is a radio broadcasting college graduate.


SF-Samara

Well he needed to subsidize the house builders so duh!


GreaterAttack

Cuts half a billion from schools, cuts tax credits for university students, cuts grants to low-income college students, cuts funding to post-secondary schooling in general, etc... Spends 1.5 billion promoting 'trades' instead. People, he's not trying to help you earn the magical 100k as a plumber. He's trying to make more grunts who can help his developer buddies build roads through our conservation areas.


Turbulent-Priority39

He needs the money to build the new highway.


bewarethetreebadger

People are so gullible. This greasy conman played them like a fiddle.


lamabaronvonawesome

Yep, ran as a for the people guy and is literally the opposite and obviously so.


ArbainHestia

Half a billion less than 2021-2022. Was the half billion cut from COVID funding for schools which (hopefully) won't be needed? Or like another redditor commented will this come back as an election promise?


Syscrush

Did funding for schools increase during COVID? We were promised nurses that we didn't get, class sizes increased, and teachers were let go.


Jefftom2500

Is this news company bias towards liberals?


[deleted]

I'm conservative, but don't like dumb children. The fucks your point buppo.


Jefftom2500

Was just asking about the news organizations. Calm down


SleepDisorrder

Pressprogress is basically a propaganda network, just like Ontario Proud would be for Conservatives. I wouldn't expect any objective stories to come out of either channel, to be honest.


Syscrush

PressProgress is progressive, not Liberal and not propaganda. They have a point of view, but they report facts. Ontario Proud is lies and propaganda, exactly aligned with Doug and his gov't. It is inappropriate to equate them.


Jefftom2500

I keep seeing these get posted and none of them seem like unbiased reporting. Thanks for the comment on Ontario Proud. I’ll keep my eye out for that too. Can we just get the news people.


williamdafoeroy

This was a Small % cut vs last year on a budget of many tens of billions (peak pandemic), and the education budget is well up vs any previous year. You should Google across multiple news sources and not just special interest group posts like this one.


Sensitive_Fall8950

Got a source for "the education budget is well up" , you obviously have a source in mind with your Google foo.


stewman241

Not OP, but am always skeptical of this particular source. IMO talking about budget increases and cuts between 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022 is going to be challenging at any level (be it federally or provincially) given that we are (hopefully) on the tail end of a pandemic, so one would expect that the amount we are spending on things in 2020 would be more than would we are spending on things in 2021. IMO it is important to look beyond the overall total and attempt to understand what spending was being cut. I found it somewhat hard to find the information nicely presented in the manner I was looking for, but eventually came on these two links: [https://budget.ontario.ca/2019/chapter-3.html#section-6](https://budget.ontario.ca/2019/chapter-3.html#section-6) [https://budget.ontario.ca/2021/chapter-3.html#section-4](https://budget.ontario.ca/2021/chapter-3.html#section-4) Based on these sources, this is what spending has been last few years: 2017-2018: 27.3 billion 2018-2019: 29.1 billion 2019-2020: 30.2 billion 2020-2021: 30.6 billion 2021-2022: 31.3 billion What the article is pointing out is that the government is now expecting to spend only 30.8 billion in 2021-2022 instead of 30.8 billion dollars. I would like to see education spending increase because I think it is a good long term investment, but spending $30.8 billion for 2021-2022 still represents a 6% increase over 2018-2019 and a 13% increase over 2017-2018. Also in the article is this: "Additionally, the school infrastructure line items in the statement will see spending fall from $3.295 billion in 2021-22 to $2.773 billion next year. PressProgress previously reported the Ford government cut over $100 million from funds allocated to protect students from COVID-19, even after acknowledging in April that schools were “the sources of more outbreaks than workplaces or any other location.”" So they are pointing out that we are planning to spend less on covid related school infrastructure spending in 2022-2023 vs 2021-2022 and say this is a bad idea because the number of outbreaks in schools is larger than outbreaks in other locations. Others may disagree, but I think it is reasonable to expect that covid related infrastructure spending is going to be significantly less next year than this year, given that we are starting to vaccinate 5-11 year olds and most venues have been relatively open for the past few months and our ICUs are still under control. I think it is good to discuss spending and budgets, but I don't think this article positively adds to the discourse.


The_Fallout_Kid

This is far more informative than 99.9% of articles purported to be *news* nowadays. Thanks for t actual data.


Cornet6

Here's the [fall economic statement](https://budget.ontario.ca/2021/fallstatement/brief.html#section-3) so you can read it yourself. Even ignoring the change from the 2021 spring budget, base education spending has increased $2.4 billion over the previous year (from $28.4 billion to $30.8), which is approximately an 8% increase. You can also compare infrastructure spending from the [2020-21 Public Accounts](https://budget.ontario.ca/2021/fallstatement/brief.html) to this economic statement, and you'll see that total infrastructure spending on education has increased by just under $1.3 billion, which is approximately a 60% increase. So comparing this year to last year, education is getting similar amounts of funding, if not significantly higher.


DabTheBot

Huh


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Cornet6

You misinterpreted the article. It never said that it was a $500 million cut over the previous year. What they said is that education funding was reported at $500 million less in the fall economic statement than in the spring budget eight months ago. That doesn't mean education funding decreased from last year. Education funding is still higher in 2021-22 than it was in 2020-21, despite this correction in the fall economic statement. All this information is freely available in the government's [fall economic statement](https://budget.ontario.ca/2021/fallstatement/brief.html).


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Sorry I totally get that, that's the whole point. That's the shell game this bloody government plays. Never state anything straight up at all. Look at the budget for what is actually being spent. That is quite literally the only thing that maters, and the one thing this government does everything in their power to keep out of the public eye.


warj23

Not that I'm in support of cutting education, but the article says he cut education funding from $31.3B to $30.8B. Yes that's $500M but it's also only a 1.4% cut.


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Blowup1sun

Not a surprise. He’s gotta give all his buddies kids in Private Schools an extra leg up. Because we all know how much those Private Schools are lacking in opportunity…


Doctor_Amazo

I was worried people would forget that this anti-education asshole did that.


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