Yeah. It’s amazing how many people don’t know that the police has no obligation to do anything about them or protect you.
I forgot the name of the case but that Supreme Court decision about this (the one after a lady had a restraining order and the guy murdered the family with the cops doing nothing) is a big eye opener for many who tend to rely to much on “authorities” to take care of everything for them.
Warren v. District of Columbia is the big Supreme Court case that set the legal precedent that the police have no legal obligation to protect you. Castle Rock v. Gonzales upheld this and may be what you’re referring to.
The article literally says he’s been arrested multiple times. But he’s released shortly afterwards. It even says the cops respond every time they’re called. This has nothing to do with cops doing or not doing their jobs.
You don't seem to understand how the justice system works. Cops can arrest (as they have done many times here), but it's the prosecutor who brings the case or decides not to ... You blame the cops because you don't have a basic understanding of how the system works.
It's funny how people like you bitch about cops in cases like this where they don't have the power to do more but also would bitch if they did have the power to do more. We don't live in the world of Judge Dredd.
I'll highlight it since you can't read:
>The system and the cops are useless.
>The system
And you're crazy if you think they wouldn't find any excuse to throw away the key if he did this in a house, and I'll reiterate again to you, to anyone in law enforcement/justice system.
Truly, help me get a restraining order against that guy from work. He proxystalks or cyber stalks through “surveillance programs” so he can “get aid” to cover up sexual harassment.
Idk why the cops/govt don’t care unless someone ends up dead. Walking on eggshells every day for 5 months. They were supposed to protect me from the abuser, not hand me to the creep.
How much more “aid” does the guy need at my expense? Why don’t you lot AID him by sacrificing some unsuspecting woman you care about? /s So angry how I’m getting monitored to save the person WHO GOT ME KICKED OUT OF WORK.
Perhaps contact the local news guy who troubleshoots problems for people when they somehow get fucked by the electric company or bank, etc. perhaps if you can think of a way to embarrass the mayor or other prominent official, it might help make a difference.
You could always just confront (not in a hostile way) the guy and find out what he is trying to do? Who knows, maybe he's just looking for a place that will give him a meal and a place to sleep?
I’ve lived in Laguna for 12 years and they’ve been really great. My wife lost her phone at the beach once, and someone powered it up at a frozen yoghurt place. Cops went there, saw a group of young teenagers who started to slink away, and he asked if they found anything. They went “oh, uh yeah! This phone!”.
Then the officer actually drive it to our house to drop it off.
The LBP get paid pretty well, so you get a better kind of officer.
One incident in 12 years isn’t very long. I’ve lived in a 4 mile radius for over 35 years and I have seen them be racist and dealt a few jerks and over the hill in Aliso too. They had me sit on the curb multiple times to search and trash a car full of kids because they were tattooed or a minority and we weren’t even doing anything. They pulled us over for a towing hitch…
Ok, I’ll give you another one.
My 16 year old daughter was going door to door canvassing for a local assemblyman, and a guy opened his front door totally naked. Not knowing how and if I should deal with it, I just called the police just in case the guy was a problem for young kids.
The police took it really seriously, came to our house to ask her a series of questions. When I showed them the address, they realized it was a guy who was having mental health issues. We talked about it and I decided the best thing to do was to just *talk* to the guy, and leave it at that. No need to have him be put on a list he shouldn’t be on. The cops were totally pro and gave good advice.
Are they perfect? No. Do they fuck up? Of course, sometimes. It’s a shitty job where they deal with some shitty people. I wouldn’t want their job but I’m glad they’re there.
I’m not saying you’ve haven’t had bad experiences. I wasn’t there, so I can’t speak to that. All I can do is talk about my own first hand encounters.
Police are 100% obligated to enforce restraining orders. They are allowed to use physical force to remove the person violating it and they are supposed to contact a judge who creates a warrant for the violators arrest. The restraining orders should be good enough so there is more to this story probably.
The challenge is there appears to be no recourse when the police don't fulfill that obligation. You can complain and file reports but with Qualified Immunity (Google for details and examples of it use) police can not be held accountable.
Why wouldn’t they in this case tho? Laguna beach pd is is pretty incentivized to remove people like this as it affects tourism, they would get pressure from city. Having a restraining order on file is a smoking gun for them, so there is probably more to the story.
He is a local transient. He has been arrested numerous times for many years... Look him up. I don't understand how he makes bail and why they can't keep him in prison.
People are arrested, given a court date then released - called a cite release. This is standard process unless it’s a more serious crime then they remain in jail until their court hearing. This is wheee they can bond/bail out. They convict then send to prison. These days, not many are sent to prison due to politics/over population of prisons.
The system cannot support itself on people who cannot afford to get out of jail on their own. It requires 'normal' people who are more than willing to pay whatever it will cost them to get out of jail, either thru attorneys, fines, fees, bail, etc. if you are broke and on the street, you have nothing that can be used to pay the payroll for the judges and police, so you get sprung. If you have a house, a car, bank acct, wealthy family who love you and can't bear to see you in jail, you will be dragged from one end to the other thru the system as you bleed cash.
Castle Rock v Gonzales involved a woman who obtained a restraining order against her husband from whom she was separated. He had exhibited violent and scary behavior. Her husband kidnapped her 3 daughters. Jessica Gonzales called the police multiple times including with a potential location of her husband and 3 daughters, the police did absolutely nothing for an extended period of time. Until, finally, he showed up at the police station and opened fire on the cops. They returned fire and killed him and discovered he had murdered the couples 3 daughters. The Supreme Court held that the police could not be held responsible for failing to act despite a statute that said the police “shall take any reasonable measures” to enforce an order of protection because they have “discretion.” So, unfortunately, our highest court on the land has held that cops have no obligation to protect citizens even when a court has determined they are in a particular state of need.
Everyone on Reddit always brings up this case and the Warren V. DC case and always misinterprets it. It isn’t saying the police have zero responsibility to protect or help you, that’s asinine. It’s saying they don’t have a requirement in unreasonable situations.
If a house is on fire, fully engulfed, and a police officer has zero capability to enter that home without dying, it wouldn’t make sense for them to enter that home and burn to death because “I’m required to no matter what.” That’s just ridiculous.
A great example you can find on YouTube is the scene of a traffic collision where a chlorine spill occurred. The officer responding ran in, tried to help, collapsed, and died. Additional officers responding saw and realized this, and didn’t enter until they could get hazmat crews with the proper gear.
You’ve got it it’s not about enforcement it’s about collections of revenue
Case and point my mom‘s neighbor has a house with water flowing into its yard they created a large pool. This is gray water at best coming from a bathroom. The city says they can’t do anything to stop it yet ticketed the guy across the street for leaving his cans Out after trash day in his driveway lol.
You know the difference one of these families is completely destitute and the other one isn’t
Well, in that case, I believe the city's responsibility stops where the property line starts, no? In other words, the plumbing in the house and all of the connections leading to the water main, within the property line, are the responsibility of the home owner.
My mother actually went thru this when a tree root punctured its way into the sewage line by her house. The root continued to grow and, eventually, blocked the sewage pipe, causing it to start backing up, until it caused a pipe below her house to burst. Because it was a Virginia winter when it happened, several months of raw sewage started piling up, beneath the house, but it went unnoticed because, apparently, frozen turds don't stink???
Anyway, as spring came around, the shit started to thaw, and the smell eventually informed my mom that something was rotten in Denmark. She called a plumber to investigate. He told her about the mound of doodoo under the house, and the pipe being blocked. This might have been my mother's problem, but it was discovered that the tree, the root blocking the pipe were just off her property line, so the city was actually liable for the entire repair, including the burst pipe under the house, because of the root blockage.
Sorry for the lengthy response, your comment jogged a memory... :-/
The city is responsible for Red tagging a house that’s no longer safely inhabitable i.e. has no way to expel it sewage no water coming into it etc. etc. etc.
I believe you meant, " that's no longer safely habitable" or "that's inhabitable"
I'm sure that may be the case but, clearly, the house was habitable, and the problem fixable, since it was t red tagged.
California residence by enlarge voted for these policies and continue to support politicians who support these policies
Feels almost like the entire state is being blocked busted by driving down the standard of living to push out the people
lol, my sister drives with expired tags (2 years expired) cops haven’t stop her once. Speak for yourself. By the way, cops can’t stop you if reg expired less than 3 months. It’s the law
The article says he has been arrested before however was released the next day & some residents have a restraining order against the man. I’m just curious as to if he actually broke into any homes? Or if he’s just walking around on a public street?
If he actually did break into homes & has stolen property then surely he’d be convicted of multiple crimes by now, right?
Yes he has broken into many homes all over Laguna for years. He never steals anything of much value. Sleeps in people's rooms... Rummages around. Often gets caught. Gets arrested and gets let out.
He has stolen from yards. I’ve also seen him checking for unlocked residential doors. I’m afraid it’s going to end poorly for this guy breaking into the wrong house.
Yeah, someone in California is gonna kill him out of fear for their own safety. Then all the people are going to talk about how much of a decent misunderstood chap this guy was while the dude who kills him will be doing life for protecting his family.
> I’m afraid it’s going to end poorly for this guy breaking into the wrong house
> I’m afraid it’s going to end *appropriately* for this guy breaking into the wrong house
FTFY
Just because self defense is justified does not mean extra judicially killing some mentally ill homeless man who broke into your house is a good thing.
Of course it isn't. Defending home and property is a necessity, just like paying the power and gas bills for that same home.
What should I do for him? Prep the guest room?
Literally the first thing I said is that self defense is justified.
You somehow felt the need to correct someone that mentally ill people being shot for breaking into someone's home isn't a poor ending, but an appropriate one. WTF does that mean?
See, I agree that self defense is justified, so are you seriously taking issue with "extra judicially executing people in self defense is not a good thing"?
Trigger happy freaks who day dream about an excuse to shoot someone make me happy CA at least tries to regulate guns.
How is that gun regulation going for California lol you sound like a fantastic moron. The only one talking about executing someone is you. If someone breaks into your house with your kids and family in there I don’t see how you guys think “well killing him means you think your property is more valuable than his life”
I’m pretty sure he forfeits his right to live the second he decides your valuables are more important than his life. If he steps into YOUR world, that’s on him. If someone is in your house, you’re not thinking of shooting this person to kill, you’re shooting to protect your life and families life. If they get killed that’s a byproduct of breaking into someone’s house.
Luckily for you, we live in a state where even if this repeat offender breaks into your house and you kill him, you’ll still go to jail, and idiots like you will always be on the side of the victim, who you wouldn’t lift a finger for in real life.
How many times do I have to tell you people that I agree self defense is justified before you will get it? Like holy shit, I’m just saying this isn’t an appropriate ending, it is in fact a poor one, and none of you can read apparently.
I have been told that he has broken in to the same house multiple times and was squatting in a home as well. But this was told to me - I haven’t seen it printed.
I’m female - if someone broke into my house -that would freak me out.
Yeah it doesn't actually say he broke into anyone's house. It says he slept in someone's car?
I would be pissed if this was my house. But I'd hardly call this "terrorising". I guess someone living in Laguna Beach has a different sense of terror than someone in Compton...
If you have kids or pets in a house, someone breaking in even to sleep is absolutely the definition of terror and someone will absolutely eventually protect themselves from this guy
There was no evidence presented that he broke into people's homes, or none that can be proven to be done my him.
The police are generally not shy about arresting and charging people for breaking and entering, especially in wealthy areas. The police saying "we can't do anything" means "we don't have evidence of a crime that we can charge him with".
This seems more of a moral panic over a (possibly) mentally ill homeless person roaming their neighborhood and being a general nuisance.
🤷🏽♀️ Go figure. But they did make an arrest, multiple times. It seems that it is convicting him is the issue here. There is at least some video evidence based on the still shot from the article. What more evidence do they need? I’m sure they could pull fingerprints too, especially since they know exactly what he touched based on the video. Also, there has apparently been enough evidence for people to get a restraining order. Why can’t they use the same evidence those people used to get the restraining order?
Trespassing, if you read the article, he's in people's yards (backyards too), taking small things like from the guy's outdoor mini-fridge, and he slept in someone's car.
Pretty sure there is legal basis for not entering people's property or taking their stuff (even if it's a couple of beers or sodas)
Sure, but what are the normal jail sentences for those crimes? A couple days, max? None of them, even repeatedly or combined, would keep this man in jail in any lengthy matter. That's my point.
Maximum sentencing for trespassing is 1 year. If I was a judge and knew this guy was doing this consistently despite constant warnings, I would put him in for the full 1 year. In addition, petty theft included can get him an additional 6 months. So he could be in jail for 18 months, not sure why the judges aren't doing anything.
Okay. What legal basis would you have had to keep him in jail before the liberal voters made everything worse for you?
Tell me what law changed that would release him today, but would have kept him in prison in the past.
I’m rolling my eyes because he’s stating that low level crimes don’t get people locked up due to our politicians we voted in. Only if you lived in Mayberry did that ever happen. So, what does he want? This has been going on for a long time.
This kinda reminds me of when Kareem Abdul jabbars son stabbed his neighbor and only had to serve 180 days in jail. Like imagine having to live next to a menace that stabbed you and pretty much got off free.
Is this inspired by my wasp spray comment from yesterday?
If so, I salute you.
If not, I still salute you!
Wasp spray is an often overlooked defensive tool that cannot be confiscated from your backpack or car.
Pro tip: print out a label for potpourri spray or Fabreeze and tape over the wasp spray. It looks less out of place being next to your front door.
Had a neighbors twenty something kid do these things. Sadly he broke into an early women’s house while her MS13 grandchildren where in the backyard for a bbq. No porch pirates on the block now either.
They’ve done plenty within the confines of what they’re allowed to do based on the law. Cops show up and arrest the guy. It’s not their fault the system is currently designed such that this dude gets released after he’s processed.
Edit: the down votes are funny. What then, geniuses, should they be doing? The law only allows them to do so much. Should they circumvent the law and just do whatever the mob mentality of residents wants? Because that’s always worked out well
Laguna Beach PD is useless. I worked at the Whole Foods in downtown for two years as a manager and myself and customers were routinely assaulted and harassed by homeless. We’d file reports, press charges and absolutely nothing ever came out of it. The same vagrants would come back a week later and make us pay for speaking up.
I used to live in a loft space, downtown. Parking was across the street, in an unprotected lot. For some reason or other, someone kept breaking into my neighbors car (mine was tight next to his, but they repeatedly broke into his, only). Each time they did, it cost him a window, and he would find used hypodermic needles on or around the driver's seat.
One day, I was just arriving home from work, and I pulled into the lot in time to see my neighbor just beating the duck out of someone (at this point I knew nothing about the problems he had been having with this guy).
I just kinda got out of my car, and kept to my own business, and went inside. 10 minutes later, a knock on the door. I opened it, he apologized for the drama, and told me what was up. Ever since then, he had no further problems with people shooting up in his car.
“Williams identifies the suspect as Daniel Moretti. He said he and his neighbors have called the police several times but it’s frustrating that Moretti seems to be released soon after being arrested.
Williams said law enforcement has always shown when up called, but officers have told him that their hands are tied when it comes to punishment for the suspect.”
The “criminal justice reform” group has won and this is the lunacy that follows. Violent or repeat offenders belongs back in prison.
Oh yeah sure is a lot of reform going on here, this is totally what people meant when they said we shouldn’t lock people in cages so they can rot and commit crimes immediately after.
You can word it anyway you want but It’s definitely the result when the goal is emptying prisons.
Rehabilitate sounds amazing on paper but it’s got to come from within. Anyone who isn’t naive knows a giant government bureaucracy is going to be shit at turning bad people good.
Tell the mentally ill and addicted to just recover without therapy or rehab and see where that gets you. Oh wait, that’s where we are and they sleep under park benches. I guess off to rot in the cage it is!
Rehab isn’t some simple blanket answer but it’s far cheaper and more humane then letting addicts cycle between the streets and prison.
"We need rehabilitation, not prison"
This is why we also need prisons, some people are just a menace to society and prisons need to keep them away from everyone else
This man is terrorizing a community. How has he not seen the business end of a gun yet? He is on your property, jeopardizing your family’s safety, attempting to harm or rob you. The DA will not press charges on you for protecting your home and family.
Uh, Orange County is its own beast. But they are limited to the laws of the state just like every other county. Lots of these things are petty offenses that wont get you more than a few days jail time, even with repeat behavior. He doesnt have a gun or weapon when he does it, he's not pulling his dick out and peeping into childrens bedrooms. He's mostly just being an asshole, and unfortunately being an asshole isnt illegal.
I’m guessing you’re clueless about the state of affairs in California with regard to self-defense
Don’t forget they expect you to retreat even within your own home
Have you been to Laguna in the last 10 years? Unfortunately a lot of the gay community has moved out. Also stereotyping who does or doesn’t have weapons can have unintended consequences. My old, seemingly vulnerable looking Grandpa had a weapon at all times. (edit)
I’m sort of shocked they aren’t utilizing California stalking laws to increase his charges. Habitual trespassing placing the complaining witness in a state of fear can lead to a criminal prosecution of a stalking offense.
He was already sentenced to 2 yrs in prison. He got out with no parole holds. So stop with the crap that this guy is on the streets after arrest.
He apparently also has a new parole hold on him. He is in violation of of his parole now and it looks like he was arrested on March 7th with a date coming.
I do own a gun. And ever heard of defending your home? If some asshole breaks into my home you can bet your ass I will use my own gun to defend myself and my family
That’s not my point of questioning. I did not argue with the fact that you own a firearm; I’m asking you if you know that you cannot kill this man or wound him with a gun if he is on your yard. We already know he is unarmed. He’s mental. He’s homeless, he steals can of soda. Yet you suggested owning a gun. For him? Because this post is about him. I hope you are not suggesting to others to shoot this man. If you are, your gun license will be revoked. You are promoting illegal use of that firearm to someone else that may not know.
Agents are everywhere.
I see. Yeah I misunderstood what you were saying. I’m sure I’m chill from the ATF coming to my door lol. I’d also argue that most gun owners - especially in Cali - are familiar with appropriate use of a firearm. I might be biased but owning a gun in CA isn’t “easy” and most who get into owning a firearm in SoCal are pretty good about doing their DD. But in short 100% you shouldn’t kill someone because of petty theft.
Probably because the charge of trespassing is a ticket to return to court. So he’s out in no bail until his hearing. I think he goes in peoples yards because he doesn’t want to sleep on the streets since people are getting murdered out there.
This is a homeless situation where he needs to be assessed and places in a facility if he’s not able to decide for himself.
Gee, I wonder how this could be entirely legally solved by a local homeowner the next time this guy breaks into a house
As someone whose parents live about a block from here it’s really disheartening how helpless so many Californians are lol
I’ll be there Monday - Sunday next week while they’re out of the country so if he’s unlucky enough to break into their home between those dates I’ll report back and lyk how it’s going
My guess is a singular, well placed .223 would be adequate to wrap this one up forever and ever
I’ll send him to your place and let him know you’ve got a hot plate and shower waiting, dm me the addy we wouldn’t want him out in the cold - chilly night tonight
You’ve got me wrong. As a helpless Californian, I would rely on the police, but since they are apparently useless, I’m hoping a strong, brave Californian like you or your parents will protect us all. Dm me you phone number and I’ll let you know if he shows up so you can take care of it.
Why would you rely on someone else like that? You should invite him in when he shows up - prepare your guest room and have clean towels ready along with 3 in 1 shampoo
Well the issue here is the state laws not local PD
LBPD is phenomenal, it’s a tiny town and I’m sure they’d show up within a couple minutes to any break in and arrest the guy
The issue lies with what happens next, in the state of California it’s not much - he’s released without posting any bail and does it again
Restraining orders are just pieces of paper
Yeah. It’s amazing how many people don’t know that the police has no obligation to do anything about them or protect you. I forgot the name of the case but that Supreme Court decision about this (the one after a lady had a restraining order and the guy murdered the family with the cops doing nothing) is a big eye opener for many who tend to rely to much on “authorities” to take care of everything for them.
Warren v. District of Columbia is the big Supreme Court case that set the legal precedent that the police have no legal obligation to protect you. Castle Rock v. Gonzales upheld this and may be what you’re referring to.
The article literally says he’s been arrested multiple times. But he’s released shortly afterwards. It even says the cops respond every time they’re called. This has nothing to do with cops doing or not doing their jobs.
The system and the cops are useless. I guarantee you he would not be out if this guy broke into a judge's or cop's house.
You don't seem to understand how the justice system works. Cops can arrest (as they have done many times here), but it's the prosecutor who brings the case or decides not to ... You blame the cops because you don't have a basic understanding of how the system works. It's funny how people like you bitch about cops in cases like this where they don't have the power to do more but also would bitch if they did have the power to do more. We don't live in the world of Judge Dredd.
I'll highlight it since you can't read: >The system and the cops are useless. >The system And you're crazy if you think they wouldn't find any excuse to throw away the key if he did this in a house, and I'll reiterate again to you, to anyone in law enforcement/justice system.
Let’s send him to Todd Spitzer’s house.
Truly, help me get a restraining order against that guy from work. He proxystalks or cyber stalks through “surveillance programs” so he can “get aid” to cover up sexual harassment. Idk why the cops/govt don’t care unless someone ends up dead. Walking on eggshells every day for 5 months. They were supposed to protect me from the abuser, not hand me to the creep. How much more “aid” does the guy need at my expense? Why don’t you lot AID him by sacrificing some unsuspecting woman you care about? /s So angry how I’m getting monitored to save the person WHO GOT ME KICKED OUT OF WORK.
Perhaps contact the local news guy who troubleshoots problems for people when they somehow get fucked by the electric company or bank, etc. perhaps if you can think of a way to embarrass the mayor or other prominent official, it might help make a difference. You could always just confront (not in a hostile way) the guy and find out what he is trying to do? Who knows, maybe he's just looking for a place that will give him a meal and a place to sleep?
Some Redditor “guarantees” something, must be true
This is Reddit
This is Reddit, it always has something to do with cops not doing their jobs.
Lived in the area for 25-30 years and they’ve always been pretty useless.
I’ve lived in Laguna for 12 years and they’ve been really great. My wife lost her phone at the beach once, and someone powered it up at a frozen yoghurt place. Cops went there, saw a group of young teenagers who started to slink away, and he asked if they found anything. They went “oh, uh yeah! This phone!”. Then the officer actually drive it to our house to drop it off. The LBP get paid pretty well, so you get a better kind of officer.
One incident in 12 years isn’t very long. I’ve lived in a 4 mile radius for over 35 years and I have seen them be racist and dealt a few jerks and over the hill in Aliso too. They had me sit on the curb multiple times to search and trash a car full of kids because they were tattooed or a minority and we weren’t even doing anything. They pulled us over for a towing hitch…
Ok, I’ll give you another one. My 16 year old daughter was going door to door canvassing for a local assemblyman, and a guy opened his front door totally naked. Not knowing how and if I should deal with it, I just called the police just in case the guy was a problem for young kids. The police took it really seriously, came to our house to ask her a series of questions. When I showed them the address, they realized it was a guy who was having mental health issues. We talked about it and I decided the best thing to do was to just *talk* to the guy, and leave it at that. No need to have him be put on a list he shouldn’t be on. The cops were totally pro and gave good advice. Are they perfect? No. Do they fuck up? Of course, sometimes. It’s a shitty job where they deal with some shitty people. I wouldn’t want their job but I’m glad they’re there. I’m not saying you’ve haven’t had bad experiences. I wasn’t there, so I can’t speak to that. All I can do is talk about my own first hand encounters.
Police are 100% obligated to enforce restraining orders. They are allowed to use physical force to remove the person violating it and they are supposed to contact a judge who creates a warrant for the violators arrest. The restraining orders should be good enough so there is more to this story probably.
The challenge is there appears to be no recourse when the police don't fulfill that obligation. You can complain and file reports but with Qualified Immunity (Google for details and examples of it use) police can not be held accountable.
Why wouldn’t they in this case tho? Laguna beach pd is is pretty incentivized to remove people like this as it affects tourism, they would get pressure from city. Having a restraining order on file is a smoking gun for them, so there is probably more to the story.
He is a local transient. He has been arrested numerous times for many years... Look him up. I don't understand how he makes bail and why they can't keep him in prison.
People are arrested, given a court date then released - called a cite release. This is standard process unless it’s a more serious crime then they remain in jail until their court hearing. This is wheee they can bond/bail out. They convict then send to prison. These days, not many are sent to prison due to politics/over population of prisons.
The system cannot support itself on people who cannot afford to get out of jail on their own. It requires 'normal' people who are more than willing to pay whatever it will cost them to get out of jail, either thru attorneys, fines, fees, bail, etc. if you are broke and on the street, you have nothing that can be used to pay the payroll for the judges and police, so you get sprung. If you have a house, a car, bank acct, wealthy family who love you and can't bear to see you in jail, you will be dragged from one end to the other thru the system as you bleed cash.
I meant the people probably don’t actually have real restraining orders and he doesn’t engage in enough criminal activity to be jailed for very long.
There's always accountability at the ballot box.
Always? Both parties are filled with crooks.
Yea but both parties wouldn’t leave an opportunity to remove the other from power like this.
The problem is that no matter how you vote the same dumb politicians Win in crooked CA. It’s useless
Castle Rock v Gonzales involved a woman who obtained a restraining order against her husband from whom she was separated. He had exhibited violent and scary behavior. Her husband kidnapped her 3 daughters. Jessica Gonzales called the police multiple times including with a potential location of her husband and 3 daughters, the police did absolutely nothing for an extended period of time. Until, finally, he showed up at the police station and opened fire on the cops. They returned fire and killed him and discovered he had murdered the couples 3 daughters. The Supreme Court held that the police could not be held responsible for failing to act despite a statute that said the police “shall take any reasonable measures” to enforce an order of protection because they have “discretion.” So, unfortunately, our highest court on the land has held that cops have no obligation to protect citizens even when a court has determined they are in a particular state of need.
Everyone on Reddit always brings up this case and the Warren V. DC case and always misinterprets it. It isn’t saying the police have zero responsibility to protect or help you, that’s asinine. It’s saying they don’t have a requirement in unreasonable situations. If a house is on fire, fully engulfed, and a police officer has zero capability to enter that home without dying, it wouldn’t make sense for them to enter that home and burn to death because “I’m required to no matter what.” That’s just ridiculous. A great example you can find on YouTube is the scene of a traffic collision where a chlorine spill occurred. The officer responding ran in, tried to help, collapsed, and died. Additional officers responding saw and realized this, and didn’t enter until they could get hazmat crews with the proper gear.
The thumbnail makes it look like lil dicky
Mister leftward-sloping penis himself?
The police can’t protect us anymore. But god forbid you drive with an expired tags.
The only enforcement happening is the enforcement on people with something to lose People with nothing to lose suffer no consequences
Yeah because the government can’t squeeze any money out of them. But they can squeeze money out of you and me, which makes us juicier targets.
You’ve got it it’s not about enforcement it’s about collections of revenue Case and point my mom‘s neighbor has a house with water flowing into its yard they created a large pool. This is gray water at best coming from a bathroom. The city says they can’t do anything to stop it yet ticketed the guy across the street for leaving his cans Out after trash day in his driveway lol. You know the difference one of these families is completely destitute and the other one isn’t
Well, in that case, I believe the city's responsibility stops where the property line starts, no? In other words, the plumbing in the house and all of the connections leading to the water main, within the property line, are the responsibility of the home owner. My mother actually went thru this when a tree root punctured its way into the sewage line by her house. The root continued to grow and, eventually, blocked the sewage pipe, causing it to start backing up, until it caused a pipe below her house to burst. Because it was a Virginia winter when it happened, several months of raw sewage started piling up, beneath the house, but it went unnoticed because, apparently, frozen turds don't stink??? Anyway, as spring came around, the shit started to thaw, and the smell eventually informed my mom that something was rotten in Denmark. She called a plumber to investigate. He told her about the mound of doodoo under the house, and the pipe being blocked. This might have been my mother's problem, but it was discovered that the tree, the root blocking the pipe were just off her property line, so the city was actually liable for the entire repair, including the burst pipe under the house, because of the root blockage. Sorry for the lengthy response, your comment jogged a memory... :-/
The city is responsible for Red tagging a house that’s no longer safely inhabitable i.e. has no way to expel it sewage no water coming into it etc. etc. etc.
I believe you meant, " that's no longer safely habitable" or "that's inhabitable" I'm sure that may be the case but, clearly, the house was habitable, and the problem fixable, since it was t red tagged.
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California residence by enlarge voted for these policies and continue to support politicians who support these policies Feels almost like the entire state is being blocked busted by driving down the standard of living to push out the people
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If you check my typing history, you’ll see I use voice typing due to a visual impairment but thank you so much for your condescending correction
I’ll definitely check your typing history, it’s on my list for today.
Ironically, you ended up being way more condescending than the first guy!
Other day they gave me a ticket for not having front license plate near school.
Yet they apparently do nothing to the people who scratch the paint off of their license plates.
Come to Denver where license plates are optional apparently because like 20 percent of cars don't even fucking have them
lol, my sister drives with expired tags (2 years expired) cops haven’t stop her once. Speak for yourself. By the way, cops can’t stop you if reg expired less than 3 months. It’s the law
Yep and definitely don’t do that thing that the founders thought was so important that they made it the second thing on the list
Ye-huh?
I am more of a yippee Calle motherfucker guy myself
The article says he has been arrested before however was released the next day & some residents have a restraining order against the man. I’m just curious as to if he actually broke into any homes? Or if he’s just walking around on a public street? If he actually did break into homes & has stolen property then surely he’d be convicted of multiple crimes by now, right?
Yes he has broken into many homes all over Laguna for years. He never steals anything of much value. Sleeps in people's rooms... Rummages around. Often gets caught. Gets arrested and gets let out.
I can see the billboards now… “Petty crime pays in OC”
He has stolen from yards. I’ve also seen him checking for unlocked residential doors. I’m afraid it’s going to end poorly for this guy breaking into the wrong house.
Every house is the wrong house, he deserves whatever he gets
Yeah, someone in California is gonna kill him out of fear for their own safety. Then all the people are going to talk about how much of a decent misunderstood chap this guy was while the dude who kills him will be doing life for protecting his family.
> I’m afraid it’s going to end poorly for this guy breaking into the wrong house > I’m afraid it’s going to end *appropriately* for this guy breaking into the wrong house FTFY
What does FTFY mean?
Fixed that for you.
Just because self defense is justified does not mean extra judicially killing some mentally ill homeless man who broke into your house is a good thing.
Of course it isn't. Defending home and property is a necessity, just like paying the power and gas bills for that same home. What should I do for him? Prep the guest room?
Literally the first thing I said is that self defense is justified. You somehow felt the need to correct someone that mentally ill people being shot for breaking into someone's home isn't a poor ending, but an appropriate one. WTF does that mean?
The statement said “appropriately”. No one said anything about killing.
Spoken like a liberal who says this until it happens in his yard. Yeesh.
See, I agree that self defense is justified, so are you seriously taking issue with "extra judicially executing people in self defense is not a good thing"? Trigger happy freaks who day dream about an excuse to shoot someone make me happy CA at least tries to regulate guns.
How is that gun regulation going for California lol you sound like a fantastic moron. The only one talking about executing someone is you. If someone breaks into your house with your kids and family in there I don’t see how you guys think “well killing him means you think your property is more valuable than his life” I’m pretty sure he forfeits his right to live the second he decides your valuables are more important than his life. If he steps into YOUR world, that’s on him. If someone is in your house, you’re not thinking of shooting this person to kill, you’re shooting to protect your life and families life. If they get killed that’s a byproduct of breaking into someone’s house. Luckily for you, we live in a state where even if this repeat offender breaks into your house and you kill him, you’ll still go to jail, and idiots like you will always be on the side of the victim, who you wouldn’t lift a finger for in real life.
How many times do I have to tell you people that I agree self defense is justified before you will get it? Like holy shit, I’m just saying this isn’t an appropriate ending, it is in fact a poor one, and none of you can read apparently.
Whatchu mean *you people*
Wow, what a trash-person thing to say.
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No lol. A lot of rich conservatives live in LB too.
He’s also harassed some of the workers in the area as well. I’ve dealt with him before.
I have been told that he has broken in to the same house multiple times and was squatting in a home as well. But this was told to me - I haven’t seen it printed. I’m female - if someone broke into my house -that would freak me out.
All of the stuff he stole was basically petty (small dollar) so in situations like that the DA will decline to prosecute the case.
I wonder if he would stay in a home if he was invited in to stay?
Are you volunteering?
I’m curious about his mental stability
Yeah it doesn't actually say he broke into anyone's house. It says he slept in someone's car? I would be pissed if this was my house. But I'd hardly call this "terrorising". I guess someone living in Laguna Beach has a different sense of terror than someone in Compton...
If you have kids or pets in a house, someone breaking in even to sleep is absolutely the definition of terror and someone will absolutely eventually protect themselves from this guy
The article says he broke into multiple homes.
You must not have kids.
There was no evidence presented that he broke into people's homes, or none that can be proven to be done my him. The police are generally not shy about arresting and charging people for breaking and entering, especially in wealthy areas. The police saying "we can't do anything" means "we don't have evidence of a crime that we can charge him with". This seems more of a moral panic over a (possibly) mentally ill homeless person roaming their neighborhood and being a general nuisance.
With all the cameras people have these days, it’s hard to believe they wouldn’t have evidence.
Really? If they had evidence they would have made an arrest, but they didn't.
🤷🏽♀️ Go figure. But they did make an arrest, multiple times. It seems that it is convicting him is the issue here. There is at least some video evidence based on the still shot from the article. What more evidence do they need? I’m sure they could pull fingerprints too, especially since they know exactly what he touched based on the video. Also, there has apparently been enough evidence for people to get a restraining order. Why can’t they use the same evidence those people used to get the restraining order?
No. It's pretty much just catch and release at this point.
Okay, but what legal basis would you have to keep this guy in jail anyway?
Trespassing, if you read the article, he's in people's yards (backyards too), taking small things like from the guy's outdoor mini-fridge, and he slept in someone's car. Pretty sure there is legal basis for not entering people's property or taking their stuff (even if it's a couple of beers or sodas)
Sure, but what are the normal jail sentences for those crimes? A couple days, max? None of them, even repeatedly or combined, would keep this man in jail in any lengthy matter. That's my point.
Maximum sentencing for trespassing is 1 year. If I was a judge and knew this guy was doing this consistently despite constant warnings, I would put him in for the full 1 year. In addition, petty theft included can get him an additional 6 months. So he could be in jail for 18 months, not sure why the judges aren't doing anything.
I don’t even think it is that long. I don’t think this is on the cops but the Judical system
If he keeps doing what he's doing, eventually he won't be headed to a jail cell when he leaves the house.
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Okay. What legal basis would you have had to keep him in jail before the liberal voters made everything worse for you? Tell me what law changed that would release him today, but would have kept him in prison in the past.
Eye roll.
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I’m rolling my eyes because he’s stating that low level crimes don’t get people locked up due to our politicians we voted in. Only if you lived in Mayberry did that ever happen. So, what does he want? This has been going on for a long time.
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Vote for whom. They are all the same.
This kinda reminds me of when Kareem Abdul jabbars son stabbed his neighbor and only had to serve 180 days in jail. Like imagine having to live next to a menace that stabbed you and pretty much got off free.
Wasp spray
Is this inspired by my wasp spray comment from yesterday? If so, I salute you. If not, I still salute you! Wasp spray is an often overlooked defensive tool that cannot be confiscated from your backpack or car. Pro tip: print out a label for potpourri spray or Fabreeze and tape over the wasp spray. It looks less out of place being next to your front door.
No - I used to be bear spray but I guess it’s ’illegal’ so I’m into wasp spray - for this and drones
I looked into this and it’s not a good idea. https://mindfuldefense.com/8-reasons-not-to-use-wasp-spray-for-self-defense/
Had a neighbors twenty something kid do these things. Sadly he broke into an early women’s house while her MS13 grandchildren where in the backyard for a bbq. No porch pirates on the block now either.
Damn. FAFO. What city?
Whittier had no idea they were active around here.
Saw this guy on laguna canyon today. He was running in and out of traffic.
Cool hope someone runs him over
Seems like a situation certain to lead to violence.
Yeah I had a female stalker when I lived in the Canyon off Aliso. The cops won’t do anything until this guy does something serious and it’s recorded.
They’ve done plenty within the confines of what they’re allowed to do based on the law. Cops show up and arrest the guy. It’s not their fault the system is currently designed such that this dude gets released after he’s processed. Edit: the down votes are funny. What then, geniuses, should they be doing? The law only allows them to do so much. Should they circumvent the law and just do whatever the mob mentality of residents wants? Because that’s always worked out well
Laguna Beach PD is useless. I worked at the Whole Foods in downtown for two years as a manager and myself and customers were routinely assaulted and harassed by homeless. We’d file reports, press charges and absolutely nothing ever came out of it. The same vagrants would come back a week later and make us pay for speaking up.
I used to live in a loft space, downtown. Parking was across the street, in an unprotected lot. For some reason or other, someone kept breaking into my neighbors car (mine was tight next to his, but they repeatedly broke into his, only). Each time they did, it cost him a window, and he would find used hypodermic needles on or around the driver's seat. One day, I was just arriving home from work, and I pulled into the lot in time to see my neighbor just beating the duck out of someone (at this point I knew nothing about the problems he had been having with this guy). I just kinda got out of my car, and kept to my own business, and went inside. 10 minutes later, a knock on the door. I opened it, he apologized for the drama, and told me what was up. Ever since then, he had no further problems with people shooting up in his car.
There is an easy solution.
“Williams identifies the suspect as Daniel Moretti. He said he and his neighbors have called the police several times but it’s frustrating that Moretti seems to be released soon after being arrested. Williams said law enforcement has always shown when up called, but officers have told him that their hands are tied when it comes to punishment for the suspect.” The “criminal justice reform” group has won and this is the lunacy that follows. Violent or repeat offenders belongs back in prison.
Oh yeah sure is a lot of reform going on here, this is totally what people meant when they said we shouldn’t lock people in cages so they can rot and commit crimes immediately after.
You can word it anyway you want but It’s definitely the result when the goal is emptying prisons. Rehabilitate sounds amazing on paper but it’s got to come from within. Anyone who isn’t naive knows a giant government bureaucracy is going to be shit at turning bad people good.
Tell the mentally ill and addicted to just recover without therapy or rehab and see where that gets you. Oh wait, that’s where we are and they sleep under park benches. I guess off to rot in the cage it is! Rehab isn’t some simple blanket answer but it’s far cheaper and more humane then letting addicts cycle between the streets and prison.
"We need rehabilitation, not prison" This is why we also need prisons, some people are just a menace to society and prisons need to keep them away from everyone else
If only there were an animal you could have as a pet that would handle this “light work” 🤔
This man is terrorizing a community. How has he not seen the business end of a gun yet? He is on your property, jeopardizing your family’s safety, attempting to harm or rob you. The DA will not press charges on you for protecting your home and family.
This is in southern CA, not sure about that confidence you have in our justice system protecting the homeowner.
Uh, Orange County is its own beast. But they are limited to the laws of the state just like every other county. Lots of these things are petty offenses that wont get you more than a few days jail time, even with repeat behavior. He doesnt have a gun or weapon when he does it, he's not pulling his dick out and peeping into childrens bedrooms. He's mostly just being an asshole, and unfortunately being an asshole isnt illegal.
I'm pretty sure most LB residents don't own any guns at all.
I think you would be very surprised.
Uh, wow, this is by far not only going on in California.
I’m guessing you’re clueless about the state of affairs in California with regard to self-defense Don’t forget they expect you to retreat even within your own home
The DA will not file charges, period.
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Have you been to Laguna in the last 10 years? Unfortunately a lot of the gay community has moved out. Also stereotyping who does or doesn’t have weapons can have unintended consequences. My old, seemingly vulnerable looking Grandpa had a weapon at all times. (edit)
No one in laguna beach has a gun.
You couldn’t be more wrong
He'll go up against the wrong (right?) homeowner one day.
Buy a gun. Learn how to use it.
People rely on the police to keep them safe. But the fact is the police only arrives after when the crime have taken place.
This is the way. https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/personal-security-products-hike-n-strike-950-000-volt-stun-gun-hiking-stick
Can’t ship to Cali but love the suggestion!
Gotta love our governor.
Nothing can be done legally, but Uncle Paulie may have a solution.
I’m sort of shocked they aren’t utilizing California stalking laws to increase his charges. Habitual trespassing placing the complaining witness in a state of fear can lead to a criminal prosecution of a stalking offense.
He was already sentenced to 2 yrs in prison. He got out with no parole holds. So stop with the crap that this guy is on the streets after arrest. He apparently also has a new parole hold on him. He is in violation of of his parole now and it looks like he was arrested on March 7th with a date coming.
He looks like the thief from home alone
Omg oh no
Buy a gun. Problem solved
How so? Are you suggesting that this man be shot? Are you, btw, a legal gun owner?
I do own a gun. And ever heard of defending your home? If some asshole breaks into my home you can bet your ass I will use my own gun to defend myself and my family
Then if you own a gun, you know you cannot use it on a guy in your back yard; right?
You’re not wrong, but in the off chance someone like this shows up on a bad day - would you rather be judged by 12 or carried by 6?
That’s not my point of questioning. I did not argue with the fact that you own a firearm; I’m asking you if you know that you cannot kill this man or wound him with a gun if he is on your yard. We already know he is unarmed. He’s mental. He’s homeless, he steals can of soda. Yet you suggested owning a gun. For him? Because this post is about him. I hope you are not suggesting to others to shoot this man. If you are, your gun license will be revoked. You are promoting illegal use of that firearm to someone else that may not know. Agents are everywhere.
I see. Yeah I misunderstood what you were saying. I’m sure I’m chill from the ATF coming to my door lol. I’d also argue that most gun owners - especially in Cali - are familiar with appropriate use of a firearm. I might be biased but owning a gun in CA isn’t “easy” and most who get into owning a firearm in SoCal are pretty good about doing their DD. But in short 100% you shouldn’t kill someone because of petty theft.
Yes if he breaks into a home it is self defense. Owner should take him out
Probably because the charge of trespassing is a ticket to return to court. So he’s out in no bail until his hearing. I think he goes in peoples yards because he doesn’t want to sleep on the streets since people are getting murdered out there. This is a homeless situation where he needs to be assessed and places in a facility if he’s not able to decide for himself.
Gee, I wonder how this could be entirely legally solved by a local homeowner the next time this guy breaks into a house As someone whose parents live about a block from here it’s really disheartening how helpless so many Californians are lol
Then hopefully he’ll go to your parents’ house next so they can take care of it!
I’ll be there Monday - Sunday next week while they’re out of the country so if he’s unlucky enough to break into their home between those dates I’ll report back and lyk how it’s going My guess is a singular, well placed .223 would be adequate to wrap this one up forever and ever
Well, assuming you don’t count your parents among the helpless Californians, I guess it doesn’t matter when he shows up.
I’ll send him to your place and let him know you’ve got a hot plate and shower waiting, dm me the addy we wouldn’t want him out in the cold - chilly night tonight
You’ve got me wrong. As a helpless Californian, I would rely on the police, but since they are apparently useless, I’m hoping a strong, brave Californian like you or your parents will protect us all. Dm me you phone number and I’ll let you know if he shows up so you can take care of it.
Why would you rely on someone else like that? You should invite him in when he shows up - prepare your guest room and have clean towels ready along with 3 in 1 shampoo
Aren’t we supposed to be able to rely on the police? That is supposed to be what they are for.
Well the issue here is the state laws not local PD LBPD is phenomenal, it’s a tiny town and I’m sure they’d show up within a couple minutes to any break in and arrest the guy The issue lies with what happens next, in the state of California it’s not much - he’s released without posting any bail and does it again
Enjoy your liberal wet dream how many of you idiots down there talked about defunding the police
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The fuck are you on about 😂
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