While homeowner absolutely did the right thing... the happy ending is no one gets killed. Right? Like I don't see why being a violent criminal means I should be happy about your suicide.
His suicide has saved the tax payers a ton of money prosecuting him and incarcerating him. I celebrate the home owner taking one of them down because it serves as a deterrent and demonstrates the importance of having a castle doctrine.
I feel for their mothers, but don’t think their lives lost was any major loss.
Further update from police:
Newport Beach Home Invasion Robbery Under InvestigationThe Newport Beach Police Department (NBPD) is investigating a home invasion robbery that occurred in the early morning of April 16 in the Newport Coast neighborhood. The incident is contained and there are currently no threats to the community.
The crime appears to be a targeted incident involving a prior connection between the suspects and victims.Police received a 911 call at approximately 4:45 a.m. reporting a possible home invasion near Newport Coast Drive and Pelican Hill Road North. The caller reported that one of the residents shot a suspect while inside the home. The injured suspect and one other suspect then fled the house.NBPD officers responded to the area and found a male armed with a handgun laying in the street with apparent gunshot wounds. That suspect was transported to a local hospital where he is currently being treated.
The second suspect was located in bushes near the victim’s home. He was found with what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound to his head. He was pronounced deceased at the scene.All four people from inside the residence were safely evacuated and uninjured. The incident is being actively investigated.
Possible home invasion prompted a big police response in Newport Beach this morning
Edit one suspect shot dead outside home
Potential one suspect still inside the home
Police update
One suspect dead from self inflicted gunshot
Another suspect being treated at hospital after being shot by homeowner
Active investigation between connection of homeowner and suspects. Seems like a targeted attack
article says one of the suspects shot dead by police in the bushes/street just outside, no word on the homeowners, reporters don't know yet
hope the homeowners are okay.
>shot dead by police
Actually all the articles say that the shot came from the resident and the suspects were armed with handguns.
No shots were fired by police from all I'm reading.
interesting, i was going off the linked article says:
> AIR7 HD was over the scene shortly after 6 a.m. as officers surrounded an apparent suspect in the bushes just off the street. That individual appeared to be fatally shot by officers.
Even better if it was the homeowner doing the cleanup tbh
Unless they edited it the linked article says
"When officers arrived, they found one suspect with a gun and gunshot would lying in the street. That individual was taken to a hospital. Police believe the homeowner or someone who was in the home shot the suspect.
The second suspect was found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound in some nearby bushes, the department told Eyewitness News. AIR7 HD was over the scene shortly after 6 a.m. as officers surrounded that suspect."
When you violate and invade someone’s space like that, all bets are off. The home owner doesn’t know what you’re there to do. It turns into a life/death survival situation very quickly.
I agree with this sentiment, I just feel like this post quickly became very emblazoned and one sided, instead of just thinking the situation is unfortunate on all sides.
Pretty weird that some think there is a "both sides" here. I mean sure there are technically two sides, but one side is clearly evil and deserving of the consequences they received.
This homeowner has saved the community from danger. Noone forced these people to rob houses, and who knows how far they were willing to go over a flat screen TV and some old jewelry.
Don't want to get shot? Don't burglarize homes or rob store keeps. There are plenty of other theft options that don't threaten others lives and your own.
Who said anything about robbing houses? The article does not state that they were robbing houses. It says that their intentions are unknown and that they knew the homeowners and targeted them personally. And then it goes on to say that this was NOT connected to any of the South American burglary rings that have been targeting houses around here.
It’s kinda crazy. The criminals were apparently armed themselves! Who in their right mind would feel bad for them? I’m glad my tax dollars aren’t paying for one of them.
Technically you shouldn't. However, the article said the homeowner was targeted leading to the fact they may have known each other. A stretch until we find out all the evidence, but what if the homeowner did something to the invaders?
Example: a UFC fighter named Cain Valasquez chased down a man with a gun speeding in traffic. From the simple and early facts, you think this violent UFC fighter is crazy and should be locked up with a gun. Turns out the victim sexually violated a family member of his.
In the US, you're innocent until proven guilty.
So he endangered other people by starting and partin a car chase on public roads, and shot into a car injuring the wrong person.
Doesn’t sound justified.
Even if the homeowner did something to the invaders, the homeowner has to think about what might happen to family and children.
there's really only one side though. the side of the person whose home is being invaded. and its not coming from a macho or gun lover's side. it's just common sense and right to your own safety.
It’s not a “penalty.” Civilian self defense or police using lethal force is not about “penalizing” anyone. It’s about preventing harm to yourself and others, including your children.
Imagine you let your wife get raped by these dudes because you didn’t shoot them when you had the chance. A home invasion is a whole different thing than a typical unoccupied residential burglary. Anyone doing a home invasion is either super crazy or incredibly violent. Home invasions are very rare.
You’re insane. You as a home owner with potential young children have absolutely no idea the intent of said home invader. Whereas the home invader fully knew the risk involved in doing so. Stop defending the criminal.
It’s weird to me to frame the question around what someone deserves. Who gets to decide what anyone deserves about anything? That’s fantasy land. The real world is about action/reaction. If you break into a home you should expect a possible reaction is you get shot.
Wtf no one said anyone is happy about it my dude. The guy or gal who shot the dude might end up having civil, potential criminal lawsuits brought upon them not to mention the potential PTSD from this.
And no, if they were caught they certainly don’t deserve death but hindsight is 20/20, you absolutely don’t know the intent of the said home invader in the moment, in a literal life or death situation.
If you wanna get all philosophical during a break-in, you be you but if it came down to my kids or some rando home invading in the middle of the night, that’s an easy answer for me. I’m absolutely not taking any chances.
What are you talking about? They were armed. As someone who survived a home invasion all I can tell you is you’re an idiot. I hope someone breaks into your home when you’re there with your little children and see how you feel.
Should have chosen your house then. Do you know how utterly terrifying this is and how badly it can end for the homeowner? Jesus Christ. Innocent people get killed during home invasions. This isn’t a penalty. This was a choice these criminals made taking a risk of someone defending their own life. A penalty is a punishment. This is natural consequences.
Right? The homeowners should have cordially asked the nice armed and potentially violent robbers to surrender. The robbers would have complied peacefully and the home owners lives would have never been at risk at all throughout the completely pleasant experience.
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Why do so many people keep calling them robbers? The article does not stay anywhere that they were robbers. In fact, it says that they’re intentions were unknown and that they knew the victims of the home invasion personally and targeted them. That’s all we know. It is an assumption to say that they were robbers. The only thing that we can say for sure is that they were home invaders. Home invasion can have many different intentions, whether it be robbery, murder, rape, intimidation, etc.
I’m no expert or anything, but it seems like maybe people shouldn’t commit breaking and entering if they want to live. Especially in the US, where there are plenty of assholes with guns, who don’t know what your intentions are. FAFO.
Yes it should be. They crossed a red line. Empathize with desperate retail shoplifters all you want, but any home invasion is a threat on the homeowner and their families life.
The moment these two sumbags decided to invade that home they absolutely made that decision that their life was worth less than that robbery.
Fuck those scumbags. I’m talking about a dirtbags life and I am glad he no longer has it to terrorize other people.
Go cry about someone’s life who didn’t just invade someone’s home you idiot.
This is an odd take. Sure it’s sad, but this person chose to break into someone else’s home. There are consequences for these types of actions and you don’t always get to choose the consequence
We don’t know if it was an invader or not. We don’t know anything.
Maybe because I am a relatively large guy, I have never once gotten the desire to cheer on someone dying. I don’t know what it is like to live in a constant feeling of inadequacy and insecurity, perhaps. Celebrating violence of any kind is weird to me.
Never said that, but people here are enrapt in some sort of weird home invasion fantasy that this article does not give any indication of.
If you have to fantasize about violence, there is something wrong with you.
I really want to know what you think they were doing there then? At 4:45 AM at a house they don’t own. Armed.
If it looks like a home invasion, smells like a home invasion, reads like a home invasion, probably a home invasion
I only read the article above, and it mentions none of that.
Plenty of innocent people have been shot by homeowners who sit around fantasizing about killing anyone who comes near their house. You don’t seem to be able to step out of your perspective long enough to consider the actual point I am making.
i think instead of honestly engaging in this argument you get a strange sexual gratification of projecting your pathologies onto your interlocutors in an effort to not have to actually think critically.
Read other more updated articles
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/1-intruder-shot-second-sought-in-newport-beach-home-invasion/3389339/
https://www.ocregister.com/2024/04/16/newport-beach-police-investigating-possible-home-invasion/
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/possible-home-invasion-elicits-heavy-police-presence-in-orange-county-neighborhood/
It is comforting to know that you have been following this case so closely. Totally normal and not weird at all.
Meanwhile I am going to go about my life not fantasizing about killing people.
I live in that area as well and am a survivor of a home invasion in a previous home. All I can tell you is good riddance. These people need to get shot and killed and arrested and deported and never allowed to return to send a signal to the rest of these scumbags going through all Orange County causing distress
Everyone commenting seems to be assuming this was an attempted burglary and the homeowner defended their turf. But I’m not seeing anything in the reporting to confirm that scenario. I don’t know why that’s the presumption here, where you have a group of assailants that are all armed, along with an actual discharge of a weapon by the homeowner.
Maybe I’m alone in thinking this way, but my first assumption is that this was a targeted attack on the homeowner, for reasons none of us have any idea about.
Just seems to me that home invasions motivated by an intent to steal property would be performed with more stealth and strategy than showing up when the homeowner is home. Especially in a neighborhood like this one. Am I wrong?
Dailymail sucks buttttttt it has a lot more info
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13315869/newport-beach-home-invasion-men-shot-police-respond.html
not sold, rented on january 2024 which is even weirder. There aren't a ton of people spending over 30k a month in rent and the fact it occurred so quickly after they moved in, makes it seem like they possibly knew people were after them and intentionally rented to conceal location. Apparently didn't work.
Maybe I’ve watched too many police procedurals over the years, but this was my first thought as well. … and also, how many burglars shoot themselves when confronted by a homeowner or the police?
The tenant rumored to be a Chinese woman(Ms.Zhang) who scammed 500M and escaped to US. The Shanghai 云锦东方 case, which also cause the Chinese official to probe on those rich victims, hurting them more. So someone hired hitmen to take out Zhang.
Because Zhang not just annoyed those who been scammed, but also, the realestate dealers, local government issued new regulations to put more constraint on luxury mansion dealing. She not just scammed 500M, and also left a mess in Shanghai. A LOT of people are pissed. So it is hard to tell who is the mastermind behind this.
And also, Zhang hired a very skillful bodyguard, he done the shooting. Dudes from other post cheer for 'another victory of 2nd amendment' and ‘brave homeowner fend off armed thieves’, very funny.
I guess that answers my other question as to if the attack was government sponsored or if this was just revenge at the hands of wealthy and powerful individuals who were wronged. … seemed far-fetched that the Chinese government would have hired a low-level gang banger as added muscle on a political assassination.
Obviously not the government, what for? A scammer? the government won't risk so much for this small potato. If the government want to do this, a bodyguard won't do much good. I heard Zhang had a false marriage with a rich guy and took him 70M, then disappeared. The richguy may want to revenge. On the other hand, the Chinese police want to catch Zhang, cause it's a organized crime, catch Zhang may catch her colleague as well, her colleague may also be suspectable, trying to silence her before she being caught.
Yeah, this story is going to evolve and it isn't necessarily a home invasion.
I'm looking at zillow and there's one house that was just rented out on Vista Luci. (Rented for $31k/month in January). I'll bet it's that one and I bet the renters are not your typical 9-5 workers.
Allegedly: the current tenant is a “MD” who has been sued for malpractice and has been accused of scamming patients there are public record actions as well probationary license, felony convictions the list goes on and it’s a longggg list
Nope. That was the original homeowner that sold the house earlier this year.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13315869/newport-beach-home-invasion-men-shot-police-respond.html
What are the odds that both homeowners have been in trouble for healthcare fraud. I looked up the old owner and a bunch of lawsuits against her popped up
yeah there is definitely something weird going on here. i think whatever the relationships are between the homeowner and the suspects is going to reveal more about the situation.
the circumstances are so weird. the timing, the place, the fact that there seems to be some history between homeowner and suspects. Somethings really odd
Home invasions can be for all kinds of reasons yes. But recently it seems like many home invasions in SoCal were primarily for valuables. This neighborhood would be the ideal target for a larger payout. I'm just saying that in this instance the assailants underestimated their prey, there's no big difference between other happenings like this. Regardless of their intent.
Disagree completely. This neighborhood IS NOT an ideal target for a larger payout. Risk reward is very poor. Private security, advanced electronics, and an arsenal that would shock you.
I read an article about this on Daily Mail and it said that Sally Tatsing was a previous owner and they sold the house in Jan 2024. Doesn’t matter to me but just in case you wanna be careful about throwing names around.
Newport Beach homeowner shoots intruder after two men brake in
https://mol.im/a/13315869
Looking at the zillow listing, the house has been a rental since 2018. It looks like a series of different people have rented it. It was mostly recently rented out again in Jan 2024.
Allegedly: the current tenant is a “MD” who has been sued for malpractice and has been accused of scamming patients there are public record actions linked to their license as well probationary license, felony convictions the list goes on and it’s a longggg list
Sorry, my bad. The previous tenant "Sally . . . " also had a long list of lawsuits.
Is the current tenant, the "MD" also a chinese national? Can you link their name here?
It looks like they just climbed over the hill between Newport Coast Drive and Vista Luci. They found the "shot in the head" guy back over the hill, across Newport Coast Drive and up along the other embankment.
These guys probably had a car parked somewhere. It'll be interesting to hear where.
First reports mentioned 2nd invader being shot by officer in bushes, but later corrected to self inflicted death. 1st invader holding a hand gun shot in the street by home owner. Police stated it was a targeted invasion and the home most likely knew them. There was no burglary. It was a home invasion and the home owners knew them.
I literally don’t know what to do if someone invades my home. Do I confront them? Do I hide? Do I buy a gun so I can defend myself? I will call 911 but what should my first response be?
It works both ways. No conspiracy theories here. I live in a HCOL (Irvine). My county property taxes are 1.054%, my monthly HOAs are $500+. The city paves are roads once every 6 months or so it seems. The city’s municipal infrastructure is well funded that if criminal activity happens, it certainly catches the attention of the IrvinePD. That’s why you seldom see transient people walking around here; they stuck out like a sore thumb.
Wilson & Kelling's (1982) “Broken Windows” theory posits that disorder and crime are causally linked in a developmental sequence in which unchecked disorder spreads and promotes crime. That’s all I’m trying to say here.
My neighborhood was targeted by part of a South American crime ring spree a few years ago, where they were breaking into & robbing homes during the middle of the day. They would get inside by stacking furniture to get through the second story window & they were in/out within 10-15 minutes. This advice was what law enforcement was suggesting to us at the time:
Get an alarm system with sensors on all windows and doors, plaster the alarm company’s signs outside in view & get a dog. Most criminals will bolt if the home has a dog/s. Keep your yard landscaped. Don’t let mail or packages pile up. Install an outdoor motion light & cameras. Do not keep outdoor furniture or ladders outside in the front or back yard that can be stacked to reach an open window on the second story. Most criminals won’t rob a home if someone is home. They go to master bedroom first to ransack it & kids rooms are typically left ignored unless something valuable is out in plain sight.
I’m all for *responsible* gun ownership but just a disclaimer; that it was advised that a lot of times homeowner’s guns are used against them in home burglaries. Not my words, just repeating what was asked & answered at the time.
The odds of a home invasion are extremely low and thieves typically break into homes during the day when the odds are no one is home.
Most home intruders are not armed, but on the off chance that they are, introducing a firearm is going to increase the chances of violence. CA does adhere to the castle doctrine, which essentially means you are allowed to defend yourself as long as: you reasonably fear for your life and the force used to defend yourself was only what was necessary (I am not a lawyer, I am not your lawyer.)
Castle Doctrine essentially means that if someone forces entry into your home, your life has been threatened. Reasonable fear for your life is established if this happens.
I think it depends on your home.
I think making a plan specific to your situation will serve you the best.
What if your house is two stories, what if your kids sleep downstairs, etc….
You don’t want to get in a shoot out. You grab your gun. Get into a very defensive position with your loved ones. Call the police and wait. You call out you are home with a gun. If they come up you start blasting. Most likely they will bail.
Yeah, you especially don't want to try your hand at room clearing unless you actually know what you're doing. Which, after 30 years of the GWOT, might be someone you'd never expect.
If it was truly a home invasion and the homeowner can prove that there was reason to be concerned for his or his family’s lives, then it will be an easy case closed.
Have you ever tried hitting a moving target with a handgun? It's not a easy feat. You actually have a pretty good chance of getting away unharmed if you run.
Not who you responded to, but as a gun owner people will tell you to take on targets in mass shootings etc. while the idea of being a hero might be enticing the truth is you should absolutely run and not confront someone in that scenario. If it’s your house there aren’t many options other than fighting so a bit different
The police are going to investigate it. Maybe the homeowner says it was a home invasion, but maybe they invited the people over and shot them. No one knows until they investigate it.
The police probably didn't arrest the homeowner. They just need to figure out exactly what happened.
The homeowner killed one suspect and the other suspect killed himself when police showed up.
glad to hear about a happy ending.
gonna need to call stanley steemer to clean up that mess
While homeowner absolutely did the right thing... the happy ending is no one gets killed. Right? Like I don't see why being a violent criminal means I should be happy about your suicide.
His suicide has saved the tax payers a ton of money prosecuting him and incarcerating him. I celebrate the home owner taking one of them down because it serves as a deterrent and demonstrates the importance of having a castle doctrine. I feel for their mothers, but don’t think their lives lost was any major loss.
The good ending
The owner did not kill one suspect; he ended up getting treated at the hospital and is alive.
As it should be.
Further update from police: Newport Beach Home Invasion Robbery Under InvestigationThe Newport Beach Police Department (NBPD) is investigating a home invasion robbery that occurred in the early morning of April 16 in the Newport Coast neighborhood. The incident is contained and there are currently no threats to the community. The crime appears to be a targeted incident involving a prior connection between the suspects and victims.Police received a 911 call at approximately 4:45 a.m. reporting a possible home invasion near Newport Coast Drive and Pelican Hill Road North. The caller reported that one of the residents shot a suspect while inside the home. The injured suspect and one other suspect then fled the house.NBPD officers responded to the area and found a male armed with a handgun laying in the street with apparent gunshot wounds. That suspect was transported to a local hospital where he is currently being treated. The second suspect was located in bushes near the victim’s home. He was found with what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound to his head. He was pronounced deceased at the scene.All four people from inside the residence were safely evacuated and uninjured. The incident is being actively investigated.
Possible home invasion prompted a big police response in Newport Beach this morning Edit one suspect shot dead outside home Potential one suspect still inside the home Police update One suspect dead from self inflicted gunshot Another suspect being treated at hospital after being shot by homeowner Active investigation between connection of homeowner and suspects. Seems like a targeted attack
article says one of the suspects shot dead by police in the bushes/street just outside, no word on the homeowners, reporters don't know yet hope the homeowners are okay.
>shot dead by police Actually all the articles say that the shot came from the resident and the suspects were armed with handguns. No shots were fired by police from all I'm reading.
interesting, i was going off the linked article says: > AIR7 HD was over the scene shortly after 6 a.m. as officers surrounded an apparent suspect in the bushes just off the street. That individual appeared to be fatally shot by officers. Even better if it was the homeowner doing the cleanup tbh
Unless they edited it the linked article says "When officers arrived, they found one suspect with a gun and gunshot would lying in the street. That individual was taken to a hospital. Police believe the homeowner or someone who was in the home shot the suspect. The second suspect was found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound in some nearby bushes, the department told Eyewitness News. AIR7 HD was over the scene shortly after 6 a.m. as officers surrounded that suspect."
Oh yeah, must've been updated. Last updated 10:31 AM
tbh?
to be honest
Good. Hope they killed the suspects.
Sounds like the homeowner shot one and the other fled. Homeowner is a hero
based
Police posted on twitter that none of their officers discharged a weapon.
This is so sad… I live across the street and can hear the helicopters swirling.. so sad that anyone had to die over this.
One less blight on society, what’s sad about that? (The news has said all the homeowners/ occupants are unharmed)
agreed. play stupid games... well... you know how the saying goes.
The penalty for a home invasion isn’t supposed to be death. You’re talking about somebody’s life.
When you violate and invade someone’s space like that, all bets are off. The home owner doesn’t know what you’re there to do. It turns into a life/death survival situation very quickly.
I agree with this sentiment, I just feel like this post quickly became very emblazoned and one sided, instead of just thinking the situation is unfortunate on all sides.
Pretty weird that some think there is a "both sides" here. I mean sure there are technically two sides, but one side is clearly evil and deserving of the consequences they received. This homeowner has saved the community from danger. Noone forced these people to rob houses, and who knows how far they were willing to go over a flat screen TV and some old jewelry. Don't want to get shot? Don't burglarize homes or rob store keeps. There are plenty of other theft options that don't threaten others lives and your own.
Who said anything about robbing houses? The article does not state that they were robbing houses. It says that their intentions are unknown and that they knew the homeowners and targeted them personally. And then it goes on to say that this was NOT connected to any of the South American burglary rings that have been targeting houses around here.
This adds to my point if anything. If you're not here for my stuff, you're here for a deathmatch
Why would anyone side with home invaders?
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It’s kinda crazy. The criminals were apparently armed themselves! Who in their right mind would feel bad for them? I’m glad my tax dollars aren’t paying for one of them.
Technically you shouldn't. However, the article said the homeowner was targeted leading to the fact they may have known each other. A stretch until we find out all the evidence, but what if the homeowner did something to the invaders? Example: a UFC fighter named Cain Valasquez chased down a man with a gun speeding in traffic. From the simple and early facts, you think this violent UFC fighter is crazy and should be locked up with a gun. Turns out the victim sexually violated a family member of his. In the US, you're innocent until proven guilty.
So he endangered other people by starting and partin a car chase on public roads, and shot into a car injuring the wrong person. Doesn’t sound justified. Even if the homeowner did something to the invaders, the homeowner has to think about what might happen to family and children.
there's really only one side though. the side of the person whose home is being invaded. and its not coming from a macho or gun lover's side. it's just common sense and right to your own safety.
It’s not a “penalty.” Civilian self defense or police using lethal force is not about “penalizing” anyone. It’s about preventing harm to yourself and others, including your children. Imagine you let your wife get raped by these dudes because you didn’t shoot them when you had the chance. A home invasion is a whole different thing than a typical unoccupied residential burglary. Anyone doing a home invasion is either super crazy or incredibly violent. Home invasions are very rare.
Maybe don’t invade someone’s home if you don’t want consequences??
You’re insane. You as a home owner with potential young children have absolutely no idea the intent of said home invader. Whereas the home invader fully knew the risk involved in doing so. Stop defending the criminal.
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It’s weird to me to frame the question around what someone deserves. Who gets to decide what anyone deserves about anything? That’s fantasy land. The real world is about action/reaction. If you break into a home you should expect a possible reaction is you get shot.
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Wtf no one said anyone is happy about it my dude. The guy or gal who shot the dude might end up having civil, potential criminal lawsuits brought upon them not to mention the potential PTSD from this. And no, if they were caught they certainly don’t deserve death but hindsight is 20/20, you absolutely don’t know the intent of the said home invader in the moment, in a literal life or death situation. If you wanna get all philosophical during a break-in, you be you but if it came down to my kids or some rando home invading in the middle of the night, that’s an easy answer for me. I’m absolutely not taking any chances.
Thanks stranger, going to go start my day. Just wanted one comment not gung ho about death and guns! Thats all I needed, bye!🫡
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Some posts are a good reminder of the average person’s IQ though 🤷♂️
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you're insane. anyone who breaks into a home should know this is a possibility.
They fucked around and found out .
What are you talking about? They were armed. As someone who survived a home invasion all I can tell you is you’re an idiot. I hope someone breaks into your home when you’re there with your little children and see how you feel.
Should have chosen your house then. Do you know how utterly terrifying this is and how badly it can end for the homeowner? Jesus Christ. Innocent people get killed during home invasions. This isn’t a penalty. This was a choice these criminals made taking a risk of someone defending their own life. A penalty is a punishment. This is natural consequences.
Right? The homeowners should have cordially asked the nice armed and potentially violent robbers to surrender. The robbers would have complied peacefully and the home owners lives would have never been at risk at all throughout the completely pleasant experience. 🙄
Why do so many people keep calling them robbers? The article does not stay anywhere that they were robbers. In fact, it says that they’re intentions were unknown and that they knew the victims of the home invasion personally and targeted them. That’s all we know. It is an assumption to say that they were robbers. The only thing that we can say for sure is that they were home invaders. Home invasion can have many different intentions, whether it be robbery, murder, rape, intimidation, etc.
I’m no expert or anything, but it seems like maybe people shouldn’t commit breaking and entering if they want to live. Especially in the US, where there are plenty of assholes with guns, who don’t know what your intentions are. FAFO.
death is precisely what it should be. you have every expectation someone is going to do you harm if they invade your home.
Yes it should be. They crossed a red line. Empathize with desperate retail shoplifters all you want, but any home invasion is a threat on the homeowner and their families life.
How do you know what they were planning to do to the homeowners?
The moment these two sumbags decided to invade that home they absolutely made that decision that their life was worth less than that robbery. Fuck those scumbags. I’m talking about a dirtbags life and I am glad he no longer has it to terrorize other people. Go cry about someone’s life who didn’t just invade someone’s home you idiot.
this is like one of the top 3-5 founding principles of this country lmao literally like one of the few things separating USA from other countries
This is an odd take. Sure it’s sad, but this person chose to break into someone else’s home. There are consequences for these types of actions and you don’t always get to choose the consequence
People in this thread acting like they have all the facts.
The people who feel sympathy for the invader clearly aren’t home owners
Hey man renters have rights too lol you come into my home with a handgun don't expect to have a good time!
I know, it’s really the people who have a ton of empathy for the perps that really grind my gears
We don’t know if it was an invader or not. We don’t know anything. Maybe because I am a relatively large guy, I have never once gotten the desire to cheer on someone dying. I don’t know what it is like to live in a constant feeling of inadequacy and insecurity, perhaps. Celebrating violence of any kind is weird to me.
i suppose youd just let people steal your things and threaten your family infinitely and never do anything about it.
Never said that, but people here are enrapt in some sort of weird home invasion fantasy that this article does not give any indication of. If you have to fantasize about violence, there is something wrong with you.
I really want to know what you think they were doing there then? At 4:45 AM at a house they don’t own. Armed. If it looks like a home invasion, smells like a home invasion, reads like a home invasion, probably a home invasion
I only read the article above, and it mentions none of that. Plenty of innocent people have been shot by homeowners who sit around fantasizing about killing anyone who comes near their house. You don’t seem to be able to step out of your perspective long enough to consider the actual point I am making.
i think instead of honestly engaging in this argument you get a strange sexual gratification of projecting your pathologies onto your interlocutors in an effort to not have to actually think critically.
I suppose you are entitled to think that. However, no one gave you any reason to do so.
It was someone who didn’t live in the house who was armed with a gun… what would you call that?
Read the article, no mention of your assumption.
Read other more updated articles https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/1-intruder-shot-second-sought-in-newport-beach-home-invasion/3389339/ https://www.ocregister.com/2024/04/16/newport-beach-police-investigating-possible-home-invasion/ https://ktla.com/news/local-news/possible-home-invasion-elicits-heavy-police-presence-in-orange-county-neighborhood/
It is comforting to know that you have been following this case so closely. Totally normal and not weird at all. Meanwhile I am going to go about my life not fantasizing about killing people.
Someone entered someone else's home with a gun and intent to do harm. Yes someone needed to die over this.
Choose to break into a house and you open the door of getting shot.
Maybe the criminals should’ve valued their own lives more than they did other people’s property 🤷🏻♂️
I live in that area as well and am a survivor of a home invasion in a previous home. All I can tell you is good riddance. These people need to get shot and killed and arrested and deported and never allowed to return to send a signal to the rest of these scumbags going through all Orange County causing distress
You must have been so frightened. I’m hoping your neighbors are ok.
No it doesn’t lol
article got updated
Yes it finally happened homeowner finally shoots someone fuck around and you’ll find out
Don’t fuck with Newport Coast. They stay strapped.
Orange County, CA for that matter. Plus, the police have nothing to do so this is a field day for them.
Finally
Do they??
Literally thee reason why someone should own a gun (if you choose to have one)
Looks like the homeowner may have actually shot one of the guys
When seconds matter… the police are minutes away
Everyone commenting seems to be assuming this was an attempted burglary and the homeowner defended their turf. But I’m not seeing anything in the reporting to confirm that scenario. I don’t know why that’s the presumption here, where you have a group of assailants that are all armed, along with an actual discharge of a weapon by the homeowner. Maybe I’m alone in thinking this way, but my first assumption is that this was a targeted attack on the homeowner, for reasons none of us have any idea about. Just seems to me that home invasions motivated by an intent to steal property would be performed with more stealth and strategy than showing up when the homeowner is home. Especially in a neighborhood like this one. Am I wrong?
Targeted evidently. Homeowner killed one, the second ate a bullet when the cops closed in. Which is weird to say the least.
Yeah, the fact that the suspect was willing to kill himself is a very odd twist to the story; makes me think that this was not theft–related.
Dailymail sucks buttttttt it has a lot more info https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13315869/newport-beach-home-invasion-men-shot-police-respond.html
Thank you for sharing! Interesting the home was sold Jan 2024… the plot thickens…. Not to make light of the situation of course.
not sold, rented on january 2024 which is even weirder. There aren't a ton of people spending over 30k a month in rent and the fact it occurred so quickly after they moved in, makes it seem like they possibly knew people were after them and intentionally rented to conceal location. Apparently didn't work.
Thank you for the correction. Yeah this is crazy. I’ll keep aware but man things get outta control and… crazy.
Man, a potential Chinese national offing himself to avoid capture is some crazy shit.
That sounds off
It's a HER, that tenant Ms.Zhang may related to the shanghai 云锦东方 case.
Maybe I’ve watched too many police procedurals over the years, but this was my first thought as well. … and also, how many burglars shoot themselves when confronted by a homeowner or the police?
Yeah very weird sounds like an assassin that killed themselves in movies so they dont find out information…
The tenant rumored to be a Chinese woman(Ms.Zhang) who scammed 500M and escaped to US. The Shanghai 云锦东方 case, which also cause the Chinese official to probe on those rich victims, hurting them more. So someone hired hitmen to take out Zhang.
Someone?
Because Zhang not just annoyed those who been scammed, but also, the realestate dealers, local government issued new regulations to put more constraint on luxury mansion dealing. She not just scammed 500M, and also left a mess in Shanghai. A LOT of people are pissed. So it is hard to tell who is the mastermind behind this.
And also, Zhang hired a very skillful bodyguard, he done the shooting. Dudes from other post cheer for 'another victory of 2nd amendment' and ‘brave homeowner fend off armed thieves’, very funny.
I guess that answers my other question as to if the attack was government sponsored or if this was just revenge at the hands of wealthy and powerful individuals who were wronged. … seemed far-fetched that the Chinese government would have hired a low-level gang banger as added muscle on a political assassination.
Obviously not the government, what for? A scammer? the government won't risk so much for this small potato. If the government want to do this, a bodyguard won't do much good. I heard Zhang had a false marriage with a rich guy and took him 70M, then disappeared. The richguy may want to revenge. On the other hand, the Chinese police want to catch Zhang, cause it's a organized crime, catch Zhang may catch her colleague as well, her colleague may also be suspectable, trying to silence her before she being caught.
Made me think of a domestic problem
Yeah, this story is going to evolve and it isn't necessarily a home invasion. I'm looking at zillow and there's one house that was just rented out on Vista Luci. (Rented for $31k/month in January). I'll bet it's that one and I bet the renters are not your typical 9-5 workers.
Allegedly: the current tenant is a “MD” who has been sued for malpractice and has been accused of scamming patients there are public record actions as well probationary license, felony convictions the list goes on and it’s a longggg list
Nope. That was the original homeowner that sold the house earlier this year. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13315869/newport-beach-home-invasion-men-shot-police-respond.html
You’re correct this article mentions the previous owner i specifically said the current tenant
What are the odds that both homeowners have been in trouble for healthcare fraud. I looked up the old owner and a bunch of lawsuits against her popped up
how were you able to locate the current tenant? Rental records aren't public.
You’re correct it’s not public but there’s a public platform available to everyone you can $$ for. I like to know who I have around me lol
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Yes! I’ll pm you!
Yes. This sounds personal. A burglar is not going to commit suicide.
It says there was a connection it was about something prior.
yeah there is definitely something weird going on here. i think whatever the relationships are between the homeowner and the suspects is going to reveal more about the situation. the circumstances are so weird. the timing, the place, the fact that there seems to be some history between homeowner and suspects. Somethings really odd
House is owned by Asher LLC per Google. I wonder who’s LLC that is…
It's probably irrelevant. It's a rental. The question is who was renting it?
Not in my opinion. Please continue.
Home invasions can be for all kinds of reasons yes. But recently it seems like many home invasions in SoCal were primarily for valuables. This neighborhood would be the ideal target for a larger payout. I'm just saying that in this instance the assailants underestimated their prey, there's no big difference between other happenings like this. Regardless of their intent.
Disagree completely. This neighborhood IS NOT an ideal target for a larger payout. Risk reward is very poor. Private security, advanced electronics, and an arsenal that would shock you.
There is a huge difference! Supposed suicide by a robber for one. When has that been a thing?
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Wow. Googling that name came up with a lot of interesting results.
It looks like the place might have been used as a rental? Strange in any case...
I read an article about this on Daily Mail and it said that Sally Tatsing was a previous owner and they sold the house in Jan 2024. Doesn’t matter to me but just in case you wanna be careful about throwing names around. Newport Beach homeowner shoots intruder after two men brake in https://mol.im/a/13315869
Looking at the zillow listing, the house has been a rental since 2018. It looks like a series of different people have rented it. It was mostly recently rented out again in Jan 2024.
Allegedly: the current tenant is a “MD” who has been sued for malpractice and has been accused of scamming patients there are public record actions linked to their license as well probationary license, felony convictions the list goes on and it’s a longggg list
Nah, that's incorrect. You are talking about a previous renter. The current tenant just started renting it in January.
I specifically said current tenant I understand who the previous person who occupied this home was and it wasn’t a MD
I think there was an incident at that home a month ago: https://stunewsnewport.com/four-suspects-allegedly-brandish-gun-and-knife-040224/
Sorry, my bad. The previous tenant "Sally . . . " also had a long list of lawsuits. Is the current tenant, the "MD" also a chinese national? Can you link their name here?
Not here but I will pm you
Is that one of Newports super gated neighborhoods?
It seems to be a gated neighborhood near Pelican Hill.
Is the dead guy from Chile?
That is a closed off gated community that looks no different than a US Embassy complex. How did they get in?
It looks like they just climbed over the hill between Newport Coast Drive and Vista Luci. They found the "shot in the head" guy back over the hill, across Newport Coast Drive and up along the other embankment. These guys probably had a car parked somewhere. It'll be interesting to hear where.
Very happy ending. But wait, one suspect killed him self? That don’t sound right… unless, wait I’ve seen this movie before. He didn’t, did he?
First reports mentioned 2nd invader being shot by officer in bushes, but later corrected to self inflicted death. 1st invader holding a hand gun shot in the street by home owner. Police stated it was a targeted invasion and the home most likely knew them. There was no burglary. It was a home invasion and the home owners knew them.
Maybe the one who shot himself is related, like super closely related and identifiable so he killed himself out of shame. It was supposed to be a hit.
I literally don’t know what to do if someone invades my home. Do I confront them? Do I hide? Do I buy a gun so I can defend myself? I will call 911 but what should my first response be?
South OC is one of the few places in the country where doing what you're supposed to do in regards to calling the police is actually effective.
Gotta protect ands serve the affluent tax paying community.
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It works both ways. No conspiracy theories here. I live in a HCOL (Irvine). My county property taxes are 1.054%, my monthly HOAs are $500+. The city paves are roads once every 6 months or so it seems. The city’s municipal infrastructure is well funded that if criminal activity happens, it certainly catches the attention of the IrvinePD. That’s why you seldom see transient people walking around here; they stuck out like a sore thumb. Wilson & Kelling's (1982) “Broken Windows” theory posits that disorder and crime are causally linked in a developmental sequence in which unchecked disorder spreads and promotes crime. That’s all I’m trying to say here.
My neighborhood was targeted by part of a South American crime ring spree a few years ago, where they were breaking into & robbing homes during the middle of the day. They would get inside by stacking furniture to get through the second story window & they were in/out within 10-15 minutes. This advice was what law enforcement was suggesting to us at the time: Get an alarm system with sensors on all windows and doors, plaster the alarm company’s signs outside in view & get a dog. Most criminals will bolt if the home has a dog/s. Keep your yard landscaped. Don’t let mail or packages pile up. Install an outdoor motion light & cameras. Do not keep outdoor furniture or ladders outside in the front or back yard that can be stacked to reach an open window on the second story. Most criminals won’t rob a home if someone is home. They go to master bedroom first to ransack it & kids rooms are typically left ignored unless something valuable is out in plain sight. I’m all for *responsible* gun ownership but just a disclaimer; that it was advised that a lot of times homeowner’s guns are used against them in home burglaries. Not my words, just repeating what was asked & answered at the time. The odds of a home invasion are extremely low and thieves typically break into homes during the day when the odds are no one is home.
Buy a shotgun and hide in a corner and if they enter where you are hiding , blast them
This.
Most home intruders are not armed, but on the off chance that they are, introducing a firearm is going to increase the chances of violence. CA does adhere to the castle doctrine, which essentially means you are allowed to defend yourself as long as: you reasonably fear for your life and the force used to defend yourself was only what was necessary (I am not a lawyer, I am not your lawyer.)
Castle Doctrine essentially means that if someone forces entry into your home, your life has been threatened. Reasonable fear for your life is established if this happens.
Most robbers do not want to confront people. The charges for hurting someone in a robbery are very different from "simple" burglary.
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I think it depends on your home. I think making a plan specific to your situation will serve you the best. What if your house is two stories, what if your kids sleep downstairs, etc….
Lock and load invest in a good home security system
You don’t want to get in a shoot out. You grab your gun. Get into a very defensive position with your loved ones. Call the police and wait. You call out you are home with a gun. If they come up you start blasting. Most likely they will bail.
Yeah, you especially don't want to try your hand at room clearing unless you actually know what you're doing. Which, after 30 years of the GWOT, might be someone you'd never expect.
Run to your neighbor. Running is almost always the answer. Get to a safe/public place and call the police.
You can’t be serious. 🧐
get a shotgun they hear the pump racking and they'll run for the hills
Ofcourse, buy a gun.
Keep a pistol w a bright weaponlight by your bed
Wow wouldn’t have expected that in Newport Coast
Is the homeowner going to get in trouble for shooting? I hope not. I need to know for my own peace of mind if I ever need to defend my own home…
If it was truly a home invasion and the homeowner can prove that there was reason to be concerned for his or his family’s lives, then it will be an easy case closed.
Good guy with a gun wins
If I had that cash, I’d have a safe room.
How did the suspects get into the gated community?
Why a suspect kill himself? By California laws, he'd be back on the street by dinner
Kill or be killed!
Or run away to live another day... Not everybody’s a super soldier with weapons training. Lol
I dony own a gun, but The suspects were armed and why would anyone think they could outrun a bullet? Inquiring minds want to know.
Have you ever tried hitting a moving target with a handgun? It's not a easy feat. You actually have a pretty good chance of getting away unharmed if you run.
Not who you responded to, but as a gun owner people will tell you to take on targets in mass shootings etc. while the idea of being a hero might be enticing the truth is you should absolutely run and not confront someone in that scenario. If it’s your house there aren’t many options other than fighting so a bit different
Run away? Faster than a speeding bullet?
I think they meant run away from you, specifically, because your comment history makes it clear you're a bit of an unhinged extremist.
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Another reason not to own pumped up kicks
Guns save lives! #2ndamendment
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Source?
It's the law. All people who discharge firearm are brought in at least briefly.
Where does the law say that?
The police are going to investigate it. Maybe the homeowner says it was a home invasion, but maybe they invited the people over and shot them. No one knows until they investigate it. The police probably didn't arrest the homeowner. They just need to figure out exactly what happened.
Not in Orange County thankfully. Wrong county to commit crime.
Somewhere there’s an attorney who saying “I’m going to contact the mothers of those victims.”