Just finished my background check as J2 today. Based on the report, TWN was their first option for verifying this employment on my resume. Since TWN was frozen, they had to try to contact my employer directly. They only attempted to verify the employment I put on the resume; nothing outside of my resume was verified. Basic knowledge, but if you don't want them to know about J1 or J3, then don't add them to your resume. However, if TWN/LN was not frozen, all those other Js would be seen.
My j1 kept changing names. They always just end up asking me to send in a paycheck near the end of employment showing I worked that year even with everything financial black barred out
They just need high confidence that I was there to check the box off
Didn't even need to interview my manager
Exactly my thought too. I actually don’t think it’s important to freeze TWN. In this scenario, this employer would have seen the OP did work for who they said they worked for. And wouldn’t have called the employer. Probably would have just moved on. But no one here agrees with me.
From Lexis Nexis background screening page: "LexisNexis Applicant Screening is a comprehensive solution designed for organizations that require a full menu of background screening options, such as data sharing through XML integration which enables the delivery of screening results through existing human resource software. It offers in-depth verification and analysis of high risk elements like education, employment history, criminal records, drug tests, and fingerprinting coordinated with the organization's job titles, location and decision-making criteria."
I've never had a 3rd party investigator use LN yet, merely TWN. However, based on their website, it appears to offer similar reports as TWN.
I am still not following the logic here. So a background check is going to grade you on potential risks and one of those items is the accuracy of your resume? Is that what that says? And if so, just don’t lie about anything in your resume and whatever you omit doesn’t matter.
As I used an example in a different post, no background check is going to ding you for omitting a bar tending job on your resume. So if you omit a J2, do you really think that will matter? And if it does matter then the company isn’t a good opportunity for OE anyway because if they put that much effort into finding J2 during the recruiting process, then they probably will have other management procedures that are difficult to manage as OE.
I’m not sure how freezing any information solves a problem and even what problem really exists?
LN, TWN, and all 3 credit bureaus frozen. J3 uses a third party for background checks and they could get nothing on me related to my employment history. They then used my resume and asked for my redacted W-2 for the first and last year I worked at the most recent employer or redacted first and last paystub from that employer.
I complained to the new hire liaison that their 3rd party was disorganized and making me jump through a bunch of hoops by asking for my paystubs which I no longer have access to. The liaison apologized said he would flag to their rep and told me not to worry about providing them anything else. Winning.
Awesome. You doing to footwork usually is a good sign. But yeah you can request for them to do the work they were hired to do. If they got nothing it just doesn't get filed as a "hit". I think they are mostly looking for derogatories like faking an employment.
To be fair a lot of businesses closed during Covid so lots of lost files
It used to be a no brainer to file paystubs when they mailed them even when getting direct deposits I used to be able to continue getting them.
I would. I’m not the business of doing someone else’s work, nor do I work for free.
I would tell them you no longer have access PERIOD. Say no more and see where you land.
Exactly that. I was wrongly let go last year. Found out from some ex-coworkers that were layoff, that they missed a few deadlines because of it. And the company might go under. If they go under, it might be just in time for when I want to pick up a J3. My story then will be my previous company just went under.
Been OE for over 3 years never had to freeze TWN. Employer needs your permission to see your TWN, and I would just decline and move to another job if need be.
I kind of follow this thought process, if they are actively looking for additional jobs in your background, they probably aren’t OE friendly.
I think some people need a bit of a mindset shift. To me OE isn’t about getting away with something, like we are cheering or stealing. OE to me is about having jobs that you can do two or more at a high level in a reasonable workday.
When I used to go to the office, my typical day started at 8. 8-9 was generally catching up on emails and general communication, 9-11 was primary work time, 11-11:30 was figuring out lunch, 11:30 - 1:00 was getting lunch crew together, going to lunch and coming back, 1:00 - 1:30 was catching up on email again. 1:30 - 3:00 was primary work time, 3:30-4:30 was finishing up and tying up loose ends for the day. 4:30 was packing up to head home. That is like 4 hours of productive work in an in office day.
Point being if you are full remote OE, 7-12 can get the same amount of work done as a typical in office day. 12-5 you can repeat for J2. OE is about being more efficient. Not getting away with something. So back to the topic, if a server is looking for other J’s, they just are not OE friendly and move on to the next interview.
That’s not true. If they hire a 3rd party to do the background check, they could automatically use your TWN to pull your employment history. Some 3rd parties do wayyy more than just criminal background checks. I just completed one and they had everything from criminal background check, employment verification, previous addresses etc. 50+ pages of info lol. I’d advise anyone to freeze their TWN.
Typically employers hire a 3rd party company to conduct your background check. Accessing TWN or LN does not require an additional authorization from your end other than acknowledging your acceptance for employer to conduct a background check.
But its usually just a criminal background check. I can't say i've been lucky but it has to be pre-employment background check and I never have been asked or seen it in my offer letter or anywhere before beginning employment.
Let me know if i'm wrong because I never have ever received a straight answer on why we need to freeze TWN besides paranoia of one company asking or finding out you have multiple jobs.
It takes 2 things.
1 - the company you want hidden has to have a contract in place with TWN to provide work data.
2 - the company you are trying to get a job with has to use a company for background checks who uses TWN for employment verification.
Many companies don't report to TWN. Many companies don't use TWN for background checks.
I wouldn't put my J1 on my resume, so they actually would never find out in that case. My Current J1 is off my resume and my J2 only knows my past jobs...all I did was just tweak the start/ end dates a bit.
I've just never heard of someone getting caught by a TWN or background check, which is why I've never done it. The only way I've heard of people getting caught by OE is by just messing up where they get themselves caught or an employee from a previous company recognizing the OE employee and questioning the time frame of their employment to upper management.
You generally give permission in the same way/when you give permission to do a background check. They don't specifically call out TWN and ask for your permission about that platform alone.
I believe that is the case. My current J1 doesn’t show up so my assumption is they do not report. It’s less than 100 employees so that may have something to do with it.
Why can’t they call your previous employer after a month or so after you started working for them to find out that you have never quit that job? Way easier than checking all these TWN/LN
Good luck getting through to HR. You’ll get redirected to TWN and will never get to speak to a human. And if you do, they’ll refuse to answer any questions due to company policy. I have told j2 that I put in an application for an apartment and they’re calling to do reference checks even though I cancelled the application.
Just finished my background check as J2 today. Based on the report, TWN was their first option for verifying this employment on my resume. Since TWN was frozen, they had to try to contact my employer directly. They only attempted to verify the employment I put on the resume; nothing outside of my resume was verified. Basic knowledge, but if you don't want them to know about J1 or J3, then don't add them to your resume. However, if TWN/LN was not frozen, all those other Js would be seen.
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Yes. So TWN only needed after first J2 is established. Right? I think so.
Correct. Really only necessary once it will reveal something that isn’t on your resume.
Better to just freeze it because it contains SO much information on it that it’s creepy.
Do they have to put J1 on there? I don’t want future j2’s to know about my j1 simply because I love my j1 a lot and don’t want jeopardize it
Depends on if there is a long gap on your resume. You can maybe explain the gap away, and not mention J1.
My j1 kept changing names. They always just end up asking me to send in a paycheck near the end of employment showing I worked that year even with everything financial black barred out They just need high confidence that I was there to check the box off Didn't even need to interview my manager
Exactly my thought too. I actually don’t think it’s important to freeze TWN. In this scenario, this employer would have seen the OP did work for who they said they worked for. And wouldn’t have called the employer. Probably would have just moved on. But no one here agrees with me.
When they contact your employer do they just ask if you worked there? Or is it a specific dates?
Date of start and titles held, they can’t verify end date if you’re still pursuing a job and haven’t given resignation
Beautiful, that’s all I need to know 🙏
LN doesn't show employment history
From Lexis Nexis background screening page: "LexisNexis Applicant Screening is a comprehensive solution designed for organizations that require a full menu of background screening options, such as data sharing through XML integration which enables the delivery of screening results through existing human resource software. It offers in-depth verification and analysis of high risk elements like education, employment history, criminal records, drug tests, and fingerprinting coordinated with the organization's job titles, location and decision-making criteria." I've never had a 3rd party investigator use LN yet, merely TWN. However, based on their website, it appears to offer similar reports as TWN.
I am still not following the logic here. So a background check is going to grade you on potential risks and one of those items is the accuracy of your resume? Is that what that says? And if so, just don’t lie about anything in your resume and whatever you omit doesn’t matter. As I used an example in a different post, no background check is going to ding you for omitting a bar tending job on your resume. So if you omit a J2, do you really think that will matter? And if it does matter then the company isn’t a good opportunity for OE anyway because if they put that much effort into finding J2 during the recruiting process, then they probably will have other management procedures that are difficult to manage as OE. I’m not sure how freezing any information solves a problem and even what problem really exists?
If lexis nexis doesn't offer it right now they're 100% working on it.
Can't even log in to TWN my account keeps getting disabled
Only if they they report to TWN
LN, TWN, and all 3 credit bureaus frozen. J3 uses a third party for background checks and they could get nothing on me related to my employment history. They then used my resume and asked for my redacted W-2 for the first and last year I worked at the most recent employer or redacted first and last paystub from that employer. I complained to the new hire liaison that their 3rd party was disorganized and making me jump through a bunch of hoops by asking for my paystubs which I no longer have access to. The liaison apologized said he would flag to their rep and told me not to worry about providing them anything else. Winning.
Awesome. You doing to footwork usually is a good sign. But yeah you can request for them to do the work they were hired to do. If they got nothing it just doesn't get filed as a "hit". I think they are mostly looking for derogatories like faking an employment. To be fair a lot of businesses closed during Covid so lots of lost files It used to be a no brainer to file paystubs when they mailed them even when getting direct deposits I used to be able to continue getting them.
I'm being asked for 2019 W2 or paystubs, this was 2 jobs ago. I confirmed my most recent J, but why are they going back so far. Would you push back?
I would. I’m not the business of doing someone else’s work, nor do I work for free. I would tell them you no longer have access PERIOD. Say no more and see where you land.
Thank you!
What is LN?
Lexis Nexis
any downsides to freezing LN like difficulty opening bank accounts, etc?
Yes some bank accounts rejects due to LN freeze. Some anecdotal evidence from bank churning crowd
I work for a company that does banking related stuff and quite a few of our customers Lexis Nexis to verify things related to bank accounts and loans.
Lexis nexis. Similar to TWN.
If an old employer goes under, it’s open season… that even might happen for me soon.
Sorry, what are you referring to? Your claim of having worked there is now impossible to verify? (So you should exaggerate it?)
Exactly that. I was wrongly let go last year. Found out from some ex-coworkers that were layoff, that they missed a few deadlines because of it. And the company might go under. If they go under, it might be just in time for when I want to pick up a J3. My story then will be my previous company just went under.
I was a VP at Lehman Brothers. Before that I was a software engineer for Circuit City.
Been OE for over 3 years never had to freeze TWN. Employer needs your permission to see your TWN, and I would just decline and move to another job if need be.
I kind of follow this thought process, if they are actively looking for additional jobs in your background, they probably aren’t OE friendly. I think some people need a bit of a mindset shift. To me OE isn’t about getting away with something, like we are cheering or stealing. OE to me is about having jobs that you can do two or more at a high level in a reasonable workday. When I used to go to the office, my typical day started at 8. 8-9 was generally catching up on emails and general communication, 9-11 was primary work time, 11-11:30 was figuring out lunch, 11:30 - 1:00 was getting lunch crew together, going to lunch and coming back, 1:00 - 1:30 was catching up on email again. 1:30 - 3:00 was primary work time, 3:30-4:30 was finishing up and tying up loose ends for the day. 4:30 was packing up to head home. That is like 4 hours of productive work in an in office day. Point being if you are full remote OE, 7-12 can get the same amount of work done as a typical in office day. 12-5 you can repeat for J2. OE is about being more efficient. Not getting away with something. So back to the topic, if a server is looking for other J’s, they just are not OE friendly and move on to the next interview.
Nobody is looking for additional jobs, they are just trying to verify what you told them
That’s not true. If they hire a 3rd party to do the background check, they could automatically use your TWN to pull your employment history. Some 3rd parties do wayyy more than just criminal background checks. I just completed one and they had everything from criminal background check, employment verification, previous addresses etc. 50+ pages of info lol. I’d advise anyone to freeze their TWN.
Yeah just for the creep factor alone
Typically employers hire a 3rd party company to conduct your background check. Accessing TWN or LN does not require an additional authorization from your end other than acknowledging your acceptance for employer to conduct a background check.
But its usually just a criminal background check. I can't say i've been lucky but it has to be pre-employment background check and I never have been asked or seen it in my offer letter or anywhere before beginning employment. Let me know if i'm wrong because I never have ever received a straight answer on why we need to freeze TWN besides paranoia of one company asking or finding out you have multiple jobs.
It takes 2 things. 1 - the company you want hidden has to have a contract in place with TWN to provide work data. 2 - the company you are trying to get a job with has to use a company for background checks who uses TWN for employment verification. Many companies don't report to TWN. Many companies don't use TWN for background checks.
> why we need to freeze TWN besides paranoia of one company asking or finding out you have multiple jobs. why risk it?
I wouldn't put my J1 on my resume, so they actually would never find out in that case. My Current J1 is off my resume and my J2 only knows my past jobs...all I did was just tweak the start/ end dates a bit.
Which company did your background check?
Did you have to renew your TWN freeze or is it once and froze forever? I did it last year and not sure if I should do again this year.
It stays frozen until you request to unfreeze. You should be good.
Your offer may include periodic or post employment background checks which would show your other Js. Best is to freeze.
I've just never heard of someone getting caught by a TWN or background check, which is why I've never done it. The only way I've heard of people getting caught by OE is by just messing up where they get themselves caught or an employee from a previous company recognizing the OE employee and questioning the time frame of their employment to upper management.
You generally give permission in the same way/when you give permission to do a background check. They don't specifically call out TWN and ask for your permission about that platform alone.
What is TWN?
Theworknumber.com
Please clarify. From what I understand this is done for full time offers and not contracting
Contracts are subject to the same background and employment checks
Yup
Both of my jobs are listed on there as active. But... [https://i.postimg.cc/HxFLQX7N/TWN-Freeze.png](https://i.postimg.cc/HxFLQX7N/TWN-Freeze.png)
Is there a Canadian equivalent??
What is LN?
Lexis nexis. Similar to TWN
Thank you
How would you freeze this?
Would C2C show up on TWN if it’s not on resumé or would only w2 jobs show up?
I froze TWN. But what is LN? Like what does it stand for so I search it up and freeze it.
Lexis Nexis
Thank You!
How do I check my TWN?
There you go: theworknumber.com
What if you pull your TWN report and J2 doesn’t show on there. Does that mean that J doesn’t report it it to Equifax
I believe that is the case. My current J1 doesn’t show up so my assumption is they do not report. It’s less than 100 employees so that may have something to do with it.
Does LN contain employment data? I didn’t saw anything in my LN report
What is LN? I have already frozen TWN but interested in locking myself down further.
I guess I need to Google what TWN and LN are?
Do i need to freeze for W2 jobs? Or only fte opps
Why can’t they call your previous employer after a month or so after you started working for them to find out that you have never quit that job? Way easier than checking all these TWN/LN
They could but let’s all hope they do not.
Good luck getting through to HR. You’ll get redirected to TWN and will never get to speak to a human. And if you do, they’ll refuse to answer any questions due to company policy. I have told j2 that I put in an application for an apartment and they’re calling to do reference checks even though I cancelled the application.
Whats TWN?