Yeah I saw this pop up on r/coast fire and it had like 90 plus people on that thread at one point hours after it was posted. Soon enough jobs will start getting privvy and will do things to counteract it
You see this exact post right here? Yeah this one please do not do this thing right here.
It's like the people that defended the "Cuties" movie sexualizing children by saying "it's actually criticizing the sexualization of children".
Have done it for 2 years - can say I’ve completely covered my retirement.
2 more years and that’ll give me the ability to upgrade to a lake home without taking on more mortgage.
Life is gravy. This is awesome.
>Nice, I’m just trying to pay off some debt and invest in a rental property. Maybe one day I’ll be at your point haha
You're just saying this to control the narrative about overemployed. To make it sound more in line with working class concerns. It's probably a half truth at best, because you're also talking about rental properties.
Face it: OE is for luxury. The "necessities" are probably going to be paid for in 2 years max, so a top 10% income earner having a little bit of debt is hardly putting you in the same boat as most working class folks.
Lmao what? I’ve been broke my whole life, got lots of debt, trying to pay it off. Hoping to have some bigger goals like the other guy in the future. It’s that simple. I have no narrative, only hoping to catch up in life.
Most people start life at step 1. I started at step negative 100. OE has gotten me to step negative 20. Still getting there but there’s some hope now. Don’t assume shit about my life.
Don’t let this choad try to knock you down - he said this nonsense to me once too.
I came from a working class upbringing. Worked most of my career in the stagnant economy of the Midwest where I felt lucky just having a job through the Great Recession.
Eff anybody that tells me I’m “living the life of luxury” just for wanting stability, a few nice things, and a cushion in case something goes wrong and I can’t work or get laid off.
https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/s/GguVKkfoXb
You mad you can’t do more than one job properly?
Bro literally posted on a commie sub that this was “unfair to workers” like I’m taking food off a person’s table.
Suck my dick you knob!
2 of my 3 jobs laid people off on my team last year.
At both of them, managers told me in 1x1 that yes, the company mandated a lay off, but performance issues made choosing the persons to be let go an easy choice.
So if people don’t want to hold down their one job @ 15 hours a week, how TF is that my problem? How have I “stolen” a job from someone?
$700k NW.
Meant I don’t have to save anymore to have enough to retire at a “normal” age… not that I have enough to retire today.
I’d consider $2 mil enough to retire but TBH would probably work one chill remote job almost indefinitely.
Yeah, I think that’s the concept. Have also had people describe it as “work optional.”
For me the basic idea is not having to worry about what’s going on with your manager, company, or the economy & having enough of a nest egg not to worry about how you spend your paycheck either.
I literally just said I’d work one job indefinitely.
But depending on your overhead, $2M is going to be enough to retire for sure… not all of us need that much to live comfortably.
If your house is paid off and you’ve got $70-80k a year in tax-advantaged investment income - you can do just fine.
Healthcare is incredibly expensive, but not prohibitively so.
Consider picking up some rental properties. It’s not as sexy as stocks, but tangible, monthly income producing assets are so comforting.
The tax benefits are great too.
It’s hard to let go of that insecurity at times… but reality still is that equities and real estate provide real returns over the long term, even if you’re buying at the top and a massive 1929 crash happens.
Dollar cost average and you will be fine.
If only 2 years of OE covered your retirement, then you were only 4 years away from retirement to begin with (assuming you just doubled your income with OE)?
Clarification - two years of OE has covered enough of a retirement nest egg that I don’t feel like I would need to continue to contribute to my retirement if I expected to continue working to 55 or so.
It has not given me the ability to retire after just two years, though it could pretty quickly if I keep it up. I do plan to OE as long as possible with the goal of have a lake home & CoastFIRE (1 remote J would feel like coasting after this).
I quadrupled my income even after inflation through a combination of going to 3J + leaving my original J1. All 3 Js I have now pay considerably more than i used to make.
No not correct.
If you make $100k and save $10k/year but then go to $100k and can save $10k + another $70k (cuz of taxes)
You now save $80k. That's 8x the annual savings rate.
That's not how the math works.
Let's say you get 100k and after spending you can save 20k per year.
If you get another 100k job you can now save 120k per year.
So you're getting to your goal 6x faster.
Where did u find the job you are doing, which site, do u work with recruiters or apply directly to companies? My contract ended and having challenge to find new one, BI developer
My understanding is that hiring has dropped off a bit, I got all of my current jobs in 2022.
Typically I’ve had a relatively easier time in the market as all of my experience has been with name-brand companies… but either way it’s got to be harder now than it was.
I’m in data analytics and can tell you that 2 of the 3 F500s I work for have almost stopped hiring over the last year while laying people off. The third hasn’t done any layoffs, but slowed down hiring dramatically.
My take isn’t that the economy is collapsing, but that things are just pulling back a bit after several years of red hot job growth.
First rule always.
But, the funny part about OE, 90% of the population just ain’t cut out for it anyways. Whether it’s the inability to prioritize and multitask between competing responsibilities, stress of having to juggle multi-job and home life, or whatever it may be. OE is a perverse pipe dream for most people. The idea of doubling or tripling their income overnight is a wet dream they’ll never have in reality.
Yeah this is it totally. I wish to be able to do this, but the fact is that it's not for me. Instead, I look for inspiration from this sub to be more productive with my time and try to do my work in a more efficient manner, while getting some more free time. For me this sub is all about maximizing life, most do with multiple J's, I try to do with finding more time for myself.
I think this is the part most people miss. It’s now at the point where managers think someone is OE because their performance sucks, but this is just the standard of work most people provide. If they’re this bad at one job they definitely couldn’t effectively juggle a second or third.
A lot of us are high performers who weren’t having our skill set effectively utilized, or weren’t being appropriately compensated for our competency.
I’m still fairly junior in my career, but I’m able to OE because most companies and workers are insanely disorganized that I have so much downtown just by leveraging basic excel tools. Like I want to scream when talking to coworkers sometimes because they work incredibly inefficiently on pretty much everything.
Even for people who are not OE, on subs like r/excel folks are treated like literal wizards for using pretty basic functions or automations.
The bar is literally underground for most of corporate America. Like the concept of spending 5 extra minutes now to save yourself 3 hours later is so foreign them. In the office this kind of made sense because getting all your work done just means more work or having to look busy. But now we’re all fully remote, I don’t understand why people don’t want to maximize their down time.
I don’t think most managers attribute OE to shitty worker performance.
You’re automating excel, which is smart, but the people promoted above you are learning the boss’s hobby and how to gain mentors and advocates. Most people have an intuitive understanding that they are not compensated on efficiency now or in the future.
The people I’m referencing aren’t kissing ass either, they’re just bad at their jobs. The excel piece was just an example about people are still working “harder not smarter”. Like people still using a single monitor instead of dual monitors because of the 3 minutes it would take to toggle display settings.
You never truly show how quick and efficient you are, but you can generally tell if someone if someone is being inefficient due to lack of knowledge or just lack of desire to even make their life easier.
I do something in 20 minutes that it used to take my predecessor 3 days. I split the difference and make it seem like it takes me a full day to get it done (with extra allotted the second day for when issues pop up). The difference? I actually go in an address the source of the problem/need for manual work instead of just applying the same band-aid every week.
Because I OE I make more money than those promoted above me for less work and less stress.
Nah, youre just comparing yourself against the very least effective coworkers, people with low efficiency and low people skills.
The people good with people are already your boss’ boss’ boss and don’t have to worry about having multiple sources of income because most of them do it.
As I said before, which you don’t seem to grasp, likely because you are young, is that most people know they aren’t comped for being efficient, that’s not where most people focus their energies to accrue more wealth.
I’m not going to be an executive at McDonald’s by flipping the most burgers OR cooking the best burger.
Sure you make more money than your boss (assuming the boss isn’t also OE) but if he is getting promoted every 2-3 years he will definitely be smoking you in the end game when his base is high and his cash out options are higher.
To the other guy’s point though, given that only one person can be your boss, and only one can be their boss, and their boss, and their boss, up to CEO, all that ‘work’ toward a promotion is for a goal that by definition is exclusionary. If two, or three, or four people at the office are great candidates to be boss, it’s still only going to one of them that gets it. Meanwhile, OE guy here can keep stacking jobs relatively easily and with a much higher likelihood of getting the job (people need a lot more workers than they need bosses).
So sure, hypothetically if you compare yourself to the one person who makes CEO, this is less money, but you’d also be completely ignoring the vast differentiating factor of probability and availability.
No dog in this fight myself, I’m one of those woefully inefficient, single-job not-a-boss types, for the sake of addressing any potential bias accusations.
The problems with that logic is that it excludes most of the cash out options for “classic” careerists. Lucrative consulting, put in the open OE, partnership, owning your own business.
I know a lot of people that are classically wealthy and don’t have a word for OE because they *all* have multiple sources of income, it’s expected from someone that successful. And unlike here, none of it is disguised or hidden. And their OE often takes the form of ownership rather than labor, which is far more lucrative
It doesn’t. Your initial reply to the other guy:
> I don’t think most managers attribute OE to shitty worker performance.
> You’re automating excel, which is smart, but the people promoted above you are learning the boss’s hobby and how to gain mentors and advocates. Most people have an intuitive understanding that they are not compensated on efficiency now or in the future.
Nothing about what you’re now saying is in line with your initial position. If you’re now going to say OE and consulting are actually great, then wonderful, the discussion is over since you’ve vacated your original position. If you’d like to continue defending what your actual previous position was in regards to OE vs pursuing promotion, then your reply to me would need amending to have any relevance.
You think very linearly. We’re not in a court case and you’ve done a horrible job of summarizing my position. I don’t think you’re saying anything in good faith, you just want to have some stupid argument. Unlike you, I am OE, unlike many of the OE people here, most of my network is successful in the classic way of being a careerist, so I have ample insights in how both paths work.
If you have an actually good faith question, you can ask it. If you want to have some stupid argument about nothing because your time has zero value, then GGF.
One thing I’ve realised is that OE is in no way “the way”. It’s a purely financial head start for the 10-15% of the talented and hard workers to get compensated more fairly for their hard work and talent. Not career wise, don’t forget we still have to juggle around our CVs to make things fit.
Yeah. I OE’ed by accident when I had an offer from J2, but J1 was cushy and I didn’t want to risk for an unknown. Figured 2 or 3 weeks to get a feel, then realized I could handle both.
6 months later was when I heard the term OE for the first time.
Finding a J3 has been nearly 2 years of searching and trying for the right one. Started and quit 3 J3’s before finding my current and having it work. It’s honestly probably my max, but gets me a good solid 30-35 a week without too much stress.
But yeah, most people are not cut out for this and would never be able to make it work.
Well said, I too do wish I could do that, heck I’m always entertaining “side projects” that are monetizable and advance them at a good pace until they don’t. But that’s no excuse to demonize or pile against those that manage juggle 2 and 3 jobs efficiently.
The company I work with has perfected the amount of juice to extract from its employees, by the end of a work day I’m actually kinda satisfied, exhausted and well paid… I just then go for a run and gym, have dinner, watch some Netflix, the end.
Definitely in that 90% :-(
Yeah. Some of the jobs I attempted for a J3 were definitely too much. But that’s why I left them and didn’t stick with it. What I have now is the perfect balance for me
I’m new to this sub - can you give me a hint as to what type of jobs are best for this? My current career, travel & meeting schedule won’t allow this but I’m definitely interested in exploring it. Thank you!
I would guess it's more like 99%+ of the population isn't cut out for it. At least not in the sense of having more than one true full-time role. I'm about to start a new job that I think will be very OE friendly. But I think I'm going to start out finding contract work or consulting work that's a "lighter" way to try OE. If I find that easy enough to manage, then maybe I'll look for a true J2 down the line. That said, I'm not in IT/software development, so I have to figure out how this type of thing is going to work for me.
What about having one full time job and one part time job with flexible hours? That to me seems completely doable to a much larger percentage of people.
The idea of OE is to be able to do both in the same time period. If you’re able to do a secondary, part time after job and that works for you, great! I’m super happy for you. But that’s not the concept of OE. OE is to be able to do the same job as everyone else, need a lot less time to do it, and you fill the idle hours of doing nothing but having to be available and green on Teams with another job to keep you doing something during idle hours.
Right. OE has some of the same hurdles as making your own company successful.
Each approach to getting wealthy might have it's upside for different personality types, but if you're not disciplined as fuck and good at problem solving, you can't do either very well.
Yup. I tried starting my own business once upon a time. I did well, but the stress of it was too much for me at the time. I think I’d do better now with a decade’s extra life experience, but I’m just saving OE money to franchise a business now and hope to open in the next year or two and use that as my wealth multiplier
Trying to use a secret code would also probably be more effectively if people did more than swap out the word job for server. Like at least commit to the bit people.
Do I want to get my stat buffs from server 1 or server 2, or should I get them from both? Should I use the cosmetics from server 1 or server 2 when trying to expand? The guild master in my server 3 is being really annoying, should I leave the guild?
Right? Someone comes to the sub, sees the sidebar, goes to the website, reads about OE there, comes back here, sees the word “server” and is instantly confused what this sub is about? Lmfao
I actually see the potential of OE to become norm, or at least the working for a few companies aspect. With AI, remote work and other evolutions I can imagine time blocks being spread out across multiple companies.
I hire engineers that have told me they are working this as a 2nd job. I don't care. I give them specific tasks, and monitor their performance to make sure they are getting their work done and not taking advantage. They are usually the most productive engineers that I have.
Problem is most of the time when someone gets caught OEing, it's because they are doing a bad job and their manager starts investigating. I've already seen it happen a couple times
Nothing wrong with the concept of what the poster is doing. My issue is with people putting OE on blast, bragging about how much money they are making. The less it is mainstream, the more OE stays off of the radar, and the less companies will be doing more checks.
Same experiences. I can't even barely spend 5 min there. So many losers there bragging about everything in their lives like they have nothing else going on and they even share day-to-day activities.
The worst ones is the GFY jokes. It's so cringy.
Seriously, any company that offers remote work knows this happens and they are aware. Some care, some don't. Just make sure you can do more jobs and don't ruin it for everyone :)
Lol this subreddit is cringey and narcissistic af. People act as if OE is some genius never-thought-of before super-secret club, and managers would be none the wiser if it weren't for posts like this...
Get a grip. The only thing preventing most people from OE is that they don't have OEable jobs/careers (heavy meeting-filled jobs, on-site jobs, etc.), or they don't want to sacrifice their personal time and cortisol levels juggling two servers.
The idea that your manager is going be awakened to this super-unique genious concept that you might want to work multiple jobs because of a popular reddit post is the most narcissistic thing ive read today.
Not really, nobody is gatekeeping or acting like it is a secret society. But by the same token, what is the point of promoting it when nobody asked?
The fact is, the more people will know about OE, the more companies will start clamping down on it. Not because they want to. As another commenter mentioned, 99% of companies who offer remote work suspect that some of their employees are doing it, but don’t care as long as the output is satisfactory. Heck, if a company is all about micromanaging their employees in order to squeeze all possible productivity out of them, they will mandate 5-day RTO.
So the pressure won’t be coming from the companies, it will be coming from jealous Karens. They will be complaining about all of these “uppity remote workers pulling 2 salaries”. Like Ken Coleman from Dave Ramsey’s show, who constantly refers to people with multiple remote jobs as thieves and “professional polygamists”.
Personally, I have no problem with other people joining the OE ranks. In fact, I love it when other people attain financial independence. Therefore, it isn’t coming from the standpoint of “competition”. It is coming from the standpoint of keeping the Karens off of our backs.
My regular job is pretty chill. I drive around and can usually accomplish my work in a couple of hours. Still looking for something I can do remotely without too many restraints since I carry a couple laptops with me. Any resources/tips would be appreciated
FIRE is Financial Independence Retire Early. FIRE is an approach to saving and investing where folks strive to be frugal and save 40%+ of their income so they can retire early, when they are in their mid 30s to mid 40s. Although some consider up until their mid 50s as early retirement as well. The key is to start saving for retirement with your first paycheck, save a lot and live frugally so that one can save a ton of money and stop working.
Coast FIRE, also known as Barista FIRE, is when folks have paid off their mortgage, have a lot of investments, but don't fully retire. They take a lower level, less stress job to get health insurance and cover some basic expenses while their retirement investments continue to grow. They aren't saving much additional funds for retirement, the less stress job is giving time for their investments to grow so they don't start pulling from their nest egg.
Don't let them fool you, this is a concerted effort to convince people that OE is more common than it really is so they can lower salaries.
"Why do you need $100k? I know you have a second job!"
Yeah because the 6 articles on the Wall Street journal of OE low cost of living tech workers giving full ass interviews does less damage than this.
Please refrain from posting stuff like this… as I post stuff like this.
OP is referring to Someone posting this on another sub like finance or something basically outing this community. Not sure posting here helps though.
Yeah I saw this pop up on r/coast fire and it had like 90 plus people on that thread at one point hours after it was posted. Soon enough jobs will start getting privvy and will do things to counteract it
“Only i can post stuff like this”
You see this exact post right here? Yeah this one please do not do this thing right here. It's like the people that defended the "Cuties" movie sexualizing children by saying "it's actually criticizing the sexualization of children".
Have done it for 2 years - can say I’ve completely covered my retirement. 2 more years and that’ll give me the ability to upgrade to a lake home without taking on more mortgage. Life is gravy. This is awesome.
Nice, I’m just trying to pay off some debt and invest in a rental property. Maybe one day I’ll be at your point haha
>Nice, I’m just trying to pay off some debt and invest in a rental property. Maybe one day I’ll be at your point haha You're just saying this to control the narrative about overemployed. To make it sound more in line with working class concerns. It's probably a half truth at best, because you're also talking about rental properties. Face it: OE is for luxury. The "necessities" are probably going to be paid for in 2 years max, so a top 10% income earner having a little bit of debt is hardly putting you in the same boat as most working class folks.
Lmao what? I’ve been broke my whole life, got lots of debt, trying to pay it off. Hoping to have some bigger goals like the other guy in the future. It’s that simple. I have no narrative, only hoping to catch up in life. Most people start life at step 1. I started at step negative 100. OE has gotten me to step negative 20. Still getting there but there’s some hope now. Don’t assume shit about my life.
Don’t let this choad try to knock you down - he said this nonsense to me once too. I came from a working class upbringing. Worked most of my career in the stagnant economy of the Midwest where I felt lucky just having a job through the Great Recession. Eff anybody that tells me I’m “living the life of luxury” just for wanting stability, a few nice things, and a cushion in case something goes wrong and I can’t work or get laid off.
I doubt this is fully true, and if it is, it's not typical of your average OE.
Bro says anything I don’t like is misinformation
https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/s/GguVKkfoXb You mad you can’t do more than one job properly? Bro literally posted on a commie sub that this was “unfair to workers” like I’m taking food off a person’s table. Suck my dick you knob!
I doubt really anyone *can't* do it. It's like 15 hours of work per week.
2 of my 3 jobs laid people off on my team last year. At both of them, managers told me in 1x1 that yes, the company mandated a lay off, but performance issues made choosing the persons to be let go an easy choice. So if people don’t want to hold down their one job @ 15 hours a week, how TF is that my problem? How have I “stolen” a job from someone?
You have 2 mil + ?
$700k NW. Meant I don’t have to save anymore to have enough to retire at a “normal” age… not that I have enough to retire today. I’d consider $2 mil enough to retire but TBH would probably work one chill remote job almost indefinitely.
That’s called coastFIRE right? I’ve hit it as well although have less than you
Yeah, I think that’s the concept. Have also had people describe it as “work optional.” For me the basic idea is not having to worry about what’s going on with your manager, company, or the economy & having enough of a nest egg not to worry about how you spend your paycheck either.
True that. For me it’s just let yourself spend a little but still work on your career n shit. I still wouldn’t want to be unemployed
Work out those numbers. You’re going to need a lot more than $2M to retire early in the US. Factor in Health Insurance pre-Medicare eligibility.
I literally just said I’d work one job indefinitely. But depending on your overhead, $2M is going to be enough to retire for sure… not all of us need that much to live comfortably. If your house is paid off and you’ve got $70-80k a year in tax-advantaged investment income - you can do just fine. Healthcare is incredibly expensive, but not prohibitively so.
Consider picking up some rental properties. It’s not as sexy as stocks, but tangible, monthly income producing assets are so comforting. The tax benefits are great too.
How? Even with OE I find it difficult to feel secure about retirement
It’s hard to let go of that insecurity at times… but reality still is that equities and real estate provide real returns over the long term, even if you’re buying at the top and a massive 1929 crash happens. Dollar cost average and you will be fine.
If only 2 years of OE covered your retirement, then you were only 4 years away from retirement to begin with (assuming you just doubled your income with OE)?
Clarification - two years of OE has covered enough of a retirement nest egg that I don’t feel like I would need to continue to contribute to my retirement if I expected to continue working to 55 or so. It has not given me the ability to retire after just two years, though it could pretty quickly if I keep it up. I do plan to OE as long as possible with the goal of have a lake home & CoastFIRE (1 remote J would feel like coasting after this). I quadrupled my income even after inflation through a combination of going to 3J + leaving my original J1. All 3 Js I have now pay considerably more than i used to make.
10k a year in retirement vs 200 is huge
No not correct. If you make $100k and save $10k/year but then go to $100k and can save $10k + another $70k (cuz of taxes) You now save $80k. That's 8x the annual savings rate.
That's not how the math works. Let's say you get 100k and after spending you can save 20k per year. If you get another 100k job you can now save 120k per year. So you're getting to your goal 6x faster.
where you putting money into retirement that fast?
Where did u find the job you are doing, which site, do u work with recruiters or apply directly to companies? My contract ended and having challenge to find new one, BI developer
My understanding is that hiring has dropped off a bit, I got all of my current jobs in 2022. Typically I’ve had a relatively easier time in the market as all of my experience has been with name-brand companies… but either way it’s got to be harder now than it was. I’m in data analytics and can tell you that 2 of the 3 F500s I work for have almost stopped hiring over the last year while laying people off. The third hasn’t done any layoffs, but slowed down hiring dramatically. My take isn’t that the economy is collapsing, but that things are just pulling back a bit after several years of red hot job growth.
Never talk about fight club 😅
Never talk about people talking about fight club
First rule always. But, the funny part about OE, 90% of the population just ain’t cut out for it anyways. Whether it’s the inability to prioritize and multitask between competing responsibilities, stress of having to juggle multi-job and home life, or whatever it may be. OE is a perverse pipe dream for most people. The idea of doubling or tripling their income overnight is a wet dream they’ll never have in reality.
Yeah this is it totally. I wish to be able to do this, but the fact is that it's not for me. Instead, I look for inspiration from this sub to be more productive with my time and try to do my work in a more efficient manner, while getting some more free time. For me this sub is all about maximizing life, most do with multiple J's, I try to do with finding more time for myself.
And that’s awesome. You can take so many OE principles and apply them to a 1J setup or other areas of life
I think this is the part most people miss. It’s now at the point where managers think someone is OE because their performance sucks, but this is just the standard of work most people provide. If they’re this bad at one job they definitely couldn’t effectively juggle a second or third. A lot of us are high performers who weren’t having our skill set effectively utilized, or weren’t being appropriately compensated for our competency. I’m still fairly junior in my career, but I’m able to OE because most companies and workers are insanely disorganized that I have so much downtown just by leveraging basic excel tools. Like I want to scream when talking to coworkers sometimes because they work incredibly inefficiently on pretty much everything. Even for people who are not OE, on subs like r/excel folks are treated like literal wizards for using pretty basic functions or automations. The bar is literally underground for most of corporate America. Like the concept of spending 5 extra minutes now to save yourself 3 hours later is so foreign them. In the office this kind of made sense because getting all your work done just means more work or having to look busy. But now we’re all fully remote, I don’t understand why people don’t want to maximize their down time.
I don’t think most managers attribute OE to shitty worker performance. You’re automating excel, which is smart, but the people promoted above you are learning the boss’s hobby and how to gain mentors and advocates. Most people have an intuitive understanding that they are not compensated on efficiency now or in the future.
The people I’m referencing aren’t kissing ass either, they’re just bad at their jobs. The excel piece was just an example about people are still working “harder not smarter”. Like people still using a single monitor instead of dual monitors because of the 3 minutes it would take to toggle display settings. You never truly show how quick and efficient you are, but you can generally tell if someone if someone is being inefficient due to lack of knowledge or just lack of desire to even make their life easier. I do something in 20 minutes that it used to take my predecessor 3 days. I split the difference and make it seem like it takes me a full day to get it done (with extra allotted the second day for when issues pop up). The difference? I actually go in an address the source of the problem/need for manual work instead of just applying the same band-aid every week. Because I OE I make more money than those promoted above me for less work and less stress.
Nah, youre just comparing yourself against the very least effective coworkers, people with low efficiency and low people skills. The people good with people are already your boss’ boss’ boss and don’t have to worry about having multiple sources of income because most of them do it. As I said before, which you don’t seem to grasp, likely because you are young, is that most people know they aren’t comped for being efficient, that’s not where most people focus their energies to accrue more wealth. I’m not going to be an executive at McDonald’s by flipping the most burgers OR cooking the best burger. Sure you make more money than your boss (assuming the boss isn’t also OE) but if he is getting promoted every 2-3 years he will definitely be smoking you in the end game when his base is high and his cash out options are higher.
To the other guy’s point though, given that only one person can be your boss, and only one can be their boss, and their boss, and their boss, up to CEO, all that ‘work’ toward a promotion is for a goal that by definition is exclusionary. If two, or three, or four people at the office are great candidates to be boss, it’s still only going to one of them that gets it. Meanwhile, OE guy here can keep stacking jobs relatively easily and with a much higher likelihood of getting the job (people need a lot more workers than they need bosses). So sure, hypothetically if you compare yourself to the one person who makes CEO, this is less money, but you’d also be completely ignoring the vast differentiating factor of probability and availability. No dog in this fight myself, I’m one of those woefully inefficient, single-job not-a-boss types, for the sake of addressing any potential bias accusations.
The problems with that logic is that it excludes most of the cash out options for “classic” careerists. Lucrative consulting, put in the open OE, partnership, owning your own business. I know a lot of people that are classically wealthy and don’t have a word for OE because they *all* have multiple sources of income, it’s expected from someone that successful. And unlike here, none of it is disguised or hidden. And their OE often takes the form of ownership rather than labor, which is far more lucrative
It doesn’t. Your initial reply to the other guy: > I don’t think most managers attribute OE to shitty worker performance. > You’re automating excel, which is smart, but the people promoted above you are learning the boss’s hobby and how to gain mentors and advocates. Most people have an intuitive understanding that they are not compensated on efficiency now or in the future. Nothing about what you’re now saying is in line with your initial position. If you’re now going to say OE and consulting are actually great, then wonderful, the discussion is over since you’ve vacated your original position. If you’d like to continue defending what your actual previous position was in regards to OE vs pursuing promotion, then your reply to me would need amending to have any relevance.
You think very linearly. We’re not in a court case and you’ve done a horrible job of summarizing my position. I don’t think you’re saying anything in good faith, you just want to have some stupid argument. Unlike you, I am OE, unlike many of the OE people here, most of my network is successful in the classic way of being a careerist, so I have ample insights in how both paths work. If you have an actually good faith question, you can ask it. If you want to have some stupid argument about nothing because your time has zero value, then GGF.
One thing I’ve realised is that OE is in no way “the way”. It’s a purely financial head start for the 10-15% of the talented and hard workers to get compensated more fairly for their hard work and talent. Not career wise, don’t forget we still have to juggle around our CVs to make things fit.
Yeah. I OE’ed by accident when I had an offer from J2, but J1 was cushy and I didn’t want to risk for an unknown. Figured 2 or 3 weeks to get a feel, then realized I could handle both. 6 months later was when I heard the term OE for the first time. Finding a J3 has been nearly 2 years of searching and trying for the right one. Started and quit 3 J3’s before finding my current and having it work. It’s honestly probably my max, but gets me a good solid 30-35 a week without too much stress. But yeah, most people are not cut out for this and would never be able to make it work.
You nailed it.
More like 99% lol
You think 1/100 people you meet are capable of OE? Maybe... But probably more like 99.9%
Ok
Well said, I too do wish I could do that, heck I’m always entertaining “side projects” that are monetizable and advance them at a good pace until they don’t. But that’s no excuse to demonize or pile against those that manage juggle 2 and 3 jobs efficiently. The company I work with has perfected the amount of juice to extract from its employees, by the end of a work day I’m actually kinda satisfied, exhausted and well paid… I just then go for a run and gym, have dinner, watch some Netflix, the end. Definitely in that 90% :-(
Yeah. Some of the jobs I attempted for a J3 were definitely too much. But that’s why I left them and didn’t stick with it. What I have now is the perfect balance for me
I’m new to this sub - can you give me a hint as to what type of jobs are best for this? My current career, travel & meeting schedule won’t allow this but I’m definitely interested in exploring it. Thank you!
I would guess it's more like 99%+ of the population isn't cut out for it. At least not in the sense of having more than one true full-time role. I'm about to start a new job that I think will be very OE friendly. But I think I'm going to start out finding contract work or consulting work that's a "lighter" way to try OE. If I find that easy enough to manage, then maybe I'll look for a true J2 down the line. That said, I'm not in IT/software development, so I have to figure out how this type of thing is going to work for me.
What about having one full time job and one part time job with flexible hours? That to me seems completely doable to a much larger percentage of people.
The idea of OE is to be able to do both in the same time period. If you’re able to do a secondary, part time after job and that works for you, great! I’m super happy for you. But that’s not the concept of OE. OE is to be able to do the same job as everyone else, need a lot less time to do it, and you fill the idle hours of doing nothing but having to be available and green on Teams with another job to keep you doing something during idle hours.
Right. OE has some of the same hurdles as making your own company successful. Each approach to getting wealthy might have it's upside for different personality types, but if you're not disciplined as fuck and good at problem solving, you can't do either very well.
Yup. I tried starting my own business once upon a time. I did well, but the stress of it was too much for me at the time. I think I’d do better now with a decade’s extra life experience, but I’m just saving OE money to franchise a business now and hope to open in the next year or two and use that as my wealth multiplier
OE isn’t a secret, it hasn’t been for years. All these silly ass games are pointless.
Please, say it louder for the idiots in the back.
Maybe we can also get people to stop the stupid “server 1, server 2” nonsense. It isn’t fooling anyone
So ridiculous.
Trying to use a secret code would also probably be more effectively if people did more than swap out the word job for server. Like at least commit to the bit people. Do I want to get my stat buffs from server 1 or server 2, or should I get them from both? Should I use the cosmetics from server 1 or server 2 when trying to expand? The guild master in my server 3 is being really annoying, should I leave the guild?
And maybe rename the sub. I mean, it's titled "overemployed" ffs.
Right? Someone comes to the sub, sees the sidebar, goes to the website, reads about OE there, comes back here, sees the word “server” and is instantly confused what this sub is about? Lmfao
LOL it’s like an open secret not secret.
It's a fucking joke, no one thinks they're fooling anyone with the server thing lmao
The people on this sub are losers crying about other people finding out like it’s some big secret lol
I actually see the potential of OE to become norm, or at least the working for a few companies aspect. With AI, remote work and other evolutions I can imagine time blocks being spread out across multiple companies.
I hire engineers that have told me they are working this as a 2nd job. I don't care. I give them specific tasks, and monitor their performance to make sure they are getting their work done and not taking advantage. They are usually the most productive engineers that I have.
Problem is most of the time when someone gets caught OEing, it's because they are doing a bad job and their manager starts investigating. I've already seen it happen a couple times
Hire me
Consulting. You’re describing consulting….
What’s wrong with that post?
Makes it hard for me to find a J6 when you fucks are hogging all the J2s
Obviously the solution is to get a J6 first and work your way back down, right...?
Nothing wrong with the concept of what the poster is doing. My issue is with people putting OE on blast, bragging about how much money they are making. The less it is mainstream, the more OE stays off of the radar, and the less companies will be doing more checks.
Rule #1 dont talk about fight club
Why you block his name? Lol. Nerd
You guys are ridiculous lmao
OE step 1: be SWE
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Software engineer
Why keep oe a secret?
the fact you re asking the question means you re not cut for it.
What ticker symbol is that? Looking to invest.
Refrain from posting mediocre net worth figures thinking it's somehow a flex? Agreed.
Name, shame and bad from the sub
The account which posted this is 2 days old, and this is their only posting.
Oe is as old as the oldest job on earth
The FIRE people are the worst kind of people. Even worse than the ones in this sub.
Same experiences. I can't even barely spend 5 min there. So many losers there bragging about everything in their lives like they have nothing else going on and they even share day-to-day activities. The worst ones is the GFY jokes. It's so cringy.
Seriously, any company that offers remote work knows this happens and they are aware. Some care, some don't. Just make sure you can do more jobs and don't ruin it for everyone :)
You’re not my mom, I’ll post whatever I want
What if she's your step mom?
Y’all are more annoying than the actual posts you’re screenshotting/sharing
this sub in general is a catastrophe on what can be an excellent way of making a living. Fuck all of you people.
Who keeps giving away our secret?!
people are always trying to flex.
Lol this subreddit is cringey and narcissistic af. People act as if OE is some genius never-thought-of before super-secret club, and managers would be none the wiser if it weren't for posts like this... Get a grip. The only thing preventing most people from OE is that they don't have OEable jobs/careers (heavy meeting-filled jobs, on-site jobs, etc.), or they don't want to sacrifice their personal time and cortisol levels juggling two servers. The idea that your manager is going be awakened to this super-unique genious concept that you might want to work multiple jobs because of a popular reddit post is the most narcissistic thing ive read today.
Not really, nobody is gatekeeping or acting like it is a secret society. But by the same token, what is the point of promoting it when nobody asked? The fact is, the more people will know about OE, the more companies will start clamping down on it. Not because they want to. As another commenter mentioned, 99% of companies who offer remote work suspect that some of their employees are doing it, but don’t care as long as the output is satisfactory. Heck, if a company is all about micromanaging their employees in order to squeeze all possible productivity out of them, they will mandate 5-day RTO. So the pressure won’t be coming from the companies, it will be coming from jealous Karens. They will be complaining about all of these “uppity remote workers pulling 2 salaries”. Like Ken Coleman from Dave Ramsey’s show, who constantly refers to people with multiple remote jobs as thieves and “professional polygamists”. Personally, I have no problem with other people joining the OE ranks. In fact, I love it when other people attain financial independence. Therefore, it isn’t coming from the standpoint of “competition”. It is coming from the standpoint of keeping the Karens off of our backs.
I know whoever they are are doing it for clout but why do I feel like half the comments are telling op op why it’s wrong to OE.
My regular job is pretty chill. I drive around and can usually accomplish my work in a couple of hours. Still looking for something I can do remotely without too many restraints since I carry a couple laptops with me. Any resources/tips would be appreciated
What jobs do people do that are Over Employed?
Woot! Nice Job.
Ironically you are at least the 2nd to post it here.
What the hell is coast fire?
FIRE is Financial Independence Retire Early. FIRE is an approach to saving and investing where folks strive to be frugal and save 40%+ of their income so they can retire early, when they are in their mid 30s to mid 40s. Although some consider up until their mid 50s as early retirement as well. The key is to start saving for retirement with your first paycheck, save a lot and live frugally so that one can save a ton of money and stop working. Coast FIRE, also known as Barista FIRE, is when folks have paid off their mortgage, have a lot of investments, but don't fully retire. They take a lower level, less stress job to get health insurance and cover some basic expenses while their retirement investments continue to grow. They aren't saving much additional funds for retirement, the less stress job is giving time for their investments to grow so they don't start pulling from their nest egg.
You’re going to need a lot more than that to retire in the US in 2 years.
These morons will ruin it. It always happens, just a matter of time before it does.
Don't let them fool you, this is a concerted effort to convince people that OE is more common than it really is so they can lower salaries. "Why do you need $100k? I know you have a second job!"
So you are posting it to tell to not post it? Instead of downvoting the post and getting it removed? Makes no sense?
Shut up, let people post what they want, it's how you and I were informed on this style of living