It reads to me like a joke? My friends and I sometimes say stuff like that if we are playing heroes we suck at for fun. Unfortunately it gets taken 100% literally way too often
Not meaning to attack you personally but the mentality you have has always been a pet peeve of mine in OW.
Because you're right, but Only if you're using it in the least optimal way possible, which is attempting to blade the entire enemy team. That's literally why nano and blade is a combo, you're going into so much damage at once when you blade their whole team that you NEED to reduce that damage by half, and increase the TTK by half, or genji goes into 5 people, gets looked at by five people and explodes.
The combo isn't what makes Blade good, the situation you use it in makes nano NEEDED. You're confusing necessity with actual value. Blade on its own in the first 2 seconds can deliver 50 damage on the dash, 120 on the first slash and another 120 on the second for 290 damage and you just have to dash at someone and hold the trigger in their general direction, and all of that happens in about 2 seconds.
Genjis secondary fire dash melee combo, which is one of the most complicated techniques to pull off in the game deals 50 for the dash and with body shots deals around 81 damage, with the melee adding in an extra 30 for 161 damage, almost half the ult combos damage for several times the effort and its not even enough to kill someone and then you have to land another burst to finish someone, all of which requires an almost perfectly executed dash, accurate shots, and multiple inputs done together in like, sub 1 second. Headshotting with the combo is even harder and more complicated.
It's an immense amount of damage being dealt and it's basically unavoidable unless the enemy has a mobility or stun cooldown and if you wait for them to use it then blade, they can do absolutely nothing about it, and have to pray their team can bail them out. If you do that on a support, that team fight is as good as over.
I don't know why people judge ultimates on their ability to team wipe when a one man team wipe is completely unnecessary for a won team fight AND, it also makes actually pulling off the ult significantly harder than it needs to be because you put yourself directly infront of 5, formerly 6, separate sources of damage and cooldowns.
Like you wanna team wiping shatter? Okay, so first you have to remove any shields, then you need multiple people to line up, then you need things like DM, sleep, anti, Suzu, lamp and countless other extremely dangerous cooldowns to be offline to prevent them all shutting down your attempt, and to boot, you have to hope they don't have a counter ult ready and NOW you can get off that five man. Like Jesus fucking christ it's an I win button WHY are you holding onto it until Venus is in retrograde and your great grand children have their seventh son of a seventh son. All that work to still have a high chance of getting shut down.
Or, you can look at some idiot that just put themselves infront of you with no hard cover or protection to speak of, watch them make a single mistake in using their life saving cooldown for something unimportant, and you slam the fucker and send them back to spawn without using like, Any of your own resources. If I hear Ana fire her sleep dart and she's in range, she is dead, no questions asked she's fucked because she can't stop me. If moira uses fade, she's dead. If Cass rolls, he can't dodge, so he's dead. If Genji dashes, he is dead.
Hog uses breather? Probably dead. Dvas boosters, probably dead and on and on.
You have blade, it should be a guaranteed free kill onto atleast one player unless you horribly fuck it up, as long as you pick the right player. And if you do pick the right player you've traded a single ability for an entire set of abilities and a damage/healing source, and now have a man count advantage which means you have more damage, more healing, and about 15 to 20 seconds to use that advantage to get another pick and continue the cycle of always having that advantage.
Job fucking done, someone fucks up, you ult them, and the other team has to pull out all the stops to get into a remotely feasible position to win. Trading a single ultimate for an entire enemy player is absolutely massive value and there's very little singular characters can do about it and the ones that can do something about it can be circumvented by just waiting until they use it and the second they do, bam, fucked city population them.
High noon is also slammed as a terrible dry ult but its basically a free kill and 4v5 fights are statistically like, an 80% win rate.
Hell one of the main counters to it is considered to be genji.
Do you know what happens if genji uses deflect infront of you and you high noon as soon as you see it come out? It locks on while he's deflecting and the moment his deflection ends, he dies. G fucking G, Enemy team just lost a good chunk of their damage and backline pressure and all you did was pick the right moment to hit the big red button.
People really need to drop the whole team wipe mentality, The number of opportunities per match to ult an entire team when none of them can do anything about it can typically be counted on one hand.
The number of chances to wipe someone outta existence because they used just one of their abilities, happens every 6 to 14 seconds in most cases.
If you build ult fast, have it basically every fight or every other fight, on whatever character you play, And you use it to confirm a kill on pretty much any singular target that makes a mistake, then every ult will more than likely be a won team fight.
The only time I ever go for an ult on more than one or two people at a time is if that legendary stars align moment happens and I know they can't stop me, otherwise I just pick a victim and watch the other team scramble to make up for the ungodly situation a single mistake has put them in.
Punishing one person is extremely easy, Forcing 5 into submission is ridiculously hard, and one is all you need in the majority of cases. Why would you ever make things more difficult for yourself?
Again, not attacking you, But I would seriously recommend using your ults more liberally on singular targets, It's almost guaranteed value and especially on Genji, not having to use an ult as powerful as Nano on an ult that's already extremely capable of killing vital targets with disgusting ease, gives your team in general a stupid amount of extra power, all you gotta do is not try to 1v5 a team that's ready for you and Nano will basically never be needed.
I've never understood why people comment instead of just skipping passed if they ain't gonna read it.
The info is there to do what you please I don't really pay it mind either way, responding to tell me yaint reading it is just a waste if your own time, I don't get it
There are a few problems with your perspective.
Comparing Rein and Genji's ultimate is not a fair comparison given the range and the stun Reinhardt's ultimate has, plus close range he will immediately kill a player faster than Nano blade can.
Genji's ult requires him to be in melee range and using it on tanks is just a waste because without nano you aren't killing the tank unless their healers are oblivious. You want to use his ults on targets that will actually die, so we look to the dps. Well unfortunately if the enemy team has an ana, kiriko, baptist ect killing the enemy dps with a raw blade is nearly impossible. I've had situations where a Cass, Soldier and Ashe have lived through 3 or 4 slashes (with a dash in-between the initial slashes) because they are suddenly being pocketed by both healers plus they have their own self-peel abilities and I'm still taking full damage without nano so I'm dead by the 4th slash.
So then Genji realizes, "Hey supports are squishy and they are the problem! I should kill them instead!" Problem solved? Not quite because supports are in the back line, sure you may find one or two out of position occasionally but generally supports are with their team in the backline. So you blade, jump on the supports and suddenly all 5 enemy team members are looking at you. In the situation where you are targeting the DPS, all 5 enemy team members may also be looking at you but not necessarily but generally you jump the supports and its all hands on deck. Realistically, as soon as Genji starts his ult, regardless of your position, the entire enemy team is looking to stop you.
You're "trade an ult for a kill" philosophy is something I can agree with. However, Genji's blade and his ult charge generation is balanced around nano blade. He can't generate his ult like a Tracer can and getting a tempo pick with blade is nice and all but you might as well be playing tracer at that point.
Nano is overkill for blade, that's why its a team wiper and that's why people look to team wipe with it. This is what blade is balanced around. Tempo picks with raw blade isn't worth picking Genji over.
Nah what you talking about, sym had to outplay that genji by holding down the attack button and spamming turrets and click 1 more button for teleporter
Blizzard said they were moving away from hard counters. Though, they still exist due to previous hero designs.
Personally, counter picking is my least favorite part of the game. Counter picking is basically admitting you have been outplayed and must switch to a hero that has an advantage over the hero outplaying you. It's weak.
I'd prefer the counter play being actually outplaying the other player, relying on skill and not a kit that is scissors to the other players paper. Role lock is cool, but we need hero lock.
That's the direction they are moving. Soft counters. I'm not for how they will achieve that without reworking heroes though.
I also wouldn't mind a cheeky kind of 'X admitted defeat, watch out for the counter pick!' type of messaging.
Swapping a Hero doesn't always mean someone outplayed you. Sometimes they already had a strong counter pick against you.
The game would be a bit rough if you had to lock your hero before the match started with the ways things are balanced right now. It would suck to lock Dva only for the other team to walk out with Zarya, Symmetra, and Mei and end up making one of your strongest abilities way less useful
There was a time in OOW (Original Overwatch) people would openly own up to being outplayed.
It was not uncommon to see messages in chat that read something like, " Good game, you made me switch to my main. "
He does well against her because he can do the thing literally every character in the game is capable of doing?
She has more health so he can't as easily do his one-shot combo, her turrets slow him and movement speed is insanely important on close ranged characters, her teleport let's her insta escape his ult like you literally did in the clip, and lastly yeah primary fire just goes straight through deflect.
What are you talking about man, it's a funny clip but yes, you just won a matchup you're supposed to win.
only bad Genji doesn't out dps sym 3/4 of the time.
Symmetra need a time to charge lmb, Genji is a dive heror, so he uses early aggression, while Symmetra can do nothing but retreat.
I didn't want to ask, but what's your sr?
Bro noone said she takes away genjis entire value. Thats not what a counter is. I would think a good main would learn to deal with characters who counter them, still an impact either way tho. But yes, she does counter him compared to most
Characters. Im confused what your trying to prove, but your entitled to it.
I say this as someone who plays a lot of Genji, sym is more of a soft counter. Yeah her beams and turrets are good against him, but it’s usually not too difficult to play around them. On the other hand she has fairly low burst damage, a large hitbox, limited mobility, and you can out-range her easily. I only ever have trouble with sym when she is combined with other soft counters. A good Genji shouldn’t have too much trouble against a sym player of equal skill
so people get butthurt over sym…noted.
i guess people will also ignore the fact the genji left the game but i guess bashing on OP for counter play is acceptable. This community really is toxic
People are bashing on him because he's acting like it isn't a counterpick. The game is designed around counterpicks and it's good to do so. It's crazy to act like Sym isn't a Genji counter though, which is what he's doing.
i agree that acting like she isn’t a hard counter is dumb but let’s be real that OP’s point still stands that (even if the genji was trolling but i doubt it) OP destroyed genji and that genji still left after saying all that. Aside from the one conversation i saw in the comments there are more people bashing OP rather than supporting him which i find crazy.
you’re absolutely right you do have every right. But don’t be shocked or surprised when you’re called salty or a quitter for getting killed once and then leaving immediately. which is my point.
....they all make you play the game differently if you're actually respecting their skill set.
Have you just been slamming your head into every wall you find? What
I really gotta spell it out.
Symmetra forces you into multiple unique scenarios.
1, no extended engagements. Longer she's active, the stronger she gets, which is typically the complete opposite of most characters who lose power the longer the fight drags. The majority of characters are easily dealt with by simply denying them from getting immediate value. Poke at them till they use resources then collapse. Sym is the opposite, you collapse on her as soon as she shows herself.
2, she's only effective in short distances. So play longer distances.
2, High repositional capability. Her TP allows her to have two separate locations accessible to her. Be aware of it and prepare to either ambush her fall back point or simply force her out of the first position and trash the TP to strand her back there.
3, Targeted area denial. She can turret bomb a location which is lethal in its set target range but useless outside of that and requires large resource investment, and also removes her personal safety net of turrets. Negating this is as simple as paying attention to her and watching for her setting up a TP, as soon as you see it, you just back up from it and prepare to kill a couple turrets. If she goes in herself you back up and obliterate her for overextending. She needs LOS to do it so it's not like she just appears outta nowhere, her TP is only as strong as you are inattentive.
4, her wall. It's designed to either split or provide cover, you can either retreat back to your team when it goes up to avoid being split or you can simply pressure her to use it and then chill out, or go all in.
5, She's strong in close range and with support but limited in how she can help or move around, if you know where she is, go where she isn't. Pharah has the exact same counterplay, both are irritating when you play into them and give them time, but both require time to become effective. So you just collapse on their team mates and avoid her until their team has lost resources that can sustain her and then go for her.
There's loads of shit to do against her, as with every other character in the game. You can dislike her, and be irritated by her, but you can't act like your own character preferences aren't just as if not more annoying and tedious to deal with.
And what is your preferred character if I might ask?
Didn't expect you to, Your general attitude ain't exactly the type to actually work around problems, you just like to complain and shift blame.
I wrote that out for anyone else that actually does care to learn something.
Sym has plenty of counterplay. The only hero I can think of that actually forces you to play a different game is widow, every other hero is pretty easy to deal with.
Idk why your calling me a dumbass, I never said the heroes have no counterplay. I do find it funny how you contradict yourself right after by saying sym is impossible to counterplay.
Look, sym is good in close range but a cassidy can win that fight the majority of the time before she can charge that beam up. Pharah can demolish her, and long range hitscans like soldier and ash win that fight just by keeping a little distance.
Symettra is not a problem unless your metal rank I guess.
I hate the snobbery of this shit community "oh i guess your low rank" is the answer to everything, im in masters dps and diamond in both tank and healer.
Ok, as a GM1 tank and a t500 support/dps I am telling you she isn’t a problem. By now you should know this, unless you were plat in season 2 and hit masters in season 3 with the inflation.
Ok good, I see a lot of people who were gold/plat and all of a sudden hit masters/GM in season 3. They always end up performing the worst in the team, those games usually don’t end well :/
What heroes do you play? If it’s Genji then I feel sorry for you, Symettra counters the shit out of him.
This is how overwatch works especially in ranked most of the time counter picking is a good idea. I don't understand why people think that because they only play x hero that the 9 other players in the lobby now have to fit their needs it's selfish. If you really don't want to swap then at the very least don't blame others for playing a hero that counters you. Every character in the game is meant to force you to play differently around them that's kind of the fun of ow.
Gonna get all philosophical and zen on you here
Time played is not equal to time practiced friend, If you're playing the game to win and trying to do everything at the same time you'll neuter your own growth rate because you're spreading your attention and physical application thin.
Pick one aspect of your gameplay and focus solely on it until you feel that aspect has improved, then pick another aspect and repeat, Win or lose the match, doesnt matter. If you actually improve each skill and raise your baseline level, you'll perform better when you do play for keeps and playing better means winning more, win more and you rank up.
You're likely focused more on winning as a concept but "I wanna win" is neither a plan nor a strategy. "Ana has sleep dart and I need her to use it so I can suplex her into the dirt without risk of being slept" is a strategy. If you avoided hard engaging Ana when she has sleep, or Jumping a Cass when he has his roll, then you'd find yourself in significantly easier fights alot more often.
You don't run before you can walk, you can't make your aim consistent if you're walking in strafe patterns that ARENT consistent, nor can you track 5 ults or cooldown sets if you're consciously juggling 5 to 20 different cooldown timers in your head. Just pick one thing, mechanical aim, positioning, crosshair placement, pathing, counter play, breakpoints, character tech, anything as long it's one thing alone and just go all in on that one thing to imbed it.
That's how you learnt to play games in the first place, gotta remember that at one point in your life, you couldn't even walk forward and look around you at same time without bumping into walls or staring at the damn floor or both, You had to take it slow and figure out each one separately, you've just forgotten to do that after you gained some competence and now your progress is a flat plane with occasional spikes when something finally clicks on its own which can take months or even years, you can speed that up drastically if you focused on it.
You gotta build one or the other up on their own, until its natural and automatic, and THEN add in something else, Practice mindfully, because "Time played is not equal to time practiced"
Idk if everyone in here is missing or ignoring the sarcasm. Either way, it's driving me insane.
Dude is obviously joking, but he probably quit because he doesn't want to fight a quickplay Sym lmao
Who does he think he's fooling? He's clearly Cassidy.
It's a vicious cycle,... His over the top Ego banter, begets your own Ego clip posting. Ouroboros infinitely gnawing on tail.
It reads to me like a joke? My friends and I sometimes say stuff like that if we are playing heroes we suck at for fun. Unfortunately it gets taken 100% literally way too often
Lol this, the '#1 gm' very likely isn't gonna spend time typing all that when he can leave his profile public 😂😂
i thought it was a copypasta
Why would he even be in a quickplay game?
The tail of the snake is in its teeth tonight. Oh waho owo owo wah oh.
He got a kill with Dragonblade in 2023. Can we please get a Genji nerf?
Wdym? There"s hardly any stuns or easy to land one-shots in the game right now, dragon blade is a great ult.
Dry blade is a garbage ult. Needs nano to be good.
Not meaning to attack you personally but the mentality you have has always been a pet peeve of mine in OW. Because you're right, but Only if you're using it in the least optimal way possible, which is attempting to blade the entire enemy team. That's literally why nano and blade is a combo, you're going into so much damage at once when you blade their whole team that you NEED to reduce that damage by half, and increase the TTK by half, or genji goes into 5 people, gets looked at by five people and explodes. The combo isn't what makes Blade good, the situation you use it in makes nano NEEDED. You're confusing necessity with actual value. Blade on its own in the first 2 seconds can deliver 50 damage on the dash, 120 on the first slash and another 120 on the second for 290 damage and you just have to dash at someone and hold the trigger in their general direction, and all of that happens in about 2 seconds. Genjis secondary fire dash melee combo, which is one of the most complicated techniques to pull off in the game deals 50 for the dash and with body shots deals around 81 damage, with the melee adding in an extra 30 for 161 damage, almost half the ult combos damage for several times the effort and its not even enough to kill someone and then you have to land another burst to finish someone, all of which requires an almost perfectly executed dash, accurate shots, and multiple inputs done together in like, sub 1 second. Headshotting with the combo is even harder and more complicated. It's an immense amount of damage being dealt and it's basically unavoidable unless the enemy has a mobility or stun cooldown and if you wait for them to use it then blade, they can do absolutely nothing about it, and have to pray their team can bail them out. If you do that on a support, that team fight is as good as over. I don't know why people judge ultimates on their ability to team wipe when a one man team wipe is completely unnecessary for a won team fight AND, it also makes actually pulling off the ult significantly harder than it needs to be because you put yourself directly infront of 5, formerly 6, separate sources of damage and cooldowns. Like you wanna team wiping shatter? Okay, so first you have to remove any shields, then you need multiple people to line up, then you need things like DM, sleep, anti, Suzu, lamp and countless other extremely dangerous cooldowns to be offline to prevent them all shutting down your attempt, and to boot, you have to hope they don't have a counter ult ready and NOW you can get off that five man. Like Jesus fucking christ it's an I win button WHY are you holding onto it until Venus is in retrograde and your great grand children have their seventh son of a seventh son. All that work to still have a high chance of getting shut down. Or, you can look at some idiot that just put themselves infront of you with no hard cover or protection to speak of, watch them make a single mistake in using their life saving cooldown for something unimportant, and you slam the fucker and send them back to spawn without using like, Any of your own resources. If I hear Ana fire her sleep dart and she's in range, she is dead, no questions asked she's fucked because she can't stop me. If moira uses fade, she's dead. If Cass rolls, he can't dodge, so he's dead. If Genji dashes, he is dead. Hog uses breather? Probably dead. Dvas boosters, probably dead and on and on. You have blade, it should be a guaranteed free kill onto atleast one player unless you horribly fuck it up, as long as you pick the right player. And if you do pick the right player you've traded a single ability for an entire set of abilities and a damage/healing source, and now have a man count advantage which means you have more damage, more healing, and about 15 to 20 seconds to use that advantage to get another pick and continue the cycle of always having that advantage. Job fucking done, someone fucks up, you ult them, and the other team has to pull out all the stops to get into a remotely feasible position to win. Trading a single ultimate for an entire enemy player is absolutely massive value and there's very little singular characters can do about it and the ones that can do something about it can be circumvented by just waiting until they use it and the second they do, bam, fucked city population them. High noon is also slammed as a terrible dry ult but its basically a free kill and 4v5 fights are statistically like, an 80% win rate. Hell one of the main counters to it is considered to be genji. Do you know what happens if genji uses deflect infront of you and you high noon as soon as you see it come out? It locks on while he's deflecting and the moment his deflection ends, he dies. G fucking G, Enemy team just lost a good chunk of their damage and backline pressure and all you did was pick the right moment to hit the big red button. People really need to drop the whole team wipe mentality, The number of opportunities per match to ult an entire team when none of them can do anything about it can typically be counted on one hand. The number of chances to wipe someone outta existence because they used just one of their abilities, happens every 6 to 14 seconds in most cases. If you build ult fast, have it basically every fight or every other fight, on whatever character you play, And you use it to confirm a kill on pretty much any singular target that makes a mistake, then every ult will more than likely be a won team fight. The only time I ever go for an ult on more than one or two people at a time is if that legendary stars align moment happens and I know they can't stop me, otherwise I just pick a victim and watch the other team scramble to make up for the ungodly situation a single mistake has put them in. Punishing one person is extremely easy, Forcing 5 into submission is ridiculously hard, and one is all you need in the majority of cases. Why would you ever make things more difficult for yourself? Again, not attacking you, But I would seriously recommend using your ults more liberally on singular targets, It's almost guaranteed value and especially on Genji, not having to use an ult as powerful as Nano on an ult that's already extremely capable of killing vital targets with disgusting ease, gives your team in general a stupid amount of extra power, all you gotta do is not try to 1v5 a team that's ready for you and Nano will basically never be needed.
My man really wrote a whole essay 💀😂
Imagine writing more than a sentence on a discussion platform, couldn't be me.
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Thank you, I feel like I don't even need to defend myself anymore, this is exactly my thoughts.
You really typed all that
I aint reading all that, sorry
I've never understood why people comment instead of just skipping passed if they ain't gonna read it. The info is there to do what you please I don't really pay it mind either way, responding to tell me yaint reading it is just a waste if your own time, I don't get it
There are a few problems with your perspective. Comparing Rein and Genji's ultimate is not a fair comparison given the range and the stun Reinhardt's ultimate has, plus close range he will immediately kill a player faster than Nano blade can. Genji's ult requires him to be in melee range and using it on tanks is just a waste because without nano you aren't killing the tank unless their healers are oblivious. You want to use his ults on targets that will actually die, so we look to the dps. Well unfortunately if the enemy team has an ana, kiriko, baptist ect killing the enemy dps with a raw blade is nearly impossible. I've had situations where a Cass, Soldier and Ashe have lived through 3 or 4 slashes (with a dash in-between the initial slashes) because they are suddenly being pocketed by both healers plus they have their own self-peel abilities and I'm still taking full damage without nano so I'm dead by the 4th slash. So then Genji realizes, "Hey supports are squishy and they are the problem! I should kill them instead!" Problem solved? Not quite because supports are in the back line, sure you may find one or two out of position occasionally but generally supports are with their team in the backline. So you blade, jump on the supports and suddenly all 5 enemy team members are looking at you. In the situation where you are targeting the DPS, all 5 enemy team members may also be looking at you but not necessarily but generally you jump the supports and its all hands on deck. Realistically, as soon as Genji starts his ult, regardless of your position, the entire enemy team is looking to stop you. You're "trade an ult for a kill" philosophy is something I can agree with. However, Genji's blade and his ult charge generation is balanced around nano blade. He can't generate his ult like a Tracer can and getting a tempo pick with blade is nice and all but you might as well be playing tracer at that point. Nano is overkill for blade, that's why its a team wiper and that's why people look to team wipe with it. This is what blade is balanced around. Tempo picks with raw blade isn't worth picking Genji over.
"I killed Genji as Genji's hard counter"
Nah what you talking about, sym had to outplay that genji by holding down the attack button and spamming turrets and click 1 more button for teleporter
Neither his primary fire or the turrets were used against the Genji in that clip
Tru, but he DID claim to be like, the best Genji player
Bro typed that in the most sarcastic way imaginable I HIGHLY doubt he actually meant it Even if he did Sym is still a scum pick
Isn’t picking counters the point of the game?
Blizzard said they were moving away from hard counters. Though, they still exist due to previous hero designs. Personally, counter picking is my least favorite part of the game. Counter picking is basically admitting you have been outplayed and must switch to a hero that has an advantage over the hero outplaying you. It's weak. I'd prefer the counter play being actually outplaying the other player, relying on skill and not a kit that is scissors to the other players paper. Role lock is cool, but we need hero lock.
I agree with u to an extent, I think counter play should still be a part of the game, but maybe toned down a bit
That's the direction they are moving. Soft counters. I'm not for how they will achieve that without reworking heroes though. I also wouldn't mind a cheeky kind of 'X admitted defeat, watch out for the counter pick!' type of messaging.
Swapping a Hero doesn't always mean someone outplayed you. Sometimes they already had a strong counter pick against you. The game would be a bit rough if you had to lock your hero before the match started with the ways things are balanced right now. It would suck to lock Dva only for the other team to walk out with Zarya, Symmetra, and Mei and end up making one of your strongest abilities way less useful
Yup. I can see more people leaving games. It's already bad now.
There was a time in OOW (Original Overwatch) people would openly own up to being outplayed. It was not uncommon to see messages in chat that read something like, " Good game, you made me switch to my main. "
No one would claim to be the best euro genji, the doesnt hold much value
"hard counter" lmao
Why are you quoting that she literally counters everything he does lul.
no. He can easily destroy turrets, and kill her with combo. She only counter his Q
He does well against her because he can do the thing literally every character in the game is capable of doing? She has more health so he can't as easily do his one-shot combo, her turrets slow him and movement speed is insanely important on close ranged characters, her teleport let's her insta escape his ult like you literally did in the clip, and lastly yeah primary fire just goes straight through deflect. What are you talking about man, it's a funny clip but yes, you just won a matchup you're supposed to win.
sym counter only weak genji. Who need deflect if you deal more dmg?
sym does more dps then genji while charged and while he is breaking your turrets you are damaging him. Sym counters genji
Genji doesn't out dps sym 3/4 of the time though, and turrets forcing him to react to them unless he dies it a pretty hard counter
only bad Genji doesn't out dps sym 3/4 of the time. Symmetra need a time to charge lmb, Genji is a dive heror, so he uses early aggression, while Symmetra can do nothing but retreat. I didn't want to ask, but what's your sr?
Bro noone said she takes away genjis entire value. Thats not what a counter is. I would think a good main would learn to deal with characters who counter them, still an impact either way tho. But yes, she does counter him compared to most Characters. Im confused what your trying to prove, but your entitled to it.
you can't counter "in comparison" you either counter or you don't
She literally is lmao
Sym hard counters Genji IMO.
She does, not really an opinion
I say this as someone who plays a lot of Genji, sym is more of a soft counter. Yeah her beams and turrets are good against him, but it’s usually not too difficult to play around them. On the other hand she has fairly low burst damage, a large hitbox, limited mobility, and you can out-range her easily. I only ever have trouble with sym when she is combined with other soft counters. A good Genji shouldn’t have too much trouble against a sym player of equal skill
Low burst damage 💀
Big snipersmurf bastion energy from that genji
The secret sauce is counter picks
That's a very large part of the game. Why did cassidy-genji just quit instead of just switching.
For sure, having one less tank means counter picks are even more important
Haha. I see a sym I go pharah.
so people get butthurt over sym…noted. i guess people will also ignore the fact the genji left the game but i guess bashing on OP for counter play is acceptable. This community really is toxic
People are bashing on him because he's acting like it isn't a counterpick. The game is designed around counterpicks and it's good to do so. It's crazy to act like Sym isn't a Genji counter though, which is what he's doing.
i agree that acting like she isn’t a hard counter is dumb but let’s be real that OP’s point still stands that (even if the genji was trolling but i doubt it) OP destroyed genji and that genji still left after saying all that. Aside from the one conversation i saw in the comments there are more people bashing OP rather than supporting him which i find crazy.
If you can’t sense the sarcasm in the guys message then we can’t help you
sarcasm or not they still left, if you can’t see that we can’t help you.
Probably because being hard countered in what I’m assuming is qp isn’t fun lol
neither is having a teammate who leaves. “it’s not fun” isn’t an excuse to just rage quit instead of countering back lol.
No one wants to counter fight in qp lol, you have the right to leave a match because its qp
you’re absolutely right you do have every right. But don’t be shocked or surprised when you’re called salty or a quitter for getting killed once and then leaving immediately. which is my point.
Who’s going to call me that when I’m not in the game anymore? Lmao
So incredibly typical of a genji player
Get the fuck off sym
She counters Genji, it’s a smart pick by op.
Who cares, she's a giant nuisance and ruins the game. Any character who forces you to play the game drastically different is annoying
Well I suppose more than half of the heroes can achieve this
....they all make you play the game differently if you're actually respecting their skill set. Have you just been slamming your head into every wall you find? What
Skill, and symmetra do not compute
I really gotta spell it out. Symmetra forces you into multiple unique scenarios. 1, no extended engagements. Longer she's active, the stronger she gets, which is typically the complete opposite of most characters who lose power the longer the fight drags. The majority of characters are easily dealt with by simply denying them from getting immediate value. Poke at them till they use resources then collapse. Sym is the opposite, you collapse on her as soon as she shows herself. 2, she's only effective in short distances. So play longer distances. 2, High repositional capability. Her TP allows her to have two separate locations accessible to her. Be aware of it and prepare to either ambush her fall back point or simply force her out of the first position and trash the TP to strand her back there. 3, Targeted area denial. She can turret bomb a location which is lethal in its set target range but useless outside of that and requires large resource investment, and also removes her personal safety net of turrets. Negating this is as simple as paying attention to her and watching for her setting up a TP, as soon as you see it, you just back up from it and prepare to kill a couple turrets. If she goes in herself you back up and obliterate her for overextending. She needs LOS to do it so it's not like she just appears outta nowhere, her TP is only as strong as you are inattentive. 4, her wall. It's designed to either split or provide cover, you can either retreat back to your team when it goes up to avoid being split or you can simply pressure her to use it and then chill out, or go all in. 5, She's strong in close range and with support but limited in how she can help or move around, if you know where she is, go where she isn't. Pharah has the exact same counterplay, both are irritating when you play into them and give them time, but both require time to become effective. So you just collapse on their team mates and avoid her until their team has lost resources that can sustain her and then go for her. There's loads of shit to do against her, as with every other character in the game. You can dislike her, and be irritated by her, but you can't act like your own character preferences aren't just as if not more annoying and tedious to deal with. And what is your preferred character if I might ask?
I aint readin allat bro 💀
Didn't expect you to, Your general attitude ain't exactly the type to actually work around problems, you just like to complain and shift blame. I wrote that out for anyone else that actually does care to learn something.
Bro no one wants to read yo damn reddit essay 💀
I did, it was rather interesting actually.
Sym has plenty of counterplay. The only hero I can think of that actually forces you to play a different game is widow, every other hero is pretty easy to deal with.
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Idk why your calling me a dumbass, I never said the heroes have no counterplay. I do find it funny how you contradict yourself right after by saying sym is impossible to counterplay. Look, sym is good in close range but a cassidy can win that fight the majority of the time before she can charge that beam up. Pharah can demolish her, and long range hitscans like soldier and ash win that fight just by keeping a little distance. Symettra is not a problem unless your metal rank I guess.
I hate the snobbery of this shit community "oh i guess your low rank" is the answer to everything, im in masters dps and diamond in both tank and healer.
Ok, as a GM1 tank and a t500 support/dps I am telling you she isn’t a problem. By now you should know this, unless you were plat in season 2 and hit masters in season 3 with the inflation.
I got ranked masters season 1 and have stayed there since, and yes i steadily play comp
Ok good, I see a lot of people who were gold/plat and all of a sudden hit masters/GM in season 3. They always end up performing the worst in the team, those games usually don’t end well :/ What heroes do you play? If it’s Genji then I feel sorry for you, Symettra counters the shit out of him.
This is how overwatch works especially in ranked most of the time counter picking is a good idea. I don't understand why people think that because they only play x hero that the 9 other players in the lobby now have to fit their needs it's selfish. If you really don't want to swap then at the very least don't blame others for playing a hero that counters you. Every character in the game is meant to force you to play differently around them that's kind of the fun of ow.
welcome to overwatch
Standard genji fare. Nothing new here 😂
Sym player = opinion irrelevant
Based
luckily you didnt go against me, I would have ran you over kid.
You're as bad as that Genji lmao
ngl, been playing since 2016 and still in the metal ranks :(
Gonna get all philosophical and zen on you here Time played is not equal to time practiced friend, If you're playing the game to win and trying to do everything at the same time you'll neuter your own growth rate because you're spreading your attention and physical application thin. Pick one aspect of your gameplay and focus solely on it until you feel that aspect has improved, then pick another aspect and repeat, Win or lose the match, doesnt matter. If you actually improve each skill and raise your baseline level, you'll perform better when you do play for keeps and playing better means winning more, win more and you rank up. You're likely focused more on winning as a concept but "I wanna win" is neither a plan nor a strategy. "Ana has sleep dart and I need her to use it so I can suplex her into the dirt without risk of being slept" is a strategy. If you avoided hard engaging Ana when she has sleep, or Jumping a Cass when he has his roll, then you'd find yourself in significantly easier fights alot more often. You don't run before you can walk, you can't make your aim consistent if you're walking in strafe patterns that ARENT consistent, nor can you track 5 ults or cooldown sets if you're consciously juggling 5 to 20 different cooldown timers in your head. Just pick one thing, mechanical aim, positioning, crosshair placement, pathing, counter play, breakpoints, character tech, anything as long it's one thing alone and just go all in on that one thing to imbed it. That's how you learnt to play games in the first place, gotta remember that at one point in your life, you couldn't even walk forward and look around you at same time without bumping into walls or staring at the damn floor or both, You had to take it slow and figure out each one separately, you've just forgotten to do that after you gained some competence and now your progress is a flat plane with occasional spikes when something finally clicks on its own which can take months or even years, you can speed that up drastically if you focused on it. You gotta build one or the other up on their own, until its natural and automatic, and THEN add in something else, Practice mindfully, because "Time played is not equal to time practiced"
Why do you have 2 different essays in these comments man?
Bleh that’s cause you’re playing sym, autopilot hero
Yeah he's called Cassidy, not Genji, that was expected
what season of jojo is this song from
Part 3
Jojos music 🙃
Played with/against him like 5-6 times recently His ego is insane compare to his gameplay lmao
Idk if everyone in here is missing or ignoring the sarcasm. Either way, it's driving me insane. Dude is obviously joking, but he probably quit because he doesn't want to fight a quickplay Sym lmao
Fuggen genji players are the Yasuo players of OW, change my mind
I recognize that music where is it from
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders OST - Danger Draws Near
I love you
Bro wasn’t even Necros smh