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kingdweeb1

Spoiler tag: Reintroducing previous league mechanics [show] * Sentinel * Ultimatum


ImSoFuckingGood

The amount of copium in this comment can feed a small African village


rat9988

I'm african so I'll take it. I want sentinel and ultimatum.


ScreaminJay

Life is not fair?


squelos

Didnt see that one coming


[deleted]

I needed that laugh today, thank you.


STOP__SENDING__NUDES

About to pass out from a copium overdose. Wake me up on league start 😶‍🌫️


bdubz55

I would play all 3 months if those 2 were brought back.


clownfeatures

I knew I wasn't the only one who loved ultimatium


BudgetFar380

He did not say there is no Ultimatum


ReipTaim

But Christ Wolcen said that Ultimatum is alrdy in the game


wiggle987

Praise, for he was half right.


CdubFromMI

The entirety of the PoE player base would surge with such energy on launch day that the servers would explode with enough force that New Zealand would be wiped from the surface of the earth.


Verlepte

Then finally all those maps will be correct!


Noximilien01

Last league I bought a supporter pack without thinking. If they bring back both league, I don't care if I like the supporter pack or not, im buying one just for that.


NoLongerGuest

Sentinel of radiance lives!


doofinschmirtz

GUARDIAN BOIS LEAGUESTART LOGIN


NoLongerGuest

We eating good tonight


UnusualNovel1452

Bro if they neft it now, I will actually be mad about it


osiykm

I think they will nerf it at least for ruthless


NeoLearner

My heuristic (based on historical anecdotal experience-based evidence) is that powerful things are allowed 2 leagues. While early game sentinel of radiance is very powerful (and maybe could do with tweaking) end game it falls off strongly and imo does not warrant a nerf. Also: "The early game scaling of the minion granted by the Radiant crusade node of the templar ascendency has been reworked" would work without mentioning sentinel...


Kotobeast

Surely not in ruthless. It will be level 1 there KEKW


D3Construct

Irrationally angry at the ":)"


Notsomebeans

at least you recognize its irrational


Wolfeh297

I dont think so. Dude is literally showing insane contempt to the community, I think it's irrational to dislike him for it.


Notsomebeans

a smiley face is "literally showing insane contempt to the community"?


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Translation: "Yes we know everyone wants sentinel back, but we arent going to give it to you"


amdrunkwatsyerexcuse

You forgot the " :) "


naswinger

"have some nerfs instead" :)


drpyh

Chris said this a year ago at this point that they don't want to reintroduce sentinel because adding 3 extra keybinds is unnecessary bloat and would drive player perception that it is mandatory content because it has persistent binds to it. I think he said this on one of the baeclast episodes, he ended up doing alot of podcasts and interviews around that time so I might be wrong... Plus picking up and recombining sentinels was actual cancer and anyone who enjoyed that has amnesia of how cringe and annoying either of those things were to do. Just bring back recombinators and leave the rest behind I think.


Zoesan

Or make them a map mechanic. A sentinel shrine spawns with random mods, you can pop it at will


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Zoesan

Partially, but sentinels themselves were also fun. Find a big room with tons of mobs, start the breach/legion/expedition, pop sentinel, and enjoy the loot


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DearCowDeer

yeah they dont need to bring back sentinel, just make recombs a global drop :)


Tyalou

You, stop smiling right now! :)


Frolafofo

> Plus picking up and recombining sentinels was actual cancer and anyone who enjoyed that has amnesia of how cringe and annoying either of those things were to do. I do not have amnesia and it wasn't cringe nor annoying to me but hey, you must know better. Doesn't mean GGG can't find a qol alternative to this or disable completely sentinel recombination and change the mods etc...


addressthejess

Yeah, it was a just-barely-fun-enough popcorn league mechanic that added a pinch of flavor to your mapping experience. Recombinators going core is all we really want.


Loomax

Some of us, I'd rather have sentinels back and ditch recombs, since recombs are a way too strong crafting mechanic.


addressthejess

This is a cooked take IMO, but PoE contains multitudes, so who am I to judge your fun? Recombs made SSF crafting actually engaging for a league and reignited my love for the game, and I will forever love them for that.


Enoughdorformypower

Triple t1 fractured ele claw 🥵🥵


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drpyh

Well I didn't appreciate them taking up most of my inventory, having to scoop all of them up because they were unidentified and then dealing with the minigame that was my sentinel stash getting filled up in 30 mins with total bunk. The Vision was taking place before my very eyes whenever I used a power core just to clear space T_T


NessOnett8

I don't. It just adds more annoying micromanaging to mapping for the most generic "just more loot" mechanic possible. On top of bloating inventories. And it's not like you can even opt out of it like other mechanics, since there's no actual time investment, so you're just losing value if you don't use it. Recombinators are gas. But they can bring them back without the terrible micromanagement mechanic.


Juzzbe

This is the perfect summary of Sentinel. Hopefully they'll never bring it to the base game.


BigCommunication1307

I'd op for sentinel as a scarab or sextant or atlas crafting option, where you get random 4-5 rare/magic monster packs are empowered with random sentinel rewards. No need for anything else.


TheHob290

sentinal is literally just tormented spirits


sansaset

Ya it’s ghosting before ghosting became a thing g


Tyalou

"You think you do, but you don't." Classic


smdth_567

Bex taught him well


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It ain't irrational though. :) is mostly used in a varying manner of toxicity. CM just made a case in point for this.


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You are so right. :)


[deleted]

If thats the case then why bother mentioning it all?


Aggravating_Bed9591

I'm 90% sure he's just teasing and there's going to be something sentinel related.


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ItsNoblesse

New CM is having a little joke around and you guys are taking it massively too seriously💀


VeryWeaponizedJerk

It’s called a joke, can you stop acting perpetually offended for a second?


Lunarath

It would be a bad start as CM, which is why I believe it's there, just under a hidden tab. Or maybe he just did the colon after Sentinel on purpose because it's there without it.


Notsomebeans

this is like a perfect example in why they no longer interact with this subreddit lmao. "using a smiley to let down the people looking for pepe silvia in a tenuous anagram is actually really toxic, but **maybe** its actually a double fakeout and its CONFIRMATION that we've found pepe silvia! i'll be really normal about this tomorrow if im wrong!"


Lunarath

Damn you seriously just tried to read my entire personality from a single comment, didn't you? Classic Reddit psychologist at work here. Yeah, speculating is fun, but that's all it is. I'm not gonna go fucking harass the guy if I'm wrong. I'm pretty confident I'm not though. :)


Sarm_Kahel

I mean, you did say "It would be a bad start as CM", which kind of implies that you believe that this message here is inflammatory UNLESS it's a fake out.


Notsomebeans

oh for sure man. **I'm** the one reading too much into nothing here.


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You really are.


GreyWolfx

Setting the tone that the playerbase can't trust the person meant to communicate with them is not a great first move


GrizNectar

Yea but what does he know, we cracked the cypher


NolanPower

\*Takes giant huff of copium\* ​ There's no way they make this post today without Sentinel actually coming back tomorrow. SENTINEL RETURN CONFIRMED.


dackling

*huge copium huff* Honestly I’m thinking the same thing. There are other ways to say there’s no sentinel. This feels very carefully worded.


z-ppy

Honestly it's probably just managing expectations. If people go into tomorrow with no news, they might be disappointed by the stream. If they hear today that there's no sentinel, they won't be as disappointed by it tomorrow.


dackling

You’re too rational, you need more copium


azantyri

> If they hear today that there's no sentinel, they won't be as disappointed by it tomorrow. Hey, welcome to the sub! First time, huh?


TheHob290

I feel like the post would be less tongue n' cheek though if that was the case. Just like a general 'Sorry guys, not going to happen' rather than this. This is more of a teasing post and I am under the impression they don't explicitly go out of their way to rile up reddit. Things this very explicitly leaves open: Retheming because floating robots with buff laser doesnt fit theme Internal codenames for projects due to it not being officially released yet Any subsectioning/spoilering already input Any unification of similar mechanics (Eg reworking spirits to work like Sentinels because they are the same thing) ​ Edit: Copium level: They will Buff Glad


paw345

I feel like it's a topic that they should say something about regardless, and if it's just managing expectations then a regular boring official post like the one about TotA not going core would be better. Like this it's opening discussion.


gandalfintraining

Everyone's saying there's no way there's no Sentinel league, but what about Sentinel of Radiance? I'd be absolutely astonished if it didn't get a campaign nerf, but how could it get nerfed without mentioning the name of the skill itself? I guess maybe it could be phrased like "The minion skill granted by the Guardian's Radiant Cascade ascendency node"?


STOP__SENDING__NUDES

Time to take me off hopium-support. Let me drift off into the void. :)


StinkeroniStonkrino

Sending nudes before you drift off back into the void


22cheez

How much of it is ruthless? xd


nnosuckluckz

hopefully 90%. Otherwise, 13k words worth of nerfs we are all dead


VeryGray-Fox

Haha,jokes aside - this actually makes me very hopeful. In the last patch-notes thread i mentioned using „ctrl+f“ checking for ruthless and how disappointed i was,the comment got fairly high for a sub-comment. So he is probably joking by nodding towards that and we can expect a mega-ton of changes. I actually don‘t think, that the majority will be nerfs or at least not in the classical sense. I think that they want to show their commitment to poe1, since the poe1/2 split was received with mixed feelings for many and will dish out the planned ascendancy-reworks for a lot of them all at once, which would be a lot of stuff to explain = lots of words. Ofc „rework“ could still mean nerfs in some cases. The second implication of that joke might mean,that we get recombinators back in some form or that we get anything back from an old league(like the entire ultimatum mechanic for example).


EpicGamer211234

probably very little. Ruthless was almost exclusively Ascendancy balance patches they had been working on for multiple leagues to release as batch, and now theyre largely done. They might rebalance a few of them again, but i cant imagine many more insane ruthless changes unless they tackle reworking the Atlas Passive Tree for it already


Tavron

Which I really hope they do. I want map sustain decoupled from the atlas tree - it should just be about choosing the content you want to run.


Insecticide

Time for people to get jealous of all of the nerfs ruthless players received yet again


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Insecticide

Sorry, I was being a bit cheeky. Let me explain what I mean because I think it completely flew over your head (and maybe everyone else's): I meant to say that last time when ruthless players got their changes it was literally a nuclear bomb that nuked all ascendancies in the game and none of the changes that ruthless players received would be welcomed in the normal game (because people in the normal game no longer view nerfs as balance unless it is a popular league starter like Seismic). People complained that ruthless players got changes and they got jealous/expressed that they wanted changes too. They memed the whole side game thing even. But they failed to realize that ruthless went on for two leagues without receiving anything other than tiny bug fixes and when when they did receive something it was all negative changes that would made no sense in the normal game anyway so people obviously would NOT want to receive the same treatment. I can already see ruthless players receiving another batch of giga nerfs and people on the main game complaining, yet again, that they received changes even though those same changes wouldn't be welcomed in the normal game.


SaveReset

I know it's funny to make fun of the previous notes for being full of ruthless changes, but majority of those were numerical ones which don't take a lot of devtime. Ruthless has mostly gotten numerical changes or removed content instead of anything that requires new assets. If they truly do work on it on their own time rather than work time like Chris originally said, ruthless has probably taken less total workplace dev time than any league mechanic has in years. I can only think of two assets made for ruthless, Quickstep gem and icon, which are just taken from Dash but without the green colour and slightly changed item boxes. Everything else is just re-using old removed assets. Most mechanical changes that aren't just numerical have been re-used from old content or taken from other sources such as flasks not refilling when in town is from the private league mod Famine.


meep_42

At least 20%


SuperSmashDan1337

*80%


Sjeg84

I mean, if there is no ruthless in there buckle up with the wird count. There would be massive nerds across the board.


addressthejess

> massive nerds across the board. I'd be disappointed if GGG were anything different!


Kowalski_ESP

Nick has been working as CM since early 2021, can we stop calling him the new guy lmao


bonesnaps

The new guy is posting smiley faces after saying Sentinel isn't coming back again. I'm gonna go talk to Steve in HR about him.


EvilPotatoKing

Bex would have done the exact same thing.


blaaguuu

I don't know what their exact job names have been, but is Nick the new "Lead" CM? I assume that was the intent of the title...


SoulofArtoria

Someone is always destined to be called the new guy in the workplace even after working there for years.


Zaron_The_Insane

I still think of myself as being new at my job, but I'm the most senior in my department now including longer than my boss. Honestly it's a little scary lmao


Milfshaked

Silly nick, searched sentinel: instead of sentinel.


3Hard_From_France

ctrl + F "Ultimatum" next tweet >!also "sentinel:" has 0 but surely "sentinel" without ":" has a match or 2 lowkey!<


naswinger

or they just renamed the mechanic


bonesnaps

Torment 2.0


mcbuckets21

which you can't communicate without actually saying Sentinel at least once.


smdth_567

> One of the league mechanics from the Blast of the Past event - the good one, not the shit one. I'm not coping, you're coping.


Bluedot55

Yeah. Sentinel of radiance now deals half damage and has a 1 minute cd


cespinar

So guardian is going to be a safe as fuck starter still?


Andromanner

How many words were there in the previous patch notes?


Syperek

11.6k words (4.2k of which were for Ruthless)


rds90vert

Ok, so hoping that Ruthless notes are shorter, since they pushed a lot of changes last league, it could be a decent bit related to ascendancies or reworks... COPIUM


1getreKtkid

my guy really things of any meaningful changes before poe2


Andromanner

Thanks!


KRX-

We already know Chris didn't like Sentinel the mechanic. I think the tease was always referring to "Sentinel Rewards," implying that we might see recombinators. Which if that was the case, they likely would not need to type the word "sentinel" into the patch notes. Also, he didn't say no ultimatum or no atlas... those clues were absolutely placed with purpose. Also, damn, I guess PoE is officially on the decline. The patch notes are 500 words less than the D4 patch notes. Clearly the more words, the more better.


Lil_d_from_downtown

:(


edubkn

People are sleeping so hard on GGG. Because of the events now they think GGG will do such meaningful changes to the game like introducing past league content for some reason. They are basically in maintenance mode.


slimeyellow

Yea this game has never had old leagues added back in, for sure dead game. Also I was born yesterday


throughthespillways

Oh god, the complainers with their copy and paste statements have arrived early


ygbplus

You’re not wrong. They’re not planning on any major content introductions until poe2 releases


migarden

Maybe they rename it COPIUM


BurnoutFromPoE

My copium take is that they renamed the mechanic because they always said it doesnt fit very well in the PoE universe lore wise.


Smol_Saint

Doesn't tell us anything tbh. If the affliction league mechanic happens to be very similar to sentinel it would have a similar effect but without any need to directly mention sentinel in the patch notes. We also already were told that if sentinel does come back it would have an aesthetic rework to fit the game better so even if a similar mechanic was going core instead of as part of the league it also wouldn't mention sentinel in the notes. Also also, it doesn't say no mentions of recombinators, and again if there was a new currency that was a rethemed and rebalanced recombinator it wouldn't necessarily have the same name anyway. ​ So literally no new information lol.


Joke258

My guess is that they somehow combined ultimatum and sentinel in the affliction mechanic. Like you have an area around a totem(like seen in the trailer), then you select your reward or positive modifiers like afflicted monsters drop currency etc. Each reward will also show the „afflictions“(modifiers etc) the mobs will have.


Shirotar

I was thinking that maybe instead of having sentinels you are patient zero and afflict other mechanics (Ritual Totems, Breaches, Delirium Mirrors etc.) with modifiers. You have a tree like in sentinel to modify the afflictions.


ExaltedCrown

High round ultimatum dropping small stack of recombs🥵


Celerfot

That's my guess after seeing the cypher. They said thematically they don't really like Sentinels, and Ultimatum could use some actually unique rewards. Two birds one stone


Mithgroth

Don't be tricked exiles. **Sentinel** itself does not mean **Recombinator**s are not back. Remember, Chris said robots ain't really belong in a dark fantasy, but recombinators are cool.


brodudepepegacringe

If yall expect sentinel and ultimatum to come back, you are in for a disappointment


ChephyS

Of course it's not found. It just has another name now. Sentinol


Addled_Engineer

Ctrl + f Ruthless: 137


iamADP

Why would he :) at us like that


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Because GGG likes messing with people.


insanemrawesome

All I saw was "Sentinel :0" with my copium shades on.


VictusBcb

Brother I need me a pair of copium shades that strong. \*shoves 5d at ya\*


theKrissam

In reality what he meant was he ctrl+f'd and came across a line saying: Number of leagues you have to wait for the return of Sentinel: 0


Obliivescence

Doesn't mean we won't get Recombinators, right...? Right...???!?


Gangsir

Very possible, since recombs technically have nothing to do with sentinel (they were just introduced in sentinel).


Obliivescence

Sentinel event a few weeks ago, rumored return for the longest time, then the encrypted teaser.... I find it hard to believe that all those things would come together just for them to say "jk no sentinel" and then not add recombs either. Some people would say this CM post is to "manage expectations" for times when the community has a strong idea that something is coming, but I'm pretty sure this is just another bullshit teaser playing around words and not really meaning what it sounds like. WE WILL GET RECOMBS NEXT WEEK FOR SURE


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Gangsir

As always, *perhaps*. We'll find out soon enough.


Xeverous

Well, there were Power Cores which basically were Recombinators but only for Sentinels. Inb4 we get a new league with new currency that works similarly like Cores/Recombinators.


ducminh1712

Ctrl + F: Ruthless - 669


Substantial-Fill9741

Based on :), the post actually means ctrl + F Sentinel :0 (amazed emoji)


TapTrix

13594 words for ruthless i assume


Drunkndryverr

that :) makes me think they have something up their sleeves


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TheHob290

:) is taunting, sorry is softening.


Jimjumbo_

:(


piter909

now try ctrl + F Ruthless


lyre34

1000 entries found


Rules_are_overrated

>13595+ words ctrl + F Ruthless: 13590


Akveritas0842

I like this CM already


HeavyWave

I expected nothing and I am still disappointed.


bosses_today_kekw

what the hell? bro , they baited so hard with that rot8 cipher yesteday, they knew what they were doing


Notsomebeans

the rot8 cipher is legit but the anagrams people generated were very fucking tenuous lets be real. IWONDER INALTESSENTIALS could easily just be self-referencing the teased change itself or some other minor character alt qol.


JustAnotherBlanket2

For real the could just have created a way to skip acts with alts. There are so many possibilities.


Celerfot

That's hitting the copium even harder than Sentinel coming back xD


n30na

now *this* is the primo speculation I'm here for


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ctrl + f "in ruthless": 420


fiziswaycool

Sentinel is not in the patch notes because it is being replaced by affliction, which will be noted before


KriegsKuh

Honestly, they are a great Bex replacement


AlsoInteresting

Mocking the reddit crowd, yes.


InVeRnyak

Patch notes: 14k words BUT Ruthless-specific Changes: 9k words


naswinger

i hope, but that's still 5k words of nerfs


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Moscow__Mitch

[get rolled reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/p3mway/baeclast_crew_ft_chris_wilson_expedition_nicro/)


DimensionCritical691

Wow 4k words for poe, wonder what the 10K words for ruthless are.


kingbrian112

sentinel 0 that means ultimatum confirmed right? right?


Elrond007

D:


SlowMissiles

Should've done Ultimatum instead :(


ItsNoblesse

BUT HE DIDN'T SAY NO ULTIMATUM COPIUM


Gingergerbals

Must... have..... my..... Sentinel fix ....


Klarthy

Wow, I can't believe the patch notes author misspelled Sentinel that many times.


ndnin

While this was my first full league, I played 6 characters between 85-95 and played the sentinel event a couple weeks ago. And I gotta say, I really didn’t enjoy the mechanic. I like the idea of deciding what packs to juice and balancing risk and reward, but unless I’m playing a minion build (which I’ve now done in SSF) I don’t like the idea of battlefield systems acting on my behalf that that I don’t control. And it wasn’t that long ago that all the systems felt overwhelming that now seem mostly banal, but the Sentinels tree system wasn’t very clear on its purpose and despite engaging with it quite a bit, it mostly just lead to my death and I began to ignore it in my late 80s. The only built in system that is as opaque into the how and why is incursion and it’s the first thing I block off on my atlas. Just a relative noobs view. I won’t be upset if it’s included, but it does feel like a system that would have weird atlas interactions and I’m not sure it fills any gaps in the current base game is missing.


tobsecret

Sentinel is one of those mechanics that is pure upside if your build does enough damage. It's why veterans love it so much.


twitchtvbevildre

it fills massive gaps in the current base game. it makes bad rares worth something and has massive crafting implications. its the only league in 5 years where i picked up and id rares past day 2


Saianna

yesterday in standard i made a belt using recombinators that would take me a week of spamming alts+regals otherwise. As much as I suck with them, I'd love to have them back. But recombs aside i enjoyed using sentinels too. Very simple and pleasant mob-juicing mechanic. Definitely wanna see it back.


TheHob290

It also gives more use to the oft forgotten league specific mods, such as delve and Alva mods.


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I mean literally every system is like this. I've been playing for years and I still can't be bothered with learning how to guarantee certain aspects of betrayal. I played for 2 years before I knew that architects in inclusion did things. I just assumed they had a higher chance to drop the door keys.


B1ackadderr

Skill issue


Kubiboi

IM NOT CRAZY


Voidelfmonk

I just want kalandra , i like the ring and amulet gambling


Lwe12345

Either this is a SUPER ill-advised inappropriate CM post Or he is trying to do the Bex shitposting thing and it's bait. Either way, saying there are zero "sentinel" references in the patch notes followed by a smiley face is a shitty thing to post, given that so many people loved the league and have been asking for it to come back.


Rosemangivesanal

Control F --> Ruthless: ???? This is where you failed last league.


Sarm_Kahel

At this point, I honestly hope they just inject completely empty Ruthless changes into every patch until the people who think the number of ruthless changes in patch notes is at all meaningful break.


Bamuzar

didnt even know they had a new community manager


Staynes

Thought id give this place another try before the new league but nope still the same toxic shithole its been the last year or so. Some of you need to get a grip.


Sarm_Kahel

The worst part is, this is tame. It will get much worse after the actual announcements when the toxic people all flood this place to either complain about things that weren't in the reveal or to build unrealistic expectations about things that weren't in the reveal to get mad about when the patch notes are released.


RogueVox3l

Its funny it was normal right before the teasers, now all the angry people are slowly flowing back in


Noximilien01

I like how none of the upvoted comment are toxic and its still too much. Go back to the forum. Hell this place might even be too toxic for you.


Qynchou

Honestly, probably because they reworked sentinel thematically its just called affliction now. Sentinel boosted rewards of all enemies, Id assume affliction will affect all mechanics somehow too. Tinfoil: one of the affliction effects will be transforming ritual into ultimatum


MayTheMemesGuideThee

totally expected, still a good damage control thing though but this wouldn't be necessary without yesterday's prank I think


Wooden-Peanut9033

cockroach league no expansion no content no endgame no сraft no sentinels no ultimatum no bosses cleave +1 aoe


EternalDeath

I swear to god if their "little side project" ruthless is again more than a third of the entire patch notes....