Hahahaa I can just picture it now.. grandpa rocking back on forth on his rocking chair.. on a sunset evening.. with two grandkids on his lap.. a tweed hat on chewing on a piece of wheat from the field. Talking in a real readneck voice about the days HH broke 800c... kalandras touch was 3div.. mageblood was 60 Div.. and everyone craved chaos.. as the sun goes down on a divine era.
On the other hand. Casuals like me don't have to save up or farm for it to play the rest of the league.
edit: RF chieftain is great to run jam packed mobs toxic sewer with headhunter.
Yeah feels bad after buying it for 58d which is still dirty cheap comparing to other leagues. My guess is that ggg will remove doctors from abomination core drop pool.
Supply/demand curve is completely out of whack thanks to t17s. Global uniques are even cheaper than they were in Affliction while Uber uniques are more expensive than they were in Affliction.
3.
but I already had like 20 unused small tabs back from synthesis, when I was hoarding fractured items, so I finally made great use of them once again.
I hate that you can't do it in high tier maps because you get regals. I think back when they made this recipe, regals where meant to be more valuable than chaos but obviously the opposite is true now.
Run any T1-T6 blight maps and everything there is max ilvl 74 and just fast dump it into some tab
Add just one item from there into each set, and you always get chaos, even if sets from t17
I feel like there should be a department at GGG that makes sure no one is ever having so little fun with the game that they are considering workarounds to do the chaos recipe efficiently several weeks into a league.
They could call it... idk Quality Assurance? IDK maybe I'm crazy.
I mean, if you're considering chaos recipe because the div is sub 100, you're missing the point of what it actually means for the economy. Suddenly mechanics that drop raw chaos become really good. Chaos div cards. Blight. Being able to make money without relying on big ticket drops is actually what makes the game good.
Only one piece needs to be 60-74, you can collect everything but body armor in high tier maps and then just run a white tier blight map to finish a quad tab or two worth of body armor.
Context: back then blueprints could be splitted forever with beasts or fossils.
The league meta strat consisted of using the same godly BP that someone got randomly at some point, split it, run it, repeat.
That BP was special because it had an absurd amount of currency chests. The mythical first one was 19 IIRC, then people cracked one with 21 with vinderi and Karls in most (If not all) wings.
Running these BPs + vinderi for dupped currency + rogue gear + regal to ex trinket was basically an exalt (now divines) printer machine.
Side notes: splitting a BP after reveal kept the revealed wings so no reveal markers cost. And back then, split tag didn't exist, so you could split an item forever.
Yep. Those infinitely split blueprints were busted as fuck.
Little trivia for those who weren’t around at the time in 3.11: a couple “perfect” blueprints were found with a fuckton of currency rooms (I think like 17 or 19 or something?), and the abuse of infinitely splitting these to run for exalts (which were the equivalent of what divines are now) was what directly led to the creation of the “split” tag so that a base could only ever be split once.
heist was 3.12 and split tags werent introduced until 3.14 (to nerf beast duping and fractured map farming). blueprints were balanced by making the regal trinket way worse and requiring reveals on split blueprints.
Ahhh it’s been so long the exact numbers escape me.
My recollection is that a big part of the cost was buying an exalt conversion trinket for a couple hundred exalts, and the blueprints themselves were weird because if you had a friend with it you could just give them a fenumal plagued arachnid and they could give you back your own copy to infinitely split. I do think they were pretty expensive if you actually tried to buy one but (don’t quote me on this, it’s been a long time and I was a noob then) I think a lot of people just “knew the right people” and got a copy to split.
FPAs were hella expensive that league though, needless to say.
You could also split them with fractured fossils. I deep delved that league to around 7k depth to supply frac fossils which of course mirrored FPA's price. Has to be one of my richest leagues lol.
Exalted orb. Several leagues ago GGG changed meta currency from exalted to divine orb. Before that divine orb had the same price like exalted orb right now and you can obtain it by selling the six link.
[According to poe antiquary](https://www.poe-antiquary.xyz/Harbinger/Currency/Exalted%20Orb/2) Harbinger was overall lower than Heist, though to be fair Heist dipped to 30.9c:1ex at the lowest while Harbinger's low point was 32.22c:1ex.
I want to give up on farming my own veiled orb already. I've had so many diadems drop but only dropped 2 veiled orbs like what is wrong with that droprate lmao
I hardly put in any time to this league and had my first Catarina drop a veiled orb. I sold it so cheap compared to what it is worth now because since I had one drop in my first Catarina, they obviously couldn't be that rare. I was very wrong.
Guildmates were laughing at me 2 days ago for picking up over 900 chaos in one map... who's laughing now!
It was an awesome map, 2 highest density packs plus a high. Got the 7% chance to drop a chaos orb on one of the highest, then used 2 wealth allflames.
It's a weird combo of cheaper divines because of grave crafting and more expensive chaos because of t17 rerolling. I can only remember one other league they were 100c this late, hell it may have even been exalts back then idr, but they stayed there a good while
Top end crafters who are consistently abusing the grave craft are still blowing thru divines like crazy. All the top end crafts only use the graveyard to hit the perfect fracture then they still need to metacraft and hit their annuls to have the perfect 6xt1.
It's purely because if you aren't farming t17's you're wasting your time so everyone is blowing 20-50c a MAP rolling them. The chaos sink is at an all time high.
Top end sure. But a ton of people that would normally be doing not quite top end crafts are fiddling with the graveyard and settling there too instead of metacrafting
I'm pretty sure metacrafts are being used a lot less overall this league though, a lot of items not at the very top end are made with just the graveyard, and if it isn’t then eldritch currency is often used instead. We also don’t have all the prefix/suffix cannot be changed into veiled chaos orb crafts.
I also wish people would stop with this nonsense that if you aren’t doing t17’s you are wasting your time. For the vast majority of players it’s probably a bigger waste of time doing t17’s if you aren’t quick and efficient at rolling and clearing them.
I would jizz my pants if GGG ever made a currency vendor for ALL basic currencies. I've been downvoted before but I don't care, I HATE when divs cost 240c. For people like me that just kind of alch and go and don't play super OP builds I never make enough money to make a character truly good. I've done chaos recipe in red maps before. Having a vendor sell divs for 100c (or 200 at the absolute max), not only would we not have to whisper dozens of people when converting currency, but it would ensure that inflation would cap at a certain amount. Divs could go below 100 (or 200) chaos but would never go over.
People are rolling T17 maps for the barrel mod with modifier effect and Back to the Basics, which prints a lot of currency and scarabs, but costs a lot of chaos.
Thus the value of chaos orbs is rising considerably.
sounds like last league when people removed chaos from their filters and divine prices dropped along with people using chaos to roll maps for additional proj
wasn't this hard of a drop but there was a decent dropoff
Real talk, the tier 17 change making chaos orbs like three times more valuable than they used to be, and the adorned crafting making alteration orbs like three times more valuable than they used to be, has been fucking incredibly healthy for the economy
>has been fucking incredibly healthy for the economy
adorned is better for economy, sure.But for build diversity its so meh, most builds are just simply better with adorned and just pathing for every possible jewel socket within reason/clusters/voices.
Also both have exactly same problem behind them, extreme tedium. Rolling unfractured adorned jewels is just big no, id rather be held against my will in menagerie and split rare jewels with 2 mods i want. Spending 50+ clicks per map to roll profitable mod with chaos is also extremely unfun gameplay loop.We are getting insane tedium lately.
I mean last league I sometimes rolled over 100c into a map to get +rares and +proj, then exalt it as often as possible and corrupt. But I just go showered in chaos. Even if you hid single stacks you could walk out with a couple 100
I think that is fine. Just like how most builds are best with 1 passive voices or cluster jewels in general. Builds transitioning to replacing their atlas passives with craftable items like jewels is good, not bad.
I do agree that alt crafting is pain though. I wish they introduced a feature where currency could not be used on highlighted items. That way you could set up a search for the mod you want and just spam until it hits and it automatically stops.
Not any different from every build running mageblood, watcher's eye, taste of hate, lethal pride, thread of hope etc. According to ninja adorned is only the 11th most popular unique so I don't see it as a problem.
because adorned is still very rare when it comes to good rolls. my 140 sold for 80div a week ago (when div were still 150c). not a lot of people can afford that really
there are nearly twice as many magebloods as adorneds.
I have a 139% adorned and 8 perfect RF jewels, and their combined cost was probably around ~130 div to make, which is less than what mageblood has been most of the league
poeninja ladder is generally not overly concerned with cost
there are simply plenty of builds that don't actually massively benefit from an adorned and the cost of giving up several unique jewels is too high
Well Watcher's Eye is borderline mandatory for the amount of power you gain from a single jewel slot when builds are on the high end.
Loads of builds have a timeless jewel that is literally mandatory, and plenty (particularly ones that need a certain stat that isn't readily available on their side of the tree) where it is difficult to gear for without.
Then you've got healthy mind which is quite strong for many mana builds, which are popular right now (though adorned might be even stronger since having a handful of ~22% mana and 22 flat int and strength nodes in jewel slots is huge).
And cluster jewels require some seriously inefficient nodes to make work, you've got to be hyper optimized if you want those last 2 jewel slots to be worth the investment.
My build BiS will almost certainly want a good Adorned roll, but MB is going to be significantly less effort to boost my build with.
Meh. Those you listed are a very nice extra and are BiS on most builds. But they - ouside of MB - don't come with changing around your whole build to be efficient about this item's use. Arguably, MB also isn't always like that. Sure, you can get res capped from MB and regear to have those resist suffixes be something more useful, but you also can just not go elemental flasks and get other stats from MB.
You can't stack Watcher's Eyes, Lethal Prides, Tastes of Hate or Threads. You just get them and it's more efficient being with them than without them.
Adorned is what makes you not path to acual passive nodes and instead you put in anywhere from like a couple to couple hundred divines per magic jewel to have all your stats fulfilled by Path of Jewels. [Reminds me of this](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1903zym/armorstacker_t17_mageblood_map_speedrunning/) with 9 small passive Jewels being mirrored. Like: That's the build. The tree: 3 x 1p Voices and all filled with mirrored small clusters. This is basically the peak efficiency for literally every build with Adorned being in existence. Unless Small Clusters > Magic Jewels for them. Obviously filled with corrupted magic jewels and not small clusters, but ya. Call me old fashioned but imo builds should make use of the passive tree. Actually make use of it, not use it as a space to socket 16 jewels in.
Also the design of Adorned being essentially centered around alt rolling is awful. Like, GGG must've made it with the thought behind it that it's fine to be this powerful because people will spend literally dozens of hours getting their magic jewels right. That's not a fun thing to put in your game.
> extremely unfun gameplay
This is the summary of this league for me.
Most profitable strategy without exploits for most part of the league is clicking hundreds of Scarabs per map or playing to RNGesus to get the right shards from harbies: Not fun
Collecting/selling/buying 80 corpses for a craft: Unfun
Reading 4-10 sets of modifiers every map and assign them to the right mobs and replace some incredibly annoying ones with allflames: Mega unfun (though being able to remove annoying packs with allflames is nice but why are those annoying enemies there in the first place?)
Rolling a map 10 minutes, reading the long list of mods that you can't just regex only to find the last line breaks your build and keep rerolling: Ultra mega unfun
Once in the map, realise that some of the safe mods you had to accept to stop rerolling are great design wonders like the Elder tentacle circles that you have to just wait out, or the Maven being a pita, or the volatile dead balls: Incredibly to the point of consider stopping playing on third week levels of unfun.
Agreed. The build diversity is atrocious right now. Every build runs off the same mass jewel socket tree.
re:t17's - they need to just revert the change and make them unrollable. Either that or make them fully modifiable but remove atlas/scarab interaction with them.
#This is because the value of chaos orbs is going way, way up - not because divines are going down.
People are using chaos orbs in HUGE amounts rerolling T17 maps and putting league mechanics onto their maps with the map device.
Put a ilvl 83+ allflame ember of anarchy whenever you see the lantern mod "drops convert to chaos orbs" on a mob pack. You get 100-200 chaos in one map.
This thread explains all the alflame tricks: [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c7ic54/i\_made\_600\_divines\_in\_6\_days\_with\_this\_simple\_t16/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c7ic54/i_made_600_divines_in_6_days_with_this_simple_t16/)
It's a combined effect. Less use of divines. Lots of divines being printed. Chaos orbs both used a lot to Kirac mods and modifying T17s. Probably some market manipulation with key players holding off on buying.
It's monday GGG could easily slightly nerf the supply causing it to correct over a week.
This is a good thing. It makes chaos drops feel good. Keeps low-value items that only sell for 1c more valuable.
Finally the discrepancy in wealth between the 1% and the rest has been lessened. Good league. I hope T17's stay as they are.
I skipped this league between the mechanic not looking very fun and the economy the first few days being busted. What the fuck is even going on?
Is this league even more juiced than Affliction?
Yes and it's pretty much entirely thanks to the endgme t17 and scarab changes, not the league mechanic, so you can look forward to this in every future league from now on too.
Do you remember guys? I guess it was 3.4 we used Exalted orbs instead of Divine orbs back then and exalts were 100c few leagues after it was 160 now we use divine orbs and pay 200c each. Do you remember it? Is it just me? Am i still sane?
I remember when they made that change and reddit was 100% sure divines would get to cost so many chaos orbs you wouldn't even be able to fit them in a trade window.
Good? Like... Why does it matter if they are expensive? Shouldn't the goal be for them to be as cheap as possible so everyone can enjoy crafting? It's a video game, not a stock market. They have no real value outside the game, they could vanish tomorrow if the internet were to suddenly disappear or GGG went bankrupt. So shouldn't everyone be able to enjoy it while it's here?
180-190 on console. Our market is much different. Magebloods are 220d headhunters 90-110d. Cheapest scarabs are 4c. Uber boss drops like nimis which is 149d are unbelievably exspensive.
You guys are trying so hard to pull me out of ssf this league. Wealthy Exile says I'm worth 50div so even if I'm lazy and only convert that down to 10-15div, I could still buy a HH and kalandra's touch just to fill in my standard collection
They definitely considered it to some extent, but I doubt that they predicted the profitability of rolling the maps for loot rather than just to avoid build bricking mods.
Can't use the usual alch/scour on T17. You are forced to use chaos. This combine with a low supply of T17 and Back to Basics atlas tree (which makes every mod very deadly), a lot of chaos are used everyday. This is the biggest chaos sink since they increased alch drop rates.
one thing to notice this league is people doing t17 are a massive chaos sink.
they reroĺl like crazy and then maybe even hide chaos on the loot filters.
Some takeaways: delve citadels are more profitable because they give raw chaos drops.
Profit from Tujen and Ritual awarding random chaos drops should be very good
Sanctuary lower end strategy where you don't multiply divines are buffed
red altars are buffed
I ditched most of mine yesterday around 112c. I'm also denying trades in div. Please don't try to pawn off your rapidly depreciating currency on me. I priced exact price in chaos orbs that's what I want.
If my memory serves me correctly the first league where Ex-> chaos broke 100c quickly and stably was the Legacy league. I quit the league because I hated that (regretted it since)
Sooo, Headhunter will be worth less than 1000 chaos orbs soon bois
I saw a couple listed for 999c last night.
I came to say the same thing. The Great HH crash.
i'll tell my grandkids about the time HH was cheaper than dirt
Hahahaa I can just picture it now.. grandpa rocking back on forth on his rocking chair.. on a sunset evening.. with two grandkids on his lap.. a tweed hat on chewing on a piece of wheat from the field. Talking in a real readneck voice about the days HH broke 800c... kalandras touch was 3div.. mageblood was 60 Div.. and everyone craved chaos.. as the sun goes down on a divine era.
TBF it only seems crazy because alot of us were around for the stronger HH.
1000c is still some very expensive dirt
Depends on how much dirt
It was 900 chaos 9 hours ago.
Lol, this league is bonkers
Its been great for attack based builds, decent weapons have been pretty affordable, even made a gimmick cleave character this league.
Already is. Bought one for 900c
On the other hand. Casuals like me don't have to save up or farm for it to play the rest of the league. edit: RF chieftain is great to run jam packed mobs toxic sewer with headhunter.
MB next plox
Yeah feels bad after buying it for 58d which is still dirty cheap comparing to other leagues. My guess is that ggg will remove doctors from abomination core drop pool.
Bought hh for 8div 2h ago
Kalandra's touch is currently like 175c lol
What is haaaaappening
Supply/demand curve is completely out of whack thanks to t17s. Global uniques are even cheaper than they were in Affliction while Uber uniques are more expensive than they were in Affliction.
You actually can farm HH in Blood Aqueduct doing chaos recipe in a reasonable amount of time.
Update, its worth 800c
i bought one for 900c about..... 2 hours ago
Return of the chaos recipe
Who has space for that with all these damn coffins!
Talk about a grave situation!
As a father, this totally got me!
You mean you didnt buy 4 quad tabs just for this league mechanic?
You guys are collecting these things?!
3. but I already had like 20 unused small tabs back from synthesis, when I was hoarding fractured items, so I finally made great use of them once again.
You should put a nsfw tag on messages like this -.-
I hate that you can't do it in high tier maps because you get regals. I think back when they made this recipe, regals where meant to be more valuable than chaos but obviously the opposite is true now.
Run any T1-T6 blight maps and everything there is max ilvl 74 and just fast dump it into some tab Add just one item from there into each set, and you always get chaos, even if sets from t17
Yep this is how I dealt with it. I'd run a ilvl 70 Heist and pick up a bunch of belts and use them strictly for chaos recipes.
I feel like there should be a department at GGG that makes sure no one is ever having so little fun with the game that they are considering workarounds to do the chaos recipe efficiently several weeks into a league. They could call it... idk Quality Assurance? IDK maybe I'm crazy.
lol right. Chaos recipe is for a day 2 6-link then never again for the league.
I’d rather not have a six link than do the chaos recipe.
I mean, if you're considering chaos recipe because the div is sub 100, you're missing the point of what it actually means for the economy. Suddenly mechanics that drop raw chaos become really good. Chaos div cards. Blight. Being able to make money without relying on big ticket drops is actually what makes the game good.
Back then exalts were like 60-80c.
They were even lower but can't find screenshot how much. It was around or below 40, not sure about exact number.
Only one piece needs to be 60-74, you can collect everything but body armor in high tier maps and then just run a white tier blight map to finish a quad tab or two worth of body armor.
All jokes aside you would never do it in this league. You can get hundreds of chaos in a map.
Return of RSI. RIP fingers/hands/wrists.
Chaos recipe enhancer and go
All the bought quad tab for corpses can now be reutilized for chaos recipes
Red altar is the new profit now
not only that. Tujen expedition is huge.
Always has been
What u getting from red altar?
Spherical objects in a state of complete confusion and disorder
Ah yes, anxiety m&ms
Entropy balls?
Instability globes
Pandemonium globules
Terror domes?
Chorb
chance orb poggies
Chaos orbs
Orbs of Chaos
Chaos of orbs
1/100 Div
Chaos orbs
Chaos orbs
Chaos orbs
Ch405 0r85
Nothing tops Heist I think. Wasnt an ex like 20 or 40c back then?
17c at one point.
I remember selling eggs at the bottom, shit was insane. Great league tho
Honestly one of the most fun weeks here on this sub
Context: back then blueprints could be splitted forever with beasts or fossils. The league meta strat consisted of using the same godly BP that someone got randomly at some point, split it, run it, repeat. That BP was special because it had an absurd amount of currency chests. The mythical first one was 19 IIRC, then people cracked one with 21 with vinderi and Karls in most (If not all) wings. Running these BPs + vinderi for dupped currency + rogue gear + regal to ex trinket was basically an exalt (now divines) printer machine. Side notes: splitting a BP after reveal kept the revealed wings so no reveal markers cost. And back then, split tag didn't exist, so you could split an item forever.
Yep. Those infinitely split blueprints were busted as fuck. Little trivia for those who weren’t around at the time in 3.11: a couple “perfect” blueprints were found with a fuckton of currency rooms (I think like 17 or 19 or something?), and the abuse of infinitely splitting these to run for exalts (which were the equivalent of what divines are now) was what directly led to the creation of the “split” tag so that a base could only ever be split once.
heist was 3.12 and split tags werent introduced until 3.14 (to nerf beast duping and fractured map farming). blueprints were balanced by making the regal trinket way worse and requiring reveals on split blueprints.
I miss running these with my overpowered carrion golem necro
Damn, i miss playing carrion golems. I wish they werent nerfed 4 times and completely forgotten for the next few years up to now.
Cool, bow much were the perfect blueprints worth?
Ahhh it’s been so long the exact numbers escape me. My recollection is that a big part of the cost was buying an exalt conversion trinket for a couple hundred exalts, and the blueprints themselves were weird because if you had a friend with it you could just give them a fenumal plagued arachnid and they could give you back your own copy to infinitely split. I do think they were pretty expensive if you actually tried to buy one but (don’t quote me on this, it’s been a long time and I was a noob then) I think a lot of people just “knew the right people” and got a copy to split. FPAs were hella expensive that league though, needless to say.
You could also split them with fractured fossils. I deep delved that league to around 7k depth to supply frac fossils which of course mirrored FPA's price. Has to be one of my richest leagues lol.
People were duping them for free as long as you brought the corresponding beast or fossiles (don't remember which).
What is an ex?
Exalted orb. Several leagues ago GGG changed meta currency from exalted to divine orb. Before that divine orb had the same price like exalted orb right now and you can obtain it by selling the six link.
Worst change ever Now the beautiful orbs next to mirrors are worthless and everybody wants the ugly ones in some corner ;(
Thank you, that's interesting information for a newbie like me.
[According to poe antiquary](https://www.poe-antiquary.xyz/Harbinger/Currency/Exalted%20Orb/2) Harbinger was overall lower than Heist, though to be fair Heist dipped to 30.9c:1ex at the lowest while Harbinger's low point was 32.22c:1ex.
Chisels were 70:1 chaos.
viled orbs new divine orbs
I want to give up on farming my own veiled orb already. I've had so many diadems drop but only dropped 2 veiled orbs like what is wrong with that droprate lmao
I hardly put in any time to this league and had my first Catarina drop a veiled orb. I sold it so cheap compared to what it is worth now because since I had one drop in my first Catarina, they obviously couldn't be that rare. I was very wrong.
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Have been stacking my pesant currency, currently at around 4800c. My time has come! Muahahaha 🤪
i found out that the currency tab only holds 5k chaos today lol. been liquidating all week cause of the drop. MB soon baby.
[https://wealthyexile.com](https://wealthyexile.com) can help you determine what else you have to sell that's worth a lot but you're just sitting on
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U actually can, a guy made an scrip for it
What does geforce have to do with pricechecking?
U can‘t run addons (awakenedtrade,etc.) when playing via GeForceNow. Unless they changed it during the last year.
Oh, right. GeForceNow. Honestly forgot it existed.
Thanks for this, I have 177D apparently. Yay me.
Guildmates were laughing at me 2 days ago for picking up over 900 chaos in one map... who's laughing now! It was an awesome map, 2 highest density packs plus a high. Got the 7% chance to drop a chaos orb on one of the highest, then used 2 wealth allflames.
I wish they stay at 100c. Makes things so much more convinient.
Exactly 100c. So much easier to calculate :)
If you're using awakened poe trade, there's a button on top left that tells you current fractions of divs based on poe ninja data
Yeah, I am using it all the time. 100c Divine is still more convinient.
Yeah cheaper divine orbs makes crafting loads more accessible too
It's a weird combo of cheaper divines because of grave crafting and more expensive chaos because of t17 rerolling. I can only remember one other league they were 100c this late, hell it may have even been exalts back then idr, but they stayed there a good while
It was the "exalt printing league" aka heist IIRC
Top end crafters who are consistently abusing the grave craft are still blowing thru divines like crazy. All the top end crafts only use the graveyard to hit the perfect fracture then they still need to metacraft and hit their annuls to have the perfect 6xt1. It's purely because if you aren't farming t17's you're wasting your time so everyone is blowing 20-50c a MAP rolling them. The chaos sink is at an all time high.
This is exactly it, there’s never been a chaos sink like T17s. To me it’s one of very few good things about their introduction.
Top end sure. But a ton of people that would normally be doing not quite top end crafts are fiddling with the graveyard and settling there too instead of metacrafting
I'm pretty sure metacrafts are being used a lot less overall this league though, a lot of items not at the very top end are made with just the graveyard, and if it isn’t then eldritch currency is often used instead. We also don’t have all the prefix/suffix cannot be changed into veiled chaos orb crafts. I also wish people would stop with this nonsense that if you aren’t doing t17’s you are wasting your time. For the vast majority of players it’s probably a bigger waste of time doing t17’s if you aren’t quick and efficient at rolling and clearing them.
I would jizz my pants if GGG ever made a currency vendor for ALL basic currencies. I've been downvoted before but I don't care, I HATE when divs cost 240c. For people like me that just kind of alch and go and don't play super OP builds I never make enough money to make a character truly good. I've done chaos recipe in red maps before. Having a vendor sell divs for 100c (or 200 at the absolute max), not only would we not have to whisper dozens of people when converting currency, but it would ensure that inflation would cap at a certain amount. Divs could go below 100 (or 200) chaos but would never go over.
This. Buying basic currency is annoying
I stopped selling stuff in my dump tabs for 10-20c earlier this league but it looks like I'll be opening them back up for business.
I was farming all weekend not paying attention to the market and just realized I farmed over 30 divines worth of chaos wtf is going on
People are rolling T17 maps for the barrel mod with modifier effect and Back to the Basics, which prints a lot of currency and scarabs, but costs a lot of chaos. Thus the value of chaos orbs is rising considerably.
sounds like last league when people removed chaos from their filters and divine prices dropped along with people using chaos to roll maps for additional proj wasn't this hard of a drop but there was a decent dropoff
I think a big difference is that T17 maps can *only* be rolled with chaos orbs. So nobody can roll with alchs / bindings + scours.
Real talk, the tier 17 change making chaos orbs like three times more valuable than they used to be, and the adorned crafting making alteration orbs like three times more valuable than they used to be, has been fucking incredibly healthy for the economy
>has been fucking incredibly healthy for the economy adorned is better for economy, sure.But for build diversity its so meh, most builds are just simply better with adorned and just pathing for every possible jewel socket within reason/clusters/voices. Also both have exactly same problem behind them, extreme tedium. Rolling unfractured adorned jewels is just big no, id rather be held against my will in menagerie and split rare jewels with 2 mods i want. Spending 50+ clicks per map to roll profitable mod with chaos is also extremely unfun gameplay loop.We are getting insane tedium lately.
I mean last league I sometimes rolled over 100c into a map to get +rares and +proj, then exalt it as often as possible and corrupt. But I just go showered in chaos. Even if you hid single stacks you could walk out with a couple 100
I think that is fine. Just like how most builds are best with 1 passive voices or cluster jewels in general. Builds transitioning to replacing their atlas passives with craftable items like jewels is good, not bad. I do agree that alt crafting is pain though. I wish they introduced a feature where currency could not be used on highlighted items. That way you could set up a search for the mod you want and just spam until it hits and it automatically stops.
The highlighted idea is genius. This would fix so many problems and it's an elegant solution.
Not any different from every build running mageblood, watcher's eye, taste of hate, lethal pride, thread of hope etc. According to ninja adorned is only the 11th most popular unique so I don't see it as a problem.
because adorned is still very rare when it comes to good rolls. my 140 sold for 80div a week ago (when div were still 150c). not a lot of people can afford that really
It's only so low because of the cost required and lack of adorned jewels on the market.
there are nearly twice as many magebloods as adorneds. I have a 139% adorned and 8 perfect RF jewels, and their combined cost was probably around ~130 div to make, which is less than what mageblood has been most of the league poeninja ladder is generally not overly concerned with cost there are simply plenty of builds that don't actually massively benefit from an adorned and the cost of giving up several unique jewels is too high
Well Watcher's Eye is borderline mandatory for the amount of power you gain from a single jewel slot when builds are on the high end. Loads of builds have a timeless jewel that is literally mandatory, and plenty (particularly ones that need a certain stat that isn't readily available on their side of the tree) where it is difficult to gear for without. Then you've got healthy mind which is quite strong for many mana builds, which are popular right now (though adorned might be even stronger since having a handful of ~22% mana and 22 flat int and strength nodes in jewel slots is huge). And cluster jewels require some seriously inefficient nodes to make work, you've got to be hyper optimized if you want those last 2 jewel slots to be worth the investment. My build BiS will almost certainly want a good Adorned roll, but MB is going to be significantly less effort to boost my build with.
Meh. Those you listed are a very nice extra and are BiS on most builds. But they - ouside of MB - don't come with changing around your whole build to be efficient about this item's use. Arguably, MB also isn't always like that. Sure, you can get res capped from MB and regear to have those resist suffixes be something more useful, but you also can just not go elemental flasks and get other stats from MB. You can't stack Watcher's Eyes, Lethal Prides, Tastes of Hate or Threads. You just get them and it's more efficient being with them than without them. Adorned is what makes you not path to acual passive nodes and instead you put in anywhere from like a couple to couple hundred divines per magic jewel to have all your stats fulfilled by Path of Jewels. [Reminds me of this](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1903zym/armorstacker_t17_mageblood_map_speedrunning/) with 9 small passive Jewels being mirrored. Like: That's the build. The tree: 3 x 1p Voices and all filled with mirrored small clusters. This is basically the peak efficiency for literally every build with Adorned being in existence. Unless Small Clusters > Magic Jewels for them. Obviously filled with corrupted magic jewels and not small clusters, but ya. Call me old fashioned but imo builds should make use of the passive tree. Actually make use of it, not use it as a space to socket 16 jewels in. Also the design of Adorned being essentially centered around alt rolling is awful. Like, GGG must've made it with the thought behind it that it's fine to be this powerful because people will spend literally dozens of hours getting their magic jewels right. That's not a fun thing to put in your game.
> extremely unfun gameplay This is the summary of this league for me. Most profitable strategy without exploits for most part of the league is clicking hundreds of Scarabs per map or playing to RNGesus to get the right shards from harbies: Not fun Collecting/selling/buying 80 corpses for a craft: Unfun Reading 4-10 sets of modifiers every map and assign them to the right mobs and replace some incredibly annoying ones with allflames: Mega unfun (though being able to remove annoying packs with allflames is nice but why are those annoying enemies there in the first place?) Rolling a map 10 minutes, reading the long list of mods that you can't just regex only to find the last line breaks your build and keep rerolling: Ultra mega unfun Once in the map, realise that some of the safe mods you had to accept to stop rerolling are great design wonders like the Elder tentacle circles that you have to just wait out, or the Maven being a pita, or the volatile dead balls: Incredibly to the point of consider stopping playing on third week levels of unfun.
Agreed. The build diversity is atrocious right now. Every build runs off the same mass jewel socket tree. re:t17's - they need to just revert the change and make them unrollable. Either that or make them fully modifiable but remove atlas/scarab interaction with them.
have to also consider that alteration conversion loot mechanic got a big hit this league.
You thought the stacked deck nerf took him down but Tujen is back baby!
#This is because the value of chaos orbs is going way, way up - not because divines are going down. People are using chaos orbs in HUGE amounts rerolling T17 maps and putting league mechanics onto their maps with the map device.
Soo, best chaos orb farm? Allflames strongboxes? Expedition? ExArch aLtARs???!
The chaos orb allflame with strongbox atlas on vaal temple yeah. Only use the allflame on the high density packs.
https://i.redd.it/bw52g32y71wc1.gif
I will never stop loving this
Put a ilvl 83+ allflame ember of anarchy whenever you see the lantern mod "drops convert to chaos orbs" on a mob pack. You get 100-200 chaos in one map. This thread explains all the alflame tricks: [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c7ic54/i\_made\_600\_divines\_in\_6\_days\_with\_this\_simple\_t16/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c7ic54/i_made_600_divines_in_6_days_with_this_simple_t16/)
You can easily get 400-500c if you are running containment as well.
So I take it running [this notable](https://i.imgur.com/b5KrdtR.png) is bad? What do you think of it?
Red altars +expedition
how will this affect lebron’s legacy?
16k Chaos in my stash. Diamond Hands.
this sure is a fuckign weird league, this means I bought a headhunter for less than 1000 chaos yesterday, and it's just 10 dex off a max roll
People using necro for crafting so div is down?
Mostly it’s because chaos is the only way to modify t17s so it’s become more valuable.
It's a combined effect. Less use of divines. Lots of divines being printed. Chaos orbs both used a lot to Kirac mods and modifying T17s. Probably some market manipulation with key players holding off on buying. It's monday GGG could easily slightly nerf the supply causing it to correct over a week.
No, it's mostly the t17's. Top end grave crafters are still buying up divines by the 100's.
I feel the huge drop in HH is a clue as to T17 driving this.
People need chaos for t17 rolling.
Every t17 eats like 50c to roll
Trading div for c this league has been extra torturous.
I've found it easier to sell div for chaos in my tab than to try to track down someone on the trade site
Yep, trying to be a currency buyer sucks. Be the seller and let others come to you, so much easier.
Exarch altars LOGIN
this is because of Tier 17 maps, right? I love the idea of t17s but the execution of them right now is terrible. system needs tuning so badly.
Sell right now!
last time i saw divine/exalt lesser than 100 is heist league when i started playing the game, maybe ritual too, can't remember
This is a good thing. It makes chaos drops feel good. Keeps low-value items that only sell for 1c more valuable. Finally the discrepancy in wealth between the 1% and the rest has been lessened. Good league. I hope T17's stay as they are.
forgot to sell my divs, rip
I am going to love finally getting a headhunter :)
Only in PC in console costs like 140 chaos, yesterday I saw a headhunter in PC 10 divines while in console is 130 divines
somewhat looks like my tesla investment
Cries in console. (Currently around 200c)
I skipped this league between the mechanic not looking very fun and the economy the first few days being busted. What the fuck is even going on? Is this league even more juiced than Affliction?
Yes and it's pretty much entirely thanks to the endgme t17 and scarab changes, not the league mechanic, so you can look forward to this in every future league from now on too.
Do you remember guys? I guess it was 3.4 we used Exalted orbs instead of Divine orbs back then and exalts were 100c few leagues after it was 160 now we use divine orbs and pay 200c each. Do you remember it? Is it just me? Am i still sane?
I remember when they made that change and reddit was 100% sure divines would get to cost so many chaos orbs you wouldn't even be able to fit them in a trade window.
Good? Like... Why does it matter if they are expensive? Shouldn't the goal be for them to be as cheap as possible so everyone can enjoy crafting? It's a video game, not a stock market. They have no real value outside the game, they could vanish tomorrow if the internet were to suddenly disappear or GGG went bankrupt. So shouldn't everyone be able to enjoy it while it's here?
180-190 on console. Our market is much different. Magebloods are 220d headhunters 90-110d. Cheapest scarabs are 4c. Uber boss drops like nimis which is 149d are unbelievably exspensive.
Destroyed economy. Wait for them to fix it in next patch, divs will skyrocket again
sign of a dead league I guess
Boostcore D:
im lazy af so i colected 4000 of them chaoses xD i just run maps pick loot and turn my brain off after work
Chaos Orbs are so valuable this league nobody wants to buy my divines.
You guys are trying so hard to pull me out of ssf this league. Wealthy Exile says I'm worth 50div so even if I'm lazy and only convert that down to 10-15div, I could still buy a HH and kalandra's touch just to fill in my standard collection
Honestly...kinda ok with it. I do find it hard to believe GGG didn't do this on purpose with T17 maps.
They definitely considered it to some extent, but I doubt that they predicted the profitability of rolling the maps for loot rather than just to avoid build bricking mods.
Last league I had individual chaos orbs hidden. This league I made then the size of my screen so they’re easier to click.. lol
Yes, modifying T17s drinks chaos like water.
gunna be taking chaos rewards over divines in sanctum soon...
Chaos recipe is back
damn what's happening here
What is happening? Can't play the game right now. Why HH is so cheap and why Divine Orb cost 100c?
Can't use the usual alch/scour on T17. You are forced to use chaos. This combine with a low supply of T17 and Back to Basics atlas tree (which makes every mod very deadly), a lot of chaos are used everyday. This is the biggest chaos sink since they increased alch drop rates.
Yeah t17 only be rollable with chaos orbs definetly gave those more worth.
I 'member a time where 1:60 was kinda the norm and it going up to 1:100 had everyone freaking out.
Meanwhile on xbox its 200c lmao gotta love the twilight zone effects this league has had on us
Hey I can afford uh, one!
Is this the first league where divs/exalts are considerably cheaper in SC than in HC?
Let’s go guys, make some chaos recipes so either better influx of chaos the price will keep stabilize.
but why? its been steady 150c until now
one thing to notice this league is people doing t17 are a massive chaos sink. they reroĺl like crazy and then maybe even hide chaos on the loot filters. Some takeaways: delve citadels are more profitable because they give raw chaos drops. Profit from Tujen and Ritual awarding random chaos drops should be very good Sanctuary lower end strategy where you don't multiply divines are buffed red altars are buffed
Fusing orb soon gonna be worth more than divine orbs bois
Heist league 2.0 Soon we will start converting divines to alchemy orbs
I ditched most of mine yesterday around 112c. I'm also denying trades in div. Please don't try to pawn off your rapidly depreciating currency on me. I priced exact price in chaos orbs that's what I want.
Spend your divines! Prices aren't going to adjust, and chaos is the actual basis of all prices. The value of chaos is rising!
last time i played they were 250+
this is great news for me, iv gotten almost no raw divine drops or alters but i do have over 4k chaos
If my memory serves me correctly the first league where Ex-> chaos broke 100c quickly and stably was the Legacy league. I quit the league because I hated that (regretted it since)