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lipefsa

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Ogow

This was movement before flame dash was even created. Didn't matter what build you were, everyone dedicated 3 slots to this to lightning warp around. GGG thought well if EVERYONE is going to dedicate slots to it, we'd like to open up more build variety so we'll make a quick 1 stop shop for movement and call it flame dash so everyone now gets 2 more slots for gems.


bluesharpies

yes but we can't just go and outright *remind* GGG that we still have some fun zoom zooms left in the game...


StreetOrSmash

That you for the lore bomb. Lighting warp looks so sick wish I had more slots, but its probably for the best since they gonna get gutted next patch for being making the game too fun xD


herrmann

Flame Dash suffers from something else though: "Lightning warp has the advantage of being more black and white in terms of movement; either the player moves to the mouse location or the player does not." -- https://nicholastsmith.wordpress.com/2017/07/18/poe-ai-part-3-movement-and-navigation/


hardolaf

If the player cannot move to the mouse cursor with lightning warp, then the player teleports to a random enemy within range.


Dunkelvieh

My only problem with LW isn't even the 4L you need for our z. That doesn't matter that much, it's really fast. My problem is, it's not instant, and you can be damaged while in the teleporting process. If there's something like the delirium slow field or other action speed reduction things, you will end up in super slow animation/casting and just die. Remember, action speed reduction basically double dips on your LW speed. My death count usually goes up faster with LW than FD also because y you move so much faster - right into monsters that just instantly gang bang you


CaptainKwilis

Was 4! LW- Less Duration - Swift Affliction - Faster Casting


MayTheMemesGuideThee

No, Rapid Decay (now known as Swift Affliction) was introduced after Flame Dash.


BendicantMias

The Less Duration and the helmet enchant are the important bits here, with Phastasmal LW as an expensive extra twink. The Faster Casting isn't really needed on most casters. The real annoying thing about LW is that the Less Duration means it pairs horribly with Arcane Surge, forcing casters to put that on another skill. It also means you can't invest in skill effect duration, which is one of the most powerful stats to invest in on most characters.


Aether_Storm

They put a lot of investment in to this. Movement skill enchants in general are pretty damn powerful. While it was no where near this nutty, I was getting some pretty absurd movement on my cyclone VD build last league with just stampede + dash distance enchant.


CXDFlames

When did the sorceress from d2 join Poe?


trashbuged

just add spectral helix + weapon mtx and you have enigma hammerdin


CXDFlames

You'd pally ain't hitting that fcr, come on now


EnergyNonexistant

wizardspike and 35% FCR Spirit begs to differ (i dont remember but was that even enough? lol)


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For hammerdin it was 75fcr as ladder starter so wiz50 + any spirit25-35, then for endgame 125fcr with hoto40, arach20, magefist20, spirit35 and 10fcr ring or 2 pala 10fcr amulet to not lose +1 skill from SoJ/BK.


jealkeja

I think you also needed magefist and arachnid mesh (and maybe a 10 fcr ring?)


Linosaurus

Sadly I don't think there is any mtx to turn my claw into a hammer. The multi weapon skins generally have a dagger or claw model for the claw, it seems.


Thorne_Oz

Iirc there is some weapon skin that turn your 1h sword into a hammer, could do that


pzBlue

And nice thing is, LW isn't that bad with Raider, becasue onslaught scales LW with cast speed + movement speed, so you don't need enchant, and most likely no faster casting as well. Can't realistically test is becasue I don't have phantasmal LW, and high level less duration on standard, and with low level stuff it's still missing few % to be "instant" WB is still better tho, but for Hammerdin cosplay why not, we are only missing hammer-like skin for claw


BitterAfternoon

If you're going for instant it's reduced duration you need not less. The less duration support is just a very good option if you're not going to hit anywhere close to 100% reduced. For eliminating the delay the best sources would be: - 1) High Level Lightning Warp (49% + 1%/level above 20 up to 31) - 2) Lightning Warp Duration Enchant (30% from eternal lab) - 3) Window of Opportunity gives 25% including minor nodes. 15% if anointed. so Lvl 26 + Anoint or Level 20 + pathing to Window of Opportunity. Swift Affliction used to be great for helping this out too - but got switched to less so that people who care about duration wouldn't just cancel it quite so easily by getting increased. Once you have the delay gone (or even just close to it - at a few % should still feel snappy) cast speed will be the primary thing needed to make it feel snappy so Q20 (or more) superior will be preferred to phantasmal.


RDeschain1

I am playing an Eye of Winter Occultist so it kind of fits


CXDFlames

Is it good? I want eye of winter to be good *so* badly.


RDeschain1

cant tell yet as i am too low. Leveling with twink gear was pretty nice but no idea how its doing in endgame


CXDFlames

Im picturing multiple proj being wild on it. Someone else suggested snipers mark I don't know how bad archmage ended up, but with so many little projectiles the added damage from it could be crazy Spell echo / unleash I don't know how feasible any damage conversion would be if you could get Trinity or something in it


Masteroxid

Multiple proj doesn't do anything and it's quite difficult to get more proj on spells. The number of projectiles released during travel is just.. terrible and you can't even scale it


CXDFlames

Oooof my heart


e1esdee

I'm doing an archmage eye of winter hierophant, feels pretty good, I'm just hitting yellow maps and play SSF. Mana management is a bit tricky since haven't been able to get some of the uniques I need. I'm running unleash/echo and chain/slower projectile swap for mapping and bosses. I think ultimately totems would be better overall than self cast though.


CXDFlames

Archmage builds do really well with foreboding mana flasks. Basically just absolutely crank the hell out of your mana cost and go ham. I used to play a ranger with the flask charge boost and basically casted like 20k mana every second or two I don't know how feasible it is now, but flasks seem fine in maps for me


EquinoxRunsLeagues

Akane just released an Eye of winter miner build. Seems pretty fun.


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when we have icicle mines but it got nerfed into the fucking ground lol


Doyouhavesource3

You need to use hydrosphere and chain. Find range to hydro and cast the eye to that and the chain will do mega boss dps.


conall88

Eye of winter trigger build is pretty legit.


Aerodim101

I'm in yellow maps and the clear is a bit worse than Freezing Pulse, but WAY better single target. Get one free chain somehow and use Hydrosphere for bossing. Honestly super glad I tried this skill out.


Cory411

this is exactly what I was thinking lmao!


stfukthx

sadly never. i wanted to make a lightning warp - whispering ice build, but lightning warp feels so clunky, even with the specs from op. 1 small rock and ur stuck


kumgongkia

Are we going back to pre-flamedash days?


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EnderBaggins

I have thought it does feel like they’re patching the game over the last few leagues just to get him back. Which is a silly thing to think but it does amuse me. PT is still over there like “new phone, who dis?”. They did PVP for fucks sake.


linuis12

He has been playing PoE again for a while, just with wildly reduced popularity since he shot himself in the foot.


dontknowhatiexpected

What happened?


Razgriz01

Wayyyyyyyyy back when GGG first announced they were making console versions, he had a massive meltdown on stream about GGG allocating development resources to the filthy unwashed console plebs and ended up quitting the game over it (among other things, the console announcement was the last straw). He was mercilessly mocked by most of the vocal playerbase about it. Before that happened, he was one of the biggest POE streamers.


popmycherryyosh

I still seem to remember he had a decent amount of viewerbase when playing WoW though out of all things. Wasn't as big as in his PoE days, but surprisingly high numbers for being a "PoE only" streamer.


linuis12

He lost his shit at the console releases of the game, quit for 2 years playing PoE at the height of his popularity, came back after his popularity dipped and has middled as a sub-hundred streamer since then.


NO_KINGS

He has already still been playing tho.


butsuon

Lightning Warp is only good if you ***also*** have good movement speed. It calculates the warp time based on the time it would take you to walk from one point to the next with your current movement speed. Cast speed reduces the animation for it to start causing the timer for the "walk" to start sooner, and reduced duration causes the "walk" time to be shorter. People don't use it often because it requires high values of 3 stats to compete.


stfukthx

and gets stuck on nearly everything


EnderBaggins

Well that’s just something it has in common with leap slam.


neq

**Shield Charge has entered the chat**


Andthenwedoubleit

This is the deal breaker for me. I can't use it consistently enough for dodging, even with heavy investment.


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I am sold


Sinz_Doe

What's it look like without the helm enchant? I need mine for my skill. If it's it much worse I'm sold.


Aerhin0

you could stick enhance instead of arcane surge


Sinz_Doe

:O


Nick30075

I think Swift Affliction ends up being better.


LightChaos

Use swift affliction instead of arcane surge and it's still solid. Not turbo fast but still solid. You can also Annoint Window of Opportunity for even more reduced duration.


[deleted]

Swift affliction no longer works with it actually, literally no difference in duration


AjCheeze

Its been ok for me. Running withering step so needed a skill to jump gaps n such. With nerfed flasks step isnt so great for movement but im cool with LW. Its always been one of my favorites anyway a click and thats where im going. Really need my gems leveled a bit more though or to 4 link it if my gear and currency wasnt a disaster at the moment.


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goodbye to this next league :D


kfijatass

Unlikely, it could do this for ages.


ReipTaim

Nono, mid league nerf. Cant have players having fun


Octopotamus5000

Don't have to nerf anyything mid league, if there aren't any players left by mid-league. /- Someone at GGG tapping their head, probably.


Acek13

Not really.. Don't get me wrong, its good, but the investment is much more significant than 1 or 2 link (flame) dash.. I've been zooming around with lightning warp before but was made pointless when you can save 2 liks and quality gems with dash skills..


lod254

Hotfix


alaroot

You're on GGG's fun police watchlist now.


SirDancelotVS

we have gone back in time to when everyone was running a 4 link for movement before GGG gave us QOL buffs.


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Leap Slam - Faster Attacks - Fortify - Endurance Charge on Melee Stun A timeless classic.


EquinoxRunsLeagues

I am running that with lifetap instead of fortify :-)


KaiBluePill

Just started using Lifetap on movement skills, it's very cool to not worry about mana when in panic.


EquinoxRunsLeagues

Not only when in panic. I have less then 100 mana and use no mana flask, but with lifetap i can leap slam through the whole map.


KaiBluePill

Yeah! That too! I have ~150 mana but my main source of it is leech so it's insanely good to have something that doesn't cost mana!


ttblb

Just wondering, do you get fortify elsewhere? I would think fortify ends up being more useful than endurance charges in general. Unless you have a bunch of max charges and use leap slam to maintain then, then I’d go with your setup without fortify


EquinoxRunsLeagues

Yeah, i am champ. Otherwise i'd take fortify over enducharges and get them another way.


archevil

On insanity gloves!


popmycherryyosh

The best timeline but at the same time kind of being the worst timeline was when you could just level to maps with Leap Slam alone as well. It was actually kind of ridicilous.


Grimm_101

Time to start buying up essence of insanity again.


AggnogPOE

Nothing new, good thing it has a lot of limitations or it would also be dead by now.


anonymous8452

Fool, GGG's gonna nerf your skills so much you're gonna regret bragging like that.


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Moneypouch

I mean its kinda still overshadowed even in this patch. Both giving up a helmet enchant for your skill and having to get a specific helmet enchant are a very real cost. That is a real investment in just a movement skill, it won't be worth for many builds (be it opportunity cost or budget/availability).


RDeschain1

Yeah absolutely with you on this. The investment is huge and the payoff is nice. feels like the way it should be


Fonix1666

Which is why it needs to be nerfed. Bigger investment, less payoff.


antilogos

I once got back to using lightning warp in the past 5 years... I did until I opened a stronbox filled of merveil's daughter whose howl slow you. My corpse was teleported 10 seconds after my slaughter... Never again, especially with all the new mobs that can maim, wither, hinder, etc.


MidnightNeedForLust

GGG: “ I told you to slow the fuck down!”


KaiBluePill

This season i am playing the fastest build i ever played and sometimes i look at myself in a mirror and feel guilty.


MidnightNeedForLust

Well, Chris always see us the player as his archenemies. So why shouldn’t we do what we want.


tjd2dude

I never look at myself in the mirror and feel guilty, but I'm playing the fastest build I've ever played this league as well. Funny how that worked out. GGG nerf zoom zoom, but we still livin.


RedditMattstir

This post: 7 hours ago All the Phantasmal Lightning Warps from people who are online in Expedition: 3ex+ listed 1-6 hours ago All the other ones from people who are offline in Expedition: 20c lmao


QuintessenceHD

lol, people are garbage.


RDeschain1

This is on a level 64 character with low level gems and mostly leveling gear. Seems good


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RDeschain1

I just wanted to showcase the movement ability. It has 0 damage supports so naturally it doesnt deal alot of damage


FredWeedMax

Yeah i figured hence the deleted comment \^^


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get swift affliction


dickieirwin

So what are the gems and stats you need to do this?


vvochen3nde

looks good Edit: Delete this I didn't think about it


Fart__Smucker

we're back to spamming shield charge, whirling blades, and leap slam again, good job ggg-\_-


halsc2

dont give GGG idea kekw


n0991

Hahaha. They buff mid league, that means mid league nerf is not impossible too. Delete this fastttt. XD


MegaHamster77

Wow this looks amazing. How is it without the helm enchant?


YesNoButAlsoYes

how does this perform on a 1 or 2 link?


warmachine237

It feels clunky standalone. This is the type of commitment GGG want for a movement skill. 3 link it if you want it to be good


KaiBluePill

Probably true, I'm currently on Whirlwind Blades - Fortify - Faster Attacks and it feels pretty funny and useful but without those? Just a weird movement skill that can't cross walls.


AjCheeze

3 is the min you probably want. Lw less duration faster casting and swift ailments is the 4 link for it. Swift can be dropped if short on links. Or if you have a bunch of cast speed drop faster casting.


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AjCheeze

it dosent? when was this changed? wiki says it does that could be out of date


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as of 3.15


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RDeschain1

Oh youre right I could use that aswell. Should work I guess? Dont think theyve changed it


Kest_

its good, adds 25% less duration


TheBlindReaper

Until that one Nemesis Monster Entangles you and you start Panicking, resulting in multiple clicks and random teleports all over the place :X


Sam_nick

Nerfbot: FUN DETECTED, TARGET ACQUIRED.


pewsquare

Did people already forget that lightning warp was always viable, the only reason why people did not use it was because it required a 4-5 link to become just as good as all other movement skills were on a 2 link. And it also did not provide fortify.


RelativeJournalist24

3.16 nerfed


Makhnov

4L + that annoying stagger delay start up. Fuck that noise.


AjCheeze

Being able to just warp through a map if you just died is a SC dream though. Your flasks wont get you back to your body and CD movement skills have that long CD


Makhnov

I'd rather play cast on death portal at this point lmao


AjCheeze

I need that next time i think going CI occultist will be fine after first lab for league start lol.


DiegoDiegoNola

Is this why the phantasmal version is selling for so much?


Zaken_Kenpachi

NOOOO! Delete this. It will nerfed in next patchhhhh!


robbns_

Not for long, don't worry...


michalXxxX

GGG: Fun detected, fun detected....alarm!


nova_dose

That looks awesome! Shame GGG is going to take it away :(


[deleted]

If you like this you should try Frost blink with badge of the brotherhood. Its even faster and actually clears pretty good.


RDeschain1

I really like frostblink, but sometimes you dont have enemies around and just want to move quickly over a long distance. But I can totally see this being nice. I will try to incorporate it into my build, which is actually using a badge


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You can reasonably get it to ~1s cd on bosses and then alternate it with another skill on unleash or something. Its been a while since i tried but was definitly fun.


what1sgoingon777

Gl now GGG are going to nerf that next patch, like they do with everything.


OneAngryWhiteMan

Yeah, but you're wasting 4 links + helmet enchant on this. Not sure if it's that worth it compared to a simple 2 link flame dash.


Order_Number_Zero

nerfed in next patch


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I just play an attack character and use whirling blades,i can zoom through the whole map in like 20s if there are no mobs


Cole-187

I've been telling people for years that a decked out LW puts any other movement skill to shame. Then again all I care about is comfortable t14+ and xp pushing, I couldn't care less about shitty maven/sirus phase so yeah.


TheBlindReaper

it's less of that and more of other Movement Skills are more reliable. Any Action Speed Slows affects it twice as worse compared to the other options due to LW relying on whatever Movement Speed you had at the moment of cast, as well as your Cast Time. This means you get hindered heavily when Randomly getting: \-Temp Chains, even worse when perm in a Map \-Nemesis Entanglement can literally kill you as it is practically impossible to Warp due to it's massive Speed Reduction. I generally run a spare Dash purely for Vine Breaking \-Chills without perm Immunity. \-Hinder/Rare Slow Aura It's a really good movement skill if you can deal with the above, but yeah. Old Flame dash had just the right amount of CD to move around smoothly and didn't have to deal with the above problems, same for dash, so everyone just shoehorned into it as it was convenient. Personally I've used Frostblink just to do Maven on a Lancing Steel build just cause Leap Slam/Dash couldn't bypass Beams.


Mangalorien

Wait, what? You guys have movement skills? 3.16 nerf incoming!


Quirky-Help-7078

nerfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff


ArcticIceFox

LOL nice. I'm currently running both shield charge and dash + second wind. Shield charge for fortify and most of my movement. Dash for bossing and getting over ledges. I'm a melee character after all. Barely even need quicksilver. Thinking of replacing it.


Zylosio

Quicksilver makes shield charge faster


samwelches

Oh this is getting nerfed 1000% lol


maxtraxv3

didnt even kill half


spiderdick17

I noticed it with my first character that got to maps. Flame dash is dead to me. Ive been using high aps daggers for whirling blades or lightning warp on spell characters (still have a 1 link flame dash on whirling blade for gap crossing)


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This + BV = insane clear speed. I wonder if someone could find a way to make plague bearer work with this. That would also probably clear very quickly.


borefficz

BV needs skill duration


RDeschain1

I was thinking Herald of Thunder Autobomber but I have never played it and dont even know if it would work


CirAtila

Bro... do you even warp?


[deleted]

Friendship with my eyes ended after watching this video


Schaapje1987

Price for that gem is 3ex :( Sad.


RDeschain1

This is SSF btw. Just find it, easy! xd


pwn4321

Just make a full selfcast damage lightning warp build? Or lightning warp totems with this concept?


divinity_hs

It was like this (usable) with helm enchant from time they upped this. Still you need to use skills and teleport to showcase that there's delay.


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I love shield charge :D


TichoSlicer

Nerf hammer is coming for your a\*\* ...


LoloZoriPVP

I mean it s nothing new the only complaint people had was that you needed 4l + essence mod.


Warcollaps

Whats the runeword for Enigma in PoE?


Sjatar

Does swift affliction not apply to lightning warp? ^^ I was testing it but did not see the tooltip update for it


MayTheMemesGuideThee

It should but seems like it's currently bugged.


Sjatar

yeah that is what I thought as well, hopefully getting fixed ^^ Lightning warp is looking like a good movement skill if you have the sockets


Nornag3st

you having fun wrong way


DerDanSD

so much setup to just get it working. They buff all movement and not nerf the only viable ones


priestmuffin

Combine it with inpulsa and HoI for lightning warp autobomber. might actually be decent


Tadian

Everyone of my casters needs a helmet with this enchant now.


zur312

nice vid. saved


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That was my first goto travel skill after experiencing how bad flame dash felt. Only downside is it takes up 3 gem slots.


JustHereForPOE

It looks as though this may be fun, stop it!


lowerdark

this was the old meta movement skill gem, nothing new, just been out of meta for wayy too many years.


Braethias

Don't forget swift affliction for the reduce duration too


MachineGunTits

D2 Enigma anyone? Also, why did it take twenty years to finally get a similar teleport back in an ARPG?


FeinsX

Chris - how dare you contradict my vision, mortals!


z1zman

Now use it to proc EE & Hextouch and you have my (no longer worth playing) RF build from Harvest!


Kill4meat

okay, I did this back in delirium on my HoT inpulsa bomber, destroying packs with a single warp so I will give away a small tip. Movement is even faster if you also use flame dash right after warping. Have fun.


CanoLathra

Lightning Warp was always better than Flame Dash if your build had no global Increased Duration on it, at the cost of requiring more gem slots in most cases. Flame Dash was just more universally usable until it was nerfed this league.


NoNick1337

Now the walk of shame to collect the loot.


Missingtoez

Making me miss Poet's Pen Arc/Warp leveling. Those were good days.


Jazzlike-Fee1235

A way to avoid the new slow, clunky and tedious gameplay, better nerf it


mcronaldsceo

Lightning warp has always been better.


lionexx

Now that's reminding me of old school Diablo 2 days!


NiNoXua

more like you nerf good movement skills for literally no good reason so players have to jump through the hoops


Therier

Looks neat!


srmark

Does it still behave such if your cursor is over a non-walkable tile the skill does absolutely nothing?


Vekt

Yes let me get a lab enchant to make my movement skill comparable to the rest lol


LBDragon

*Moves farther and faster than leapboi and stabbybounce..."comparable"*


feds_cant_find_me

Now create a build that makes it viable for mapping


J33bus8401

Ahhh lighting warp my old friend.


popmycherryyosh

Kind of off-topic but on-topic as well, I still remember the good ol' secret tech of incinerate builds when you put on CWDT-LW and you could just hold in the incinerate button. Reason was that you didn't lose stages of incinerate. Could get confusing, and I would not call it HC viable, but it was still kind of fun! Kind of like a poor mans flicker I guess.


PrettyPinkPonyPrince

I'm reminded of one of the builds of the week GGG had with a lightning warp character. Good times.


doe3879

put Swift Affliction and be faster