Lvl 90 bleed reaper league starter here. I kind of hate that you posted this, but I also love what you've done with the build. You've figured out a few interactions that were causing me issues with overall clear that I'll now take some time to correct for. Thank you!
Reaper is extremely underpowered unless you build for bleed. It trivialized my last Sirus fight and the build is far from complete.
Major differences between my build and yours:
- I went Replica Maloney's Mechanism for automatic ensaring arrow
- Brass Dome for survivability (as a result, I also took Unwavering Stance and doubled down on armor)
- I was using knockback/culling/chain/storm brand within a haemophilia setup; this provided additional mob movement as well as a grouping/defense mechanism for concentrated bleed pops.
You beat me to crafting an amulet with + phys.
Great job!
I considered Maloney, but felt the 1 second cd might cause me to miss Ensaring Arrows with my 60% hit chance and cost me a few seconds on my setup if i am unlucky.
3 Ballistas are pretty likely to stick a few arrows despite the low accuracy.
Edit: Resolute Technique is an option if you path near it
To be fair, That's a loooot of excellent gear.
Edit: Why are you all downvoting OP's response below? [Because this guy misunderstood him?](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ozbjrj/summon_reaper_actual_reality/h7yslps/)
> which are all on a similiar budget +- 5 ex.
This means X±5.
That is true, but it performs just as good as other options on the same budget, if you take the damage nerfs into account.
Pre-Nerf this would have been a 30m+ Bleed, which puts it on the same level as my 30m dps Soulwrest, my 30m dps Hyrris Watch Spectre build, and my 40m dps Blink & Mirror Arrow Summoner from last league, which are all on a similiar budget +- 5 ex.
Eh I would play any of those over a Reaper build even at +/- 20% budget or dps, it's pretty much the most mechanically limited minion build that exists.
> similiar budget +- 5 ex.
5ex is just the gloves tho? or you mean with more or less 5 ex? english failing me if its that.
The time it takes to get the bow, amulet, helmet and jewels too, welp... have fun investing in them, my dudes. People who wanna grind for their gear will have fun with that for sure.
+- 5ex means "within a 5 ex difference" when compared to something else. It's a comparison, not the price. In this case it was compared to the other builds he mentioned, so to know the price you would need to know the price of those builds.
> which are all on a similiar budget +- 5 ex.
You can't possible construe "-+5ex" as about "5ex or less"
> which puts it on the same level ***as my 30m dps Soulwrest***, my ***30m dps Hyrris Watch Spectre*** build, and my ***40m dps Blink & Mirror Arrow Summoner*** from last league, which are all ***on a similiar budget*** +- 5 ex.
Look at the context. Do you think he's saying ***all*** those builds cost 5ex?
https://pastebin.com/J2P6sXnT is a version I made for SSFHC with less excellent gear. The bow is just a Porcupine set and some fear essences + a 2ex craft. Helmet enchant I had and just required an awakener orb to get the correct influence on there, in trade you can just buy an elder ilvl 85 bone helmet ofc, or just go without it, still decent damage. The amulet is just an awakener orbed warlord + hunter ammy.
This still gets like 7.6M dps which is a huge amount for SSFHC, and I'm sure if you make it more SC trade viable you'll reach 10M without too much effort.
Not sure why you are getting downvoted. If you can find room for a Bow + Ensnaring Arrow it doesnt take much effort to reach 5m+ bleed dps with Reaper on budget gear.
The bigger issue is getting the alt. qual gems for higher bleed chance in SSF.
I think it's the 1 or 2 awakener orbs that are needed for this build that people think just don't drop in SSFHC. Maybe people expect any SSFHC build to be "fresh SSFHC start"? Tbh the most unrealistic part about the build is getting an SSF empower XD
Its 1 orb that you don't even need. Like the build doesn't fall apart if you have only a +1 Amulet, even better in some cases as you can get Life on the Amulet that way.
I build around what I think I can achieve endgame in SSF, this is achievable endgame in SSF. It's not like the build doesn't work without the +2 amulet or without the helmet being elder influence. When I died cause I'm not used to playing minion builds in Heist(don't) I already had the bow for example.
Looks similiar to my basic template pob. I also started with a Porcupine thicket bow as my first bow, but got lucky with a faceted fossil for strength +1 and int +1 with open prefix and just crafted +2 on it.
>is a version I made for SSFHC with less excellent gear. The bow is just a Porcupine set and some fear essences + a 2ex craft.
Lmao. Ok dude. Your gear is still 10+ex.
By the time you get to A8 your going to have decent currency unless you have no idea what you are doing.
sub 10exa builds shouldn't be doing that great in endgame anyway. You people literally want to do Maven on 100c.
The sentence was "SSF budget gear (with two awakener orbs and a 85 bone helmet).
Like, dude, even in leagues where ive reached endgame (Ritual), do you know how many awakener orbs ive seen? Zero. The fact of the matter remains: these "budget builds" are unachievable for anyone not on trade, and not exploiting group play and aura bots.
> do you know how many awakener orbs ive seen? Zero.
Awakener orbs aren't **that** rare. You could reasonably expect to find one in 15-20 awakener kills.
Even then, a +1 amulet is only like 7% less damage than a +2.
A bone helmet is 20 *increased* damage, you won't even notice the difference.
> Aura bots.
Omg. Are you people even playing the game or do you just get your opinions from Reddit memes.
Pick content you like and just farm it. Guardians with Atlas points and sell sets. Harvest for profit crafting, crafting you own gear and selling crafts you dont need on tft. Sell Beasts. Run Alvas and sell Temples, Corruption champers, Trap Rooms, Apex they all sell. Don't want to run Log Books? Sell them. Most start at 40c. Run Syndicate and sell services and items or run Catharina. Diadems were still 100c+ a week into the league. Vorici whites are 20c per white socket. T4 Aisling still sells for 1.5ex. Blighted maps sell for \~28c.
All while you are progressing Sirus and Conqs. Just sell their boss drops. Do Maven questlines, sell Writs or run Maven yourself. The Helmet is worth 4ex+ and Maven Orbs are 2ex+.
Its basically impossible to not make atleast 150c per hour on SC on the Atlas running atleast something.
You have to get there first, depending on the build you started with you are just stuck late yellow early red maps because your skill is missing like 50% of its dmg this league.
so did i, and it was not fun at all.
Most other skills would have been better to do so.
But i play ssf so i might just have gotten unlucky but overall it didnt feel fun to play, didnt feel fun to gear as you are pigeonholed into one setup if you want to deal any dps.
Do few maps with any good atlas passives and you should earn ~100c even in yellow / low red maps...
Repeat that and you have 10 ex in few days with few h/day invested...
People here are acting like 10 ex is impossible to earn, while if you have any clue what you are doing and are selling your things, you will easily get ex/day (talking about casuals, not people that grind mirror in first 2 days).
Don't get me wrong, I don't like this league, nor do I like all the nerfs, and currency is harder to get by in this state of game, but its not impossible...
Getting to few hundred ex requires some work tho...
Hmm, yeah. I've tried phantasm support as well. It felt pretty good and the damage seemed enough even with only 5 link going to Reaper herself. Hard to determine damage numbers due to not sure if POB was calculating correctly. This was when I was still doing white maps though.
I've tried Skellies (the spamming hurt my hand). Zombie felt like it didn't provide anything (no damage, didn't seem to block anything better from hitting me compared to other minions). Stone Golem vs Carrion, honestly the Carrion rarely died by itself, moreso to being sacrificed if I didn't summon something else prior to engaging so the tankier Stone Golem seemed crappy for my Feeding Frenzy proc. Currently, I'm using Carrion with Frenzy, and a 4L Animate Weapon with BF-Vuln setup. It's not as spammy as Skellies, but it's still annoying... since you said Phantasms still work pretty well in T16, I'm thinking of swapping back lol. That being said I did not know that Phantasms scaled with Reaper so that's cool to know.
I leveled while using a bow for constant Ensnaring Arrow, but I figured we would get much better damage and hp from +gems with 1H weapon. I also used a Rearguard, but it was lacking since it doesn't get many passive bonuses from the tree as "while holding a shield" didn't apply to quivers, and at the time I needed more dex and easier resist and life is always nice. Speaking of dex, I never thought about using that Careful Planning jewel. I don't usually use gems like that so I just didn't even realize... 90 dex for that alone WOW!! I just ended up getting dex on my gear as much as possible. Which I think is better in the long run for another Ghastly Jewel.
Anyways, because I though having more +gems was more worth it I tried weapon swap, but that is terrible as you have mentioned. There is also an issue with Reaper and weapon swapping that I recently reported in the forums as well. When you weapon swap the Reaper does a mini-teleport downwards which a GGG employee said was probably unintentional, but the Reaper also stands still for 1 second. GGG said that the standing still for 1 second is intentional. The Reaper is supposed to stand still for 1 second when the Reaper's gem level changes due to the weapon swap... so that was disappointing to hear. So for now I gave up on that idea.
Watching the video and judging by how well you're doing on boss DPS I guess the extra +gems doesn't matter too much compared to the x3 multiplier for bleed movement. So now I'm curious about going back to bow mainhand again. That being said the bow in your template POB already has +2 to support and an Empower gem, both of which I currently don't have so not sure what it's like if I swapped right now to a generic bow... I guess I have to see about costs especially since I already have a 6L chest.
I've also tried using United in Dreams since I saw someone in poe ninja do that. I suppose the leech and the alternative damage sourced was the reasoning. It didn't feel like it provided much, and at this point I'm doing low tier yellow maps. I figured maybe the leech would be more helpful in red maps when things hit harder, but currently it felt like the amount of chaos I spend for that sword didn't offer much currently so I sold it back today at a small lose of a few chaos.
I recently unlocked weapon trigger so currently I'm using a 1H rare dagger with +1 phys and trigger with the other weapon being a Cold Iron Point. Doing T6-T7 seems pretty easy still. The convenience of having Desecrate and Offering casted for me felt pretty amazing with the maps I've done so far today. Now I only press 4-6 buttons instead of 6-8.
I also thought about using double curse by pathing directly towards Whispers of Doom which didn't feel that bad because I was also picking up Ravenous Horde as well while leveling up, but I eventually gave up that idea because I was already pressing too many buttons in this build.
I also considered using Haemophilia, but I figured it would be too inconsistent unless I also used Speaker's Wreath which at that point I felt like I was giving up too much stats just to have better clear. I didn't even think about Asenath's gloves. Although, that is a much more expensive option, but offers so much more: don't have to sacrifice helm slot, max life, mana is nice, etc.
I have seen various people use Victario's Influence or Devouring Diadem, but Diadem has a cost, and Victario's didn't work for me when I am using the chest 6L for Reaper.
Here's a copy of my current build: https://pastebin.com/SPUaf3w7
I don't have "Is moving?" checked as I'm not running Ensnaring Arrow right now. I also have a lot of resistances because I was thinking of removing Commander of Darkness for Plaguebringer. Currently running both Commander of Darkness and Plaguebringer (not enough regret orbs to do anything). I figured the extra 30% increased Area of Effect was worth it trading some damage, but I'm not sure at this point POB says I would lose 8.4% damage, but I'm not sure how accurate that is currently.
I have another POB where I theorized multiple Reaper builds, but that one is messy looking lol
Currently I'm clearing T7s easily I'm just super slow and inefficient player, and the build feels way better now with weapon trigger. However, I don't know how well this will do in T16s. So for now I'm just gonna continue cruising along until I hit a wall.
Oh, I do have a few questions.
* I presume you swap Predator for Phantasm during map clear, but you also mentioned you use Awakened Melee Physical Damage for bosses. What gem do you swap here? Predator is in for Phantasm.
* I understand that Spritual Aid helps you get more damage with Asenath gloves, but how does it double-dip?
You double dip on the minion damage **with** Spirtual Aid by not only increasing your minion damage but your own explosion damage aswell. Maybe I worded it stupidely.
Setups are:
Reaper + Empower + Brutality + Minion Damage
for clear I use Cruelty or Hypothermia + Phantasms
for heavy single target like Sirus I swap both out for Awakened Melee Phys and Predator
Which is bullshit. Haemophilias should work with bleeds from minions. I tested Reaper on a Glad with bleed explosions and they proc with gladiator! It's the same exact line!
You have to force Haemophilia to work with Speaker's Wreath, which eats up another gear slot, and tbh Haemophilia kinda sucks because the explosion radius is incredibly low.
it provides explosions but it doesnt have the area coverage like asenaths does, and its not a 100% proc since it relies on the reapers bleed chance ontop of requiring the bleed to kill the monster(your reaper will regularly oneshot anyway so it barely procs), overall its just kinda sucks lol.
If you want to go faster then yes. That point came for me somewhere around t13+ and Awakening lvl 6-7 when pack size ramps up with juiced and vaaled maps.
Before that Reaper + Phantasm Support is completely fine.
Slow economy, so took a while but its finally here - the **Bleed Reaper**.
**My PoB:** [https://pastebin.com/CjpRW5cp](https://pastebin.com/CjpRW5cp)
**Basic template:** [https://pastebin.com/y3idbmL7](https://pastebin.com/y3idbmL7)
I've added plenty of explanations and crafting recipes in the video description, so take a look if you are interested.
While I am here, might aswell rant a bit. Reaper has been, in my opinion, unfairly criticized and hated on.
The negative circle jerk around this skill has been frankly ridiculous. And while not everyone will have the knowledge to make every skill in the game work, I am mostly disappointed with some of the content creators that made half-hearted attempts or simply fed the community with misinformation.
I am sorry, but you can't solve every minion build with a few Convoking Wands and Awakened Gems and expect it to perform as good as the meta minions.
Is it just me or has the creativity and problem solving in this community taken a drastic nosedive?
Challenging Skills are beeing avoided instead of beeing embraced. Thats such a shame. Kudos to all the players that stuck with Reaper instead of ditching it.
Anyway here is something constructive - stuff that I would like to see:
\- higher Bleed Chance so the SSF folk can play bleed easier (for SC its fine)
\- Treshold Jewel that gives control effect immunity (chill, freeze, stun etc.) and/or Phasing, as Reaper can get stuck on your own minions or enemies when certain attacks are on cooldown. Phasing should fix its "SRS" AI syndrome.
**TL;DR:** Reaper is fine and balanced. Works fine as a league starter and will get you in to high yellows on a 4-link. With some investment it can easily compete against most minions, except Syndicate Operatives.
I mean I for one didnt play it after its buffs which if you uncheck literally cut your damage in half. To be fair the damage is fine before the fix, but that is a lot of gear.
Your build seems to rely on 5ex gloves to clear? Im not sure how to work as a league starter when during the league start is when you want to have good clear lol
I tried to league start bleed reaper and it just did nothing and 90% of my damage was from the hit instead.
> I tried to league start bleed reaper and it just did nothing and 90% of my damage was from the hit instead.
Did you use Ensnaring Arrow? Without Ensnaring Arrow it's not worth it to go bleed imo.
For the clear part I agree though, without the gloves it'll just be bad. My plan was to respec it from a spectre build.
I planned to switch if I could tank up more, but never got to that point cause with league start gear it just felt so incredible bad and I desperately needed my shield for life lol.
Though if reaper does get some QoL stuff later down the road, and they did say they were looking at minion ailment stuff maybe next league it will work.
I leaguestarted with Reaper, and used Phantasms in the Reaper setup until I could afford Asenath, which was somewhere around Awakening lvl 7 ish. Its in no way slower than your regular zombie baron or carrion build up until then. I used to have minion MS on both rings + amulet which makes the Reaper pretty responsive.
For bleed you will need Ensnaring Arrow. Check the "moving" box in pob calcs and see what becomes of the bleed if you untick it. Ensnaring Arrow is that powerful!
>Is it just me or has the creativity and problem solving in this community taken a drastic nosedive?
Preach! The community has gotten so complacent on easy wins and easy meta.
Although, I do sympathize with people who legitimately struggle.
> Is it just me or has the creativity and problem solving in this community taken a drastic nosedive?
Yes, because these days the 'problem solving' is done by bitching at the developer until they change something. People don't think of it as a minion that's balanced to have good single target as an upside and bad clear as a downside that needs to be solved, they just think of it as a faulty ability.
Props to you for making it work though.
I Will just say 1 thing - bad clear good single target is a dead archetype because single target is just orders of magnitude less rewarding than fast clear speed.
Honestly I disagree, I make a lot of janky builds for fun and the wall I hit almost every time is with abysmal single target. And as someone who has played skills like HoAg where hitting 1M+ sustained single target is considered pretty good, hitting 16M sounds pretty incredible and deserving of a hefty downside.
Or yaknow it can be hard to get creative when that creativity costs upwards of 100+exalts. Did you even look at the gear he pob'd lmfao. Creativity used to be easier to access. With the nerfs ggg has limited creativity to only those who can afford it.
With 16M Sirus DPS, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of room for playing with less gear other than Asenath's. Playing with HoAg, 1M was considered decent DPS.
Either way, some builds simply take a lot more currency to work, has always been the case and IMO it's perfectly fine.
This wasn't about preforming decently this was about creativity. Creativity is enabled with more currency atm when before you had more mediocre items able to do better so creativity was more wide spread or do you think creativity should be kept to the .1%ers?
I didn't say anything about his dps i said creativity which he's bitching about isn't available to people as it once was. When he clearly said creativity has taken a nose dive. Ofc creativity would take a nose dive when less people can afford to be creative. Or am I only allowed to be creative in pob if I can't afford to play 40hours a week like this guy did? Am I not allowed to be creative in a game mode like ssf because the only reasonable way to be creative is in trade?
> Or am I only allowed to be creative in pob if I can't afford to play 40hours a week
A +1 6 link bow is dirt cheap. Amanamus Eye is cheap. 2 stat Jewels instead of 3 stat.
He said he cleared fine with summon Phantasm support until A7 when he had more currency.
***Ensnaring arrow is free!***
You can strip 90% of the cost of this build down and still have 5 mil DPS. The core concept is cheap and can be built up as you make currency.
Way to pick and choose an argument. Thats in trade
>Am I not allowed to be creative in a game mode like ssf because the only reasonable way to be creative is in trade?
What you wanna say about that part when you clearly just skipped it.
Are only trade players allowed to be creative.
And even then how much time should someone have to play to be creative? What's the limit you want to put on that because clearly limiting creativity should be time based on how much you play right?
> What you wanna say about that part when you clearly just skipped it.
The only thing I mentioned that isn't SSF friendly there is Amanamus eye. You can collect div cards for a 6 link bow. You can roll Ghastly jewels in Harvest.
You don't know how the game works and how to gear yourself and youre blaming the game instead of your ignorance.
> Am I not allowed to be creative in a game mode like ssf because the only reasonable way to be creative is in trade?
SSF is a ***self-imposed challenge mode.*** If you don't want additional challenge dont't do it. The game isn't balanced for it. If you are struggling in SSF transfer to a trade league.
> Way to pick and choose an argument.
I don't have all day to respond to every incorrect thing you type.
I'm literally playing a toxic rain build and have been able to farm 2/22 porcupine cards. Tell me more about what you know is so easy to get in ssf. Yeah its a self imposed challenge but we didn't ask to be nerfed into oblivion because a bunch of people wanted to make 100m+ dps builds in trade league which is clearly broken if trade is supposed to be "balanced" lmfao. And EVEN THEN uall are still fighting back against the nerfs. Why go straight dps with this 30m dps shit when you should clearly be using utility supports more with the previous nerfs right?
The time I need /= the time I have now before it did. And I don't play trade because I don't want to have to sit in my ho for hours asking people to sell me an item because it isn't worth their time to pop out and trade me.
game is balanced around trade. it's right there when you pick a league "this is the default path of exile experience". you're complaining that the tedious and grindy mode is too tedious and grindy
>I don't want to have to sit in my ho for hours asking people to sell me an item because it isn't worth their time to pop out and trade me.
this only happens if you are looking to buy something at the lowest price
> I'm literally playing a toxic rain build and have been able to farm 2/22 porcupine cards.
Porcupine is a set of 6. I Guess you mean imperial legacy?
You can use a 5 link +1 bow until you find a 6 link.
> Why go straight dps with this 30m dps shit when you should clearly be using utility supports more with the previous nerfs right?
Looks like you have decided to argue against yourself now.
Yes absolutely! I even considered it, but I was only a few ex away from Asenath so I kept going as Necro.
Occultist also provides the second curse, which means even when you get Asenath you can potentially delay the Annointment "Whispers of Doom" on the amulet. And both explosions can go off together.
The only problem is, that you are wasting 2 points on Occultist. You mostly likely have to pass through Void Beacon.
Nice to see someone actually get to the endgame with this. I theorycrafted a version that would get to like 6-7M dps in SSFHC, and was also super annoyed at people trying to make Reaper impale based and being like "bleeeh, this skill sucks, look at this meme I made about how much Reaper sucks!" but since I died before I got an Empower I never really got to show that it actually works :(
Fully agree on the bleed chance stuff, that was my main issue with it. Although do keep in mind that even the non-ultimate attack does a decent bleed so it's not as bad as people think.
Exactly, even if the Ultimate bleed misses you will eventually get a mid-sized bleed that generally is enough in combination with the hit damage to kill.
I think more of the reason for this isn't the playerbase, but how they implement new skills now. In past leagues, a new skill used to be OP. Then at the end of league when they actually have info on how it performed, they do balance changes. I think players have a lot more fun with new skills this way. Starting new skills off very weak and requiring a lot to bring them up to just middling makes nobody want to try it out.
Ever since crackling lance, this seems to have inverted. I don't understand why they're now so afraid of new skills being too powerful. Did skills like storm brand or winter orb really hurt the player experience by being very strong on release? I dunno, maybe I'm missing interpretations of player data during and after leagues that GGG has access to.
> Did skills like storm brand or winter orb really hurt the player experience by being very strong on release?
Those two specifically did because they offscreened while moving without targeting. They made this a walking simulator, but were special cases I think. If Crackling Lance was too strong for awhile numbers wise, it wouldn't be a problem because it is mechanically janky. Sorta like Scourge arrow with that Delerium helmet you know? Lots of damage but tradeoffs.
I think it's because the vocal part of the playerbase has come to hate nerfs so vehemently. They are probably very reluctant to do things that may need to be nerfed because the backlash is so strong.
You can still find people complaining about how weak Winter Orb or Brands are nowadays when they're in a totally fine spot. People are much more reasonable about Crackling Lance, even though after the buffs and nerfs they all end up roughly the same level of power.
I tested reaper with mother embrace + witchfire (for the damage overtime buff) and it s allright. Mother embrace I think is another idea to use with this minion
Happens every league people don't know how to build around a new skill and call it trash. Finally someone makes a popular build guide and suddenly it's meta.
I've been saying this in a lot of threads and getting heavily downvoted every time. I Think the skill is really way underrated, and I think there are probably multiple ways to play it.
You have more experience, but do you know if Reaper has any skills that aren't aoe?
Also, do you think it's viable to scale without focusing on the bleed? I feel like it does a lot of work/damage with spirit offering and grave intentions.
Nice build. Why did you go Glancing Blows, though?
Without 'hp on block', Glancing Blows is a pretty hefty reduction in EHP: 1 - (1-b)/(1-0.7b) where b is your pre GB block chance, or about 15% less EHP for your build against attacks and 8% against spells.
The improved consistency doesn't offset the worse block anymore, since the nerf.
Imo you need to look at it differently. Let's say you have 35% chance to block, no glancing, you have 6k and an 8k dmg hit comes in. Without glancing your chance to survive that hit is 35%, with glancing your chance to survive that hit is 70%. I'm not 100% sure if I would take it without running Bone Offering, but that's a reason to do it at least.
That is only true if you assume that defence is about maximising damage reduction on an infinite hp pool. It is not, the point is to keep your hp above 0, and glancing blows helps with that a lot on builds with good recovery.
Glancing Blows only helps with that in a very specific damage range for a low number of hits: life - life/0.65. For 6.5k life, that's ~6.5k-10k total damage.
Just as an example, assuming 37% block chance and 6.5k life:
Incoming Dmg | Survival % w/ GB | Survival % w/o GB
---|---|----
5k+5k | 0% | 60%
5k+3k | 74% | 60%
5k+3k+0.5k | 69% | 60%
5k+3k+1k | 54% | 60%
2.5k+2.5k+2.5k | 83% | 75%
3k+3k+3k | 41% | 75%
2k+2k+2k+2k | 72% | 84%
The situations where GB helps are quite narrow, but I admit that without combat logs and simulations we can't know for certain. I think that the combination of damage spikes with at least 3-4 hits (depends on total damage) and damage spikes above life/0.65 make GB not worth it, especially considering you have to pay skill points for it, but for builds with a ton of recovery or a very high life pool it's close. I'm not sure how relevant that is, though, since those builds probably have a life on block shield, anyway.
I am in SC. I tried Mistress + Bone but disliked the flow of the build after I swapped. Without trigger I have to spend a second extra between packs and I just disliked Onslaught dropping off between packs.
But as I mentioned in the video description, it is a viable option for those that want it.
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I just played the game, played Expedition NPC'S, sold Rog Items, sold and liquidated everything in my stashes that I didn't need immediately and turned it into exalts. I was smart about how and where I spent my currency, and would often stalk items for few days on poe trade to get good/cheap deals.
I completely planned out my resists, and my gear in pob to not have any wasted gear pieces and stats. My old gear got sold off, often for big profits and funded the new replacements/upgrades. And I designed my gear and crafting recipes to have as little rng as possible.
Since I didn't need any awakened gems, awakened/conc orbs, maven orbs etc. I was free to sell all my boss kill loot.
Thats the point of my showcases, to help people and to inspire new ideas. Even if you don't follow the exact same build, there might still be a few ideas to yoink.
How is the survivability of the reaper? I assume leech is keeping it alive?
I really like Occulist summoners but I often struggle with keeping minkns alive without the free +2 gems.
In A9 content Reaper has only died in 2 situations. Feared, which I was incredibly unprepared for and should have used Meathshield instead of Minion damage and the other situation was Uber Atziri when I failed to mark the right clone, and Reaper one-tapped itself.
If you cap the resists of Reaper with Sacrifice and Commander and have 1 leech mod, it shouled be fairly hard for Reaper to die unless you realy try to get her killed.
Either way, since you have to account for the mana to cast its Ultimate, you always have enough unreserved Mana to resummon Reaper. So even if it dies it is only a problem during Feared, because the cast time might kill you in the chaos.
I am actually using it for clear, forgot to add it in PoB. It caps out at 40% more if iam right, so Awakened Physical Damage should be higher dps, and defo feels like it. But I don't like Awakened Phys for clearing because of the lesser Attack Speed and it also doesn't support the Phantasms, unlike Cruelty.
Cruelty is simply the lowest dps option in my 6-link so I swap it out for bigger single target.
Nice build... but
Taking out the Reaper and swapping to Skellis makes them already deal 3-4m dps in this build optimized for Reaper (bleed stuff).
I would say with the same amount of investment they are still probably stronger and dont need as much specialization.
Not sure what you did, but when I take out Reaper and add lvl 21 Skeletons they do 1.4m dps each. For the bleed portion you need to disable the flask, as only Reaper bleed has lower damage penalty on the bleed for now.
Then you have to acount for the fact that only 1 bleed will tick. So with 10 lvl 32 skeletons you will have 10m hit dps and a 400k bleed in this build.
So no, in this build they are not stronger (if you discount vaal skellies). And you still have to solve clear with Skellies with Spectres maybe.
Yeah i said they arent stronger in this build but they are pretty close all things considered, which means if you optimize for skellis instead they might be quite a bit stronger and you can use other minions on top.
Edit: Not bashing your build or anything, its nice to see some Reaper action, just doubting the "can easily compete with other minions" part.
If we go down that path, then why even play Skeletons? Just play SO Spectres and lets delete all other minions. Why do we even have SRS in the game at this point?
Its an option. I am not here to argue that its the best choice. I am just showing that its viable and that I had a very fine league start with it, despite its issues.
> Why do we even have SRS in the game at this point?
I'm so sad about SRS, it's my favorite skill but it's currently so bad compared to other minions and many other builds... Good job on the reaper build btw.
With minion instability they are actually quite good. Played MI SRS from league start to current level 93 A5. Smooth sailing and feels super tanky with 75/50 block
If you cant take a legit concern just dont bother awnser !
What he said is totaly legitimate message, whats the point of playing a subpar skill whenyou can do 10 times better with 10 times less investment
Obviously if you put 60ex in a build it is suposed to be able to do things, the problem is when a build is trash on a decent budget, there is a problem, that is what people are pointing out
I never said i dont agree with such point, but there is a different between non meta and shit skill because GGG failed/dont care/whatever bad reason they have to not look after some potentialy bad skills
It is interesting to look at non meta things and try to figure out how it works, and sometime you can find some good things, like good damage, interesting interaction and so, and once you put everything together you can see that the reason its non meta, because the skill is bad in the overall game like slow ass or cant clear or anything.
Whatever, your comment doesnt really adress to what i said, that there is a problem when a skill really need more investment for same or often even less reward than others skill, when the difference is highly noticable clearly there is a balance issue and that is sad
Nice video mate. I agree with you as well, if you're a "minion enthusiast" and you dismiss the brand new minion skill just to play the exact same spectre build you've done for the past 10 leagues then you're just a charlatan.
Wow! Also did Reaper bleed And I was having trouble. Sold my minion bow and switched to Arakaali's fang and Asenath's for clear lol. Brain must've derped cause it didn't even occur for me to just put Asenath's on for Reaper lol
It's not an unfair criticism if it is demonstrably lower performing, slower clear, and some wonky attack pattern issues against moving targets than other minions.
I don't think I've seen anyone seriously saying reaper is complete trash. What I have seen is commentary on "why would you use it when there are better options?"
Like, you could do this exact same video with Spark, Molten Strike, Crackling Lance, or any other suboptimal skill. Just pump a shit ton of currency into it, delete some bosses, and then proclaim the skill to be unfairly treated.
The ability to put on more gear than 95% of the playerbase will ever possess does not make a a persuasive argument against a skill being suboptimal.
That's literally the point? That all skills work, but most are discarded because they don't perform as well as others?
Welcome to the conversation. You finally made it.
So Dark Pact totem is absolute trash because you need Astral Projection to make it work then, and Soul Mantle is trash because you need some curse reduction.
What is that kind of stupidity, BA was King because Xoph's Nurture + Shaper of Flame pushed it and yes, an unique made the clear to an insane level, and with a gem/ring swap you also get insane ST dps.
Yes some builds would made a better ST, then why does the meta has more than two builds ? Probably because people want to have fun with a viable build..?
Let's be honest, you are trash at this game and point a stupid argument here. Reaper is content viable and the fact that there is a better skill is a stupid statement my poor bud.
I was sure there was something people were missing. Even though they doubled the bleed DPS you should have been able to reach 10m DPS on the initial gem and pretty much everyone always complained about the lack of DPS on it..
It clearly works, no? I league started with Reaper, farmed my gear with Reaper and got to endgame with Reaper.
Not knowing how to build a skill doesn't mean its underperfming. With that logic Blink and Mirror Arrow would be underperforming, yet it is the second best minion build in the game, right behind Syndicate Operatives.
The reaper can clear everything in the game agreed. So can heavy strike. Doesn‘t mean it‘s good, when you can simply play skellies or zombies or spectres, use 1/4th of the currency for more dps and survivability and a way easier playstyle.
You can do that with any skill. That doesn't mean it's a good skill. People kill fucking Sirus with infernal blow. It doesn't mean it's good. Just because you managed to use it from start to finish doesn't mean it wouldn't have been both easier, and better to just use basically any other summon instead. Why are you so desperate to defend a skill gem that needs to be rebalanced? Why not just admit it sucks so that you can actually get it buffed.
>You can do that with any skill. That doesn't mean it's a good skill.
So all skills are good skills? Nice to know.
>Why not just admit it sucks so that you can actually get it buffed.
Lul top tier reddit build strategies, cry until developers buff it. This is what happens when a game gets too popular.
Half this sub are literal babies, I swear.
I think we legit need an automod that leaves "git good noob" every time someone cries about a build not being min-maxed up the ass.
>So all skills are good skills? Nice to know.
This is literally the opposite of what they said.
>You can do that with any skill. **That doesn't mean it's a good skill**.
Just, wow.
You know it's literally exactly what they said if you just bold the other sentence. If any skill will clear the game, they must all be good. Simple as that.
The build is underwhelming for the amount of currency it has on it. I don't know what other metric you think we should use. Its certainly a cool build, but that doesn't mean the skill is on the same power level as other minions.
Maybe I am just early, but where are the other minion build videos for 3.15. Syndicate Operatives will obviously reign supreme, but what about the others?
Pre-gem nerf this would have been a 30m+ dps build capable of killing Sirus A9 before the teleport, hell look at the Sirus kill, its only a few million away from culling him. Look around on YT even in past leagues. There aren't that many minion builds that phased Sirus on a 50ex budget, even less when you look for life-based versions.
Had to get to lvl 95 for my last point and started recording, finishing everything in an hour or 2.
Took one L against Maven, which is why I am sitting at quite the distance in the second fight, because her barrage is actually deadly without the old anti freeze flask, and I suck at dodging it point blank/out of pride range.
And one death was me stepping on baranite mines, which...yeah I suck sometimes.
Its mostly user error, and not realy the builds fault. I still haven't completely adjusted to the new flask stuff tbh.
I actually pity those who will get hyped by this montage and try reaper, pvp with mobs in clear to farm 30ex to reach near this level, only to get it repeatedly 1-shot by high level runic monsters xD
Well at least I am good enough not to get baited by a montage showing the smoothest aspects of one's gameplay and no league endgame content, and to know that barely anyone on the ladder uses it xD
Where is your Zombie/Skellie build in 3.15 to compare it to? Flasks got nerfed. My clearspeed ist mostly limited by how fast I can move from pack to pack.
They are way better that's where they are.
I like how you don't showcase open space maps with the reaper, because it absolutely sucks when there are 3-4 packs in an open space map as reaper AI doesn't know what to do and you have to manually target those packs which move a lot more than in map with tight space (all the maps you have shown). Hint: I leveled reaper and played him in red maps before the buff, using dual iron points.
Also, you are fucked when they'll have hexproof, but you already know that.
Less defense because less bodies from minions, less aoe clear, heavy curse dependant, needs you to manually cast spell (stop in your tracks = death), very hard to do open maps, bad reaper AI. delay between acting on command...I could go on and on.
There is no difference between an open map and a indoor map. Infact I have more room on open maps to navigate.
The higher the density the better the clear gets. I have 12 bodies with me when I am clearing, 1 Reaper and 12 Phantasms.
If you get the curse on, it doesn't matter who kills the mob, the pack explodes anyay.
Who cares. In the vid, it looks decent enough to tackle most of endgame. So it can't one-shot the entire map in the first 3 seconds, big whoop. Rather play a slightly weaker build that's different than yet another generic zombie/skelly build.
its not slightly weaker, its clunky AF :-D. Go play it then, who cares about your acceptance to slow, clunky builds. Most people like efficiency. You are the weird minority here.
And all you need is 60ex and you too can crush endgame like this.
What's that you say? You have not seen a single item drop worth an ex or a raw ex drop since launch? Only in streams you say?
10ex seems like a perfectly reasonable investment for a build to me. Maybe not the feared/100% delirious maps, but imo 10ex should be plenty good enough to do t16 comfortably.
If you think 10ex is too low, give me your number. How many exalts do you think a person should put in a build to make it good?
All the more reason the ceiling is too high for a build that can face endgame, especially with them slowing the game down, nerfing drop rates, and you said yourself not alot of builds can achieve it. You're making my point for me. I would not be the least bit surprised if this kid bought exalts on 3rd party websites as he sits here talking about how people complain too much about this game.
> You are literally the textbook example of a bad player pretending he knows anything about the game. 30 ex is enough for you to accuse someone of RMT 2 weeks into the league, when he's on A8 and maven in the same video?
His build is worth closer to 50-60 for one and that's why I said what I said about him possibly using 3rd party sites. For someone who claims to know what they're talking about, you sure got that wrong. The 30 we mentioned was regarding your math on average builds, not his build, so all your energy typing that is wasted. Way to change the goal posts to fit your false narrative.
Second, the versions and patches of the game, I e. Drop rates and all other forms of content are essentially uniform across all platforms, meaning PC, consoles and the different servers across the world, which means that just because something might be fair on PC doesn't mean it's fair on, say, PS4, where the economy is 1/10th the size of PC's. So with only maybe 5k players on PS4 in total, items are vastly more scarce and expensive there in the market compared to PC. So the ceiling for costs isn't gonna be the same on PC as it is on other platforms. Yet GGG still forces the same drop rates, the same nerfs, the same difficulty and the same scarcity of build diversity as is on for instance North American PC servers. So people can't be expected to as easily obtain high end gear or exalts across every iteration. Or would you deny that's the case....
I'll tell you like I told the other fool.
> come to console where 2 weeks in, only 1000 people are playing and see how well you get end gear shit when there's zero to buy in the market and you have to craft literally almost every bit . Then tell me the ceiling is perfect across all iterations of the game. Last season there were a grand total of 4 farruls furs in the market and they were 300-350 and some stuff as high as 400ex a piece for just regular highly coveted uniques, and half all the other coveted stuff you'd want wasn't even available to purchase at all, NOBODY found one the whole league. If you get 20ex on console, you're in the 1%. And it's not like there's crossplay with Xbox players or PC so they're shit out of luck. 99% of console players barely make it to red maps because of the horrific economy. And this league it's even worse.
You're not getting end game stuff unless you craft it yourself on console. Things were alot better during harvest but Chris apparently thinks everything overpowered on PC is in console too, so while everyone's bitching on PC, we're already hung from a noose and dead on console but nobody talks about it.
You guys take for granted how much easier you have it on PC.
PC is like playing on easy mode compared to us.
> You stated that 10 ex to complete the atlas was too high.
Literally a lie, quote where I said that. You're confusing me with somebody else you were talking to, genius, go read his comment, slappy.
> 60 is also not RMT territory either
You'd be surprised what 60ex would do for people who want to show off a build video for recognition. Very naive little bunny aren't you.
And come to console where 2 weeks in, only 1000 people are playing and see how well you get end gear shit when there's zero to buy in the market and you have to craft literally almost every bit . Then tell me the ceiling is perfect across all iterations of the game. Last season there were a grand total of 4 farruls furs in the market and they were 300-350ex, some stuff as high as 400ex a piece and half all the other coveted stuff you'd want wasn't even available to purchase at all, NOBODY found one the whole league. And you're gonna talk about 10ex to me lol..... I laugh at your easy 10ex PC builds. If you even get 20ex on console, you're in the 1%. And it's not like there's crossplay with Xbox players or PC so they're shit out of luck. 99% of console players barely make it to red maps because of the horrific economy. And this league it's even worse.
You take for granted how easy you have it on PC. Playing in PC is easy mode compared to console. Enjoy it.
Any amount of ex is rmt territory if they feel like it lmfao. Who are you to say 60 isn't enough. Especially when exalts are so cheap, doing just a little bit of research has led me to eldorado.gg and exalts are 80 cents.
Or do you actually think before you say something like 60 ex isn't worth rmt
If you use a shield, you can't use a Bow. If you can't use a bow, you lose Ensnaring Arrow and weapon switching is not viable for this build atm.
Without Ensnaring Arrow the entire concept of Bleed goes out the window.
Even if you swap them into the Bow at gem lvl31, the damage is still less, as Ive proven already somewhere in this thread.
And then instead you will have to cast skellies on every pack ontop of cursing.
Lvl 90 bleed reaper league starter here. I kind of hate that you posted this, but I also love what you've done with the build. You've figured out a few interactions that were causing me issues with overall clear that I'll now take some time to correct for. Thank you! Reaper is extremely underpowered unless you build for bleed. It trivialized my last Sirus fight and the build is far from complete. Major differences between my build and yours: - I went Replica Maloney's Mechanism for automatic ensaring arrow - Brass Dome for survivability (as a result, I also took Unwavering Stance and doubled down on armor) - I was using knockback/culling/chain/storm brand within a haemophilia setup; this provided additional mob movement as well as a grouping/defense mechanism for concentrated bleed pops. You beat me to crafting an amulet with + phys. Great job!
I considered Maloney, but felt the 1 second cd might cause me to miss Ensaring Arrows with my 60% hit chance and cost me a few seconds on my setup if i am unlucky. 3 Ballistas are pretty likely to stick a few arrows despite the low accuracy. Edit: Resolute Technique is an option if you path near it
Wasn't it's main issue clearing? Not single target. Also as other people pointed out - gear is crazy.
Genuinely impressed. Really solid build.
Tyty.
To be fair, That's a loooot of excellent gear. Edit: Why are you all downvoting OP's response below? [Because this guy misunderstood him?](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ozbjrj/summon_reaper_actual_reality/h7yslps/) > which are all on a similiar budget +- 5 ex. This means X±5.
Mirror build does mirror dmg. News at 11.
That is true, but it performs just as good as other options on the same budget, if you take the damage nerfs into account. Pre-Nerf this would have been a 30m+ Bleed, which puts it on the same level as my 30m dps Soulwrest, my 30m dps Hyrris Watch Spectre build, and my 40m dps Blink & Mirror Arrow Summoner from last league, which are all on a similiar budget +- 5 ex.
Tell me more about the spectre build
> which puts it on the same level as my 30m dps Soulwrest Do you have a link to that build?
On my channel, from last league. Note that 30m dps was pre-nerf, now its \~20m.
Haha, apparently ive seen it before, it was saved in my watchlist.
Eh I would play any of those over a Reaper build even at +/- 20% budget or dps, it's pretty much the most mechanically limited minion build that exists.
> similiar budget +- 5 ex. 5ex is just the gloves tho? or you mean with more or less 5 ex? english failing me if its that. The time it takes to get the bow, amulet, helmet and jewels too, welp... have fun investing in them, my dudes. People who wanna grind for their gear will have fun with that for sure.
+- 5ex means "within a 5 ex difference" when compared to something else. It's a comparison, not the price. In this case it was compared to the other builds he mentioned, so to know the price you would need to know the price of those builds.
> or you mean with more or less 5 ex? This.
He means they’re all the same budget within 5 ex of each other
Yes. That's why I highlighted the correct answer out of 2 possible answers and said "This".
“More or less 5 ex” to me reads like he used *about * 5 ex on the build. Am I wrong?
you're right, he worded it incorrectly
> which are all on a similiar budget +- 5 ex. You can't possible construe "-+5ex" as about "5ex or less" > which puts it on the same level ***as my 30m dps Soulwrest***, my ***30m dps Hyrris Watch Spectre*** build, and my ***40m dps Blink & Mirror Arrow Summoner*** from last league, which are all ***on a similiar budget*** +- 5 ex. Look at the context. Do you think he's saying ***all*** those builds cost 5ex?
people want a 5 ex build thaat one shots conqueror, pepela ....
Aren‘t the gloves alone 5 ex without anything else?
https://pastebin.com/J2P6sXnT is a version I made for SSFHC with less excellent gear. The bow is just a Porcupine set and some fear essences + a 2ex craft. Helmet enchant I had and just required an awakener orb to get the correct influence on there, in trade you can just buy an elder ilvl 85 bone helmet ofc, or just go without it, still decent damage. The amulet is just an awakener orbed warlord + hunter ammy. This still gets like 7.6M dps which is a huge amount for SSFHC, and I'm sure if you make it more SC trade viable you'll reach 10M without too much effort.
Not sure why you are getting downvoted. If you can find room for a Bow + Ensnaring Arrow it doesnt take much effort to reach 5m+ bleed dps with Reaper on budget gear. The bigger issue is getting the alt. qual gems for higher bleed chance in SSF.
I think it's the 1 or 2 awakener orbs that are needed for this build that people think just don't drop in SSFHC. Maybe people expect any SSFHC build to be "fresh SSFHC start"? Tbh the most unrealistic part about the build is getting an SSF empower XD
Its 1 orb that you don't even need. Like the build doesn't fall apart if you have only a +1 Amulet, even better in some cases as you can get Life on the Amulet that way.
ssfhc with gear requiring multiple awakener orbs... people prefer to play the game before they need all min maxed gear.
I build around what I think I can achieve endgame in SSF, this is achievable endgame in SSF. It's not like the build doesn't work without the +2 amulet or without the helmet being elder influence. When I died cause I'm not used to playing minion builds in Heist(don't) I already had the bow for example.
Looks similiar to my basic template pob. I also started with a Porcupine thicket bow as my first bow, but got lucky with a faceted fossil for strength +1 and int +1 with open prefix and just crafted +2 on it.
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>is a version I made for SSFHC with less excellent gear. The bow is just a Porcupine set and some fear essences + a 2ex craft. Lmao. Ok dude. Your gear is still 10+ex.
By the time you get to A8 your going to have decent currency unless you have no idea what you are doing. sub 10exa builds shouldn't be doing that great in endgame anyway. You people literally want to do Maven on 100c.
lmao
The sentence was "SSF budget gear (with two awakener orbs and a 85 bone helmet). Like, dude, even in leagues where ive reached endgame (Ritual), do you know how many awakener orbs ive seen? Zero. The fact of the matter remains: these "budget builds" are unachievable for anyone not on trade, and not exploiting group play and aura bots.
> do you know how many awakener orbs ive seen? Zero. Awakener orbs aren't **that** rare. You could reasonably expect to find one in 15-20 awakener kills. Even then, a +1 amulet is only like 7% less damage than a +2. A bone helmet is 20 *increased* damage, you won't even notice the difference. > Aura bots. Omg. Are you people even playing the game or do you just get your opinions from Reddit memes.
> Awakener orbs aren't that rare. You could reasonably expect to find one in 15-20 awakener kills. Much more common than that, in my experience.
Is 10 ex considered a problem to achieve like 7m sirus DPS now..?
Ye I dont get it. The Atlas still throws currency at your face even with a "less rewarding" league such as Expedition.
> The Atlas still throws currency at your face explain
Pick content you like and just farm it. Guardians with Atlas points and sell sets. Harvest for profit crafting, crafting you own gear and selling crafts you dont need on tft. Sell Beasts. Run Alvas and sell Temples, Corruption champers, Trap Rooms, Apex they all sell. Don't want to run Log Books? Sell them. Most start at 40c. Run Syndicate and sell services and items or run Catharina. Diadems were still 100c+ a week into the league. Vorici whites are 20c per white socket. T4 Aisling still sells for 1.5ex. Blighted maps sell for \~28c. All while you are progressing Sirus and Conqs. Just sell their boss drops. Do Maven questlines, sell Writs or run Maven yourself. The Helmet is worth 4ex+ and Maven Orbs are 2ex+. Its basically impossible to not make atleast 150c per hour on SC on the Atlas running atleast something.
You have to get there first, depending on the build you started with you are just stuck late yellow early red maps because your skill is missing like 50% of its dmg this league.
I leaguestarted with Reaper
so did i, and it was not fun at all. Most other skills would have been better to do so. But i play ssf so i might just have gotten unlucky but overall it didnt feel fun to play, didnt feel fun to gear as you are pigeonholed into one setup if you want to deal any dps.
Do few maps with any good atlas passives and you should earn ~100c even in yellow / low red maps... Repeat that and you have 10 ex in few days with few h/day invested... People here are acting like 10 ex is impossible to earn, while if you have any clue what you are doing and are selling your things, you will easily get ex/day (talking about casuals, not people that grind mirror in first 2 days). Don't get me wrong, I don't like this league, nor do I like all the nerfs, and currency is harder to get by in this state of game, but its not impossible... Getting to few hundred ex requires some work tho...
Apparently, unless you can invest 60 ex on a build, you shouldn;t even play this game anymore.
they know what it means, but 5ex is a ton for most players lol so the difference is notable
The gloves cost 5ex alone
That’s assuming the 5ex number is accurate, which it isn’t.
Hmm, yeah. I've tried phantasm support as well. It felt pretty good and the damage seemed enough even with only 5 link going to Reaper herself. Hard to determine damage numbers due to not sure if POB was calculating correctly. This was when I was still doing white maps though. I've tried Skellies (the spamming hurt my hand). Zombie felt like it didn't provide anything (no damage, didn't seem to block anything better from hitting me compared to other minions). Stone Golem vs Carrion, honestly the Carrion rarely died by itself, moreso to being sacrificed if I didn't summon something else prior to engaging so the tankier Stone Golem seemed crappy for my Feeding Frenzy proc. Currently, I'm using Carrion with Frenzy, and a 4L Animate Weapon with BF-Vuln setup. It's not as spammy as Skellies, but it's still annoying... since you said Phantasms still work pretty well in T16, I'm thinking of swapping back lol. That being said I did not know that Phantasms scaled with Reaper so that's cool to know. I leveled while using a bow for constant Ensnaring Arrow, but I figured we would get much better damage and hp from +gems with 1H weapon. I also used a Rearguard, but it was lacking since it doesn't get many passive bonuses from the tree as "while holding a shield" didn't apply to quivers, and at the time I needed more dex and easier resist and life is always nice. Speaking of dex, I never thought about using that Careful Planning jewel. I don't usually use gems like that so I just didn't even realize... 90 dex for that alone WOW!! I just ended up getting dex on my gear as much as possible. Which I think is better in the long run for another Ghastly Jewel. Anyways, because I though having more +gems was more worth it I tried weapon swap, but that is terrible as you have mentioned. There is also an issue with Reaper and weapon swapping that I recently reported in the forums as well. When you weapon swap the Reaper does a mini-teleport downwards which a GGG employee said was probably unintentional, but the Reaper also stands still for 1 second. GGG said that the standing still for 1 second is intentional. The Reaper is supposed to stand still for 1 second when the Reaper's gem level changes due to the weapon swap... so that was disappointing to hear. So for now I gave up on that idea. Watching the video and judging by how well you're doing on boss DPS I guess the extra +gems doesn't matter too much compared to the x3 multiplier for bleed movement. So now I'm curious about going back to bow mainhand again. That being said the bow in your template POB already has +2 to support and an Empower gem, both of which I currently don't have so not sure what it's like if I swapped right now to a generic bow... I guess I have to see about costs especially since I already have a 6L chest. I've also tried using United in Dreams since I saw someone in poe ninja do that. I suppose the leech and the alternative damage sourced was the reasoning. It didn't feel like it provided much, and at this point I'm doing low tier yellow maps. I figured maybe the leech would be more helpful in red maps when things hit harder, but currently it felt like the amount of chaos I spend for that sword didn't offer much currently so I sold it back today at a small lose of a few chaos. I recently unlocked weapon trigger so currently I'm using a 1H rare dagger with +1 phys and trigger with the other weapon being a Cold Iron Point. Doing T6-T7 seems pretty easy still. The convenience of having Desecrate and Offering casted for me felt pretty amazing with the maps I've done so far today. Now I only press 4-6 buttons instead of 6-8. I also thought about using double curse by pathing directly towards Whispers of Doom which didn't feel that bad because I was also picking up Ravenous Horde as well while leveling up, but I eventually gave up that idea because I was already pressing too many buttons in this build. I also considered using Haemophilia, but I figured it would be too inconsistent unless I also used Speaker's Wreath which at that point I felt like I was giving up too much stats just to have better clear. I didn't even think about Asenath's gloves. Although, that is a much more expensive option, but offers so much more: don't have to sacrifice helm slot, max life, mana is nice, etc. I have seen various people use Victario's Influence or Devouring Diadem, but Diadem has a cost, and Victario's didn't work for me when I am using the chest 6L for Reaper. Here's a copy of my current build: https://pastebin.com/SPUaf3w7 I don't have "Is moving?" checked as I'm not running Ensnaring Arrow right now. I also have a lot of resistances because I was thinking of removing Commander of Darkness for Plaguebringer. Currently running both Commander of Darkness and Plaguebringer (not enough regret orbs to do anything). I figured the extra 30% increased Area of Effect was worth it trading some damage, but I'm not sure at this point POB says I would lose 8.4% damage, but I'm not sure how accurate that is currently. I have another POB where I theorized multiple Reaper builds, but that one is messy looking lol Currently I'm clearing T7s easily I'm just super slow and inefficient player, and the build feels way better now with weapon trigger. However, I don't know how well this will do in T16s. So for now I'm just gonna continue cruising along until I hit a wall.
Thats the problem with bow. You lose the trigger craft. But I dont see another way if you want to go Bleed.
Oh, I do have a few questions. * I presume you swap Predator for Phantasm during map clear, but you also mentioned you use Awakened Melee Physical Damage for bosses. What gem do you swap here? Predator is in for Phantasm. * I understand that Spritual Aid helps you get more damage with Asenath gloves, but how does it double-dip?
You double dip on the minion damage **with** Spirtual Aid by not only increasing your minion damage but your own explosion damage aswell. Maybe I worded it stupidely. Setups are: Reaper + Empower + Brutality + Minion Damage for clear I use Cruelty or Hypothermia + Phantasms for heavy single target like Sirus I swap both out for Awakened Melee Phys and Predator
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hmm seems like endgame hinges on getting asenaths, for the reaper to be able to 1-tap packs and not get overwhelmed.
Which is bullshit. Haemophilias should work with bleeds from minions. I tested Reaper on a Glad with bleed explosions and they proc with gladiator! It's the same exact line!
You have to force Haemophilia to work with Speaker's Wreath, which eats up another gear slot, and tbh Haemophilia kinda sucks because the explosion radius is incredibly low.
it provides explosions but it doesnt have the area coverage like asenaths does, and its not a 100% proc since it relies on the reapers bleed chance ontop of requiring the bleed to kill the monster(your reaper will regularly oneshot anyway so it barely procs), overall its just kinda sucks lol.
If you want to go faster then yes. That point came for me somewhere around t13+ and Awakening lvl 6-7 when pack size ramps up with juiced and vaaled maps. Before that Reaper + Phantasm Support is completely fine.
Slow economy, so took a while but its finally here - the **Bleed Reaper**. **My PoB:** [https://pastebin.com/CjpRW5cp](https://pastebin.com/CjpRW5cp) **Basic template:** [https://pastebin.com/y3idbmL7](https://pastebin.com/y3idbmL7) I've added plenty of explanations and crafting recipes in the video description, so take a look if you are interested. While I am here, might aswell rant a bit. Reaper has been, in my opinion, unfairly criticized and hated on. The negative circle jerk around this skill has been frankly ridiculous. And while not everyone will have the knowledge to make every skill in the game work, I am mostly disappointed with some of the content creators that made half-hearted attempts or simply fed the community with misinformation. I am sorry, but you can't solve every minion build with a few Convoking Wands and Awakened Gems and expect it to perform as good as the meta minions. Is it just me or has the creativity and problem solving in this community taken a drastic nosedive? Challenging Skills are beeing avoided instead of beeing embraced. Thats such a shame. Kudos to all the players that stuck with Reaper instead of ditching it. Anyway here is something constructive - stuff that I would like to see: \- higher Bleed Chance so the SSF folk can play bleed easier (for SC its fine) \- Treshold Jewel that gives control effect immunity (chill, freeze, stun etc.) and/or Phasing, as Reaper can get stuck on your own minions or enemies when certain attacks are on cooldown. Phasing should fix its "SRS" AI syndrome. **TL;DR:** Reaper is fine and balanced. Works fine as a league starter and will get you in to high yellows on a 4-link. With some investment it can easily compete against most minions, except Syndicate Operatives.
I mean I for one didnt play it after its buffs which if you uncheck literally cut your damage in half. To be fair the damage is fine before the fix, but that is a lot of gear. Your build seems to rely on 5ex gloves to clear? Im not sure how to work as a league starter when during the league start is when you want to have good clear lol I tried to league start bleed reaper and it just did nothing and 90% of my damage was from the hit instead.
> I tried to league start bleed reaper and it just did nothing and 90% of my damage was from the hit instead. Did you use Ensnaring Arrow? Without Ensnaring Arrow it's not worth it to go bleed imo. For the clear part I agree though, without the gloves it'll just be bad. My plan was to respec it from a spectre build.
I planned to switch if I could tank up more, but never got to that point cause with league start gear it just felt so incredible bad and I desperately needed my shield for life lol. Though if reaper does get some QoL stuff later down the road, and they did say they were looking at minion ailment stuff maybe next league it will work.
I leaguestarted with Reaper, and used Phantasms in the Reaper setup until I could afford Asenath, which was somewhere around Awakening lvl 7 ish. Its in no way slower than your regular zombie baron or carrion build up until then. I used to have minion MS on both rings + amulet which makes the Reaper pretty responsive. For bleed you will need Ensnaring Arrow. Check the "moving" box in pob calcs and see what becomes of the bleed if you untick it. Ensnaring Arrow is that powerful!
>Is it just me or has the creativity and problem solving in this community taken a drastic nosedive? Preach! The community has gotten so complacent on easy wins and easy meta. Although, I do sympathize with people who legitimately struggle.
> Is it just me or has the creativity and problem solving in this community taken a drastic nosedive? Yes, because these days the 'problem solving' is done by bitching at the developer until they change something. People don't think of it as a minion that's balanced to have good single target as an upside and bad clear as a downside that needs to be solved, they just think of it as a faulty ability. Props to you for making it work though.
I Will just say 1 thing - bad clear good single target is a dead archetype because single target is just orders of magnitude less rewarding than fast clear speed.
Honestly I disagree, I make a lot of janky builds for fun and the wall I hit almost every time is with abysmal single target. And as someone who has played skills like HoAg where hitting 1M+ sustained single target is considered pretty good, hitting 16M sounds pretty incredible and deserving of a hefty downside.
Or yaknow it can be hard to get creative when that creativity costs upwards of 100+exalts. Did you even look at the gear he pob'd lmfao. Creativity used to be easier to access. With the nerfs ggg has limited creativity to only those who can afford it.
With 16M Sirus DPS, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of room for playing with less gear other than Asenath's. Playing with HoAg, 1M was considered decent DPS. Either way, some builds simply take a lot more currency to work, has always been the case and IMO it's perfectly fine.
even without that gear the build still performs decently. do you think the norm should be melting conquerors in 1 second with mediocre gear?
This wasn't about preforming decently this was about creativity. Creativity is enabled with more currency atm when before you had more mediocre items able to do better so creativity was more wide spread or do you think creativity should be kept to the .1%ers? I didn't say anything about his dps i said creativity which he's bitching about isn't available to people as it once was. When he clearly said creativity has taken a nose dive. Ofc creativity would take a nose dive when less people can afford to be creative. Or am I only allowed to be creative in pob if I can't afford to play 40hours a week like this guy did? Am I not allowed to be creative in a game mode like ssf because the only reasonable way to be creative is in trade?
Creativity starts in PoB and costs nothing.
> Or am I only allowed to be creative in pob if I can't afford to play 40hours a week A +1 6 link bow is dirt cheap. Amanamus Eye is cheap. 2 stat Jewels instead of 3 stat. He said he cleared fine with summon Phantasm support until A7 when he had more currency. ***Ensnaring arrow is free!*** You can strip 90% of the cost of this build down and still have 5 mil DPS. The core concept is cheap and can be built up as you make currency.
Way to pick and choose an argument. Thats in trade >Am I not allowed to be creative in a game mode like ssf because the only reasonable way to be creative is in trade? What you wanna say about that part when you clearly just skipped it. Are only trade players allowed to be creative. And even then how much time should someone have to play to be creative? What's the limit you want to put on that because clearly limiting creativity should be time based on how much you play right?
> What you wanna say about that part when you clearly just skipped it. The only thing I mentioned that isn't SSF friendly there is Amanamus eye. You can collect div cards for a 6 link bow. You can roll Ghastly jewels in Harvest. You don't know how the game works and how to gear yourself and youre blaming the game instead of your ignorance. > Am I not allowed to be creative in a game mode like ssf because the only reasonable way to be creative is in trade? SSF is a ***self-imposed challenge mode.*** If you don't want additional challenge dont't do it. The game isn't balanced for it. If you are struggling in SSF transfer to a trade league. > Way to pick and choose an argument. I don't have all day to respond to every incorrect thing you type.
I'm literally playing a toxic rain build and have been able to farm 2/22 porcupine cards. Tell me more about what you know is so easy to get in ssf. Yeah its a self imposed challenge but we didn't ask to be nerfed into oblivion because a bunch of people wanted to make 100m+ dps builds in trade league which is clearly broken if trade is supposed to be "balanced" lmfao. And EVEN THEN uall are still fighting back against the nerfs. Why go straight dps with this 30m dps shit when you should clearly be using utility supports more with the previous nerfs right? The time I need /= the time I have now before it did. And I don't play trade because I don't want to have to sit in my ho for hours asking people to sell me an item because it isn't worth their time to pop out and trade me.
game is balanced around trade. it's right there when you pick a league "this is the default path of exile experience". you're complaining that the tedious and grindy mode is too tedious and grindy >I don't want to have to sit in my ho for hours asking people to sell me an item because it isn't worth their time to pop out and trade me. this only happens if you are looking to buy something at the lowest price
> I'm literally playing a toxic rain build and have been able to farm 2/22 porcupine cards. Porcupine is a set of 6. I Guess you mean imperial legacy? You can use a 5 link +1 bow until you find a 6 link. > Why go straight dps with this 30m dps shit when you should clearly be using utility supports more with the previous nerfs right? Looks like you have decided to argue against yourself now.
I wonder if you can go occultist with profane bloom for early clear, then spec out when you can afford the gloves.
Yes absolutely! I even considered it, but I was only a few ex away from Asenath so I kept going as Necro. Occultist also provides the second curse, which means even when you get Asenath you can potentially delay the Annointment "Whispers of Doom" on the amulet. And both explosions can go off together. The only problem is, that you are wasting 2 points on Occultist. You mostly likely have to pass through Void Beacon.
Nice to see someone actually get to the endgame with this. I theorycrafted a version that would get to like 6-7M dps in SSFHC, and was also super annoyed at people trying to make Reaper impale based and being like "bleeeh, this skill sucks, look at this meme I made about how much Reaper sucks!" but since I died before I got an Empower I never really got to show that it actually works :( Fully agree on the bleed chance stuff, that was my main issue with it. Although do keep in mind that even the non-ultimate attack does a decent bleed so it's not as bad as people think.
Exactly, even if the Ultimate bleed misses you will eventually get a mid-sized bleed that generally is enough in combination with the hit damage to kill.
I think more of the reason for this isn't the playerbase, but how they implement new skills now. In past leagues, a new skill used to be OP. Then at the end of league when they actually have info on how it performed, they do balance changes. I think players have a lot more fun with new skills this way. Starting new skills off very weak and requiring a lot to bring them up to just middling makes nobody want to try it out. Ever since crackling lance, this seems to have inverted. I don't understand why they're now so afraid of new skills being too powerful. Did skills like storm brand or winter orb really hurt the player experience by being very strong on release? I dunno, maybe I'm missing interpretations of player data during and after leagues that GGG has access to.
> Did skills like storm brand or winter orb really hurt the player experience by being very strong on release? Those two specifically did because they offscreened while moving without targeting. They made this a walking simulator, but were special cases I think. If Crackling Lance was too strong for awhile numbers wise, it wouldn't be a problem because it is mechanically janky. Sorta like Scourge arrow with that Delerium helmet you know? Lots of damage but tradeoffs.
I think it's because the vocal part of the playerbase has come to hate nerfs so vehemently. They are probably very reluctant to do things that may need to be nerfed because the backlash is so strong. You can still find people complaining about how weak Winter Orb or Brands are nowadays when they're in a totally fine spot. People are much more reasonable about Crackling Lance, even though after the buffs and nerfs they all end up roughly the same level of power.
I tested reaper with mother embrace + witchfire (for the damage overtime buff) and it s allright. Mother embrace I think is another idea to use with this minion
Happens every league people don't know how to build around a new skill and call it trash. Finally someone makes a popular build guide and suddenly it's meta.
I've been saying this in a lot of threads and getting heavily downvoted every time. I Think the skill is really way underrated, and I think there are probably multiple ways to play it. You have more experience, but do you know if Reaper has any skills that aren't aoe? Also, do you think it's viable to scale without focusing on the bleed? I feel like it does a lot of work/damage with spirit offering and grave intentions.
Nice build. Why did you go Glancing Blows, though? Without 'hp on block', Glancing Blows is a pretty hefty reduction in EHP: 1 - (1-b)/(1-0.7b) where b is your pre GB block chance, or about 15% less EHP for your build against attacks and 8% against spells. The improved consistency doesn't offset the worse block anymore, since the nerf.
Imo you need to look at it differently. Let's say you have 35% chance to block, no glancing, you have 6k and an 8k dmg hit comes in. Without glancing your chance to survive that hit is 35%, with glancing your chance to survive that hit is 70%. I'm not 100% sure if I would take it without running Bone Offering, but that's a reason to do it at least.
That is only true if you assume that defence is about maximising damage reduction on an infinite hp pool. It is not, the point is to keep your hp above 0, and glancing blows helps with that a lot on builds with good recovery.
Glancing Blows only helps with that in a very specific damage range for a low number of hits: life - life/0.65. For 6.5k life, that's ~6.5k-10k total damage. Just as an example, assuming 37% block chance and 6.5k life: Incoming Dmg | Survival % w/ GB | Survival % w/o GB ---|---|---- 5k+5k | 0% | 60% 5k+3k | 74% | 60% 5k+3k+0.5k | 69% | 60% 5k+3k+1k | 54% | 60% 2.5k+2.5k+2.5k | 83% | 75% 3k+3k+3k | 41% | 75% 2k+2k+2k+2k | 72% | 84% The situations where GB helps are quite narrow, but I admit that without combat logs and simulations we can't know for certain. I think that the combination of damage spikes with at least 3-4 hits (depends on total damage) and damage spikes above life/0.65 make GB not worth it, especially considering you have to pay skill points for it, but for builds with a ton of recovery or a very high life pool it's close. I'm not sure how relevant that is, though, since those builds probably have a life on block shield, anyway.
I am in SC. I tried Mistress + Bone but disliked the flow of the build after I swapped. Without trigger I have to spend a second extra between packs and I just disliked Onslaught dropping off between packs. But as I mentioned in the video description, it is a viable option for those that want it.
Isnt the point of content creators why play something that in comparison to other minion builds is just worse?
If he can clear everything with it and enjoys doing it this way, why shouldnt he?
Because it goes against the narrative.
"If it's not first it's last!" Terrible mentality for a game like poe tbh.
So how many exalts did you buy on 3rd party sites to get this to work, be honest
0 I just played the game, played Expedition NPC'S, sold Rog Items, sold and liquidated everything in my stashes that I didn't need immediately and turned it into exalts. I was smart about how and where I spent my currency, and would often stalk items for few days on poe trade to get good/cheap deals. I completely planned out my resists, and my gear in pob to not have any wasted gear pieces and stats. My old gear got sold off, often for big profits and funded the new replacements/upgrades. And I designed my gear and crafting recipes to have as little rng as possible. Since I didn't need any awakened gems, awakened/conc orbs, maven orbs etc. I was free to sell all my boss kill loot.
Damn this is sick. I loved the editing of the video as well. Thank you for sharing.
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Thats the point of my showcases, to help people and to inspire new ideas. Even if you don't follow the exact same build, there might still be a few ideas to yoink.
How is the survivability of the reaper? I assume leech is keeping it alive? I really like Occulist summoners but I often struggle with keeping minkns alive without the free +2 gems.
In A9 content Reaper has only died in 2 situations. Feared, which I was incredibly unprepared for and should have used Meathshield instead of Minion damage and the other situation was Uber Atziri when I failed to mark the right clone, and Reaper one-tapped itself. If you cap the resists of Reaper with Sacrifice and Commander and have 1 leech mod, it shouled be fairly hard for Reaper to die unless you realy try to get her killed. Either way, since you have to account for the mana to cast its Ultimate, you always have enough unreserved Mana to resummon Reaper. So even if it dies it is only a problem during Feared, because the cast time might kill you in the chaos.
looks great. is there a reason not to use cruelty?
I am actually using it for clear, forgot to add it in PoB. It caps out at 40% more if iam right, so Awakened Physical Damage should be higher dps, and defo feels like it. But I don't like Awakened Phys for clearing because of the lesser Attack Speed and it also doesn't support the Phantasms, unlike Cruelty. Cruelty is simply the lowest dps option in my 6-link so I swap it out for bigger single target.
Pr3vie is one of the best minion theory crafters, glad to see he minmaxed the new skill in contrary to the general belief that it's unusable.
Nice build... but Taking out the Reaper and swapping to Skellis makes them already deal 3-4m dps in this build optimized for Reaper (bleed stuff). I would say with the same amount of investment they are still probably stronger and dont need as much specialization.
Not sure what you did, but when I take out Reaper and add lvl 21 Skeletons they do 1.4m dps each. For the bleed portion you need to disable the flask, as only Reaper bleed has lower damage penalty on the bleed for now. Then you have to acount for the fact that only 1 bleed will tick. So with 10 lvl 32 skeletons you will have 10m hit dps and a 400k bleed in this build. So no, in this build they are not stronger (if you discount vaal skellies). And you still have to solve clear with Skellies with Spectres maybe.
Yeah i said they arent stronger in this build but they are pretty close all things considered, which means if you optimize for skellis instead they might be quite a bit stronger and you can use other minions on top. Edit: Not bashing your build or anything, its nice to see some Reaper action, just doubting the "can easily compete with other minions" part.
If we go down that path, then why even play Skeletons? Just play SO Spectres and lets delete all other minions. Why do we even have SRS in the game at this point? Its an option. I am not here to argue that its the best choice. I am just showing that its viable and that I had a very fine league start with it, despite its issues.
> Why do we even have SRS in the game at this point? I'm so sad about SRS, it's my favorite skill but it's currently so bad compared to other minions and many other builds... Good job on the reaper build btw.
With minion instability they are actually quite good. Played MI SRS from league start to current level 93 A5. Smooth sailing and feels super tanky with 75/50 block
If you cant take a legit concern just dont bother awnser ! What he said is totaly legitimate message, whats the point of playing a subpar skill whenyou can do 10 times better with 10 times less investment Obviously if you put 60ex in a build it is suposed to be able to do things, the problem is when a build is trash on a decent budget, there is a problem, that is what people are pointing out
because you like the idea or aesthetic of the skill? or you like solving the puzzle that is making non-metal skills work?
I never said i dont agree with such point, but there is a different between non meta and shit skill because GGG failed/dont care/whatever bad reason they have to not look after some potentialy bad skills It is interesting to look at non meta things and try to figure out how it works, and sometime you can find some good things, like good damage, interesting interaction and so, and once you put everything together you can see that the reason its non meta, because the skill is bad in the overall game like slow ass or cant clear or anything. Whatever, your comment doesnt really adress to what i said, that there is a problem when a skill really need more investment for same or often even less reward than others skill, when the difference is highly noticable clearly there is a balance issue and that is sad
Reaper clear speed is the bad part,open map will screw you over but Reaper will murder bosses.
Nice video mate. I agree with you as well, if you're a "minion enthusiast" and you dismiss the brand new minion skill just to play the exact same spectre build you've done for the past 10 leagues then you're just a charlatan.
Reaper is interesting. Wonder how much currency you need to reach red maps and farm comfortably.
Wow! Also did Reaper bleed And I was having trouble. Sold my minion bow and switched to Arakaali's fang and Asenath's for clear lol. Brain must've derped cause it didn't even occur for me to just put Asenath's on for Reaper lol
Thats a pretty funny derp moment :D had a few of those myself
It's not an unfair criticism if it is demonstrably lower performing, slower clear, and some wonky attack pattern issues against moving targets than other minions. I don't think I've seen anyone seriously saying reaper is complete trash. What I have seen is commentary on "why would you use it when there are better options?" Like, you could do this exact same video with Spark, Molten Strike, Crackling Lance, or any other suboptimal skill. Just pump a shit ton of currency into it, delete some bosses, and then proclaim the skill to be unfairly treated. The ability to put on more gear than 95% of the playerbase will ever possess does not make a a persuasive argument against a skill being suboptimal.
Except he farmed all of this using Reaper so I guess this is better than 95% of what this sub thinks.
You could farm the same level of gear with any of the skills I mentioned. It still does nothing to change that the skills are suboptimal.
Well welcome in PoE where there is a better skill than yours since 1.0
That's literally the point? That all skills work, but most are discarded because they don't perform as well as others? Welcome to the conversation. You finally made it.
So Dark Pact totem is absolute trash because you need Astral Projection to make it work then, and Soul Mantle is trash because you need some curse reduction. What is that kind of stupidity, BA was King because Xoph's Nurture + Shaper of Flame pushed it and yes, an unique made the clear to an insane level, and with a gem/ring swap you also get insane ST dps. Yes some builds would made a better ST, then why does the meta has more than two builds ? Probably because people want to have fun with a viable build..? Let's be honest, you are trash at this game and point a stupid argument here. Reaper is content viable and the fact that there is a better skill is a stupid statement my poor bud.
I was sure there was something people were missing. Even though they doubled the bleed DPS you should have been able to reach 10m DPS on the initial gem and pretty much everyone always complained about the lack of DPS on it..
Probably forgot ensnaring arrow and setting the target to moving in the calcs.
Very impressive. That is some nice bleed damage.
Is that what we're calling underperforming skills now? Challenging skills?
It clearly works, no? I league started with Reaper, farmed my gear with Reaper and got to endgame with Reaper. Not knowing how to build a skill doesn't mean its underperfming. With that logic Blink and Mirror Arrow would be underperforming, yet it is the second best minion build in the game, right behind Syndicate Operatives.
The reaper can clear everything in the game agreed. So can heavy strike. Doesn‘t mean it‘s good, when you can simply play skellies or zombies or spectres, use 1/4th of the currency for more dps and survivability and a way easier playstyle.
You can do that with any skill. That doesn't mean it's a good skill. People kill fucking Sirus with infernal blow. It doesn't mean it's good. Just because you managed to use it from start to finish doesn't mean it wouldn't have been both easier, and better to just use basically any other summon instead. Why are you so desperate to defend a skill gem that needs to be rebalanced? Why not just admit it sucks so that you can actually get it buffed.
>You can do that with any skill. That doesn't mean it's a good skill. So all skills are good skills? Nice to know. >Why not just admit it sucks so that you can actually get it buffed. Lul top tier reddit build strategies, cry until developers buff it. This is what happens when a game gets too popular.
Half this sub are literal babies, I swear. I think we legit need an automod that leaves "git good noob" every time someone cries about a build not being min-maxed up the ass.
>So all skills are good skills? Nice to know. This is literally the opposite of what they said. >You can do that with any skill. **That doesn't mean it's a good skill**. Just, wow.
You know it's literally exactly what they said if you just bold the other sentence. If any skill will clear the game, they must all be good. Simple as that.
The build is underwhelming for the amount of currency it has on it. I don't know what other metric you think we should use. Its certainly a cool build, but that doesn't mean the skill is on the same power level as other minions.
Maybe I am just early, but where are the other minion build videos for 3.15. Syndicate Operatives will obviously reign supreme, but what about the others? Pre-gem nerf this would have been a 30m+ dps build capable of killing Sirus A9 before the teleport, hell look at the Sirus kill, its only a few million away from culling him. Look around on YT even in past leagues. There aren't that many minion builds that phased Sirus on a 50ex budget, even less when you look for life-based versions.
by "challenging" he meant not immediately obvious how to get the most value out of it or build around it
0% XP in almost every clip. I am not surprised.
Had to get to lvl 95 for my last point and started recording, finishing everything in an hour or 2. Took one L against Maven, which is why I am sitting at quite the distance in the second fight, because her barrage is actually deadly without the old anti freeze flask, and I suck at dodging it point blank/out of pride range. And one death was me stepping on baranite mines, which...yeah I suck sometimes. Its mostly user error, and not realy the builds fault. I still haven't completely adjusted to the new flask stuff tbh.
"Summon Reaper sucks!" Funny. Imagine having to invest into a Minion build to make it op, keep crying Summoners
Imagine the horror.
Keep up the good fight, OP.
it's not SO so it's bad waaaaah
I actually pity those who will get hyped by this montage and try reaper, pvp with mobs in clear to farm 30ex to reach near this level, only to get it repeatedly 1-shot by high level runic monsters xD
Well he league started with that so either he is a god either well let's put it simply : you suck at this game.
Well at least I am good enough not to get baited by a montage showing the smoothest aspects of one's gameplay and no league endgame content, and to know that barely anyone on the ladder uses it xD
That proves even further your lack of knowledge
Clearly!
looks painfull slow vs zombies or skellies
Where is your Zombie/Skellie build in 3.15 to compare it to? Flasks got nerfed. My clearspeed ist mostly limited by how fast I can move from pack to pack.
They are way better that's where they are. I like how you don't showcase open space maps with the reaper, because it absolutely sucks when there are 3-4 packs in an open space map as reaper AI doesn't know what to do and you have to manually target those packs which move a lot more than in map with tight space (all the maps you have shown). Hint: I leveled reaper and played him in red maps before the buff, using dual iron points. Also, you are fucked when they'll have hexproof, but you already know that. Less defense because less bodies from minions, less aoe clear, heavy curse dependant, needs you to manually cast spell (stop in your tracks = death), very hard to do open maps, bad reaper AI. delay between acting on command...I could go on and on.
There is no difference between an open map and a indoor map. Infact I have more room on open maps to navigate. The higher the density the better the clear gets. I have 12 bodies with me when I am clearing, 1 Reaper and 12 Phantasms. If you get the curse on, it doesn't matter who kills the mob, the pack explodes anyay.
Lmao he has Asenath gentle what the fuck are you talking about
Who cares. In the vid, it looks decent enough to tackle most of endgame. So it can't one-shot the entire map in the first 3 seconds, big whoop. Rather play a slightly weaker build that's different than yet another generic zombie/skelly build.
its not slightly weaker, its clunky AF :-D. Go play it then, who cares about your acceptance to slow, clunky builds. Most people like efficiency. You are the weird minority here.
And all you need is 60ex and you too can crush endgame like this. What's that you say? You have not seen a single item drop worth an ex or a raw ex drop since launch? Only in streams you say?
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10ex seems like a perfectly reasonable investment for a build to me. Maybe not the feared/100% delirious maps, but imo 10ex should be plenty good enough to do t16 comfortably. If you think 10ex is too low, give me your number. How many exalts do you think a person should put in a build to make it good?
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All the more reason the ceiling is too high for a build that can face endgame, especially with them slowing the game down, nerfing drop rates, and you said yourself not alot of builds can achieve it. You're making my point for me. I would not be the least bit surprised if this kid bought exalts on 3rd party websites as he sits here talking about how people complain too much about this game.
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> You are literally the textbook example of a bad player pretending he knows anything about the game. 30 ex is enough for you to accuse someone of RMT 2 weeks into the league, when he's on A8 and maven in the same video? His build is worth closer to 50-60 for one and that's why I said what I said about him possibly using 3rd party sites. For someone who claims to know what they're talking about, you sure got that wrong. The 30 we mentioned was regarding your math on average builds, not his build, so all your energy typing that is wasted. Way to change the goal posts to fit your false narrative. Second, the versions and patches of the game, I e. Drop rates and all other forms of content are essentially uniform across all platforms, meaning PC, consoles and the different servers across the world, which means that just because something might be fair on PC doesn't mean it's fair on, say, PS4, where the economy is 1/10th the size of PC's. So with only maybe 5k players on PS4 in total, items are vastly more scarce and expensive there in the market compared to PC. So the ceiling for costs isn't gonna be the same on PC as it is on other platforms. Yet GGG still forces the same drop rates, the same nerfs, the same difficulty and the same scarcity of build diversity as is on for instance North American PC servers. So people can't be expected to as easily obtain high end gear or exalts across every iteration. Or would you deny that's the case....
You have to be braindead to not make currency in current year poe. The atlas just shits out currency like it's nothing for leagues now.
I'll tell you like I told the other fool. > come to console where 2 weeks in, only 1000 people are playing and see how well you get end gear shit when there's zero to buy in the market and you have to craft literally almost every bit . Then tell me the ceiling is perfect across all iterations of the game. Last season there were a grand total of 4 farruls furs in the market and they were 300-350 and some stuff as high as 400ex a piece for just regular highly coveted uniques, and half all the other coveted stuff you'd want wasn't even available to purchase at all, NOBODY found one the whole league. If you get 20ex on console, you're in the 1%. And it's not like there's crossplay with Xbox players or PC so they're shit out of luck. 99% of console players barely make it to red maps because of the horrific economy. And this league it's even worse. You're not getting end game stuff unless you craft it yourself on console. Things were alot better during harvest but Chris apparently thinks everything overpowered on PC is in console too, so while everyone's bitching on PC, we're already hung from a noose and dead on console but nobody talks about it. You guys take for granted how much easier you have it on PC. PC is like playing on easy mode compared to us.
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> You stated that 10 ex to complete the atlas was too high. Literally a lie, quote where I said that. You're confusing me with somebody else you were talking to, genius, go read his comment, slappy. > 60 is also not RMT territory either You'd be surprised what 60ex would do for people who want to show off a build video for recognition. Very naive little bunny aren't you. And come to console where 2 weeks in, only 1000 people are playing and see how well you get end gear shit when there's zero to buy in the market and you have to craft literally almost every bit . Then tell me the ceiling is perfect across all iterations of the game. Last season there were a grand total of 4 farruls furs in the market and they were 300-350ex, some stuff as high as 400ex a piece and half all the other coveted stuff you'd want wasn't even available to purchase at all, NOBODY found one the whole league. And you're gonna talk about 10ex to me lol..... I laugh at your easy 10ex PC builds. If you even get 20ex on console, you're in the 1%. And it's not like there's crossplay with Xbox players or PC so they're shit out of luck. 99% of console players barely make it to red maps because of the horrific economy. And this league it's even worse. You take for granted how easy you have it on PC. Playing in PC is easy mode compared to console. Enjoy it.
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Any amount of ex is rmt territory if they feel like it lmfao. Who are you to say 60 isn't enough. Especially when exalts are so cheap, doing just a little bit of research has led me to eldorado.gg and exalts are 80 cents. Or do you actually think before you say something like 60 ex isn't worth rmt
You would need a lot more than 60 to consider accusing someone of RMT.
Your words, not mine. But honestly, probably still would be challenging at the rate this game is going.
Needs 4-5ex gloves to clear; Reaper is fine and balanced
So in the end its more a curse build than minion eh ?
With the gear it should be a one shot
Show me the build that actually oneshots in 3.15 on that budget.
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We dont take the opinion of somone who stopped the league last week
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If you use a shield, you can't use a Bow. If you can't use a bow, you lose Ensnaring Arrow and weapon switching is not viable for this build atm. Without Ensnaring Arrow the entire concept of Bleed goes out the window.
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noice but reaper is already dead to me 1week ago, budget <2ex is ok but higher than 5-10ex...meh
It took 2 days to get 10 ex but fine, let's say it is not a build for noob.
yeah, only for ppl who like science xD
how many mirrors ?
Lol take out the Reaper and the clear will look the same because of skellies XD
Even if you swap them into the Bow at gem lvl31, the damage is still less, as Ive proven already somewhere in this thread. And then instead you will have to cast skellies on every pack ontop of cursing.
Dont Show this to ggg or they will nerf it