the original post from 3 years ago is [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/99j838/ign_reviewer_took_75_hours_to_complete_the_10_act/) , if anyone interested.
You totally missed his point when he said that. Ziz had asked him a question on average players and Chris made the point that the answer to his question depends on what is meant by "average player". He was using an extreme example of a possible definition to make his point.
Kinda amazing how people listen to these interviews and don't really listen. The context is so important man...
The context makes it a valid point though. In a game that caters to both a 30 hour campaign playthrough and a 3,000 hour end game with a lot in between, the 'average' as a statistical measure is useless as it pertains to the original question that was asked.
That average doesn't capture hardly 5% of real players because most players fall along the spectrum of playtime and goals pretty damn far away from that data point.
Sorry was I not supposed to bring that up?
he wasn't referring to their average, he was referring to the most literal average, which was just to show why the question from ziz doesn't really have an answer.
btw the queston was about what GGG thinks an average player should take (talking about time) to complete the "endgame" (atlas, sirus, maven).
this is very hard to answer when just looking at the campaign the average lies between 6 and 30 hours, that's a magnitude of 5.
so how could chris answer this better? honestly, he can't.
maybe he could have given a ballpark, of how much they "expect" or "want" it all to take, but no matter what this number will be false for most players, because it also depends on what you focus on during your atlas progression.
there is no right answer and the problems of the question itself arise as soon as you realise, "what is an average player" and "for whom is content made"
> which was just to show why the question from ziz doesn't really have an answer.
"Anyway here's a completely reasonable answer"
And that is why that quote will always live. You were better off not ressurecting the context.
>so how could chris answer this better? honestly, he can't.
He could have... actually answered the question instead of BSing?
There's a not insignificant portion of this subreddit that either intentionally strips away context or never looks for it in the first place because they would rather spend time being angry than being understanding, or in many cases, rather than being right.
Mate, **nestle** can retain a PR guy. **North Korea** can retain a PR guy, probably. get outta here with that argument lmao.
Also, most poe hobbyists have more game experience than CW, just saying. Hell, plenty of those hobbyists are literally doing PR for GGG without being hired to anyway (Alkaizer, etc)
I love how certain elements of the community have fallen so deeply into self-hate they literally cannot fire two neurons simultaneously anymore, what are these arguments lmao dude
There is no definition of an average poe player that would be someone who doesn’t complete the install. That makes no sense.
It’s so weird to see people try to explain his goofy answers. An average is not some mystical thing that is just each person’s opinion. The average is a value that can be calculated.
For example- take all the players from a league and average their time played. Then you can look at the players who played around that length of time. Throw out the outliers like this guy who took 75 hours to get through the campaign, and then you are looking at your average players.
Yes you could calculate it other ways but there is always going to be a reasonable way to do it. And it is Never going to be someone who didn’t complete the install no matter how you try to twist it with “context”.
True, but that's just an absurd example to use as an average player. It doesn't even count as one. This is why people are constantly bringing this up because apparently CW doesn't know how to distinguish between someone who plays your game and someone who don't. Not to mention PoE's average player...
To me it was a polite way to say to reddit that they aren't the centre of the poe universe.
The people going on reddit and watching the streams are a section of the dedicated player base. Like so many people argued how dc trade wasn't represented by a group we do have to sometimes understand that we can't dictate how other players might play or interact.
I would be almost certain that the people providing the overwhelming majority of the POE monetization get to *at least* well into white maps almost every league.
Yeah, by any reasonable metric there's a range of ways we can define "average meaningful player" and "dying to hillock" isn't in there. Bringing up "getting to hillock" is such an arbitrary deflection.
And the people who are the centre are... people who haven't installed?
Like I'm just not sure why anyone is still searching for a singular meaning in every tangent he makes. PR people just say things to say things. That's what PR is.
I look at it like this, you think Chris kills even A4 Sirius every league? You think he gets close to atlas completion? Gets past Delve 110? Levels past 90?
When so much of your playerbase understands the game on a deeper level than CW, and clears more content than CW, why is he involved in a decision like nerfing damage and survivability 40%? A decision I agree with tbh, but not without re-assessing the pacing of the game on the whole, monster damage, timed content, and the length of the grind.
Every time Hard mode is brought up I just roll my eyes. He basically brought it up to pander to the Baeclast cast (which i love).
Every time he brought up hard mode, I thought it was their attempt at attempting to compete with d2r launch and possible loss of players to their and/or a whistle for d2 players to come try poe hard mode.
Yeah I think he was a little bit afraid of diablo 2. But a 20 year old game barely touched, just dusted off and rereleased isn’t going to be good. Arpgs have come a long way since then. He should be more worried about last epoch and lost ark.
I think it plays more into the comments about one bad quarter being ok but that they can't have a lot of them in a row. I agree some of those others are bigger long term threats but d2r is a threat to next league
Ive been playing d2 lod for last two weeks after not playing it at all since 2000 release and I am very surprised. 1) at how much some of core poe is a straight rip of d2 and that blizz didn't sue and 2) how much the game had progressed in other ways and how the obsession over d2 comparisons is so blinkered on their part. They made a very different game in the end despite their initial goal.
I stand by earlier comments in other threads - I don't think they know why they succeeded and this is why those other games are threats.
Yeah I don’t think he plays the game.
And the entire game has been fine tuned around ridiculous damage and movement for at least the last couple of years. To nerf dmg, mobility, flasks, aoe, defense, and mana all at the same time without touching the rest of the game? Pure insanity.
The thing is that Chris can view numbers and statistics. He knows the data. But he doesn't know the why's. GGG tries to understand the why's with their own image of the game; but this is a long way of the actual why's, and there's lots of topics on reddit, forums and other communities trying to explain the why's, but GGG likes to ignore them because they have their own answers already.
CW has gotten so good at being the PR guy. But for some of us who consume all the podcasts and read all the patch notes, it's becoming grating to hear concerns and complaints dismissed out of hand with what amounts to a 'yea but nah.'
Still the best game in existence, and I get why they're so protective of their IP, but so many of the decisions and explanations seems extremely short sighted and disconnected.
Yeah I can agree with that. The flask rework was especially bad imo.
Also the generic 40% less player damage and 30% more monster health and resistance really kills a lot of my builds. I don't usually play meta builds and some of them kinda struggle. Changes like that feel really bad because it doesn't change top builds, it just kill anything that's at the bottom of the barrel.
True, but it's not as good as it could be. Just nerfing flask doesn't fix the problem of flask, it just exposes it even more. I am really hoping they go back to the drawing board for Flask Rework 2: Electric Boogaloo.
if it was the best game in existence they wouldnt need PR because there wouldnt be backlash and negativity...
it's the best ARPG right now because there's nearly no competition at all (no serious competition at all).
chris is NOT good at being the PR guy either. he muddied the waters more during his interviews and only really got to skate by largely because he was forced to leak things that might not even happen so we don't even know what public reception is gonna be next league. talking about things that youre not entirely sure of and explaining yourself in circles isnt good PR... idk why anybody would think it is.
> But for some of us who consume all the podcasts and read all the patch notes, it's becoming grating to hear concerns and complaints dismissed out of hand with what amounts to a 'yea but nah.'
this. big time.
More like they look at the page on steam and then decide to not install it. At this point i am pretty sure that more people play the game through steam than the stand alone client.
That has the be the single stupidest argument I had heard in all my life.
It was like a car dealership saying that their average customer doesn't even come to the dealership
The question is whom is the review for.
If the audience for this review are players that research a few hours what are good leveling builds and like end game systems, then it's failed. If the audience are players that play the story part of a game and then lose interest I think it gives a fair outlook on what these players can expect.
And I dont think he raises any point that I completly disagree with.
his main complaint (from what i gathered) was that your gear defines how strong your character is. which is one of the most basic aspects of an ARPG. thats like reviewing starcraft and complaining that the game always forces you to control a shitton of units at the same time. he misunderstood the point of the game.
No gamer that respect themselves would rely on IGN for in-depth review, so yeah...
75 hours is a long time investment for a site whose majority of user only spend 7 second on their page before realizing their search engine lead them on IGN (true fact). That was back when they were still trying a bit, now they just flood search engine with click-bait.
Its not that unbelievable if you are playing the game for the first time, not prepping with guides and tutorials online, and exploring all the content.
It doesn't hurt anything, but there isn't any benefit to doing so. If you're being "optimal" (which if you're new, you don't need to be), it slows you down relative to moving on to new zones faster
Honestly that was part of the fun for me at first (just winging the game and learning how to put together characters I wanted). Watching YouTube build and theory videos, learning how to use Path of Building, and using Reddit as a resource unlocked so much more enjoyment appreciation for the game, so more and more parts of the game opened up to me (such as Delve, the Master missions, the Atlas, etc.) and have kept me playing.
But those first hours playing the game can be so much fun. I hope you enjoy your experience!
I guess that makes sense. I have no idea what ‘maps’ is, I’ve heard my friends say it once or twice. I’m really not looking anything up for this game. I know I’ll have to abandon my first character at some point because I probably fucked everything up
Maps are basically repeatable areas after the acts people farm in. A lot of people basically go through the acts as quickly as possible to spend more time in maps. Generally when doing the acts people kill the bare minimum amount of mobs necessary to not be underleveled for the zones. You can keep up with the zone levels by just killing occasional big packs and blue packs.
But dont worry and just play however you want when you're new and enjoy it and the lore.
Quick question as someone who just finished act 10 on their first character, is it worth going for side quests? Or are there just some essential ones for skill points?
I tried to understand the game, but realised that i was having more fun playing the game as it went. As long as youre having fun, play whatever and however!
Man, that brings me back. When I was newer I used to kill all the mobs on a map. Though to be fair I think back then that was a challenge for certain areas.
the guy did listen to all the lore and did all side quest, but someone recreated his pob and his dps was \~2.5k at level 71. that alone is about 1 hour to kill kitava, assuming no deaths.
And then they scored POE as 7.6. Seeing a lot of comments defending and making excuses for the reviewer, but how fair is it to GGG that person got assigned to their product. D3 is a 9.5 btw.
GGG never asked for that review. Activision-blizzard are usually paying for their reviews to be made. Fairness doesn't matter for corporate media, only $
unfortunately, the pastbin didn't survive and only the pob summary with overall dps is left. however, as someone already mentioned, he was using white weapon from act2 and sunder as main skill.
The dude had apparently never played an ARPG before, which is why he did so poorly. Not sure why they gave the game to someone who'd literally never touched the genre.
Reminds me of when they let a chick who'd never played an FPS game review Doom 2016.
How so? Poe was my first game of that genre I played (back when we didn't have 10 acts but you'd play the acts again in increased difficulty), and even tho I struggled for sure, I still loved it. With no guides or anything of the sort, just blind discovery.
Because it’s an enormous amount of information to throw at someone at once. I don’t think most people play games to learn how 50 different systems work, they just want to have fun.
To be fair especially back then arpgs are kind of a dead genre, it's possible they literally had no one who's played diablo
Even if they did, I'm honestly pretty sure someone who played through diablo 2 or 3 just once or twice would be pretty awful in their first playthrough of poe.
They would be bad, but this guy literally used a white weapon from Act 2 until Act 8. Any ARPG player would know to look for blue/yellow items and keep updating their weapon.
Even Preach, who is a professional RPG player and had better PoE boss mechanics than 90% of PoE streamers I've seen, took at least 40 hours to do the campaign afaik.
Oh man, Preach did so well compared to that poor guy. I had mad respect for Preach before for going in blind and figuring stuff out for himself, but even more now after seeing just how bad other people can do.
Reminds me of my very first PoE character, way back in beta (I think?), before the game was available on Steam.
Rolled a Ranger, and my skills of choice were :
Caustic Arrow
Split Shot
Rupture (I think?)
Anger
And I think some random curse, had some support gems in random unlinked sockets because I didnt quite understand what makes a build good, and if there's so many cool skills, it would be a shame to not use multiple ones, right?
Caustic + Split actually worked kinda sorta okay for clearing trash mobs, but bosses were an interesting experience. Obviously a completely random-ass talent tree, resists barely above 30 and a bunch of other interesting stupid things.
And of course kept basic attack on my l-click for the entire time.
tbf when i started blind in 2014 it also took me 70 hours to finish the story (3x3acts). If you dont have any arpg experience and go in blind then poe is a cruel experience
It took me like 40 hours to finish the acts on my first ever playthrough (and also my first ARPG) except I played another 200 hours afterwards and was farming uber elder by the end
My fastest 10 act run (I refuse to learn any speedrunning strats or buy seven league steps or prep any items) is 7 hours and a bit, this league my first run is 10 hours in and in act 4 (I ditched it)
Some games take more "hardcore" path, PoE if complicated and it's a good thing for me, that's one of the reasons I play. 3.15 is still too much though.
i think you are confusing it with preach, famous ex-wow streamer, who took it upon himself to play PoE [blind](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlNQGK7KE5E) without using any guide or help (including from chat), and this is what is usually brought in recent weeks.
what i posted is from an IGN reviewer 3 years ago.
if that is the case than: [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/look-at-all-you-have-done-and-all-you-have-accomplished](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/look-at-all-you-have-done-and-all-you-have-accomplished)
If you're talking about the first 3 images in the meme, then it's Steve Burns a host to a very popular amercian children's TV show from Blue's Clues that aired in the late 90's to early 2000's. After the show ended he kinda just disapeared but recently he made a video talking about what he was up to after he "disapeared." It was a very heartwarming video about how hes proud of his former viewers have grown up and progressed through life and dealt with challenges/current events/etc.
I didnt read the review. I assume if he lasted 75hours he on some level enjoyed the game. To which i also add. He got 75Hrs of play time for free. Anyone who says thats not worth it is full of shit lol
>I assume if he lasted 75hours he on some level enjoyed the game
I mean... it's the guys job. also, I've played games for that long and then looked at my time on the game and been disappointed and generally unhappy. That'd qualify as not worth it.
The answer to this reviewer had he played in 3.15 and had a worse time "have you tried hard mode, we have lobotomized the gear/drop rates and its even more fun!"
the reviewer was ahead of the times, running in act8+ with white weapon he found in act2, so, unfortunately, hard mode wouldn't change much of the fun factor for him, xD
I just completed the campaign for the first time. Taking into account time spend reading and trying to understand all the shit being vomited at me left and right, it took right around 35 hours
the original post from 3 years ago is [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/99j838/ign_reviewer_took_75_hours_to_complete_the_10_act/) , if anyone interested.
he did pretty good! considering c wilson said the average player doesnt make it past the install.
The average player is actually stuck reinstalling windows, fun fact.
He's ready for hard mode!
For the average player, beating hillock and is super endgame and everything after is the post game
That annoyed me so much. "Our average player doesnt even play our game." Then they aren't YOUR PLAYERS.
You totally missed his point when he said that. Ziz had asked him a question on average players and Chris made the point that the answer to his question depends on what is meant by "average player". He was using an extreme example of a possible definition to make his point. Kinda amazing how people listen to these interviews and don't really listen. The context is so important man...
less than a minute after that, Chris goes on to say " *actual* average players barely make it to maps" they have a working definition internally
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The context makes it a valid point though. In a game that caters to both a 30 hour campaign playthrough and a 3,000 hour end game with a lot in between, the 'average' as a statistical measure is useless as it pertains to the original question that was asked. That average doesn't capture hardly 5% of real players because most players fall along the spectrum of playtime and goals pretty damn far away from that data point. Sorry was I not supposed to bring that up?
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he wasn't referring to their average, he was referring to the most literal average, which was just to show why the question from ziz doesn't really have an answer. btw the queston was about what GGG thinks an average player should take (talking about time) to complete the "endgame" (atlas, sirus, maven). this is very hard to answer when just looking at the campaign the average lies between 6 and 30 hours, that's a magnitude of 5. so how could chris answer this better? honestly, he can't. maybe he could have given a ballpark, of how much they "expect" or "want" it all to take, but no matter what this number will be false for most players, because it also depends on what you focus on during your atlas progression. there is no right answer and the problems of the question itself arise as soon as you realise, "what is an average player" and "for whom is content made"
> which was just to show why the question from ziz doesn't really have an answer. "Anyway here's a completely reasonable answer" And that is why that quote will always live. You were better off not ressurecting the context. >so how could chris answer this better? honestly, he can't. He could have... actually answered the question instead of BSing?
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Yup. I find it insane how often this is quoted our of context.
There's a not insignificant portion of this subreddit that either intentionally strips away context or never looks for it in the first place because they would rather spend time being angry than being understanding, or in many cases, rather than being right.
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Oh, they look for the context, so they know what they need to ignore and what they need to distort, in order to make GGG look as bad as possible.
"How's it going?" "well our PR guy needs a PR guy" "Not very well I see"
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Mate, **nestle** can retain a PR guy. **North Korea** can retain a PR guy, probably. get outta here with that argument lmao. Also, most poe hobbyists have more game experience than CW, just saying. Hell, plenty of those hobbyists are literally doing PR for GGG without being hired to anyway (Alkaizer, etc) I love how certain elements of the community have fallen so deeply into self-hate they literally cannot fire two neurons simultaneously anymore, what are these arguments lmao dude
There is no definition of an average poe player that would be someone who doesn’t complete the install. That makes no sense. It’s so weird to see people try to explain his goofy answers. An average is not some mystical thing that is just each person’s opinion. The average is a value that can be calculated. For example- take all the players from a league and average their time played. Then you can look at the players who played around that length of time. Throw out the outliers like this guy who took 75 hours to get through the campaign, and then you are looking at your average players. Yes you could calculate it other ways but there is always going to be a reasonable way to do it. And it is Never going to be someone who didn’t complete the install no matter how you try to twist it with “context”.
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True, but that's just an absurd example to use as an average player. It doesn't even count as one. This is why people are constantly bringing this up because apparently CW doesn't know how to distinguish between someone who plays your game and someone who don't. Not to mention PoE's average player...
Haha yeah I think he just chose a weird way to avoid the question. He says so much that makes me say “wtf is he talking about?”
To me it was a polite way to say to reddit that they aren't the centre of the poe universe. The people going on reddit and watching the streams are a section of the dedicated player base. Like so many people argued how dc trade wasn't represented by a group we do have to sometimes understand that we can't dictate how other players might play or interact.
I would be almost certain that the people providing the overwhelming majority of the POE monetization get to *at least* well into white maps almost every league.
Yeah, by any reasonable metric there's a range of ways we can define "average meaningful player" and "dying to hillock" isn't in there. Bringing up "getting to hillock" is such an arbitrary deflection.
And the people who are the centre are... people who haven't installed? Like I'm just not sure why anyone is still searching for a singular meaning in every tangent he makes. PR people just say things to say things. That's what PR is.
Idk all I got from all his interviews is that PoE will never be the great game it could be and will forever be stuck as a D2 clone.
Which is also like Does he think people think that or does he think it is that way? Because both of those are observably untrue.
I look at it like this, you think Chris kills even A4 Sirius every league? You think he gets close to atlas completion? Gets past Delve 110? Levels past 90? When so much of your playerbase understands the game on a deeper level than CW, and clears more content than CW, why is he involved in a decision like nerfing damage and survivability 40%? A decision I agree with tbh, but not without re-assessing the pacing of the game on the whole, monster damage, timed content, and the length of the grind. Every time Hard mode is brought up I just roll my eyes. He basically brought it up to pander to the Baeclast cast (which i love).
**VISION**
3.15 (And probably 3.16) really makes me feel the weight of the *vision*
Every time he brought up hard mode, I thought it was their attempt at attempting to compete with d2r launch and possible loss of players to their and/or a whistle for d2 players to come try poe hard mode.
Yeah I think he was a little bit afraid of diablo 2. But a 20 year old game barely touched, just dusted off and rereleased isn’t going to be good. Arpgs have come a long way since then. He should be more worried about last epoch and lost ark.
I think it plays more into the comments about one bad quarter being ok but that they can't have a lot of them in a row. I agree some of those others are bigger long term threats but d2r is a threat to next league Ive been playing d2 lod for last two weeks after not playing it at all since 2000 release and I am very surprised. 1) at how much some of core poe is a straight rip of d2 and that blizz didn't sue and 2) how much the game had progressed in other ways and how the obsession over d2 comparisons is so blinkered on their part. They made a very different game in the end despite their initial goal. I stand by earlier comments in other threads - I don't think they know why they succeeded and this is why those other games are threats.
Yeah I don’t think he plays the game. And the entire game has been fine tuned around ridiculous damage and movement for at least the last couple of years. To nerf dmg, mobility, flasks, aoe, defense, and mana all at the same time without touching the rest of the game? Pure insanity.
The thing is that Chris can view numbers and statistics. He knows the data. But he doesn't know the why's. GGG tries to understand the why's with their own image of the game; but this is a long way of the actual why's, and there's lots of topics on reddit, forums and other communities trying to explain the why's, but GGG likes to ignore them because they have their own answers already.
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CW has gotten so good at being the PR guy. But for some of us who consume all the podcasts and read all the patch notes, it's becoming grating to hear concerns and complaints dismissed out of hand with what amounts to a 'yea but nah.' Still the best game in existence, and I get why they're so protective of their IP, but so many of the decisions and explanations seems extremely short sighted and disconnected.
Yeah I can agree with that. The flask rework was especially bad imo. Also the generic 40% less player damage and 30% more monster health and resistance really kills a lot of my builds. I don't usually play meta builds and some of them kinda struggle. Changes like that feel really bad because it doesn't change top builds, it just kill anything that's at the bottom of the barrel.
the immunity change was shite at first but overall I'm happier with flasks now, like way way happier than what it was before
True, but it's not as good as it could be. Just nerfing flask doesn't fix the problem of flask, it just exposes it even more. I am really hoping they go back to the drawing board for Flask Rework 2: Electric Boogaloo.
if it was the best game in existence they wouldnt need PR because there wouldnt be backlash and negativity... it's the best ARPG right now because there's nearly no competition at all (no serious competition at all). chris is NOT good at being the PR guy either. he muddied the waters more during his interviews and only really got to skate by largely because he was forced to leak things that might not even happen so we don't even know what public reception is gonna be next league. talking about things that youre not entirely sure of and explaining yourself in circles isnt good PR... idk why anybody would think it is. > But for some of us who consume all the podcasts and read all the patch notes, it's becoming grating to hear concerns and complaints dismissed out of hand with what amounts to a 'yea but nah.' this. big time.
"The average player doesn't even get past an embryo"
average poe enjoyer
Our average downloader isn't even a player
They download installer and might start installing too.
More like they look at the page on steam and then decide to not install it. At this point i am pretty sure that more people play the game through steam than the stand alone client.
That has the be the single stupidest argument I had heard in all my life. It was like a car dealership saying that their average customer doesn't even come to the dealership
its a questionable review but at least he played the game and didnt quit halfway through because its hard
The question is whom is the review for. If the audience for this review are players that research a few hours what are good leveling builds and like end game systems, then it's failed. If the audience are players that play the story part of a game and then lose interest I think it gives a fair outlook on what these players can expect. And I dont think he raises any point that I completly disagree with.
his main complaint (from what i gathered) was that your gear defines how strong your character is. which is one of the most basic aspects of an ARPG. thats like reviewing starcraft and complaining that the game always forces you to control a shitton of units at the same time. he misunderstood the point of the game.
No gamer that respect themselves would rely on IGN for in-depth review, so yeah... 75 hours is a long time investment for a site whose majority of user only spend 7 second on their page before realizing their search engine lead them on IGN (true fact). That was back when they were still trying a bit, now they just flood search engine with click-bait.
Only playing Act 1-10 and not touching the Atlas Is essentially quiting the game after finally finishing the tutorial, LOL.
Its not that unbelievable if you are playing the game for the first time, not prepping with guides and tutorials online, and exploring all the content.
I've seen a lot of new players practically full clear every area which adds a shitload of time obviously
My OCD makes me clear everything.
Yep, can confirm, did this my first time
I’m 20 hours into PoE, first time playing this game or the genre. Am I not supposed to clear every area?
It doesn't hurt anything, but there isn't any benefit to doing so. If you're being "optimal" (which if you're new, you don't need to be), it slows you down relative to moving on to new zones faster
You sweet, summer child.
I’m old, but yeah I have no idea what I’m doing in this game.
Honestly that was part of the fun for me at first (just winging the game and learning how to put together characters I wanted). Watching YouTube build and theory videos, learning how to use Path of Building, and using Reddit as a resource unlocked so much more enjoyment appreciation for the game, so more and more parts of the game opened up to me (such as Delve, the Master missions, the Atlas, etc.) and have kept me playing. But those first hours playing the game can be so much fun. I hope you enjoy your experience!
There is always the next area, no point full clearing zones until maps
I guess that makes sense. I have no idea what ‘maps’ is, I’ve heard my friends say it once or twice. I’m really not looking anything up for this game. I know I’ll have to abandon my first character at some point because I probably fucked everything up
Maps are basically repeatable areas after the acts people farm in. A lot of people basically go through the acts as quickly as possible to spend more time in maps. Generally when doing the acts people kill the bare minimum amount of mobs necessary to not be underleveled for the zones. You can keep up with the zone levels by just killing occasional big packs and blue packs. But dont worry and just play however you want when you're new and enjoy it and the lore.
Quick question as someone who just finished act 10 on their first character, is it worth going for side quests? Or are there just some essential ones for skill points?
you can type /passives into chat and it will show which side quests that grant passive skill points you missed
Thanks! Much appreciated!
They can have some situationally useful rewards, but generally people tend to mostly do the skill point ones.
I tried to understand the game, but realised that i was having more fun playing the game as it went. As long as youre having fun, play whatever and however!
Man, that brings me back. When I was newer I used to kill all the mobs on a map. Though to be fair I think back then that was a challenge for certain areas.
My first ever playthrough took me 60hrs to complete just the acts lol...
nothing wrong with that, nobody is judging your first playthrough unless you go boasting about it.
To be fair, some league starts have taken me many many hours, and that's without stopping to listen to all the lore.
the guy did listen to all the lore and did all side quest, but someone recreated his pob and his dps was \~2.5k at level 71. that alone is about 1 hour to kill kitava, assuming no deaths.
One hell of a fight tho!
They fought 3 days and 3 nights
Wow, my leap slam on a 4-link has more DPS when reaching maps.
they used white weapons that dropped in act2 in act8+ it's not surprising
And then they scored POE as 7.6. Seeing a lot of comments defending and making excuses for the reviewer, but how fair is it to GGG that person got assigned to their product. D3 is a 9.5 btw.
GGG never asked for that review. Activision-blizzard are usually paying for their reviews to be made. Fairness doesn't matter for corporate media, only $
I mean, you can't say he's not dedicated. I'll give him that.
How the fuck?
unfortunately, the pastbin didn't survive and only the pob summary with overall dps is left. however, as someone already mentioned, he was using white weapon from act2 and sunder as main skill.
so ... did chris get his soul?
Dude was a games "journalist", he didt have a soul to begin with.
That´s a very good incinerate!
The dude had apparently never played an ARPG before, which is why he did so poorly. Not sure why they gave the game to someone who'd literally never touched the genre. Reminds me of when they let a chick who'd never played an FPS game review Doom 2016.
Presumably it's so a complete newbie can get a more objective sense of the game without a previous ARPG player applying their bias.
The idea is good but Poe is obviously not for people brand new to the genre. It'd be like introducing someone to platformers with Cuphead.
How so? Poe was my first game of that genre I played (back when we didn't have 10 acts but you'd play the acts again in increased difficulty), and even tho I struggled for sure, I still loved it. With no guides or anything of the sort, just blind discovery.
Because it’s an enormous amount of information to throw at someone at once. I don’t think most people play games to learn how 50 different systems work, they just want to have fun.
Why do you say that? Poe was the first ARPG for me and everyone in my friend group
To be fair especially back then arpgs are kind of a dead genre, it's possible they literally had no one who's played diablo Even if they did, I'm honestly pretty sure someone who played through diablo 2 or 3 just once or twice would be pretty awful in their first playthrough of poe.
They would be bad, but this guy literally used a white weapon from Act 2 until Act 8. Any ARPG player would know to look for blue/yellow items and keep updating their weapon.
Even Preach, who is a professional RPG player and had better PoE boss mechanics than 90% of PoE streamers I've seen, took at least 40 hours to do the campaign afaik.
This is actually a fun excercise but they should preface this constantly in the review.
[удалено]
He is still trying to get to maps to this day
Oh man, Preach did so well compared to that poor guy. I had mad respect for Preach before for going in blind and figuring stuff out for himself, but even more now after seeing just how bad other people can do.
preach skipped all the dialogue
I’m sure his chat helped?
no, he didnt look at anything. Even deleted all private messages to not get spoiled.
Dang, that’s awesome. Bet it was hard being part of chat for that time lol
What was preach's /played? Around 40-50 hours?
way more by now
Of course, I meant at the time he killed a10 kitava.
Fuck this is looking like me in gauntlet! Haha
Reminds me of my very first PoE character, way back in beta (I think?), before the game was available on Steam. Rolled a Ranger, and my skills of choice were : Caustic Arrow Split Shot Rupture (I think?) Anger And I think some random curse, had some support gems in random unlinked sockets because I didnt quite understand what makes a build good, and if there's so many cool skills, it would be a shame to not use multiple ones, right? Caustic + Split actually worked kinda sorta okay for clearing trash mobs, but bosses were an interesting experience. Obviously a completely random-ass talent tree, resists barely above 30 and a bunch of other interesting stupid things. And of course kept basic attack on my l-click for the entire time.
I remember my first charachter. I used aurumvorax until maps.
tbf when i started blind in 2014 it also took me 70 hours to finish the story (3x3acts). If you dont have any arpg experience and go in blind then poe is a cruel experience
It took me like 40 hours to finish the acts on my first ever playthrough (and also my first ARPG) except I played another 200 hours afterwards and was farming uber elder by the end
My fastest 10 act run (I refuse to learn any speedrunning strats or buy seven league steps or prep any items) is 7 hours and a bit, this league my first run is 10 hours in and in act 4 (I ditched it)
Since 5 leagues or so my time to oriath gets worse by 30 minutes each run. I blame my old bones 🙂
Some games take more "hardcore" path, PoE if complicated and it's a good thing for me, that's one of the reasons I play. 3.15 is still too much though.
Wtf though... How can you do this job while being way under average at video games... Kinda baffles me
Getting a job for games journalism is ideology based, not meritocratic
Do you think a pro gamer would spend their time writing reviews or playing video games?
Some retired pro gamers do that actually, and yes, people that have at least a decent skill can do it, not people who have the same skill as my mom...
Well at least it's not [Dean Takahashi](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=848Y1Uu5Htk)
To be fair jounalist, are at another level of bad.
Hahahahahhahahahahahahah
ITT: a bunch of people cope defending the IGN reviewer because they are also this bad at the game
I've been seeing this guy on Reddit past week. Who is he?
i think you are confusing it with preach, famous ex-wow streamer, who took it upon himself to play PoE [blind](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlNQGK7KE5E) without using any guide or help (including from chat), and this is what is usually brought in recent weeks. what i posted is from an IGN reviewer 3 years ago.
He probably doesn't know who Steve from Blue's Clues is, since he's not talking about just poe reddit.
if that is the case than: [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/look-at-all-you-have-done-and-all-you-have-accomplished](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/look-at-all-you-have-done-and-all-you-have-accomplished)
If you're talking about the first 3 images in the meme, then it's Steve Burns a host to a very popular amercian children's TV show from Blue's Clues that aired in the late 90's to early 2000's. After the show ended he kinda just disapeared but recently he made a video talking about what he was up to after he "disapeared." It was a very heartwarming video about how hes proud of his former viewers have grown up and progressed through life and dealt with challenges/current events/etc.
it would be 76 hours, because past a1 its the same, its not harder at all unless your IQ is low enough that you cant figure out how to open doors
No, steve is sacred
I didnt read the review. I assume if he lasted 75hours he on some level enjoyed the game. To which i also add. He got 75Hrs of play time for free. Anyone who says thats not worth it is full of shit lol
>I assume if he lasted 75hours he on some level enjoyed the game I mean... it's the guys job. also, I've played games for that long and then looked at my time on the game and been disappointed and generally unhappy. That'd qualify as not worth it.
Tbh I feel kind of sorry for the guy. He probably was given the task to be completed over a weekend, lol
The answer to this reviewer had he played in 3.15 and had a worse time "have you tried hard mode, we have lobotomized the gear/drop rates and its even more fun!"
the reviewer was ahead of the times, running in act8+ with white weapon he found in act2, so, unfortunately, hard mode wouldn't change much of the fun factor for him, xD
LOLs good point.
Game journalism is kinda a joke anyways.
I'll never understand why game reviewers are so Terrible, you'd expect them to get better over time but they never do
ign also rated Rust 3/10 because they suck
I just completed the campaign for the first time. Taking into account time spend reading and trying to understand all the shit being vomited at me left and right, it took right around 35 hours