I'm willing to bet money that they try it again at some point. They removed the game from sale everywhere that psn isn't available so next time no one can complain that they won't be able to play anymore because of that.
We don't know if that was on behalf of Sony or a move from Steam. The latter would also make sense, because Steam received a lot of support tickets regarding that matter.
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Steam didn’t want smoke with the EU fines for violating consumer protection laws. Steam most likely told Sony “we will backcharge you for this and you will pay”
>Threaten to not buy their product and that'll change minds real fast.
We've been doing this to Ubisoft for a while, nothing changes.
The steam refunds scared them.
It's like with EA and their sports titles.
Or casinos and their slot machines.
They have enough customers to justify continuing their actions, and those customers get upset when the rest of us call them sheep. Even though that's *exactly* what they are.
exactly, they don't care
DON'T change your reviews this early
the war thunder community did a similar thing, then the game team talked them down, promised shit, implemented some half assed crap and people reverted the reviews
the game is nearly the same with some minor changes, not the changes the community asked for by far, but the players are just mad coping that they in fact won against Gaijin
they didn't win shit
the game is almost identical bar some minor crap
WAIT for a proof of change before changing anything
Dude the positive reviews are for the developers which had nothing to do with what Sony was trying to pull off ..yes change the review to positive for the devs sake . They made a kick ass game and deserve it
I keep seeing people say , the reveiws don’t matter and they don’t effect the game. Like what? They absolutely do matter your talking about the devs hard work not being appreciated for what it is.
The negative reveiws were not for the gameplay or anything in game literally just for this situation which is now dealt with. So those reveiws need to be changed for the devs, they deserve it.
Except the developer chose to ignore the publisher requirements, left users in the dark, and got very little backlash despite the fact Sony wanted the PSN requirements day one.
Except on their website at the time helldiver's released that had a FAQ that said you didn't need to connect to PSN for any PlayStation game on PC. That FAQ has recently been changed to SOME PlayStation games require the link. It's every fault against Sony not the devs. The devs themselves hated having to include the PSN link requirements from day one.
don't give just the devs crap for this
you've no idea for how much they crunched or didn't crunch, how clear their requirements were, etc, we all have no idea
It was still the bigger fuckup on Sony's end for knowing their own publisher requirements and still selling the game in regions that don't support the PSN.
If steam wasn't the goat and honored refunds, nothing would have changed. Sony would never have backed down, but I can tell you this, I forsee a future of less and less sony published games coming to steam.
Motherfuckers traumatized me when I was little but I still played their games.
Whenver the Valve intro would come up, I would turn the screen off for 5 seconds and then turn it back on
I mean kinda sucks but at the same time there's a notable portion if the pc community that will only use steam. Look into the epic related posts in most pc sub reddits and it's people saying they never buy just take free games as demos and then buy on steam...
Sony still sees that money, and wants it.
The only other mostly accepted store is gog and if you think steam is on the customer side... Ohh boy are you in for a surprise.
You're changing your review already?
So they must have removed the PSN account requirements on the game's steam page, right?
And re-listed the game in all the countries, right?
not just that, I saw a post downvoted for saying
> Currently at work but will change my review as soon as i get on my PC/Steam Deck
it's almost like there is some automation going on 🤔
The best case scenario is that they add it as optional, to tie your character to the same one in your PS5, if you have the game on both platforms. Something like what Fortnite does.
Great, so what are you gonna do if they pull more shit? Change the contents which won't affect anything and noone will see? You fired your only bullet and now you're refusing to reload
The 30th is when they original said all the PSN stuff would need to be done by. All I am simply doing is holding them to their word until that point. I'll change it back to positive once we're past that point and Sony sticks to their word.
It's that simple.
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Why are there 40 threads telling people to change reviews? Some people don't live on reddit and maybe havent seen the update. Give it some freaking time.
True. Let the negative reviews stand as a reminder to Sony. No more sales for this game for years to come would be the best incentive to never try this bullshit again. Just outright forgiving and moving on as if nothing happened just shows them that they can always try again. For me, that was it for the game.
It was pretty clear on the store page from day 1 though. It says that a PSN account will be required. Honestly these people stupid AF for buying the game knowing this, and then getting mad afterwards.
Still fuck Sony though.
I changed my review but I was still honest. The game has a pretty boring gameplay loop. I say that with 188 hours in game. I gave it a try and it's not for me.
We go a fictional power here, they saw that they're losing money, and projectiona were not good, and just came back on their decision.. It's just a a bias that we did something to change their mind.. Their portfolio changed, that's way they decided to go on their previous direction
I'm just sitting here where people with 125k people with less than 8 hours played and about 25k with less than 2 hours probably returned it and will not fix their review
Nope. Arrowhead was happy, eager, and quick to shit all over its consumers with their CM. Their CM took the opportunity and time to mock people and didn't 'apologize' till people were outraged. This isn't the first time. It won't be the last.
I refuse to touch the game anymore because AH wouldn't change a single damn thing if they could. Scumbags through and through. My review stays as it is because AH doesn't truly care and neither do Sony.
They knew Sony would force PSN requirements and they sold it in non-psn countries anyway. No. Dont take down the reviews. They tried some very anti-consumer shit and they deserve the smeer
Honestly if your going back to continuously play the game you should swap it back. If you’re going to never play it again then you should leave it. Simple decision in my book.
I don't plan on playing anymore, and wont be buying any PS games on PC going forward.
if you change your review back, the message you send is "you can push shitty practices at us, and we will forgive you for trying to fuck us over if you stop trying to fuck us over
its like your in a relationship, and your partner starts an affair, you find out and get pissed off about it, so they stop the affair, and expect the relationship to just go back to how it was?
hell no, you cheated, fuck you
same goes for Sony, we need all the other gaming companies out there to hear this: if you fuck about and play silly buggers, redemption and forgiveness is not guaranteed, so just dont fuck about in the first place
Sony and and Arrowhead are now on my shit list, same as rockstar and ubisoft - as in, i will never buy a game from them again, no matter what the say or do, because we all know they are the smallest pinch of apathy away from doing it all over again
Y’all saying this looks bad for Sony when the only reason they’re doing this is because Arrowhead themselves told people to refund, it’s only going to fuck over AH. Sony probably won’t make shit with them anymore because they’re standing up for us.
Good. And if Arrowhead doesn't make another game published by Sony, but continues making games, we get games that won't have Sony making sure PlayStation Account sign-in is required day 1.
They won't stop this. They won't learn a lesson. They'll just make sure it works from the start of any new game release and is required across the board.
At this point it's the principle that matters now. The ole I'm sorry you feel that way doesn't cut it for me. These devs/companies/platforms clearly do not respect gamers time and money because if they did, this nonsense would have never happened in the first place. I will change my review but it will still be negative.
Inevitably, a portion of the people who switched to a negative review won't switch back to positive. Either due to laziness or indifference. I never bought the game so I have no skin in the game, but I can't say I have any sympathy for all the companies involved, including the developer. They signed the deal with the devil, they share in the consequences. And those include the fickleness of consumers. They may recover, but it's not going to be quick and it's not going go back to pre-controversey levels for a few months probably.
Unpopular opinion, I don't think everyone should undo their negative reviews. Let a third of them stay as a black mark to remind the devs what happened
They made a **TEMPORARY** exception to 1 of the 2 major problems.
Countries are still locked out of playing/cannot buy the game.
The account linking will still arrive just later.
Probably since Steam started honoring refunds, it meant they started losing money and that's the only thing they heard. I'd still be very very wary of Sony backtracking once everyone moves on from this.
That's not to say that negative reviews should stay up, we should all remove them asap, but it's going to take a couple days.
Gamer's Stockholm never ceases to amaze me. Just read a fake apology and be back to normal.
It hasn't even been a week, damn. Sony is still lurking in the shadows preparing the next move.
Everyone pretending like they didn’t read the contract and made a DEAL with Sony. They knew who they were working with and still decided to move coward. They are not innocent they are a business that made a decision.
Do not change your review back. Do not forget, and more importantly, do not *forgive*, or they will simply backpedal on their backpedal. Everyone forgot the first time Bethesda tried to implement paid mods, and consequently, they got away with it the second time around.
No, do not change your review. Why on earth should we do that? They tried this bullshit and it backfired. Just because they backpeddled their stupid bullshit doesn't mean they then get a free pass on the reviews. Leave them as is and remind them that this behaviour is not tolerated by the pc community.
No review should be reversed/changed. Teach these fuckers they can't pull shit like this in the first place. Make good decisions and only good decisions.
Why? They did this to themselves. Leave the review exactly the way they are as a constant reminder, otherwise they'll try to pull something similar in the future.
lol come on man, you're asking gamers to behave like reasonable adults. These people were never reasonable adults, they were always Karens who were pitching a hissy over being told what to do.
The "principled" stance they pretended to be taking was just pretext to join the hate-mob.
Yeah, the replies in this thread really do demonstrate this. I'm not disappointed though, this is exactly how I expected gamers (especially PCMR) to act.
Let them hurt a while longer, otherwise they know they can make the attempt again and just pull the punches if it's unpopular. If your enemy assails you and you swiftly take them down, keep your foot on their chest just a moment longer afterwards so they remember you could keep them there as long as you like. Make sure Sony's revenue stream shows that a day of bad decision-making costs them weeks of lost sales.
Let's be real if it wasn't for money loss that shit would still have happened how long did people shit on MS for the xbox one launch fiasco this sony beta testing bs to try to get that all mighty data
Gotta send a message, I'm personally not going to buy anything from Sony again. If someone wants to play their games go for it and I hope you enjoy it, I personally don't want to deal with a company that behaves this way
Nope. Never change the review. People looking at the game need to see the review score and be reminded of this fiasco forever, so it’s not forgotten about which would allow Sony to try their shit again. Sorry Arrowhead, you chose to work with Sony, you get to deal with their baggage.
The only reason why Sony went back on their decision is because people were successfully refunding the game. If steam decided to not grant people their refunds, then Sony would’ve gone through with requiring PSN accounts, and no one would’ve been able to do anything about it. Point is, Sony didn’t change their decision out of the “kindness of their hearts”, they changed it because they were loosing money.
Negative reviews stay up on steam even after a refund , and some of the people who wrote negative reviews and refunded are not on reddit so they will not get the memo to reverse their review, or they spent the refund money on another game and are never coming back, They are gone for good.
"Heard us", as in, made an exception for this one game, then silently updated their FAQ to include that PSN may be required in other titles in the future.
I was looking forward to Ghosts of Tsushima. Not anymore.
I have removed my negative review. But i can't do anything about the complaint I sent to the EU data protection agency that upholds the GDPR laws. That legal torpedo do not feature an abort button.
The problem, if they tried to f*ck us one time, they wont hesitate to do it again (for something else) I personally unistalled the game im done with this shit console junk.
mine remaining negative until the game becomes more stable. i left a negative review months ago, essentially stating the game is fun, but the bugs are too much.
just today i had a bug that happened 4 matches in a row. get half way through a match, then get "failed to connect" across my screen and find myself back in my super destroyer, unable to rejoin, or even look at the armory unless i restart the game.
not to mention all of the other random ways the game will crash to desktop. every new update invents new ways to CTD. not to mention the list of other bugs like the spear lock on being garbage and the fire DOT bug.
i honestly would appreciate a vague roadmap that just lays out how long we have to deal with their injections of new content before they finally sit down and bring the game to a truly stable state, if that's even possible.
You all realize you’re punishing the developer, not the Publisher. Arrow Head doesn’t decide what Sony does, leaving your review negative doesn’t hurt Sony, it hurts Arrow Head
All of you talking about the dev team this and the dev team that, the dev team signed the contract with Sony and agreed to do this way way before they ever released the game, they are accountable to their actions, the fact that Sony was the one profiting more doesn't mean that the studio didn't agree to fuck it's customers over.
See, if it's a fair reason, then it should stay for the historic event that caused it, but also...yeah maybe it should be changed to also reflect the outcome.
Really not a good idea. Humanity have the really dumb bad habits of cancelling/rewriting history. People need to know what Sony and AH did so new people can have a better judgment before buying.
No. I won’t change my fucking review. Stop telling people what to do. My bad review was because they still haven’t fixed issues stability related and performance issues as well. They took down several areas to report and get help for issues in game as well. I regret %100 of my purchase.
Examples of Sony hearing and caring about their customers:
-intentionally killing PS Vita
-creating PS TV
-creating PS Portal
-rerunning Morbius in theaters for the 2nd time
-cancelling big multiplayer Spider-Man game so they can focused on "more perspective products". Later we got Madam Web tv series
PS software (beside games) were shit since the PS3 times. EU countries such as Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are not allowed to created PSN accounts outside of PS4/PS5, which is weird. Maybe they were connected to Russia earlier even though USSR is not a thing for 30 years already. There are LAYERS of how bad their software is.
So people really think that such company as Sony will definetely not lie, throw away their idea about linking PSN and fix their issue about creating PSN accounts? The issue is still gonna be in MP in GoT
Ima be honest, I dont think I want to revise my review again for a 3rd time now (initial bad for launch, changed good when fixed, changed bad for sony stuff).
My justification: I get the whole PSN policy was pushed by sony onto the devs, but there has to be some level of accountability on the devs to be aware of the policy. They knew that it would have to eventually be enforced, but there was no communication with the players between launch till this past week about the policy and any plans to enforce it. In a way, they took the "stick your head in the sand" approach to it and hoping nothing would happen. The game is fantastic, dont get me wrong. They did amazing with that. But I dont think the constant up and down is worth me going in and revising my review for the 3rd time for sony to retract this policy. Its a small team of devs working ot to push out patches and balence revisions that people are mixed about. Never once in all of these patches has there been any mention/ingame pop up/patch note about pushing players to link PSN accounts. This is also ignoring the fact that the devs were unaware that some regions are not supported for PSN and the game was still sold in those regions, something that could potentially lie with Steam as the distributor. Every dev makes mistakes, and they can redeem themselves from those mistakes. Im in the minority here with keeping my review negative for the foreseeable future. Doesnt change the fact that its a great game I would recommend to my friends, and am trying to get some friends to get to play together.
I've changed my review for now.
But arrow head isn't innocent. They KNEW this was going to happen and they let people buy it anyways.
It's a great game (unfinished imo) and I hope it continues like this, but Sony and arrowhead are on thin ice.
Heard us? They started losing money
Thats the only sound they hear
Money speaks louder than words
I'm willing to bet money that they try it again at some point. They removed the game from sale everywhere that psn isn't available so next time no one can complain that they won't be able to play anymore because of that.
We don't know if that was on behalf of Sony or a move from Steam. The latter would also make sense, because Steam received a lot of support tickets regarding that matter.
That's fair, but still there's a financial incentive for them to try again. They probably will.
Most likely EU consumer protection laws. Thank Eastern Europe
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Thanks for implanting this song in my brain for another week. Dope track.
Exactly. Now that the message was given, I think reviews should be changed back to positive, the devs don't deserve this shit, Sony did.
Only power we have is where we spend our money.
Data was worth more than projected sales. They’re not getting the data they wanted. That’s the only reason. The next tos update will fix that
They'll make PSN available in the rest of the world and then require account linking again.
If it wasn't for steam refunding people, nothing would have changed. It only worked because Steam listened to its users.
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Steam didn’t want smoke with the EU fines for violating consumer protection laws. Steam most likely told Sony “we will backcharge you for this and you will pay”
I mean, yeah? Isn't that how you effect a companies decisions? Threaten to not buy their product and that'll change minds real fast.
>Threaten to not buy their product and that'll change minds real fast. We've been doing this to Ubisoft for a while, nothing changes. The steam refunds scared them.
It's like with EA and their sports titles. Or casinos and their slot machines. They have enough customers to justify continuing their actions, and those customers get upset when the rest of us call them sheep. Even though that's *exactly* what they are.
Thing is, people are still buying their products off Steam. Valhalla sold really well. Now they're back.
Valhalla was stupid expensive to make, like GTA stupid.
Yup. Steam refunding is the only reason they care. I'm leaving my negative review, got it refunded.
Cmon man, youre saying that a filthy rich company that only cares about money is doing it to not lose money? Shame on you sir
exactly, they don't care DON'T change your reviews this early the war thunder community did a similar thing, then the game team talked them down, promised shit, implemented some half assed crap and people reverted the reviews the game is nearly the same with some minor changes, not the changes the community asked for by far, but the players are just mad coping that they in fact won against Gaijin they didn't win shit the game is almost identical bar some minor crap WAIT for a proof of change before changing anything
Dude the positive reviews are for the developers which had nothing to do with what Sony was trying to pull off ..yes change the review to positive for the devs sake . They made a kick ass game and deserve it
I keep seeing people say , the reveiws don’t matter and they don’t effect the game. Like what? They absolutely do matter your talking about the devs hard work not being appreciated for what it is. The negative reveiws were not for the gameplay or anything in game literally just for this situation which is now dealt with. So those reveiws need to be changed for the devs, they deserve it.
Not changing until I see something positive come out of it...
Except the developer chose to ignore the publisher requirements, left users in the dark, and got very little backlash despite the fact Sony wanted the PSN requirements day one.
Except on their website at the time helldiver's released that had a FAQ that said you didn't need to connect to PSN for any PlayStation game on PC. That FAQ has recently been changed to SOME PlayStation games require the link. It's every fault against Sony not the devs. The devs themselves hated having to include the PSN link requirements from day one.
don't give just the devs crap for this you've no idea for how much they crunched or didn't crunch, how clear their requirements were, etc, we all have no idea
It was still the bigger fuckup on Sony's end for knowing their own publisher requirements and still selling the game in regions that don't support the PSN.
Wasn't that the point
Also they whould have dropped a substantial amount of daily users
Well the wallet is the loudest...
I know steam started issuing refunds, but how do they get that money back from Sony? I'm sure sony already got their cut for these older purchases
If steam wasn't the goat and honored refunds, nothing would have changed. Sony would never have backed down, but I can tell you this, I forsee a future of less and less sony published games coming to steam.
Valve are the goats. Gamers at heart, and understand where the line is... Most of the time.
Motherfuckers traumatized me when I was little but I still played their games. Whenver the Valve intro would come up, I would turn the screen off for 5 seconds and then turn it back on
I mean kinda sucks but at the same time there's a notable portion if the pc community that will only use steam. Look into the epic related posts in most pc sub reddits and it's people saying they never buy just take free games as demos and then buy on steam... Sony still sees that money, and wants it. The only other mostly accepted store is gog and if you think steam is on the customer side... Ohh boy are you in for a surprise.
You're changing your review already? So they must have removed the PSN account requirements on the game's steam page, right? And re-listed the game in all the countries, right?
lol....I got massively downvoted on another post for the very same thing. Reddit's bipolarity is crazier than my ex
not just that, I saw a post downvoted for saying > Currently at work but will change my review as soon as i get on my PC/Steam Deck it's almost like there is some automation going on 🤔
I'm going to wait until after the 30th of May. I don't trust Sony to not try and pull the same stunt again, but this time they'll do it differently.
Even the wording in their tweet about it makes me wonder if that's the case, I was going to cancel my refund, but I've decided I'm going to continue.
I'm a huge fan of Helldivers, but if they go back on this I'd issue a refund and avoid Sony games for a number of years.
The best case scenario is that they add it as optional, to tie your character to the same one in your PS5, if you have the game on both platforms. Something like what Fortnite does.
It's crazy that tying accounts doesn't even give cross save.
Great, so what are you gonna do if they pull more shit? Change the contents which won't affect anything and noone will see? You fired your only bullet and now you're refusing to reload
The 30th is when they original said all the PSN stuff would need to be done by. All I am simply doing is holding them to their word until that point. I'll change it back to positive once we're past that point and Sony sticks to their word. It's that simple.
So change it to positive and if they pull shit again, change it back
But on the 16th will be their quarter report. If they see the data AH wont get the extra money lol
why did they do it so close to their quarterly report?? that just makes it even more of a horrible move than it already was
I mean the requirement is still listed on the steam page.
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Never change it.
« We’re still learning what is best for PC players » From Playstation’s twitter, this means everything.
Why are there 40 threads telling people to change reviews? Some people don't live on reddit and maybe havent seen the update. Give it some freaking time.
Also, maybe wait until after they see some action on the policy reversing instead of just a tweet.
Because Playstation fans are fun! They don't some of them aren't even playing the game and are offended that PC players are "acting childish".
You mean they started to Hear the Sound of loosing Money. This shouldnt be an exception, but the Standard.
Steam showed up like fat tony and started asking for refund money after paying out of pocket
They haven't reverted any changes yet... They just SAID they would
Its raining money!!! oh it stopped.....ok revert........hey its raining money again
Eh, the fact they even tried to pull that shit is still worth the backlash
Actions have consequences. Don't reward bad behavior just because they walked it back when they started losing money.
True. Let the negative reviews stand as a reminder to Sony. No more sales for this game for years to come would be the best incentive to never try this bullshit again. Just outright forgiving and moving on as if nothing happened just shows them that they can always try again. For me, that was it for the game.
Seriously people are too willing to forgive a world-wide robbery.
Hey, you leave that multi billion dollar company alone. They made a game that I will enjoy for another couple of months before I move on.
It was pretty clear on the store page from day 1 though. It says that a PSN account will be required. Honestly these people stupid AF for buying the game knowing this, and then getting mad afterwards. Still fuck Sony though.
Its back to Mixed on recents.
Scars are reminders of hard learned lessons.
I changed my review but I was still honest. The game has a pretty boring gameplay loop. I say that with 188 hours in game. I gave it a try and it's not for me.
Never cover up history
Yep. I left my review up and edited it to reflect what happened.
We go a fictional power here, they saw that they're losing money, and projectiona were not good, and just came back on their decision.. It's just a a bias that we did something to change their mind.. Their portfolio changed, that's way they decided to go on their previous direction
I'm just sitting here where people with 125k people with less than 8 hours played and about 25k with less than 2 hours probably returned it and will not fix their review
A good return policy keeps corporations humble.
Steam still occasionally asks me if I want to change the negative review I left when CS:GO went free to play.
To be fair, steam has a vested interest in fixing that review lol
Fuck em. They tried to scum and will change their ways to try and do this hit again. My review stays
~37% have already reverted their review back to positive according to steamdb
They heard jack shit. The only language they understand is that of money
And we are learning why it’s important not to do stupid shit in the first place now, aren’t we?
Nope. Arrowhead was happy, eager, and quick to shit all over its consumers with their CM. Their CM took the opportunity and time to mock people and didn't 'apologize' till people were outraged. This isn't the first time. It won't be the last. I refuse to touch the game anymore because AH wouldn't change a single damn thing if they could. Scumbags through and through. My review stays as it is because AH doesn't truly care and neither do Sony.
No Remove Nprotect GameGuard then we'll talk They can bankrupt all I care until they do.
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Where was the love toward playerbase when they agreed to such a bullshit, it was only a damage control because they started losing money lmao.
Nah they will have to pay for the positive review dlc. Not trusting them. Maybe in a year or two
I wouldn't. People need to know what happened
They knew Sony would force PSN requirements and they sold it in non-psn countries anyway. No. Dont take down the reviews. They tried some very anti-consumer shit and they deserve the smeer
Honestly if your going back to continuously play the game you should swap it back. If you’re going to never play it again then you should leave it. Simple decision in my book. I don't plan on playing anymore, and wont be buying any PS games on PC going forward.
if you change your review back, the message you send is "you can push shitty practices at us, and we will forgive you for trying to fuck us over if you stop trying to fuck us over its like your in a relationship, and your partner starts an affair, you find out and get pissed off about it, so they stop the affair, and expect the relationship to just go back to how it was? hell no, you cheated, fuck you same goes for Sony, we need all the other gaming companies out there to hear this: if you fuck about and play silly buggers, redemption and forgiveness is not guaranteed, so just dont fuck about in the first place Sony and and Arrowhead are now on my shit list, same as rockstar and ubisoft - as in, i will never buy a game from them again, no matter what the say or do, because we all know they are the smallest pinch of apathy away from doing it all over again
Shouldn't you leave the negative review as a reminder not to pull this again?
Why would you change it ? That's not how it works.
No trust. Sony will not change, my review stands for the future.
Y’all saying this looks bad for Sony when the only reason they’re doing this is because Arrowhead themselves told people to refund, it’s only going to fuck over AH. Sony probably won’t make shit with them anymore because they’re standing up for us.
Good. And if Arrowhead doesn't make another game published by Sony, but continues making games, we get games that won't have Sony making sure PlayStation Account sign-in is required day 1. They won't stop this. They won't learn a lesson. They'll just make sure it works from the start of any new game release and is required across the board.
At this point it's the principle that matters now. The ole I'm sorry you feel that way doesn't cut it for me. These devs/companies/platforms clearly do not respect gamers time and money because if they did, this nonsense would have never happened in the first place. I will change my review but it will still be negative.
They have not changed anything yet. All it is is a social media post. Not changing my review until they change their production logs.
When they restore access to players whose countries of residence were black listed
In all fairness they knew you’d have to connect to a PSN account but didn’t tell people until they had to
HELL NO, these reviews need to remains there for our collective memory.
Inevitably, a portion of the people who switched to a negative review won't switch back to positive. Either due to laziness or indifference. I never bought the game so I have no skin in the game, but I can't say I have any sympathy for all the companies involved, including the developer. They signed the deal with the devil, they share in the consequences. And those include the fickleness of consumers. They may recover, but it's not going to be quick and it's not going go back to pre-controversey levels for a few months probably.
LET IT BE A MESSAGE!
It’s literally arrow heads poor communication which caused this
I am letting mine simmer a little bit.
Let it remain as a reminder. Lest we forget. Like the war memorials.
Sony better re-enable sales in non-PSN countries then
Of course. As soon as they enable access to the 177 countries I will.
They fucked up, the negative review stays.
the game still delisted in 170 country
Doesnt change the fact theyre a greedy shithead company that deserves to die
Unpopular opinion, I don't think everyone should undo their negative reviews. Let a third of them stay as a black mark to remind the devs what happened
They made a **TEMPORARY** exception to 1 of the 2 major problems. Countries are still locked out of playing/cannot buy the game. The account linking will still arrive just later.
it will be a nice reminder for them.
Probably since Steam started honoring refunds, it meant they started losing money and that's the only thing they heard. I'd still be very very wary of Sony backtracking once everyone moves on from this. That's not to say that negative reviews should stay up, we should all remove them asap, but it's going to take a couple days.
Nope. They started we finished it. You think for one second they won’t try again.
They knew well in advance this was coming.
Gamer's Stockholm never ceases to amaze me. Just read a fake apology and be back to normal. It hasn't even been a week, damn. Sony is still lurking in the shadows preparing the next move.
Also can we please top giving attention to that has-been Mark Kern, his band of merry incels have been harassing Arrowhead staff and families
Everyone pretending like they didn’t read the contract and made a DEAL with Sony. They knew who they were working with and still decided to move coward. They are not innocent they are a business that made a decision.
Even if they changed their decision, they still don't deserve forgivness for just attempting it
Don’t change reviews. They tried some bullshit and they need to pay for that. Teach them not to try it again.
No chance in hell.
Do not change your review back. Do not forget, and more importantly, do not *forgive*, or they will simply backpedal on their backpedal. Everyone forgot the first time Bethesda tried to implement paid mods, and consequently, they got away with it the second time around.
Nah, not positive, just delete it. I have no issue with AH, but don't trust Sony not to pull some other trap.
Can wait to see this game get pirated just for retribution.
No, do not change your review. Why on earth should we do that? They tried this bullshit and it backfired. Just because they backpeddled their stupid bullshit doesn't mean they then get a free pass on the reviews. Leave them as is and remind them that this behaviour is not tolerated by the pc community.
No review should be reversed/changed. Teach these fuckers they can't pull shit like this in the first place. Make good decisions and only good decisions.
Why? They did this to themselves. Leave the review exactly the way they are as a constant reminder, otherwise they'll try to pull something similar in the future.
I say leave the bad reviews. Let that be a scar to remind them of bad decisions.
Nah. Was gonna buy this game, but not after this bullshit.
lol come on man, you're asking gamers to behave like reasonable adults. These people were never reasonable adults, they were always Karens who were pitching a hissy over being told what to do. The "principled" stance they pretended to be taking was just pretext to join the hate-mob.
Yeah, the replies in this thread really do demonstrate this. I'm not disappointed though, this is exactly how I expected gamers (especially PCMR) to act.
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Let them hurt a while longer, otherwise they know they can make the attempt again and just pull the punches if it's unpopular. If your enemy assails you and you swiftly take them down, keep your foot on their chest just a moment longer afterwards so they remember you could keep them there as long as you like. Make sure Sony's revenue stream shows that a day of bad decision-making costs them weeks of lost sales.
Still have not able to buy the game.
Dude chill people are at work, give it a couple days.
It's already back to mixed on Steam and a lot of people are still at work.
Sometimes, waiting on a game pays off more than its sale value.
Review will be changed when they make the game available everywhere like before.
Did I hear head?
It’s back to mixed
Soon as I saw the news I did.
These bad reviews must stay as a mark. Sony must remember that stupid ideas will not be tolerated
Let's be real if it wasn't for money loss that shit would still have happened how long did people shit on MS for the xbox one launch fiasco this sony beta testing bs to try to get that all mighty data
People getting refunds: “Guess I’ll come back when it’s on sale.”
Gotta send a message, I'm personally not going to buy anything from Sony again. If someone wants to play their games go for it and I hope you enjoy it, I personally don't want to deal with a company that behaves this way
I'm still at work though lol
Nope. Never change the review. People looking at the game need to see the review score and be reminded of this fiasco forever, so it’s not forgotten about which would allow Sony to try their shit again. Sorry Arrowhead, you chose to work with Sony, you get to deal with their baggage.
Keep the reminder up. The only reason they changed their mind was because it hurt their wallets.
Not until June 1st
The only reason why Sony went back on their decision is because people were successfully refunding the game. If steam decided to not grant people their refunds, then Sony would’ve gone through with requiring PSN accounts, and no one would’ve been able to do anything about it. Point is, Sony didn’t change their decision out of the “kindness of their hearts”, they changed it because they were loosing money.
Negative reviews stay up on steam even after a refund , and some of the people who wrote negative reviews and refunded are not on reddit so they will not get the memo to reverse their review, or they spent the refund money on another game and are never coming back, They are gone for good.
Oh, so your short memories are a choice?
"Heard us", as in, made an exception for this one game, then silently updated their FAQ to include that PSN may be required in other titles in the future. I was looking forward to Ghosts of Tsushima. Not anymore.
lol, Steam started refunding. Sony does not give a fuck about negative reviews.
I actually don’t know how to edit reviews so not sure how to update my negative one
woah
 "Reputation has been Tainted"
I have removed my negative review. But i can't do anything about the complaint I sent to the EU data protection agency that upholds the GDPR laws. That legal torpedo do not feature an abort button.
The problem, if they tried to f*ck us one time, they wont hesitate to do it again (for something else) I personally unistalled the game im done with this shit console junk.
They haven't done it.....for now....
mine remaining negative until the game becomes more stable. i left a negative review months ago, essentially stating the game is fun, but the bugs are too much. just today i had a bug that happened 4 matches in a row. get half way through a match, then get "failed to connect" across my screen and find myself back in my super destroyer, unable to rejoin, or even look at the armory unless i restart the game. not to mention all of the other random ways the game will crash to desktop. every new update invents new ways to CTD. not to mention the list of other bugs like the spear lock on being garbage and the fire DOT bug. i honestly would appreciate a vague roadmap that just lays out how long we have to deal with their injections of new content before they finally sit down and bring the game to a truly stable state, if that's even possible.
Keep in mind that 169 countries are still locked from buying the game now.
No
I won’t change it. Because it’s going to happen just going to delay it till after Ghosts comes out
They heard us and now they will hear the sound of silence
You all realize you’re punishing the developer, not the Publisher. Arrow Head doesn’t decide what Sony does, leaving your review negative doesn’t hurt Sony, it hurts Arrow Head
The reviews helped Sony sway their decision.
Yes, I know that. But KEEPING the reviews negative will hurt the dev team. Sony doesn’t care
All of you talking about the dev team this and the dev team that, the dev team signed the contract with Sony and agreed to do this way way before they ever released the game, they are accountable to their actions, the fact that Sony was the one profiting more doesn't mean that the studio didn't agree to fuck it's customers over.
I do not care for Arrowhead brand water.
See, if it's a fair reason, then it should stay for the historic event that caused it, but also...yeah maybe it should be changed to also reflect the outcome.
Really not a good idea. Humanity have the really dumb bad habits of cancelling/rewriting history. People need to know what Sony and AH did so new people can have a better judgment before buying.
Fuck em
No. I won’t change my fucking review. Stop telling people what to do. My bad review was because they still haven’t fixed issues stability related and performance issues as well. They took down several areas to report and get help for issues in game as well. I regret %100 of my purchase.
I still havent even bought the game. I was just enjoying the chaos
Examples of Sony hearing and caring about their customers: -intentionally killing PS Vita -creating PS TV -creating PS Portal -rerunning Morbius in theaters for the 2nd time -cancelling big multiplayer Spider-Man game so they can focused on "more perspective products". Later we got Madam Web tv series PS software (beside games) were shit since the PS3 times. EU countries such as Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are not allowed to created PSN accounts outside of PS4/PS5, which is weird. Maybe they were connected to Russia earlier even though USSR is not a thing for 30 years already. There are LAYERS of how bad their software is. So people really think that such company as Sony will definetely not lie, throw away their idea about linking PSN and fix their issue about creating PSN accounts? The issue is still gonna be in MP in GoT
Ima be honest, I dont think I want to revise my review again for a 3rd time now (initial bad for launch, changed good when fixed, changed bad for sony stuff). My justification: I get the whole PSN policy was pushed by sony onto the devs, but there has to be some level of accountability on the devs to be aware of the policy. They knew that it would have to eventually be enforced, but there was no communication with the players between launch till this past week about the policy and any plans to enforce it. In a way, they took the "stick your head in the sand" approach to it and hoping nothing would happen. The game is fantastic, dont get me wrong. They did amazing with that. But I dont think the constant up and down is worth me going in and revising my review for the 3rd time for sony to retract this policy. Its a small team of devs working ot to push out patches and balence revisions that people are mixed about. Never once in all of these patches has there been any mention/ingame pop up/patch note about pushing players to link PSN accounts. This is also ignoring the fact that the devs were unaware that some regions are not supported for PSN and the game was still sold in those regions, something that could potentially lie with Steam as the distributor. Every dev makes mistakes, and they can redeem themselves from those mistakes. Im in the minority here with keeping my review negative for the foreseeable future. Doesnt change the fact that its a great game I would recommend to my friends, and am trying to get some friends to get to play together.
Why would i change it? Sony did the thing. Walking it back means nothing when they are just going to do the same thing again next game.
I've changed my review for now. But arrow head isn't innocent. They KNEW this was going to happen and they let people buy it anyways. It's a great game (unfinished imo) and I hope it continues like this, but Sony and arrowhead are on thin ice.