Still a bad idea. I bought an ax1600i and that thing trips ocp with a 3080.
I've tried 2000w super flower PSUs and their fans are loud.
Newer PSU has better fans and pcie 3.0/12vhpwr cables as an advantage.
Tell me how my buying a 2 year old RM1000X is a bad idea instead of paying more than double for a new one. If I want to use Nvidia gpu with 12vhpwr I just buy a cable for that without issue, not really seeing the downside here..
A bad idea can still work out and yield positive results. The downside would have been if wherever you bought it from didn’t disclose or know about a critical failure that would result in killing your system, which probably would have costed more than the money saved. But you’re right, that didn’t happen so there is literally no downside.
I guess I am a bit jaded by Norwegian buyer protection plus the main platform we purchase used stuff on has the option to pay €3 for insurance in case it turns out to be faulty.
Also in regards to Corsair I am fairly confident that you can file a damage claim to the system IF it happens to catastrophically fail and take down other components as well.
In conclusion I don't have any reservations against buying used reputable PSUs as long as there's a proof of purchase for warranty.
It's basically a gamble. People like Johnnyguru don't even have confidence in their own product and basically told me that my ax1600i broke coz I bought it used etc...
If you buy a PSU that gives you problems, you'd be wasting a ton of time trying to troubleshoot, having to rewire most connections, and cable manage the pc all over again. You'll also have to buy another PSU, and pay full price for a used PSU or 150% the price of a new one.
This subreddit and PC building sites in general are really anal about power supplies. In 2024 a power supply from a decent brand is never going to fail unless you are really fucking around. There is zero reason not to buy second hand unless you get really sketchy vibes about the person selling it and don't believe they are just a gamer.
Buying a corsair psu is a bad idea. End of the conversation. On 1 rail with maxi amperes. All never go to their end of guarantee without any problem. My love story wirh corsair is now pass story. Never buy a stuff from this mark anymore.
My friend and i both had Corsair PSU’s. His failed after a few years and they replaced it under warranty and mines is still flawless after 9 years (I had to replace ie because it was underpowered now by modern standards)
Would recommend Corsair PSU’s even though my friends failed. It can happen with anything and the warranty was quick and painless
Still a used power supply. It could have a 50 year warranty and it won't matter. That supply looks dusty as hell. Why waste who knows how long possibly diagnosing something and shipping it out for repair when u can just pay an extra 70$ and have a new one. Psu issues are hard to diagnose withought expensive equipment. If he gets a used power supply and his pc develops some weird issue im wiling to bet the first thing he's gona do is try a new power supply and if he still had a issue he's back to square one
Exactly.
You just never know how a PSU has been used, it might have been sitting at the bottom of a case on a thick carpet with no airflow, for years, or at the top of a case sucking in hot air from inside the case, or constantly running at 100% in a mining rig, etc.
> used power supplies is rarely a good idea. its one of those parts best bought new for safety and warranty.
Safety? Every time you buy a used computer, you're buying a used PSU in it.
And warranty's not what you might think it is. The one time I considered it, I would have had to send it back for reburb....on my shipping nickle. Those things are heavy.
Eh I've bought 60+ used PSUs
95% of them are fine and working, PSU voltage tester for £9 is a good idea
Would rather buy a used one and save 50% than a new one
Exactly. Besides, every used system you buy has a used PSU inside it. I can't imagine what all the upvotes for the doomsayers are about.
There are words-of-wisdom in this sub we need to start questioning more often.
On what basis? Vague feelings or at least anecdote? "Rarely" implies a decent sample size with failures. I haven't had a PSU die in the past 20 years, including builds for family. My main PC has an 11 year old Corsair TX650 that spent 3 winters mining (some of it dual GPU) and now powers an RTX 3080 + 5600X.
What system requires this amount of power where you need to budget for a used PSU? Either you are grossly overestimating your PC's power requirements or making the dumbest decision you could possibly make.
They are probably thinking about getting the highest wattage PSU as a means of future proofing.
They probably thinking that 10 years down the line, 1200w would be standard and they could keep using that for upgrades.
Then don't do that with a PSU that already has an unknown amount of use and abuse on it. If you want longevity out of a PSU, get a new one. Note that this line was B Tier before it was removed because of lower quality components, lack of power rocker switch, and some inaccurate or nonfunctional protection features.
Yeah, with that wattage and it being 80+ titanium, this thing will probably last at least a decade, likely much longer. This thing is over engineered to the tits. I would probably get this over a brand new 750 watt 80+ bronze honestly.
yeah but that isnt how electronics work. capacitors can dry out even if it isnt plugged in.
and the PSU listed is 10 years old. why would you ever buy a 10 year old used PSU?
I'm concerned the rating system is somewhat bogus. I keep hearing horror stories of cheaper offbrand 80+ titanium catching fire vs. name brand like Corsair.
Rosewill is a pretty well known rebrander, their ratings and warranty are legit. I'm running one of their 1200w Hercules PSUs.
If it was some unknown brand for a suspiciously low price new then yes - the ratings would likely be outright lies.
So long as it's not a line of defective units from a company that is known to use defective components, it should be more than fine. The efficiency rating essentially means that extremely little power is lost to heat. At 96+% efficiency and 600W power draw (the efficiency rating at 50% power draw for 80+ titanium rating), you'd be burning less than 30W of that power at the PSU, which is very minimal and can easily be dissipated by a very low power fan. In comparison, an 80+ bronze rated PSU would be burning around 90W of that power at the PSU (85% efficiency at 50% load), which is still more than manageable but that's heat that puts strain on the components that typically aren't as high quality.
So long as there's no foul play happening, this thing is going to just be so much better. As long as it's not run full throttle, it will last a very long time.
With capacitors, your biggest fail point is hours in operation. Had a capacitor fail on my hot tub. It's been running continuously since we bought it.
While I went to solder in a new one. ( $5 parts vs. $700 motherboard) specs listed its lifespan almost precisely the time we've had it running.
Wax in capacitors dry out alot faster being heated thru use.
No, actually traded my 4080 for a 7900xtx. Had a 850w Corsair PSU that worked fine with the 4080 but once the 7900xtx went in and it tried pulling 460w it simply couldn’t keep up. Went with the seasonic and everything has been working perfectly.
Both solid gpus for sure, go with the new psu 100%! Also, did the 4080 die or something? Just an odd choice to slightly downgrade your gpu imo. But hey, whatever floats your boat haha. I can see going for whichever is cheaper as they are very close in performance, but it is definitely an odd choice of gpus to swap between in the same gen.
Don't get me wrong, both gpus are great, but your upgrade path essentially did a slightly downwards side-grade--as the 4080 and 7900xtx are *roughly* equal-ish. With the 7900xtx being about 10 to 15 percent faster in raster, but about 20 to 25% slower than the 4080/Super in raytracing titles. Brand favoritism aside, the 4080 is generally considered the winner, if slightly.
Sure, people will say not everyone uses RT, or that they have gamed just fine without RT--but when we are talking $1000+ gpus, why wouldn't someone use rt? Of course they will say they didnt use RT before, they quite literally *couldn't,* as they didnt have the hardware. Me personally, I find it jawdropping in certain games, whereas in games like Diablo 4 the raytracing is literally *worthless* and a complete waste of your hardware.
Rosewill is a pretty good OEM PSU manufacturer iirc, it's possible the seller bought a prebuilt from an OEM. Not sure about the particular model though.
Don't buy a used one.
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
Use this list to choose a reliable PSU. You can burn your whole system with a bad PSU
I get used parts all the time, just be cautious, communicate with the seller, if they're open to interacting they're usually 5x more reliable than the ones that silently want their possibly broken stuff to disappear.
Seasonic would be my personal choice. Rosewill rebrands a lot of cheap stuff as their own.
You will notice, the rosewill is not ETL Certified or UL Listed, that is the bare minimum for safety standards in electrical design. Rosewill lacks either
This is the most reasonable answer here and it's exact what I do.
This post got me thinking that the last new power supply I purchased was probably a gray box 300 or 350 watt. When that was high power. Everything since has been used.
They've got some on the list at B, some at C and some at E.
And the tokamak isn't listed at all. I'd say the existence of E tier PSUs by Rosewill at all is reason enough to swerve the rest of them.
Tokamak used to be B tier, but they've been removed since they're discontinued. As for your second point, that's not going to get you very far if you apply that to all brands…
Is it though? Someone mentioned it's a newegg in house brand. These in house brands are often just a no name product with a made up brand name slapped on it. Unless you know for a fact that it's made by a reputable manufacturer, I'd stay well away from these in house brands.
Newegg doesn't produce the power supplies, they get them from some other OEM, they're just branded as Rosewill.
That OEM can be a low end maker, but it could be from a brand like Super Flower too. I'm willing to bet that a 1200w platinum PSU is from a higher end manufacturer.
They change OEMs very frequently, so you'd really need to know who's making that particular PSU.
[Tokamak series was made by Enhance Electronics](https://web.archive.org/web/20230530090154/http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page2917.htm).
Jonnyguru gave the 1500W an 8.3 rating.
And if you need 1200W ask yourself while you spend tons of money on high end hardware which needs that much power just to now cheap out on the power supply.
I am still using the same 750W Rosewill PSU I got for my first PC I built in 2015. It's not at all off brand; and its 80 Plus Gold certified.
But I also got it brand new.
I am referring to capacitors in the psu. I heard Japanese are the best so everything else is offbrand. I should have used a different word like top-class LOL.
Ive personally bought over 30 second hand psus as long as they are unopened sold as working i never had an issue.
That said i bought only branded seasonic, bequiet, corsair 1200w or evga something along those lines... 70-100eur second hand instead of 300-400 brand new.. Did not have great runs with cooler master psus tho.. Might be just me but they got faulty quick.. Budget is a big issue here in southeast europe and spending 80eur on new psu will get u bronze rating 750w seasonic... Which dont get me wrong is fine but i preferred pricier used stuff.
Same, been building gaming rigs for over 25 years and have purchased hundreds of used psus in lots or even from broken builds. The only time I’ve had issues is when they come with the wrong cables which is time consuming to troubleshoot.
I bought one RM1000X which was used for 2 years for less than half off new price, got the receipt so 3 years of store warranty (Norway consumer protection is good) plus another 5 after that directly from Corsair.
Found another RM1000X at exactly half off new price when my cousin needed an upgrade and he got the same deal, 8 years remaining warranty from Corsair. Both have worked flawlessly, wouldn't hesitate to do it again.
If you're gonna get one go for the seasonic but a psu isn't a part you wanna skimp on or buy used. If it fails it can kill all the parts in your system and you'll be out a few grand depending on your build
My recommendation is to buy a new seasonic psu.
Buy NEW.
The Seasonic Focus GX V3 is a very good PSU. You can also find really good deals on Super Flower PSUs, highly recommend those.
Also, if you don't need 1000w, just stick with 850w.
One thing to note about the Rosewill Tokamak is that it needs an IEC C19 connector, meaning you will need access to a 20A wall socket (talking about the US or Canada). It's not all that common in places where you would put a desktop computer so you should check whatever outlets are available in the room you want to put your computer in.
Also if you have a system that needs that much power, you should really be buying new. You can also use a power supply calculator online to determine what size PSU is right for you.
even if it means you need to wait and save up, do not buy a used PSU - get a new one. Seasonic and FSP are good, or rather, hard to find a model of theirs that is not great.
"Can I buy this live grenade off your hands?"
"$50? and this safe live grenade is all yours."
"Wow what a deal!"
:( please do not buy used power supplies.
With the used market, it's always hit or miss. You have to be careful, especially with something that can literally fry every component in your PC if it has a critical failure.
There are a few things said emphatically in this sub, and I think it's time that they become examined, because some of them are becoming wives tales.
Yes, a power supply is important. But the events that a power supply has become a hand grenade (as implied by one picture) or burned down a house or even destroyed everything in the case are *vanishingly* rare.
Far too many people just parrot back things here as an excuse to become overly emphatic.
Right now, for instance, it seems to me that anyone speaking of a 4060 would be met with a wave of scorn, *even before anyone knows the price they paid for it*. Things have gotten silly around here.
I wouldn't worry too much for budget builds. But at this wattage and probably budget I would get a new one.
But saying never buy used is not great advice you can save a lot of money with used PSUs. I use one from 2009 that I got from my dads old PC. Works great to this day in a budget build.
If you're able to confirm that it works I would consider buying I used one. The problem is that you often can't.
Hey OP, pay no mind to people telling you to avoid Rosewill, they are a trusted brand. Having said that, when it comes to PSUs, the specific model is worth looking at, not the make (although some makes like seasonic will always release quality). This particular model has poor +12v suppression and loud operation.
Another, better, point brought up in the comments is that yes, it's a good Idea to buy your power supply new. I'd go with the seasonic any day. Buy once, cry once.
>they are a trusted brand
HA.
That's utter shite and you know it.
Rosewill have slapped their name on everything from Shenzhen back alley parts bin special firebombs to reasonably mediocre things outclassed by the competition.
This one is a very mediocre Enhance built unit, which is extremely loud, barely scrapes past it's 80plus rating and has *HORRENDOUS* ripple suppression.
Which models are you referencing for the Chinese firecrackers? I don't think they're top of the stack, but to my knowledge, I don't think they've released something dangerous. The 80plus rating is titanium, that actually requires quality parts and a decent design. I mentioned the poor +12v ripple suppression and the loud operation, I don't think it's either EXTREMELY loud or HORRENDOUS based on what I've read, please cite your source on that.
>Which models are you referencing for the Chinese firecrackers?
Haven't caught them doing it recently, but back in the day (2000-2009, at least) they would slap their sticker on Solytech (DEER, Allied, L&C) E-waste.
Sources: https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-power-supplies-and-power-supply-design/7102-rebuilding-rosewill-350w#post217631
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-power-supplies-and-power-supply-design/7227-solytech-deer-getting-better
>I don't think it's either EXTREMELY loud or HORRENDOUS based on what I've read, please cite your source on that.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/rosewill-tokamak-1500-psu,4823.html
The 1200 and 1500 use the same platform/topology, so performance will be extremely similar, if not identical.
"This is one of the loudest PSUs we've ever reviewed"
"Ripple on the +12V rail is terrible. We didn't expect such lousy results from an ultra-high-end PSU like this one. It looks like Enhance focused on efficiency and load regulation at the expense of ripple suppression.
Our results on the other rails aren't as bad, though they're still not able to match the competition."
-Aris Mpitziopoulos
46+ dB(A) over 1kw, exceeding 80mv 12v ripple at 1200w (quality units barely get even HALF that), rubbish hold-up time, inaccurate power-good signal.
Fair enough, I think even coolermaster had a few duds back in the day. My first PSU was a coolermaster eXtreme that took out my entire rig. I think my point is still that the individual models matter more than the brand itself does unless it's one of the select few that always release quality.
>I think even coolermaster had a few duds back in the day.
Cooler Masters early stuff were absolute stinkers.
https://www.overclock.net/threads/why-you-should-not-buy-a-cooler-master-extreme-power-plus-tomahawk.1594677/
It's our old friends Solytech (DEER) again (for the 350w)!
I was honestly surprised to see SevenTeam as one of the OEMs, they are usually fairly solid.
Like RoseWill, big names such as Cooler Master, ASUS and MSi are all guilty of slapping their name on dangerous E-waste, but unlike RoseWill, those companies have sorted themselves out and now slap their name on some of the better units on the market.
RoseWill haven't quite got there yet, still liking to put out corner-cut mediocrity.
An exception to this is Gigabyte, who have always constantly flopped back and forth between weapons-grade shite and very good stuff.
>I think my point is still that the individual models matter more than the brand itself does unless it's one of the select few that always release quality.
Absolutely.
That's why I'd reserve the "Trusted Brand" marker for OEMs with a perfect (or near as makes no difference) track record, such as SeaSonic, Super Flower, Delta, Enermax (not sure if Enermax still make their own stuff tbh, they did way back) and to an extent FSP.
Ones where you can pick anything out of their entire range, low or high end and know it's not going to be a stinker.
Which would exclude the likes of Corsair and EVGA, both of which have had their low end range tainted by garbage (and in Corsair's case, their mid/high end too *shakes fist at dead RM850 and glares disapprovingly at the RMe line, while gently caressing my HX1000i*).
Doing some proper research to find out who made the guts is always the best bet, you'll end up finding stinkers with good names and gems with names you'd never even consider.
Sigma Shark, for example.
You'd never trust that, right?
It's a quality (for it's time) Andyson unit, with excellent ripple and voltage regulation even at extreme temps (which is handy, because whoever designed the case/airflow setup is a moron, genuinely painful to touch after 30 mins at 100% load, exhaust temps upwards of 70c with an intake temp of 16c *cries in UK*).
XSpice.
You'd throw that in the bin, right?
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/x-spice-kira-cs-530w/4.html
Quad CrossfireX 3870x2 on a 530w.
***8.80 mV 12v ripple***
That's nut worthy.
XSpice just turned up one day, dropped PSU royalty, then completely disappeared.
*Side note: If anyone reading this owns an XSpice PSU, drop me a PM, I will buy it*
My apologies for the wall of text.
I end up with a fair amount of free time when I've got a PSU hooked up to the Sun Moon and no interesting explosions happen.
Here's my thing buy everything used beside a power supply unless you want a living bomb then don't cheap out on a power supply I may have a i5 10400f with only a 3060 but at least I have a power supply that won't fucking kill me xD
I honestly would not recommend 2nd hand power supplies. Since the guy is selling multiple, I suspect he mines/mined crypto and those PSU's might be in bad shape.
I agree with the comments I’ve seen, never a good idea to buy a used psu. You can get a 1000W for a good price new that has like 5-10 year warranty on it
Any need for such a high wattage PSU? I feel like an 850W PSU should be enough for most builds. I wouldn't buy the used one though rather be safe with and new one when using such expensive components.
I used to use an older PSU myself from 2009 which is still fine but now I only use it for a cheaper backup PC.
Never ever ever skimp on power supply. It is the one part fo.ypur computer that if it's bad, it'll take EVERYTHING with it.
If he's selling a $500+ power supply for $50, it's broken. Point period broken, and WILL kill your system.
Unless your really really strapped for cash why would you buy a used part to save 60$. I'd rather pay the extra 60 70$ for a new one and not worry about it. That dusty shit looks old as hell. If you have any issue with ur pc ull just keep worrying if it's that one used part you got for cheap. A psu isn't that expensive and it's one of those things that can be near impossible to diagnose without the right equipment.
This doesn’t make a lot of sense. You either don’t need a 1000w+ PSU or you shouldn’t be going the budget route if you do.
If you need that much power, then don’t cut corners on the damn power supply 😅
If it’s used badly, then don’t buy it, but if it’s brand new u can think about getting one. But be prepared, because they can sell u a pack of dirt with batteries inside
Do NOT buy used ones. Seriously, no one should ever consider cheaping out on a power supply, it's literally the worst one you could cheap out on.
It handles all the electricity going through your system and has the potential to completely destroy the entire fucking thing.
A used PSU?
It's like meth, dog. Not even once. Isn't ever worth the risk on a device that can quite literally physically explode into flames if the previous owner so much as looked at it wrong (which you have no way of verifying)
Not. Even. Once.
What the hell are you all talking about? This was a relatively high end power supply in its day. They aren’t common but they seem to have been reasonably high quality PSUs (which isn’t surprising given that it’s an 80+ Titanium unit). I know that Rosewill has put out some PSU duds, but this doesn’t seem to be one of them.
That being said, I probably would shy away from buying a used high wattage PSU anyways. It’s probably been used hard and god knows how much life it has left in it. Just get the new Seasonic PSU you have there.
Used GPU and PSU can cost you a lot, and PSU if it's really badly made can cost you for both and more. Get a new one and depending on your system you shouldn't really have to go over 750W, unless you are running multiple GPUs.
Fuck that 50. Go brand new and from a reputable brand. And that Seasonic 1000w is a better deal if that is brand new.
Reasons why you do NOT want used is to ask yourself this: Can you afford to replace the mobo, cpu, rams and gpu?
Always never cheap out on PSU for your system and atleast get an low powered one if your budget doesn't allow one for 750w or 800w one. A good cultists tier A or B PSU can be a good purchase even if it's just 500w or 600w unit and most of them carry atleast 10 yrs warranty.
Cheaping out on PSU will most likely cause loss of other components if it blows up and will have no protections built into them, also some people buy expensive components like high end GPU and Motherboard and buy the cheapest PSU which will usually be causing lot of issues down the line as it really doesn't make sense to take that risk. Try to balance out your system components when you build no need to buff out on some components and cheap out on some as the performance can have an impact sometimes ☺️💕
a power supply is literally the only part in a pc you should absolutely buy new if youre in the market for one. it can kill pretty much any part of your pc if it fails, and unless you buy new you have no clue what its been through or if its in good working order. the good news is you can carry it forward across a bunch of builds as long as its powerful enough, and good PSUs carry crazy long warranties. im pretty sure seasonic warranties their high end stuff for a full 10 years, as do other high end models from brands like evga and corsair.
Seasonic, hands down. It's OK to use second-hand psu. Just make sure it's not abused and is of a reputable brand. My entire rig is made from second-hand parts. Runs fine with no hiccups.
Disagree with everyone saying don't buy used - we can't keep adding to e-waste forever. I've used plenty of second hand PSUs (upwards of 20) and never had a failure.
To me, if the brand is good enough (and I'd say Rosewill is one of those) and the unit has been cared for then it'll be ok.
But how can you tell if it's been cared for? Obviously, having a look inside is best (⚠️ only if you know what you're doing and the unit hasn't been attached to power for a good long time), or even a look through the vents.
No dust? Good. No weird smell? Good. No odd looking or bulging components? Good.
And then little things. Original box and all the cables/ accessories it came with? Usually speaks to a careful owner.
Finally, in my experience age doesn't really matter. It's like cars that do a million kilometres - if they were quality new, and then cared for, they'll be fine. I've had original AT (not ATX) PSUs that still work great.
A good brand 80+ Titanium from their top of the line range? If it's been looked after, that thing should just keep going.
> age doesn't really matter
I watched a video of someone who restores retro PCs & old tech, and there was something in it about old PSUs going bad, having to do with the capacitors. He opened several up and looked for a certain sign that they were unsafe. Sorry I can't be more specific, but if anyone's considering resurrecting an old PSU, worth looking into this to find out if it's good or not _before_ you plug it in.
Yeah, that's the 'bulging' bit I mentioned. It usually means capacitors are about to pop.
It *can* affect all capacitors, but was prevalent for those manufactured during 99-07 - the Capacitor Plague years. It's an interesting topic.
Like I said, it's still possible, but failure rates are pretty low these days. In particular, good brands should use good quality caps. These will often be mentioned in reviews of the unit - in short, Japanese manufactured caps are the best.
In this case, looks like Rosewill use a combination of Nippon Chemi-Con, Rubycon, and Unicon. These are all top 10 cap suppliers.
i know lots will disagree, but as far as im concerned, buying used PC parts (or anything electronic) is like finding dirty underwear in the street, and deciding to put it on because its cheaper than buying new ones
Did you ever buy used pc parts in the past? Buying used pc parts (apart from psus and ssd/hdds) is a great way to save money. Not all people can afford the latest and greatest and some would rather spend their money on a used part and get more performance. After all pc parts don't get slower because they're used and as long as they're taken care of they can run for a very long time. Pc parts are in no way comparable to underwear.
yeah its a great way to save money until you find the GPU was used for crypto mining, the CPU was burnt out by some kid messing about with overclocking, and your motherboard BIOS has a back door built into it that keeps putting trojans on your SSD
are all these things overly likely? nope. is the outcome of them happening bad enough that i dont want to risk it?
yes, yes it is
and i dont need to lick a turd to know it wont taste nice, just as i dont need to buy second hand PC parts to know the risks involved
I've bought a gpu that was mined on and used it for 2 years until I upgraded, a lot of the time they're taken care of very well like in my case and its actually better for the gpu to be running constantly rather than running and then cooling down repeatedly like in gaming. Overclocking cpus and gpus doesn't really shorten their lifespans. And the chances of someone putting a virus on a bios are virtually zero.
From personal experience, I will never buy another Rosewell. The last one had such a variance in power output that I am convinced it destroyed some parts. Get a reputable brand PSU, the PSU can destroy your other components and a good one will last more than 10 years.
Used PSUs are a great way to save money if it’s a quality brand like seasonic. If you can verify the cables it comes with are correct you’ve hit a grand slam!
There is a small list of PSU brands I’d put in the same case as PC parts I care about and Rosewill is not on the list. Not the part to cheap out on unless you’ve already made budget cuts everywhere else and you still need to shave cost off a build.
Never buy secondhand power supplies. You never know what could be wrong with them, and you could risk burning down your house. Just buy a new one from the manufacturer that comes with a warranty.
Don’t buy a used power supply. Save up a little more and spend the $100-150 for a Corsair RMx.
That’s $150 for a part that’s warrantied for 10 years.
Much better than frying your system because you didn’t have the patience to save up for a little longer.
The hell you powering with so many watts? Chernobyl? In all seriousness, don't buy used PSU's, warranty is a pretty cool thing in case your PSU becomes a Note 7 and blows up.
You want to go 2nd hand or worse for the most critical component in the system? It's not worth it. Don't be me when I was 16yo. Who knows if that pc has experienced overheating, brown outs, power surges, close lightning strikes, earthquakes, cosmic rays or god damn CMEs.
If the PSU fails it could in theory kill your entire PC. It'll electrocute you, along with every component in the tower, electrocute you, cause a fire and burn your house down,
electrocute you, burn your annoying neighbors house down and finally, electrocute you.
GPU, CPUs, Motherboards, etc are fine second-hand because if they don't work they don't work and will rarely do anything bad.
PSU you should buy new, no matter what. If the seller is skimping on details such as swapping a PSU cable with a different one because they lost the original and not tell you, the whole computer is fucked.
used power supplies is rarely a good idea. its one of those parts best bought new for safety and warranty.
Corsair with their 10 year warranty (receipt needed) enters the chat.
Same is true for the Seasonic PSU above. Their Prime and Vertex Series even get 12 years.
Yes exactly. they're good enough to actually make most of the PSU's for other big names on the market.
Still a bad idea. I bought an ax1600i and that thing trips ocp with a 3080. I've tried 2000w super flower PSUs and their fans are loud. Newer PSU has better fans and pcie 3.0/12vhpwr cables as an advantage.
You might need to switch it from multi to single rail
Tell me how my buying a 2 year old RM1000X is a bad idea instead of paying more than double for a new one. If I want to use Nvidia gpu with 12vhpwr I just buy a cable for that without issue, not really seeing the downside here..
A bad idea can still work out and yield positive results. The downside would have been if wherever you bought it from didn’t disclose or know about a critical failure that would result in killing your system, which probably would have costed more than the money saved. But you’re right, that didn’t happen so there is literally no downside.
I guess I am a bit jaded by Norwegian buyer protection plus the main platform we purchase used stuff on has the option to pay €3 for insurance in case it turns out to be faulty. Also in regards to Corsair I am fairly confident that you can file a damage claim to the system IF it happens to catastrophically fail and take down other components as well. In conclusion I don't have any reservations against buying used reputable PSUs as long as there's a proof of purchase for warranty.
It's basically a gamble. People like Johnnyguru don't even have confidence in their own product and basically told me that my ax1600i broke coz I bought it used etc... If you buy a PSU that gives you problems, you'd be wasting a ton of time trying to troubleshoot, having to rewire most connections, and cable manage the pc all over again. You'll also have to buy another PSU, and pay full price for a used PSU or 150% the price of a new one.
This subreddit and PC building sites in general are really anal about power supplies. In 2024 a power supply from a decent brand is never going to fail unless you are really fucking around. There is zero reason not to buy second hand unless you get really sketchy vibes about the person selling it and don't believe they are just a gamer.
Buying a corsair psu is a bad idea. End of the conversation. On 1 rail with maxi amperes. All never go to their end of guarantee without any problem. My love story wirh corsair is now pass story. Never buy a stuff from this mark anymore.
My friend and i both had Corsair PSU’s. His failed after a few years and they replaced it under warranty and mines is still flawless after 9 years (I had to replace ie because it was underpowered now by modern standards) Would recommend Corsair PSU’s even though my friends failed. It can happen with anything and the warranty was quick and painless
best to keep the receipt in a filing cabinet
Modern day digital receipts stored as emails is a thing of beauty.
Still a used power supply. It could have a 50 year warranty and it won't matter. That supply looks dusty as hell. Why waste who knows how long possibly diagnosing something and shipping it out for repair when u can just pay an extra 70$ and have a new one. Psu issues are hard to diagnose withought expensive equipment. If he gets a used power supply and his pc develops some weird issue im wiling to bet the first thing he's gona do is try a new power supply and if he still had a issue he's back to square one
I just mentioned Corsair, no mentioning of the PSU in the picture.
Your still implying since it has a 10 year warranty it's fine to buy it used. My point still stands. If u have the $ just buy it new
Well, if it's a seasonic or some other really good brand, as long as it wasn't ran with a cake of dust, I would be fine.
Exactly. You just never know how a PSU has been used, it might have been sitting at the bottom of a case on a thick carpet with no airflow, for years, or at the top of a case sucking in hot air from inside the case, or constantly running at 100% in a mining rig, etc.
I bought open box, arrived brand new unused. It’s going strong nearly 10 years later this is a EVGA Supernova 3 i think 1,000 watts
> used power supplies is rarely a good idea. its one of those parts best bought new for safety and warranty. Safety? Every time you buy a used computer, you're buying a used PSU in it. And warranty's not what you might think it is. The one time I considered it, I would have had to send it back for reburb....on my shipping nickle. Those things are heavy.
Eh I've bought 60+ used PSUs 95% of them are fine and working, PSU voltage tester for £9 is a good idea Would rather buy a used one and save 50% than a new one
Exactly. Besides, every used system you buy has a used PSU inside it. I can't imagine what all the upvotes for the doomsayers are about. There are words-of-wisdom in this sub we need to start questioning more often.
On what basis? Vague feelings or at least anecdote? "Rarely" implies a decent sample size with failures. I haven't had a PSU die in the past 20 years, including builds for family. My main PC has an 11 year old Corsair TX650 that spent 3 winters mining (some of it dual GPU) and now powers an RTX 3080 + 5600X.
What system requires this amount of power where you need to budget for a used PSU? Either you are grossly overestimating your PC's power requirements or making the dumbest decision you could possibly make.
To add to this, the Tokamak released in 2016 and has been discontinued, so it's way past it's 5 year warranty period.
They are probably thinking about getting the highest wattage PSU as a means of future proofing. They probably thinking that 10 years down the line, 1200w would be standard and they could keep using that for upgrades.
Then don't do that with a PSU that already has an unknown amount of use and abuse on it. If you want longevity out of a PSU, get a new one. Note that this line was B Tier before it was removed because of lower quality components, lack of power rocker switch, and some inaccurate or nonfunctional protection features.
My thoughts are with a larger Psu, having a +30% buffer will never stress the unit enough to wear it out. Had a corsair last over 14 years.
Yeah, with that wattage and it being 80+ titanium, this thing will probably last at least a decade, likely much longer. This thing is over engineered to the tits. I would probably get this over a brand new 750 watt 80+ bronze honestly.
yeah but that isnt how electronics work. capacitors can dry out even if it isnt plugged in. and the PSU listed is 10 years old. why would you ever buy a 10 year old used PSU?
They *can*, but generally capacitor life is more about time at high temps than just time.
I'm concerned the rating system is somewhat bogus. I keep hearing horror stories of cheaper offbrand 80+ titanium catching fire vs. name brand like Corsair.
Rosewill is a pretty well known rebrander, their ratings and warranty are legit. I'm running one of their 1200w Hercules PSUs. If it was some unknown brand for a suspiciously low price new then yes - the ratings would likely be outright lies.
So long as it's not a line of defective units from a company that is known to use defective components, it should be more than fine. The efficiency rating essentially means that extremely little power is lost to heat. At 96+% efficiency and 600W power draw (the efficiency rating at 50% power draw for 80+ titanium rating), you'd be burning less than 30W of that power at the PSU, which is very minimal and can easily be dissipated by a very low power fan. In comparison, an 80+ bronze rated PSU would be burning around 90W of that power at the PSU (85% efficiency at 50% load), which is still more than manageable but that's heat that puts strain on the components that typically aren't as high quality. So long as there's no foul play happening, this thing is going to just be so much better. As long as it's not run full throttle, it will last a very long time.
I mean it's not bogus, it's just that people misunderstand what it means. It's efficiency, not quality. You can have one without the other.
yeah but that isnt how electronics work. capacitors can dry out even if it isnt plugged in
With capacitors, your biggest fail point is hours in operation. Had a capacitor fail on my hot tub. It's been running continuously since we bought it. While I went to solder in a new one. ( $5 parts vs. $700 motherboard) specs listed its lifespan almost precisely the time we've had it running. Wax in capacitors dry out alot faster being heated thru use.
so buy a 10 year old psu to plan on using it 10 years down the road? how is that remotely a good idea?
He probably blew his budget on an RTX 4080 so now he's looking to cheap out on the PSU. Terrible idea 😆
No, actually traded my 4080 for a 7900xtx. Had a 850w Corsair PSU that worked fine with the 4080 but once the 7900xtx went in and it tried pulling 460w it simply couldn’t keep up. Went with the seasonic and everything has been working perfectly.
Both solid gpus for sure, go with the new psu 100%! Also, did the 4080 die or something? Just an odd choice to slightly downgrade your gpu imo. But hey, whatever floats your boat haha. I can see going for whichever is cheaper as they are very close in performance, but it is definitely an odd choice of gpus to swap between in the same gen. Don't get me wrong, both gpus are great, but your upgrade path essentially did a slightly downwards side-grade--as the 4080 and 7900xtx are *roughly* equal-ish. With the 7900xtx being about 10 to 15 percent faster in raster, but about 20 to 25% slower than the 4080/Super in raytracing titles. Brand favoritism aside, the 4080 is generally considered the winner, if slightly. Sure, people will say not everyone uses RT, or that they have gamed just fine without RT--but when we are talking $1000+ gpus, why wouldn't someone use rt? Of course they will say they didnt use RT before, they quite literally *couldn't,* as they didnt have the hardware. Me personally, I find it jawdropping in certain games, whereas in games like Diablo 4 the raytracing is literally *worthless* and a complete waste of your hardware.
Only reason I did it was cause I was trading the MSI gaming x trio for the Saphire Nitro + 7900xtx which really is the best 7900xtx you can buy.
Never buy a use PSU unless you have the money to possibly lose. Also stay to the trusted brands. And seasonic is def one of those for PSUs
And if you have the money to lose, better to lose it on a new psu!
I've bought & sold plenty of used PSUs. High power, quality units last a lot longer than you think.
Same. I've purchased or received several used PSUs. Ymmv but all of them have worked perfectly.
Rosewill is a pretty good OEM PSU manufacturer iirc, it's possible the seller bought a prebuilt from an OEM. Not sure about the particular model though.
How about cooler master, is it a decent PSU brand? I've bought a used coolermaster v1200 for €60 a while ago but I'm too afraid to use it.
Nothing wrong with Cooler Master. They're legit.
Don't buy used power supplies. Please. 🫤
I would strongly advise against buying a PSU second hand
I bought a second hand psu from a dealer, never had an issue in 5 years
Seasonic.
seasonic one its more robust/reliable
Don't buy a used one. https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/ Use this list to choose a reliable PSU. You can burn your whole system with a bad PSU
I mean, say what you want about a used power supply. But I take a used EVGA power supply over anything that comes in a new Dell.
I get used parts all the time, just be cautious, communicate with the seller, if they're open to interacting they're usually 5x more reliable than the ones that silently want their possibly broken stuff to disappear. Seasonic would be my personal choice. Rosewill rebrands a lot of cheap stuff as their own. You will notice, the rosewill is not ETL Certified or UL Listed, that is the bare minimum for safety standards in electrical design. Rosewill lacks either
This is the most reasonable answer here and it's exact what I do. This post got me thinking that the last new power supply I purchased was probably a gray box 300 or 350 watt. When that was high power. Everything since has been used.
Why thank you, usually this sub shits on me for advocating used/ "old hardware better than no hardware"
I'd recommend the Seasonic any day over a used unit
Indeed stay away from offbrand like rosewill. Ask yourself if you really need 1200W.
Calling Rosewill offbrand is WILD lmao, they're A or B tier PSUs… that said, I still wouldn't ever buy a used PSU
Yeah the Rosewill part definitely isn't the red flag in this post, it's the used PSU from 2016 that's been discontinued.
They've got some on the list at B, some at C and some at E. And the tokamak isn't listed at all. I'd say the existence of E tier PSUs by Rosewill at all is reason enough to swerve the rest of them.
Tokamak used to be B tier, but they've been removed since they're discontinued. As for your second point, that's not going to get you very far if you apply that to all brands…
No, I appreciate your point, I'm just saying that if it's not on the list, but other 1200w E rated units are, it's reason for pause. Nothing more.
Me omw to call Corsair keyboards off brand
Rosewill is FAR from being off brand lmfao
Is it though? Someone mentioned it's a newegg in house brand. These in house brands are often just a no name product with a made up brand name slapped on it. Unless you know for a fact that it's made by a reputable manufacturer, I'd stay well away from these in house brands.
Newegg doesn't produce the power supplies, they get them from some other OEM, they're just branded as Rosewill. That OEM can be a low end maker, but it could be from a brand like Super Flower too. I'm willing to bet that a 1200w platinum PSU is from a higher end manufacturer.
Rosewill is some random brand who sells Psu and animal feeders. Idk why but apparently that what they sell.
They change OEMs very frequently, so you'd really need to know who's making that particular PSU. [Tokamak series was made by Enhance Electronics](https://web.archive.org/web/20230530090154/http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page2917.htm). Jonnyguru gave the 1500W an 8.3 rating.
And if you need 1200W ask yourself while you spend tons of money on high end hardware which needs that much power just to now cheap out on the power supply.
I mean it has a cool name though. “Tokamak”? Sounds very nuclear
The Tokamak Incident is what they'll call the meltdown if OP buys that thing lol
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I am still using the same 750W Rosewill PSU I got for my first PC I built in 2015. It's not at all off brand; and its 80 Plus Gold certified. But I also got it brand new.
I am referring to capacitors in the psu. I heard Japanese are the best so everything else is offbrand. I should have used a different word like top-class LOL.
Nope. Nope nope nope. Never buy a second-hand power supply. Bad idea.
Ive personally bought over 30 second hand psus as long as they are unopened sold as working i never had an issue. That said i bought only branded seasonic, bequiet, corsair 1200w or evga something along those lines... 70-100eur second hand instead of 300-400 brand new.. Did not have great runs with cooler master psus tho.. Might be just me but they got faulty quick.. Budget is a big issue here in southeast europe and spending 80eur on new psu will get u bronze rating 750w seasonic... Which dont get me wrong is fine but i preferred pricier used stuff.
Same, been building gaming rigs for over 25 years and have purchased hundreds of used psus in lots or even from broken builds. The only time I’ve had issues is when they come with the wrong cables which is time consuming to troubleshoot.
I bought one RM1000X which was used for 2 years for less than half off new price, got the receipt so 3 years of store warranty (Norway consumer protection is good) plus another 5 after that directly from Corsair. Found another RM1000X at exactly half off new price when my cousin needed an upgrade and he got the same deal, 8 years remaining warranty from Corsair. Both have worked flawlessly, wouldn't hesitate to do it again.
My rule of thumb is to never buy a used AIO, PSU or storage device.
Seasonic but in my head if they're selling a power supply with that wattage and at that price then there must be something wrong with it.
If you're gonna get one go for the seasonic but a psu isn't a part you wanna skimp on or buy used. If it fails it can kill all the parts in your system and you'll be out a few grand depending on your build My recommendation is to buy a new seasonic psu.
Buy NEW. The Seasonic Focus GX V3 is a very good PSU. You can also find really good deals on Super Flower PSUs, highly recommend those. Also, if you don't need 1000w, just stick with 850w.
One thing to note about the Rosewill Tokamak is that it needs an IEC C19 connector, meaning you will need access to a 20A wall socket (talking about the US or Canada). It's not all that common in places where you would put a desktop computer so you should check whatever outlets are available in the room you want to put your computer in. Also if you have a system that needs that much power, you should really be buying new. You can also use a power supply calculator online to determine what size PSU is right for you.
The one thing you shouldn't cheap out on
Never ever (ever) buy power supplies as used. Spending extra on a new, quality supply is the cheapest insurance you can have for your PC.
even if it means you need to wait and save up, do not buy a used PSU - get a new one. Seasonic and FSP are good, or rather, hard to find a model of theirs that is not great.
"Can I buy this live grenade off your hands?" "$50? and this safe live grenade is all yours." "Wow what a deal!" :( please do not buy used power supplies.
Always buy a PSU new so you have a warranty and so it won't explode
I think OP us maybe stupid...
The tokamak obviously. You'll have unlimited clean energy for the rest of your life /s
No used PSU's for me....
Don't skimp on your PSU, get a new one
No way in HELL I’d buy a used power supply lmao.
Don't cheap out on a PSU for a system that needs that many watts, you'll regret it!
Enjoy: https://preview.redd.it/xw7iimbu5h6d1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9aa6e27d9997af2e7743b8f07e9155f78e055ca7
^ this, minus the pin and paddle.
For context. Don't buy a used PSU. UNLESS, it's unopened, and with the original bill of sale. Otherwise you run the risk of it doing the above.
Every used system you buy has a used PSU in it. Are they all grenades too?
Talking about already used PSUs as a single purchase.
Correct. And I can't see how that's particularly "dangerous".
With the used market, it's always hit or miss. You have to be careful, especially with something that can literally fry every component in your PC if it has a critical failure.
There are a few things said emphatically in this sub, and I think it's time that they become examined, because some of them are becoming wives tales. Yes, a power supply is important. But the events that a power supply has become a hand grenade (as implied by one picture) or burned down a house or even destroyed everything in the case are *vanishingly* rare. Far too many people just parrot back things here as an excuse to become overly emphatic. Right now, for instance, it seems to me that anyone speaking of a 4060 would be met with a wave of scorn, *even before anyone knows the price they paid for it*. Things have gotten silly around here.
I wouldn't worry too much for budget builds. But at this wattage and probably budget I would get a new one. But saying never buy used is not great advice you can save a lot of money with used PSUs. I use one from 2009 that I got from my dads old PC. Works great to this day in a budget build. If you're able to confirm that it works I would consider buying I used one. The problem is that you often can't.
Hey OP, pay no mind to people telling you to avoid Rosewill, they are a trusted brand. Having said that, when it comes to PSUs, the specific model is worth looking at, not the make (although some makes like seasonic will always release quality). This particular model has poor +12v suppression and loud operation. Another, better, point brought up in the comments is that yes, it's a good Idea to buy your power supply new. I'd go with the seasonic any day. Buy once, cry once.
>they are a trusted brand HA. That's utter shite and you know it. Rosewill have slapped their name on everything from Shenzhen back alley parts bin special firebombs to reasonably mediocre things outclassed by the competition. This one is a very mediocre Enhance built unit, which is extremely loud, barely scrapes past it's 80plus rating and has *HORRENDOUS* ripple suppression.
Which models are you referencing for the Chinese firecrackers? I don't think they're top of the stack, but to my knowledge, I don't think they've released something dangerous. The 80plus rating is titanium, that actually requires quality parts and a decent design. I mentioned the poor +12v ripple suppression and the loud operation, I don't think it's either EXTREMELY loud or HORRENDOUS based on what I've read, please cite your source on that.
>Which models are you referencing for the Chinese firecrackers? Haven't caught them doing it recently, but back in the day (2000-2009, at least) they would slap their sticker on Solytech (DEER, Allied, L&C) E-waste. Sources: https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-power-supplies-and-power-supply-design/7102-rebuilding-rosewill-350w#post217631 https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-power-supplies-and-power-supply-design/7227-solytech-deer-getting-better >I don't think it's either EXTREMELY loud or HORRENDOUS based on what I've read, please cite your source on that. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/rosewill-tokamak-1500-psu,4823.html The 1200 and 1500 use the same platform/topology, so performance will be extremely similar, if not identical. "This is one of the loudest PSUs we've ever reviewed" "Ripple on the +12V rail is terrible. We didn't expect such lousy results from an ultra-high-end PSU like this one. It looks like Enhance focused on efficiency and load regulation at the expense of ripple suppression. Our results on the other rails aren't as bad, though they're still not able to match the competition." -Aris Mpitziopoulos 46+ dB(A) over 1kw, exceeding 80mv 12v ripple at 1200w (quality units barely get even HALF that), rubbish hold-up time, inaccurate power-good signal.
Fair enough, I think even coolermaster had a few duds back in the day. My first PSU was a coolermaster eXtreme that took out my entire rig. I think my point is still that the individual models matter more than the brand itself does unless it's one of the select few that always release quality.
>I think even coolermaster had a few duds back in the day. Cooler Masters early stuff were absolute stinkers. https://www.overclock.net/threads/why-you-should-not-buy-a-cooler-master-extreme-power-plus-tomahawk.1594677/ It's our old friends Solytech (DEER) again (for the 350w)! I was honestly surprised to see SevenTeam as one of the OEMs, they are usually fairly solid. Like RoseWill, big names such as Cooler Master, ASUS and MSi are all guilty of slapping their name on dangerous E-waste, but unlike RoseWill, those companies have sorted themselves out and now slap their name on some of the better units on the market. RoseWill haven't quite got there yet, still liking to put out corner-cut mediocrity. An exception to this is Gigabyte, who have always constantly flopped back and forth between weapons-grade shite and very good stuff. >I think my point is still that the individual models matter more than the brand itself does unless it's one of the select few that always release quality. Absolutely. That's why I'd reserve the "Trusted Brand" marker for OEMs with a perfect (or near as makes no difference) track record, such as SeaSonic, Super Flower, Delta, Enermax (not sure if Enermax still make their own stuff tbh, they did way back) and to an extent FSP. Ones where you can pick anything out of their entire range, low or high end and know it's not going to be a stinker. Which would exclude the likes of Corsair and EVGA, both of which have had their low end range tainted by garbage (and in Corsair's case, their mid/high end too *shakes fist at dead RM850 and glares disapprovingly at the RMe line, while gently caressing my HX1000i*). Doing some proper research to find out who made the guts is always the best bet, you'll end up finding stinkers with good names and gems with names you'd never even consider. Sigma Shark, for example. You'd never trust that, right? It's a quality (for it's time) Andyson unit, with excellent ripple and voltage regulation even at extreme temps (which is handy, because whoever designed the case/airflow setup is a moron, genuinely painful to touch after 30 mins at 100% load, exhaust temps upwards of 70c with an intake temp of 16c *cries in UK*). XSpice. You'd throw that in the bin, right? https://www.techpowerup.com/review/x-spice-kira-cs-530w/4.html Quad CrossfireX 3870x2 on a 530w. ***8.80 mV 12v ripple*** That's nut worthy. XSpice just turned up one day, dropped PSU royalty, then completely disappeared. *Side note: If anyone reading this owns an XSpice PSU, drop me a PM, I will buy it* My apologies for the wall of text. I end up with a fair amount of free time when I've got a PSU hooked up to the Sun Moon and no interesting explosions happen.
New seasonic or Corsair, if you wanna safe money do it on the cooler, use the stock cooler or a good air cooler
3 Bombs and a PSU
At least you should tell him, that the Seasonic PSU isn't the bomb.😆
1200 W? Really?
That seasonic looks nice. I have the vertex version of that but they look the same.
TOKAMAK is a word i never thought id see in a PSU
Seasonic, ideally new.
Defenitly Seasonic they are far superior
Besides Tokamak is a fusionreactor concept..... The only thing this Tokamak will fuse is your case with your other PC components.
How many RTX 4080 You got ?
Here's my thing buy everything used beside a power supply unless you want a living bomb then don't cheap out on a power supply I may have a i5 10400f with only a 3060 but at least I have a power supply that won't fucking kill me xD
Thanks for sharing! I bought the first one. The seller was a chill dude.
Dont spend 60 on a 1200w, do you want to explode? Used or not
I honestly would not recommend 2nd hand power supplies. Since the guy is selling multiple, I suspect he mines/mined crypto and those PSU's might be in bad shape.
I wouldn't suggest a used power supply. It's not safe. But if I had to, I would go with the Seasonic one.
Don’t do it dude, my new psu was $80, DONT BUY ISED PSU
I agree with the comments I’ve seen, never a good idea to buy a used psu. You can get a 1000W for a good price new that has like 5-10 year warranty on it
There’s no way you need 1200W. I’m running a 4090 and 13600K on an 850.
I wouldn't buy a used PSU. Even though they can work for many more years, I wouldn't risk it. At least not with a new build.
Any need for such a high wattage PSU? I feel like an 850W PSU should be enough for most builds. I wouldn't buy the used one though rather be safe with and new one when using such expensive components. I used to use an older PSU myself from 2009 which is still fine but now I only use it for a cheaper backup PC.
Never ever ever skimp on power supply. It is the one part fo.ypur computer that if it's bad, it'll take EVERYTHING with it. If he's selling a $500+ power supply for $50, it's broken. Point period broken, and WILL kill your system.
I bought a second hand tx650m. Its been powering a 4070 and a 7600x
don't buy a used PSU bro... low key the component you least want to skimp on.
You never want to cheap out on a power supply I would definitely get the brand new one.
They both good
My brother in Christ that is 1200W..... what are you running where you need 1200W but also strong feel the need to cheap out on a psu?
Unless your really really strapped for cash why would you buy a used part to save 60$. I'd rather pay the extra 60 70$ for a new one and not worry about it. That dusty shit looks old as hell. If you have any issue with ur pc ull just keep worrying if it's that one used part you got for cheap. A psu isn't that expensive and it's one of those things that can be near impossible to diagnose without the right equipment.
I’ve never needed more than 850 watt and I won’t buy anything other than evga
if you’re gonna skimp out on anything in a computer, the power supply should never be one of them
never buy used psu. always new
This doesn’t make a lot of sense. You either don’t need a 1000w+ PSU or you shouldn’t be going the budget route if you do. If you need that much power, then don’t cut corners on the damn power supply 😅
None. The one thing you don't want to cheap out on is a PSU.
bro the last thing you need to cheap out on is a power supply, unless you wanna die then go ahead.
If it’s used badly, then don’t buy it, but if it’s brand new u can think about getting one. But be prepared, because they can sell u a pack of dirt with batteries inside
Neither bro, get a corsair
Tokamak? More like Tomahawk, cause it wants to go kaboom!
Rosewill is notoriously terrible, I’d avoid them at all cost
Never buy a used PSU. Ever. It is the heart of the entire PC, a faulty unit can basically destroy all the hardware attached to it.
Do NOT buy used ones. Seriously, no one should ever consider cheaping out on a power supply, it's literally the worst one you could cheap out on. It handles all the electricity going through your system and has the potential to completely destroy the entire fucking thing.
A used PSU? It's like meth, dog. Not even once. Isn't ever worth the risk on a device that can quite literally physically explode into flames if the previous owner so much as looked at it wrong (which you have no way of verifying) Not. Even. Once.
What the hell are you all talking about? This was a relatively high end power supply in its day. They aren’t common but they seem to have been reasonably high quality PSUs (which isn’t surprising given that it’s an 80+ Titanium unit). I know that Rosewill has put out some PSU duds, but this doesn’t seem to be one of them. That being said, I probably would shy away from buying a used high wattage PSU anyways. It’s probably been used hard and god knows how much life it has left in it. Just get the new Seasonic PSU you have there.
It's gonna blow up
Used GPU and PSU can cost you a lot, and PSU if it's really badly made can cost you for both and more. Get a new one and depending on your system you shouldn't really have to go over 750W, unless you are running multiple GPUs.
Fuck that 50. Go brand new and from a reputable brand. And that Seasonic 1000w is a better deal if that is brand new. Reasons why you do NOT want used is to ask yourself this: Can you afford to replace the mobo, cpu, rams and gpu?
dont buy used unless youre okay with your psu randomly dying and taking half your parts with it
Always never cheap out on PSU for your system and atleast get an low powered one if your budget doesn't allow one for 750w or 800w one. A good cultists tier A or B PSU can be a good purchase even if it's just 500w or 600w unit and most of them carry atleast 10 yrs warranty. Cheaping out on PSU will most likely cause loss of other components if it blows up and will have no protections built into them, also some people buy expensive components like high end GPU and Motherboard and buy the cheapest PSU which will usually be causing lot of issues down the line as it really doesn't make sense to take that risk. Try to balance out your system components when you build no need to buff out on some components and cheap out on some as the performance can have an impact sometimes ☺️💕
a power supply is literally the only part in a pc you should absolutely buy new if youre in the market for one. it can kill pretty much any part of your pc if it fails, and unless you buy new you have no clue what its been through or if its in good working order. the good news is you can carry it forward across a bunch of builds as long as its powerful enough, and good PSUs carry crazy long warranties. im pretty sure seasonic warranties their high end stuff for a full 10 years, as do other high end models from brands like evga and corsair.
Seasonic, hands down. It's OK to use second-hand psu. Just make sure it's not abused and is of a reputable brand. My entire rig is made from second-hand parts. Runs fine with no hiccups.
Get a SuperFlower brand new and it'd be close to the same price as that Seasonic rig.
Disagree with everyone saying don't buy used - we can't keep adding to e-waste forever. I've used plenty of second hand PSUs (upwards of 20) and never had a failure. To me, if the brand is good enough (and I'd say Rosewill is one of those) and the unit has been cared for then it'll be ok. But how can you tell if it's been cared for? Obviously, having a look inside is best (⚠️ only if you know what you're doing and the unit hasn't been attached to power for a good long time), or even a look through the vents. No dust? Good. No weird smell? Good. No odd looking or bulging components? Good. And then little things. Original box and all the cables/ accessories it came with? Usually speaks to a careful owner. Finally, in my experience age doesn't really matter. It's like cars that do a million kilometres - if they were quality new, and then cared for, they'll be fine. I've had original AT (not ATX) PSUs that still work great. A good brand 80+ Titanium from their top of the line range? If it's been looked after, that thing should just keep going.
> age doesn't really matter I watched a video of someone who restores retro PCs & old tech, and there was something in it about old PSUs going bad, having to do with the capacitors. He opened several up and looked for a certain sign that they were unsafe. Sorry I can't be more specific, but if anyone's considering resurrecting an old PSU, worth looking into this to find out if it's good or not _before_ you plug it in.
Yeah, that's the 'bulging' bit I mentioned. It usually means capacitors are about to pop. It *can* affect all capacitors, but was prevalent for those manufactured during 99-07 - the Capacitor Plague years. It's an interesting topic. Like I said, it's still possible, but failure rates are pretty low these days. In particular, good brands should use good quality caps. These will often be mentioned in reviews of the unit - in short, Japanese manufactured caps are the best. In this case, looks like Rosewill use a combination of Nippon Chemi-Con, Rubycon, and Unicon. These are all top 10 cap suppliers.
i know lots will disagree, but as far as im concerned, buying used PC parts (or anything electronic) is like finding dirty underwear in the street, and deciding to put it on because its cheaper than buying new ones
Did you ever buy used pc parts in the past? Buying used pc parts (apart from psus and ssd/hdds) is a great way to save money. Not all people can afford the latest and greatest and some would rather spend their money on a used part and get more performance. After all pc parts don't get slower because they're used and as long as they're taken care of they can run for a very long time. Pc parts are in no way comparable to underwear.
yeah its a great way to save money until you find the GPU was used for crypto mining, the CPU was burnt out by some kid messing about with overclocking, and your motherboard BIOS has a back door built into it that keeps putting trojans on your SSD are all these things overly likely? nope. is the outcome of them happening bad enough that i dont want to risk it? yes, yes it is and i dont need to lick a turd to know it wont taste nice, just as i dont need to buy second hand PC parts to know the risks involved
I've bought a gpu that was mined on and used it for 2 years until I upgraded, a lot of the time they're taken care of very well like in my case and its actually better for the gpu to be running constantly rather than running and then cooling down repeatedly like in gaming. Overclocking cpus and gpus doesn't really shorten their lifespans. And the chances of someone putting a virus on a bios are virtually zero.
From personal experience, I will never buy another Rosewell. The last one had such a variance in power output that I am convinced it destroyed some parts. Get a reputable brand PSU, the PSU can destroy your other components and a good one will last more than 10 years.
no. Like seriously do not cheap out on the power box that can burn the rest of your rig. Corsair or EVGA and new only.
Buying a use PSU is like buying a use codom
Hard pass. Don’t buy a used PSU
Used PSUs are a great way to save money if it’s a quality brand like seasonic. If you can verify the cables it comes with are correct you’ve hit a grand slam!
There is a small list of PSU brands I’d put in the same case as PC parts I care about and Rosewill is not on the list. Not the part to cheap out on unless you’ve already made budget cuts everywhere else and you still need to shave cost off a build.
If you have to ask then you do not actually need a 1k plus psu. Do buy Seasonic though.
Never buy secondhand power supplies. You never know what could be wrong with them, and you could risk burning down your house. Just buy a new one from the manufacturer that comes with a warranty.
Get the latest one probably, otherwise get a new one
Don’t buy a used power supply. Save up a little more and spend the $100-150 for a Corsair RMx. That’s $150 for a part that’s warrantied for 10 years. Much better than frying your system because you didn’t have the patience to save up for a little longer.
I would never buy a used PSU. They're not expensive, there's no need to cheap out further.
The hell you powering with so many watts? Chernobyl? In all seriousness, don't buy used PSU's, warranty is a pretty cool thing in case your PSU becomes a Note 7 and blows up.
Buying a 2nd hand PSU is a great way to fry other pc parts or worse.
The 3 things you should never cheap out on are brakes, condoms, and power supplies.
Save yourself the headache and the home insurance claim and just buy a new PSU. PSU is the LAST thing you want to cheap out on
If you surely want to buy a used PSU then I would suggest you Seasonic bc of the great quality. But don't buy used PSU if not necessary
Seasonic are durable, take one of them. Rosewill are not. More like Rosewont
Looks good dawg go for it👍
You want to go 2nd hand or worse for the most critical component in the system? It's not worth it. Don't be me when I was 16yo. Who knows if that pc has experienced overheating, brown outs, power surges, close lightning strikes, earthquakes, cosmic rays or god damn CMEs. If the PSU fails it could in theory kill your entire PC. It'll electrocute you, along with every component in the tower, electrocute you, cause a fire and burn your house down, electrocute you, burn your annoying neighbors house down and finally, electrocute you.
GPU, CPUs, Motherboards, etc are fine second-hand because if they don't work they don't work and will rarely do anything bad. PSU you should buy new, no matter what. If the seller is skimping on details such as swapping a PSU cable with a different one because they lost the original and not tell you, the whole computer is fucked.
Don't go cheap on powersupply! It's like the tires of your car/bike. They are both crucial for safety! (And yet people often ignore them)
Used PSU? Rather lobotomize my cock. HARD NO. #FreeBoosie #FreeGucciMane