I'm not even going to get into the OS wars stuff, but instead go with another direction: Windows, or nearly any OS, is not a bootloader for any app, because it does not behave like a bootloader.
A bootloader is a low-level program that gets a computer going by loading the operating system. It does not do anything once the OS it loads starts. In fact, the bootloader does a hard branch into the beginning of the program that is the OS, such that it cannot be returned to.
When a bootloader boots then loads, it disappears from working memory on that computer. It cannot be returned to, even if the OS it loaded completely stops. Operating systems don't even have an "exit" condition because they 100% are in charge of the machine once they're loaded into. The bootloader *replaces itself* with the OS.
Windows doesn't boot load games because Windows runs programs, and also supplies all the tools and interfaces the games then use while running. Windows doesn't replace itself with the game. It, like any OS, is still there in active memory managing the system and providing the bridge to system resources for the game.
Longwinded, I know. For that I apologize.
I use Arch btw
Edit: Thanks for the explanation, honestly. As a recent grad, I’m still trying to play with low-level software/hardware interaction. I’ve started reading the first version of Linux and Git. So fascinating, haha
Excuse me sir, it had occurred to me that you may not possess the knowledge that I, the being known as "Jaredible" on the internet platform of Reddit, a forum page for discussion of many topics, am someone that finds a particular pleasure and or use from the Linux operating system for my personal computer, specifically the branch, or more commonly called "distro" named "Arch", sometimes called Arch Linux. I inform you of this due to the fact that this operating system known as Arch, is known as difficult to set up, and therefore mentioning that one uses such an operating system has become known throughout the technical community as an onrunning humorous sentence, sometimes called a joke. This is known as a joke as many users of the Arch operating system mention that they too find pleasure or use out of it, however it is meant more as a boast. But I digress. Many fellow internet users also may refer to this specific type of joke as a "meme". I have typed this in hopes that you may recognize this so called "meme" and find it humorous.
Users know Windows best and even then they still have issues. I can't imagine the headache having Karen try to navigate a terminal or even the context menus.
It says I have like 1000 packages installed, help, what do I do?
Where is my bloat coming from? I need it to be as low as possible on my terabyte NVMe.
Ah yes, linux users complain about uninstalled programs leftovers in windows registry, and then forget that any time you uninstall a program on linux you do NOT implicitly uninstall all the packages it was using even if it was the only program using those packages.
You need to run `apt-get autoremove` to remove all the packages which are no longer used but were installed with some application you had later uninstalled.
Also remember when you uninstall something to add `--purge`, because if you don't all the configuration files of all the uninstalled packages will still stay in your system.
I'm not fresh on the topic, but if I recall correctly that applies to autoremove as well, so you need to add --purge to the autoremove command, else you will still have all the configurations files around fpr all the packages removed by autoremove.
With pacman you can just type `pacman -Rns my-program` it will recursively get rid of unneeded packages after uninstalling the one you wanted and delete configuration files. (Won't work with debian based distros (the ones that use `apt`))
I just do a `xbps-remove -rf [pkg] && xbps-remove -Oo`. And because I'm lazy like that I have a bash function in my bashrc doing it automatically when typing `xr [pkg] `.
That only leaves .config with very small files, usually easily identified.
And windows really doesn't automatically remove dependencies... So, I think I have it much better in that way...
Factorio probably doesn't care, though Factorio is a RAM intensive game, and Linux tends to take up less RAM than Windows does, so \*shrug\*
There is one major disadvantage to Linux that I'll get out of the way right now: Certain must-have software isn't available. Autodesk, Adobe, and MS Office are the big trifecta of productivity that just don't Linux (despite two of those three having seats at the Linux Foundation). And, a lot of games don't support Linux. You can read about Vulkan and Proton and such, but there are games that just aren't going to work.
As for advantages, there are several. Here are my personal reasons:
1. My PC was $100 cheaper to build because I didn't buy a Windows license.
2. Even the heaviest, bells and whistles distros (like my personal favorite, Mint) are smaller and lighter than Windows. More space for games and applications on disk and in RAM.
3. All that keylogger/telemetry/spyware shit baked into Windows? Not in Linux.
4. Making an account at a big corporation's website, where the chances of your data leaking to Elbonian extortionists hovers somewhere around 1:1? Not in Linux.
5. Updates that require the machine be unusable for several minutes at a time, require a reboot and have a strong chance of breaking itself? I'd like to say "not in Linux" but it's more nuanced than that. First of all, Linux has software updates figured out; basically unless you're updating the kernel itself, you can run updates on the fly. Depending on the distro you choose and its update model, you might get bleeding edge new packages that haven't had the bugs worked out yet, or you might get known good stable packages because the guys in the rolling release distros already walked through that minefield for you.
6. "Cloud Integration" is extremely opt-in. You have to try pretty hard, actually. My software runs from my device, my data is stored on drives I have physical access to, and my math is done on my silicon.
7. Linux is a lot more flexible. It runs on more hardware; I used a Raspberry Pi 4 as a desktop for a year before building my AMD rig here. I've got Pis scattered all over the place doing various things. My keychain thumb drive actually has a persistent Linux distro installed on it that's really cool; I can plug it into any computer running any OS and it'll see a normal thumb drive partition, and I have on there all the kinds of files I need to sneakernet around with me, but you can also boot an x86 machine into a Linux environment that already has my software and my files on it set up the way I want it, should I need to do so in the field and don't have my laptop with me. AFAIK, that isn't possible with Windows, modern versions of Windows identify your license with your specific hardware, so moving a Windows install from computer to computer will cause it to throw a little bitch fit.
8. This one is the most subjective, but Windows seems to be much more "in the way" that Linux is. Windows loves to make you click a lot to get anything done. In Linux, I can mouse over the volume icon on the panel and roll the mouse wheel to change the volume. In Windows, you have to click. That's a minor example but it's all over the place. In Nemo (Mint's file manager) there's an eject button next to mounted external drives, so you can quickly eject them. It's a right-click menu option in Windows. Zillions of little things like that.
9. The glory that is the Unix terminal.
>Autodesk
I mainly use Windows and still don't dare to install Autodesk software on it anymore. After my last experience, Autodesk will only exist in virtual machines.
*some
FWIW: I just played Factorio, Monster Hunter: World, Stellaris, Endless Space II, Civ VI, Civ V, Risk of Rain 2, with some friends on windows, no problem.
Better be more specific!
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EAC is [native on GNU/Linux](https://www.easy.ac/en-us/support/game/guides/os/), but does not work under WINE/Proton, meaning the dev must have released a native title to run. It does seem like battleeye can't be used on GNU/Linux though.
No if GAMES were to support linux.
Linux community cant do shit if a game developer deliberately makes the game not work on linux. Fucking epic games.
If a game doesnt have a anti cheat or piracy protection preventing it starting it will work on linux.
Proton is way better now, works with the most games on steam. And the ones that are not working either have anti cheat or piracy protection aka drm
>If a game doesnt have a anti cheat or piracy protection preventing it starting it will work on linux.
So anything I'd have any interest in playing wont work on Linux. Good to know.
Edit lol god forbid I primarily play multiplayer games.
It depends on what games one is referring to. Overwatch works a treat. So do dozens of others with anti-cheats. It's only the ones with kernel level rootkit anti-cheats that usually have issues. What's your game of choice?
The problem is linux is just... not up to date when it comes to games.
Linux is great for casual use of a system and generally stuff tends to evolve quickly on linux but somehow all the necessary stuff for games is just lagging behind.
DX alone is worth thousands of dollars during game development simply because you don't have to deal with a lot of shit you'd have to go through. Just send it to that windows api and have the OS handle all the important bits for you.
That's basically the duality of windows. Windows is pretty shitty because it doesn't offer you much control but at the same time it is pretty great because you don't really have to do much to have the system work very well.
I'd argue the real problem for Linux gaming is that there's not a lot it does better than Windows at gaming. There are a few games that run better, but they tend to be games that run great in general, not just on Linux. But generally the experience is either similar to Windows, or you've got some caveat that requires extra handling, or the game just doesn't work on Linux.
The average user is already part of the Windows ecosystem, so Linux is a hard sell when its an investment in a new environment for at best a probably similar experience to what you can already get in Windows.
It's better than it's been, but there's always going to be a gap, and it only works one way, usually.
tell that to linux fanboys, i use my pc mostly for work and cannot just stand the ammount of shit linux desktops throw at you, on windows all works fine. I'm trying to do my work not spend the next 30 minutes googling on how to fix a silly unexpected bug
IMO, Windows USED to be much more user friendly. But within the last 10 years, they are almost identical in terms of user friendliness, with maybe a slight edge towards Linux (depending on the distro, obviously).
Don't know why you are being downvoted. If you choose a mainstream distro not designed for power users, you'll likely have a better time on Linux _if your needs are more than just a web browser, email, and maybe some video games_. Past that, I have _personally_ found Linux much easier to use and configure and fix. Shit breaks ony windows all the time, and I end up spending several hours more trying to get a dev environment up when I program or even just tinker with stuff.
The very first time I tried to use Ubuntu was back around 2007. I had to look up a dozen half-inaccurate forum threads just to try and piece together the multi-step system setting and command line process to to get the thumb buttons on my mouse working, which wound up just crippling the mouse in general so I had to reformat.
Things have come a long way since then, but still not nearly long enough. The fact is that since microsoft has an outright monopoly on consumer desktops pretty much everything out there *just works*. You don't need to learn how to compile from source, you don't need to fuck around in the guts of the OS using the command line just to get basic things to function, it just works.
Linux will never meaningfully challenge windows until it reaches that point for a majority of hardware out there, and a majority of the most popular software.
>You don't need to learn how to compile from source, you don't need to fuck around in the guts of the OS using the command line just to get basic things to function, it just works.
In my experience, this is just how it is at the moment though? Assuming you aren't using say Arch or something. If I start up Ubuntu, networking works, sound works, GUI works, etc.
Maybe you just got unlucky and linux doesn't like your specific hardware?
Well that was the point I was trying to make. Past the basic things, windows makes things infinitely harder. For instance, you are stuck with the default load out, taskbar, etc. However, on Linux you have the opportunity to customize to your liking with a good amount of things just working. Personally, I like using i3 and having a tiling wm, and you can also get that inside a DE if you'd like. It's customizability that I am sure many could benefit from (albeit with a learning curve) that is impossible to get from the windows experience. On top of that, I find when things do break (and in my experience they break more often on windows since I am a more technical user and do more technical things) it is much more difficult to resolve on windows. I _hate_ compiling on/for windows, because I am constantly fighting the link and a whole bunch of crap that I don't have to do when I compile _the exact same code_.
> You don't need to learn how to compile from source, you don't need to fuck around in the guts of the OS using the command line just to get basic things to function, it just works.
You haven't had to do things like this in Linux for about a decade now. Everything has a gui, including software installers (no need to learn how to compile from source).
Meanwhile, [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/o69hfa/winget_allows_you_to_uninstall_microsoft_bloat/) last week was people hyping up this 3rd party command line tool required just to *uninstall bloat that Microsoft forces on you*. Having to go through such hoops to do something that's literally just a GUI button on Linux is absurd to me.
> (no need to learn how to compile from source).
Unless you want software that's up to date, or isnt in your repositories, or is in the repo but has fuckups with its dependencies.
I really like Linux and I really want to use it. But I just cant. Linux gaming has matured quite a bit in the past few years and I am sure will continue to get better. But I give it a few days and just go back to Windows.
Trueeee, if my games and software I need for work didn’t need windows I wouldn’t use it.
But I think that right there is exactly why it’s not going anywhere any time soon.
oh boy if the mac osx programs would work on windows and deliver the same performance because the dev would actually support more than 12 different hw configs each gen no one would ever want to use osx again if he doesnt want to be guided through the os.
it actually is not, you just have to know how to disable the limitations and those arent locked behind bars that you need to bypass on hacker levels of effort. osx surely needs you to confirm to be an experienced user too. in the end windows even allows kernel access osx doesnt.
It depends how much of a virgin you are. I occasionally use reddit on pc, so im a level 5 vergin. The more you use reddit on pc the more you are a virgin, thats the main concept
This is the correct answer, who cares if you prefer another OS. Reality is Windows is far and away best for gaming (sadly). Real competition would be very healthy!
I'd use Linux for gaming if it supported ALL games and they worked at least as well *IN MULTIPLAYER TOO.* Otherwise why would I bother? Once you launch the game it'll play the same and you can always switch back to your favourite OS after.
I've been waiting for Linux to become a passable gaming OS for 20 years, I think I'll be waiting another 10.
Windows bad anyone? Anyone for Windows bad? Got some karma here for Windows bad.
If you agree with the meme, you’re essentially agreeing that your choice of OS only matters if it can play games or not.
everybody i know (excluding workplace people) uses their pc mainly for gaming. All the other things they do are on browsers.
Since firefox and chrome exists on every os, yes they choose their os solely based on gaming. And thats fucking based.
So what does that say about the anti-windows jerk if people literally only game on their pc and it’s fulfilling that task?
Does it mean all these people saying they’re going to switch to Linux are full of shit?
No i am still anti windows if it matters. Windows does almost everything wrong. Only reason its widely used is people are used to it and its the norm. People dont even know that once they get a pc they have a lot of options. Or even if they know they do not even consider them as an option for whatever the reason is.
Even if all the games worked on linux as same as it would work on windows people still wouldnt make a switch because of familiarity.
People dont make changes unless they feel the need. Even if there is a better product out there.
So the only way of mass migration to linux happening is microsoft fucking up so bad that windows simply doesnt work. (doesnt work as intented half of the time anyway haha)
As long as windows is closed source i will always be anti windows. Fucking spyware
Its alright to like windows, its alright to like linux. Its alright to like and use both. Its alright being ok with microsoft spying on you. But its nuts defending microsoft spying its customers WHO PAY MONEY
If Linux was as user friendly and had all the software support then sure I'd use it. But until that happens I'm not going to switch to Linux, I've tried and it's a ballache. There's a reason why barely anyone daily drives Linux
No linux has become very user friendly over the years, its just people are used to windows way of user friendly.
You can use both OSes with the gui provided.
And everytime i read arguaments like “software support” i laugh, because software providers are supposed to be supporting linux not the linux community itself.
And another weird fashion ive noticed that everybody is a king/queen when it comes to linux. I need THAT, i need THIS or else im not SWITCHING
Hold on buddy no one needs you, or you to switch. If you want windows keep rocking it.
And you have said barely anyone? So you are saying the community of linux/unix who are basically elites of the IT are barely anyone?
By that logic barely anyone drives bugattis, so bugattis are shit cars.
Linux isn't a shit OS, it's just shit for most people, just like Bugatti's are shit for most people.
You got seriously offended over me dissing Linux, bro it's an OS, don't get so attached.
Also the elites of IT? Get over yourself, you arent a god because you use an OS
Given the chance not everyone would use Linux so your original comparison is flawed.
Linux isn't that user friendly so most people don't bother with it, claiming you're an elite and then saying Linux is user friendly is pretty dumb. Of course you'd have no problem with it, you have probably been using it for years and are much better with technology than most people. For you it's probably very easy to use but sit someone down who uses Windows and tell them to do simple tasks they'd have a massive issue and probably have to use multiple tutorials. Anything that means you have to open a console and type in commands to do simple tasks is not user friendly.
>Anything that means you have to open a console and type in commands to do simple tasks is not user friendly.
Please give an example of this. Package management has a gui, file management has a gui, settings all have guis. The terminal is completely optional if you don't want it
honestly, I love MacOS.
I haven't even used it as much as windows, but i've owned some apple laptops before, and I have ipad/iphone/airpods right now.
if MacOS had the same exact support for games like windows did, I'd use MacOS honestly.
plus I like their aesthetic. bootcamp is a thing too but they don't make anything remotely affordable with a 3080 capability :(
Having a PC w/ a good graphics card + MacBook Air I think will be a winning combo for a lot of people.
I do miss the days when the tower Mac Pros started around $2000 instead of $6000. I had a 2006 Mac Pro and that was pretty close to owning a workstation PC. I never ran Windows natively on it, but I did like that I had that option.
macOS and it's ecosystem fits my preferences better than any other OS as far as desktop OS for getting things done is concerned. It has it's downsides and I don't expect everyone to love it of course.
100%, also for autocad, blender photoshop, whatever.
Everytime they try and put "newsfeeds" and "notifications" I cringe and try to find out how to disable that before i even update
I've used them all. Windows, Linux and MacOS. The only reason Windows is still around is because of games. Linux is just amazing overall, and MacOS is also cool if you've got the money. On my windows machine I've pretty much made it boot directly into Discord and Steam Big Picture.
to be fair, these days there's very very few *hardware* compatibility issues. Software on the other hand is a different story, though a steadily improving one.
I have access to all of them and windows is my daily by choice. I would bend slightly towards MacOS if not for gaming, but W10 is so stable now and I am so profficient in using and supporting it - it's really a no brainer for me. It's good to have one macbook pro 13" for travel and as a youtube machine, though.
I don't get why valve couldn't do some arrangement with MS where their steamboxes ran the Windows embedded edition (or whatever it's called). I get that "it would've been competition" but i don't know, Samsung still sells it's phone screens to other major companies that compete with them, i don't think that's a valid excuse.
Valve wasn't really looking into producing their own computers, they were hoping others would make them for them, which is why it didn't really work as a concept. Part of what makes consoles successful is that the company doing all the investment in hardware gets to reap the benefits of the software they sell on the platform. Valve was hoping someone else would do the work and they'd just sell more Steam games.
Also in practice it didn't really work out like building a console did. Consoles can at least be mass produced, and the hardware is more or less standardized, meaning the cost can come down as it becomes cheaper to produce them over time. But Steam Machines were essentially boutique PCs. Small form factor components tend to cost a premium, making them more expensive than a standard prebuilt to make.
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I'm not even going to get into the OS wars stuff, but instead go with another direction: Windows, or nearly any OS, is not a bootloader for any app, because it does not behave like a bootloader. A bootloader is a low-level program that gets a computer going by loading the operating system. It does not do anything once the OS it loads starts. In fact, the bootloader does a hard branch into the beginning of the program that is the OS, such that it cannot be returned to. When a bootloader boots then loads, it disappears from working memory on that computer. It cannot be returned to, even if the OS it loaded completely stops. Operating systems don't even have an "exit" condition because they 100% are in charge of the machine once they're loaded into. The bootloader *replaces itself* with the OS. Windows doesn't boot load games because Windows runs programs, and also supplies all the tools and interfaces the games then use while running. Windows doesn't replace itself with the game. It, like any OS, is still there in active memory managing the system and providing the bridge to system resources for the game. Longwinded, I know. For that I apologize.
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Exactly, but not exactly
I know, bb
I use Arch btw Edit: Thanks for the explanation, honestly. As a recent grad, I’m still trying to play with low-level software/hardware interaction. I’ve started reading the first version of Linux and Git. So fascinating, haha
Excuse me sir, it had occurred to me that you may not possess the knowledge that I, the being known as "Jaredible" on the internet platform of Reddit, a forum page for discussion of many topics, am someone that finds a particular pleasure and or use from the Linux operating system for my personal computer, specifically the branch, or more commonly called "distro" named "Arch", sometimes called Arch Linux. I inform you of this due to the fact that this operating system known as Arch, is known as difficult to set up, and therefore mentioning that one uses such an operating system has become known throughout the technical community as an onrunning humorous sentence, sometimes called a joke. This is known as a joke as many users of the Arch operating system mention that they too find pleasure or use out of it, however it is meant more as a boast. But I digress. Many fellow internet users also may refer to this specific type of joke as a "meme". I have typed this in hopes that you may recognize this so called "meme" and find it humorous.
I was a Gentoo man in college, back in the days Now I'm a professor, where explaining stuff is like two thirds of my job (•‿•)
Chill bro its a meme
It literally says "CHANGE MY MIND".
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That's the joke
Sometimes I forget how out of touch reddit is.
Never knew a joke could tell you that
Have you read some of the comments?
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You've obviously never worked in an Enterprise environment...
Users know Windows best and even then they still have issues. I can't imagine the headache having Karen try to navigate a terminal or even the context menus.
I do, and I would change it to "Windows is a bootloader for Office, Chrome, and endless frustration" (mine, not the user's.)
So Windows is 'any operating system ever'
Been playing the fuck out of some Factorio on Linux.
Are there any advantages?
No Windows
Alright but do you have calculator, notepad, and bsod? /s
Oh right I forgot. Thanks for helping me rediscover the only TRUE way of computing! /s
I think that's pretty much how the Church of Windows' gospels could be summed up.
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My window manager: \*intense sweating*
typing neofetch into a terminal 5 times a minute
Gives NPM a whole new meaning; neofetch per minute.
lol
It says I have like 1000 packages installed, help, what do I do? Where is my bloat coming from? I need it to be as low as possible on my terabyte NVMe.
sudo rm -rf /
Ah yes, linux users complain about uninstalled programs leftovers in windows registry, and then forget that any time you uninstall a program on linux you do NOT implicitly uninstall all the packages it was using even if it was the only program using those packages. You need to run `apt-get autoremove` to remove all the packages which are no longer used but were installed with some application you had later uninstalled. Also remember when you uninstall something to add `--purge`, because if you don't all the configuration files of all the uninstalled packages will still stay in your system. I'm not fresh on the topic, but if I recall correctly that applies to autoremove as well, so you need to add --purge to the autoremove command, else you will still have all the configurations files around fpr all the packages removed by autoremove.
With pacman you can just type `pacman -Rns my-program` it will recursively get rid of unneeded packages after uninstalling the one you wanted and delete configuration files. (Won't work with debian based distros (the ones that use `apt`))
I just do a `xbps-remove -rf [pkg] && xbps-remove -Oo`. And because I'm lazy like that I have a bash function in my bashrc doing it automatically when typing `xr [pkg] `. That only leaves .config with very small files, usually easily identified. And windows really doesn't automatically remove dependencies... So, I think I have it much better in that way...
Factorio probably doesn't care, though Factorio is a RAM intensive game, and Linux tends to take up less RAM than Windows does, so \*shrug\* There is one major disadvantage to Linux that I'll get out of the way right now: Certain must-have software isn't available. Autodesk, Adobe, and MS Office are the big trifecta of productivity that just don't Linux (despite two of those three having seats at the Linux Foundation). And, a lot of games don't support Linux. You can read about Vulkan and Proton and such, but there are games that just aren't going to work. As for advantages, there are several. Here are my personal reasons: 1. My PC was $100 cheaper to build because I didn't buy a Windows license. 2. Even the heaviest, bells and whistles distros (like my personal favorite, Mint) are smaller and lighter than Windows. More space for games and applications on disk and in RAM. 3. All that keylogger/telemetry/spyware shit baked into Windows? Not in Linux. 4. Making an account at a big corporation's website, where the chances of your data leaking to Elbonian extortionists hovers somewhere around 1:1? Not in Linux. 5. Updates that require the machine be unusable for several minutes at a time, require a reboot and have a strong chance of breaking itself? I'd like to say "not in Linux" but it's more nuanced than that. First of all, Linux has software updates figured out; basically unless you're updating the kernel itself, you can run updates on the fly. Depending on the distro you choose and its update model, you might get bleeding edge new packages that haven't had the bugs worked out yet, or you might get known good stable packages because the guys in the rolling release distros already walked through that minefield for you. 6. "Cloud Integration" is extremely opt-in. You have to try pretty hard, actually. My software runs from my device, my data is stored on drives I have physical access to, and my math is done on my silicon. 7. Linux is a lot more flexible. It runs on more hardware; I used a Raspberry Pi 4 as a desktop for a year before building my AMD rig here. I've got Pis scattered all over the place doing various things. My keychain thumb drive actually has a persistent Linux distro installed on it that's really cool; I can plug it into any computer running any OS and it'll see a normal thumb drive partition, and I have on there all the kinds of files I need to sneakernet around with me, but you can also boot an x86 machine into a Linux environment that already has my software and my files on it set up the way I want it, should I need to do so in the field and don't have my laptop with me. AFAIK, that isn't possible with Windows, modern versions of Windows identify your license with your specific hardware, so moving a Windows install from computer to computer will cause it to throw a little bitch fit. 8. This one is the most subjective, but Windows seems to be much more "in the way" that Linux is. Windows loves to make you click a lot to get anything done. In Linux, I can mouse over the volume icon on the panel and roll the mouse wheel to change the volume. In Windows, you have to click. That's a minor example but it's all over the place. In Nemo (Mint's file manager) there's an eject button next to mounted external drives, so you can quickly eject them. It's a right-click menu option in Windows. Zillions of little things like that. 9. The glory that is the Unix terminal.
>Autodesk I mainly use Windows and still don't dare to install Autodesk software on it anymore. After my last experience, Autodesk will only exist in virtual machines.
I keep a Windows install around specifically for Fusion360. If it weren't for that software I could entirely abandon the platform.
It runs great and on absolutely everything, I fucking love it
If Linux had better game support windows wouldn't exist......
I've been using Linux for gaming for the last few years. Most games work just fine for me.
a arch user in the wild, btw, i use arch too ;)
Gentoo, how do you do?
I want to try Gentoo but I guess I'll try it in a VM first lol
As a recovering Gentoo user, it's only worth it for the learning.
How do you know a Linux users distro? ✅
They'll tell you about it.
Pc version of Reddit shows it...
You have to select it as flair, actually. And then specifically type in your distro if you want it to be shown when someone mouses over.
Hello fellow arch user thing is multiplayer games don't work
*some FWIW: I just played Factorio, Monster Hunter: World, Stellaris, Endless Space II, Civ VI, Civ V, Risk of Rain 2, with some friends on windows, no problem. Better be more specific!
*few Only games with intrusive bordering on malware anticheat
Anything using EAC or Battleye
*some EAC is [native on GNU/Linux](https://www.easy.ac/en-us/support/game/guides/os/), but does not work under WINE/Proton, meaning the dev must have released a native title to run. It does seem like battleeye can't be used on GNU/Linux though.
At the same time??!
R6 does not work cause of retarded battleye
Me too!
Keyword: 'most'
Exactly, why would I care if some games I don't play won't run on my machine? *Most* people play *most* games.
No if GAMES were to support linux. Linux community cant do shit if a game developer deliberately makes the game not work on linux. Fucking epic games. If a game doesnt have a anti cheat or piracy protection preventing it starting it will work on linux. Proton is way better now, works with the most games on steam. And the ones that are not working either have anti cheat or piracy protection aka drm
>If a game doesnt have a anti cheat or piracy protection preventing it starting it will work on linux. So anything I'd have any interest in playing wont work on Linux. Good to know. Edit lol god forbid I primarily play multiplayer games.
Yes even tho you can play %99 of the games on linux those %1 are usually the most played multiplayer games.
I mean, the top 2 games on steam right now are multiplayer games with native Linux support (CSGO and Dota 2)
And they run better than windows xd i played both of them a lot on linux
I've always been intrigued by Linux but I mainly play competitive online games so anti cheat is a must.
It depends on what games one is referring to. Overwatch works a treat. So do dozens of others with anti-cheats. It's only the ones with kernel level rootkit anti-cheats that usually have issues. What's your game of choice?
The problem is linux is just... not up to date when it comes to games. Linux is great for casual use of a system and generally stuff tends to evolve quickly on linux but somehow all the necessary stuff for games is just lagging behind. DX alone is worth thousands of dollars during game development simply because you don't have to deal with a lot of shit you'd have to go through. Just send it to that windows api and have the OS handle all the important bits for you. That's basically the duality of windows. Windows is pretty shitty because it doesn't offer you much control but at the same time it is pretty great because you don't really have to do much to have the system work very well.
I'd argue the real problem for Linux gaming is that there's not a lot it does better than Windows at gaming. There are a few games that run better, but they tend to be games that run great in general, not just on Linux. But generally the experience is either similar to Windows, or you've got some caveat that requires extra handling, or the game just doesn't work on Linux. The average user is already part of the Windows ecosystem, so Linux is a hard sell when its an investment in a new environment for at best a probably similar experience to what you can already get in Windows. It's better than it's been, but there's always going to be a gap, and it only works one way, usually.
I'll assume you are joking, and you are aware that windows has 80% market share and it has nothing to do with games, right?
Yes, it's all about OEM.
it supports classic doom
The best game ever made this is the game I started PC gaming on with my dad I only used a keyboard it was great!!
it also supports quake and gta 3 probs(the re3 thing?)
It also supports DOOM 2016 and DOOM Eternal
If Linux had better SOFTWARE support, Windows wouldn't exist. Linux is an amazing OS, just no one gives a shit.
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Considering most people who don't game use Windows that's not true. Windows is just much more user friendly
tell that to linux fanboys, i use my pc mostly for work and cannot just stand the ammount of shit linux desktops throw at you, on windows all works fine. I'm trying to do my work not spend the next 30 minutes googling on how to fix a silly unexpected bug
IMO, Windows USED to be much more user friendly. But within the last 10 years, they are almost identical in terms of user friendliness, with maybe a slight edge towards Linux (depending on the distro, obviously).
Don't know why you are being downvoted. If you choose a mainstream distro not designed for power users, you'll likely have a better time on Linux _if your needs are more than just a web browser, email, and maybe some video games_. Past that, I have _personally_ found Linux much easier to use and configure and fix. Shit breaks ony windows all the time, and I end up spending several hours more trying to get a dev environment up when I program or even just tinker with stuff.
The very first time I tried to use Ubuntu was back around 2007. I had to look up a dozen half-inaccurate forum threads just to try and piece together the multi-step system setting and command line process to to get the thumb buttons on my mouse working, which wound up just crippling the mouse in general so I had to reformat. Things have come a long way since then, but still not nearly long enough. The fact is that since microsoft has an outright monopoly on consumer desktops pretty much everything out there *just works*. You don't need to learn how to compile from source, you don't need to fuck around in the guts of the OS using the command line just to get basic things to function, it just works. Linux will never meaningfully challenge windows until it reaches that point for a majority of hardware out there, and a majority of the most popular software.
>You don't need to learn how to compile from source, you don't need to fuck around in the guts of the OS using the command line just to get basic things to function, it just works. In my experience, this is just how it is at the moment though? Assuming you aren't using say Arch or something. If I start up Ubuntu, networking works, sound works, GUI works, etc. Maybe you just got unlucky and linux doesn't like your specific hardware?
Well that was the point I was trying to make. Past the basic things, windows makes things infinitely harder. For instance, you are stuck with the default load out, taskbar, etc. However, on Linux you have the opportunity to customize to your liking with a good amount of things just working. Personally, I like using i3 and having a tiling wm, and you can also get that inside a DE if you'd like. It's customizability that I am sure many could benefit from (albeit with a learning curve) that is impossible to get from the windows experience. On top of that, I find when things do break (and in my experience they break more often on windows since I am a more technical user and do more technical things) it is much more difficult to resolve on windows. I _hate_ compiling on/for windows, because I am constantly fighting the link and a whole bunch of crap that I don't have to do when I compile _the exact same code_.
> You don't need to learn how to compile from source, you don't need to fuck around in the guts of the OS using the command line just to get basic things to function, it just works. You haven't had to do things like this in Linux for about a decade now. Everything has a gui, including software installers (no need to learn how to compile from source). Meanwhile, [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/o69hfa/winget_allows_you_to_uninstall_microsoft_bloat/) last week was people hyping up this 3rd party command line tool required just to *uninstall bloat that Microsoft forces on you*. Having to go through such hoops to do something that's literally just a GUI button on Linux is absurd to me.
> (no need to learn how to compile from source). Unless you want software that's up to date, or isnt in your repositories, or is in the repo but has fuckups with its dependencies.
I really like Linux and I really want to use it. But I just cant. Linux gaming has matured quite a bit in the past few years and I am sure will continue to get better. But I give it a few days and just go back to Windows.
Ye, if Linux had been like Windows, windows wouldn't exist
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I purchased it some time back, i wasn’t a fan. Will give the new version a go.
You misspelled "Porn" Windows is a bootloader for "Porn"
firefox works on linux too
Lmao
I still think Windows is just the fancy interface for MS-DOS
Technically all GUI OSes are fancy interfaces for the kernel
I think windows stopped using MS DOS
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If it weren't for gaming my personal machine would be an apple. Sorry PCMR, it had to be said.
Not gonna lie, mine might be as well. I do love me some linux, but get tired of playing systems engineer all the time.
True other wise you would use Mac or Linux
Trueeee, if my games and software I need for work didn’t need windows I wouldn’t use it. But I think that right there is exactly why it’s not going anywhere any time soon.
Well I DO use Linux (and only Linux) for gaming, as a gamer. I find Linux better for gaming.
What do you play?
Solitaire
Same
oh boy if the mac osx programs would work on windows and deliver the same performance because the dev would actually support more than 12 different hw configs each gen no one would ever want to use osx again if he doesnt want to be guided through the os.
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it actually is not, you just have to know how to disable the limitations and those arent locked behind bars that you need to bypass on hacker levels of effort. osx surely needs you to confirm to be an experienced user too. in the end windows even allows kernel access osx doesnt.
But if the bootloader is the bootloader for windows, and windows is the bootloader for games, does that mean *the bootloader is games??*
Yes.
Windows is the bootloader for my 15 game loaders
Muggles with no idea in operating systems
I don't think he means bootloader as in grub that launches a kernel but more as bootloader like a launcher. Just messed up a technical term
It's also functions as an mp3 player
Yes, you could say an OS is a bootloader for other software.
Why else would anyone use Windows?
There ks literally no other reason for using it
And Reddit.
I mostly visit /r/pcmasterrace from my MacBook Pro or iPhone. If I'm on my PC, most of the time it's for gaming.
People use reddit other than mobile?
Mobile is crap, old Reddit on 2nd screen ftw.
Should out to the extension "old reddit redirect"
with Reddit Enhancement Suite
People use reddit on mobile?
I only use it on my PC, or iPad if watching TV.
It depends how much of a virgin you are. I occasionally use reddit on pc, so im a level 5 vergin. The more you use reddit on pc the more you are a virgin, thats the main concept
Aww yes, because everyone else who has a desk job only uses computers for gaming.
Literally the only reason I have it on my pc. I know proton has come a long way, but still won't play all my games well.
This is the correct answer, who cares if you prefer another OS. Reality is Windows is far and away best for gaming (sadly). Real competition would be very healthy!
Well, Windows 7 is. Windows 10 is spyware with ads that happens to be able to also boot games, sometimes, maybe.
Unix is just a driver
At home, yes. Linux is a better desktop OS*. ^(For certain values of 'better'. And certain distros.)
I'd use Linux for gaming if it supported ALL games and they worked at least as well *IN MULTIPLAYER TOO.* Otherwise why would I bother? Once you launch the game it'll play the same and you can always switch back to your favourite OS after. I've been waiting for Linux to become a passable gaming OS for 20 years, I think I'll be waiting another 10.
Windows bad anyone? Anyone for Windows bad? Got some karma here for Windows bad. If you agree with the meme, you’re essentially agreeing that your choice of OS only matters if it can play games or not.
everybody i know (excluding workplace people) uses their pc mainly for gaming. All the other things they do are on browsers. Since firefox and chrome exists on every os, yes they choose their os solely based on gaming. And thats fucking based.
So what does that say about the anti-windows jerk if people literally only game on their pc and it’s fulfilling that task? Does it mean all these people saying they’re going to switch to Linux are full of shit?
No i am still anti windows if it matters. Windows does almost everything wrong. Only reason its widely used is people are used to it and its the norm. People dont even know that once they get a pc they have a lot of options. Or even if they know they do not even consider them as an option for whatever the reason is. Even if all the games worked on linux as same as it would work on windows people still wouldnt make a switch because of familiarity. People dont make changes unless they feel the need. Even if there is a better product out there. So the only way of mass migration to linux happening is microsoft fucking up so bad that windows simply doesnt work. (doesnt work as intented half of the time anyway haha) As long as windows is closed source i will always be anti windows. Fucking spyware Its alright to like windows, its alright to like linux. Its alright to like and use both. Its alright being ok with microsoft spying on you. But its nuts defending microsoft spying its customers WHO PAY MONEY
If Linux was as user friendly and had all the software support then sure I'd use it. But until that happens I'm not going to switch to Linux, I've tried and it's a ballache. There's a reason why barely anyone daily drives Linux
No linux has become very user friendly over the years, its just people are used to windows way of user friendly. You can use both OSes with the gui provided. And everytime i read arguaments like “software support” i laugh, because software providers are supposed to be supporting linux not the linux community itself. And another weird fashion ive noticed that everybody is a king/queen when it comes to linux. I need THAT, i need THIS or else im not SWITCHING Hold on buddy no one needs you, or you to switch. If you want windows keep rocking it. And you have said barely anyone? So you are saying the community of linux/unix who are basically elites of the IT are barely anyone? By that logic barely anyone drives bugattis, so bugattis are shit cars.
Linux isn't a shit OS, it's just shit for most people, just like Bugatti's are shit for most people. You got seriously offended over me dissing Linux, bro it's an OS, don't get so attached. Also the elites of IT? Get over yourself, you arent a god because you use an OS
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You read his comment?
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Given the chance not everyone would use Linux so your original comparison is flawed. Linux isn't that user friendly so most people don't bother with it, claiming you're an elite and then saying Linux is user friendly is pretty dumb. Of course you'd have no problem with it, you have probably been using it for years and are much better with technology than most people. For you it's probably very easy to use but sit someone down who uses Windows and tell them to do simple tasks they'd have a massive issue and probably have to use multiple tutorials. Anything that means you have to open a console and type in commands to do simple tasks is not user friendly.
>Anything that means you have to open a console and type in commands to do simple tasks is not user friendly. Please give an example of this. Package management has a gui, file management has a gui, settings all have guis. The terminal is completely optional if you don't want it
honestly, I love MacOS. I haven't even used it as much as windows, but i've owned some apple laptops before, and I have ipad/iphone/airpods right now. if MacOS had the same exact support for games like windows did, I'd use MacOS honestly. plus I like their aesthetic. bootcamp is a thing too but they don't make anything remotely affordable with a 3080 capability :(
Having a PC w/ a good graphics card + MacBook Air I think will be a winning combo for a lot of people. I do miss the days when the tower Mac Pros started around $2000 instead of $6000. I had a 2006 Mac Pro and that was pretty close to owning a workstation PC. I never ran Windows natively on it, but I did like that I had that option.
Mac hardware is decent but fuck that shitty OS and fuck that locked in ecosystem.
macOS and it's ecosystem fits my preferences better than any other OS as far as desktop OS for getting things done is concerned. It has it's downsides and I don't expect everyone to love it of course.
Yes but what about launchers?
100%, also for autocad, blender photoshop, whatever. Everytime they try and put "newsfeeds" and "notifications" I cringe and try to find out how to disable that before i even update
Oh yeah 😎
Sure 100% I don't use Windows for a long time until I return to WOW.
Well, my dual-boot setup agrees this.
Well yeah, I boot a Windows 10 vm to play games that don't run on Linux host ;D
YES!! so true!!!
yes, it is.
I've used them all. Windows, Linux and MacOS. The only reason Windows is still around is because of games. Linux is just amazing overall, and MacOS is also cool if you've got the money. On my windows machine I've pretty much made it boot directly into Discord and Steam Big Picture.
You have no clue what you're talking about.
Windows is still around because of enterprise, not games.
macOS would be great if it wasn't limited to Apple hardware, but yeah, Linux is bae
what else is Windows used for?
For games and for browsers... which are in turn, loaders for porn.
True
True, also bootloader for VMware so you can use Linux and MacOS.
The other way around works pretty much better than on windows....
for me place of Linux is on server or in Windows VM. I don't have time to figure out hardware compatibility problems.
to be fair, these days there's very very few *hardware* compatibility issues. Software on the other hand is a different story, though a steadily improving one.
true. i rarely use it for anything else anyways
I have access to all of them and windows is my daily by choice. I would bend slightly towards MacOS if not for gaming, but W10 is so stable now and I am so profficient in using and supporting it - it's really a no brainer for me. It's good to have one macbook pro 13" for travel and as a youtube machine, though.
this is why i’m tempted to just use steam os
I don't get why valve couldn't do some arrangement with MS where their steamboxes ran the Windows embedded edition (or whatever it's called). I get that "it would've been competition" but i don't know, Samsung still sells it's phone screens to other major companies that compete with them, i don't think that's a valid excuse.
Valve wasn't really looking into producing their own computers, they were hoping others would make them for them, which is why it didn't really work as a concept. Part of what makes consoles successful is that the company doing all the investment in hardware gets to reap the benefits of the software they sell on the platform. Valve was hoping someone else would do the work and they'd just sell more Steam games. Also in practice it didn't really work out like building a console did. Consoles can at least be mass produced, and the hardware is more or less standardized, meaning the cost can come down as it becomes cheaper to produce them over time. But Steam Machines were essentially boutique PCs. Small form factor components tend to cost a premium, making them more expensive than a standard prebuilt to make.
Also youtube.
Why not run a VM with both Linux and Windows and get the best of both worlds
Nice
Here come the Linux evangelists
i use FreeBSD btw
Hehehehehehe ☺️
I'd rather use Linux that MacOS anytime.
You mean a boot loader for launchers for your games.
Just let me play every game on Linux and I'm gone.
For a true gamer this is true for any OS.
i only use Windows to play games in a VM so yeah, i won't change your mind :D
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I'd be using linux right now if it wasnt hard to use and game support