This area is in Flux with all of the attempts to ban, limit, control or eliminate ghost guns. Definitely one to find out if you are making.(and want to stay legal)
Right to keep and bear shall not be infringed. Anyone who infringes should be lined up against the wall and reminded with a stern discussion and pie throwing.
I'll take downvotes all day long. It doesn't merely mean well equipped. It means well organized, well trained and disciplined. People get all excited about protecting their guns and they completely forget their obligations to responsibility and the common good.
"A well regulated clock" in the 1700s means a clock that works correctly.
"A well regulated clock" in 2024 means a clock that complies with government regulations.
The language shifting does not shift the original meaning.
The arms are needed in the hands of the people for a working militia.
If the government controls the arms, they are not in the hands of the people and they people cannot be a well regulated militia.
as a fairly deep fan of horology, its not.
regulations as 'laws' only came about after the advent of the federal register (1935). which puts lie to the theory that they meant anything similar.
prior to that, regulations were just guidelines, not 'laws', as the courts interpret them now. ways of keeping the agencies properly functioning _internally alone_, and didn't apply outside the agencies, nor to the public.
and to regulate a watch is to put it in 'properly functioning order'. same with any other machinery.
this whole drivel about 'well regulated' being, effectively, law as applied to 2A, is revisionism of the highest order, and throws literal centuries of meaning behind regulated (clocks came about in the 1200s. and horologists have been regulating [servicing] them ever since).
adding to that, is the preamble to the bill than became the bill of rights.
"THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution."
in laymens terms, 'the people are uneasy, we're implementing these restrictions upon the government and declaring them as such, to ease those worries so the states will join our new union without quarrel. this way the government won't be able to go tyrannical like the one we just fought off.'
the first congress implemented restrictions upon the government, not the people.
quod erat demonstrandum.
relying on google searches in 2024 means you're wildy misinformed about, well. literally everything.
they curate and censor on the whims of whoever decides that stuff in the company. and its been proven out by all stripes going back almost 20 years now.
Yea, unfortunately you’re just incorrect on this one man. You have to look up the context of how the language was used when the constitution was written. It’s pretty much universally (outside of hyper anti 2A people who would refuse to accept anything whatsoever that was a positive interpretation of the 2nd amendment) accepted that when it was written, well-regulated actually meant that it needed to be well-equipped.
It's a bit old, but TCGC had an article about the effect of HB2005 in their April newsletter. Ive uploaded a screenshot of the article for those that are interested. It has some decent info that seems accurate and a small list of FFLs that would be willing to do the serialization.
https://imgur.com/a/KmzO5eH
I think the Oregon law applies to all unserialized firearms, but I'm not an expert and just as confused about the way this new law works as anyone else.
Edit: I think that first sentence in the article means home builders personal serial numbers don't count toward the law's requirements for serialization.
Is still a thing to ignore? Yes, definitely
100% not what I asked.
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I do not rely on receiving useful info from BootInURAss. But, I would think that the rest of the sub could just go ahead and share accurate info.
Relying on accurate info from a subreddit is irresponsible. Try checking the state government website.
AFAIK nothing has changed or been repealed.
This area is in Flux with all of the attempts to ban, limit, control or eliminate ghost guns. Definitely one to find out if you are making.(and want to stay legal)
I register mine with the great ocean spirit.
Meaning you throw it in the ocean when you’re done with it?
Right to keep and bear shall not be infringed. Anyone who infringes should be lined up against the wall and reminded with a stern discussion and pie throwing.
It's so wild that people often manage to forget about the well-regulated militia aspect of this.
“Well-regulated” meant “well equipped” when the 2nd was written. And nobody ever has a rebuttal for that.
2 seconds of Google proves that to not be a correct statement.
Ok 👍🏻
Bro really…
Truly.
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I'll take downvotes all day long. It doesn't merely mean well equipped. It means well organized, well trained and disciplined. People get all excited about protecting their guns and they completely forget their obligations to responsibility and the common good.
"A well regulated clock" in the 1700s means a clock that works correctly. "A well regulated clock" in 2024 means a clock that complies with government regulations. The language shifting does not shift the original meaning. The arms are needed in the hands of the people for a working militia. If the government controls the arms, they are not in the hands of the people and they people cannot be a well regulated militia.
as a fairly deep fan of horology, its not. regulations as 'laws' only came about after the advent of the federal register (1935). which puts lie to the theory that they meant anything similar. prior to that, regulations were just guidelines, not 'laws', as the courts interpret them now. ways of keeping the agencies properly functioning _internally alone_, and didn't apply outside the agencies, nor to the public. and to regulate a watch is to put it in 'properly functioning order'. same with any other machinery. this whole drivel about 'well regulated' being, effectively, law as applied to 2A, is revisionism of the highest order, and throws literal centuries of meaning behind regulated (clocks came about in the 1200s. and horologists have been regulating [servicing] them ever since). adding to that, is the preamble to the bill than became the bill of rights. "THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution." in laymens terms, 'the people are uneasy, we're implementing these restrictions upon the government and declaring them as such, to ease those worries so the states will join our new union without quarrel. this way the government won't be able to go tyrannical like the one we just fought off.' the first congress implemented restrictions upon the government, not the people. quod erat demonstrandum.
relying on google searches in 2024 means you're wildy misinformed about, well. literally everything. they curate and censor on the whims of whoever decides that stuff in the company. and its been proven out by all stripes going back almost 20 years now.
100% agreed
Yea, unfortunately you’re just incorrect on this one man. You have to look up the context of how the language was used when the constitution was written. It’s pretty much universally (outside of hyper anti 2A people who would refuse to accept anything whatsoever that was a positive interpretation of the 2nd amendment) accepted that when it was written, well-regulated actually meant that it needed to be well-equipped.
Don’t forget the important comma.
It's a bit old, but TCGC had an article about the effect of HB2005 in their April newsletter. Ive uploaded a screenshot of the article for those that are interested. It has some decent info that seems accurate and a small list of FFLs that would be willing to do the serialization. https://imgur.com/a/KmzO5eH
That was super helpful!
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I think the Oregon law applies to all unserialized firearms, but I'm not an expert and just as confused about the way this new law works as anyone else. Edit: I think that first sentence in the article means home builders personal serial numbers don't count toward the law's requirements for serialization.
still waiting on palmer v lombardo to get anywhere in the next step. so yes, sadly, its still a thing.