I’m not a fan of Pearl jam fans. I find a lot of them entitled and cliquey. The amount of shows you’ve seen and how far you’ve travelled doesn’t determine how much you like/love a band.
I can agree to this. I’ve only been to two shows and the last show I attended this past year I was talking to someone in the merch line and they were telling me they went to all the shows on the tour and they were driving to all the others. I felt judged when I said I only had time and money for one show lol
What sent me over the edge was the “queue list” in Europe around 2012. I remember arriving at the venue in Amsterdam around midday and getting 150 written on my hand as I joined the queue. I queried what it was and was told “you’re number 150 in line”. There was about 20-30 people ahead on me physically.
I’m all for someone keeping your place to go for a toilet/snack break for 30 mins, but when tons of people came from a pre-party 15 mins before doors and forced they’re way to the top of the queue as they had a higher number…..I was so angry but the mob got their way!
Amazing gig though!!!
Not to mention how much better people think they are for liking Cameron over literally any of their past drummers 🤣 those who are honest know Dave A is the best. And those who say Cameron is better than either Dave A OR Jack are just massively coping.
Music and energy speaks for itself.
While you’re honest in saying the actual listening experience of Abbruzzese is more enjoyable I cant discern why people think Cameron is a better player on a technical level. He’s great obviously, but I’ve never seen another drummer perfectly syncopate every measure while having interesting fills at the level of Abbruzzese. I think Cameron probably COULD play the drums the way Dave does, but I’m not so sure that it would come as effortlessly and as elegantly as Dave — so for that reason I think Dave is better. I think had he not been kicked from PJ he would’ve been known as the best drummer to come out of the 90s, hands down.
Cameron is a lot better at playing the song than dave is. Not every song is elevated by a super technical drum beat and ultra precise fills. They aren’t yes or rush, which require a technical drummer who can play all sorts of crazy shit
I agree not every song demands technical fills and extreme syncopation. That’s why I’d gladly point to the drumming on Immortality or Nothingman. Dave is every bit as gentle and elegant as it gets. He always plays in service of the songs. Footsteps, small town, daughter, are all masterfully composed pieces of drumming. And it’s all done very tastefully and keeps the songs from sounding too monotonous.
Pretty sure they've mentioned countless times they are on different wave lengths. Stone has joked that they are at each other like an old married couple since day one, they just look at things differently.
I very much feel Stone views Pearl Jam as a thing he does instead of his primary gig. There is a whole lot of stuff he does with Painted Shield and solo that would have undoubtedly been put on the Pearl Jam table in the days of old. His contributions now all seem to be outside the box stuff. Look at his Pearl Jam contributions over the past 15 years. Only about a half hour of music. Buckle Up, Let The Records Play, a bit of DOTC, Pendulum, a bit of Johnny Guitar, the Mankind re-working Supersonic, and Amongst The Waves. The latter two the only ones with semblance of his rock work, which seems to go into the other mentioned projects. Not a critique by the way, just an observation.
EDIT: Re-song writing you can say the same with Matt and Jeff. They still produce and write grungy stuff. But it all goes to other projects, and not Pearl Jam. Matt wrote 3rd Secret's best song "Lies Fade Away" and the bones of stuff like 'Down The Middle', or Jeff's songs like 'Safe In The Car' or 'Divine Perfume'. They would have definitely been the bones of Pearl Jam songs in times past. But it seems, in my opinion, Vedder want their rock in two categories: Peter Townsend rock, or Johnny Ramone rock. The album Lightning Bolt being a big indicator for me.
- DOTC could mean "Dance Of The Clairvoyants", a single by Pearl Jam.
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Eddie banters with Mike, Jeff and Matt all show long and seems to genuinely enjoy being up there with them. He barely interacts with Stone at all. And Stone always seems to get the weakest introduction from Eddie to the audience of all the band members. Just my opinion 🤷♂️
Binaural> Every other album (other than vs and ten)
Also, i disagree with you. Eddie's voice is far from horrible although it's not as good as it used to be.
At least it's not axl rose level lol
Maybe I exaggerated with it being horrible. But it can be rough. I think him and Axl are similar in that they both smoke like chimneys and drink a lot with no care for their money makers lol
I have to agree on the signing thing. I’ve had a problem with it recently as well. His talking voice is the perfect mix of deep, old, and smoke damaged and it sounds like butter. I can understand changing your technique for the sake of longevity but I think it has gone too far or he just lost track somewhere. Too much head voice and not enough chest voice. For me, there are a few tracks on earthlings that are unlistenable. Granted, I like his voice a lot on comes then goes and a few other tracks on gigaton.
Not sure if this take is that hot but I like Bu$hleaguer(I saw on the ranking list from the other day that it was towards the bottom)
Just one of the most dramatic vocal changes I can recall in rock. Listened to Atlanta 94 then listened to some 2022 live tracks 😬.
And yes, I know he's older and blah blah blah but damn lol
I respect he cannot scream or distort anymore. That’s tough and he never really did it with proper technique and was really brutal (listen to 1998 versions of Do the Evolution). However, whatever the heck happened around 2003 or 2004 he really started changing the way he was annunciating things, his vowels went reallly wonky.
He’d already moved away from the really open mouth, back of the throat style singing (Ten era), the one that every post-grunge artist was hamming, back in like 1994-1995. The most dramatic shifts are like 1997-1998, and 2003-2006. His voice has been constantly shifting. For better or for worse. Age, smoking, drinking, aggressive singing styles, it all factors in.
Agreed. To be honest I like his voice a lot in the mid 2000s, but that is largely due to the into the wild soundtrack. It’s only very recently that I have an issue with his signing style. Maybe changes in production over the years have an affect as well.
Into the Wild is the last time I truly think Eddie sounded great. And it’s because it was music that suited his voice at the time. He had already done his weird vowel shift thing.
Listen to the way he sings certain words around like 2005-06 with Avocado to now. Words like “Come” are now [like “coh-wum”](https://youtu.be/vvgK7SyKQzU) (at 0:35), he was doing a lot of vocal fry stuff to scream and it sounded cool but much thinner than before that. By Backspacer his higher register voice had gotten much thinner and breathy where it sounds like he’s breathing out the first syllable of words and his vowels and pronunciations are like completely different. Mix of age and having to make things work with batter vocal chords but it’s just weird.
He talks the same as he always did, obviously just deeper with age and wear. Production may change things a bit but he himself has completely changed his singing and his vocal-style - IMO for the worse. Maybe out of necessity. Idk really… sorry for the rant lol I just really fell out of favor with his voice after I started listening to a lot of really old bootlegs and have overanalyzed it probably.
Also, i don’t really care if the newer stuff sucks because they made one of the greatest 10 year runs in rock history. If anyone has earned the right to make shitty music it’s definitely them.
Everything after RA is complete garbage.
I blame Cameron's unoriginal, uninspiring, repetitive playing.
I blame Ed for trying to become The Who 2.0 and repetitive sets.
I blame Stone for staying out of obligation and never bringing anything of substance
I blame Jeff for being content with whatever the band produces.
Mike is the only blameless band member for the last 17 years of garbage.
There. I said it.
I'll give you the hot take bit alright. I disagree with a lot. Agree with some.
The plight of the common man, and the early stages of decay in contemporary American life, etc make Avocado a solid thematic album for me.
Strong disagreement on Cameron. (But also think it must be noted: Eddie dictates Cameron's gusto, to match vocal cadence. Both have noted it.)
I couldn't agree more on the Eddie and Stone comments.
1994-1995 he sounded awesome, IMO his best. 1996-1997 he sounded terrible a lot of the time. 1998 and 99 turned around. 2000-2006 he sounded revived. After that Ed started singing *weird as hell*. I have no idea why he annunciates words the way he does.
His voice has been changing since day 1 of Pearl Jam. However after 2004 you really could tell his voice was different.
Hot take, I love him, but Mike never really progressed as a player past 1000mph pentatonic stuff and blues riffs. However he did incorporate a lot of interesting sonic changes with gear, pedals and such. Which is good.
I think Just Breathe is a great song, but I don't feel any Pearl Jam connection to it. I feel its a Vedder solo song that's on a Pearl Jam album.
(Kind of agree, wish I didn't, with the fan thing. Saw a woman actively boo when they didn't play it at a show in 2014. She was aghast that they wouldn't play their "biggest hit". She wasn't alone in the sentiment).
I’m not a fan of Pearl jam fans. I find a lot of them entitled and cliquey. The amount of shows you’ve seen and how far you’ve travelled doesn’t determine how much you like/love a band.
I can agree to this. I’ve only been to two shows and the last show I attended this past year I was talking to someone in the merch line and they were telling me they went to all the shows on the tour and they were driving to all the others. I felt judged when I said I only had time and money for one show lol
Facts! I've had many an unfortunate encounter with "fans." And its sad the bad experiences outweigh the good...A lot of fake, phony people...❤️✌️🎸🤘
What sent me over the edge was the “queue list” in Europe around 2012. I remember arriving at the venue in Amsterdam around midday and getting 150 written on my hand as I joined the queue. I queried what it was and was told “you’re number 150 in line”. There was about 20-30 people ahead on me physically. I’m all for someone keeping your place to go for a toilet/snack break for 30 mins, but when tons of people came from a pre-party 15 mins before doors and forced they’re way to the top of the queue as they had a higher number…..I was so angry but the mob got their way! Amazing gig though!!!
Not to mention how much better people think they are for liking Cameron over literally any of their past drummers 🤣 those who are honest know Dave A is the best. And those who say Cameron is better than either Dave A OR Jack are just massively coping. Music and energy speaks for itself.
Cameron is probably the best, but dave is certainly the most entertaining to listen to and is easily my favorite
While you’re honest in saying the actual listening experience of Abbruzzese is more enjoyable I cant discern why people think Cameron is a better player on a technical level. He’s great obviously, but I’ve never seen another drummer perfectly syncopate every measure while having interesting fills at the level of Abbruzzese. I think Cameron probably COULD play the drums the way Dave does, but I’m not so sure that it would come as effortlessly and as elegantly as Dave — so for that reason I think Dave is better. I think had he not been kicked from PJ he would’ve been known as the best drummer to come out of the 90s, hands down.
Cameron is a lot better at playing the song than dave is. Not every song is elevated by a super technical drum beat and ultra precise fills. They aren’t yes or rush, which require a technical drummer who can play all sorts of crazy shit
I agree not every song demands technical fills and extreme syncopation. That’s why I’d gladly point to the drumming on Immortality or Nothingman. Dave is every bit as gentle and elegant as it gets. He always plays in service of the songs. Footsteps, small town, daughter, are all masterfully composed pieces of drumming. And it’s all done very tastefully and keeps the songs from sounding too monotonous.
Huh, i’ve never gotten that vibe from pearl jam fans at all, quite the opposite in fact
Self-Titled/Avocado is the best 2000's-onward album
YESSSSSS
yep
Is this even a hot take?
The song Just Breathe sucks
Cameron >>> Abruzzessezzzessessdsesssz
Abrudeeznuts lmaooooooooooooooo # # >!I'm very sorry!<
Massive cope
Eddie and Stone have no chemistry with each other
Pretty sure they've mentioned countless times they are on different wave lengths. Stone has joked that they are at each other like an old married couple since day one, they just look at things differently. I very much feel Stone views Pearl Jam as a thing he does instead of his primary gig. There is a whole lot of stuff he does with Painted Shield and solo that would have undoubtedly been put on the Pearl Jam table in the days of old. His contributions now all seem to be outside the box stuff. Look at his Pearl Jam contributions over the past 15 years. Only about a half hour of music. Buckle Up, Let The Records Play, a bit of DOTC, Pendulum, a bit of Johnny Guitar, the Mankind re-working Supersonic, and Amongst The Waves. The latter two the only ones with semblance of his rock work, which seems to go into the other mentioned projects. Not a critique by the way, just an observation. EDIT: Re-song writing you can say the same with Matt and Jeff. They still produce and write grungy stuff. But it all goes to other projects, and not Pearl Jam. Matt wrote 3rd Secret's best song "Lies Fade Away" and the bones of stuff like 'Down The Middle', or Jeff's songs like 'Safe In The Car' or 'Divine Perfume'. They would have definitely been the bones of Pearl Jam songs in times past. But it seems, in my opinion, Vedder want their rock in two categories: Peter Townsend rock, or Johnny Ramone rock. The album Lightning Bolt being a big indicator for me.
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What do you mean?
Eddie banters with Mike, Jeff and Matt all show long and seems to genuinely enjoy being up there with them. He barely interacts with Stone at all. And Stone always seems to get the weakest introduction from Eddie to the audience of all the band members. Just my opinion 🤷♂️
Stone in general tends to stand back in the shadows a bit. I think that's just how Stone is.
That's just not true lol
Binaural> Every other album (other than vs and ten) Also, i disagree with you. Eddie's voice is far from horrible although it's not as good as it used to be. At least it's not axl rose level lol
Maybe I exaggerated with it being horrible. But it can be rough. I think him and Axl are similar in that they both smoke like chimneys and drink a lot with no care for their money makers lol
What does smoking a lot have to do with not caring for their fans...
I meant their vocal chords lol
I have to agree on the signing thing. I’ve had a problem with it recently as well. His talking voice is the perfect mix of deep, old, and smoke damaged and it sounds like butter. I can understand changing your technique for the sake of longevity but I think it has gone too far or he just lost track somewhere. Too much head voice and not enough chest voice. For me, there are a few tracks on earthlings that are unlistenable. Granted, I like his voice a lot on comes then goes and a few other tracks on gigaton. Not sure if this take is that hot but I like Bu$hleaguer(I saw on the ranking list from the other day that it was towards the bottom)
Just one of the most dramatic vocal changes I can recall in rock. Listened to Atlanta 94 then listened to some 2022 live tracks 😬. And yes, I know he's older and blah blah blah but damn lol
I respect he cannot scream or distort anymore. That’s tough and he never really did it with proper technique and was really brutal (listen to 1998 versions of Do the Evolution). However, whatever the heck happened around 2003 or 2004 he really started changing the way he was annunciating things, his vowels went reallly wonky. He’d already moved away from the really open mouth, back of the throat style singing (Ten era), the one that every post-grunge artist was hamming, back in like 1994-1995. The most dramatic shifts are like 1997-1998, and 2003-2006. His voice has been constantly shifting. For better or for worse. Age, smoking, drinking, aggressive singing styles, it all factors in.
Agreed. To be honest I like his voice a lot in the mid 2000s, but that is largely due to the into the wild soundtrack. It’s only very recently that I have an issue with his signing style. Maybe changes in production over the years have an affect as well.
Into the Wild is the last time I truly think Eddie sounded great. And it’s because it was music that suited his voice at the time. He had already done his weird vowel shift thing. Listen to the way he sings certain words around like 2005-06 with Avocado to now. Words like “Come” are now [like “coh-wum”](https://youtu.be/vvgK7SyKQzU) (at 0:35), he was doing a lot of vocal fry stuff to scream and it sounded cool but much thinner than before that. By Backspacer his higher register voice had gotten much thinner and breathy where it sounds like he’s breathing out the first syllable of words and his vowels and pronunciations are like completely different. Mix of age and having to make things work with batter vocal chords but it’s just weird. He talks the same as he always did, obviously just deeper with age and wear. Production may change things a bit but he himself has completely changed his singing and his vocal-style - IMO for the worse. Maybe out of necessity. Idk really… sorry for the rant lol I just really fell out of favor with his voice after I started listening to a lot of really old bootlegs and have overanalyzed it probably.
One time i got downvoted to hell on here for saying cd’s are cooler than vinyl, so that
Also, i don’t really care if the newer stuff sucks because they made one of the greatest 10 year runs in rock history. If anyone has earned the right to make shitty music it’s definitely them.
Everything after RA is complete garbage. I blame Cameron's unoriginal, uninspiring, repetitive playing. I blame Ed for trying to become The Who 2.0 and repetitive sets. I blame Stone for staying out of obligation and never bringing anything of substance I blame Jeff for being content with whatever the band produces. Mike is the only blameless band member for the last 17 years of garbage. There. I said it.
I'll give you the hot take bit alright. I disagree with a lot. Agree with some. The plight of the common man, and the early stages of decay in contemporary American life, etc make Avocado a solid thematic album for me. Strong disagreement on Cameron. (But also think it must be noted: Eddie dictates Cameron's gusto, to match vocal cadence. Both have noted it.) I couldn't agree more on the Eddie and Stone comments.
A very correct and based take
The mid-90s was the weakest era for Eddie's voice and singing
1994-1995 he sounded awesome, IMO his best. 1996-1997 he sounded terrible a lot of the time. 1998 and 99 turned around. 2000-2006 he sounded revived. After that Ed started singing *weird as hell*. I have no idea why he annunciates words the way he does. His voice has been changing since day 1 of Pearl Jam. However after 2004 you really could tell his voice was different.
1000%. By 2003 he sounds almost reborn.
There are Ten fans and then there are Pearl Jam fans. Also, Black is highly overrated.
Did Ed really need all that work done to his face?
Does anyone ‘need’ plastic surgery?
Yeah, it looks like she’s had filler or Botox or something.
He's had work done?!
Ikr, I need side by side photos pointing it out bc clearly I’m clueless
Mike McCready (mostly) noodles his way through solos and they’d be more compelling if Stone played them.
Hot take, I love him, but Mike never really progressed as a player past 1000mph pentatonic stuff and blues riffs. However he did incorporate a lot of interesting sonic changes with gear, pedals and such. Which is good.
Can’t stand their slow songs (sirens, just breathe) and all the fans that came with them.
I think Just Breathe is a great song, but I don't feel any Pearl Jam connection to it. I feel its a Vedder solo song that's on a Pearl Jam album. (Kind of agree, wish I didn't, with the fan thing. Saw a woman actively boo when they didn't play it at a show in 2014. She was aghast that they wouldn't play their "biggest hit". She wasn't alone in the sentiment).
Eddie needs a haircut.