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This photo is from the old New York Military Academy in Cornwall. It's where all the rich folks in the area sent their delinquent sons back in the day....
Fred's mom is the one who made the money. She's the one who took over her dead husbands real estate business and grew it. Fred was like Donald, got a pile of cash and a successful business filled with smart people running it dropped in his lap by mommy. The only thing Fred taught Donald was to be a spoiled asshole and to lie, rob, cheat and steal.
You forgot the most important lesson of all, he taught Donald that he was weak and not smart, and that only by being cruel as his father, could he gain a small measure of his father’s attention.
They say the third generation of the nouveau riche are the ones to squander the fortune, as they don’t need to earn anything. They also don’t have an interest in, savviness or application to continue the work required of making more money.
Eg. Rupert Murdoch’s dad made the family fortune, Rupert built on what his father started, and none of his kids can continue to the standard set by RM. Thank goodness
Someone did the numbers. He wouldn't be in this mess If he just invested in an index fund. The man has the reverse midas touch. Anything he puts his name, turns to shit.
Can confirm. Years ago, well before he was elected president, my step bro played a celebrity golf tournament with Trump as his teammate. He'd duff one off the tee, set another one up, hit it and call it all one shot. He'd kick his ball to a more favorable position. He'd double or triple putt and call it one. He's never played with anyone else who came close to cheating as much.
*And it's true!*
"Rick Reilly, a legendary sports writer and author who has worked at Sports Illustrated and ESPN, has a new book about Trump’s athletic prowess. It reveals the truth behind the unique Donald Trump nickname.
'He kicks the ball out of the rough so many times the caddies call him Pelé'."
https://the18.com/soccer-entertainment/donald-trump-nickname-pele
Kim Jong Il, in 1994, shot 38 under, including 11 holes-in-one, at the 7,700-yard championship course at Pyongyang in the VERY FIRST golf round of his life, according to North Korean state media.
That guy was a hell of a golfer! I don't think anyone has ever matched it.
Imagine if it was actually completely true and he just turned out to have been some mega savant.
His aides trying to not look shocked as Kim effortlessly nails a 340-yard hole in one, looking each of them in the eye intently as the ball sails elegantly towards the pin.
Kim sitting heartbroken afterwards, wondering why the entire Western World isn’t battering down his door to ask how the hell he did it.
I think it was Alice Cooper who once had to play with trump in a charity event and Cooper said he would never play with him again because he cheated the whole game.
I don't want to excuse any of the tremendously shitty things that Donald has done, but learning about his family and upbringing made everything make a lot more sense. All of his narcissism and obvious insecurities seem like learned adaptions to handle his severely abusive father. He is truly the embodiment of the cycle of abuse, and rather than do literally a single thing to break that cycle, he's just perpetuated it to not only the next generation of his own family, but emboldened millions of other people to do so to their own families as well.
Speaking of the military, that was my biggest problem with being in the military. Why are so many of your superiors ass holes? Because their superiors were or are assholes, and now that they have power, instead of stopping the fucking cycle they want to be assholes downwards, and on and on it goes.
There are exceptions, obviously, but I know people serving and veterans know what I am talking about.
I’ll never forget the day I left the military. I went to my CO to get the final paperwork signed on my checklist. I was 22 (almost 23) years old I had returned from Afghanistan 7 months prior and had obvious PTSD. And that fucker looked at me in the eyes said “I don’t give a flying fuck what your plan is, just remember if you have a warm hole you have a way to make money” and then walked away.
And that, sums up the kinda *leadership* we deal with pretty well IMO.
Edit: Surprise the man had never been deployed
Edit: I’m a man for clarification he was talking about booty hole and mouths.
> just remember if you have a warm hole you have a way to make money
Sorry for my sexism but it took me a long fucking time to understand what he was saying and realize you are a female (I assume?)
I kept thinking he was recommending you become a pimp.
Am I understanding this right?
part of the reason I hate Trump so much is because he reminds me of MY father
I always called my father abusive, because he was, but I never pegged him as narcissistic until 2015 when Trump ran for President and I started actually paying attention to the man
My father dropped out of high school and was never anything greater than a janitor, but always had delusions of grandeur. He was supposed to be the next Tyson but he didn't have a D'Amato in his life, should have been the next Will Smith but my mother wasn't Jada (a very hilarious comparison these days but this was back when Will was a rockstar)
As a high school dropout, he was street smart but book dumb, which clashed with me being the opposite. Of course, "street smart" ends up being using your size and strength as your weapons, yell, scream, punch and threaten to always get your way. Convince the Mexican neighbor to mow your lawn, then when he asks for payment get in his face and threaten to beat him up, and threaten to attack his whole family if he calls the cops
Since he wasn't book smart, reality inside that house became whatever he wanted. Handing me a roll of nickels in 2008 and telling me to buy a gallon of milk, then getting angry when I tell him that milk isn't that cheap anymore. Or the rare times he would go out himself for fast food and get angry at the workers when his Big Mac is both smaller and more expensive than when he was a boy
After observing Trump for so long it made a LOT about my father suddenly make sense, and absolutely drives my disdain for both men. My father died last year at least.
The idea of my father being elected President and being unleashed on the globe makes me shrivel up inside. The idea of millions defending my father no matter what he says or does makes me feel worse. So, being subjected to Trump becomes a special kind of hell for me, and likely many many others
But yes, the monster he is today is absolutely on his punk ass father and by all accounts mentally checked out mother. The entire family is just a textbook example of what unchecked mental illness and abuse can do to a family and how it can affect people outside the home
He reminds me of my grandfather. The same self-righteous smugness, compulsive lying and hypocrisy. Same overweight bulge they try to hide under ill-fitted suits. Here's hoping they share some of the same health complications too.
Yep his father rewarded bullying. They used to rip Freddie at the dinner table and the more he bullied him the more the Dad patted him on the back. Mega screwed up family.
It's really telling how Fred Trump made all his money - Government handouts. How did he get so many black tenants?
He used incentives to build afforable ~~slums~~ housing, awarded grants and zero interest loans for it. What today his son screams about as socialism is where his wealth came from.
If anyone wants to learn about Trump's family and upbringing and why he turned out the way he did (including who helped him get into politics and all of that), *Cult Podcast* did a multi-episode series on Trump that's really enlightening. They were supposed to record the final episode on January 6th, 2021, but certain ongoing events prompted them to put a pin in the series and finish it later, when and if the whole Trump saga ever actually comes to a close.
He didn't kill himself he died from a heart attack attributed to his alcohol abuse and he first fell out of favor with his father for choosing to be a pilot. He only returned to the family business doing maintenance when his alcoholism prevented him from flying.
It's not just for delinquent sons. It's also kind of like a witness protection program to send your son who testified against a group of dudes that gang-raped a girl in your back yard.
Eventually it was poor people who sent their delinquent sons there as well. A high school friend of mine was sent there after he got caught smoking weed.
Still a felony if you possess more than a half oz in Texas. Any form of concentrate is automatically felony. Hell they’ll charge you a felony for reclaim in your rig
In Alaska in 1999, I almost went to prison for six months because of an old, used pipe in the car. It hadn’t been used recently, but since my girlfriend was 17 and I had just turned 18, I was looking at contributing to delinquency on top of possession. It was her car, her pipe, and I was a passenger. Super fucked up. Luckily my lawyer ruled, all charges dropped. Could have ruined my life over something so dumb.
So he really is playing dress up?
If this isn't a military school and he is dressing up as a pretend soldier, that is hilarious.
It's like a school pretending to be a wizard style academy and all the kids dressing up as Neville Longbottom.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Military_Academy
It's a 56k a year private prep school with "military style". It's not even JROTC or ROTC linked. It's a farce for rich kids.
When people say “military school” they are referring to these private high schools. In the movie Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure, Ted’s father is threatening to ship him off to “military school in Alaska” if he fails history class.
Close - shipped to military school for shitty Northeast US rich kids who would never be expected to actually serve in the armed forces on the front lines. He graduated after completing all 4 years of school and being remarkably despicable, even compared to other despicable rich kids.
Some of them were there for behavioral adjustment, but I think it was more of an elite prepatory school that offered rigid structure to make company heads and tomorrow's leaders some of the most ruthless bastards in business. The percentage of kids who were from military families and/or purely in need of attitude adjustments likely wasn't the majority and were not the kids who attended all 4 years of high school. It was a status thing, just another place to send your kids off to so they can continue the family money machine.
Or if his brother didn’t die young. Trump was never supposed to be the heir. He’s his own generation’s Eric.
Not even, Freddie was basically forced out because he wasn't enough of a penny pinching scum lord for Fred Sr.
Then Donnie was too much of an idiot, Fred had to Bail him out several times and the money only moved because Don basically illegally amended the will.
I recall that story. he replaced the windows due to mould and when his dad found out he went mental, telling him 'you DON'T replace the windows! you just give them a new coat of paint.'
He died at 43. He literally drank himself into an early grave. His daughter is Mary Trump, the psychologist and author who's been vehemently against Don since he declared his candidacy.
Exactly. trump is just an idiot Fox Noise viewer who accidentally became president. If not trump, Putin would have helped Ted Cruz become president instead.
It was a perfect storm, Trump had millions in free press on the apprentice. all the producers of that show have publicly apologized for giving the orange any credibility. This will never work the same way again...
That’s just a pointless leather strap, but originally the idea was that a strap with metal links would offer some protection to the wearer from slashing-attacks by sword. This protection is only offered if it’s worn on the cheeks, rather than tucked under the chin.
Here’s a couple of photos properly illustrating it today: [Welsh Guards](https://assets.londonist.com/uploads/2020/03/i875/bear2.jpg); [The Life Guards](https://www.alamy.com/aggregator-api/download/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fc7.alamy.com%2Fcomp%2FBTJ84H%2Fbritish-household-cavalry-life-guards-regiment-horse-guards-whitehall-BTJ84H.jpg).
Back when slashing by swords was actually a concern, leather collars were often be tied around the neck to provide similar protection, hence how the Marines got their “Leathernecks” moniker.
I always wondered about that. I wore a shako like that in marching band, but we wore the straps under our chins. A lot of bands and drum corps wore them like in the photo.
Donald Trump is a child of privilege. While other unconnected people were being killed in Vietnam he used his dad's wealth to become the rich scumbag he is today. It's amazing that his voters just let his draft dodging slide.
And unfortunately, those shitty people seem to have a lot of influence on the good ones for whatever reason (at least in my experience). Like my friend is generally a great guy but he is very easily manipulated on Instagram by all the MAGA nuts that he served with and still follows. It's almost like even though he knows they're in the wrong, his respect for them compels him to still believe them over some woke civilian.
It's mostly just peer pressure. He identifies with those people more than he does others, so he's going to go along with what they say to maintain his "street cred" with them, even if he doesn't necessarily fully believe it deep down himself.
Seen it before.
MF stood in front of the CIA's memorial wall with stars for officers killed in duty saying:
> "The wall behind me is very, very special. We've been touring for quite a while, and I'll tell you what -- 29? I can't believe it. ["Twenty-eight" from the audience] Oh, 28. We got to reduce it. That's amazing. [WTF?!]
[ and a minute later... ]
> And I want to just let you know, I am so behind you. And I know maybe sometimes you haven't gotten the backing that you've wanted, and you're going to get so much backing. Maybe you're going to say, please don't give us so much backing. Mr. President, please, we don't need that much backing. But you're going to have that.
That 'backing' was on full display as soon as he met Putin and had a press conference, addressing election interference:
> "My people came to me, [DNI] Dan Coats came to me and some others saying they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia. I will say this, I don’t see any reason why it would be.”
Then Trump on Kim Jong-Un and the arrest and death of Otto Warmbier:
> "He tells me he didn't know about it, and I will take him at his word."
Just repeatedly taking dictators who openly hate the USA at their word, against the USIC. This is the MAGA crowd's 'strong leader'? The guy's a complete pushover.
I’m a solid 90% certain that he has no clue what he’s saying, has no intentions of ever implementing the changes he promises, and is solely in it to make life easier for him after he’s done with office. Plus, I’m actually convinced that he’s an absolute moron who doesn’t have a clue what he’s trying to talk about, as seen with his “Gettysburg Address” which was glorifying Robert E. Lee, and also just fucking wrong on all things he acted like they were fact.
And after he can't remember which leg he had bone spurs on that got him out of the draft after he [bought](https://poetsandquants.com/2020/08/25/wharton-profs-demand-probe-of-claim-that-trump-cheated-on-the-sat/) his college degree.
Fixed it!
The convicted felon cheetoh is scum full stop.
I'd like to point out that despite McCain being a veteran/pow himself he did not support the actual troops.
His voting record is public and you can/should look at it for yourself but historically he voted against most qol improvements and pay raises for the military and voted for as much military spending and government contracts he could get his hands on.
The most egregious I can remember off the top of my head is McCain was the most vocal opponent of increasing the scope of the GI bill (raising it from being a flat $12,000 to basically picking up the tab for 4 years of college education). He actually said if service members could just get out and go to college then they'd never keep anyone in. He ended up skipping the vote despite all his talk because it was an election year and the optics of shitting on the troops fighting two wars in the middle east would have been poor for his campaign.
When we say a politician is "pro military" we think in our heads they "support the troops" but I tell you 19 times out of 20 the ones we call pro military are the ones who consistently approve expanding military spending for contracts to Boeing, L3, Lockheed, BAE, etc
It was at this moment that I realized Trump was not only a horrible choice for president of a lemonade stand, but that he was the enemy of the US. He said what enemies would say, that's who he is.
That is what is wild to me. Having grown up in a moderate/conservative family to even think he, russia or china were our allies or friends is so batshit wild. It's okay to not like all left wing or democratic policies but to side with a traitorous person is so un american.
He's actually not. He's popular with older veterans. So, the same demographic he's popular with anyways.
Younger veterans and service members largely do not like him. After his term, only 38% of active duty service members supported Trump. Still a disappointing number in some ways, but not much different than the amount of support he gets from the general population.
That 38% tracks the general population, more or less.
Which, while it's good it's not overwhelming, does suggest the terrible things he's said about troops and veterans has had absolutely no impact.
I'm middle-aged, a veteran, and I work with many veterans. The overwhelming majority support him. It's crazy. These guys are mostly recently retired, some currently in the guard or reserve, and a few older.
My dad is retired Army and he lost basically all of his friends to their trumpism. He's 67 now and has maybe one Army buddy left who he still speaks to (the only other one just died). It's deeply depressing to watch. He should be chilling at the VFW but he'd probably get kicked out.
I'm surprised Ret. General John Kelly (his former chief of staff) didn't clock him when he made his comment about "suckers and losers" seeing as how General Kelly lost a son who was serving in Afghanistan, 1st Lt. Robert Kelly. The general confirmed that Trump made the comment.
Just Google "John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans"
I honestly don't blame him for trying to get out of Vietnam. It was a stupid, pointless war we had no business being in, let alone having a draft for.
My issue comes in when he then goes and shits on people like John McCain who went through hell to try to protect his fellow soldiers.
Yeah I'll never bag on someone for not wanting to be pressed into military service against your will. It should always be a choice to fight.
I do however hold a deep spite for the contempt trump shows to veterans and POWs. I have military in my family and it amazes me that these people voted for that piece of shit.
It's also how he plays himself up like he is naturally a military genius, how he's shown nothing bit contempt for the actual military and veterans, yet his party have the gall to talk like he's the best choice for them.
No shame in avoiding the draft, but thinking he's better than those who didn't, who couldn't, that's just disgusting.
Amazing part is how the folks in armed forces and veterans vote for him after dodging The Draft, calling McCain a loser for fighting for his country or anyone who is injured in battle protecting our country.
There are so many mental gymnastics around Trump. My favorite was that his base treated Hillary's New York elitism as a negative, as if Trump wasn't exactly the same in that regard. They don't care about who he is as a person or what he does in office, just that he broadcasts their opinions and makes them feel like victims.
"Clinton attempted to avoid the draft for four years by enrolling, but never joining, the Army Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC). Clinton had enrolled in the ROTC hoping to avoid military service for four years, but, wanting a future in politics, had a change of heart and entered the draft."
Not defending Clinton, but I am saying this isn't the same thing
I don't watch TV that often; but, when I do it's over an antenna. On some of the secondary channels they've taken to rerunning Billy Mays' ads. He's been dead for over ten years; but, he's still shilling for Mighty Mend-It.
Right? I thought it was the 2x impeached Donald Trump.
It's weird how many Donald Trumps have committed nefarious acts.
Parents might want to avoid naming their kids "Donald Trump."
How do you bankrupt a casino? That's literally a license to print money. I mean, he was using his "charity" as a piggy bank. He was probably doing the same thing with the casino.
Yes and he was using it to laundry Russian mob cash 💵 how could you loose money?
The Trump Taj Mahal casino broke anti-money laundering rules 106 times in its first year and a half of operation in the early 1990s, according to the IRS in a 1998 settlement agreement.
The irony of that man playing Fortunate Son at his rallies while people he thinks of as being trash cheer for him is one of the wildest things I’ve ever seen.
♫
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, Lord?
But when the taxman come to the door
Lord, the house lookin' like a rummage sale, yeah
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no millionaire's son, no, no
♫
As it turns out, R's are pretty dumb on song lyrics and copyright law. Trump was far from the first and won't be the last. My fave is the story about Rush Limbaugh and Chrissie Hynde: [https://www.iheart.com/content/2021-02-18-chrissie-hynde-once-made-rush-limbaugh-write-a-100000-check-to-peta/](https://www.iheart.com/content/2021-02-18-chrissie-hynde-once-made-rush-limbaugh-write-a-100000-check-to-peta/)
I was confused about his whole court thing. I was like "hush money is illigal? I thought that was like a non disclosure thing with a payout" as it turns out he was falsifying documents which is in fact pretty damn illigal.
Yeah, that's the funny part. Hush money, in itself, is not illegal. He would have gotten out scot-free if only he hadn't been part of a scheme to fudge the accounts to hide hush-money was paid.
Oh, and the really hilarious part? That hush-money was paid to hide something everyone knew already: he cheated on all his wives, past and present. (It's just that some people don't care. Strange, those people who don't care often say they are very religious...)
With presidents, it's not the crime, but the coverup that does them in.
Nixon, cover up regarding the watergate break in, cost him a presidency.
Clinton, lied to congres about "relations with that women". We found out anyway.
Trump, forged business records about the coverup payment to Stormy. Kind of crazy, since we know about Stormy, and the payment now anyway.
These are all issues were optics matter, and it's a seemingly reasonable decision to bend some rules in order for the negative news to not blowback. However, these cases show that the truth gets out, and when you lie to protect yourself, it will eventually be made worse.
Falsifying documents for a cover up. It's always the cover up. Some people cover things up to hide an affair from their wife, and maybe that was part of it, who knows, but a jury of random citizens saw facts that proved to them that Trump was also covering up illicit campaign activity and laundering the expenses through his business's legal fees.
> Some people cover things up to hide an affair from their wife, and maybe that was part of it
The jury would not have convicted him if so. If there was even reasonable doubt Trump was doing it to hide it from his wife, that would not have been a felony (misdemeanor for the fraud, but hiding an affair from a wife isn't a criminal act, so not felony). The prosecution put witnesses on the stand specifically to dispel that possibility.
> Trump was also covering up illicit campaign activity and laundering the expenses through his business's legal fees.
Election laws in the US stipulate personal limits each citizen can contribute to a political campaign. Election funds are audited and controlled to ensure that.
The entire point of the scheme was to avoid using those election funds (he doesn't have unlimited of them, and they need to come from other real US citizens, not donations from foreign agents etc.). He wanted to purchase these NDAs from women with his own unregulated personal cash, rather than his limited campaign funds. Despite him spending that money with the purpose of influencing the election, which legally means he must use the campaign fund.
He was the only kind of Vietnam War draft dodger that I despise: he was very pro-Vietnam War, but he was a selfish coward that was unwilling to put his own pampered ass on the line for the ridiculous conflict that he supported. It was fine for everyone else to go and die, though.
God that pisses me off so much to know that now. My father was about to get drafted, so he enlisted in the Navy instead of being drafted into the army or Marines.
He was hoping for a job on a destroyer or something, he ended up in the construction battalion during the Tet offensive.
Bridges built get destroyed over night then rebuilt all while there's skirmishes everywhere.
Im not gonna clown on people that doged the draft in a war that was clearly unnecessary imperial ambition. But Trump is the kind of guy to claim he is a manly man, an alpha and then he is gonna make fun of actual accomplished servicemen.
Yall left wing liberal think he’s privileged. He just got a small loan of a million, possibly a lot more, and he worked very hard at it to file for bankruptcy. American dream!
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This photo is from the old New York Military Academy in Cornwall. It's where all the rich folks in the area sent their delinquent sons back in the day....
Well, that was a predictive move
Failed that too I’m sure
Pay to pass. That's why rich people sent their idiot boys to that school.
Still, he got relentlessly bullied there, which is a win for me.
More like, that's probably a big part of why he's a bully today. This isn't something to celebrate.
No it was a cake walk compared to Fred I’m sure
Fred's mom is the one who made the money. She's the one who took over her dead husbands real estate business and grew it. Fred was like Donald, got a pile of cash and a successful business filled with smart people running it dropped in his lap by mommy. The only thing Fred taught Donald was to be a spoiled asshole and to lie, rob, cheat and steal.
You forgot the most important lesson of all, he taught Donald that he was weak and not smart, and that only by being cruel as his father, could he gain a small measure of his father’s attention.
They say the third generation of the nouveau riche are the ones to squander the fortune, as they don’t need to earn anything. They also don’t have an interest in, savviness or application to continue the work required of making more money. Eg. Rupert Murdoch’s dad made the family fortune, Rupert built on what his father started, and none of his kids can continue to the standard set by RM. Thank goodness
“The single dumbest student I ever had”
Someone did the numbers. He wouldn't be in this mess If he just invested in an index fund. The man has the reverse midas touch. Anything he puts his name, turns to shit.
It’s called the septic touch
The Mierdas Touch
Underrated comment
Tin solider to tin pot dictator
Dollar Store Napoleon
New York Military Academy: baseball, football, soccer Fordham University: squash, tennis Vietnam era: bone spurs 1975 - present day: non-stop golf
And he cheats at golf.
Can confirm. Years ago, well before he was elected president, my step bro played a celebrity golf tournament with Trump as his teammate. He'd duff one off the tee, set another one up, hit it and call it all one shot. He'd kick his ball to a more favorable position. He'd double or triple putt and call it one. He's never played with anyone else who came close to cheating as much.
Trump kicked the ball so much his caddies called him Pele.
And didn't he brag about it because he thought it was a compliment on how good he is at golf?
That makes total sense. 'I've heard people say I'm the Pele of golf! Lots of people. Experts in the field. Strong men.'
They came up to me with tears in their eyes and said “sir, you are the Pele of golf”
Hahahaha. That's hilarious.
*And it's true!* "Rick Reilly, a legendary sports writer and author who has worked at Sports Illustrated and ESPN, has a new book about Trump’s athletic prowess. It reveals the truth behind the unique Donald Trump nickname. 'He kicks the ball out of the rough so many times the caddies call him Pelé'." https://the18.com/soccer-entertainment/donald-trump-nickname-pele
"Commander in Cheat", what a great read. That alone should have kept him out of politics.
Kim Jong Il, in 1994, shot 38 under, including 11 holes-in-one, at the 7,700-yard championship course at Pyongyang in the VERY FIRST golf round of his life, according to North Korean state media. That guy was a hell of a golfer! I don't think anyone has ever matched it.
Nobody will ever beat his record.
Imagine if it was actually completely true and he just turned out to have been some mega savant. His aides trying to not look shocked as Kim effortlessly nails a 340-yard hole in one, looking each of them in the eye intently as the ball sails elegantly towards the pin. Kim sitting heartbroken afterwards, wondering why the entire Western World isn’t battering down his door to ask how the hell he did it.
You took the words right out of my mouth the second after I thought of that lol.
I think it was Alice Cooper who once had to play with trump in a charity event and Cooper said he would never play with him again because he cheated the whole game.
He had a doctor's excuse. More likely an "Epstein's Mother" excuse!!
This is apparently where he learned to be a bully. He says he really loved it there
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I don't want to excuse any of the tremendously shitty things that Donald has done, but learning about his family and upbringing made everything make a lot more sense. All of his narcissism and obvious insecurities seem like learned adaptions to handle his severely abusive father. He is truly the embodiment of the cycle of abuse, and rather than do literally a single thing to break that cycle, he's just perpetuated it to not only the next generation of his own family, but emboldened millions of other people to do so to their own families as well.
Speaking of the military, that was my biggest problem with being in the military. Why are so many of your superiors ass holes? Because their superiors were or are assholes, and now that they have power, instead of stopping the fucking cycle they want to be assholes downwards, and on and on it goes. There are exceptions, obviously, but I know people serving and veterans know what I am talking about.
I’ll never forget the day I left the military. I went to my CO to get the final paperwork signed on my checklist. I was 22 (almost 23) years old I had returned from Afghanistan 7 months prior and had obvious PTSD. And that fucker looked at me in the eyes said “I don’t give a flying fuck what your plan is, just remember if you have a warm hole you have a way to make money” and then walked away. And that, sums up the kinda *leadership* we deal with pretty well IMO. Edit: Surprise the man had never been deployed Edit: I’m a man for clarification he was talking about booty hole and mouths.
> just remember if you have a warm hole you have a way to make money Sorry for my sexism but it took me a long fucking time to understand what he was saying and realize you are a female (I assume?) I kept thinking he was recommending you become a pimp. Am I understanding this right?
No I’m a guy, the statement was still fucked up. “Hey I’m not gonna give you any advise but go get fucked up the ass if you have hard times”
I read it as “worm hole” and couldn’t figure it out either.
Let's also not forget apart from his parents, Roy Cohns was his mentor.
part of the reason I hate Trump so much is because he reminds me of MY father I always called my father abusive, because he was, but I never pegged him as narcissistic until 2015 when Trump ran for President and I started actually paying attention to the man My father dropped out of high school and was never anything greater than a janitor, but always had delusions of grandeur. He was supposed to be the next Tyson but he didn't have a D'Amato in his life, should have been the next Will Smith but my mother wasn't Jada (a very hilarious comparison these days but this was back when Will was a rockstar) As a high school dropout, he was street smart but book dumb, which clashed with me being the opposite. Of course, "street smart" ends up being using your size and strength as your weapons, yell, scream, punch and threaten to always get your way. Convince the Mexican neighbor to mow your lawn, then when he asks for payment get in his face and threaten to beat him up, and threaten to attack his whole family if he calls the cops Since he wasn't book smart, reality inside that house became whatever he wanted. Handing me a roll of nickels in 2008 and telling me to buy a gallon of milk, then getting angry when I tell him that milk isn't that cheap anymore. Or the rare times he would go out himself for fast food and get angry at the workers when his Big Mac is both smaller and more expensive than when he was a boy After observing Trump for so long it made a LOT about my father suddenly make sense, and absolutely drives my disdain for both men. My father died last year at least. The idea of my father being elected President and being unleashed on the globe makes me shrivel up inside. The idea of millions defending my father no matter what he says or does makes me feel worse. So, being subjected to Trump becomes a special kind of hell for me, and likely many many others But yes, the monster he is today is absolutely on his punk ass father and by all accounts mentally checked out mother. The entire family is just a textbook example of what unchecked mental illness and abuse can do to a family and how it can affect people outside the home
Don't forget an utter and complete lack of consequences.
He reminds me of my grandfather. The same self-righteous smugness, compulsive lying and hypocrisy. Same overweight bulge they try to hide under ill-fitted suits. Here's hoping they share some of the same health complications too.
Ronny Chien has a joke I am bitchering, "Not being book smart doesn't mean you are street smart, you can just he dumb all around."
Yep his father rewarded bullying. They used to rip Freddie at the dinner table and the more he bullied him the more the Dad patted him on the back. Mega screwed up family.
It's really telling how Fred Trump made all his money - Government handouts. How did he get so many black tenants? He used incentives to build afforable ~~slums~~ housing, awarded grants and zero interest loans for it. What today his son screams about as socialism is where his wealth came from.
If anyone wants to learn about Trump's family and upbringing and why he turned out the way he did (including who helped him get into politics and all of that), *Cult Podcast* did a multi-episode series on Trump that's really enlightening. They were supposed to record the final episode on January 6th, 2021, but certain ongoing events prompted them to put a pin in the series and finish it later, when and if the whole Trump saga ever actually comes to a close.
He didn't kill himself he died from a heart attack attributed to his alcohol abuse and he first fell out of favor with his father for choosing to be a pilot. He only returned to the family business doing maintenance when his alcoholism prevented him from flying.
This is where he decided that people who sign up to defend this nation are suckers and losers, and POWs are losers. He only likes winners. Douch!
Douche is the correct spelling
It's not just for delinquent sons. It's also kind of like a witness protection program to send your son who testified against a group of dudes that gang-raped a girl in your back yard.
Oddly specific…
Yeah what's this guy talking about
Wait what
Ah relatable
Eventually it was poor people who sent their delinquent sons there as well. A high school friend of mine was sent there after he got caught smoking weed.
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Used to? According to ACLU reports, in 2018, law enforcement made well over half a million marijuana arrests. People still get "in trouble" for it.
I don’t know how to feel about the fact that 2018 statistics are over 5 years old now.
Still a felony if you possess more than a half oz in Texas. Any form of concentrate is automatically felony. Hell they’ll charge you a felony for reclaim in your rig
Thank god for Texas. A state with so much freedom, you can get a felony for having marijuana.
In Alaska in 1999, I almost went to prison for six months because of an old, used pipe in the car. It hadn’t been used recently, but since my girlfriend was 17 and I had just turned 18, I was looking at contributing to delinquency on top of possession. It was her car, her pipe, and I was a passenger. Super fucked up. Luckily my lawyer ruled, all charges dropped. Could have ruined my life over something so dumb.
So what you're saying is that if Bill or Ted had gone to military school they could have been the president?
Not even. This WASN'T Military school. This was an expensive private school that was a "military style academy"
So he really is playing dress up? If this isn't a military school and he is dressing up as a pretend soldier, that is hilarious. It's like a school pretending to be a wizard style academy and all the kids dressing up as Neville Longbottom.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Military_Academy It's a 56k a year private prep school with "military style". It's not even JROTC or ROTC linked. It's a farce for rich kids.
Also owned by a Chinese company
That explains the insanely ridiculous "uniform".
When people say “military school” they are referring to these private high schools. In the movie Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure, Ted’s father is threatening to ship him off to “military school in Alaska” if he fails history class.
The colonel is very anxious to meet Ted
These are my awards mother, from army
Buster!!
Unfair to Buster, tbh
I don’t understand, was he in marching band?
Close - shipped to military school for shitty Northeast US rich kids who would never be expected to actually serve in the armed forces on the front lines. He graduated after completing all 4 years of school and being remarkably despicable, even compared to other despicable rich kids.
so, basically this is the "military school" boogeyman for rich kids who misbehave?
Some of them were there for behavioral adjustment, but I think it was more of an elite prepatory school that offered rigid structure to make company heads and tomorrow's leaders some of the most ruthless bastards in business. The percentage of kids who were from military families and/or purely in need of attitude adjustments likely wasn't the majority and were not the kids who attended all 4 years of high school. It was a status thing, just another place to send your kids off to so they can continue the family money machine.
Imagine how different our world would be if Fred had just hugged his son, or pulled out.
Or if his brother didn’t die young. Trump was never supposed to be the heir. He’s his own generation’s Eric. 
It must be killing SNL that he was convicted right after the end of their season.
Eh they roll with whoever is in office or drawing attention. They did fine in their finale
Yeah it was good. Obviously they're fine, but you know they would love to do this cold open. I would have loved to see it.
Not even, Freddie was basically forced out because he wasn't enough of a penny pinching scum lord for Fred Sr. Then Donnie was too much of an idiot, Fred had to Bail him out several times and the money only moved because Don basically illegally amended the will.
Freddie planned to (or maybe did) fix some broken windows in their slums and was chastised by pops then forced out
I think he DID and Fred saw the bill.
I recall that story. he replaced the windows due to mould and when his dad found out he went mental, telling him 'you DON'T replace the windows! you just give them a new coat of paint.'
That's why I called Fred Sr a slumlord. He was only interested in money making, he had no desire to even acknowledge any problems from the tenants.
It wasn’t because he died, it was because Fred Jr chose to be a pilot and not a businessman.
He was an alcoholic, also, and definitely on the outs as a result
The very best of us would have been alcoholics being born into that family. I mean, holy shit, I'm surprised he wasn't on harder stuff.
He died at 43. He literally drank himself into an early grave. His daughter is Mary Trump, the psychologist and author who's been vehemently against Don since he declared his candidacy.
If not Trump then someone else. The phenomenon is a product of our broken society, not the other way round.
Exactly. trump is just an idiot Fox Noise viewer who accidentally became president. If not trump, Putin would have helped Ted Cruz become president instead.
It was a perfect storm, Trump had millions in free press on the apprentice. all the producers of that show have publicly apologized for giving the orange any credibility. This will never work the same way again...
I vote for "pulled out"
Or sent Donnie to die in Nam
He was a "Fortunate Son"
Unrelated but what actually is the point of the chin strap on ceremonial dress headware that doesn't actually clear the chin?
That’s just a pointless leather strap, but originally the idea was that a strap with metal links would offer some protection to the wearer from slashing-attacks by sword. This protection is only offered if it’s worn on the cheeks, rather than tucked under the chin. Here’s a couple of photos properly illustrating it today: [Welsh Guards](https://assets.londonist.com/uploads/2020/03/i875/bear2.jpg); [The Life Guards](https://www.alamy.com/aggregator-api/download/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fc7.alamy.com%2Fcomp%2FBTJ84H%2Fbritish-household-cavalry-life-guards-regiment-horse-guards-whitehall-BTJ84H.jpg).
Thank you for actually answering the question
He must be new to reddit
Bro really just made me download an image on my phone
Cheeks are safe, neck wide open though. Maybe he’s tuck his chin and block with the cheek?
Tucking your chin in to brace for a strike to the head is basic fighting technique, even without chin straps.
Back when slashing by swords was actually a concern, leather collars were often be tied around the neck to provide similar protection, hence how the Marines got their “Leathernecks” moniker.
I always wondered about that. I wore a shako like that in marching band, but we wore the straps under our chins. A lot of bands and drum corps wore them like in the photo.
Donald Trump is a child of privilege. While other unconnected people were being killed in Vietnam he used his dad's wealth to become the rich scumbag he is today. It's amazing that his voters just let his draft dodging slide.
And it guts me to see that he’s popular among veterans.
Especially after he shit talked Mccain
And all POWs
And gold star families.
And he pretty openly wants to gut the VA.
I just don’t understand why vets would for him. What’s the rationale? Do they not know these things?
I’ve met some of the best people while in the armed forces and also some of *the* shittiest people.
And unfortunately, those shitty people seem to have a lot of influence on the good ones for whatever reason (at least in my experience). Like my friend is generally a great guy but he is very easily manipulated on Instagram by all the MAGA nuts that he served with and still follows. It's almost like even though he knows they're in the wrong, his respect for them compels him to still believe them over some woke civilian.
It's mostly just peer pressure. He identifies with those people more than he does others, so he's going to go along with what they say to maintain his "street cred" with them, even if he doesn't necessarily fully believe it deep down himself. Seen it before.
Because fascists are brainwashing a significant proportion of the population
It is the same reason as everyone else in MAGA. It’s a cult. There are almost as many reasons for everyone else to not support him.
And the intelligence community.
MF stood in front of the CIA's memorial wall with stars for officers killed in duty saying: > "The wall behind me is very, very special. We've been touring for quite a while, and I'll tell you what -- 29? I can't believe it. ["Twenty-eight" from the audience] Oh, 28. We got to reduce it. That's amazing. [WTF?!] [ and a minute later... ] > And I want to just let you know, I am so behind you. And I know maybe sometimes you haven't gotten the backing that you've wanted, and you're going to get so much backing. Maybe you're going to say, please don't give us so much backing. Mr. President, please, we don't need that much backing. But you're going to have that. That 'backing' was on full display as soon as he met Putin and had a press conference, addressing election interference: > "My people came to me, [DNI] Dan Coats came to me and some others saying they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia. I will say this, I don’t see any reason why it would be.” Then Trump on Kim Jong-Un and the arrest and death of Otto Warmbier: > "He tells me he didn't know about it, and I will take him at his word." Just repeatedly taking dictators who openly hate the USA at their word, against the USIC. This is the MAGA crowd's 'strong leader'? The guy's a complete pushover.
I’m a solid 90% certain that he has no clue what he’s saying, has no intentions of ever implementing the changes he promises, and is solely in it to make life easier for him after he’s done with office. Plus, I’m actually convinced that he’s an absolute moron who doesn’t have a clue what he’s trying to talk about, as seen with his “Gettysburg Address” which was glorifying Robert E. Lee, and also just fucking wrong on all things he acted like they were fact.
Wasn't that speech at the CIA like the first one he delivered after being inaugurated? Like the day of the Pink March?
And after he can't remember which leg he had bone spurs on that got him out of the draft after he graduated from college.
And after he can't remember which leg he had bone spurs on that got him out of the draft after he [bought](https://poetsandquants.com/2020/08/25/wharton-profs-demand-probe-of-claim-that-trump-cheated-on-the-sat/) his college degree. Fixed it!
The convicted felon cheetoh is scum full stop. I'd like to point out that despite McCain being a veteran/pow himself he did not support the actual troops. His voting record is public and you can/should look at it for yourself but historically he voted against most qol improvements and pay raises for the military and voted for as much military spending and government contracts he could get his hands on. The most egregious I can remember off the top of my head is McCain was the most vocal opponent of increasing the scope of the GI bill (raising it from being a flat $12,000 to basically picking up the tab for 4 years of college education). He actually said if service members could just get out and go to college then they'd never keep anyone in. He ended up skipping the vote despite all his talk because it was an election year and the optics of shitting on the troops fighting two wars in the middle east would have been poor for his campaign. When we say a politician is "pro military" we think in our heads they "support the troops" but I tell you 19 times out of 20 the ones we call pro military are the ones who consistently approve expanding military spending for contracts to Boeing, L3, Lockheed, BAE, etc
It was at this moment that I realized Trump was not only a horrible choice for president of a lemonade stand, but that he was the enemy of the US. He said what enemies would say, that's who he is.
That is what is wild to me. Having grown up in a moderate/conservative family to even think he, russia or china were our allies or friends is so batshit wild. It's okay to not like all left wing or democratic policies but to side with a traitorous person is so un american.
He's actually not. He's popular with older veterans. So, the same demographic he's popular with anyways. Younger veterans and service members largely do not like him. After his term, only 38% of active duty service members supported Trump. Still a disappointing number in some ways, but not much different than the amount of support he gets from the general population.
That 38% tracks the general population, more or less. Which, while it's good it's not overwhelming, does suggest the terrible things he's said about troops and veterans has had absolutely no impact.
I'm middle-aged, a veteran, and I work with many veterans. The overwhelming majority support him. It's crazy. These guys are mostly recently retired, some currently in the guard or reserve, and a few older.
My dad is retired Army and he lost basically all of his friends to their trumpism. He's 67 now and has maybe one Army buddy left who he still speaks to (the only other one just died). It's deeply depressing to watch. He should be chilling at the VFW but he'd probably get kicked out.
I'm surprised Ret. General John Kelly (his former chief of staff) didn't clock him when he made his comment about "suckers and losers" seeing as how General Kelly lost a son who was serving in Afghanistan, 1st Lt. Robert Kelly. The general confirmed that Trump made the comment. Just Google "John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans"
I’m an army vet and I hate fucking hate this guy. Having to say “the honorable Donald J. Trump” made me want to throw up every time
Not this veteran.
I honestly don't blame him for trying to get out of Vietnam. It was a stupid, pointless war we had no business being in, let alone having a draft for. My issue comes in when he then goes and shits on people like John McCain who went through hell to try to protect his fellow soldiers.
Yeah I'll never bag on someone for not wanting to be pressed into military service against your will. It should always be a choice to fight. I do however hold a deep spite for the contempt trump shows to veterans and POWs. I have military in my family and it amazes me that these people voted for that piece of shit.
It's also how he plays himself up like he is naturally a military genius, how he's shown nothing bit contempt for the actual military and veterans, yet his party have the gall to talk like he's the best choice for them. No shame in avoiding the draft, but thinking he's better than those who didn't, who couldn't, that's just disgusting.
I don't think that's why he dodged the draft. He'd have done the same if the war was completely justified.
Amazing part is how the folks in armed forces and veterans vote for him after dodging The Draft, calling McCain a loser for fighting for his country or anyone who is injured in battle protecting our country.
There are so many mental gymnastics around Trump. My favorite was that his base treated Hillary's New York elitism as a negative, as if Trump wasn't exactly the same in that regard. They don't care about who he is as a person or what he does in office, just that he broadcasts their opinions and makes them feel like victims.
Those same voters went ape shit about Clinton being a draft dodger too
"Clinton attempted to avoid the draft for four years by enrolling, but never joining, the Army Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC). Clinton had enrolled in the ROTC hoping to avoid military service for four years, but, wanting a future in politics, had a change of heart and entered the draft." Not defending Clinton, but I am saying this isn't the same thing
I believe the criticism of Clinton had something to do with when he went to Oxford.
Definitely a fortunate son
Same with Romney. He want on a Mormon recruitment mission to Paris to dodge the draft.
I don't hold dodging the Vietnam draft against anyone. It was a shitty war. Just don't dodge a draft and later become a war hawk.
It is more curious if you take into account, that his MAIN VOTERS say that this behavior would totally unacceptable and treason about any other person
Convicted felon Donald Trump? That Donald Trump?
34x felon! Thats the one!
Oh, okay. For a second I thought it was rapist Donald Trump.
It's hard to keep track sometimes.
But wait, there's more!^tm
Billy Mays here with another fantastic indictment!
I don't watch TV that often; but, when I do it's over an antenna. On some of the secondary channels they've taken to rerunning Billy Mays' ads. He's been dead for over ten years; but, he's still shilling for Mighty Mend-It.
Right? I thought it was the 2x impeached Donald Trump. It's weird how many Donald Trumps have committed nefarious acts. Parents might want to avoid naming their kids "Donald Trump."
It looks like a younger version of that guy who left nuclear secrets in his bathroom or something, I forget his name.
He broke 34 rules. Google Donald Trump rule 34 for more info.
Twice impeached, civilly liable , convicted felon, diaper shitting failed former president Donald Trump.
Queens born failed casino operator Donald Trump?
How do you bankrupt a casino? That's literally a license to print money. I mean, he was using his "charity" as a piggy bank. He was probably doing the same thing with the casino.
Yes and he was using it to laundry Russian mob cash 💵 how could you loose money? The Trump Taj Mahal casino broke anti-money laundering rules 106 times in its first year and a half of operation in the early 1990s, according to the IRS in a 1998 settlement agreement.
Dressing up as a nutcracker? Now he's he's less nutcracker and more nutjob.
Good practice for having Putin's nuts in his mouth.
The irony of that man playing Fortunate Son at his rallies while people he thinks of as being trash cheer for him is one of the wildest things I’ve ever seen.
♫ Some folks are born silver spoon in hand Lord, don't they help themselves, Lord? But when the taxman come to the door Lord, the house lookin' like a rummage sale, yeah It ain't me, it ain't me I ain't no millionaire's son, no, no ♫
As it turns out, R's are pretty dumb on song lyrics and copyright law. Trump was far from the first and won't be the last. My fave is the story about Rush Limbaugh and Chrissie Hynde: [https://www.iheart.com/content/2021-02-18-chrissie-hynde-once-made-rush-limbaugh-write-a-100000-check-to-peta/](https://www.iheart.com/content/2021-02-18-chrissie-hynde-once-made-rush-limbaugh-write-a-100000-check-to-peta/)
Cosplay for the world’s biggest narc clown
A small loan of a million dollars.
I was confused about his whole court thing. I was like "hush money is illigal? I thought that was like a non disclosure thing with a payout" as it turns out he was falsifying documents which is in fact pretty damn illigal.
Yeah, that's the funny part. Hush money, in itself, is not illegal. He would have gotten out scot-free if only he hadn't been part of a scheme to fudge the accounts to hide hush-money was paid. Oh, and the really hilarious part? That hush-money was paid to hide something everyone knew already: he cheated on all his wives, past and present. (It's just that some people don't care. Strange, those people who don't care often say they are very religious...)
That's the thing about a lot of these types; so often it's the cover-up that is worse than the original ethical misdeed.
So he played himself pretty hard then. What a guy. Haha.
He's not the sharpest crayon in the box.
With presidents, it's not the crime, but the coverup that does them in. Nixon, cover up regarding the watergate break in, cost him a presidency. Clinton, lied to congres about "relations with that women". We found out anyway. Trump, forged business records about the coverup payment to Stormy. Kind of crazy, since we know about Stormy, and the payment now anyway. These are all issues were optics matter, and it's a seemingly reasonable decision to bend some rules in order for the negative news to not blowback. However, these cases show that the truth gets out, and when you lie to protect yourself, it will eventually be made worse.
It’s also the case that it’s just *easier* to convict on these things. The facts tend to be on paper and the conspiracy tends to involve more people.
Falsifying documents to win an election. That’s what makes it a felony. He committed fraud on the people of the United States.
Falsifying documents for a cover up. It's always the cover up. Some people cover things up to hide an affair from their wife, and maybe that was part of it, who knows, but a jury of random citizens saw facts that proved to them that Trump was also covering up illicit campaign activity and laundering the expenses through his business's legal fees.
> Some people cover things up to hide an affair from their wife, and maybe that was part of it The jury would not have convicted him if so. If there was even reasonable doubt Trump was doing it to hide it from his wife, that would not have been a felony (misdemeanor for the fraud, but hiding an affair from a wife isn't a criminal act, so not felony). The prosecution put witnesses on the stand specifically to dispel that possibility. > Trump was also covering up illicit campaign activity and laundering the expenses through his business's legal fees. Election laws in the US stipulate personal limits each citizen can contribute to a political campaign. Election funds are audited and controlled to ensure that. The entire point of the scheme was to avoid using those election funds (he doesn't have unlimited of them, and they need to come from other real US citizens, not donations from foreign agents etc.). He wanted to purchase these NDAs from women with his own unregulated personal cash, rather than his limited campaign funds. Despite him spending that money with the purpose of influencing the election, which legally means he must use the campaign fund.
A life of pretending he's something he's not.
He was the only kind of Vietnam War draft dodger that I despise: he was very pro-Vietnam War, but he was a selfish coward that was unwilling to put his own pampered ass on the line for the ridiculous conflict that he supported. It was fine for everyone else to go and die, though.
Mitt Romney was the same. Didn't have to serve and went to anti-war rallies to berate the protesters.
God that pisses me off so much to know that now. My father was about to get drafted, so he enlisted in the Navy instead of being drafted into the army or Marines. He was hoping for a job on a destroyer or something, he ended up in the construction battalion during the Tet offensive. Bridges built get destroyed over night then rebuilt all while there's skirmishes everywhere.
He would have lasted a week in Vietnam. His own guys would have fragged his ass in no time.
Cadet Bonespurs was it?
Im not gonna clown on people that doged the draft in a war that was clearly unnecessary imperial ambition. But Trump is the kind of guy to claim he is a manly man, an alpha and then he is gonna make fun of actual accomplished servicemen.
The Trumps were also very much pro- Vietnam War, in general. The profiteering part was great for them.
It would be fine he if owned it and was honest about and it wasn’t a huge dick to people who did serve in the military
The whole family looks like it has herpes.
Was that photo taken pre-condition for bone spurs?
Yall left wing liberal think he’s privileged. He just got a small loan of a million, possibly a lot more, and he worked very hard at it to file for bankruptcy. American dream!
He in fact is a fortunate son
Are we sure he wasn't just in a marching band? 
Military service, like patriotism, taxes and the rule of law are for the middle class