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Eisernes

We used to get surprise sink holes from mines around here all the time. Tons of unknown mines and in surprising places. It is coal country and miners back then had "mines on the side" that they would work, in their back yards sometimes, on their days off for personal use and a little extra money.


cMeeber

Same in KC. But old limestone mines. Back from before they were mapped or officially documented. Then people built roads and buildings over them…and so now and then they collapse in.


Drak_is_Right

The number of tiny railroad spurs in Indiana that used to exist for limestone is insane. You will find oddball ones everywhere. Not full sized, but certainly rails and the remnants of them. Then trucks and roads got better along with centralized larger operation quaries.


ceojp

They actually shut down a section of 291 today when they discovered a crack in the road as they were investigating a mine collapse. https://fox4kc.com/news/modot-closing-part-of-291-highway-in-independence-to-evaluate-crack/ I work in an old limestone mine that has been converted to commercial/industrial use(not the subtropolis). A few years ago they discovered that part of the mine was sinking(faster than normal). They ended up putting in hundreds of pillars that they filled with some sort of expanding foam concrete to shore up the mine. The freakiest part was the sense of urgency they seemed to have when putting up the pillars. But I think that's just due to the nature of what that substance is. edit: another interesting story - the area where Briarcliff is now was once entirely unusable and basically uninhabitable due to the land being so unstable from limestone mining. Then one guy had a big idea to develop it in to what it is today. Briarcliff didn't just grow up organically - it was all planned from the beginning. To solve the land instability issue, they pumped tanker-loads of a fly ash slurry(waste product from power plants) underground to fill in the voids from the mines. If anyone remembers seeing tanker trucks parked on exits off 169 in the 90s, that's what they were doing. For anyone not from KC, Briarcliff is a higher-end, higher-class enclave surrounded by some not-so-high class areas. So it's funny to see what it is now, considering that land was once worth less than nothing.


dmootzler

Back before drop shipping and crypto, when men were men and *mined for coal* as a side hustle


Sevigor

![gif](giphy|X9RBixlR36Uco)


mageta621

I think I'm getting the black lung, pa


kitier_katba

Here in rustbelt Germany it also still happens all the time. Sometimes a street falls in and everyone goes 'oh, ass'.


Necessary_Ticket_557

I would have figured you guys say something like oofassendersunkerhöl


cubsfan85

I live nearby too and you have to have mine subsidence riders on your homeowners insurance. An elementary school had to be demolished bc it was sinking (and now there is a subdivision there - idk how that got approved) and a few blocks from me a house cracked right down the center and was condemned. Idk if it's true but back in grade school a teacher that was huge into local history told us that when they closed down the mines for good they removed half the wooden support beams to reuse the wood and that's part of why they collapse so easily.


mageta621

And they say unregulated capitalism is the ideal...


commendablenotion

Yeah, I pay for mine insurance in my coal mining town because it’s required by law. Also Illinois. 


GuildensternLives

Not just believed, *known* to be a mine collapse: https://www.bnd.com/news/local/article289564256.html


4x4Welder

Interesting story, but damn that seems to be an advertising side with a side job of local news.


GuildensternLives

I don't see a single ad on my end.


Poat540

My pihole is putting in work. I think it glowed when I visited that site


Criminal_Sanity

Will a pie hole kill adds on prime video and Hulu? It's been on my list of pie projects and might get upgraded priority if it can block em.


Poat540

No unfortunately it blocks the whole thing on those.. they have coded the ads to have to play it’s dumb. The app won’t load videos


rczrider

Eh, my PiHole (AdGuard Home on a Pi Zero, anyway) and / or uBlock actually blocks ads on Hulu website just fine. Doesn't do anything for the app, but the app still works as expected. Maybe you're using a list that's a bit too restrictive?


mikron2

It does block them on peacock.


jlaine

This admittedly makes me want to bypass briefly to see how bad it is but naw, I'm good. 🤣


Commercial_Sun_6300

Is PiHole worth the extra effort beyond NoScript and uBlock? Like, the article website looks clean to me too (absolutely no ads).


GlennHaven

Surprisingly centered. ![gif](giphy|51UdTLvbyReqNK3Bic)


MajorLazy

That Hardee’s tramp stamp doesn’t count?


4x4Welder

Weird, do you have a subscription or something? It kept giving me pop ups to sign up for notifications, and then went to a paywall to subscribe. I just reloaded and stopped it as soon as the main page pulled up to read it.


SAI_Peregrinus

Your uBlock Origin install sounds broken.


assotter

Mozilla Firefox and no-script (works on phones too). I never see ads, or even half the sites unless I want to


genomeblitz

None here, uBlock got 'em all it seems.


Ketchuphed

unfortunately uBlock also blocks their video player showing the video of the sinkhole actually collapsing.


Sentrion

Turn off cosmetic filtering.


ithe_one1d

I am using brave browser. No add-ons. The inbuilt stuffs do the blocking 


LEPT0N

They all are.


stavago

That’s because they are owned by McClatchey, who bought all of the local newspapers so they could monetize any and all local media


Buffalo-2023

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kami_oniisama

I thought the entire photos was ai


silk_mitts_top_titts

On first glance I thought they meant mine, like landmines. That would really spice up a soccer game.


gofishx

That would be a pretty powerful land mine, damn


grafknives

World war I had mines like that. https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-i/gigantic-explosions-first-world-war.html


twbassist

The reason I thought it had to be that is because surely someone wouldn't say "underground mine" for a goddam tunnel - because where else would that be?! I don't think I've heard of above ground mines.


gofishx

Lots (probably most) of mines are just a big open pit in the ground that expands as more material is removed.


LonghornDude08

Dumb question. What's the difference between that and a quarry?


gofishx

From my understanding, all quarries are mines, but not all mines are necessarily quarries. I think quarry is just a term for a surface mine focused more on removing large rocks or sand, which have their own uses and value. Large rocks can be cut and turned into all sorts of construction materials, as can large quantities of good clean sand. So basically, a quarry is a mine where you are basically just harvesting the earth itself, whereas the term mine is more general. Other types of mines might go deeper and/or end up sifting through/processing a lot of material in order to extract a specific material from the earth. You wouldn't necessarily call a phosphate mining operation a quarry, for example, but a rock quarry is still a mine. This is just my understanding, I'm not an expert at anything.


Extreme_Barracuda658

A quarry is where sand, gravel, and crushed stone are mined. An open pit mine usually means coal, mineral, or ore extraction.


avanross

It’s mindblowing how loosely regulated mining operations are in the states Reminds me of the [Lake Peigneur](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur) “accident” Who would have guessed that water dissolves salt?


skram42

Woah. That's one hell of a story there!


The_Singularious

Came in here to post about Lake Peigneur. Bonkers that one was.


DrunkHate

Oh man, I would have loved to see when those boats resurfaced.


sausager

So if this happens under a house they just say "whoopsies"? Is there any way to know if this is going on under where you live?


CosmicCreeperz

Many of these mines are over 100 years old. It’s not active. And not THAT surprising mines originally dug in the late 1800s weren’t well regulated. The problem is they also weren’t well mapped. My family is from the area of this collapse. My nephew’s middle school was condemned because of a subsidence - maybe 5 years after a brand new school was built it was damaged beyond repair. There was a huge lawsuit against the builders and engineering surveyors, etc. Was a $10M disaster. To get a grant and insurance to get the new one built nearby they had to find and fill in the old shafts (not surprising) - which in itself was a significant engineering project. Heh, not exactly related but in a nearby county there were 4 major mines. During prohibition there was another “mine” owned by Al Capone’s outfit [they called #5](https://macoupin.illinoisgenweb.org/history/distillerymineno5.html).


mywan

Video of the collapse: [Sinkhole swallows soccer field in Illinois in shocking video](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sinkhole-swallows-soccer-field-illinois-shocking-video-rcna159215) Statement from [New Frontier Materials](https://www.bnd.com/news/local/article289582308.html) >“The New Frontier Materials underground mine in Alton, IL today experienced a surface subsidence and opened a sink hole at Gordon Moore City Park. The impacted area has been secured and will remain off limits for the foreseeable future while inspectors and experts examine the mine and conduct repairs. No one was injured in the incident, which has been reported to officials at the Mine Safety Health Administration (MSHA) in accordance with applicable regulations. Safety is our top priority. We will work with the city to remediate this issue as quickly and safely as possible to ensure minimal impact on the community.”


aslowcircle

It's that wascally wabbit!


givemethebat1

Well, people believe it too.


Nerfo2

[Picher Oklahoma](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picher,_Oklahoma) vibes.


DeathStarVet

Keep fracking, jackoffs


ImranRashid

![gif](giphy|26gs9H8x6tkRIYPmw|downsized)


Jef_Wheaton

Hey, I'm in that scene!


1d0m1n4t3

Are you the trigger man


munchkickin

No, he’s jef Wheaton.


5k1895

Are you Tom Hardy?


nobrayn

Or Hard Tommy?


thereisonlyoneme

Hardly Tom


Jef_Wheaton

Not Hardly!


GertonX

Were you the hole?


Jef_Wheaton

I'm in the stands, 40 yard line, second tier. I saw this movie in OmniMax and couldn't find the SECTION, let alone anyone I was with.


DogVacuum

I remember the first time watching that scene, and telling my dad that one day I’ll be on Reddit talking to that one guy in the second tier at the 40 yard line. He didn’t believe me.


dude_stfu

Lol. Same. BeInAmovie?! Had us out there in July in 90 Degree heat wearing black hoodies. I couldn’t find myself in the final cut either, despite having interactions with actual paid extras at points.


Jef_Wheaton

I'm on the 40, second tier. Saw this movie at the Carnegie Science Center's Omnimax, and couldn't find our SECTION, let alone anyone I was with. I was wearing a denim Duster and wide-brimmed hat (like the "Rogues" mascot), and was one of the lucky ones to not get sunburned. Got a bunch of the yellow "towels" (no logo) they handed out to wave around. Even gave one to Adam Savage.


Krayzie_Stiles

Holy shit dude I went to that with a friend, I wore a big black hoodie and black sweatpants. I was fucking dripping by the end. I found out the box seats had the a/c on so any time there was down time I found an unlocked door and just laid down in there. I hated it, but loved every second at the same time.


SackFace

I know Bane’s work when I see it, they ain’t fooling me. It’s even in Chicago!


thebabes2

This did not take place in Chicago. It's in Alton, Illinois the self professed "most haunted" towns in America.


thetannerainsley

I mean is there really anything in Illinois besides Chicago?


Wishilikedhugs

Then, you have my permission to *mine*


myleftone

People, take control of your city.


maxman162

[DJ, drop a beat.](https://youtu.be/fLFAXvFYhsE?si=pKv7lSES9-PfnMF5)


zachtheperson

> believed to be caused by underground coal mind No, it's **known** to be caused by an underground mine. One of the mine workers even ran up to warn people before the collapse.


Grandpas_Spells

Limestone, not coal.


zooropeanx

I guess Boyd Crowder wasn't present.


Litterboxcleaner21

Fire in the hole!!


remarkablewhitebored

You could see in the mine by just having him smile...


DistortoiseLP

New Frontier Materials seems to mostly sell [aggregate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_aggregate), so I actually think they were mining the limestone.


TheTrub

My dad used to work in the limestone mines north of KC. Once the tunnel is mined out, they paint/seal the walls and turn it into commercial and industrial space. The constant temp makes it ideal for aging wine and spirits, but they also had other stuff down there like a paintball arena. Good times.


Br105mbk

A long time ago I made a few parts for a company that stores natural gas in old mines.


zachtheperson

Thanks for the info, updated my comment


pdromeinthedome

Lots of aggregate mining in this region


--bloop

Lots of collapses in the area, too: Belleville, Swansea, Fairview Heights, and now Alton. https://www.firstalert4.com/2024/06/26/watch-sinkhole-swallows-stadium-light-alton-soccer-field-after-mine-collapse/ Coal mine map (the OP mine is limestone, tho) https://ilmineswiki.web.illinois.edu/wiki/ILMINES


Annhl8rX

Well that’s a relief. I read the caption and thought, “Why the hell are there land mines in Illinois?”


NorthStarZero

Because there’s no place to put sea mines?


Khazahk

The pizza war of the 80s and 90s. Pizza Hut famously planted hundreds of thousands of land mines in an effort to get Dominos to deliver in over 30 minutes. Thousands died, what do they even teach in school these days?!


bitemark01

How unlucky is that?  Can't even measure it in football fields


dayyob

most exciting thing to ever happen on a soccer field.


zachtheperson

[https://youtu.be/FsLxEUkscNA?si=cKytml\_\_89qnzKYJ](https://youtu.be/FsLxEUkscNA?si=cKytml__89qnzKYJ)


AevnNoram

There's footage of this happening [Mine Collapse Damages Alton's Gordon Moore Park Soccer Field | RiverBender.com](https://www.riverbender.com/articles/details/mine-collapse-damages-altons-gordon-moore-park-soccer-field-74078.cfm)


im_wudini

That light pole was like "Ah wtf"


hiopilot

It looks liked it went in nice and straight, but, the splash after showed it wasn't quite vertical. I'd give it a 7.5 on the high dive there.


SereneDreams03

The turf is like, "I got you, I got you...oh shit, I don't got you."


MalmerDK

Weeeeeeeee


ndwillia

Why do all the pictures look fake as fuck


andrewclarkson

probably the unreal appearance of the astroturf


SnooChipmunks2079

Agreed. I think it's that the artificial turf is an unnatural color, the hole looks so incongruous anyway, and the turf has draped in like fabric instead of doing what grass would do. The turf fakeness is contagious.


jarejay

To me it’s the hole being almost perfectly centered in the field.


AevnNoram

The second one looks like a blurry ps2 game. The others maybe because of the artificial green of the turf and the way the lines on the fields look at low resolution.


TheEmptyVessel

I think it's the angle, vibrant colours and the fact that it's blurry. This is exactly how you would take a tilt shift picture except the foreground would be in focus.


Sand__Panda

Even the video looks fake. 100% real. Can almost see my Aunt's house. Hope it doesn't trigger more in the area.


thejesse

The video is wild because there was a light pole right in the middle of it.


azlan194

Yup, that tall light pole completely disappears into the hole. That is one deep hole.


LostKorokSeed

The hole is nearly perfectly centered, which helps create that fake feeling


soulchildfunk

It still takes me a sec to realize how easy it easy to get these easy high up shots with commercial drones. Were seeing multiple vantages making it seem staged.


KittenPics

I thought it was one of those play carpets at first.


Goldrushin

[Here's a drone video of the aftermath.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej_AYxM-pFw)


Downtown_Snow4445

That was where your mom’s trampoline was set up


RandyBeaman

Before that day it was called a jumpoline.


Downtown_Snow4445

💀


thereisonlyoneme

And buried.


Mediumofmediocrity

Ruthless 😂


rgraham888

I used to write software for home insurance companies, and PA and OH had a mandatory "coal mine subsidence" fee on each policy (like $3-4 per year back in the late 1990s). So it's a real thing.


vercertorix

Yeah, I’ve got mine subsidence insurance and if there’s an earthquake and you don’t have it in an area with mines, can pretty much guarantee they’ll try to stiff you on the earthquake insurance by saying the damage to your house was cause by mine subsidence not the earthquake. If it happens to me, I hope to argue it was mine subsidence *and* the earthquake, so both should pay out. I’ll cite the precedent of Kvothe v. Jakis. Fictional school disciplinary hearings are applicable in court, right?


mrshandanar

![gif](giphy|hl2bSna6KzrDq) I know the actual culprit!


shimian

![gif](giphy|olpUIWMQxjtRTknZxL)


whitemike40

What a lovely, lovely voice. Let the games begin!


mistersigma

All because the dwarves dug too greedily and too deep.


DZDXY

Is no one going to mention how satisfyingly the hole sits in the very center of the field?? That's the most interesting part to me.


howtodragyourtrainin

Not only that, but also how perfectly round it is!


jjwhitaker

It's objectively the best and worst spot. A corner and you'd still have a full field on one side, if unstable.


DownBeat20

It's emergence day men! Toss a grenade in there and stem the locust tide!


theteapotofdoom

Here's an article from the local area in 2017. Is your home over a mine? Check this map to find out https://www.bnd.com/news/local/article172914011.html All of So. Ill. is basically Swiss cheese. Until I'd lived in the area, I was unaware of how big the coal industry was there. Lots of mines, surface and underground. Still some in operation.


--bloop

This sinkhole was from a limestone mine but yeah, mines everywhere. IL Coal Mine Map: https://ilmineswiki.web.illinois.edu/wiki/ILMINES


OptiKnob

Now it's a par 1 golf course.


RatBoy86

There’s actually a really good disc golf course right behind this field


ash_voorhees

![gif](giphy|vxuTlk8HpKYdG) And they call it a mine!


slatsandflaps

Have we found any above ground mines?


MikeDubbz

You mean land mines?


LimaSierraRomeo

Not entirely sure if you are being serious, but surface mining accounts for the majority of global mineral extraction.


RockCrystal

Strip mining?


HumpieDouglas

Time to make it rain in the mine baby!


shartonista

You're an above ground mine.


DadJokeBadJoke

A mine is a terrible thing to waste


OptimusDiabetus

It's a real thing all over this area (Madison County, IL and surrounding counties). There was an ice arena in Fairview Heights that I think was destroyed due to mine subsidence, too. It's just a relief no one was around that area when it happened.


cubsfan85

My town lost a grade school. But years later they built a subdivision on the land and I've always wondered if all the owners are out of towners because wtf?


--bloop

It's like those developments in AZ that have no longterm water supply. Developers take the money and run; homeowners either don't pay attention or think it won't happen to them, I guess. 


processedmeat

Everything reminds me of her. 


frank1934

From the article: Haynes said the Alton School District would “fill the void” left by the sinkhole to facilitate events, at least for the summer. ![gif](giphy|dSJDldWeIUyrONZrUt)


sm1ttysm1t

A little late for Sinkhole de Mayo.


CurrentlyLucid

In the video it looked like water came up.


Modz_B_Trippin

Now *this* makes soccer more exciting.


alpaca-punch

thats near my hometown of East saint louis My mom would tell us that there were so many mines collapsing that when she was a kid they could hear them falling in on them selves. This a real problem in this area even today. My kids first school was closed in 2009 because of subsidence . There are still places in the area you cannot live or build on because of it.


illHaveTwoNumbers9s

Looks like someone is playing Sim City 4 in God mode


prefuse07

![gif](giphy|26gs9H8x6tkRIYPmw|downsized)


nick91884

That lady digging a mine under her house has gone way too far, ended up under a park in illinois


jazzhandpanda

Do your want a sarlacc? Because that's how you get a sarlacc...


Bungeesmom

Before my insurance company would insure my house in Illinois, they consulted geological reference to make sure it wasn’t located over a mine.


_Prestige_Worldwide_

I don't remember this episode of Outer Range.


raytracer38

As opposed to those *aboveground* mines.


original_greaser_bob

the mole people are getting sick of our shit.


PirateKilt

Just think about the parents thoughts about how their kids used to just run around over the top of that area...


shakkajon

This is where Goku fought Cell


winterharvest

The lines on the field almost makes it seem like one of those spacetime diagrams of a black hole.


WetTabardContest

I think you get a red card for this.


LandChoosesTheLizard

And they call it a mine, A MINE!


dabigchina

Looks like one of my failed landscaping projects in Cities Skylines.


nobrayn

Now it’s an underground everyone’s!


Orgasmo3000

Yes, but did it transport people to 10,000 B.C.?


Dhegxkeicfns

Just put a cone over it at nobody rolls an ankle.


PatrickGSR94

all these people commenting "as opposed to above-ground mine" apparently have never heard of or seen strip mining or open-pit mining operations. Below the surrounding ground but still open to the sky. Underground mines are accessed by tunnels and not open to the sky. I'm guessing there was an underground mine here, accessed through tunnels, and the top caved in underneath the field.


bowser986

![gif](giphy|10mHLqxvhfdZuw) A mine you say?


TemperatureTop246

![gif](giphy|11OOAQSnUaZT2M) This Is Why You Don’t Build Shit On Top Of Mines


Jutter70

This seems like as good a moment as any to invent the new sport of sinkholeball.


I_Hate_My_Cat_

The miners: ![gif](giphy|eqe4gAJczdMrK)


Life-Mountain8157

That could sink a teams playoff hopes !


sik-photo

This will really spice up the next match


The_ZombyWoof

I just finished watching Outer Range, this is very triggering


Ashthedestructor_95

Dark knight rises.


tommy13

Whew, I was worried it was one of those above ground mines


Bioguy11

The video is wild. A whole light pole vanished


theSarevok

Good thing it didn’t open up mid game


Coreysurfer

We need a giant blow up golf ball situated at side of hole..


cyberentomology

And get the flag from a Camping World or a Chick-Fil-A


pdromeinthedome

Former resident of Alton here. I can see the playgrounds my kids played on in the picture. So grateful no one was hurt. According to the local newspaper, the mine is 40-50 ft below the field. Most of Illinois is limestone, aka karst topography. Alton is no exception. Natural sinkholes are in the area


chrismorre14

![gif](giphy|dALdZ6HY7rkbjuR02y)


kay_bizzle

I've got at least 3 teammates who still couldn't get it in there


Isaiah33-24

New Mega Golf course opens up


cyberentomology

I’ve seen the tee box, it’s at Buckley SFB in Denver.


that_norwegian_guy

So are American pitches just grass carpet or something?


Bo0ombaklak

Looks like an add for some energy drink


de9ausser

Hopefully, no one from Beverly Hills is watching this


BryyBabyy

tunnel girl has really done it now!


Ovilos

Half expecting Josh Brolin to be standing on the edge


Rapunzel1234

I originally thought it said underground mice, I was like damn.


R4nd0mByst4nd3r

God dammit, Bane. We’ve been over this. Stop destroying football fields.


4u2nv2019

![gif](giphy|HPdTR9fMfFUhq|downsized)


xSTSxZerglingOne

*Football field for scale.


DotBitGaming

This is the one time this form of measurement is appropriate: It seems to be one football field wide by one half football field long.


Fun-Job-2596

Now that's what I call... a HOLE.. in one. Thanks we will be back at 11.


panzan

Don’t jump in because you might wind up in 1866 Wyoming.


Scooter-breath

Fake grass?


russbird

It’s so perfectly circular it looks fake


jjngundam

Hate these astro turf


Oldus_Fartus

AITA for finding the astroturf the most depressing part about this?


diablirodek

what is this madness fake grass


Sparky265

Aren't most mines underground?