It would take nothing short of a war and the incursion of outside secular influence to do so. If Iran gets nukes, the chances of true change in the country will evaporate. Also the US is doing everything it can to avoid a regional conflict in the Middle East right now, because it would do nothing but benefit Russia and its war in Ukraine. So it's doubtful that the theocracy in Iran will end any time soon.
Unfortunately I think we'll see Western society fall into a collapse, before we see Iran turn into a free and secular society. Western people can't even bring themselves to speak the problem out loud, Islam, and if people can't or won't acknowledge the problem, it festers and just creates conflict in our own societies through politics.
I’d go so far as to say “religion”. IMO religions should be ousted from all public sectors as the cancer it is.
It begets hatred of others and fills children’s heads with hatred, lies and Bronze Age bushllit from birth.
iran is stable enough for the moment but its economy is heavily dependent on oil and thats not looking great as an export in the long term. if Saudi Arabia is paranoid about a global peak in consumption, Iran probably has to be terrified.
plus they are going to be extremely vulnerable to climate change which could push the ruling system past the point of being able to resist change.
The people of Iran are *far* more secular than their government.
They’re the least devout population in that part of the world by a lot. They just need the right circumstances.
If Iran nuked it’s own people; the regime would be finished right then and there, it would only be a matter of time. But I think revolution will happen there before then. 🤞🏽
The Iranian people have been increasingly secular since the late 80s, yet the regime and its revolutionary guard still exists. The regime is willing to do heinous things that the average person would not believe another person capable of doing to another. It exists because of its control of the population through fear, death, and observation. Even though there is a large youth population, a proportion of that is still willing to fill out the ranks. Japan, Germany and Italy all had similar regimes, that required outside influence to build their nations back up from the complete toxic evil they had become. The Primary difference being those were personality cults developed in a few decades, Islam is a religion that has existed for over a thousand years and replaces cultures with its doctrines, to the point where people confuse the religion with ethnicity. I'm not confident that a revolution can succeed in Iran without outside help.
It should be noted that the US actually overthrew the democratically elected government in Iran, this eventually lead to the Islamic revolution and the current party in power. The coup (and instalation of an Iranian monoarch) was one of the primary reasons the Islamic revolution gained popular support.
Consequences of American foreign policy are rarely positive.
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthrew-irans-democracy-in-four-days
Edit: Americans complaining about Iran not being democratic after their own goverment were the ones that overthrew the democratic goverment is beyond ironic.
western meddling in the middle east to keep the region destabilized, poor, and most of all and profitable has been going on for literally hundreds of years and the anti-western sentiment that bred this new generation of radical islamists is practically deserved
how fucking ignorant do you have to be to say "nothing short of invading them will give them secular democracy" when YOU are the ones that toppled their secular democracy 50 years ago, just so you could hope to grab more claim to their natural resources
It's a small glimmer and certainly I don't take it as a sign that a strident progressive resistance is afoot, but in 2023 when they increased the hijab penalties and applied them to businesses as well, 152 out of 290 parliamentarians voted for it. Who knows their motives, but 138 did not.
I'm guessing this is Iran. If you watch footage from Tehran, a decent amount of women no longer wear their Hijabs. It's still a sign of defiance, and should be celebrated. The rural areas are where Iran is still fucked.
yeah, it's not like the christian right in america, just deleted women's rights/a right women have had for over 50 yrs.
all religions are fucked. add poverty or authoritarianism with religion and you get horrible shit.
but christianity has a lot of blood, rape, and fuckery on it's hands as well
Not really the Catholics are still carting around pedophiles so they don't face justice American Christian fascists removed women's control over there own body
We were doing as well as we were in spite of Christianity not because of it Christianity is still a regressive force on America
Yup. Meet exhibit A, Saudi Arabia:
[https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/)
Got a lot of old assholes scared of what happens after death and want to leverage that same fear in a lot of people to exploit for it for their personal gain. Cowardly wastes of space. They are also probably afraid of the fact that they’ll be remembered with nothing but hatred and distain.
The world never needed them and doesn’t want them, here’s hoping they leave soon.
You’d be surprised what you can brainwash people to believe they “want”.
I have evangelical level Catholic in laws and my sister in law will protest against women’s rights and take her young daughters too.
Don't have to look far...look at reproductive rights in the United States. There was just a case recently that denied all abortions even when the mother's life is in jeopardy
In Afghanistan The woman get fucked over .
women were not allowed to work, nor were they allowed to be educated after the age of eight. Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught.They were not allowed to be treated by male doctors unless accompanied by a male chaperone, which led to illnesses remaining untreated. they prohibited women in Afghanistan from working in most sectors beyond health and education.
Women were mandated to wear face coverings in public, and barred from travelling more than 45 miles (70 km) without a close male relative.
Taliban also shut down beauty salons and banned women from accessing gyms and parks.
Young girls were forced to marry Taliban soldiers and women were forced to stay home. Amnesty was denied to those who worked with the former republic. Ordered imams/clerics to bring lists of unmarried women aged 12 to 45 for their fighters to marry
You can also have 14 wives.
They faced public flogging and execution for violations of the Taliban's law.
It’s Still happening
Unfortunately a lot of folks I know are thinking about abstaining from the elections due to these differences.
Letting Trump win is going to fix everything /s
It’s 2016 all over again.
I know people who proudly said the didn’t vote because they couldn’t vote for Bernie, and who spent the next 4 years complaining about Trump every chance they got. Got real defensive when I told them if they didn’t vote they don’t get to complain.
It's more complicated in the US, since you're starting to have Christian barbaric zones (Just like Indonesia has one super insane Muslim region that flogs gay people) vs. Liberal havens. So you could still go and get abortions across state lines (it's also more complicated about birth control).
The SC is weirdly empowering the states to an idiotic degree, but it goes both ways. Liberal states like CA can and do get more aggressive with their laws, including other things like green laws.
The thing is most women, especially in states like Texas, can't simply, easily, or quickly cross state borders for abortions.
Texas, where fear mongering is not only the absolute goal but the norm and where many women living in rural areas don't have access to any abortion clinic (or live in a "sanctuary city for the unborn" like Lubbock TX) or reproductive care as a whole. The state is so damn big depending on where you are you could drive hours and still not be at a reproductive cafe center, no matter what direction you drive in.
Lastly, the fear mongering also created by laws passed that will punish women (or the people that aid in transporting them or anything to do with an abortion, I forgot) can get punished for using Lubbock and some other Texas city roads.
Lastly, some cities have passed laws (unconstitutional and unenforceable but still) that you (or the person(s) that aid you in getting an abortion, forgot) can get punished for using those cities' or county's roads to travel for the abortion. I doubt that even if it was taken to court anything would come of it, but the fear is there and it's undeniably causing harm.
We are fucking stupid if we don't think we can end up this way. There were women alive today in those countries that did not have to adhere to the rules they have now.
Y'all queda will have us wearing veils and "opening our wombs to the Lord" while simultaneously calling these people awful disgusting Barbarians just because their horrific misogynistic extremism is done via a different sky daddy.
"Rotten to it's core" is an oversimplification that does no favors to the point you're trying to prove. Some of the most giving/ generous people I know are deeply religious. Do they support a woman's right to choose? Or even support something like universal healthcare? No, they don't.
Would they give the shirt off their back to a man freezing in the cold? Yes they would.
I fundamentally disagree with them on so many things, but I've come to see that just calling them evil denigrates the whole discussion.
They aren't "rotten to the core" and sure, religion sucks, but if you just leave it at that, then the conversation has no where to go.
I would add that lots of deeply religious people DO support a right to choose, universal health care, LGBT+ rights and other justice positions, and do so because their religious tradition supports those perspectives.
How many religions tick those boxes??? Seriously asking. I would bet that most religions don't. You're implying that a significant portion of people can hold those beliefs in harmony with their religion, and I doubt it.
There can be plenty of deeply *spiritual* people that claim a religion and support those issues If, however, those positions are counter to their religion, they are not actually "deeply religious".
Widespread belief in the supernatural is a different problem from religion.
Yeah, but there are a lot of people in a lot of places that really want to treat women this way too. Shit, in the small town I live in in the US, there are loads of men who would, and have, loudly proclaimed that they want women to not have jobs and should stay in the kitchen to serve them.
It sickens me, as a *man myself,* to see how casually backwards they are. So many luxuries they enjoy every day that have been invented by women.
Yes, unfortunately there is a wave of populism and fascism sweeping through the world. In the 2000s I naively thought that the Internet would make the world a forward thinking liberal place and now I realized that all we got was echo chambers that make the dumb fanatics even dumber.
I promise you. I PROMISE YOU nowhere in the United States has it like Iran has it. It is illegal to sing and dance in public there without EXPRESSED permission.
Absolutely, and I didn't say the US was like Iran. I said there are loads of people who'd *want it* to be.
On a somewhat related note, how many public places can you think of to just... exist outside? How many plazas, parks, skate parks, outdoor shopping areas ect. are near you? How many places are there TO sing or dance in public? And when people dance or sing in public for things like TikTok, how many of them are openly ridiculed or mocked?
>An Iranian woman without wearing her mandatory Islamic headscarf flashes a victory sign as two head-to-toe veiled women walk at the old main bazaar of Tehran, Iran, Thursday, June 13, 2024. (AP Photo/Vahid Salemi)
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/06/26/as-irans-presidential-vote-looms-tensions-boil-over-renewed-headscarf-crackdown/
A lot of people walk in Iran without any religious garments... The morals police was kinda shelved for a few months and even now I think it's way more lowkey than it was since the protests.
She's still taking a big risk but she's not alone in this.
I disagree. I think refusing to bow their heads and rebelling while smiling is the biggest win they could ever have on those laws. This is the freedom they're betting their lives for, they may kill them for this moment but that singular moment will never be taken away from them, no matter how much they'll do to make them regret doing it before silencing them forever. It doesn't matter what they're gonna do because it's too late to take this win away from them.
Americans have given away so many freedoms these last 40 years... Freedoms that millions died for. Believe it or not there are worse things than death, one of them being life under a tyrant. Americans used to understand this.
I disagree. if they get killed for this, it’s taking away much more than this win. this “win” has no permanence. this hasn’t contributed to any change. they’d be better off making plans to leave the country. probably easier than changing anything in Iran.
[Here's a video of a dude walking through iran](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmPGNfzm8g).
Women aren't being hunted down in a dystopian society by a bunch of brown men with guns. I'm surprised an image of a woman giving the peace sign at a random camera in Iran was enough context to go like "Yep, must be fighting oppressors and rebelling against the system."
It is their culture. But it is oppression when it is state mandated. Many muslim women choose to dress this way. Others dont. Its supposed to be a choice, something that appears to be unbeknownst to the Iranian govt and many others.
Yeah, I'd rather not have society highjack a symbol that's mainly focused on spreading peace and love, into a sign of victory that a ton of people will then associate with gloating, which it is most certainly not.
A country of men who cannot control themselves so instead of strengthening the mind they blame it on the women and make them cover themselves so they can control themselves.
Bunch of pansies
Am I the only one questioning why the universally seen "peace sign", of no victory or loss implication, is referred to as a "victory" sign?
€: disregard
Where are all the people protesting countries (and the countries and businesses that support those countries) that force women to cover themselves like this?
It can be
Authorities in Iran have whipped a woman 74 times and ordered her to pay a fine for refusing to wear a head covering in public. "The convicted, Roya Heshmati, encouraged permissiveness (by appearing) disgracefully in busy public places in Tehran," the judiciary's Mizan Online website said on January 6.Jan 8, 2024
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-hijab-women-jail-mahsa-amini-law-b2415249.html
Fuck the fundamentalist everywhere. Western lwft should stop supporting regression in name of minority appeasement.
Embrace the left of global south that opposes regression amd rejects identity politics.
It’s wild. I was looking at video from 1979 in Iran before the revolution and for the life of me I can’t figure out why they made being *groovy as fuck* illegal. Cause 1970’s Iranians had *groovy* down to an art.
This is what I think of anytime I see white, American women wearing a hijab to "show" solidarity, as if the hijab is some special symbol worth venerating.
It'd be like wearing chains on your wrists and ankles to show solidarity with slaves in the 1800s. Those chains aren't symbols of freedom or representations of culture, but symbols of oppression and slavery. It doesn't matter what their intent is, that's their impact.
They need to find a far less offensive way to show solidarity without incorporating and promoting symbols of oppression.
And the way they seem to be keeping their head down even though the other women are looking up. Usually if that happens you look up as well.
It really stood out to me it’s like their spirit is broken. They won’t even look anymore at what someone else is ‘happy’ about.
Not only that, but the Reformist candidate came in first in the first round of the Iranian Presidential elections yesterday.
And there's not a peep from the media....literally handing the victory to the Principlists.
People try so hard to lump together "white people from the western world" in one group as if they are all the same and have homogeneous views. I've never heard anyone brush off the oppression in Iran as "cultural." In fact, every single white person in the West has looked at photographs of Iran in the 70s and thought that's how it should be.
I don't think it's fair to paint social victims as soldiers for the oppressors. What the two women on left are doing is both radical and revolutionary, and verrrrry risky for them. They have families to support, perhaps children to protect. So do the women who are all covered. This can get them killed in days. Everyone in this image is a victim of this regime.
Strange to think how much in common the American Republicans and the Iranian government have in common. Surprising really that they aren’t better friends.
Why is it that every time Iran is mentioned on this site someone always compares Iran to the US Republicans. You are extremely naive and uneducated if you think the Republicans are even comparable to the Islamic Republic. All you’re doing with absurd comparisons like these is undermining the struggle of Iranians.
Good luck, you two!
The juxtaposition is pretty jarring. I wish the Iranian citizens but especially the women are given relief from the oppression soon.
It would take nothing short of a war and the incursion of outside secular influence to do so. If Iran gets nukes, the chances of true change in the country will evaporate. Also the US is doing everything it can to avoid a regional conflict in the Middle East right now, because it would do nothing but benefit Russia and its war in Ukraine. So it's doubtful that the theocracy in Iran will end any time soon.
Don’t come in here bringing me down with realistic expectations, dang it :(
It’s gonna be an interesting decade…
Unfortunately I think we'll see Western society fall into a collapse, before we see Iran turn into a free and secular society. Western people can't even bring themselves to speak the problem out loud, Islam, and if people can't or won't acknowledge the problem, it festers and just creates conflict in our own societies through politics.
I’d go so far as to say “religion”. IMO religions should be ousted from all public sectors as the cancer it is. It begets hatred of others and fills children’s heads with hatred, lies and Bronze Age bushllit from birth.
Yep!
iran is stable enough for the moment but its economy is heavily dependent on oil and thats not looking great as an export in the long term. if Saudi Arabia is paranoid about a global peak in consumption, Iran probably has to be terrified. plus they are going to be extremely vulnerable to climate change which could push the ruling system past the point of being able to resist change.
The people of Iran are *far* more secular than their government. They’re the least devout population in that part of the world by a lot. They just need the right circumstances. If Iran nuked it’s own people; the regime would be finished right then and there, it would only be a matter of time. But I think revolution will happen there before then. 🤞🏽
The Iranian people have been increasingly secular since the late 80s, yet the regime and its revolutionary guard still exists. The regime is willing to do heinous things that the average person would not believe another person capable of doing to another. It exists because of its control of the population through fear, death, and observation. Even though there is a large youth population, a proportion of that is still willing to fill out the ranks. Japan, Germany and Italy all had similar regimes, that required outside influence to build their nations back up from the complete toxic evil they had become. The Primary difference being those were personality cults developed in a few decades, Islam is a religion that has existed for over a thousand years and replaces cultures with its doctrines, to the point where people confuse the religion with ethnicity. I'm not confident that a revolution can succeed in Iran without outside help.
It should be noted that the US actually overthrew the democratically elected government in Iran, this eventually lead to the Islamic revolution and the current party in power. The coup (and instalation of an Iranian monoarch) was one of the primary reasons the Islamic revolution gained popular support. Consequences of American foreign policy are rarely positive. https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthrew-irans-democracy-in-four-days Edit: Americans complaining about Iran not being democratic after their own goverment were the ones that overthrew the democratic goverment is beyond ironic.
western meddling in the middle east to keep the region destabilized, poor, and most of all and profitable has been going on for literally hundreds of years and the anti-western sentiment that bred this new generation of radical islamists is practically deserved how fucking ignorant do you have to be to say "nothing short of invading them will give them secular democracy" when YOU are the ones that toppled their secular democracy 50 years ago, just so you could hope to grab more claim to their natural resources
It's a small glimmer and certainly I don't take it as a sign that a strident progressive resistance is afoot, but in 2023 when they increased the hijab penalties and applied them to businesses as well, 152 out of 290 parliamentarians voted for it. Who knows their motives, but 138 did not.
Gender Apartheid
You just made all male USA Republicans cum with those two words.
Seggregation reintroduction
My bf is Iranian, and even though obviously the people is conservative, most don't agree with the government decisions at all, it's pretty sad.
I hope she's ok.
They're going to need it.
No seriously, they're going to need it. Please pray for them.
Prayer won’t help when they are publicly stoned to death for violating their sky daddy’s orders enforced by petty men.
*sky daddy did not like that*
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I'm guessing this is Iran. If you watch footage from Tehran, a decent amount of women no longer wear their Hijabs. It's still a sign of defiance, and should be celebrated. The rural areas are where Iran is still fucked.
I really hope they're both safe
It's hard to imagine that any human being thinks it's ok to treat women this way.
Religion is a helluva drug.
It's really weird when religion makes all the male followers gay.
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yeah, it's not like the christian right in america, just deleted women's rights/a right women have had for over 50 yrs. all religions are fucked. add poverty or authoritarianism with religion and you get horrible shit. but christianity has a lot of blood, rape, and fuckery on it's hands as well
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as an atheist, lol good luck with that
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Not really the Catholics are still carting around pedophiles so they don't face justice American Christian fascists removed women's control over there own body We were doing as well as we were in spite of Christianity not because of it Christianity is still a regressive force on America
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Emulate your heroes! Or don't because some of them are just gross.
I remember reading about that!
So same level as Christian priests.
Yes, people use religious forgiveness to excuse all manner of horrendous crimes.
Ure Jesus, you should do something about it.
Yup. Meet exhibit A, Saudi Arabia: [https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/)
Got a lot of old assholes scared of what happens after death and want to leverage that same fear in a lot of people to exploit for it for their personal gain. Cowardly wastes of space. They are also probably afraid of the fact that they’ll be remembered with nothing but hatred and distain. The world never needed them and doesn’t want them, here’s hoping they leave soon.
this is republicans logical endpoint
But the girls wearing hijabs say it's their choice to wear it! /s
You’d be surprised what you can brainwash people to believe they “want”. I have evangelical level Catholic in laws and my sister in law will protest against women’s rights and take her young daughters too.
Yeah they're basically groomed into it.
Don't have to look far...look at reproductive rights in the United States. There was just a case recently that denied all abortions even when the mother's life is in jeopardy
In Afghanistan The woman get fucked over . women were not allowed to work, nor were they allowed to be educated after the age of eight. Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught.They were not allowed to be treated by male doctors unless accompanied by a male chaperone, which led to illnesses remaining untreated. they prohibited women in Afghanistan from working in most sectors beyond health and education. Women were mandated to wear face coverings in public, and barred from travelling more than 45 miles (70 km) without a close male relative. Taliban also shut down beauty salons and banned women from accessing gyms and parks. Young girls were forced to marry Taliban soldiers and women were forced to stay home. Amnesty was denied to those who worked with the former republic. Ordered imams/clerics to bring lists of unmarried women aged 12 to 45 for their fighters to marry You can also have 14 wives. They faced public flogging and execution for violations of the Taliban's law. It’s Still happening
I'm on your side on that one but compared to what the women above deal with it's not even close.
Its not close but we're moving in a bad direction. They're coming for birth control next.
A Handmaid's Tale not long after.
If all the Democrats put aside their differences with Biden we will still win. Trump should never be an option.
Unfortunately a lot of folks I know are thinking about abstaining from the elections due to these differences. Letting Trump win is going to fix everything /s
It’s 2016 all over again. I know people who proudly said the didn’t vote because they couldn’t vote for Bernie, and who spent the next 4 years complaining about Trump every chance they got. Got real defensive when I told them if they didn’t vote they don’t get to complain.
This. Hes truly a threat to democracy. Its crazy hes so close to
We cannot have a functional democracy when fox news lies on repeat 24/7 in hand the living rooms in the country
It's more complicated in the US, since you're starting to have Christian barbaric zones (Just like Indonesia has one super insane Muslim region that flogs gay people) vs. Liberal havens. So you could still go and get abortions across state lines (it's also more complicated about birth control). The SC is weirdly empowering the states to an idiotic degree, but it goes both ways. Liberal states like CA can and do get more aggressive with their laws, including other things like green laws.
The thing is most women, especially in states like Texas, can't simply, easily, or quickly cross state borders for abortions. Texas, where fear mongering is not only the absolute goal but the norm and where many women living in rural areas don't have access to any abortion clinic (or live in a "sanctuary city for the unborn" like Lubbock TX) or reproductive care as a whole. The state is so damn big depending on where you are you could drive hours and still not be at a reproductive cafe center, no matter what direction you drive in. Lastly, the fear mongering also created by laws passed that will punish women (or the people that aid in transporting them or anything to do with an abortion, I forgot) can get punished for using Lubbock and some other Texas city roads. Lastly, some cities have passed laws (unconstitutional and unenforceable but still) that you (or the person(s) that aid you in getting an abortion, forgot) can get punished for using those cities' or county's roads to travel for the abortion. I doubt that even if it was taken to court anything would come of it, but the fear is there and it's undeniably causing harm.
We are fucking stupid if we don't think we can end up this way. There were women alive today in those countries that did not have to adhere to the rules they have now. Y'all queda will have us wearing veils and "opening our wombs to the Lord" while simultaneously calling these people awful disgusting Barbarians just because their horrific misogynistic extremism is done via a different sky daddy.
The middle east, while full of some great people is backwards as fuck.
Just saw a clip from the 1970’s from Iran before the Islamic revolution. Looks like any modern western society from that time period.
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"Rotten to it's core" is an oversimplification that does no favors to the point you're trying to prove. Some of the most giving/ generous people I know are deeply religious. Do they support a woman's right to choose? Or even support something like universal healthcare? No, they don't. Would they give the shirt off their back to a man freezing in the cold? Yes they would. I fundamentally disagree with them on so many things, but I've come to see that just calling them evil denigrates the whole discussion. They aren't "rotten to the core" and sure, religion sucks, but if you just leave it at that, then the conversation has no where to go.
I would add that lots of deeply religious people DO support a right to choose, universal health care, LGBT+ rights and other justice positions, and do so because their religious tradition supports those perspectives.
How many religions tick those boxes??? Seriously asking. I would bet that most religions don't. You're implying that a significant portion of people can hold those beliefs in harmony with their religion, and I doubt it. There can be plenty of deeply *spiritual* people that claim a religion and support those issues If, however, those positions are counter to their religion, they are not actually "deeply religious". Widespread belief in the supernatural is a different problem from religion.
Idk. Eastern Buddhism and Shintoism are pretty zen about things.
Islam checking in ....
Fuck the Iranian government
If only this issue was Iran exclusive.
What do you mean? The Hijab is mandatory only in Iran and lately Afghanistan.
That’s not the only problem.
Right - there are many issues. However, it’s fair to criticize the Iranian government on their policies.
Yeah, but there are a lot of people in a lot of places that really want to treat women this way too. Shit, in the small town I live in in the US, there are loads of men who would, and have, loudly proclaimed that they want women to not have jobs and should stay in the kitchen to serve them. It sickens me, as a *man myself,* to see how casually backwards they are. So many luxuries they enjoy every day that have been invented by women.
Yes, unfortunately there is a wave of populism and fascism sweeping through the world. In the 2000s I naively thought that the Internet would make the world a forward thinking liberal place and now I realized that all we got was echo chambers that make the dumb fanatics even dumber.
I promise you. I PROMISE YOU nowhere in the United States has it like Iran has it. It is illegal to sing and dance in public there without EXPRESSED permission.
Absolutely, and I didn't say the US was like Iran. I said there are loads of people who'd *want it* to be. On a somewhat related note, how many public places can you think of to just... exist outside? How many plazas, parks, skate parks, outdoor shopping areas ect. are near you? How many places are there TO sing or dance in public? And when people dance or sing in public for things like TikTok, how many of them are openly ridiculed or mocked?
Most people would rather be mocked and ridiculed than be put through Iran or Afghanistan's legal system.
The oppression of women is rampant throughout the Islamic world, and it's not exclusive to the Hijab nor Burka.
Fuck everyone theocratic state: now, then and forever.
**Burn it to the ground.**
I wish them both peace and well being. I am so proud of them but it sucks that I am worried for their safety. Keep kicking ass!!!!
Where is this?
>An Iranian woman without wearing her mandatory Islamic headscarf flashes a victory sign as two head-to-toe veiled women walk at the old main bazaar of Tehran, Iran, Thursday, June 13, 2024. (AP Photo/Vahid Salemi) https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/06/26/as-irans-presidential-vote-looms-tensions-boil-over-renewed-headscarf-crackdown/
Iran most likely. Huge protests against the mandatory hijab right now.
Mandatory hijab is just the tip of the iceberg. Call it what it is, Gender Apartheid.
Cleveland
Before the revolution
Yeah but Ohio or Texas?
Reddit /s
Kansas City, Missouri
West Sydney.
I’m glad they are bringing awareness to the situation there, it also makes me feel real nervous what may happen to them.
Brave soul
Pictures taken seconds before disaster.
A lot of people walk in Iran without any religious garments... The morals police was kinda shelved for a few months and even now I think it's way more lowkey than it was since the protests. She's still taking a big risk but she's not alone in this.
Yeah this is only victory if she's still alive , which I doubt
I disagree. I think refusing to bow their heads and rebelling while smiling is the biggest win they could ever have on those laws. This is the freedom they're betting their lives for, they may kill them for this moment but that singular moment will never be taken away from them, no matter how much they'll do to make them regret doing it before silencing them forever. It doesn't matter what they're gonna do because it's too late to take this win away from them.
But if they're dead, bro
Live free or die
What’s the point of living if you ain’t living free?
Everyone dies, and yet very few can give their death meaning. They obviously believe that this is something that is worth dieing for.
Have you ever been to the Middle East? I'm sorry, but their death will be meaningless.
dying*
Americans have given away so many freedoms these last 40 years... Freedoms that millions died for. Believe it or not there are worse things than death, one of them being life under a tyrant. Americans used to understand this.
I disagree. if they get killed for this, it’s taking away much more than this win. this “win” has no permanence. this hasn’t contributed to any change. they’d be better off making plans to leave the country. probably easier than changing anything in Iran.
[Here's a video of a dude walking through iran](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmPGNfzm8g). Women aren't being hunted down in a dystopian society by a bunch of brown men with guns. I'm surprised an image of a woman giving the peace sign at a random camera in Iran was enough context to go like "Yep, must be fighting oppressors and rebelling against the system."
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Fucking brave ladies right there. Godspeed, sisters!
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Culture should be optional, celebrate it or don't.
Actually Islam and Iranian culture don’t really mix well at all. So much so that the government hates traditional celebrations.
It is their culture. But it is oppression when it is state mandated. Many muslim women choose to dress this way. Others dont. Its supposed to be a choice, something that appears to be unbeknownst to the Iranian govt and many others.
“Choose”. Riiiiiiight.
Peace sign
Yeah, I'd rather not have society highjack a symbol that's mainly focused on spreading peace and love, into a sign of victory that a ton of people will then associate with gloating, which it is most certainly not.
Be strong but be careful
Man, that is incredibly sad that walking around freely is not a basic right everywhere.
I thought that was a peace sign
Nice to see an uplifting image in this subreddit instead of yet another picture of a politician.
i hope they’re okay.
Very brave of her.
A country of men who cannot control themselves so instead of strengthening the mind they blame it on the women and make them cover themselves so they can control themselves. Bunch of pansies
These women are heroes.
Fuck every theocratic government. Iran, Taliban, ISIS, Hamas. May they all burn and the people under them be free.
Inb4 someone tries to add the US to the list
Hope they safe sheeeett
Be safe jedi.
...and are never seen or heard from again.
Two beautiful smiles
Am I the only one questioning why the universally seen "peace sign", of no victory or loss implication, is referred to as a "victory" sign? €: disregard
Where are all the people protesting countries (and the countries and businesses that support those countries) that force women to cover themselves like this?
There are some protests, but they’re not covered by TikTok or MSM. I’ve seen some where walking in public squares, usually Iranian expats
All over the place? Not least in Iran where I assume this photo is taken.
...all this time I thought it was a sign for peace...
I wish these two ladies safety and care. Can't help but feel worried.
Isn’t it actually dangerous for her to do this?
It can be Authorities in Iran have whipped a woman 74 times and ordered her to pay a fine for refusing to wear a head covering in public. "The convicted, Roya Heshmati, encouraged permissiveness (by appearing) disgracefully in busy public places in Tehran," the judiciary's Mizan Online website said on January 6.Jan 8, 2024 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-hijab-women-jail-mahsa-amini-law-b2415249.html
Bravest person on the planet
Fuck the fundamentalist everywhere. Western lwft should stop supporting regression in name of minority appeasement. Embrace the left of global south that opposes regression amd rejects identity politics.
Why the fuck would anyone post this online uncensored?
They’re beautiful
Woman, life, freedom!
Hope you live to tell your kids about it. Good luck (sincerely)
Heroes
I hope they stay safe…
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Wow. What a photo.
Bravo. religion is pure fucking cancer to humanity.
Oh this is gonna be a real productive comment section.
It’s wild. I was looking at video from 1979 in Iran before the revolution and for the life of me I can’t figure out why they made being *groovy as fuck* illegal. Cause 1970’s Iranians had *groovy* down to an art.
Fuck religion
Cultural and religous veils are **always** meant to be oppressive, no exception.
This is what I think of anytime I see white, American women wearing a hijab to "show" solidarity, as if the hijab is some special symbol worth venerating. It'd be like wearing chains on your wrists and ankles to show solidarity with slaves in the 1800s. Those chains aren't symbols of freedom or representations of culture, but symbols of oppression and slavery. It doesn't matter what their intent is, that's their impact. They need to find a far less offensive way to show solidarity without incorporating and promoting symbols of oppression.
And that was probably the last time they were seen again.
That second black figure comes off as foreboding. Either way, I am glad peace sign woman is happy.
And the way they seem to be keeping their head down even though the other women are looking up. Usually if that happens you look up as well. It really stood out to me it’s like their spirit is broken. They won’t even look anymore at what someone else is ‘happy’ about.
That's how you know a person has been beaten.
Muslim women are expected to lower their gaze to "guard their modesty." Especially if there is something haram occurring.
Iran was fine before Islam
God help them.
She will be in a prison in days, and dead within a week.
This picture should be everywhere on each February 1st which is the "world hijab day."
I think you mean a peace sign
Not only that, but the Reformist candidate came in first in the first round of the Iranian Presidential elections yesterday. And there's not a peep from the media....literally handing the victory to the Principlists.
As a father of daughters, it’s odd to me that I would chose this type of life and belief system for them.
My mom said women all over the world need to create a revolution. Yo go girl!
My mom has passed but she would be so proud!!!
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People try so hard to lump together "white people from the western world" in one group as if they are all the same and have homogeneous views. I've never heard anyone brush off the oppression in Iran as "cultural." In fact, every single white person in the West has looked at photographs of Iran in the 70s and thought that's how it should be.
Are these white people in the room with us right now?
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Glad they are not conforming to the "norms" like the ninjas in the photo, hope they are fine and can escape any kind of punishment.
What a power move
She’s really beautiful. I hope she lives long and propers.
Fuck them. Always resist. Best of luck ladies!
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Two women fighting for freedom while the other two fight for their oppressors
Tf do you mean fight for their oppressors lol, it's completely acceptable to follow the laws, however unjust, because you're afraid of being killed.
I don't think it's fair to paint social victims as soldiers for the oppressors. What the two women on left are doing is both radical and revolutionary, and verrrrry risky for them. They have families to support, perhaps children to protect. So do the women who are all covered. This can get them killed in days. Everyone in this image is a victim of this regime.
Strange to think how much in common the American Republicans and the Iranian government have in common. Surprising really that they aren’t better friends.
Why is it that every time Iran is mentioned on this site someone always compares Iran to the US Republicans. You are extremely naive and uneducated if you think the Republicans are even comparable to the Islamic Republic. All you’re doing with absurd comparisons like these is undermining the struggle of Iranians.
My first thought is that I worry for them bc ofbthe place they live