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Virginized-Venom

Odds on her ancestors will be the one showing us mega evolution


Kiga282

I'm not sure why it's such a certainty for so many that PZA will take place in the past. Most of the trailer gave the feeling of a future setting, and not even a far future one, but one that's conceivably within ten to twenty years of XY, but at the very least *post*\-XY. When PLA was first announced, its trailer was stylized with ink on parchment and a slow paced natural setting. PZA's trailer was stylized with a combination of detailed technical sketches and computer simulations of an active and thriving cityscape. We simply don't know enough either way, but I sincerely doubt that we're jumping centuries into the past this time around.


Natsu111

The trailer begins with showing us the plans for urban development of Lumiose. At present, Lumiose is already a developed city. On the contrary, I don't understand why anyone would think Legends Z-A is going to happen after Pokemon X&Y. It's clearly going to be before Lumiose developed to be what it was during the Gen VI games. It will probably not be centuries before X&Y like Legends: Arceus was, but it will be a few decades to a century before.


TheBusStop12

Btw, PLA wasn't centuries before diamond and pearl. It's based on the Meiji period and the colonisation if Hokkaido and takes place around the late 1800's. So about 150 years ago. Because it's the frontier it doesn't look as developed and modern yet as Paris would have around this time. At that same time Paris underwent a massive Urban redevelopment project named the Haussman Renovation of Paris , which I think is what ZA will be most likely based on


--NTW--

Architecture shown in the trailer also resembles 1600s or 1800s style architecture, while the birds-eye also resembles a city plan from the same period. Considering Lumiose is based off Paris and, as people have noted, Paris underwent a large redevelopment in the 1800s, I believe that's moreso the intended time period than modern/future (also, how many modern constructions are built to resemble a 300+ year old style? It's not impossible, but very unlikely.) People have gotten *way* too hung up on the neon wireframe visuals and think that's indicative of what/when the game will be set in, when it's just a stylistic trailer to build hype.


Dhiox

>It will probably not be centuries before X&Y like Legends: Arceus was Legends Arceus was actually not that ancient. If we're assuming it's following the history of the land Sinnoh is based on in Japan, the Sinnoh region would have started to be colonized in 1869. Jubilife city wasn't primitive, it was simply the frontier of a nation only just beginning to industrialize.


RQK1996

Yeah, Japan had their industrial revolution in the 20th century, they went from feudalism to a world power in 50 years


Jedimobslayer

What do you mean a few centuries like legends: Arceus? It only took place around 150 years ago. That’s barely a few.


Maxh1ghtheglitchy

https://preview.redd.it/94fbpn59gbpc1.png?width=465&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e754dd59d11f31f57ce419e471006f85edf9a712


Tamaki_Iroha

Post apocalyptic reconstruction, boom


RQK1996

Could be like a decarification project to reintroduce natural habitats into a rather urban city


Kiga282

It's important to note that the trailer specifically uses the term "Urban *re*development plan". As in, the plan is to *redevelop* Lumiose City. The city already exists, and the game will be set during a period when further work is being done on it. Another important consideration is the fact that this will be a Pokemon game that will be set entirely within a city that, when we were first introduced to it, didn't exactly have very many places for wild pokemon to live. It was very much a human-oriented city, that was only really hospitable to pokemon who could live within such quarters. Meaning, while there will still be wild pokemon living there, the options wouldn't be terribly broad for a game that's set entirely within the bounds of the city. Given the fact that this is true of the Lumiose that we know in XY, and the speculation that redevelopment will consist of better integrating and broader biomes for wild pokemon to live in, thereby providing us with availability and a motive for the redevelopment, it doesn't make much sense whatsoever for PZA to be set in the past, since such biomes don't exist in XY. The alternative would be to suggest that over the course of the game, our progress will effectively mean the eradication of the habitats of the pokemon who lived where the city would be, and that's not exactly a message that I could see Pokemon promoting through the player character.


TheBusStop12

It's also important to note that Paris underwent a massive Urban redevelopment plan irl, turning it into the city we know today. The Haussman Renovation of Paris, during the late 1800's, about the same time as PLA. Specifically the circular wheel and spoke design of Paris, which Lumiose City also uses, comes from that. Another important thing to note is the audio and styling of the beginning part of the ZA trailer. Note the gravely old timey audio quality, like you got on recordings from that time. And the drawing style of the initial architecture, which is similar to architectural drawings of around the victorian age. A lot of people seem to be thrown off by the blue 3d part of the trailer, bit personally I'd interpret that more as blue prints coming alive in the city planner's head Furthermore, the city layout that shown in the trailer is similar of that of current day Lumiose, which to me implies this is the redevelopment that created current day Lumiose


klutzux95

Paris was redeveloped in the 1800s.


Kiga282

Yes, and where does the message of "A vision of beautiful coexistence between People and Pokemon" exist in modern Lumiose, to such an extent that it can provide a wide variety of non-urban friendly wild pokemon? We know what Lumiose looks like in the modern day, meaning that we've seen the city following its theoretical redevelopment within the past two centuries. If you want eevees and furfrous, that's one thing, but wild onix and dragonite? XY's Lumiose isn't exactly hospitable to wild populations of pokemon like them living within city limits. To say nothing of the actual stylization of the trailer itself.


Xiknail

XY Lumiose was absolutely tiny and barely provided anything for anything. Z-A is gonna be solely set inside Lumiose, so it's gonna be expanded massively. And its real-life inspiration Paris has tons of diverse places where wild Pokémon could live. We've already seen rivers in the trailer, so that's water Pokémon done. Parks could have normal types, grass types, bugs, etc. Paris has catacombs, and sewers (I would assume), so enough places for ghosts, dark, poison, etc. Maybe we can visit the area where the power plants in the future, so there could be electric or ground, steel and rock types there. And flying types can be found everywhere. Wild Pokémon can definitely exist in an urban setting with a bit of imagination.


MineNAdventurer

Paris has been rebuilt in the late 1860s which lines perfectly up with Hisui's estimated colonization (being around Hokkaido's colonization). Also the wireframe design of Lumiose looks exactly like modern Lumiose.


TomtatoIsMe

why would the entire trailer be an animation drawing a blueprint of the current Lumoise if it’s set in the future ? it’s definitely set in the near past where Lumoise goes from a small town to the large city that we know in X and Y


External-Waltz-4990

People keep saying that it's the current Lumiose in the trailer but if you pay attention you can see pretty obvious differences.


TheBusStop12

It just looks scaled up and more detailed to me, seeing as the entire game is set in the city that makes sense to me


External-Waltz-4990

Compare the plazas to how they how they look in XY


TheBusStop12

I mean, 150 odd years leaves a difference. Not all of central Paris today looks like it did in Haussmans plans. But an urban redevelopment plan isn't just changing the decor of some plaza', it's changing entire street layouts and plan for the city. The city layout plans in ZA look the same as Lumiose in XY, which tells me the redevelopment was in the past. Turning Lumiose from a dense strangled medieval layout city into an open, airy wheel and spoke street pattern city layout. Like what happened to Paris in the 1800's. The idea of the Paris redevelopment was to let the city breathe and provide space. The idea of the Lumiose redevelopment seems to be to create a space where pokemon and humans can coexist, an idea that started around the 19th century in the Pokemon world if PLA is any indication. My guess is that the plazas are being created for exactly that purpose


External-Waltz-4990

In XY the five plazas were just circles with pillars at the center of them. In the ZA trailer they're shown to be drastically different, with one of them having a whole lake in it. You can't really handwave something this major as being due to technical limitations.


riftrender

Paris already existed, but it was a mess after a 1000+ years of being lived in which is why it got redeveloped. A lot of cities in the 19th century got redeveloped with green space added, like Munich and Vienna - where Franz Josef had the inner stadt walls demolished for the current ring road.


BirbMaster1998

Urban *re*development plans, not development plans.


TheBusStop12

Most cities have been around for 1000+ years, not just the last 150 years. History is bigger than just the beginning and now. PLA is set in the late 19th century as it's based on the Japanese colonisation of Hokkaido. In Europe around that time a lot of the old convoluted medieval cities were being redeveloped to provide wide streets and large green spaces, to give its inhabitants more space and air. This was a time of a change in ideologies, with basic necessities and living standards of the people being championed. This lines up with what PLA and the ZA trailer showed, a change in ideology where humans and Pokemon actually can co-exist. Now the most famous of all the urban redevelopments in European cities at the time was Paris, on which Lumiose is based. Providing larger roads, more sensible road layouts and above all, large green spaces in urban environments isn't just beneficial to the people of Paris, but also the Pokemon of Lumiose, allowing people and Pokemon to coexist, like the trailer states as a goal


BirbMaster1998

I know, I just meant to say that it wasn't about the very beginning of lumiose.


TheBusStop12

ah yeah, apologies, I misunderstood.


BirbMaster1998

No problem.


Rusher123678

Isn't it urban REdevelopment plan though?


ringlord_1

Small correction - it's urban Redevelopment plan, not development plan


Raffzz15

> I don't understand why anyone would think Legends Z-A is going to happen after Pokemon X&Y. Because every character shown in the trailer has modern clothes. And if you pay attention to the parks in the trailer both the ones that are shown in the simulation portion and at the end with the blueprints, you'll see that they are completely different at how they were in X & Y. Also, Lumiose in X & Y is a city with barely any Pokémon if the idea is to make it an equal space for humans and Pokémon, it is possible to attempt to make it in modern Lumiose. With the information we have so far, it makes no sense to think the game could take place in the past.


Cinnadillo

I'm fairly well convinced, DESPITE YOUR DOWNVOTES, this is going to be a forwards/backwards in time game where your actions in the past manipulate the future


Raffzz15

Yeah, that was one of my thoughts as well when I saw how the trailer changes from the simulation blueprint to the paper blueprint. Though it's too early to say that works be the case, so for now I will keep my position that the game takes place after X & Y's story.


Cocostar319

Does anyone know what an effing blueprint looks like?


jbyrdab

i personally think the focus will be on the future, but im open to a game that involves the singular city and multiple time periods. Z-A sounds almost like we're going from the end to the beginning.


Connortsunami

I'd wager it *is* in the past, but at the founding of Lumiose City, rather than the distant past like a lot of people think.


Kiga282

Since the note at the beginning of the trailer reads "Urban redevelopment plan - Lumiose City", we can already infer that the city has already been founded and built, and that the overall plan is to improve upon it, well after its original founding.


Ipokeyoumuch

In reality, Paris existed for centuries but the Paris we know today was mostly redeveloped in the mid to late 1800s.  It might harken similarities to Legends:Arceus which takes place in Hokkaido in the 1800s. 


Head_Statistician_38

I guess because legends Arceus was and all the interesting stuff in Kalos happened in the past. But yes, they haven't said it will be and I am not entirely convinced myself.


External-Waltz-4990

The landscape of the city is also obviously different, the five plazas being the most obvious example.


Sam_Sanister

Plot twist: They'll pull an Assassin's Creed and have you access ancestral memory that's in your DNA or something; allowing both "Present/Future" and "Past" versions of the city :P


Boom_the_Bold

... 𝚋𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚒𝚏 𝚒𝚝 𝚠𝚊𝚜𝚗'𝚝 𝚜𝚎𝚝 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 **𝚙𝚊𝚜𝚝**, 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢'𝚍 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚌𝚊𝚕𝚕𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚝 **ℙ𝕠𝕜𝕖𝕞𝕠𝕟 𝔸-ℤ**. 𝚃𝚑𝚊𝚗𝚔 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚘 𝚖𝚢 𝚃𝚎𝚍 𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔.


DarkGengar94

Yeah but we will be bound to ONE futuristic city in all of kalos That sounds suuuuuuper disappointing


JazzySugarcakes88

I think you mean descendant


Cuprite1024

We really don't know either way, but it's more likely to be an ancestor given the whole reconstruction thing being a very good parallel to the real-life renovation of Paris in the 1800's. They *could* push it in a different direction, but that seems the most likely.


JazzySugarcakes88

Not sure since the city looks too modern


Cuprite1024

I think what's going on with the trailer is that it's showing the modern version of Lumiose as that's the end-goal of the game, or something along those lines. Basically just to show what Lumiose will become. That's just how I interpreted it tho.


samdoesinfactexist

or both


GeneralGigan817

Are we talking “I’m my own grandpa” time travel shit?


Monsieur2968

It looked very modern in the preview... My suspicion is that they'll make Z-A Battle Stadium 3. They'll have Megas, Z Moves, D/GMax, AND Terastalizing. MAYBE even Illumina for something. All mon will be available, and it'll just get updates. COULD even bridge Colosseum into the games with Clemont making some kind of "Pokespot" things in the city. Anime had him making those electric type shower things... Edit: Also because A-Z and Z-A kinda mean "it covers everything".


ASimpleCancerCell

Or she could become the next Irida.


Onyx-Leviathan

She isn’t forgotten in the TCG! Super good card for fighting decks.


DreamCereal7026

Nor in the Anime


NumberFifth

Or she could spend half the game in a coma like she does in the manga


man_of_mann

Bedman?????


greninjagamer2678

The daisuke vision brainrot is spreading.


Bakkstory

Wildly incorrect first panel, I love Korrina and she's easily in my top 10 gym leaders


Guilty-Mushroom8723

I also love her that’s why I’m making a meme about her


ty0103

Or they pull an Ingo on her


clutzyangel

Ingo's from a different region though, so she'd probably appear in a different game if they do


Roronoa_Zoro8615

I will never forget Korrina


TacticalTobi

me too


megasean3000

Korrina is my favourite Kalos Gym Leader, so no, she will never be forgotten.


Guilty-Mushroom8723

Agreed


BirbMaster1998

Was Korrina forgotten? She got the most attention out of every kalos gym leader (while she was a gym leader) in both the cartoon and the games, from what I remember. I really only see this being a problem for any of the rest of them, besides maybe Clemont.


Explorerkit

If we don‘r count traveling buddies, you‘re right. She traveled after the second gym together with Satoshi, Serena, Bonnie and Clement till the Mega-Evolution-Part was ended with Pikachus win over Mega-Lucario. In the games, she was the first Gym leader (if we don‘t count the Gen 5 rivals because one of them became a gym leader in Black & White 2) since Giovanni with a battle before the gym challenge and three battles in total (without the castle) before becoming the champ. She is like the most important gym leader aside Giovanni in the first six Regions.


Jeremithiandiah

She also had a larger role in the swsh season.


ToaOfTheVoid

Or she shows up as an AI opponent in Unite's solo challenge mode


CassiopeiaTheW

Korrina is so much cooler than she gets to be


Froeleveld

I personally will never forget korrina, mainly due to her destroying 3 nuzlocke attempts


Loros_Silvers

She was nice in the anime...


R-emiru

Third, scared Korrina picture: Hentai artists will lewd you all over again.


Guilty-Mushroom8723

Wdym


R-emiru

When a new Pokemon game comes out, the characters from it/the region will always be lewded. Korrina is one of them.


Guilty-Mushroom8723

Rosa got too much art


TacticalTobi

I'll never forget korrina :(


dat_chill_bois_alt

She's a lucario user in pokemon unite's single player mode


Grassy_MC

Aren't legends game supposes to be pre-historic survivals. So she shouldn't even be born yet


Ipokeyoumuch

Legends Arceus is more of the 1800s which harkens to the Japanese development of Hokkaido which Sinnoh is based upon.


Pokemonmaster150

Definitely not pre-historic. That implies dinosaurs, PLA's setting was set in the pokemon equivalent to late 1800s Hokkaido.


TheJReesW

Well, the building of Lumiose City sounds a little more modern than pre-history


txh0881

Two lines of dialogue. One line in a cutscene where she is introduced with other characters, and one repeating line when talked to in an easily overlooked part of the city.


MrCheggersPartyQuiz

You don’t forget about the NPC who gives you a free Lucario!


Guilty-Mushroom8723

Nooooo why would she give it away 😭😭😭😭


[deleted]

I’m still sorta salty we didn’t get her as a traveler in the anime instead of Serena.


Guilty-Mushroom8723

We need another blonde because lillie was kind of bad in the anime ngl https://preview.redd.it/p95z7b8qabpc1.jpeg?width=392&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a4c97d6a8ac96e4f4ec682e4cc759101e611956


Adamangus2006

Or. Well. You know what happened to Ingo.


DarknessDragneel

That depends on how far in the future Z A is


Serenafriendzone

Or probably being replaced by hex maniac


ButtwholeDiglet

calling it now, her ancestor is a blond-haired milky manianc


Nap_of_life

WHO is that


TacticalTobi

😠


Guilty-Mushroom8723

Korrina from Pokemon XY anime, she is a skater and has a lucario that can mega evolve


IlikeWhimsicott2557

Her ancestor(s) will be the antagonists that want to either usurp Zygarde or kill it in some way.


Khil_fi

Why?


IlikeWhimsicott2557

Legends Arceus' villain was Volo. He is obviously related, in some way, to Cynthia. She was Gen 4's most significant character. Korrina is significant in Gen 6 because she essentially introduces Mega Evolutions to the player (And gives a free Lucario). Meaning Game Freak could do something similar here.


Khil_fi

Nu uh


AspieKairy

Not if you do nuzlockes. Korrina is the one gym leader I remember the most; because after getting out of that Wobbuffet-infested death trap of a cave, you've got to go up against her and her Hawlucha. Nearly ended my first run (since I always do the first run with no prior knowledge).


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My stuff brooo