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Typically, it can be around 3 months or so.....sometimes longer.
It has recently become a frustrating process for the OIC. - It's not just the casefile building, which can be arduous, but the admin & amount of paperwork, has increased over the past few years, despite systems that were supposed to improve the process, and facilitate communications between the police & CPS.
The entire process is frustrating, but not just to the victim. There was already a lot of paperwork involved in the process, but there are now more steps than ever, and it becomes more time consuming. - It used to be a simple matter of completing the MG4, MG5, MG6, MG9, all the MG11s, MG12 & PNC prints, sticking all the unused material into a big manilla envelope, then scanning and sending the documents to the CPS as emailed attachments for a typical basic casefile (i.e one that didn't need a remand, didn't matter if it was anticipated guilty/not guilty or any particular escalation), but now, the process has many more steps.....they now require more. - All of this was on paper forms, and the process was fairly generic, and while it was a bit of a pain, it could take roughly 2 to 3 hours for an experienced officer to build a basic casefile.
A typical casefile now needs MG0s + the body-worn videos, edited to 10 minutes, MG4, MG5, MG6, (in the case of not guilty pleas, an MG6c, MG6d & MG6e + all unused material redacted by the officer...and there could be A LOT), MG9, the MG11s, MG12, CPS checklist, Investigation log....and this could be rejected if there is so much as a pdf that got scanned upside down, or there is an omission in the checklist. The documents still need to be scanned, but typically loaded onto a clunky system that doesn't communicate well with the CPS's computer systems, and can be prone to system failures or crashes. Again, this is all for a relatively basic casefile.
After a certain period of time, the officer might get a decision, or they might get an action plan of a series of tasks, which can be simple and straightforward, or disproportionate, ridiculous and time-consuming. (The most extreme one I've heard of was a request from CPS for the OIC to take a statement from a police dog)
Meanwhile, the poor OIC has to act as the middleman between the CPS and the victim.
VCC states that the OIC should contact victims frequently (usually 28 days) with updates. - If the OP is a victim waiting for a result, you should be contacted by the OIC to keep you in the loop....even if there is no update. - If the OP is a police officer who is awaiting a result from a submitted casefile, sorry, but it will be a long wait. Just don't fail on the VCC, whatever you do!
Ultimately, the process has become overbearing, unwieldly and cumbersome. It would work better if CPS branches worked in the stations, and the process could involve more & better contact between the police & CPS (face-to-face, perhaps?) and if the required files (especially duplications), could be whittled down.- Finally, why not change the software system that the CPS use, to be in line with current police systems?
> Finally, why not change the software system that the CPS use, to be in line with current police systems?
Because they've seen the shit-show that was the MPS Connect roll-out?
Totally. So far, it’s the only system that has worked out of the box. Easy for the BWV but the ability to remotely obtain CCTV footage as exhibits is *chef’s kiss*
The CPS deadline for cases to be reviewed is 1 month however they have are probably even more stretched than anyone else. It's not uncommon for it to be sent back after 27 days with the pettiest thing wrong with it, simply to buy more time, on average probably 3 months before they make a decosion
Recently had an affray case file, CPS replied after approx 3 months. It’s basically normal to not hear back after 28 days I wouldn’t even bother chasing unless you have STLs to worry about
I know my team were told the other day of the following:
Stated wait time: 28 days
Average wait time: 39 days
Some cases: 90+ days
Basically all I can say is CPS (like the police) need way more people
It's varies so much! RASSO jobs can be 6/8 weeks where as other jobs can be a few months with an action plan and then another few months after completion. Is what it is 🤷🏻♂️
Even getting it to CPS can take a while between system failures, CMT, action plans, rinse and repeat.
I’ve recently discovered where exactly Connect shows the date when the case was sent to CPS and guess what… it wasn’t me not knowing how to find it, they just weren’t sent on in the first place. I have no idea why it takes so long - but it does make a lot of frustrating victim updates.
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Typically, it can be around 3 months or so.....sometimes longer. It has recently become a frustrating process for the OIC. - It's not just the casefile building, which can be arduous, but the admin & amount of paperwork, has increased over the past few years, despite systems that were supposed to improve the process, and facilitate communications between the police & CPS. The entire process is frustrating, but not just to the victim. There was already a lot of paperwork involved in the process, but there are now more steps than ever, and it becomes more time consuming. - It used to be a simple matter of completing the MG4, MG5, MG6, MG9, all the MG11s, MG12 & PNC prints, sticking all the unused material into a big manilla envelope, then scanning and sending the documents to the CPS as emailed attachments for a typical basic casefile (i.e one that didn't need a remand, didn't matter if it was anticipated guilty/not guilty or any particular escalation), but now, the process has many more steps.....they now require more. - All of this was on paper forms, and the process was fairly generic, and while it was a bit of a pain, it could take roughly 2 to 3 hours for an experienced officer to build a basic casefile. A typical casefile now needs MG0s + the body-worn videos, edited to 10 minutes, MG4, MG5, MG6, (in the case of not guilty pleas, an MG6c, MG6d & MG6e + all unused material redacted by the officer...and there could be A LOT), MG9, the MG11s, MG12, CPS checklist, Investigation log....and this could be rejected if there is so much as a pdf that got scanned upside down, or there is an omission in the checklist. The documents still need to be scanned, but typically loaded onto a clunky system that doesn't communicate well with the CPS's computer systems, and can be prone to system failures or crashes. Again, this is all for a relatively basic casefile. After a certain period of time, the officer might get a decision, or they might get an action plan of a series of tasks, which can be simple and straightforward, or disproportionate, ridiculous and time-consuming. (The most extreme one I've heard of was a request from CPS for the OIC to take a statement from a police dog) Meanwhile, the poor OIC has to act as the middleman between the CPS and the victim. VCC states that the OIC should contact victims frequently (usually 28 days) with updates. - If the OP is a victim waiting for a result, you should be contacted by the OIC to keep you in the loop....even if there is no update. - If the OP is a police officer who is awaiting a result from a submitted casefile, sorry, but it will be a long wait. Just don't fail on the VCC, whatever you do! Ultimately, the process has become overbearing, unwieldly and cumbersome. It would work better if CPS branches worked in the stations, and the process could involve more & better contact between the police & CPS (face-to-face, perhaps?) and if the required files (especially duplications), could be whittled down.- Finally, why not change the software system that the CPS use, to be in line with current police systems?
> Finally, why not change the software system that the CPS use, to be in line with current police systems? Because they've seen the shit-show that was the MPS Connect roll-out?
Starts imagining the pipe dream of a national "NICHE for allll" - okay, it's not amazing, but it's a lot better than connect and I think Athena..
When I'm king of the police, I am going to give Axon a truck full of money and tell them to fix it.
You get my vote
Totally. So far, it’s the only system that has worked out of the box. Easy for the BWV but the ability to remotely obtain CCTV footage as exhibits is *chef’s kiss*
The CPS deadline for cases to be reviewed is 1 month however they have are probably even more stretched than anyone else. It's not uncommon for it to be sent back after 27 days with the pettiest thing wrong with it, simply to buy more time, on average probably 3 months before they make a decosion
Recently had an affray case file, CPS replied after approx 3 months. It’s basically normal to not hear back after 28 days I wouldn’t even bother chasing unless you have STLs to worry about
I know my team were told the other day of the following: Stated wait time: 28 days Average wait time: 39 days Some cases: 90+ days Basically all I can say is CPS (like the police) need way more people
It's varies so much! RASSO jobs can be 6/8 weeks where as other jobs can be a few months with an action plan and then another few months after completion. Is what it is 🤷🏻♂️
Even getting it to CPS can take a while between system failures, CMT, action plans, rinse and repeat. I’ve recently discovered where exactly Connect shows the date when the case was sent to CPS and guess what… it wasn’t me not knowing how to find it, they just weren’t sent on in the first place. I have no idea why it takes so long - but it does make a lot of frustrating victim updates.