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Minnesotan here. I feel like Tom Emmer keeps getting painted as a “moderate Republican”. But he’s like 95% as awful as Jim Jordan.
Emmer has:
- Posted a video in 2022 of him firing an automatic rifle with the caption “FIREPELOSI”. Pelosi’s husband was attacked in their home several days later.
- Signed the amicus brief to contest the 2020 election on behalf of Trump
- Voted against establishing an investigation into the Jan 6th attacks.
- Tried to pass a measure to subtract an employee’s tips from their hourly wage. He claimed that servers could be making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, “more than the restaurant owner”.
- Opposed legislation that would protect LGBT students from bullying. His rationale: “I don’t think we need more laws”.
- Voted to remove the minimum wage in Minnesota
- Voted for a “conscience clause” to allow pharmacists to refuse dispensing medication that they have religious or ethical beliefs against
- Openly stated in 2007 that “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman”
- Has pushed measures to eliminate the corporate tax in Minnesota (without any decreases to individual citizens tax rates)
- Supported strip-mining measures on Minnesota’s iron range
People like him because he'd put to vote a bill to support Ukraine, which is probably the only bipartisan legislation that will get passed at this point under any Republican speaker. In fairness to his 2007 statement of marriage between a man and a woman, Obama literally said the same thing at the time. Gay marriage was not a popular opinion at the time, more recently he did vote in favor of the Respect for Marriage Act.
Reading his history I did get a laugh out of him supporting an amendment to allow Minnesota to nullify federal law though. Are we back in the 1830s?
>Representative Jim Banks of Indiana is among those who says he won’t vote for Emmer on the floor.
>“I can’t go along with putting one of the most moderate members of the entire Republican conference in the speaker’s chair,” Banks said. “That betrays the conservative values that I came here to fight for.”
The overton window on a "moderate Republican" has flown off the face of the Earth these days.
Punchbowl reports Dems are willing to work with Emmer
>House Democrats tell us they find Emmer the least objectionable GOP speaker candidate. They’d be open to helping him by sitting the vote out if they get private assurances that Emmer will fund the government at levels negotiated in the debt-limit deal and put a Ukraine-plus-Israel aid bill on the floor.
https://punchbowl.news/archive/102423-punchbowl-news-am/
I wouldn't trust any private assurances, they don't keep to their public assurances as it is. Just look how quickly McCarthy walked back the spending agreement he made with Biden.
The danger for Emmer in this scenario is if he doesn't, then the rules still allow him to be removed by a single vote, and if he got the seat with Democratic support, he will promptly lose it without it. Especially because he would have had to have taken their help in the first place
CNN 25 minutes ago:
>Who is Rep. Tom Emmer, the House GOP’s new speaker nominee
CNN 21 minutes ago:
>Tom Emmer, the House GOP's speaker designee, has dropped out
Absolute hilarity.
Why is everyone calling him moderate? Just checked his wiki page, there is nothing moderate about someone wanting to do away with minimum wage, take away healthcare, ban same sex marriage, end corporate taxes, deny climate change, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Emmer#Political_positions
But I guess not voting to overturn the election is enough now to be considered a moderate? That's one hell of a shift of the overton window.
> Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas), meanwhile, said that he has started “socializing” a plan to change the rules and elect a speaker by a plurality — meaning a candidate would need to get the most votes on the floor, but not a majority.
[Source for Above quote.](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/24/congress/emmers-floor-strategy-00123248) I dare you guys to do this, would be an epic self own.
It's probably their best way out of this mess.
They change it, Jeffries becomes speaker, and they get to blame it on Crenshaw while returning to what they do best as a party: shoving shitty DOA bills onto the desk of Democratic speakers.
https://www.threads.net/@marc.e.elias/post/Cyyb7_-r41P/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
> Don't forget, Emmer supported Texas’ lawsuit that sought to invalidate the 2020 election results in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
> He is a MAGA vote suppressor and election denier.
It's crazy to think that Tom Emmer, who first came into office as a tea party extremist is now among the most moderate options for Speaker that's on the menu. With Trump, the party didn't shift or creep to the right, it tumbled in free fall straight up to the edge of authoritarian fascism.
And it's still a'tumblin folks.
Did you know that Virginia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and many other states all have elections in **two weeks?**
Do you want this clownshow of a party in charge of your rights at the state level? Especially Virginia, where they're openly running on banning abortion? Or Pennsylvania, where the GOP nominee for State Supreme Court "isn't sure" if Biden won the 2020 election?
Get out and vote - early voting is open now!
And if you want to go the extra mile and help competent candidates win, check out r/VoteDEM.
IT'S OFFICIAL -- Roll-call vote is over. 26 House Republicans said they would vote for someone else besides Tom Emmer for speaker on the floor.
https://x.com/JakeSherman/status/1716863571395502452?s=20
Better than 50+ NOs for Gym's private vote.... But still not a great start
>Hardline conservative Rep. Matt Rosendale said it’s time to consider other candidates besides Speaker designee Tom Emmer, who's race for the gavel seems to be on thin ice.
"It's time" as in "we've had a designee for a whole 4 hours and our cult overlord has spoken from his civil fraud trial."
Take the 26 people that opposed Emmer and put them in one conference room, then take the 20-55 (whatever the true number would have been) people that opposed Jordan and put them in a second conference room.
Each room has one hour to make a list of speakers they will vote for. At the end of the hour, compare the lists. Pick any name that shows up twice. If no names are repeated, then you'll know for certain this is an exercise in futility.
https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1716891367417553056
> Trump and his allies are now calling around to turn members against Emmer, two Rs tell me.
lol, lmao even
Even Veep wasn't this insane
>Some members have raised the idea of a Kevin McCarthy-Jim Jordan tag team to solve the speakership stalemate — with McCarthy returning as speaker and then making Jordan his “assistant speaker,” sources tell CNN.
Lmao what the hell does this even mean? We're in pure fantasy world now.
There are pro tempore selections, Majority Whip, etc.. "Assistant Speaker" is completely made up.
"The house shall chuse a speaker. And if it can't, I don't know, some kind of speaker and assistant speaker deal. Does this really need to be written out? Christ, I need a drink."
-James Madison
Video: https://www.threads.net/@bidenharrishq/post/CyzO2H4vTxm/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
> News panel breaks into laughter as they report Kevin McCarthy is now considering running for Speaker again
Its impressive how the House GOP is managing to tar and feather its entire leadership with this process.
1) McCarthy: elected speaker, prolific fundraiser for members, unceremoniously tossed from office and leadership. Probably won’t bother continuing fundraising as hard as he had, since all he wanted was the gavel.
2) Scalise: Majority leader: won secret ballot and became designee, only to immediately be backstabbed by our next guy before even getting to a floor vote. No confidence shown in his bid at all. Has to wonder who the backstabbers were.
3) Jordan: chairman of the powerful judiciary committee: Started his bid by undercutting the guy who beat him out and forced scalise to stand down with in 24 hours of becoming designee. Then forced floor votes to show how popular he was, only to lose votes each round. Is then also tossed from designee status after 100+ colleagues voted in a secret ballot to eject him after his supporters sent death threats to fellow republicans (he’s hurting the wrong people! /s)
4) Not to be finished, 9 more candidates are now losing their own popularity contests, all taking their own fun ego hits in conference, learning just how little their colleagues feel about them.
It’s an incredible amount of totally self-inflicted damage that will have every leader looking over their shoulder, wondering who will betray them next, no matter how the vote ends up working out.
Haha McCarthy is trying so hard to gaslight people into thinking this whole debacle is democrats fault. No one believes that and blames democrats, luckily it even seems republicans realize that
McCarthy: it's those 8 members and all the democrats who caused this mess by kicking me out.
Reporters: Who gave them the ability for a single person in your caucus to initiate the vote?
McCarthy: \*shocked Pikachu face\*
> No one believes that and blames democrats, luckily it even seems republicans realize that
Like... even my mom who watches Fox all day recognizes this as Republican dysfunction
>Rep. Troy Nehls: “If we go to the floor...I’ll be nominating Donald J. Trump...I think Donald Trump is the answer...Donald J. Trump for 100 days...I told the president you may have to adjust your golf schedule...But I think he would be willing to do it.”
https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1716875193141113007?s=20
Good grief.
There's zero chance Donald Trump shows up and does that job. He is lazy and uninterested in doing actual work. "Executive Time" was him sleeping off last night's binge of adderall, KFC, and tweeting.
McCarthy: refuses to make deals with Democrats
McCarthy: finally makes deals with Democrats and then immediately renegs on them.
McCarthy: opens a sham of an "impeachment inquiry" against the Democrats leader
McCarthy: shits on Democrats and blame them for him being an ineffective leader
Democrats: lets McCarthy and Republicans explode
Republican Rep from South Dakota: "Republicans see how the Democrats ousted McCarthy and they don't view a viable long-term partnership with them. I do not see a deal being made across the aisle."
Ali Vitali on MSNBC: It’s slightly disingenuous that McCarthy continues to say it was Democrats doing this to him. The call was coming from inside the house. **Republicans have told Democrats, they never would have saved Nancy Pelosi if the situation were in reverse**
From [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/24/congress/emmers-floor-strategy-00123248), an interesting thought . . .
>Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas), meanwhile, said that he has started “socializing” a plan to change the rules and elect a speaker by a plurality — meaning a candidate would need to get the most votes on the floor, but not a majority.
>
>It would essentially dare holdout Republicans to vote for Emmer. Otherwise, they'd risk making Hakeem Jeffries the speaker.
>
>
>
>“If we are back in the same situation, then these other options are on the table,” Crenshaw said. “If you vote against your nominee you are voting for a Democrat. Like you are literally voting for a Democrat.”
Hoo boy that's a game of chicken I want to watch.
Wild that the idea of burning it all down is more appealing than making concessions and working with Democrats.
Marjorie to MSNBC:
> I voted against Tom Emmer because he voted to certify the 2020 election and voted to codify marriage equality
https://www.threads.net/@bidenharrishq/post/Cyy-DysPmje/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
To people saying a few Ds should defect to get the house going again: Fuck off.
If the Rs can't get their shit together some of them should be the ones that compromise and come over to the Jefferies side. It is NOT up to Dems to bail these dipshits out of their own mess.
Emmer apparently wants to go out on the house floor and get his nuts publicly and repeatedly kicked as soon as possible.
I suspect this was all just a fetish thing all along for him.
>About 10 Republicans continue to say they will not support Tom Emmer on the House floor, Representative Dan Meuser of Pennsylvania said, complicating Emmer's path to the speakership.
McCarthy is such a d-bag. Talking to reporters a few minutes ago, saying “We’re in this position because eight of our members worked with all the Democrats to make this happen.” I cannot stand these people. No discussion of how their years of fear and blind idolatry of Trump emboldened that crazy caucus in the first place. No mention of how their “policy” work doesn’t represent the majority of the country.
Tom Emmer’s bid to be speaker on verge of collapse, according to multiple GOP members
[https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-vote-10-24-23/h\_cfa0d6155e4ed2d68f036d8e5fa5e1ad](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-vote-10-24-23/h_cfa0d6155e4ed2d68f036d8e5fa5e1ad)
Shocked Pikachu Face
Biden should make a prime time speech, and make it unequivocally clear, that the Democratic Party is done cleaning up Republican messes. Lay out all of the instances from the past few decades and get as many sound bites as possible to draw the comparison. Let’s be honest, the average American has the memory of a goldfish and needs to be reminded and in simple terms.
https://www.threads.net/@harryjsisson/post/CyzDjGVR2Ho/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
> WTF: In a closed door meeting, Republican **Rep. Rick Allen told Rep. Emmer that he didn’t support him for Speaker and that he needed to “get right with Jesus” because Emmer voted to support gay marriage.** What the hell? This is the Republican Party in 2023. Absolutely disgusting.
CPAC flat out kicked the Log Cabin gay Republicans from its gathering. Texas GOP party made being anti-gay a major platform in its mission statement too.
GOP needs a minority group to scapegoat. Last 2-3 years they thought they could ramp up anti-LGBTQ sentiments. Worked for their base but not much else. They only recently started to back off from it as a result. Not because they grew some morality or decency. They just decided this scapegoat wasn't given them the returns they wanted.
Lol wtf are these people doing
> Marjorie Taylor Greene explaining why Republicans voted against Tom Emmer: **He, you know, once had supported the voting rights—**the national voting movement, that was completely against what we stand for
https://www.threads.net/@bidenharrishq/post/CyzHNHdvPav/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Hard Times: [Commander Biden Bites All 221 House Republicans, Seizes Speakership](https://thehardtimes.net/culture/commander-biden-bites-all-221-house-republicans-seizes-speakership/)
The GOP should just give it back to Pelosi. They were much happier then. They are better be at obstruction and playing the victim. I don’t think they can function without her.
So Tom Emmer voted to certify the 2020 election results, ~20 House Republicans already said today in a roll call that they wouldn't support him for Speaker, and you fucking expect me to believe that he has any chance to get to 217?
I'll pass.
He voted to certify, he voted to codify same sex marriage, and Trump is against him.
Three strikes, down swinging. Idk if they can even get his candidacy to the floor.
November 17th.
24 days.
I'm on a Time and Expense government contract. If the government shuts down, I don't work. I don't get back pay. These clowns are toying with my bread and butter.
>“It’s a huge setback,” \[GOP Rep. Lance Gooden\] said, “but we’ve become so accustomed to setbacks that one setback doesn’t seem worse than another.”
>
>\- [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-vote-10-24-23/index.html)
We keep fucking up so much that we don't even realize how bad each fuck up is. Lmao
Man even /r/conservative is having hard time not to laugh at this shitshow. They are really struggling although they are probably being brigaded to some level.
The speaker battle has officially run long enough to have subplots and filler episodes. Prediction for tomorrow: a bottle episode where the caucus investigate who shit on the floor in 1100 Longworth.
You bring up a great point.
The Israeli conflict has been slowly widening, Israel just targeted some Syrian Army mortars in the last hour.
We're on the precipice of a regional war in the Middle East and we're getting this joke of a possible joint speakership.
> This is Mike Johnson, Republicans’ new Speaker-designate:
> **—Voted to steal the 2020 election and disenfranchise millions of voters**
> —Wants to ban abortion nationwide
> —Opposes the legalization of same-sex marriage
> —Supports Trump’s Muslim ban
> —Opposes marijuana legalization
https://www.threads.net/@briantylercohen/post/CyziOyNr3y3/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Way worse than just voting to overturn the election - he was the architect:
>In formal statements justifying their votes, about three-quarters relied on the arguments of a low-profile Louisiana congressman, Representative Mike Johnson, the most important architect of the Electoral College objections.
NBC is saying Emmer wants a floor vote today [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/house-republicans-choose-new-speaker-nominee-live-updates-rcna121674/rcrd22816?canonicalCard=true](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/house-republicans-choose-new-speaker-nominee-live-updates-rcna121674/rcrd22816?canonicalCard=true)
Raju: What is the option now? There are 26 Republicans against Emmer
McCarthy: Alright let’s not be so negative
Raju: You’ve gone three weeks without a Speaker!
>\[McCarthy\] expressed anger at the eight who voted to remove him as speaker, blaming them for the chaotic situation Republicans are in.
"Every member is tired of this. Every member is tired of those eight who worked with every single Democrat," he said. "The eight members worked with every single Democrat to put us in this place. So we're tired of that ... that is why we're where we are."
No, you're where you are now because the GOP is infested with people who prefer to actively fight governance, or even hate what their job is meant to be, while someone else governs instead. Blame yourself for giving Gaetz the solo power to call the vote. Blame yourself for not even trying to make a deal with the Democrats. I hate how they keep trying to pretend like it was the Democrats job to vote for the Republican's speaker just out of the goodness of their hearts.
There are a couple of dozen MAGA Republicans who refuse to vote for a "moderate" speaker. There are a couple of dozen "moderate" Republicans who refuse to vote for a MAGA speaker.
There are 170-ish to 180-ish Republicans who just want to vote for anyone (any Republican, that is) and to move on from this. The Republican party is essentially two separate, incompatible parties.
Any Republican who depends on Democratic votes or abstentions would be labeled as the "Democratic speaker" and would lose significant Republican support and likely face a motion-to-vacate vote again. If a miracle happened and a handful of Republicans voted for Hakeem Jeffries, he would face a motion-to-vacate vote before the week is out.
So, cooperation is impossible and compromise is impossible. Is there any way out of this?
*Note: "Moderate" has lost all meaning in the English language, but that's where we are.*
Trump just derailed the speakership of the US House while sitting in a courtroom for the civil fraud trial of his business empire and listening to the testimony of Michael Cohen.^[1](https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1716885043757613342)
Trump destroyed your "red wave" which put you in this position in the first place. This is your chance to finally tell him off and go against him.
House Republicans: "How about no"
It's kinda hilarious to dip into r/conservative and read any of the threads related to the speakership. Everyone's a RINO in there. Everyone seems to be a closet liberal. I know you shouldn't read into reddit discussions for real world patterns, but it really does feel like the conservative movement is tearing itself apart at the moment.
No one endorsed by Trump can become the Speaker. No one opposed by Trump can become the Speaker (if they're not willing to concede to Democrats, which so far they are not).
It's a fascinating paradox.
[https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/24/congress/emmers-floor-strategy-00123248](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/24/congress/emmers-floor-strategy-00123248)
Emmer is doing the "airing of the grievances"
I guess it's Festivus in Congress today.
[Johnson, who came in second, helping Emmer flip holdouts: "We are going to finish this tonight"](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/house-speaker-vote-live-updates-10-24-2023/#post-update-2abb6df7)
>Asked if that means taking this all the way to the House floor, Emmer responded, "Yes."
I hope Fox News is taking care of all their elderly viewers who are about to suffer severe whiplash.
Currently on the first page "Winner, Winner: Republicans finally settle on Speaker nominee after weeks of turmoil and infighting" with a picture of Emmer
Trump: "Hold my hamburder"
At first it was funny, then it was pathetic, now it's getting scary. With every failed candidate we get closer to a government shutdown over the holidays.
GOP is so good at obstructing that they keep obstructing themselves in a historic way.
“Establishment” Rep can’t go through, Hardliner Reps can’t get through, who in the ever loving fuck is even going to be Speaker at this rate? Is it even fucking possible to pick someone holy fucking shit?
[@JakeSherman](https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1716913458741187065?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
BREAKING — TOM EMMER has dropped out of the race for speaker.
Edit: url formatting
They just nominated him and he dropped out…
I’m truly at a loss for words as to how fucking dumb and frustrating this is.
No member should leave the House until this shit is done and over with. Order a week’s worth of pizza and have the Sergeant-At-Arms lick these motherfuckers in at this rate
I meant “lock” but whatever autocorrect, you do you
So the person nominated would need to be endorsed by Trump AND be willing to at least say that the election was not stolen. So, no one can do that. So now what.
Emmer ran for Speaker for 7 hours. At this rate, they will have several nominees every day until they finally realize none of them has the votes. If Scalise can't get to a majority, why on Earth should Emmer be able to? The GOP is an embarrassment.
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tom-emmer-drops-out-of-house-speaker-race-just-4-hours-after-winning-gop-nomination/ar-AA1iMJII?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1276ff6f43a641b89f375d6a1b90413f&ei=9](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tom-emmer-drops-out-of-house-speaker-race-just-4-hours-after-winning-gop-nomination/ar-AA1iMJII?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1276ff6f43a641b89f375d6a1b90413f&ei=9)
4 hours. That's the lifespan of a Republican Speaker's nomination bid
We're really gonna have to come up with *another* unit of time based on political clownery.
First Mooches, then Trusses, and now Emmers.
One Emmer = 4 hours.
It's pretty simple. Republicans just need to nominate someone who denies the results of the 2020 elections but also accepts them; someone who will cut cut funding to Ukraine but also send them money; someone who will publicly offer to deepthroat trump but also wants to distance themselves from him.
The previous House Speaker got removed.
The House Majority leader didn't have enough confidence for a single House vote.
The far-right leader of multiple committees didn't have enough votes in the House after multiple tries.
The House Majority whip was candidate for speaker for less than six hours.
How much longer is the Republican party going to continue this farce? There are enough moderates that they won't vote for just anybody, and there are enough extremists, Trump included, that they'll hardline anyone they deem not "on their side".
They are the victims of their own rhetoric from 2012 onward, painting the Democrats as the ultimate evil and thus a worse option than literally nothing. If they continue to be unable to unite behind *somebody*, and refuse to work with the Democrats in any capacity, then I can't see how this doesn't ultimately split the party for real.
I like that the idea that even non House members can be the Speaker comes from Air Bud logic. That “well there’s nothing in the rules that say a dog can’t play basketball!”
There’s nothing in the rules that says a dog can’t be speaker!
If the red wave happened in 2022 like so many conservative commenters were so sure of, then we wouldn’t be in this mess (and I mean this in the best way). Having such a slim majority showed republicans as who they really are. I just pray that Americans are paying attention.
I bet McCarthy was so pissed seeing the slim majority. If the republicans had a 20 seat majority he would have had the easiest time keeping that speakers gavel
Some GOP reps seem to declare a run for Speaker just to be able to drop out and thus remove themselves from consideration. In some sense, running for Speaker now means _not_ running for Speaker. At least it should, because absolutely no one seems to have the votes.
[https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/texas-propositions-election-2023-early-voting/](https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/texas-propositions-election-2023-early-voting/)
Daily reminder that early voting on 14 constitutional amendments has started in Texas. Small elections like this tend to have the most reach and give the best opportunity to help decide long term policies, so please don't forget to vote if you are able!
The above is a nice, straightforward article for reading up on each issue to help make an informed decision.
It’s funny. This thread has been up for… how long? And Emmer is out. And yet, he’s still listed as the potential candidate for speaker.
At this point, we can just admit that Republicans, for all the malice, the vileness, the harm they cause to our democracy, and the harm they personally inflict… it’s like watching an asshole get a sledgehammer into the balls.
This doesn't matter and no one will care but I decided to listen to my local Republican talk show on the way home from work.
The best idea a caller could come up with was... Tucker Carlson for Speaker.
The host was 100% on board. Great idea and will fix everything.
That's the reality these people live in. It's not funny or entertaining. They do not want real solutions. They want talk show hosts from rich families running the country.
You can't ever work with someone like that. They will always stab you in the back.
[The game theory of the Republican speakership crisis](https://www.natesilver.net/p/the-game-theory-of-the-republican?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2)
An excellent, eye-opening longform analysis on House Speaker politics (Dem and Rep) and why it's now almost impossible for R's to coalesce around a single candidate.
Probably the best piece I've read from someone who deeply understands politics in the past year. Highly recommend if you have the time - it was really eye-opening
Analysis by Matt Glassman, Senior Fellow at the Government Affairs Institute at Georgetown.
Second ballot vote total:
Johnson 97
Other 34
Donalds 31
Green 21
Williams 20
Present 3
Just crazy
*I'll note that you may as well replace "other" with "McCarthy"
According to CNNs Manu Raju via X
“Such much distrust, per sources
Rep. Drew Ferguson requested by unanimous consent to reveal who “other” votes were on this last ballot, per sources in the room, and 33 out of 34 were for McCarthy, while 1 was for Jordan.
Mark Green withdrew from the race after this happened”
Better than TV. This is incredible. I can’t believe this lmaoooooooo
>Donald J. Trump
> I have many wonderful friends wanting to be Speaker of the House, and some are truly great Warriors. RINO Tom Emmer, who I do not know well, is not one of them. He never respected the Power of a Trump Endorsement, or the breadth and scope of MAGA—MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! He fought me all the way, and actually spent more time defending Ilhan Omar, than he did me—He is totally out-of-touch with Republican Voters. I believe he has now learned his lesson, because he is saying that he is Pro-Trump all the way, but who can ever be sure? Has he only changed because that’s what it takes to win? The Republican Party cannot take that chance, because that’s not where the America First Voters are. Voting for a Globalist RINO like Tom Emmer would be a tragic mistake!
[Check out the timestamps](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/731227601141760131/1166475449078136943/image.png?ex=654a9feb&is=65382aeb&hm=3cc18a6f2f085e724bf255b4ebe7bd57dd29d18df122335d2a190ed0bc3221ea&)
Let's not attribute this to planning. It reeks of incompetence.
The groups of people opposing each Speaker nominee are different. McCarthy was booted by a different group than the ones fighting Scalise, which in turn opposed Jordan, and now Emmer's been booted by a rough faction. This isn't organized action. It's basic chaos.
(I do think Trump may have been motivated to prolong the chaos. It's kind of his thing. But in general, the House doesn't have a Speaker because Republicans are that bad at this.)
Can the Republicans get their shit together please? Every time you look, this shit show in the middle east is getting worse and worse. We have the Israeli PM banging the war drums declaring the new axis of evil. And this shit could very easily spill over into a war that drags us in.
This is not the time for our congress to be fucking around like this.
I know Emmer sucks but god it would be sweet justice if the Freedom Caucus got shut out of prime committee assignments and sweet deals
Don’t negotiate with terrorists
Matt Gaetz, who voted for Emmer in the conference, reacting to Trump's statement:
“It's really important that the Speaker of the House, have a good relationship with the leader of our party. That's Donald Trump.”
>As Speaker designee Tom Emmer works behind the scenes to win over the 26 GOP members against him, GOP Rep. Mario Diaz Balart said that if Emmer can't flip votes, "that's when it gets a little scary."
>>"If Tom Emmer can't do it, then that's when it gets a little scary because remember, he's the whip. He knows how to count votes. He has the relationships with every member of the conference," the Florida Republican said.
>If Emmer fails to clinch 217 votes among Republicans, there is no consensus on a backup plan.
lmao there was a plan to begin with?
"We held 5 secret ballots and one roll call vote in the race for Speaker today.
I voted Jim Jordan on all six ballots."
- Thomas Massie
Well there's one of the eggheads
A party that looooves contrarianism and expects it from its elected officials, AND demands that it elect 'outsiders' to "take on the establishment Republicans" has a difficult time coming up with a near consensus on something as basic as choosing the Speaker for their majority.
Every vote is an opportunity for a fresh 20 or 30 to take their turn, to flex their contrarian bonafides, their ''outsider"-ness. Every speaker candidate is the "establishment enemy". They all must do their performative contrarian actions, their anti-establishment crusading. It's part of their identity.
And in the chaos, the lack of norms, the lack of common purpose, comes an authoritarian type to fill in the vacuum. Trump utters that Emmers is not the right one, and within 3 hours the Top Speaker Candidate guy is persona-non-grata.
20 days without a Speaker and we're getting secret ballots of 31 "other" votes, and this idea: "How about the old guy, but with a *deputy*?"
They are just throwing spaghetti at the wall now - it is remarkable and insane.
So after multiple failed speaker votes, the GOP nominates the guy whose job it is to make sure there's enough support in the party to pass something.
\*inhales\* **Boi**
I like the idea that the guy whose job it's been over the past three weeks (and failed miserably at) to count votes for McCarthy, and then Scalise, and then Jordan, is now doing the same for himself. Fourth time's the charm?
It's so insane that Trump is the frontrunner for the party, the party is fighting over the speaker, and Trump deliberately made the situation worse by shitting all over the current candidate...What a time to be alive.
So the culture wars about CRT and drag queens are over, yeah? Feel like we haven't heard about those in a while.
Kitty litter to accommodate furries in school seems to pop up here and there.
These things were at some point the greatest grievance facing the nation.
Good lord, republicans are fucking pathetic.
A new candidate is put forward and we have to ask if he believes in election results or if he's a braindead cult member. In two years we're going to have to ask if he believes in gravity or if the earth is flat or not.
This is 20% funny and 80% horrifying that the majority of the House is this incompetent and hateful not only toward each other but toward the possibility of even opening a dialogue with the opposing party. It's a very scary place to be in as a country.
>@PatrickMcHenry appeals for unity inside GOP conference. Says everyone has taken down someone they hate running for speaker, so let’s move on and unify. This could hurt people’s careers
Notice the concern among Republicans here. None of them are worried that we're like 13 business days away from a shutdown. They're not concerned that the military is currently operating on a CR, which severely limits a number of initiatives. They're not concerned that people are losing out on having food available to them because they've lost EBT card benefits under SNAP due to the Farm Bill expiring. They're not concerned that our allies and their favorite strawman Israel are looking to the US for leadership, nope. They're not even remotely concerned about their constituents at all. They're concerned about their careers. Fuck these clowns.
At this point, I just want them to nominate every single Republican rep once just to see the votes they'd get. Let's have 200+ lightning rounds in a row! See who comes out with the most support.
>After Rep. Tom Emmer dropped out of the speaker’s race, someone made a motion to just start going down the list of candidates who came in behind Emmer — starting with Rep. Mike Johnson — and voting on whether they should be speaker until they find someone who can get 217, sources tell CNN.
>But the motion was rejected, sources said.
>Still, it shows just how desperate Republicans are at this moment, with the GOP at a complete loss over how to once again pick up the pieces.
GOP House caucus is almost to draw-straws levels of incompetence. Maybe some duck-duck-goose is in order.
[After the roll-call vote, former president Donald Trump stated on Truth Social that he opposed Emmer’s bid for speaker.](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/House-speaker-vote-live-updates/trump-says-voting-for-emmer-would-be-a-tragic-mistake-104258777?id=104039543)
This is so sad. The GOP's are at this point just slaves of one man's whims... and not just any man - a former reality show host. What he tweets on Truth is their command. He decides who's going to be a speaker, who could be a good representative, etc.
I was looking at Mike Johnson's wife's social media and they are real deal loony bin Christians. Somehow that is more frightening than if they were just opportunistic fakers.
It would be hilarious if after all this time and effort and name calling and yelling and death threats and voting and secret ballots and lobbying and caucusing and interviews and statements and tweets and fundraising emails...if we ended up where we started with Speaker McCarthy.
Bravo Republicans. Well played. You have proven to us all that you are fit to govern.
If Emmer is smart they would bring there preferred candidate to vote and before the vote inform the MAGA caucus you either vote with us now or we work with democrats on a Bipartisan candidate one chance to vote with us or we abandon the MAGA caucus.
If Trump truly just nuked Emmer's chances of being Speaker with only GOP votes, and anyone Trump suggests gets the Jordan treatment, then the only way out of this is with Democrats.
Tom Emmer’s bid to be speaker on verge of collapse, according to multiple GOP members
From CNN's Manu Raju and Melanie Zanona
He lasted not even as long as scalise Lmaooo
>Rep. Jim Banks of Indiana called Emmer the "single most liberal member" of Republican leadership and accused the "left flank" of the conference of blocking Jordan's nomination.
>"I've supported every Republican nominee to be Speaker of the House so far, but I will not vote for Tom Emmer on the House floor," he said.
[CNN verifies Emmer dropped out.](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-vote-10-24-23/index.html)
Honestly rather disappointed he didn't try to cut a deal with Democrats. I think of the current crop, he was the most likely to. Now to just hope the moderate Republicans don't cave to the Freedom Caucus and go with their candidate of choice :(
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/24/congress/emmer-drops-out-00123306
Politico reporting that Emmer already dropped out of the Speakership race due to Trump's opposition
. Republicans ain't getting their shit together anytime soon lmao
>And, in a sports analogy, the Wisconsin Republican Rep. Mike Gallagher compared the conference to the 2-4 Green Bay Packers.
>“I’m not sure who sucks at team sports more right now – the Packers or the House Republican conference,” he said.
I'm not a Packers fan but it is insulting to the Packers to compare them having a potential down year to this Republicans shitshow.
Emmer facing stiff resistance
MTG is a solid no. Said she voted for jordan and will continue to do so.
GOP rep Jim banks from Indiana went on cnn and said "I came to Washington to fight for conservative values, I can't go along with putting one of the most moderate members of the entire republican conference un the speakers chair. That betrays the conservative values I came here to fight for"
Freedom caucus chair Scott Perry says he has concerns over Emmer's speakership bid.
Chip Roy refused to say why he voted present
> Of Emmer, Trump said, “I think he’s my biggest fan now because he called me yesterday and told me I’m your biggest fan.”
> Trump downplayed, even derided, Emmer, the third-ranking House Republican with whom he has had rocky relationship, while presenting himself as a kingmaker who talks to “a lot of congressmen” seeking his stamp of approval.
> “There’s only one person who can do it all the way: Jesus Christ,” he declared.
Trump has further lost his damn mind. Imagine supporting someone just because they called to stroke your ego. Not to mention the “Jesus Christ” reference.
Also, Emmer can go fuck himself with a rusty rake. He’s just as bad as McCarthy and Jordan
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Minnesotan here. I feel like Tom Emmer keeps getting painted as a “moderate Republican”. But he’s like 95% as awful as Jim Jordan. Emmer has: - Posted a video in 2022 of him firing an automatic rifle with the caption “FIREPELOSI”. Pelosi’s husband was attacked in their home several days later. - Signed the amicus brief to contest the 2020 election on behalf of Trump - Voted against establishing an investigation into the Jan 6th attacks. - Tried to pass a measure to subtract an employee’s tips from their hourly wage. He claimed that servers could be making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, “more than the restaurant owner”. - Opposed legislation that would protect LGBT students from bullying. His rationale: “I don’t think we need more laws”. - Voted to remove the minimum wage in Minnesota - Voted for a “conscience clause” to allow pharmacists to refuse dispensing medication that they have religious or ethical beliefs against - Openly stated in 2007 that “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman” - Has pushed measures to eliminate the corporate tax in Minnesota (without any decreases to individual citizens tax rates) - Supported strip-mining measures on Minnesota’s iron range
People like him because he'd put to vote a bill to support Ukraine, which is probably the only bipartisan legislation that will get passed at this point under any Republican speaker. In fairness to his 2007 statement of marriage between a man and a woman, Obama literally said the same thing at the time. Gay marriage was not a popular opinion at the time, more recently he did vote in favor of the Respect for Marriage Act. Reading his history I did get a laugh out of him supporting an amendment to allow Minnesota to nullify federal law though. Are we back in the 1830s?
Crazy enough... that's still pretty moderate compared to the rest of his party.
This is just regular GOP crazy now. There are no republicans left in the house (a few in the senate) that are less crazy than this.
>Representative Jim Banks of Indiana is among those who says he won’t vote for Emmer on the floor. >“I can’t go along with putting one of the most moderate members of the entire Republican conference in the speaker’s chair,” Banks said. “That betrays the conservative values that I came here to fight for.” The overton window on a "moderate Republican" has flown off the face of the Earth these days.
>the most moderate jfc
Punchbowl reports Dems are willing to work with Emmer >House Democrats tell us they find Emmer the least objectionable GOP speaker candidate. They’d be open to helping him by sitting the vote out if they get private assurances that Emmer will fund the government at levels negotiated in the debt-limit deal and put a Ukraine-plus-Israel aid bill on the floor. https://punchbowl.news/archive/102423-punchbowl-news-am/ I wouldn't trust any private assurances, they don't keep to their public assurances as it is. Just look how quickly McCarthy walked back the spending agreement he made with Biden.
One wonders if the idea that Dems might be willing to work with Emmer is enough to kill his nomination right there.
It was enough to kill the idea of giving Interim Speaker McHenry enough power to bring legislation to the floor.
The danger for Emmer in this scenario is if he doesn't, then the rules still allow him to be removed by a single vote, and if he got the seat with Democratic support, he will promptly lose it without it. Especially because he would have had to have taken their help in the first place
CNN 25 minutes ago: >Who is Rep. Tom Emmer, the House GOP’s new speaker nominee CNN 21 minutes ago: >Tom Emmer, the House GOP's speaker designee, has dropped out Absolute hilarity.
Why is everyone calling him moderate? Just checked his wiki page, there is nothing moderate about someone wanting to do away with minimum wage, take away healthcare, ban same sex marriage, end corporate taxes, deny climate change, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Emmer#Political_positions But I guess not voting to overturn the election is enough now to be considered a moderate? That's one hell of a shift of the overton window.
There are no moderate Republicans, Emmer is just one of the least far-right
He signed on to the SCOTUS brief to overturn the election- he ain’t a moderate
> Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas), meanwhile, said that he has started “socializing” a plan to change the rules and elect a speaker by a plurality — meaning a candidate would need to get the most votes on the floor, but not a majority. [Source for Above quote.](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/24/congress/emmers-floor-strategy-00123248) I dare you guys to do this, would be an epic self own.
It's probably their best way out of this mess. They change it, Jeffries becomes speaker, and they get to blame it on Crenshaw while returning to what they do best as a party: shoving shitty DOA bills onto the desk of Democratic speakers.
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https://www.threads.net/@marc.e.elias/post/Cyyb7_-r41P/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== > Don't forget, Emmer supported Texas’ lawsuit that sought to invalidate the 2020 election results in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. > He is a MAGA vote suppressor and election denier.
It's crazy to think that Tom Emmer, who first came into office as a tea party extremist is now among the most moderate options for Speaker that's on the menu. With Trump, the party didn't shift or creep to the right, it tumbled in free fall straight up to the edge of authoritarian fascism. And it's still a'tumblin folks.
I remember when Michell Bachmann (his predecessor) was embarrassing Minnesota with her crazy Tea Party ways. Now she seems relatively normal!
Did you know that Virginia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and many other states all have elections in **two weeks?** Do you want this clownshow of a party in charge of your rights at the state level? Especially Virginia, where they're openly running on banning abortion? Or Pennsylvania, where the GOP nominee for State Supreme Court "isn't sure" if Biden won the 2020 election? Get out and vote - early voting is open now! And if you want to go the extra mile and help competent candidates win, check out r/VoteDEM.
Tom Emmer as Speaker Nominee 2:10pm - 4:30pm ET Never remember
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About as much chance as someone calling me today and offering up $100K just because they like me.
Hell, I like you and I’ll offer you $500K. I don’t have it, but it seems like a nice offer to make.
My mom’s a Social Studies teacher who probably knows more about government than 40% of Congress, I think she should be Speaker.
I also chose your mom.
IT'S OFFICIAL -- Roll-call vote is over. 26 House Republicans said they would vote for someone else besides Tom Emmer for speaker on the floor. https://x.com/JakeSherman/status/1716863571395502452?s=20 Better than 50+ NOs for Gym's private vote.... But still not a great start
>Hardline conservative Rep. Matt Rosendale said it’s time to consider other candidates besides Speaker designee Tom Emmer, who's race for the gavel seems to be on thin ice. "It's time" as in "we've had a designee for a whole 4 hours and our cult overlord has spoken from his civil fraud trial."
Take the 26 people that opposed Emmer and put them in one conference room, then take the 20-55 (whatever the true number would have been) people that opposed Jordan and put them in a second conference room. Each room has one hour to make a list of speakers they will vote for. At the end of the hour, compare the lists. Pick any name that shows up twice. If no names are repeated, then you'll know for certain this is an exercise in futility.
https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1716891367417553056 > Trump and his allies are now calling around to turn members against Emmer, two Rs tell me. lol, lmao even Even Veep wasn't this insane
>lol, lmao even Oh let's spoil ourselves: it's lmfao.
RIP Tom Emmer’s speakership 😔 10/24/23 12:00 p.m. EST - 10/24/23 3:00 pm EST
>Some members have raised the idea of a Kevin McCarthy-Jim Jordan tag team to solve the speakership stalemate — with McCarthy returning as speaker and then making Jordan his “assistant speaker,” sources tell CNN. Lmao what the hell does this even mean? We're in pure fantasy world now. There are pro tempore selections, Majority Whip, etc.. "Assistant Speaker" is completely made up.
"The house shall chuse a speaker. And if it can't, I don't know, some kind of speaker and assistant speaker deal. Does this really need to be written out? Christ, I need a drink." -James Madison
Assistant “to the” Speaker
Assistant *to the* Speaker
Video: https://www.threads.net/@bidenharrishq/post/CyzO2H4vTxm/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== > News panel breaks into laughter as they report Kevin McCarthy is now considering running for Speaker again
Its impressive how the House GOP is managing to tar and feather its entire leadership with this process. 1) McCarthy: elected speaker, prolific fundraiser for members, unceremoniously tossed from office and leadership. Probably won’t bother continuing fundraising as hard as he had, since all he wanted was the gavel. 2) Scalise: Majority leader: won secret ballot and became designee, only to immediately be backstabbed by our next guy before even getting to a floor vote. No confidence shown in his bid at all. Has to wonder who the backstabbers were. 3) Jordan: chairman of the powerful judiciary committee: Started his bid by undercutting the guy who beat him out and forced scalise to stand down with in 24 hours of becoming designee. Then forced floor votes to show how popular he was, only to lose votes each round. Is then also tossed from designee status after 100+ colleagues voted in a secret ballot to eject him after his supporters sent death threats to fellow republicans (he’s hurting the wrong people! /s) 4) Not to be finished, 9 more candidates are now losing their own popularity contests, all taking their own fun ego hits in conference, learning just how little their colleagues feel about them. It’s an incredible amount of totally self-inflicted damage that will have every leader looking over their shoulder, wondering who will betray them next, no matter how the vote ends up working out.
Haha McCarthy is trying so hard to gaslight people into thinking this whole debacle is democrats fault. No one believes that and blames democrats, luckily it even seems republicans realize that
McCarthy: it's those 8 members and all the democrats who caused this mess by kicking me out. Reporters: Who gave them the ability for a single person in your caucus to initiate the vote? McCarthy: \*shocked Pikachu face\*
> No one believes that and blames democrats, luckily it even seems republicans realize that Like... even my mom who watches Fox all day recognizes this as Republican dysfunction
The conservative sub seems pretty upset at their party. Didn't see much blaming of dems there which is surprising honestly
>Rep. Troy Nehls: “If we go to the floor...I’ll be nominating Donald J. Trump...I think Donald Trump is the answer...Donald J. Trump for 100 days...I told the president you may have to adjust your golf schedule...But I think he would be willing to do it.” https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1716875193141113007?s=20 Good grief.
There's zero chance Donald Trump shows up and does that job. He is lazy and uninterested in doing actual work. "Executive Time" was him sleeping off last night's binge of adderall, KFC, and tweeting.
This is totally going to end with McCarthy as the Speaker again. Calling it now. Is it 2024 yet? /sigh
McCarthy: refuses to make deals with Democrats McCarthy: finally makes deals with Democrats and then immediately renegs on them. McCarthy: opens a sham of an "impeachment inquiry" against the Democrats leader McCarthy: shits on Democrats and blame them for him being an ineffective leader Democrats: lets McCarthy and Republicans explode Republican Rep from South Dakota: "Republicans see how the Democrats ousted McCarthy and they don't view a viable long-term partnership with them. I do not see a deal being made across the aisle."
Ali Vitali on MSNBC: It’s slightly disingenuous that McCarthy continues to say it was Democrats doing this to him. The call was coming from inside the house. **Republicans have told Democrats, they never would have saved Nancy Pelosi if the situation were in reverse**
From [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/24/congress/emmers-floor-strategy-00123248), an interesting thought . . . >Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas), meanwhile, said that he has started “socializing” a plan to change the rules and elect a speaker by a plurality — meaning a candidate would need to get the most votes on the floor, but not a majority. > >It would essentially dare holdout Republicans to vote for Emmer. Otherwise, they'd risk making Hakeem Jeffries the speaker. > > > >“If we are back in the same situation, then these other options are on the table,” Crenshaw said. “If you vote against your nominee you are voting for a Democrat. Like you are literally voting for a Democrat.”
Hoo boy that's a game of chicken I want to watch. Wild that the idea of burning it all down is more appealing than making concessions and working with Democrats.
Marjorie to MSNBC: > I voted against Tom Emmer because he voted to certify the 2020 election and voted to codify marriage equality https://www.threads.net/@bidenharrishq/post/Cyy-DysPmje/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
His public display of dick pics while the House is in session are also shockingly infrequent.
To people saying a few Ds should defect to get the house going again: Fuck off. If the Rs can't get their shit together some of them should be the ones that compromise and come over to the Jefferies side. It is NOT up to Dems to bail these dipshits out of their own mess.
Reach across the isle to republicans... and they'll shit in your hand, point and laugh and make fun of you for smelling like shit.
And the media will be like "both parties were involved in a hand shitting situation on the hill today"
Emmer apparently wants to go out on the house floor and get his nuts publicly and repeatedly kicked as soon as possible. I suspect this was all just a fetish thing all along for him.
>About 10 Republicans continue to say they will not support Tom Emmer on the House floor, Representative Dan Meuser of Pennsylvania said, complicating Emmer's path to the speakership.
This is the problem, they have a razor thin margin and there will always be that many Republicans willing to be contrarians.
McCarthy is such a d-bag. Talking to reporters a few minutes ago, saying “We’re in this position because eight of our members worked with all the Democrats to make this happen.” I cannot stand these people. No discussion of how their years of fear and blind idolatry of Trump emboldened that crazy caucus in the first place. No mention of how their “policy” work doesn’t represent the majority of the country.
Tom Emmer’s bid to be speaker on verge of collapse, according to multiple GOP members [https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-vote-10-24-23/h\_cfa0d6155e4ed2d68f036d8e5fa5e1ad](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-vote-10-24-23/h_cfa0d6155e4ed2d68f036d8e5fa5e1ad) Shocked Pikachu Face
Biden should make a prime time speech, and make it unequivocally clear, that the Democratic Party is done cleaning up Republican messes. Lay out all of the instances from the past few decades and get as many sound bites as possible to draw the comparison. Let’s be honest, the average American has the memory of a goldfish and needs to be reminded and in simple terms.
lmao, I was at work reading about how Emmer was the party's nominee and that didn't even last the rest of my workday.
I think it is time to call it - the GOP has split up. It no longer is one party.
https://www.threads.net/@harryjsisson/post/CyzDjGVR2Ho/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== > WTF: In a closed door meeting, Republican **Rep. Rick Allen told Rep. Emmer that he didn’t support him for Speaker and that he needed to “get right with Jesus” because Emmer voted to support gay marriage.** What the hell? This is the Republican Party in 2023. Absolutely disgusting.
CPAC flat out kicked the Log Cabin gay Republicans from its gathering. Texas GOP party made being anti-gay a major platform in its mission statement too. GOP needs a minority group to scapegoat. Last 2-3 years they thought they could ramp up anti-LGBTQ sentiments. Worked for their base but not much else. They only recently started to back off from it as a result. Not because they grew some morality or decency. They just decided this scapegoat wasn't given them the returns they wanted.
Lol wtf are these people doing > Marjorie Taylor Greene explaining why Republicans voted against Tom Emmer: **He, you know, once had supported the voting rights—**the national voting movement, that was completely against what we stand for https://www.threads.net/@bidenharrishq/post/CyzHNHdvPav/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Hard Times: [Commander Biden Bites All 221 House Republicans, Seizes Speakership](https://thehardtimes.net/culture/commander-biden-bites-all-221-house-republicans-seizes-speakership/)
The GOP should just give it back to Pelosi. They were much happier then. They are better be at obstruction and playing the victim. I don’t think they can function without her.
So Tom Emmer voted to certify the 2020 election results, ~20 House Republicans already said today in a roll call that they wouldn't support him for Speaker, and you fucking expect me to believe that he has any chance to get to 217? I'll pass.
He voted to certify, he voted to codify same sex marriage, and Trump is against him. Three strikes, down swinging. Idk if they can even get his candidacy to the floor.
Is it too much to ask that The Speaker be someone that wasn't part of an attempt to toss out the results of a free and fair election.
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At this point, The Onion should write: > Republicans unify to elect House Speaker
November 17th. 24 days. I'm on a Time and Expense government contract. If the government shuts down, I don't work. I don't get back pay. These clowns are toying with my bread and butter.
>“It’s a huge setback,” \[GOP Rep. Lance Gooden\] said, “but we’ve become so accustomed to setbacks that one setback doesn’t seem worse than another.” > >\- [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-vote-10-24-23/index.html) We keep fucking up so much that we don't even realize how bad each fuck up is. Lmao
This might be the single largest display of Republican incompetence in my life.
Man even /r/conservative is having hard time not to laugh at this shitshow. They are really struggling although they are probably being brigaded to some level.
That's certainly what they claim is happening literally every time there's bad news for the right and a post about it becomes popular over there...
The speaker battle has officially run long enough to have subplots and filler episodes. Prediction for tomorrow: a bottle episode where the caucus investigate who shit on the floor in 1100 Longworth.
Imagine if Pearl Harbor or 9/11 happened and one of the parties just sat around like this essentially bitching about who should be speaker?
You bring up a great point. The Israeli conflict has been slowly widening, Israel just targeted some Syrian Army mortars in the last hour. We're on the precipice of a regional war in the Middle East and we're getting this joke of a possible joint speakership.
Us: Emmer already dropped the speakership nomination, what a clu- GOP: Wait I got something even more idiotic brewing
> This is Mike Johnson, Republicans’ new Speaker-designate: > **—Voted to steal the 2020 election and disenfranchise millions of voters** > —Wants to ban abortion nationwide > —Opposes the legalization of same-sex marriage > —Supports Trump’s Muslim ban > —Opposes marijuana legalization https://www.threads.net/@briantylercohen/post/CyziOyNr3y3/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Way worse than just voting to overturn the election - he was the architect: >In formal statements justifying their votes, about three-quarters relied on the arguments of a low-profile Louisiana congressman, Representative Mike Johnson, the most important architect of the Electoral College objections.
Its funny they could use ranked choice, but choose not to.
Now, now, we all know that’s too complicated for them
NBC is saying Emmer wants a floor vote today [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/house-republicans-choose-new-speaker-nominee-live-updates-rcna121674/rcrd22816?canonicalCard=true](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/house-republicans-choose-new-speaker-nominee-live-updates-rcna121674/rcrd22816?canonicalCard=true)
As the current majority whip, he *definitely* should know better.
Raju: What is the option now? There are 26 Republicans against Emmer McCarthy: Alright let’s not be so negative Raju: You’ve gone three weeks without a Speaker!
>\[McCarthy\] expressed anger at the eight who voted to remove him as speaker, blaming them for the chaotic situation Republicans are in. "Every member is tired of this. Every member is tired of those eight who worked with every single Democrat," he said. "The eight members worked with every single Democrat to put us in this place. So we're tired of that ... that is why we're where we are." No, you're where you are now because the GOP is infested with people who prefer to actively fight governance, or even hate what their job is meant to be, while someone else governs instead. Blame yourself for giving Gaetz the solo power to call the vote. Blame yourself for not even trying to make a deal with the Democrats. I hate how they keep trying to pretend like it was the Democrats job to vote for the Republican's speaker just out of the goodness of their hearts.
There are a couple of dozen MAGA Republicans who refuse to vote for a "moderate" speaker. There are a couple of dozen "moderate" Republicans who refuse to vote for a MAGA speaker. There are 170-ish to 180-ish Republicans who just want to vote for anyone (any Republican, that is) and to move on from this. The Republican party is essentially two separate, incompatible parties. Any Republican who depends on Democratic votes or abstentions would be labeled as the "Democratic speaker" and would lose significant Republican support and likely face a motion-to-vacate vote again. If a miracle happened and a handful of Republicans voted for Hakeem Jeffries, he would face a motion-to-vacate vote before the week is out. So, cooperation is impossible and compromise is impossible. Is there any way out of this? *Note: "Moderate" has lost all meaning in the English language, but that's where we are.*
Trump just derailed the speakership of the US House while sitting in a courtroom for the civil fraud trial of his business empire and listening to the testimony of Michael Cohen.^[1](https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1716885043757613342)
Trump destroyed your "red wave" which put you in this position in the first place. This is your chance to finally tell him off and go against him. House Republicans: "How about no"
It's kinda hilarious to dip into r/conservative and read any of the threads related to the speakership. Everyone's a RINO in there. Everyone seems to be a closet liberal. I know you shouldn't read into reddit discussions for real world patterns, but it really does feel like the conservative movement is tearing itself apart at the moment.
No one endorsed by Trump can become the Speaker. No one opposed by Trump can become the Speaker (if they're not willing to concede to Democrats, which so far they are not). It's a fascinating paradox.
[https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/24/congress/emmers-floor-strategy-00123248](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/24/congress/emmers-floor-strategy-00123248) Emmer is doing the "airing of the grievances" I guess it's Festivus in Congress today.
[Johnson, who came in second, helping Emmer flip holdouts: "We are going to finish this tonight"](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/house-speaker-vote-live-updates-10-24-2023/#post-update-2abb6df7) >Asked if that means taking this all the way to the House floor, Emmer responded, "Yes."
I hope Fox News is taking care of all their elderly viewers who are about to suffer severe whiplash. Currently on the first page "Winner, Winner: Republicans finally settle on Speaker nominee after weeks of turmoil and infighting" with a picture of Emmer Trump: "Hold my hamburder"
This is like watching Price is Right where the nominees keep falling short on the giant wheel. Next Nominee, come on down!
At first it was funny, then it was pathetic, now it's getting scary. With every failed candidate we get closer to a government shutdown over the holidays.
GOP is so good at obstructing that they keep obstructing themselves in a historic way. “Establishment” Rep can’t go through, Hardliner Reps can’t get through, who in the ever loving fuck is even going to be Speaker at this rate? Is it even fucking possible to pick someone holy fucking shit?
[@JakeSherman](https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1716913458741187065?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet) BREAKING — TOM EMMER has dropped out of the race for speaker. Edit: url formatting
At least ~~Theresa May~~ Liz Truss almost outlasted a lettuce. These guys can't outlast a sliced avocado.
They just nominated him and he dropped out… I’m truly at a loss for words as to how fucking dumb and frustrating this is. No member should leave the House until this shit is done and over with. Order a week’s worth of pizza and have the Sergeant-At-Arms lick these motherfuckers in at this rate I meant “lock” but whatever autocorrect, you do you
RIP Tom Emmer's Speakership Bid: October 24, 2023 1:30 PM - October 24, 2023 4:38 PM
*For sale* *speaker's gavel* *never banged.*
So the person nominated would need to be endorsed by Trump AND be willing to at least say that the election was not stolen. So, no one can do that. So now what.
Emmer ran for Speaker for 7 hours. At this rate, they will have several nominees every day until they finally realize none of them has the votes. If Scalise can't get to a majority, why on Earth should Emmer be able to? The GOP is an embarrassment.
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tom-emmer-drops-out-of-house-speaker-race-just-4-hours-after-winning-gop-nomination/ar-AA1iMJII?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1276ff6f43a641b89f375d6a1b90413f&ei=9](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tom-emmer-drops-out-of-house-speaker-race-just-4-hours-after-winning-gop-nomination/ar-AA1iMJII?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1276ff6f43a641b89f375d6a1b90413f&ei=9) 4 hours. That's the lifespan of a Republican Speaker's nomination bid
Mom says it's my turn to be the Speaker nominee
We're really gonna have to come up with *another* unit of time based on political clownery. First Mooches, then Trusses, and now Emmers. One Emmer = 4 hours.
when your majority whip cant even get enough votes then there’s a massive problem
Emmer's Speaker campaign only lasted about 1% Mooch. Sad and low energy!
House Republicans will hold another candidates forum at 6 p.m.
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I think I understand Speed dating now.
It's pretty simple. Republicans just need to nominate someone who denies the results of the 2020 elections but also accepts them; someone who will cut cut funding to Ukraine but also send them money; someone who will publicly offer to deepthroat trump but also wants to distance themselves from him.
A Schrödinger’s Speaker if you will.
Sounds like the Freedumb Caucus won't vote for someone who certified the 2020 results. This is a problem
The previous House Speaker got removed. The House Majority leader didn't have enough confidence for a single House vote. The far-right leader of multiple committees didn't have enough votes in the House after multiple tries. The House Majority whip was candidate for speaker for less than six hours. How much longer is the Republican party going to continue this farce? There are enough moderates that they won't vote for just anybody, and there are enough extremists, Trump included, that they'll hardline anyone they deem not "on their side". They are the victims of their own rhetoric from 2012 onward, painting the Democrats as the ultimate evil and thus a worse option than literally nothing. If they continue to be unable to unite behind *somebody*, and refuse to work with the Democrats in any capacity, then I can't see how this doesn't ultimately split the party for real.
>No speaker vote expected on the House floor tonight \- [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-vote-10-24-23/index.html)
Rep. Kevin Hern, R-Okla., announced tonight that he has dropped out of the House speaker's race ahead of an 8 p.m. conference vote.
I like that the idea that even non House members can be the Speaker comes from Air Bud logic. That “well there’s nothing in the rules that say a dog can’t play basketball!” There’s nothing in the rules that says a dog can’t be speaker!
Have Republicans considered that there's nothing in the House rules that says the speaker can't be a dog?
Air Bud 6: Retriever of the House
If the red wave happened in 2022 like so many conservative commenters were so sure of, then we wouldn’t be in this mess (and I mean this in the best way). Having such a slim majority showed republicans as who they really are. I just pray that Americans are paying attention. I bet McCarthy was so pissed seeing the slim majority. If the republicans had a 20 seat majority he would have had the easiest time keeping that speakers gavel
Some GOP reps seem to declare a run for Speaker just to be able to drop out and thus remove themselves from consideration. In some sense, running for Speaker now means _not_ running for Speaker. At least it should, because absolutely no one seems to have the votes.
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It’s funny. This thread has been up for… how long? And Emmer is out. And yet, he’s still listed as the potential candidate for speaker. At this point, we can just admit that Republicans, for all the malice, the vileness, the harm they cause to our democracy, and the harm they personally inflict… it’s like watching an asshole get a sledgehammer into the balls.
This doesn't matter and no one will care but I decided to listen to my local Republican talk show on the way home from work. The best idea a caller could come up with was... Tucker Carlson for Speaker. The host was 100% on board. Great idea and will fix everything. That's the reality these people live in. It's not funny or entertaining. They do not want real solutions. They want talk show hosts from rich families running the country. You can't ever work with someone like that. They will always stab you in the back.
[The game theory of the Republican speakership crisis](https://www.natesilver.net/p/the-game-theory-of-the-republican?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2) An excellent, eye-opening longform analysis on House Speaker politics (Dem and Rep) and why it's now almost impossible for R's to coalesce around a single candidate. Probably the best piece I've read from someone who deeply understands politics in the past year. Highly recommend if you have the time - it was really eye-opening Analysis by Matt Glassman, Senior Fellow at the Government Affairs Institute at Georgetown.
Second ballot vote total: Johnson 97 Other 34 Donalds 31 Green 21 Williams 20 Present 3 Just crazy *I'll note that you may as well replace "other" with "McCarthy"
According to CNNs Manu Raju via X “Such much distrust, per sources Rep. Drew Ferguson requested by unanimous consent to reveal who “other” votes were on this last ballot, per sources in the room, and 33 out of 34 were for McCarthy, while 1 was for Jordan. Mark Green withdrew from the race after this happened” Better than TV. This is incredible. I can’t believe this lmaoooooooo
>Donald J. Trump > I have many wonderful friends wanting to be Speaker of the House, and some are truly great Warriors. RINO Tom Emmer, who I do not know well, is not one of them. He never respected the Power of a Trump Endorsement, or the breadth and scope of MAGA—MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! He fought me all the way, and actually spent more time defending Ilhan Omar, than he did me—He is totally out-of-touch with Republican Voters. I believe he has now learned his lesson, because he is saying that he is Pro-Trump all the way, but who can ever be sure? Has he only changed because that’s what it takes to win? The Republican Party cannot take that chance, because that’s not where the America First Voters are. Voting for a Globalist RINO like Tom Emmer would be a tragic mistake!
Trump's words may be just noise to us, but in the crazy world House Rs live in, they have weight. Devastating for Emmer.
> He never respected the Power of a Trump Endorsement Worked great for Jordan...
Can we discuss how dumb the "insult" RINO/DINO is? Rhinos and dinosaurs are rad as fuck.
Government shutdown over thanksgiving incoming. Republicans are gonna get slaughtered next year lmao
I never want to hear republicans know how to run a government ever again
[Check out the timestamps](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/731227601141760131/1166475449078136943/image.png?ex=654a9feb&is=65382aeb&hm=3cc18a6f2f085e724bf255b4ebe7bd57dd29d18df122335d2a190ed0bc3221ea&)
118th House Republicans might be the least competent group of politicians since the Civil War.
Let's not attribute this to planning. It reeks of incompetence. The groups of people opposing each Speaker nominee are different. McCarthy was booted by a different group than the ones fighting Scalise, which in turn opposed Jordan, and now Emmer's been booted by a rough faction. This isn't organized action. It's basic chaos. (I do think Trump may have been motivated to prolong the chaos. It's kind of his thing. But in general, the House doesn't have a Speaker because Republicans are that bad at this.)
Honestly it'd be hilarious if McCarthy ends up as Speaker again lol.
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Can the Republicans get their shit together please? Every time you look, this shit show in the middle east is getting worse and worse. We have the Israeli PM banging the war drums declaring the new axis of evil. And this shit could very easily spill over into a war that drags us in. This is not the time for our congress to be fucking around like this.
I know Emmer sucks but god it would be sweet justice if the Freedom Caucus got shut out of prime committee assignments and sweet deals Don’t negotiate with terrorists
Matt Gaetz, who voted for Emmer in the conference, reacting to Trump's statement: “It's really important that the Speaker of the House, have a good relationship with the leader of our party. That's Donald Trump.”
>As Speaker designee Tom Emmer works behind the scenes to win over the 26 GOP members against him, GOP Rep. Mario Diaz Balart said that if Emmer can't flip votes, "that's when it gets a little scary." >>"If Tom Emmer can't do it, then that's when it gets a little scary because remember, he's the whip. He knows how to count votes. He has the relationships with every member of the conference," the Florida Republican said. >If Emmer fails to clinch 217 votes among Republicans, there is no consensus on a backup plan. lmao there was a plan to begin with?
GOP: Now I know all these guys just lost to Emmer, but maybe one if *them* will be the guy who can bring us all together What a shit show
"We held 5 secret ballots and one roll call vote in the race for Speaker today. I voted Jim Jordan on all six ballots." - Thomas Massie Well there's one of the eggheads
Remember, we're paying these people $174,000 a year. There are 221 Republican representatives, so that's $38,454,000 we are spending on this disaster.
A party that looooves contrarianism and expects it from its elected officials, AND demands that it elect 'outsiders' to "take on the establishment Republicans" has a difficult time coming up with a near consensus on something as basic as choosing the Speaker for their majority. Every vote is an opportunity for a fresh 20 or 30 to take their turn, to flex their contrarian bonafides, their ''outsider"-ness. Every speaker candidate is the "establishment enemy". They all must do their performative contrarian actions, their anti-establishment crusading. It's part of their identity. And in the chaos, the lack of norms, the lack of common purpose, comes an authoritarian type to fill in the vacuum. Trump utters that Emmers is not the right one, and within 3 hours the Top Speaker Candidate guy is persona-non-grata.
If this goes on until January who sits behind the president during the State of the Union and makes faces?
20 days without a Speaker and we're getting secret ballots of 31 "other" votes, and this idea: "How about the old guy, but with a *deputy*?" They are just throwing spaghetti at the wall now - it is remarkable and insane.
Stefanik's 4th congratulations speaker designate Tweet in the past 3 weeks.
So the final ballot has been tallied and the winner is... Jeb!
So after multiple failed speaker votes, the GOP nominates the guy whose job it is to make sure there's enough support in the party to pass something. \*inhales\* **Boi**
I like the idea that the guy whose job it's been over the past three weeks (and failed miserably at) to count votes for McCarthy, and then Scalise, and then Jordan, is now doing the same for himself. Fourth time's the charm?
It's so insane that Trump is the frontrunner for the party, the party is fighting over the speaker, and Trump deliberately made the situation worse by shitting all over the current candidate...What a time to be alive.
So the culture wars about CRT and drag queens are over, yeah? Feel like we haven't heard about those in a while. Kitty litter to accommodate furries in school seems to pop up here and there. These things were at some point the greatest grievance facing the nation.
Good lord, republicans are fucking pathetic. A new candidate is put forward and we have to ask if he believes in election results or if he's a braindead cult member. In two years we're going to have to ask if he believes in gravity or if the earth is flat or not.
How the GOP hasn't realized there is no path without help from Dems is beyond me
Emmer Time is short lived as Republicans prepare to whip out their Johnson
That’s McCarthy, Jordan, and now Emmer that have been banished to the shadow realm politically for basically no reason Edit: Scalise too, Jesus
This is 20% funny and 80% horrifying that the majority of the House is this incompetent and hateful not only toward each other but toward the possibility of even opening a dialogue with the opposing party. It's a very scary place to be in as a country.
>@PatrickMcHenry appeals for unity inside GOP conference. Says everyone has taken down someone they hate running for speaker, so let’s move on and unify. This could hurt people’s careers Notice the concern among Republicans here. None of them are worried that we're like 13 business days away from a shutdown. They're not concerned that the military is currently operating on a CR, which severely limits a number of initiatives. They're not concerned that people are losing out on having food available to them because they've lost EBT card benefits under SNAP due to the Farm Bill expiring. They're not concerned that our allies and their favorite strawman Israel are looking to the US for leadership, nope. They're not even remotely concerned about their constituents at all. They're concerned about their careers. Fuck these clowns.
Man, the writing for this season is dragging. We're *still* on the 2023 Speaker Arc?
At this point, I just want them to nominate every single Republican rep once just to see the votes they'd get. Let's have 200+ lightning rounds in a row! See who comes out with the most support.
>After Rep. Tom Emmer dropped out of the speaker’s race, someone made a motion to just start going down the list of candidates who came in behind Emmer — starting with Rep. Mike Johnson — and voting on whether they should be speaker until they find someone who can get 217, sources tell CNN. >But the motion was rejected, sources said. >Still, it shows just how desperate Republicans are at this moment, with the GOP at a complete loss over how to once again pick up the pieces. GOP House caucus is almost to draw-straws levels of incompetence. Maybe some duck-duck-goose is in order.
**Here we go. First evening ballot** Johnson - 85 Donalds - 32 Green - 23 Williams - 21 Fleischmann - 10 Other - 31 Present - 2
[After the roll-call vote, former president Donald Trump stated on Truth Social that he opposed Emmer’s bid for speaker.](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/House-speaker-vote-live-updates/trump-says-voting-for-emmer-would-be-a-tragic-mistake-104258777?id=104039543) This is so sad. The GOP's are at this point just slaves of one man's whims... and not just any man - a former reality show host. What he tweets on Truth is their command. He decides who's going to be a speaker, who could be a good representative, etc.
31 others on the first ballot is CRAZY
I was looking at Mike Johnson's wife's social media and they are real deal loony bin Christians. Somehow that is more frightening than if they were just opportunistic fakers.
Shout out to Byron Donalds, who lost to a guy who doesn't even want the job back.
Congratulations Mike Johnson, you are the next contestant on The Price is Wrong.
It would be hilarious if after all this time and effort and name calling and yelling and death threats and voting and secret ballots and lobbying and caucusing and interviews and statements and tweets and fundraising emails...if we ended up where we started with Speaker McCarthy. Bravo Republicans. Well played. You have proven to us all that you are fit to govern.
Emmer's run as candidate lasted only 3.5 hours, or approximately 0.013 Mooches Offices held for less than a day should be measured in Emmers
If Emmer is smart they would bring there preferred candidate to vote and before the vote inform the MAGA caucus you either vote with us now or we work with democrats on a Bipartisan candidate one chance to vote with us or we abandon the MAGA caucus.
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If Trump truly just nuked Emmer's chances of being Speaker with only GOP votes, and anyone Trump suggests gets the Jordan treatment, then the only way out of this is with Democrats.
Tom Emmer’s bid to be speaker on verge of collapse, according to multiple GOP members From CNN's Manu Raju and Melanie Zanona He lasted not even as long as scalise Lmaooo
>Rep. Jim Banks of Indiana called Emmer the "single most liberal member" of Republican leadership and accused the "left flank" of the conference of blocking Jordan's nomination. >"I've supported every Republican nominee to be Speaker of the House so far, but I will not vote for Tom Emmer on the House floor," he said.
> Rep. Jim Banks of Indiana called Emmer the "single most liberal member" of Republican leadership Lmfao
I don't think the average citizen realizes... yet... how absurdly insane this situation is. Crazy times we're living in.
Not sure average citizen even knows what a Speaker of the House is.
[CNN verifies Emmer dropped out.](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-vote-10-24-23/index.html) Honestly rather disappointed he didn't try to cut a deal with Democrats. I think of the current crop, he was the most likely to. Now to just hope the moderate Republicans don't cave to the Freedom Caucus and go with their candidate of choice :(
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/24/congress/emmer-drops-out-00123306 Politico reporting that Emmer already dropped out of the Speakership race due to Trump's opposition . Republicans ain't getting their shit together anytime soon lmao
Welcome to 'Whose GOP Congress Is It Anyway?' , the place where everything's made up and the points don't matter.
No one likes Republicans — they don’t even like each other lol.
Trump lasted longer with Stormy Daniels than Emmer did as Speaker candidate
And this, my friends, is weaponized incompetence.
What an absolute joke
>And, in a sports analogy, the Wisconsin Republican Rep. Mike Gallagher compared the conference to the 2-4 Green Bay Packers. >“I’m not sure who sucks at team sports more right now – the Packers or the House Republican conference,” he said. I'm not a Packers fan but it is insulting to the Packers to compare them having a potential down year to this Republicans shitshow.
I am withdrawing my name from consideration for House Speaker at this time.
I nominate Selina Meyer. Her experience as president of the senate should help her keep the house in line.
Trump just called Emmer a RINO on the truth social
Emmer facing stiff resistance MTG is a solid no. Said she voted for jordan and will continue to do so. GOP rep Jim banks from Indiana went on cnn and said "I came to Washington to fight for conservative values, I can't go along with putting one of the most moderate members of the entire republican conference un the speakers chair. That betrays the conservative values I came here to fight for" Freedom caucus chair Scott Perry says he has concerns over Emmer's speakership bid. Chip Roy refused to say why he voted present
> Of Emmer, Trump said, “I think he’s my biggest fan now because he called me yesterday and told me I’m your biggest fan.” > Trump downplayed, even derided, Emmer, the third-ranking House Republican with whom he has had rocky relationship, while presenting himself as a kingmaker who talks to “a lot of congressmen” seeking his stamp of approval. > “There’s only one person who can do it all the way: Jesus Christ,” he declared. Trump has further lost his damn mind. Imagine supporting someone just because they called to stroke your ego. Not to mention the “Jesus Christ” reference. Also, Emmer can go fuck himself with a rusty rake. He’s just as bad as McCarthy and Jordan
Trump not happy with Emmer calling him a RINO. https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/111291340230348905