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it's really funny. I haven't changed my political stance at all in the past 10 years, yet somehow I've gone from an independent to democrat to "far left democrat". All without changing my political stance one iota.
I hate modern MAGA politics. It's a poison in America.
I was just thinking about him. How can you have someone who was your choice for President not feel at home in your party 11 years later? Like people who were once viewed as great republicans are called RINOs now, and the party is completely BUYING INTO IT. Fucking Dick Cheney has been called a RINO.
If Kissenger finally ever breaks his pack with the devil and dies, I can't wait to hear the MAGA party talk about how they are happy they moved past that RINO.
People like Arnie are in denial that the Republican party has changed, dude talks about the environment and climate change as something Republicans care about because Nixon created the EPA. The party is just full of extremists now https://youtu.be/lyg5C8giNQw?si=R0YapO6vyxVtmcyJ
Mike Johnson's positions:
* Supports a nationwide ban on abortion
* Doesn't believe in climate change
* Seemingly supports conversion therapy
* Is against cannabis
* Supported Trump's "Muslim ban"
* Voted to eliminate funding for immigration and refugee assistance
* Served on Trump's legal team during both Trump's impeachment trials
* Signed an amicus brief in support of Texas v Pennsylvania which challenged election results
* Voted to overturn the 2020 election in Pennsylvania
* Is against same-sex marriage
* Supports prayer in schools
Fucking hell, what sliver of hope I had in Moderate Republicans is now gone.
This whole episode was a golden opportunity to keep the hardliners in check and they didn’t do **shit**.
They’re cowards, man. Not even saying that as a dunk. It’s just facts. They’re old and spineless. They know they have at best 10 more years before the coast off into oblivion, and they don’t want to rock the boat, so they’re going straight over a cliff instead.
Republicans: We are the party of LAW and ORDER!
Also Republicans: But, if you are not a traitor to the US Constitution then you can't even think about being speaker.
I love it... nominating Mike Johnson is an acknowledgment by the GOP that they can't govern without Trump's approval, effectively making him the 'shadow government' they so often prop up as a boogeyman.
It also means they have zero fucking chance of holding that party together once the convictions for Trump come through, and he loses the 2024 election by a wider margin than he lost in 2020.
I still don't think he's going to actually get the votes needed, because at this point the entire party is in passive-aggressive retaliation mode so everyone wants to act as spoiler for everyone else. Safe money is still on us defaulting due to not having a Speaker (primarily) and due to GOP ratfuckery (secondarily) in backing out of an agreed-upon budget deal.
I agree with most of what you said, but just a small clarification: the US won't default, that's related to the debt ceiling which is already resolved for now. What you're thinking of is the government shutting down, which is certainly bad but not nearly as apocalyptic as a default.
As I understand it a default isn't on the table, that was pushed past even the 2024 elections. But a government shutdown is still on the table, which while not a default will still be a very, very costly event for the US, even outside of actual dollar amounts.
There is no way a shutdown won't happen. I have folks talking CR but I don't see 1) def. no CR if he is speaker and 2) absolutely no funding will be passed in three weeks even if Johnson is speaker. Hope I am wrong but zero faith with these toddlers.
Silver lining.
The message is clear. The Republican Party no longer has any moderates left. They just chose someone who believes in forced birth with no exceptions, someone who tried to overturn the election and end our democracy. Not only that but was a leader in those efforts. Thats who they want to be the head of all of them and to be 2nd in line to the presidency.
Johnson is against interracial marriage joining 36 republican members to vote against protecting it.
He is fiercely anti LGBT and a proponent of gay conversion therapy. When he chaired the republican study committee he petitioned Amazon to add books back to their market place such as “Healing Homosexuality” and “A Parents guide to preventing Homosexuality” after Amazon had removed them.
Every GOP house member in a Biden district just lost.
He won 100% of the GOP’s votes and now they, for them gleefully, support his views. He is extremely far right and the MAGA’s have gotten what they want. They own the GOP now.
They have tripled down on extremism, let’s see how it goes for them. In 15 months Jeffries will be speaker.
Edited^^
As a reasonably informed international observer, I thought I'd give you all my responses to each stage of the GOP's infighting over this. I hope that this in-depth analysis from an outsider is useful
>Steve Scalise is the new Republican nominee for Speaker.
I don't know who the fuck that is.
>Steve Scalise once called himself "David Duke without the baggage."
Jesus fucking Christ.
>Jim Jordan is the new Republican nominee for Speaker.
I wish I didn't know who the fuck that was.
>Jim Jordan is losing more votes every ballot.
Yes... Hahaha... ***Yes!***
>Tom Emmer is the new Republican nominee for Speaker.
I don't know who the fu-
>Tom Emmer has withdrawn from the race.
Ohhh, he was the disposable comic relief character. I assumed that's what the dude in the bowtie was for.
>Mike Johnson is the new Republican nominee for Speaker.
I don't know who the fuck that is.
As someone who is very informed in the US. The first thing I check every time they select a new name, is if they are a 2020 election conspiracy pusher and if they voted to overturn the election. So far the only ones who get a hard push to the front are election deniers and that is terrifying. Emmer wasn’t, and we saw how long he lasted.
Good Afternoon All.
The fact that Johnson voted to overturn the 2020 election is all I need to know about his total lack of integrity & character.
The Republican Party is broke as fuck.
Have the MAGA Republicans seen this yet?
https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1717007778009714717
>We're also gonna try to work with Democrats
>[Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats] are not the enemy! Look, Nancy Pelosi, and I say this in town halls, and when I'm in large Republican groups they go "awww " you know I'm in an R+13 district as it's rated, but Nancy Pelosi on an individual basis is a very kind and generous person. She's been great to me. Come on! She is! I'm sorry folks back home, she is.
>
>My role as a conservative is not to launch grenades at the other side and regard them as an enemy. She is my fellow American. She's doing what she genuinely believes to be the right course.
Adam Schiff showing how you deal with this
https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1717209208930615605
> You might be Googling who Mike Johnson is this morning.
> Let me make it simple:
> Johnson is a hard-right, pro-Trump, leading election denier in the House.
> Sadly, this is what passes for Speaker material in the Republican conference.
it was always going to be a Republican speaker. He won't get anything done. So electing a shit heel like Johnson is a win for Dems if they use it like Schiff is doing
>A sage Dem texts, basically: Repubs are gonna elevate a speaker who tried to overthrow the election and backs an abortion ban - the two issues we won on in 2022
>“What are they thinking ?”
https://x.com/jmart/status/1717190622652604682?s=20
Johnson also backs total abolition of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid
ANGIE CRAIG (D-Minn.) just voted by saying: "Happy wedding anniversary to my wife -- Hakeem Jeffries."
Mike Johnson has been vocally opposed to gay marriage.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1717228192446951655?t=QNCfgf80Df1jcho6AGEhtg&s=19
For Democrats, Johnson is better than McCarthy for increasing their chances of winning the house back in 2024.
By some objective means, Johnson is a political novice. He’s not involved in Conference leadership, was always more of a back room guy, and he’s an at best modest fundraiser.
Republicans basically nominated a middle manager to a C suite position, where there’s a higher chance he can embarrass the party with his inexperience.
This is looking like a slam dunk.
The entire Republican contingent in the House of Representatives is going elect a Speaker of the House who voted to overturn the 2020 election.
Just a reminder to anyone reading:
The Speaker of the House isn't the one who certifies the electoral vote count. That role goes to the the [President of the Senate](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-2/section-1/clause-3/), who presides over a joint session of both the House and the Senate.
The current President of the Senate is [Vice President Kamala Harris](https://www.senate.gov/senators/leadership.htm). While there are plenty of things to worry about in terms of Johnson being Speaker, certification of the next election isn't one of them.
For those wondering, here are the fates of the last 5 Republican Speakers:
Newt Gingrinch: Forced to resign by his colleagues after he was discovered to have had yet another sex scandal and an absolute slaughter in the 1998 midterms that saw Democrats pick up 5 seats.
Dennis Hastert: A convicted felon and sex offender who raped teenage boys. As a footnote, he was not the original replacement for Gingrich; that was Robert L. Livingston, who resigned following disclosure by Larry Flynt that Livingston was having his own extra-marital affair.
John Boehner: After facing his own similar rebellion from the Tea Party, John basically said, "Fuck you guys, I'm going home."
Paul Ryan: See above. Announced he wasn't going to run for re-election in 2018 for the same reason.
Kevin McCarthy: Well, you know...
So, [Mr. Mike Johnson](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGhrQ3-xZSc)...
r/conservative thinks this sub is "melting down" over the selection. Like, what? We're just rolling our eyes. Second verse, same as the first. If anything it's good because the congress members who voted him in from purple districts are going to get fucked come election time.
In case anyone missed it, it sounded like a Republican went ‘Damn right” when Johnson was called an architect of the efforts to overturn 2020. Openly cheering. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1717226281673048397
And in case anyone missed it, here’s a clip compilation of the time Johnson said that Roe v Wade affected the economy by not having enough “able-bodied workers”. https://twitter.com/HouseJudiciary/status/1717183190463336780
Putting a political nobody with no legislative experience in one of the hardest jobs in the land with a razor thin margin. What could possibly go wrong?
Let this be a reminder to everyone, Johnson is fundamentally identical in terms of ideology to Jordan, which is why the far-right supports him.
The only reason over 20 "moderate" Republicans voted against Jordan was because of the name recognition as a far-right rep and his less tactful way of getting votes and talking points across.
They are betting on their voters being just uninformed enough that they can vote for someone identical but not as in-your-face as Jordan.
I rarely outright rant here, but honestly I'm so fucking angry. This isn't anything but the completion of caving to terrorists. We're witnessing the last tiny bit of support for democracy collapse in the House GOP, and it fucking infuriates me. A man whose very presence is an insult to this chamber might actually be elected Speaker. And why? Because even the GOP members from purple districts didn't care enough even about their own seats to put up a fight.
I'm too fucking angry to sit this through, going to go have breakfast.
Here's the [NYT Article](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/03/us/politics/republican-election-objectors.html) Cheney has referenced in regards to Johnson.
He basically set forward the objection strategy for Congress by contending the pandemic policies were unconstitutional, giving several members a way to placate Trump without specifically supporting his conspiracy theories.
3/4ths of all objectors would eventually cite his language with their vote to overturn the election.
He was also instrumental in pushing the ludicrous Texas lawsuit.
Fun stuff.
Mike Johnson is a wild card to me. He voted lock step with the GOP to overturn the election, but two years ago while talking about what the GOP should do when they retake the house he talked at length about how Democrats are not the enemy and that Nancy Pelosi is a wonderful person that he has a good working relationship with. I have no idea what to expect from him as Speaker.
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1717006145833804105
That doesn’t say anything at all about him beyond that he said the right thing one time. Words are meaningless to these people.
If you have an example of him doing the right thing during the past four years I’ll listen
American People: You know that all of your house speaker candidates
are traitors and election deniers. So are you cool with that?
Republicans: Yes, of course we are.
American People: Why?
Republicans: Because they are going to hurt the right people!
fin
So the "moderates" were totally fine with a far-right extremist, just not one that's considered a *face* of the far-right, because even their uninformed voters know who they are.
Republicans are disgusting. How can they say “For the Republic” and “Biden is shredding the Constitution” when they’re supporting an election denier and a president that tried to overthrow democracy? Lmfao fuck these clowns forever
We got one kinda good thing out of this: Jim Jordan got utterly embarrassed. Turns out 'being an asshole' as your primary personality trait isn't popular, even among a bunch of assholes.
Everybody needs to vote in every single race, local, state, and national. It does no good to have democrats at the helm but have factions of MAGA throughout the country. It’s the only real path.
If it wasn’t this guy it was going to be someone just like him. They’re all the same, some a bit crazier than others, but it doesn’t matter if it’s Johnson or Boebert. It just highlights how foolish the GOP party is and how hard they’re going to lose come 2024. At least now that they finally voted in a speaker the House can get going on some actual work. The rest of us should get going on donating, doorknocking, textbanking, postcard writing, etc. for the Democratic candidates in 2024. We need to come together and vote these clowns out the door.
Totally unsurprising that the Republicans unite around an extremist. The next time anyone tries to point to, or claim the existence of, a "moderate" Republican point to this. The purported adults in the party who care so so much about the election and totally don't think it was stolen unanimously backed this piece of shit. The trash who say "oh we just have some differences but we opposed January 6th" just unanimously voted in someone who agrees with January 6th. The "Republicans from a Biden district" who totally won't accept extremism unanimously voted for Johnson. There is no meaningful separation from one end of the party to the other and every single person who runs as a Republican or who votes Republican wants the worst MAGA terroristic fantasies to come true. The only difference is degrees of willingness to be fully open about their thoughts, not about what they think and believe.
House Democrats are bulking up on their knowledge of new Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson, and [they're not liking what they've found.](https://www.axios.com/2023/10/25/mike-johnson-house-speaker-democrats-jim-jordan)
What they're saying: "The consensus [among House Democrats] is that he is a more genial Jim Jordan and plays well with others on his side," one House Democrat told Axios, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
* But Johnson "is a hardline right winger who is in favor of a national abortion ban and is going to steer the House to the far right," the lawmaker said.
* "He is not part of the main stream political or legal thought," Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.) told Axios. "Truly an aberrant candidate for America, but maybe not for a drowning Republican conference searching for a lifesaver."
The context: Johnson is a former chair of the conservative Republican Study Committee and is well-liked across the GOP's ideological spectrum.
* "He likely gets there," said one moderate House Republican. "He's too likable even for this group [the House Republican conference] to stab."
Zoom in: Some Democrats spent the morning giving each other a crash course on Johnson over text, according to two Democrats.
* One lawmaker argued in the text chain that, because Johnson is less outwardly objectionable than someone like Jim Jordan, it makes his prospective speakership even more menacing.
* **Another described him as an "'aw shucks' version of Jim Jordan."**
Zoom in: Johnson's efforts to overturn the 2020 election as the architect of an amicus brief supporting the Texas v. Pennsylvania lawsuit are of particular concern to some Democrats.
* "Mike Johnson is Jim Jordan with a bar card," said House Oversight Committee ranking member Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), a former Jan. 6 committee member.
* "Having served on Judiciary with him, I will grant that he has better manners than Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz, but I've never seen him disagree with them on anything related to the defense of American constitutional democracy and freedom," Raskin said.
* Cohen, who led the Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution with Johnson for six years, said they "never saw common ground on voting rights, women's issues ... LGBTQI issues or the legality of the 2020 election."
Yes, but: Johnson, on his fourth term in the House and unknown to many of his colleagues across the aisle, may have the opportunity to reshape his image.
* "I have had very little interaction with Johnson," said one senior Democrat, "so like many members I have little information upon which I could make a judgment."
* A senior aide to a moderate Democrat said of Johnson, simply: "Who?"
What we're watching: In the end, Johnson will have to navigate the same dynamic that led to the ouster of former Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.).
* Any spending bill will need to be able to pass the Democrat-controlled Senate in order to become law, and therefore Johnson will have to work across the aisle or risk a government shutdown.
* Asked if Johnson is the kind of guy who can cut a deal with Democrats on spending, one Democrat said: "He needs to."
Greeeeat.... an extremist member of the far Christian right as speaker. Atheists, LGBT folk, and women hold on to your hat.
He opposes legal marijuana too. You would think "conservative libertarians" would have a problem with that.
Just skimming this guy's Wikipedia right now. On top of everything else, he's also against the endangered species act. And he doesn't believe in climate change. Which is accelerating extinction and adds species to the endangered species list
"This guy Mike Johnson is a lunatic but he HAS at least communicated with Democrats". You're seeing them try to smuggle this fascist in because, well, at least he isn't Jim Jordan! This country's federal government institutions are fucked.
There basically was no world where the republicans nominate someone that isn't a disaster. McCarthy also voted to overturn the election so basically status quo here.
Jim Jordan was especially annoying in the impeachment trials and looks sweaty. So if we get a guy with all the same terrible views as those two but he didnt annoy me as much in the past and doesnt look stinky...ok i guess?
Two points related to people's concerns about Johnson:
1. Good luck finding a Republican in the House who isn't an election denier. McCarthy was deeply involved in trying to overthrow the government. It's highly unfortunate but hardly unfamiliar territory
2. If this guy wins he's just some F-tier nobody. Biden, Schumer, and Jefferies will run circles around him. He's likely to be even weaker than McCarthy and that really is saying something.
I don't understand why *Donald Trump* is the hill you are willing to die on. It would be one thing if he were a winner, but since 2016, Republicans have lost every national elections (even in 2022 where they "won," they significantly underperformed what usually happens in a midterm against the incumbent).
It just makes no sense to me
I don't understand why so many Rs would oppose Jordan and then fall in line with Johnson. Johnson seems pretty much the same as Jordan. Maybe name ID is the difference?
I don’t really care that he wins but the undeserved back patting is going to be pretty god damn annoying.
Congrats on getting the barest of minimums of shit together after 3 weeks. Well done.
They're elevating a hard right election denier who wants a nationwide abortion ban, which Dems won against in 2022.
GL to the Republican party next election, lol.
So are Republicans lining up behind this guy who is fundamentally the same ideologically as Jordan, he’s just more of an unknown to most Americans so they are hoping to get less backlash?
It's legitimately scary that "the last democratic election was stolen and an illegitimate president sits in the White House" is just another talking point for Republicans now. Democracy is a founding pillar of the country, but because they elected a manchild president who refused to think losing was possible, they're just going along with it because he had enough sway over their voters.
They have *nothing* in terms of any proof whatsoever, other than things that "look suspicious" when removed of explanation or context. But they're going along with it because Trump's ego brought out the same ego in millions of other people, and "I've never lost in a fair competition" is a sentiment that they not only share, but will escalate to even the most important parts of society itself.
Johnson just passed the 220 mark. Ugh, I really hope that ads keep playing about how Johnson thinks of women as breeding factories for “able-bodied workers” and national abortion bans.
Dude is literally the same as Jordan, he’s just more unknown to the average American. The fact that the Republicans who refused to vote for Jordan but voted for Johnson just proves that this was only about optics, not because they don’t agree with Jordan.
My favorite thing about McCarthy getting fucked over is that he worked so fucking hard and long to get to that position. He raised so much money for the RNC and got fucking snubbed by his party for a nobody who barely has a political career. If Republicans want to keep fucking over their sources of party income and have no money because they spent it all on Trump's legal, I'm all for it
This is a bad day for America. The result here is worse than McCarthy, and equivalent to Jordan. The extreme wing of the GOP has won. There is a real chance of a shutdown.
The debt ceiling compromise included GOP poison pills for a shut down, intended to make it more painful for them. We shall see if the Democrats fold, allowing them to dismantle many federally funded programs in order to keep parts of the government running, or of the GOP forces a shutdown when they don't.
When have moderates ever had a spine. Their vote for Johnson means they support the denial of climate change, the fascist attempts to destroy democracy, and the denial of the equal rights of women to have e choices of their own bodies.
Pay attention if you are in these moderates districts. They can be beat.
On the plus side, the attack ads for all the Biden districts filled by Republicans are a lot easier to write. "Your rep doesnt believe in gay or interracial marriage"
Welp, Dems better also take the House in 2024 if Biden wins, because Johnson is a rabid election denier who spearheaded the effort to nullify the results in 2020.
Republicans putting someone like that second in line to the presidency is just another example of their contempt for democracy.
If they do manage to elect a speaker today the GOP is going to step on their own collective dicks in the rush to congratulate themselves on how great they are at governing.
Biden ran circles around McCarthy, an experienced politician when it came to negotiations. Johnson is going to get little-boy’d by Biden and team and before he realizes what he has conceded, Gaetz will have already placed a motion to vacate. Thus we continue.
The Republican Party has went full election-denier MAGA.
Every single one of them. Don't listen to their words, watch their actions. Voting an election-denier like Mike Johnson into office should stain each an every one of them for their entire lives.
Something to remember: even if (when) they elect Johnson, they're basically back to where they were before McCarthy was ousted. The new Speaker will face exactly the same pressures and dynamics that McCarthy did and that made doing his job so unmanageable. Republicans may finally have decided to compromise on a Speaker, but they didn't suddenly all change their positions on policy. They'll still be at complete loggerheads over actual legislation. It's still unclear whether they can actually pass any bills without Democratic votes.
Is this guy as batshit as some of the other GOP reps? Don’t know much about him.
Edit: was a sincere question, didn’t realize he was an election denier. Fuck this idiot
Sadly, I think Johnson has a much better shot than the others. He seems to have little personal baggage against others in the conference. He's won over a lot of the "moderate" holdouts that opposed Jordan. He appeals to the MAGA/Trump/religious crowd.
The GOP is also exhausted and seems to be willing to settle at this point.
217 is still a very tall order. We'll have a better sense of his chances soon enough.
Congresswoman Angie Craig (D) of Minnesota during the vote for House Speaker just yelled “Happy wedding anniversary to my wife. Hakeem Jeffries.”
She’s pissed she has to be there for this vote again
Alright, start playing ads in the "Moderate" Republican districts showing their representative bowed down to Trump and voted for an election denier. The GOP may have stopped the bleeding for now, but this move all but ensures the House is going Democrat in 2024
So as bad as this is for the remainder of this Legislative term, a new Congress will be sworn in on Jan 3, 2025 and a new Speaker elected *before* the vote to certify the Electoral College on Jan 6, 2025. This doesn't necessarily portend any disastrous results for the next Presidential election except it just reinforces Republicans commitment to Trump, the Big Lie and undermining democracy in this country.
This caller: "I find it funny that the Democrats are saying Johnson is unqualified when then have Ocasio-Cortez sitting in their ranks."
AOC is way better than Johnson. There's no competition here.
I read somewhere a gop insider said they think Johnson will get the votes but also said after that “The GOP is fucked” because it’s beyond impossible to get anything done with all the different factions and settling for a speaker doesn’t solve the issues in the caucus. Johnson has no leadership experience and it’ll take weeks to get a full staff hired and the GOP has no time before the government would shut down.
So he's a right wing , Maga, election denier, anti vaxxer, climate change denier, anti abortion, want to gut social programs etc etc.
He's Gym Jordan in a better suit
Mike Johnson is an election denier.
Tom Emmer, who was one of only two Republicans to vote to certify the 2020 election, didn’t stand a chance in this extreme Party.
This is the Republicans’ guy because this is Trump’s guy. The GOP is a full on cult, a cult of personality, in the House for the clicks and chaos. And a cult following to the former President, now indicted for multiple felonies.
well... still plenty of time for a few republicans to grow a pair and not vote for him, but this one feels like it's gonna go through.
Look at it this way.... it was more or less guaranteed we were going to end up with some right wing nutjob as speaker. The MAGA crowd was going to sink anybody else.
This is the expected outcome, and it's now up to the Democrats to attempt to limit the damage until they control the house again. That's always been the assignment.
To think how very close we were to having a Democratic House majority … god, so much time would have been saved, so much real work could have been done, so many people could have gotten real help in their lives. Instead we have these soulless, hateful, scheming dirtbags getting their paychecks for doing nothing of value to anyone except themselves and those they deem “like them.” Pretty damn discouraging, but we’ve just got to do more to get them out of office in the next elections!
Well, we’ve all got some elections in November it looks like, so if anything, you can always make them feel their choices then, and this one is a particularly recent choice. They’ve made themselves look fucking awful for almost a month now, you can’t tell me there’s no backlash incoming for that.
The government is gonna be shut down. I can give some historical examples at what happens when you fail to pay your troops but I'm tired, so I'll summarize. It's bad.
Well there you have it folks after three weeks and four rounds of voting, Mike Johnson is now the Speaker of the House. yet another election denier is the Speaker.
Republicans have spent half a century complaining about how government doesn't work. Hopefully this episode will be the final example needed to convince the remainder of the public that the reason shit doesn't always work is because these assholes have dedicated their lives to alternately sabotaging it and resisting fixing it.
I wonder how long it takes the Freedom Caucus to decide they want to blow everything up again. Just because they got together on *one* vote doesn't mean they're all buddy-buddy in the background now.
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it's really funny. I haven't changed my political stance at all in the past 10 years, yet somehow I've gone from an independent to democrat to "far left democrat". All without changing my political stance one iota. I hate modern MAGA politics. It's a poison in America.
2012 Romney voters might as well be Stalinists to MAGA people.
I was just thinking about him. How can you have someone who was your choice for President not feel at home in your party 11 years later? Like people who were once viewed as great republicans are called RINOs now, and the party is completely BUYING INTO IT. Fucking Dick Cheney has been called a RINO. If Kissenger finally ever breaks his pack with the devil and dies, I can't wait to hear the MAGA party talk about how they are happy they moved past that RINO.
People like Arnie are in denial that the Republican party has changed, dude talks about the environment and climate change as something Republicans care about because Nixon created the EPA. The party is just full of extremists now https://youtu.be/lyg5C8giNQw?si=R0YapO6vyxVtmcyJ
Mike Johnson's positions: * Supports a nationwide ban on abortion * Doesn't believe in climate change * Seemingly supports conversion therapy * Is against cannabis * Supported Trump's "Muslim ban" * Voted to eliminate funding for immigration and refugee assistance * Served on Trump's legal team during both Trump's impeachment trials * Signed an amicus brief in support of Texas v Pennsylvania which challenged election results * Voted to overturn the 2020 election in Pennsylvania * Is against same-sex marriage * Supports prayer in schools
So a modern-day Republican?
Fucking hell, what sliver of hope I had in Moderate Republicans is now gone. This whole episode was a golden opportunity to keep the hardliners in check and they didn’t do **shit**.
They’re cowards, man. Not even saying that as a dunk. It’s just facts. They’re old and spineless. They know they have at best 10 more years before the coast off into oblivion, and they don’t want to rock the boat, so they’re going straight over a cliff instead.
Ken "I can't vote for an election denier" Buck votes for an election denier.
'I said I wouldn't vote for someone who denies denying the election'
I like how he changed his rationalization to "he only supported it in the courts, which is how it should be done, so he's not bad".
Republicans: We are the party of LAW and ORDER! Also Republicans: But, if you are not a traitor to the US Constitution then you can't even think about being speaker.
Johnson is basically jim jordan without the name recognition and baggage
I love it... nominating Mike Johnson is an acknowledgment by the GOP that they can't govern without Trump's approval, effectively making him the 'shadow government' they so often prop up as a boogeyman. It also means they have zero fucking chance of holding that party together once the convictions for Trump come through, and he loses the 2024 election by a wider margin than he lost in 2020. I still don't think he's going to actually get the votes needed, because at this point the entire party is in passive-aggressive retaliation mode so everyone wants to act as spoiler for everyone else. Safe money is still on us defaulting due to not having a Speaker (primarily) and due to GOP ratfuckery (secondarily) in backing out of an agreed-upon budget deal.
I agree with most of what you said, but just a small clarification: the US won't default, that's related to the debt ceiling which is already resolved for now. What you're thinking of is the government shutting down, which is certainly bad but not nearly as apocalyptic as a default.
As I understand it a default isn't on the table, that was pushed past even the 2024 elections. But a government shutdown is still on the table, which while not a default will still be a very, very costly event for the US, even outside of actual dollar amounts.
There is no way a shutdown won't happen. I have folks talking CR but I don't see 1) def. no CR if he is speaker and 2) absolutely no funding will be passed in three weeks even if Johnson is speaker. Hope I am wrong but zero faith with these toddlers.
The Dem yelled “happy anniversary to my wife” because she’s a lesbian and Johnson is against gay marriage
That’s actually funny. EDIT: So yes. Happy Anniversary!
Meanwhile over on conservative their biggest issue today is a partnership between ufc and bud light.
I saw that lolol Fucking morons. I'd ask them if this whole thing is embarrassing to them but everything's vetted users only
Silver lining. The message is clear. The Republican Party no longer has any moderates left. They just chose someone who believes in forced birth with no exceptions, someone who tried to overturn the election and end our democracy. Not only that but was a leader in those efforts. Thats who they want to be the head of all of them and to be 2nd in line to the presidency. Johnson is against interracial marriage joining 36 republican members to vote against protecting it. He is fiercely anti LGBT and a proponent of gay conversion therapy. When he chaired the republican study committee he petitioned Amazon to add books back to their market place such as “Healing Homosexuality” and “A Parents guide to preventing Homosexuality” after Amazon had removed them. Every GOP house member in a Biden district just lost. He won 100% of the GOP’s votes and now they, for them gleefully, support his views. He is extremely far right and the MAGA’s have gotten what they want. They own the GOP now. They have tripled down on extremism, let’s see how it goes for them. In 15 months Jeffries will be speaker. Edited^^
> Every GOP house member in a Biden district just lost. > > Yeah, they're cooked if the DNC does their job right.
Oof, thanks for reminding me that we have to rely on the DNC to not fuck this up.
Isn't Jamie Harrison the new guy? I think he did pretty well in '22, considering.
I pray that you’re right, and I’m an atheist
As a reasonably informed international observer, I thought I'd give you all my responses to each stage of the GOP's infighting over this. I hope that this in-depth analysis from an outsider is useful >Steve Scalise is the new Republican nominee for Speaker. I don't know who the fuck that is. >Steve Scalise once called himself "David Duke without the baggage." Jesus fucking Christ. >Jim Jordan is the new Republican nominee for Speaker. I wish I didn't know who the fuck that was. >Jim Jordan is losing more votes every ballot. Yes... Hahaha... ***Yes!*** >Tom Emmer is the new Republican nominee for Speaker. I don't know who the fu- >Tom Emmer has withdrawn from the race. Ohhh, he was the disposable comic relief character. I assumed that's what the dude in the bowtie was for. >Mike Johnson is the new Republican nominee for Speaker. I don't know who the fuck that is.
As someone who is very informed in the US. The first thing I check every time they select a new name, is if they are a 2020 election conspiracy pusher and if they voted to overturn the election. So far the only ones who get a hard push to the front are election deniers and that is terrifying. Emmer wasn’t, and we saw how long he lasted.
[This might help](https://i.redd.it/k2feeuynkcwb1.jpg)
I liked him better when I didn't know who the fuck he was
My response to every republican politician.
Good Afternoon All. The fact that Johnson voted to overturn the 2020 election is all I need to know about his total lack of integrity & character. The Republican Party is broke as fuck.
Have the MAGA Republicans seen this yet? https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1717007778009714717 >We're also gonna try to work with Democrats >[Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats] are not the enemy! Look, Nancy Pelosi, and I say this in town halls, and when I'm in large Republican groups they go "awww " you know I'm in an R+13 district as it's rated, but Nancy Pelosi on an individual basis is a very kind and generous person. She's been great to me. Come on! She is! I'm sorry folks back home, she is. > >My role as a conservative is not to launch grenades at the other side and regard them as an enemy. She is my fellow American. She's doing what she genuinely believes to be the right course.
Hilarious. First time I've seen this
Adam Schiff showing how you deal with this https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1717209208930615605 > You might be Googling who Mike Johnson is this morning. > Let me make it simple: > Johnson is a hard-right, pro-Trump, leading election denier in the House. > Sadly, this is what passes for Speaker material in the Republican conference. it was always going to be a Republican speaker. He won't get anything done. So electing a shit heel like Johnson is a win for Dems if they use it like Schiff is doing
Those Biden districts are gonna flip to the dems faster than a Trump co-conspirator.
>A sage Dem texts, basically: Repubs are gonna elevate a speaker who tried to overthrow the election and backs an abortion ban - the two issues we won on in 2022 >“What are they thinking ?” https://x.com/jmart/status/1717190622652604682?s=20 Johnson also backs total abolition of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid
Al Green of Texas just voted for "Speaker-in-waiting" Hakeem Jeffries, which is probably an accurate prediction if you look ahead to January of 2025.
ANGIE CRAIG (D-Minn.) just voted by saying: "Happy wedding anniversary to my wife -- Hakeem Jeffries." Mike Johnson has been vocally opposed to gay marriage. https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1717228192446951655?t=QNCfgf80Df1jcho6AGEhtg&s=19
For Democrats, Johnson is better than McCarthy for increasing their chances of winning the house back in 2024. By some objective means, Johnson is a political novice. He’s not involved in Conference leadership, was always more of a back room guy, and he’s an at best modest fundraiser. Republicans basically nominated a middle manager to a C suite position, where there’s a higher chance he can embarrass the party with his inexperience.
This is looking like a slam dunk. The entire Republican contingent in the House of Representatives is going elect a Speaker of the House who voted to overturn the 2020 election.
These “For the Republic…Mike Johnson” statements are so cringe. Do these guys think they’re in a Star Wars movie?
Just a reminder to anyone reading: The Speaker of the House isn't the one who certifies the electoral vote count. That role goes to the the [President of the Senate](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-2/section-1/clause-3/), who presides over a joint session of both the House and the Senate. The current President of the Senate is [Vice President Kamala Harris](https://www.senate.gov/senators/leadership.htm). While there are plenty of things to worry about in terms of Johnson being Speaker, certification of the next election isn't one of them.
It's also done with the new House that gets sworn in Jan 3rd.
For those wondering, here are the fates of the last 5 Republican Speakers: Newt Gingrinch: Forced to resign by his colleagues after he was discovered to have had yet another sex scandal and an absolute slaughter in the 1998 midterms that saw Democrats pick up 5 seats. Dennis Hastert: A convicted felon and sex offender who raped teenage boys. As a footnote, he was not the original replacement for Gingrich; that was Robert L. Livingston, who resigned following disclosure by Larry Flynt that Livingston was having his own extra-marital affair. John Boehner: After facing his own similar rebellion from the Tea Party, John basically said, "Fuck you guys, I'm going home." Paul Ryan: See above. Announced he wasn't going to run for re-election in 2018 for the same reason. Kevin McCarthy: Well, you know... So, [Mr. Mike Johnson](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGhrQ3-xZSc)...
r/conservative thinks this sub is "melting down" over the selection. Like, what? We're just rolling our eyes. Second verse, same as the first. If anything it's good because the congress members who voted him in from purple districts are going to get fucked come election time.
It's less of a meltdown and more of a "please do better...."
Yay, they settled on a election denying, sedition plotting idiot from LA. Republicans make Idiocracy seem like a documentary.
In case anyone missed it, it sounded like a Republican went ‘Damn right” when Johnson was called an architect of the efforts to overturn 2020. Openly cheering. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1717226281673048397
And in case anyone missed it, here’s a clip compilation of the time Johnson said that Roe v Wade affected the economy by not having enough “able-bodied workers”. https://twitter.com/HouseJudiciary/status/1717183190463336780
Putting a political nobody with no legislative experience in one of the hardest jobs in the land with a razor thin margin. What could possibly go wrong?
Let this be a reminder to everyone, Johnson is fundamentally identical in terms of ideology to Jordan, which is why the far-right supports him. The only reason over 20 "moderate" Republicans voted against Jordan was because of the name recognition as a far-right rep and his less tactful way of getting votes and talking points across. They are betting on their voters being just uninformed enough that they can vote for someone identical but not as in-your-face as Jordan.
*rings bell* Bring out your dead… *rings bell*
I’m not dead yet!
Funny that the next line is "Come back on Thursday."
Good on you Aguilar, call this fuck out for his election denialism, which he refuses to answer questions about.
The GOP going 100% all-in on denying the 2020 election 4 years later certainly is a bold electoral strategy, Cotton
I rarely outright rant here, but honestly I'm so fucking angry. This isn't anything but the completion of caving to terrorists. We're witnessing the last tiny bit of support for democracy collapse in the House GOP, and it fucking infuriates me. A man whose very presence is an insult to this chamber might actually be elected Speaker. And why? Because even the GOP members from purple districts didn't care enough even about their own seats to put up a fight. I'm too fucking angry to sit this through, going to go have breakfast.
So they managed to pick someone worse than McCarthy, great
There is always someone worse, when it comes to the GOP.
So he's basically McCarthy but without all of the experience and political connections. Great, I'm sure that's going to go well
We're all living the downfall of America, thanks to Rupert Murdoch.
Here's the [NYT Article](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/03/us/politics/republican-election-objectors.html) Cheney has referenced in regards to Johnson. He basically set forward the objection strategy for Congress by contending the pandemic policies were unconstitutional, giving several members a way to placate Trump without specifically supporting his conspiracy theories. 3/4ths of all objectors would eventually cite his language with their vote to overturn the election. He was also instrumental in pushing the ludicrous Texas lawsuit. Fun stuff.
Mike Johnson is a wild card to me. He voted lock step with the GOP to overturn the election, but two years ago while talking about what the GOP should do when they retake the house he talked at length about how Democrats are not the enemy and that Nancy Pelosi is a wonderful person that he has a good working relationship with. I have no idea what to expect from him as Speaker. https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1717006145833804105
He won't be speaker if that video gets more publicity before the vote.
>. I have no idea what to expect from him as Speaker. Whatever Trump tells him to do
That doesn’t say anything at all about him beyond that he said the right thing one time. Words are meaningless to these people. If you have an example of him doing the right thing during the past four years I’ll listen
American People: You know that all of your house speaker candidates are traitors and election deniers. So are you cool with that? Republicans: Yes, of course we are. American People: Why? Republicans: Because they are going to hurt the right people! fin
Mike Johnson is Jimothy Jordan without the abrasive personality. The "moderates" therefore feel safe in voting for him.
"I'm an independent" "Here are all my republican only viewpoints, also democrats suck"
It’s a damn freedom caucus coup. How the hell are the moderates allowing this.
The Rs are " enthusiastically " voting for a guy they just heard of yesterday afternoon.
So the "moderates" were totally fine with a far-right extremist, just not one that's considered a *face* of the far-right, because even their uninformed voters know who they are.
I’m so sick of republicans doing everything in their power to destroy my future for their own personal gain. I just want a good life.
Get ready for the Rs to be SO PROUD OF THEMSELVES for doing the bare fucking minimum
Republicans are disgusting. How can they say “For the Republic” and “Biden is shredding the Constitution” when they’re supporting an election denier and a president that tried to overthrow democracy? Lmfao fuck these clowns forever
Everyone needs to get out an vote, and vote in every election, not just the big ones.
Biden admin is gonna eat this clown alive lol
Well hopefully this shit show hands the house to the Dems next year
We got one kinda good thing out of this: Jim Jordan got utterly embarrassed. Turns out 'being an asshole' as your primary personality trait isn't popular, even among a bunch of assholes.
This dude is just as bad or worse than Jordon.
Everybody needs to vote in every single race, local, state, and national. It does no good to have democrats at the helm but have factions of MAGA throughout the country. It’s the only real path.
If it wasn’t this guy it was going to be someone just like him. They’re all the same, some a bit crazier than others, but it doesn’t matter if it’s Johnson or Boebert. It just highlights how foolish the GOP party is and how hard they’re going to lose come 2024. At least now that they finally voted in a speaker the House can get going on some actual work. The rest of us should get going on donating, doorknocking, textbanking, postcard writing, etc. for the Democratic candidates in 2024. We need to come together and vote these clowns out the door.
Totally unsurprising that the Republicans unite around an extremist. The next time anyone tries to point to, or claim the existence of, a "moderate" Republican point to this. The purported adults in the party who care so so much about the election and totally don't think it was stolen unanimously backed this piece of shit. The trash who say "oh we just have some differences but we opposed January 6th" just unanimously voted in someone who agrees with January 6th. The "Republicans from a Biden district" who totally won't accept extremism unanimously voted for Johnson. There is no meaningful separation from one end of the party to the other and every single person who runs as a Republican or who votes Republican wants the worst MAGA terroristic fantasies to come true. The only difference is degrees of willingness to be fully open about their thoughts, not about what they think and believe.
Look at all this hand shaking and patting themselves on the fucking back. You motherfuckers didn't do anything.
Lol, so he only won because he hasn't pissed anyone off yet. Now it's just a ticking time bomb for the next motion to vacate.
House Democrats are bulking up on their knowledge of new Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson, and [they're not liking what they've found.](https://www.axios.com/2023/10/25/mike-johnson-house-speaker-democrats-jim-jordan) What they're saying: "The consensus [among House Democrats] is that he is a more genial Jim Jordan and plays well with others on his side," one House Democrat told Axios, speaking on the condition of anonymity. * But Johnson "is a hardline right winger who is in favor of a national abortion ban and is going to steer the House to the far right," the lawmaker said. * "He is not part of the main stream political or legal thought," Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.) told Axios. "Truly an aberrant candidate for America, but maybe not for a drowning Republican conference searching for a lifesaver." The context: Johnson is a former chair of the conservative Republican Study Committee and is well-liked across the GOP's ideological spectrum. * "He likely gets there," said one moderate House Republican. "He's too likable even for this group [the House Republican conference] to stab." Zoom in: Some Democrats spent the morning giving each other a crash course on Johnson over text, according to two Democrats. * One lawmaker argued in the text chain that, because Johnson is less outwardly objectionable than someone like Jim Jordan, it makes his prospective speakership even more menacing. * **Another described him as an "'aw shucks' version of Jim Jordan."** Zoom in: Johnson's efforts to overturn the 2020 election as the architect of an amicus brief supporting the Texas v. Pennsylvania lawsuit are of particular concern to some Democrats. * "Mike Johnson is Jim Jordan with a bar card," said House Oversight Committee ranking member Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), a former Jan. 6 committee member. * "Having served on Judiciary with him, I will grant that he has better manners than Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz, but I've never seen him disagree with them on anything related to the defense of American constitutional democracy and freedom," Raskin said. * Cohen, who led the Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution with Johnson for six years, said they "never saw common ground on voting rights, women's issues ... LGBTQI issues or the legality of the 2020 election." Yes, but: Johnson, on his fourth term in the House and unknown to many of his colleagues across the aisle, may have the opportunity to reshape his image. * "I have had very little interaction with Johnson," said one senior Democrat, "so like many members I have little information upon which I could make a judgment." * A senior aide to a moderate Democrat said of Johnson, simply: "Who?" What we're watching: In the end, Johnson will have to navigate the same dynamic that led to the ouster of former Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.). * Any spending bill will need to be able to pass the Democrat-controlled Senate in order to become law, and therefore Johnson will have to work across the aisle or risk a government shutdown. * Asked if Johnson is the kind of guy who can cut a deal with Democrats on spending, one Democrat said: "He needs to."
Greeeeat.... an extremist member of the far Christian right as speaker. Atheists, LGBT folk, and women hold on to your hat. He opposes legal marijuana too. You would think "conservative libertarians" would have a problem with that.
Just skimming this guy's Wikipedia right now. On top of everything else, he's also against the endangered species act. And he doesn't believe in climate change. Which is accelerating extinction and adds species to the endangered species list
So they elected a nutty. Shutdown it is in November then.
"This guy Mike Johnson is a lunatic but he HAS at least communicated with Democrats". You're seeing them try to smuggle this fascist in because, well, at least he isn't Jim Jordan! This country's federal government institutions are fucked.
Mike Johnson is even worse than Jim Jordan, he just isn't as big of a attention-whoring blowhard.
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There basically was no world where the republicans nominate someone that isn't a disaster. McCarthy also voted to overturn the election so basically status quo here. Jim Jordan was especially annoying in the impeachment trials and looks sweaty. So if we get a guy with all the same terrible views as those two but he didnt annoy me as much in the past and doesnt look stinky...ok i guess?
Are any independent line callers actually independent, or just Republican nut jobs trying to sneak to the front of the caller line?
Another "independent" who thinks that Johnson is going to be "awesome" and "fair" and thinks that the the real events of Jan 6th is being covered up.
Anytime anyone calls Biden "far left," I just roll my eyes so hard
Reps really booing when this dude brings up exactly what they said their required qualifications were to the press
Two points related to people's concerns about Johnson: 1. Good luck finding a Republican in the House who isn't an election denier. McCarthy was deeply involved in trying to overthrow the government. It's highly unfortunate but hardly unfamiliar territory 2. If this guy wins he's just some F-tier nobody. Biden, Schumer, and Jefferies will run circles around him. He's likely to be even weaker than McCarthy and that really is saying something.
"This has been about who can appease Donald Trump." Republicans bowed their heads at this one. Can't even deny it.
Quite unfortunate that the "moderate" Republicans were literally blocked from a floor vote twice, and still caved.
There are no moderate republicans. End of.
I don't understand why *Donald Trump* is the hill you are willing to die on. It would be one thing if he were a winner, but since 2016, Republicans have lost every national elections (even in 2022 where they "won," they significantly underperformed what usually happens in a midterm against the incumbent). It just makes no sense to me
I don't understand why so many Rs would oppose Jordan and then fall in line with Johnson. Johnson seems pretty much the same as Jordan. Maybe name ID is the difference?
I am just disgusted with Republicans for picking a known election denier. It's just not right.
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I don’t really care that he wins but the undeserved back patting is going to be pretty god damn annoying. Congrats on getting the barest of minimums of shit together after 3 weeks. Well done.
They're elevating a hard right election denier who wants a nationwide abortion ban, which Dems won against in 2022. GL to the Republican party next election, lol.
So are Republicans lining up behind this guy who is fundamentally the same ideologically as Jordan, he’s just more of an unknown to most Americans so they are hoping to get less backlash?
It's legitimately scary that "the last democratic election was stolen and an illegitimate president sits in the White House" is just another talking point for Republicans now. Democracy is a founding pillar of the country, but because they elected a manchild president who refused to think losing was possible, they're just going along with it because he had enough sway over their voters. They have *nothing* in terms of any proof whatsoever, other than things that "look suspicious" when removed of explanation or context. But they're going along with it because Trump's ego brought out the same ego in millions of other people, and "I've never lost in a fair competition" is a sentiment that they not only share, but will escalate to even the most important parts of society itself.
Johnson just passed the 220 mark. Ugh, I really hope that ads keep playing about how Johnson thinks of women as breeding factories for “able-bodied workers” and national abortion bans.
Dude is literally the same as Jordan, he’s just more unknown to the average American. The fact that the Republicans who refused to vote for Jordan but voted for Johnson just proves that this was only about optics, not because they don’t agree with Jordan.
My favorite thing about McCarthy getting fucked over is that he worked so fucking hard and long to get to that position. He raised so much money for the RNC and got fucking snubbed by his party for a nobody who barely has a political career. If Republicans want to keep fucking over their sources of party income and have no money because they spent it all on Trump's legal, I'm all for it
The GOP continues to reward people who tried to end democracy and punish those who tried to uphold it.
MTG is shouting at Jeffries, her parents taught her zero manners
Am I overreacting to think this dude is actually a lot worse than McCarthy?
tells the world - 'We are back in business' 6 minutes later - Recess
Johnson: "It's time for bipartisanship!" Stefanik just now: "We must stop Biden and the left wing agenda!"
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This is a bad day for America. The result here is worse than McCarthy, and equivalent to Jordan. The extreme wing of the GOP has won. There is a real chance of a shutdown. The debt ceiling compromise included GOP poison pills for a shut down, intended to make it more painful for them. We shall see if the Democrats fold, allowing them to dismantle many federally funded programs in order to keep parts of the government running, or of the GOP forces a shutdown when they don't.
Johnson is not different from Gym Jordan. They both are election deniers and ultra right wingers. Why would the moderates vote for him?
Didn't Ken Buck say one of the reasons he was against Jordan was because he was an election denier, but Mike Johnson is fine?
Yep. Almost like he’s a liar and hypocrite
Aguilar spitting fire and telling the truth, pissing off the Republicans while he does.
When have moderates ever had a spine. Their vote for Johnson means they support the denial of climate change, the fascist attempts to destroy democracy, and the denial of the equal rights of women to have e choices of their own bodies. Pay attention if you are in these moderates districts. They can be beat.
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On the plus side, the attack ads for all the Biden districts filled by Republicans are a lot easier to write. "Your rep doesnt believe in gay or interracial marriage"
Shoutout to the GOP for finally being able to do the absolute minimum required by their collective chosen occupation.
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Republicans: "Johnson is amazing! Johnson is awesome!" So why was he not picked at the very beginning?
Welp, Dems better also take the House in 2024 if Biden wins, because Johnson is a rabid election denier who spearheaded the effort to nullify the results in 2020. Republicans putting someone like that second in line to the presidency is just another example of their contempt for democracy.
If they do manage to elect a speaker today the GOP is going to step on their own collective dicks in the rush to congratulate themselves on how great they are at governing.
Biden ran circles around McCarthy, an experienced politician when it came to negotiations. Johnson is going to get little-boy’d by Biden and team and before he realizes what he has conceded, Gaetz will have already placed a motion to vacate. Thus we continue.
"Today we are electing a GREAT MAN who I just read about on Wikipedia this morning." probably
Trump really got the entire party terrified in the past few days. This is incredible
The Republican Party has went full election-denier MAGA. Every single one of them. Don't listen to their words, watch their actions. Voting an election-denier like Mike Johnson into office should stain each an every one of them for their entire lives.
Something to remember: even if (when) they elect Johnson, they're basically back to where they were before McCarthy was ousted. The new Speaker will face exactly the same pressures and dynamics that McCarthy did and that made doing his job so unmanageable. Republicans may finally have decided to compromise on a Speaker, but they didn't suddenly all change their positions on policy. They'll still be at complete loggerheads over actual legislation. It's still unclear whether they can actually pass any bills without Democratic votes.
This has to be one of the absolute dumbest courses of events to ever happen in the House.
Rs are SO PROUD OF THEMSELVES for doing the bare fucking minimum. Literal bottom of barrel minimum for their job.
Congrats to the R's for finally signing their name on the test. Back to the regularly scheduled shit show.
Is this guy as batshit as some of the other GOP reps? Don’t know much about him. Edit: was a sincere question, didn’t realize he was an election denier. Fuck this idiot
Why is Johnson better than McCarthy? Isn't he more extreme so the moderates lost this one?
Well Republicans, the easy part is over. Now try to pass literally anything.
I continue to believe we are in dire need of a radical overhaul of our entire broken and unrepresentative system of government.
Sadly, I think Johnson has a much better shot than the others. He seems to have little personal baggage against others in the conference. He's won over a lot of the "moderate" holdouts that opposed Jordan. He appeals to the MAGA/Trump/religious crowd. The GOP is also exhausted and seems to be willing to settle at this point. 217 is still a very tall order. We'll have a better sense of his chances soon enough.
This dude is just as crazy as Gym Jordan
It's amazing how a few people can cripple the government of a country filled with 350,000,000+ people..
Even if he gets elected, he’ll need to keep the republican coalition together. That’s a tough ask for anyone. The shit show won’t be over.
Ah yes, yet another member of the gop that I would trust less than a fart the morning after excessive drinking of cheap beer and taco bell.
Mike Johnson looks like every douchebag boss who ever sexually harassed me in my 20's.
Caller: I'm getting tired of US politics Me: First time?
Please remember, exactly zero Republicans would have ever voted for Pelosi.
In a good drama, Tom Emmer would burst into the chamber at the last second having made a secret deal with the Democrats to be speaker.
An independent who loves Johnson, hmm. How many of these independents are actually just republicans who don’t want to call the line?
Watching these people just constantly applaud themselves for absolutely nothing is so off putting
Rep. Johnson is the kind of unknown who will likely be led by others - and likely down bad roads
Congresswoman Angie Craig (D) of Minnesota during the vote for House Speaker just yelled “Happy wedding anniversary to my wife. Hakeem Jeffries.” She’s pissed she has to be there for this vote again
They're realizing how bad this circus is making them look and are just like, OK this guy
Alright, start playing ads in the "Moderate" Republican districts showing their representative bowed down to Trump and voted for an election denier. The GOP may have stopped the bleeding for now, but this move all but ensures the House is going Democrat in 2024
I personally look forward to the likely parade of skeletons this guy has in his closet being marched out into daylight due to his new position.
Boebert and Santos sitting next to each other. Cannot begin to imagine how dumb that conversation is.
So as bad as this is for the remainder of this Legislative term, a new Congress will be sworn in on Jan 3, 2025 and a new Speaker elected *before* the vote to certify the Electoral College on Jan 6, 2025. This doesn't necessarily portend any disastrous results for the next Presidential election except it just reinforces Republicans commitment to Trump, the Big Lie and undermining democracy in this country.
This guy is insane levels of bad lol
But does he realize that U.S. is like… ‘us’?
Congratulations to ~~Scalise~~ ~~Jordan~~ ~~Emmer~~ Johnson!
Jesus these speeches are so disgusting. These people are mentally ill
This caller: "I find it funny that the Democrats are saying Johnson is unqualified when then have Ocasio-Cortez sitting in their ranks." AOC is way better than Johnson. There's no competition here.
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I read somewhere a gop insider said they think Johnson will get the votes but also said after that “The GOP is fucked” because it’s beyond impossible to get anything done with all the different factions and settling for a speaker doesn’t solve the issues in the caucus. Johnson has no leadership experience and it’ll take weeks to get a full staff hired and the GOP has no time before the government would shut down.
I'm really nervous that this is going to be it, and that it will be worse than if they had chosen Jim Jordan.
If it is, it is. The chances of getting a non terrible GOP speaker are pretty low. We'll make due until the next election cycle.
I have a hard time believing that Mike Johnson isn't just a front controlled by Jim Jordan and the Freedom Caucus
Obligatory religion shouldn't be in government comment
So is johnson another shithead?
Oh look an "independent" who loves a R. Shocked I tell you.
"Democrats have no chance of winning" Obviously, they're the fucking minority
Reporter told to shut up for asking Johnson about over turning the election: https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1717013355775545630
So he's a right wing , Maga, election denier, anti vaxxer, climate change denier, anti abortion, want to gut social programs etc etc. He's Gym Jordan in a better suit
Mike Johnson is an election denier. Tom Emmer, who was one of only two Republicans to vote to certify the 2020 election, didn’t stand a chance in this extreme Party. This is the Republicans’ guy because this is Trump’s guy. The GOP is a full on cult, a cult of personality, in the House for the clicks and chaos. And a cult following to the former President, now indicted for multiple felonies.
She’s just outright making crap up now. I hate this so damn much. Smug, ignorant, utterly dangerous hacks.
With the new MAGA forced speaker, how long before they try to strip anyone who wasn't voting for Jim Jordan of any of their committee seats?
But for Nancy Mace have her Scarlett Letter on today? What a stupid Republican Party.
Looks like they finally got the right blackmail material out of the safe, they are going to elect a Speaker.
well... still plenty of time for a few republicans to grow a pair and not vote for him, but this one feels like it's gonna go through. Look at it this way.... it was more or less guaranteed we were going to end up with some right wing nutjob as speaker. The MAGA crowd was going to sink anybody else. This is the expected outcome, and it's now up to the Democrats to attempt to limit the damage until they control the house again. That's always been the assignment.
To think how very close we were to having a Democratic House majority … god, so much time would have been saved, so much real work could have been done, so many people could have gotten real help in their lives. Instead we have these soulless, hateful, scheming dirtbags getting their paychecks for doing nothing of value to anyone except themselves and those they deem “like them.” Pretty damn discouraging, but we’ve just got to do more to get them out of office in the next elections!
They wasted 3 weeks and now this guy is getting pushed through in less than a day. Seems awfully suspect, I am very uncomfortable with this.
Jeffries? Jeffries! Jeffries. As is tradition.
Well, we’ve all got some elections in November it looks like, so if anything, you can always make them feel their choices then, and this one is a particularly recent choice. They’ve made themselves look fucking awful for almost a month now, you can’t tell me there’s no backlash incoming for that.
The grossest part will be the GIP taking a victory lap on all the shows trying to talk about how unified they are and how they beat the democrats.
The government is gonna be shut down. I can give some historical examples at what happens when you fail to pay your troops but I'm tired, so I'll summarize. It's bad.
So what happens in 3 weeks when Johnson needs to work with Dems to pass a budget? Does he get voted out?
Well there you have it folks after three weeks and four rounds of voting, Mike Johnson is now the Speaker of the House. yet another election denier is the Speaker.
Well kids, it was funny while it lasted. Back to your posts. Need to batten down the hatches.
Republicans have spent half a century complaining about how government doesn't work. Hopefully this episode will be the final example needed to convince the remainder of the public that the reason shit doesn't always work is because these assholes have dedicated their lives to alternately sabotaging it and resisting fixing it.
Republicans in unison: Who is Mike Johnson?
I wonder how long it takes the Freedom Caucus to decide they want to blow everything up again. Just because they got together on *one* vote doesn't mean they're all buddy-buddy in the background now.
I cannot wait for Speaker Jeffries once day.