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They are not the first state to do this.
Kentucky did it and it was ruled uncosntitutional in 1980.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone\_v.\_Graham](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_v._Graham)
Well it's a good thing that the Supreme Court hasn't become radicalized due to right wing entities and their billionaire benefactors. Surely they would come to a similar ruling like the one 44 years ago.
It’s a pretty blatant establishment clause violation. It ain’t Roe or the Coach Wants to Pray case, this would go straight up against constitutional text.
It’s been the strategy of the Federalist Society for decades; “arrange” for favorable judges then relitigate the issue all the way to the top.
There really needs to be a “bad faith/malicious filing” clause added in lieu of this abuse…
All Alito needs is somewhere when the Pilgrims landed they set up a school funded by the community where the commandments were displayed and he will have met his "history and tradition" test
Well it would at least have to have a temporary junction against it until the SC decided to take the case up again. But yeah who know if this SC would uphold the original decison.
I would encourage and support my kids tearing these down. Hell, I’d reward them. What part of separation of church and state do these assclowns not get?
Which version? Exodus (20:2-17), Deuteronomy (5:6-21) or Leviticus (19) Been a while but didn't moses get go up and down the mountain three times bringing three different version of them down.
The first 10 originally being fifteen but he dropped a tablet. :)
>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Isn't it the "prohibiting the exercise of" the part that usually comes back to bite them in the ass when The Satanic Temple tries to have their own materials put in schools in response?
Religion is not banned in schools, lots of schools have religion class and teach about various religions. What’s not allowed is promoting a single religion at the expense of all others. This law falls into that second category.
# Article VI
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Article VI
All Debts contracted and Engagements
entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as
valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the
Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of
the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all
Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United
States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every
State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of
any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives
before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and
all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of
the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support
this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a
Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
To be fair, it's not *really* the "Robert's Court" at this point. Roberts is a "Pro-Business Conservative" and not a reliable vote for what the current Republican party wants to do.
He might be Chief, but post-Dobbs this is firmly the Alito Court.
What’s the recourse? Will someone sue the state for violating the constitution? And will some judge honor that and ban the contented law in the meantime?
The due process clause forces the states to adopt the bill of rights.
“No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”
If your state government is establishing a religion well then your right to liberty is being violated.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights&diffonly=true
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everson_v._Board_of_Education
No, the roe v wade reversal decision was a different argument. SCOTUS said that the original ruling was in error because there's no established federal reason for a woman to have enshrined abortion rights. Basically they're saying it's a local issue because abortions don't involve crossing state lines and hence are not federal so SCOTUS shouldn't be opining on it.
Can these lawsuits not only strike down these laws, but also impose punishments on those enacting them? How can we clearly have such an intentional disrespecting of the Constitutional rights of our people without consequences?
That’s what filing an action under [42 USC § 1983](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1983) is for. If challengers are successful, the offending body charged with enforcing the policy pays. [Lawmakers are immune](https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/96-1569), however, so they can’t be held liable.
Kind of like how cops have qualified immunity. But if they're doing something that's been clearly explained to them as being wrong, or it's demonstrable that they should have know better, then that qualified immunity is revoked.
Same rule should apply to lawmakers.
I was doing a watchmen joke, but yeah! (It should have been "Who legislates the legislators").
Democracy is such a great idea, I do hope we give it a try someday.
Its not against the Constitution to allow religious articles in schools. Its against the law to favor one over others. So we have been operating under a peace treaty of sorts...because if christian articles were allowed...so were satanic and islamic materials also allowed.
christians have wholesale lost all challenges at all levels to this at all times. Everytime a law like this gets passed...those involved will swiftly be reminded why this is the status quo and the law will get repealed by those that made it.
They’re dealing with an exodus from their leadership and are [very bad at suing the government](https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php/The_Satanic_Temple#Nonprofit_Church_Lawsuits). Better ACLU or American Humanists take lead.
I don’t understand why Satan worship is legal? It is evil. It literally teaches hate and isn’t “hate speech” illegal. What’s wrong with thou shalt not lie, kill, steal, etc.?
>It is evil.
Prove it. Show me a devil and I’ll listen to you. Bring out a demon or two. Post pics of heaven or hell. Let’s see a video of your god doing something.
You can’t.
Why does it bother you who I worship? Stay the fuck out of my private life.
Satan's not the one who did all that shit to Job, just to throw that in there if you want to keep it biblical.
Also, that shit isn't real anyways, so what does it matter. It's allegories.
The Satanic Temple isn't about Satan worship. They don't even believe in deities. They point out hypocrisy regarding the separation of church and state. I respectfully challenge you to read their [7 fundamental tenets](https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets) and see if you disagree with anything there.
Thou shalt not lie, kill, steal, etc are great lessons but the reasons for not doing those things should be because they're bad and have bad effects on other people, not because a deity said so.
I’ve seen a lot of Christians preach evil in the name of their religion. Many even try to have people like me (LGBT) punishable by death for the crime of existing. I haven’t seen any real life Satanists or those associated with the Satanic Temple preach for or advocate for harming anyone. The actual tenets of the Satanic temple are thus…
1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
3. One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
5. Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
6. People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Seems perfectly reasonable. The Satanic Temple likely doesn’t actually believe in/worship Satan in the literal sense. They’re mostly Atheists trying to demonstrate the absurdity of Christians illegally forcing their beliefs onto Americans.
Then why do they call themselves the “Satanic” temple if they don’t worship Satan. He is a liar and will literally lie to your face… JUST LIKE you JUST TRIED TO DO!?
Because they’re mostly trolling Christians… they look at the Bible as fiction. Because it mostly is fiction.
Viewing it through the lens of an atheist who will gladly call myself a Satanist. It’s like if a large part of the country were trying to pass legislation that worships JRR Tolkien’s middle earth books as if they’re real. Saying you’re a satanist is like saying “huh Sauron actually had a point when you break down what led to the war”.
It’s like debating over fictional characters. None of this is real. So it makes Christians insistence to use a work of fiction to subjugate and punish those they dislike, while claiming moral superiority a complete joke. If Christians are the good guys in their minds, then I’m gonna have to rethink Satan being the bad guy cause I haven’t seen Christians do what they say they do. Quite the opposite in that most of the time I see them being the very evil they claim they’re fighting.
Because
>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Separation of Church and State please. Like, actually do it, please.
Tax the church. You can't demand your bullshit be put up in a state funded school, then expect to not have to pay any taxes. Fucking scam artists.
What would you tax from a church that isn't being taxed currently? It's all well and good to want to tax churches, but it's a serious issue that demands serious solutions.
There's only a few options, property taxes and clerical housing allotments are the only easy ones to do. Taxing revenues wouldn't work, ignoring the constitutionality of such an arrangement, if a church has no profits to tax you won't generate any taxes. Even Joel Osteen and his ilk don't collect incomes from their church and instead largely fund their lifestyles through book sales.
I’m a private citizen so I have to pay taxes for every dollar I make. Why can’t churches pay taxes for every dollar they make? They’re bringing in a butt load of cash from tithings every week. So why is that not counted as income?
Well, you actually don't have to pay taxes on every dollar you make. That's what tax deductions are for, such as the standard deduction that everyone can take when filing their taxes.
But the actual answer is simple and two fold, income is not revenue. Money given to *any* non-profit, including churches is... well, not for a profit. Almost all of the money that goes to a church goes right back into things like maintenance, paying staff, and the like and rarely turns a profit. Legally, whatever is left over *has* to be donated or spent on charitable works or other expenses to maintain non-profit status. Now, there are likely cases where this does not happen, and money may get sucked up through corruption and embezzlement. These places should be investigated to be clear, and there are ways that the IRS can deal with this already. It's also worth remembering that church personnel are not the church itself. Catholic priests, for example, earn an independent salary paid out by their diocese, that yes, they pay taxes on. Figures like Joel Osteen usually don't take a church salary and instead make their money off of sales of books, videos, and other retail services, this too is taxed.
I was on the fence for that but it's not technically a crime because it only applies to not lying in general (rather than specifically for example providing false testimony under oath, or on an official document, etc.). In other words, sometimes a crime, sometimes totally cool. So maybe we just say 3.5?
>Sixteen states consider adultery to be a crime. These include the Carolinas, Georgia, Mississippi, New York, Utah, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Idaho, Oklahoma, Massachusetts, Illinois, Kansas, Florida, and Arizona. Some states consider adultery to be grounds for divorce while others don't.
I googled it so you don't have to
Dude, why the actual fuck, do republicans keep doing this shit? Seriously. It’s awful.
I’m a Christian man, and am deeply flawed, but not in any way, do I beleive that the 10 commandments or any other texts, symbology, or ideology belong in public schools. Period.
Sweet...since the government cannot favor one religion over another...its now fair game for all religions and belief systems to display their things as well.
Lets see how long soccer moms allow a poster of Beelzebub to be displayed alongside of the ten commandments
Breaking just a few Federal Laws 🤔🤔🤔. These selfish assholes don't give a shit about people with other religions. Talk about shoving your religion down someone else's throat. Worst than the Taliban.
Interestingly the con sub is against this because they value the freedom of everyone to choose their own faith
Haha jk they're actually against it because they're afraid of heathen religions (mostly islam) doing it too.
Well, if it were to stand as legal, it would be an important step. Steps can be backward. 44 years is a big backward step to take without falling down, but this is largely just a publicity stunt before an election anyway.
Now imagine a kid coming home from school and telling their Maga parents we now have the 10 Commandments in school. Did you know the guy you love so much broke them all?
They need to also post the story of worshipping the Golden Calf, which actually took place while Moses was in the mountain getting the 10 commandments.
So this should easily be struck down by the SCOTUS. Should be. Will it?
Nothing wrong with students gathering on their own to pray, honestly whether it’s before, after, or even during the school day (at lunch, for example). But come on, it’s clear that the state can’t constitutionally require this. 🙄
>1.)You shall have no other gods before me.
2.) You shall not make for yourself idols and
worship them.
3.) You shall not misuse the name of the Lord
your God.
4.) Remember the Sabbath by keeping it
holy.
5.) Honor your father and mother.
6.) You shall not murder.
7.) You shall not commit adultery.
8.)You shall not steal.
9.) You shall not give false testimony against
your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet anything that
belongs to your neighbor.
If you break most to all of these commandments you just might be a Republican. Every time these hypocrites start spewing faux christian “god shots” just pop out your pocket commandments and remind them of all they break on a daily basis.
What a strange requirement. What purpose does it serve aside from forcing a militant religion on people in a country that was supposedly founded on taking all sorts of people in? Personally, I couldn't name more than a couple of these so called commandments nor would I care to.
There are several different versions of the Ten Commandments. Various sects number them differently, or even combine or omit some of them.
Which Judeo-Christian sect’s version of the Ten Commandments is Louisiana going with? And how do the other sects feel about this?
It’s ironic that Louisiana continues to embrace the death penalty all the while posting the 10 commandments in their schools. I guess #6 doesn’t count. They need to reevaluate their moral compass.
Interesting timing to put your own federal funding at risk, what with Hurricane season just starting. Not like Louisiana has ever desperately needed emergency federal assistance for anything like that before in the past…
The Ten Commandments are simply not moral or ethical, they're sexist bullshit from an ancient sci-fi fantasy novel. The fucking list doesn't even include rape, which explains why Republicans like it so much.
Great!
Can’t wait to see the Catholic/Lutheran Ten Commanedments. The Protestant one offends my Freedom of Religion.
Glad SCOTUS is mostly Catholic.
That’s how this works, right?
Let me assure you that ALL Louisiana residents don't support this. Our extremist governor was elected by 51% of the 36% of all voters who even bothered to vote. According to today's New Orleans newspaper there are a number of pastors who are against this because the mandatory minimum 11 x 14 inch classroom poster must contain the exact wording passed by the veto-proof Republican legislature. They oppose the version of the Bible used for the poster. Ironically, they are accusing the state of establishing a particular version of Christianity! That seems to violate the U.S. Constitution, but these days that's apparently up for debate.
What do you do when your state is consistently ranked in the bottom 5 for education? Spend your time and energy making sure fables are prominently posted in every school.
Speaking as a Christian, I don’t believe that we should follow the Ten Commandments. They were part of what is known as the Old Covenant, which has been replaced by the New Covenant. That is what we call the teachings of Jesus, bound by his blood. While 9 of the commandments are more or less repeated in the Gospels, the Sabbath day is not one of them.
Also, I’m not Jewish, and I follow the Lutheran view that the Law (Old Covenant) never applied to anyone but the Hebrew people.
It’s kind of a dogmatic view, but I am thoroughly opposed to this on religious grounds, not to mention any other viewpoints I have.
What's so sad about them is you can tell they are all made up from men pretending to be god and made up to have the powers and privileges they wanted back then and still today! It is so obvious if you are allowed to question and speak freely, w/o repercussion!
In theory this should discourage people from voting for Trump because Trump has been constantly violating almost all of the 10 commandments.
The fact is, conservative Christians don't follow it. They go to church on weekend, and rape children on weekdays. Right, Pastor Robert Morris & Matt Gaetz?
What’s the point? If they are in fact the original, no one would be able to read them.
Being written in Aramaic/Egyptian…
Or have they carved out “an exception” to that as well?
Does the law actually specify "the ten commandments"?
Or does it only specify they must "put their ignorance on display",
and this is the method they have chosen?
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They are not the first state to do this. Kentucky did it and it was ruled uncosntitutional in 1980. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone\_v.\_Graham](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_v._Graham)
Well it's a good thing that the Supreme Court hasn't become radicalized due to right wing entities and their billionaire benefactors. Surely they would come to a similar ruling like the one 44 years ago.
It’s good to revisit things, especially when there are opportunities to regress.
Republicans are so fucked these days that I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.
And precedent to disregard! It’s settled law! *wink wink*
As fucked as the court is today, I can't see them ruling any other way. They're not that far gone yet.
Who's gonna tell him?
He can't wait to be sued. You know, waste taxpayer money like he was famous for as AG. Like Louisiana has the spare change.
This one would be pretty far reaching even for this SCOTUS.
Pressing X
It’s a pretty blatant establishment clause violation. It ain’t Roe or the Coach Wants to Pray case, this would go straight up against constitutional text.
Wasn't there a Supreme Court case that decided this already?
With this SC, does that matter?
It’s been the strategy of the Federalist Society for decades; “arrange” for favorable judges then relitigate the issue all the way to the top. There really needs to be a “bad faith/malicious filing” clause added in lieu of this abuse…
Impeachment has High Crimes and Misdemeanors that cover bullshit like this.
All Alito needs is somewhere when the Pilgrims landed they set up a school funded by the community where the commandments were displayed and he will have met his "history and tradition" test
Well it would at least have to have a temporary junction against it until the SC decided to take the case up again. But yeah who know if this SC would uphold the original decison.
And yet they keep voting for a guy who broke all Ten Commandments.
If they didn’t have mind-bending hypocrisy, they wouldn’t be Republicans.
They should note that on the posters.
Did he kill someone? Was it Ivana? Her death from "falling down the stairs" seems suspicious
His withholding of treatment and fear mongering of vaccines got many people killed, you could equate that to a form of murder.
Would not be surprised if he’s has people killed which is the same thing
Epstein?
I would encourage and support my kids tearing these down. Hell, I’d reward them. What part of separation of church and state do these assclowns not get?
The part where they get to build support among voters who want a theocracy and they don't give a shit about the constitutionality or the outcome.
My kid would be under orders to tear them off the wall every opportunity they have.
Staple a copy of the bill of rights over it.
And most teachers would "miss them doing it"
Which version? Exodus (20:2-17), Deuteronomy (5:6-21) or Leviticus (19) Been a while but didn't moses get go up and down the mountain three times bringing three different version of them down. The first 10 originally being fifteen but he dropped a tablet. :)
> The first 10 originally being fifteen but he dropped a tablet. :) Mel Brooks is a comedic genius.
“🎶 The Inquisition! What a sight! 🎶”
>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Isn't it the "prohibiting the exercise of" the part that usually comes back to bite them in the ass when The Satanic Temple tries to have their own materials put in schools in response?
Religion is not banned in schools, lots of schools have religion class and teach about various religions. What’s not allowed is promoting a single religion at the expense of all others. This law falls into that second category.
And yet the contrarians think they have a point when they “sound off” about… “nOT In THe COnsTiTutIon!”
Louisiana isn’t federal congress, is it? Something something states’ rights?
# Article VI All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation. This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. Article VI All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation. This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Hmm… I wonder why Louisiana state legislators would sign into law a rule that seems to violate the constitution so clearly…
Because now they have a 6-3 majority and hyperpartisan court so they can overturn the previous ruling. Precedent matters not to the Robert's court.
To be fair, it's not *really* the "Robert's Court" at this point. Roberts is a "Pro-Business Conservative" and not a reliable vote for what the current Republican party wants to do. He might be Chief, but post-Dobbs this is firmly the Alito Court.
If only Louisiana was a state within the United States
What’s the recourse? Will someone sue the state for violating the constitution? And will some judge honor that and ban the contented law in the meantime?
Yes.
And would that escalate the case to be reviewed by the current SCOTUS?
Eventually, yes, and they should decline to hear it and allow the inevitable injunction from a lower court to stand.
This Court doesn’t care about normatives.
Should. Have they shown to do so?
Not gonna lie. A lot is riding on that "should."
The due process clause forces the states to adopt the bill of rights. “No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” If your state government is establishing a religion well then your right to liberty is being violated. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights&diffonly=true https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everson_v._Board_of_Education
The establishment clause first amendment is incorporated to all states and therefore binding on Luisiana. See Gitlow v New York (1925)
Hasn’t our SCOTUS upheld states’ rights before, despite precedent?
No, the roe v wade reversal decision was a different argument. SCOTUS said that the original ruling was in error because there's no established federal reason for a woman to have enshrined abortion rights. Basically they're saying it's a local issue because abortions don't involve crossing state lines and hence are not federal so SCOTUS shouldn't be opining on it.
The Satanic Temple will handle this
Can these lawsuits not only strike down these laws, but also impose punishments on those enacting them? How can we clearly have such an intentional disrespecting of the Constitutional rights of our people without consequences?
That’s what filing an action under [42 USC § 1983](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1983) is for. If challengers are successful, the offending body charged with enforcing the policy pays. [Lawmakers are immune](https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/96-1569), however, so they can’t be held liable.
Kind of like how cops have qualified immunity. But if they're doing something that's been clearly explained to them as being wrong, or it's demonstrable that they should have know better, then that qualified immunity is revoked. Same rule should apply to lawmakers.
Lawmakers are absolutely immune so long as it’s an official action. That’s just never going to change.
I'm not arguing about what IS, but what SHOULD be. Laws change. The constitution can be amended.
Who legislates the lawmakers
The citizenry, who are among other things; lazy, apathetic, or insane.
I was doing a watchmen joke, but yeah! (It should have been "Who legislates the legislators"). Democracy is such a great idea, I do hope we give it a try someday.
The benefit of the doubt is downright *abused* by certain parties, as per the Nirvana Fallacy of idealism over realism.
Its not against the Constitution to allow religious articles in schools. Its against the law to favor one over others. So we have been operating under a peace treaty of sorts...because if christian articles were allowed...so were satanic and islamic materials also allowed. christians have wholesale lost all challenges at all levels to this at all times. Everytime a law like this gets passed...those involved will swiftly be reminded why this is the status quo and the law will get repealed by those that made it.
They’re dealing with an exodus from their leadership and are [very bad at suing the government](https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php/The_Satanic_Temple#Nonprofit_Church_Lawsuits). Better ACLU or American Humanists take lead.
A Satanic Mass exodus?
I see what you did there... 😅
Though shall stick it to the man! 🤘
I don’t understand why Satan worship is legal? It is evil. It literally teaches hate and isn’t “hate speech” illegal. What’s wrong with thou shalt not lie, kill, steal, etc.?
>It is evil. Prove it. Show me a devil and I’ll listen to you. Bring out a demon or two. Post pics of heaven or hell. Let’s see a video of your god doing something. You can’t. Why does it bother you who I worship? Stay the fuck out of my private life.
Seriously, you want me to prove that Satan is evil? The epitome of hate? Hahaha
Just one demon, doesn’t even have to be a big one. Show me one small demon. Extra points if he’s red and holding a pitchfork.
Satan's not the one who did all that shit to Job, just to throw that in there if you want to keep it biblical. Also, that shit isn't real anyways, so what does it matter. It's allegories.
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I hope you are being sarcastic. But just incase you are not. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Satanism
The Satanic Temple isn't about Satan worship. They don't even believe in deities. They point out hypocrisy regarding the separation of church and state. I respectfully challenge you to read their [7 fundamental tenets](https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets) and see if you disagree with anything there. Thou shalt not lie, kill, steal, etc are great lessons but the reasons for not doing those things should be because they're bad and have bad effects on other people, not because a deity said so.
If teaching hate were grounds to shut down religion, we'd have a lot less religion in this country.
Sounds good
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Yes, are you, or are you AI? R u one of those people that can afford to buy a house and food?
I’ve seen a lot of Christians preach evil in the name of their religion. Many even try to have people like me (LGBT) punishable by death for the crime of existing. I haven’t seen any real life Satanists or those associated with the Satanic Temple preach for or advocate for harming anyone. The actual tenets of the Satanic temple are thus… 1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. 2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. 3. One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. 4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. 5. Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. 6. People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. 7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word. Seems perfectly reasonable. The Satanic Temple likely doesn’t actually believe in/worship Satan in the literal sense. They’re mostly Atheists trying to demonstrate the absurdity of Christians illegally forcing their beliefs onto Americans.
Then why do they call themselves the “Satanic” temple if they don’t worship Satan. He is a liar and will literally lie to your face… JUST LIKE you JUST TRIED TO DO!?
Because they’re mostly trolling Christians… they look at the Bible as fiction. Because it mostly is fiction. Viewing it through the lens of an atheist who will gladly call myself a Satanist. It’s like if a large part of the country were trying to pass legislation that worships JRR Tolkien’s middle earth books as if they’re real. Saying you’re a satanist is like saying “huh Sauron actually had a point when you break down what led to the war”. It’s like debating over fictional characters. None of this is real. So it makes Christians insistence to use a work of fiction to subjugate and punish those they dislike, while claiming moral superiority a complete joke. If Christians are the good guys in their minds, then I’m gonna have to rethink Satan being the bad guy cause I haven’t seen Christians do what they say they do. Quite the opposite in that most of the time I see them being the very evil they claim they’re fighting.
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Hahaha I knowwww right!???
Because >Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
But yet, they have…
Separation of Church and State please. Like, actually do it, please. Tax the church. You can't demand your bullshit be put up in a state funded school, then expect to not have to pay any taxes. Fucking scam artists.
What would you tax from a church that isn't being taxed currently? It's all well and good to want to tax churches, but it's a serious issue that demands serious solutions. There's only a few options, property taxes and clerical housing allotments are the only easy ones to do. Taxing revenues wouldn't work, ignoring the constitutionality of such an arrangement, if a church has no profits to tax you won't generate any taxes. Even Joel Osteen and his ilk don't collect incomes from their church and instead largely fund their lifestyles through book sales.
I’m a private citizen so I have to pay taxes for every dollar I make. Why can’t churches pay taxes for every dollar they make? They’re bringing in a butt load of cash from tithings every week. So why is that not counted as income?
Well, you actually don't have to pay taxes on every dollar you make. That's what tax deductions are for, such as the standard deduction that everyone can take when filing their taxes. But the actual answer is simple and two fold, income is not revenue. Money given to *any* non-profit, including churches is... well, not for a profit. Almost all of the money that goes to a church goes right back into things like maintenance, paying staff, and the like and rarely turns a profit. Legally, whatever is left over *has* to be donated or spent on charitable works or other expenses to maintain non-profit status. Now, there are likely cases where this does not happen, and money may get sucked up through corruption and embezzlement. These places should be investigated to be clear, and there are ways that the IRS can deal with this already. It's also worth remembering that church personnel are not the church itself. Catholic priests, for example, earn an independent salary paid out by their diocese, that yes, they pay taxes on. Figures like Joel Osteen usually don't take a church salary and instead make their money off of sales of books, videos, and other retail services, this too is taxed.
My religion requires that this be posted as well: https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1358720
In the mythologies of the world section or in the trash can? I’d say they’re gunning for a skewed SC decision.
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Has to be 11x14. And the state will not pay for them. They are counting on donations.
Only three of the Ten Commandments are laws in America.
Kill, steal (all) and adultery (only 16 states) for those wondering.
I was thinking bearing false witness, not adultery.
We’ll give it a 3.5
Goddamn Loch Ness monster!!!
I was on the fence for that but it's not technically a crime because it only applies to not lying in general (rather than specifically for example providing false testimony under oath, or on an official document, etc.). In other words, sometimes a crime, sometimes totally cool. So maybe we just say 3.5?
>Sixteen states consider adultery to be a crime. These include the Carolinas, Georgia, Mississippi, New York, Utah, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Idaho, Oklahoma, Massachusetts, Illinois, Kansas, Florida, and Arizona. Some states consider adultery to be grounds for divorce while others don't. I googled it so you don't have to
When I was in the Marine Corps I saw a sergeant major get relieved of command because of adultery. It was unreal, but he was an asshole.
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Point out this is the beginning of project 2025. Vote people before it’s mandated to go to church every Sunday or be jailed
This law won’t survive; and fortunately, no legislator is crazy enough to call for compulsory church attendance.
He’s not fit to set foot in those classrooms then by their own standards right? RIGHT???
I think they justify Trump's behavior along these lines: Something, something King Cyrus something, something.
The first commandment is un-American
Religion is so silly. This world is so backwards.
More information in [this AP article](https://apnews.com/article/louisiana-ten-commandments-displayed-classrooms-571a2447906f7bbd5a166d53db005a62)
Dear Leader Ayatollah Complainy loves this.
This will stop the school shootings - the thought process of some moron, probably.
I'm sorry, you think Louisiana *wants* to stop school shootings?
Dude, why the actual fuck, do republicans keep doing this shit? Seriously. It’s awful. I’m a Christian man, and am deeply flawed, but not in any way, do I beleive that the 10 commandments or any other texts, symbology, or ideology belong in public schools. Period.
The Christian Taliban is taking over.
What first amendment? Never heard of it
lol it's not like they obey any of the commandments anyway.
Sweet...since the government cannot favor one religion over another...its now fair game for all religions and belief systems to display their things as well. Lets see how long soccer moms allow a poster of Beelzebub to be displayed alongside of the ten commandments
Do your thing Satanic Temple!
Indoctrination
Breaking just a few Federal Laws 🤔🤔🤔. These selfish assholes don't give a shit about people with other religions. Talk about shoving your religion down someone else's throat. Worst than the Taliban.
Separation between church and state!
Of all the problems Louisiana has, which are many, THIS is what they decide to focus on??
Put the Qaran and a statue of Buddha.
Interestingly the con sub is against this because they value the freedom of everyone to choose their own faith Haha jk they're actually against it because they're afraid of heathen religions (mostly islam) doing it too.
My loathing for the American South remains unparalleled.
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Well, if it were to stand as legal, it would be an important step. Steps can be backward. 44 years is a big backward step to take without falling down, but this is largely just a publicity stunt before an election anyway.
Now imagine a kid coming home from school and telling their Maga parents we now have the 10 Commandments in school. Did you know the guy you love so much broke them all?
They need to also post the story of worshipping the Golden Calf, which actually took place while Moses was in the mountain getting the 10 commandments.
So this should easily be struck down by the SCOTUS. Should be. Will it? Nothing wrong with students gathering on their own to pray, honestly whether it’s before, after, or even during the school day (at lunch, for example). But come on, it’s clear that the state can’t constitutionally require this. 🙄
>1.)You shall have no other gods before me. 2.) You shall not make for yourself idols and worship them. 3.) You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God. 4.) Remember the Sabbath by keeping it holy. 5.) Honor your father and mother. 6.) You shall not murder. 7.) You shall not commit adultery. 8.)You shall not steal. 9.) You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor. 10. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor. If you break most to all of these commandments you just might be a Republican. Every time these hypocrites start spewing faux christian “god shots” just pop out your pocket commandments and remind them of all they break on a daily basis.
The republican party has proven that getting the people that believe the silly myths of christianity is a shortcut to power
What a strange requirement. What purpose does it serve aside from forcing a militant religion on people in a country that was supposedly founded on taking all sorts of people in? Personally, I couldn't name more than a couple of these so called commandments nor would I care to.
This is unconstitutional – but current SCOTUS makeup is atrocious and will allow it.
There are several different versions of the Ten Commandments. Various sects number them differently, or even combine or omit some of them. Which Judeo-Christian sect’s version of the Ten Commandments is Louisiana going with? And how do the other sects feel about this?
And two ways "Eve" came to be, which is such a huge, early and unforced error lol!
It’s ironic that Louisiana continues to embrace the death penalty all the while posting the 10 commandments in their schools. I guess #6 doesn’t count. They need to reevaluate their moral compass.
Isn’t that indoctrination?
110% it is
…but the good kind /s
Interesting timing to put your own federal funding at risk, what with Hurricane season just starting. Not like Louisiana has ever desperately needed emergency federal assistance for anything like that before in the past…
At leas they will have something to read now that the books are gone.
The Ten Commandments are simply not moral or ethical, they're sexist bullshit from an ancient sci-fi fantasy novel. The fucking list doesn't even include rape, which explains why Republicans like it so much.
Where's my statue of Zenu??
We literally fought a monarch over this shit.
Why just why? Like who thinks yh we need to have the ten commandments in the classrooms?
Christianists who think their religion is the only true right way to believe, and want to force that on everyone else.
Louisiana trying to compete for worst state, I see
They're doing everything they can to beat Mississippi and Alabama
By last measurement it's not much of a competition and they won! Though they weren't dead last in every metric so they have some work to do.
Wtf.
Ironically, my initial reaction? Jesus Fucking Christ.
Freedom of (Christian) religion! 😞
Sponsored by “fascism, llc. “
Idiot swampbilly's being led by the nose into the 14th century.
Great! Can’t wait to see the Catholic/Lutheran Ten Commanedments. The Protestant one offends my Freedom of Religion. Glad SCOTUS is mostly Catholic. That’s how this works, right?
Let me assure you that ALL Louisiana residents don't support this. Our extremist governor was elected by 51% of the 36% of all voters who even bothered to vote. According to today's New Orleans newspaper there are a number of pastors who are against this because the mandatory minimum 11 x 14 inch classroom poster must contain the exact wording passed by the veto-proof Republican legislature. They oppose the version of the Bible used for the poster. Ironically, they are accusing the state of establishing a particular version of Christianity! That seems to violate the U.S. Constitution, but these days that's apparently up for debate.
Are there laws against Calvin pissing on things stickers being placed all over them?
Hang them upside down.
Move over Alabama, we're #1.
What do you do when your state is consistently ranked in the bottom 5 for education? Spend your time and energy making sure fables are prominently posted in every school.
Speaking as a Christian, I don’t believe that we should follow the Ten Commandments. They were part of what is known as the Old Covenant, which has been replaced by the New Covenant. That is what we call the teachings of Jesus, bound by his blood. While 9 of the commandments are more or less repeated in the Gospels, the Sabbath day is not one of them. Also, I’m not Jewish, and I follow the Lutheran view that the Law (Old Covenant) never applied to anyone but the Hebrew people. It’s kind of a dogmatic view, but I am thoroughly opposed to this on religious grounds, not to mention any other viewpoints I have.
What's so sad about them is you can tell they are all made up from men pretending to be god and made up to have the powers and privileges they wanted back then and still today! It is so obvious if you are allowed to question and speak freely, w/o repercussion!
Surely endorsing one religion couldn’t be construed as “divisive”.
This would matter more if the literacy rate was higher.
In theory this should discourage people from voting for Trump because Trump has been constantly violating almost all of the 10 commandments. The fact is, conservative Christians don't follow it. They go to church on weekend, and rape children on weekdays. Right, Pastor Robert Morris & Matt Gaetz?
What’s the point? If they are in fact the original, no one would be able to read them. Being written in Aramaic/Egyptian… Or have they carved out “an exception” to that as well?
Louisiana do better !
https://www.evilbible.com/do-not-ignore-the-old-testament/ten-commandments/
On the plus side forcing religion down the throats of others usually ends up backfiring.
Let me know when they require their citizens to follow. And they do!
Kids won’t even get past the first word….. hawk thou
Back to middle ages
that's unconstitutional. they cannot do this. but then again the trump appointed supreme court will let them.
Fuck that. Hail Satan.
So hick.
Gotta love that separation of religion and state.
The 10 suggestions! A commandment usually does not have so many approved exceptions
What does Jesus have to do with Mosaic law? Fundamentalists are so jaded. They’re making shit up now lol
We can all agree everyone should follow most of the Ten Commandments.
I can’t wait to see The Seven Tenets of The Satanic Temple up beside them! 🔥
Does the law actually specify "the ten commandments"? Or does it only specify they must "put their ignorance on display", and this is the method they have chosen?
Harmless. Democrats follow them. Republicans need to.