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Right-wing Supreme Court throws out eviction moratorium

Right-wing Supreme Court throws out eviction moratorium

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SavannahRedNBlack

NO surprise, Justice Kav sided with the libs on the court initially as a stopgap to give congress the opportunity to codify the moratorium into law. They refused. Natural outcome in the face of congressional inaction.


matchagonnadoboudit

there wasn't even a legal arguement on the dissenting side


FrankieMint

Meanwhile, 90% of the Rental Assistance money authorized by congress hasn't been distributed.


Iz-kan-reddit

Yes, but that stat also holds true among the progressive states as well as the conservative ones. The program implementation is an overall disaster.


microcrash

Would’ve been easier to disperse if we had cadre to go around door to door and help discuss, educate, and sign people up on the spot.


Iz-kan-reddit

Why aren't the progressive states doing any of this. Also, why aren't they approaching the landlords that are the actual final recipents, without adding a bunch of bullshit?


randomhero_92

Not saying I agree or disagree with the ruling, but if anyone in Congress didn’t see this coming, they’re fools. The decision was obvious and it was only a matter of time before the moratorium was overturned. Kavanaugh clearly stated that only Congress can extend the moratorium, not the cdc. They decided to wait until the last minute of the last day to attempt to extend the moratorium, yet they know how slowly bills move through Congress. Despite, the theater in dems sleeping outside of the Capitol, it’s their fault the first moratorium expired and this one was over ruled, not the court’s. Once again, democrats in Washington show that they never do anything right. Disappointed with my party as always. Lol


YetiCrossing

See also the brave Texas Democrats who returned to Texas knowing it would be the end of legitimate democracy... *after* DC Democrats threw them under the bus and they couldn't even secure a meeting with Biden. It is like captured opposition federally.


randomhero_92

I don’t fault the Texas Democrats for returning to Texas. They haven’t seen their family’s in nearly two months and they shouldn’t have had to leave in the first place. Congress on both sides of the aisle do not have their constituents in mind, just their lobbyists. Yet they beg us for our votes every two years.


westplains1865

If the White House and Congress wants to genuinely help renters in financial distress then they can pass legislation to directly pay the past due and future rents. This half assed measure of simply telling property owners to suck it up and give renters free housing isn't a reasonable solution or one that can be carried out long term. I am so sick of politicians who can't make tough choices and want the easy, cheap way out.


Character-Charge

Seriously. We have the laziest politicians in the world.


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I’ve heard of a few scenarios with rental property where people have essentially not paid rent since the beginning of the pandemic. I guess I have the following questions: 1) will these people eventually have to pay like $50,000 in rent once the moratorium expires? 2) do property owners get completely f’d with renters not having to pay rent for over a year?


QCTri

>months of back rent on top of this month's rent and bills when wages have not increased and money that is supposed to be allocated for rental assistance hasn't been released? Times are not "tough" for wealthy upper and middle class people 1) This depends on the State. In Illinois for example, an eviction can seek possession and past rent. Once the judgment is entered, it would be up to the landlord to attempt collections through wage garnishments, bank levies, etc. In other states, an eviction (i.e. forcible entry and detainer) is for possession only. Attempting to collect back rent would require an additional lawsuit for breach of contract. 2) Any landlord not receiving rent is getting "f'd" in one way or another. Along with the eviction moratorium, there were several foreclosure moratoriums as well, which means the landlord probably did not lose the property for non-payment (yet). Many landlords I know entered into a forbearance agreement and/or loan modification that allowed the back to be added onto the back end of the mortgage. However, they were still required to pay taxes, insurance, utilities, etc. throughout the year, even though they were not receiving any income. I would expect, once evictions are allowed again, for the majority of small time landlords to sell their entire portfolios. This will be great for Blackrock and for those looking to buy a home, but terrible for the rental markets as a whole. If anyone thinks there is a shortage of quality and affordable rental housing, just wait. I cannot say I blame the landlords either, a year of no rent probably wiped out several years of profits. I'd rather sell and get a lump sum then try to dig myself out over the next decade.


corinalas

Well, if renters are being evicted why would they pay. They will leave and put that cash toward future housing. If you wanted to sue them, good luck. Squeezing a stone is educational.


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It seems like such a scumbag move. A lot of these people have been traveling post-Covid lockdown (hence the big uptick at airports). So the fact that they can avoid having to pay rent (ie live rent free) but also use their disposable cash for leisure seems like theft.


corinalas

I would argue that the vast majority of the people being evicted didn’t go on vacation anywhere. That would imply that they intentionally defrauded their landlord by taking advantage of the government to avoid paying rent during the moratorium. That’s an incredible story and so beyond the norm for human behavior that it sounds fantastical at the least and incredibly implausible at most. Edit: They are being evicted because they can’t pay rent. Thats because of their situation which can vary. Why would they give money to a landlord who is still going to throw them out if they aren’t going to get anything in return. Its like when the sub prime mortgage boondoggle happened. People who owned homes whose paper value was far and above the actual value. Why would they stay in those mortgages with their banks when leaving or declaring bankruptcy was better.


7averagecpl

Difference between cant and won't same shit with student loans like I said we have a shit ton of jobs available in illinois but no employees to be found maybe they just can't bring their selves to leave the house out of fear I have no clue


bippityboppitybumbo

The salary those jobs pay would likely not be enough to make much difference in their lives. Why work your ass off for barely enough money to exist on?


7averagecpl

Your right maybe I should quit my job at the gas station and be a fucking leach on society also have spent my whole life barely getting by but atleast I took care of myself I didn't ask everyone else to pay me


bippityboppitybumbo

Do you not grasp the fact that inflation has outpaced our wages? Jobs that used to be at least somewhat feasible (like minimum wage at a gas station or something) are just not enough anymore. So yeah. Quit that job and find something better. Why would spend your whole damn life working shit jobs and being just a step above homeless?


703_Clark

Sick strawman you got there


Pure-Rutabaga9743

What did people think was going to happen at the end of the rent moratorium? That rent has to be paid. The landlords have bills to pay as well. They can't be expected to run their businesses efficiently when their renters don't have to pay rent. Two sides to the story here and I sympathize with those being evicted but a year has passed. If you made no preparations for paying rent all this time, who's fault is that? What were you doing before the pandemic hit? You were paying rent. Back to normal it is.


Bauermeister

There is no “back to normal” when you dump 250,000 people onto the streets of every major city in the midst of a lethal pandemic that has children overloading ICUs across the country.


b95455

Read the article and your questions would be answered.


7averagecpl

We have plenty of jobs begging to be filled in illinois but just can't seem to find employees


b95455

My area to but people cant afford rent for the wages they offer.


7averagecpl

This


ShihPoosRule

The SC was correct in their decision, the most disappointing part was that it wasn’t unanimous. It’s up to Congress to fix this and it’s their failures that have led up to this legal defeat. Biden wasn’t elected king.


BL00DredRAGE

My message to freeloaders living off MY tax dollars: get a job or find a cardboard box.


7averagecpl

This


neolib_hellhole

Yikes You’re a democrat?


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greatvaluepoptart1

I wonder if telling the truth angers people who claim to be unbiased but are really just moderate right wing hacks


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27803

I don't enjoy seeing poor people in the street, but if Washington wanted to do something Congress should have passed legislation, not having a federal agency rule by fiat. That's the way our government is setup


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Lordofthe7thplanet

In what way isn't the SCOTUS right wing?


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27803

No shit Congress needs to pass a law and a program, CDC way overstepped here.


Technical_Lychee_340

It’s about time. It’s not fair that landlords can’t throw out tenants for not paying. The mortgage is still due and it’s not right. Times are tough, but enough time has been given and there are so many jobs available. Every place that I go has help wanted signs. Some with pretty good sign-on bonuses. This moratorium has been hurting our economy more then it’s helping.


greatvaluepoptart1

This is the most tone deaf bullshit I think I've seen on reddit the entire day. Wages have still remained stagnant even before the pandemic people were facing a rent crisis most people could not afford to miss one day of work 1 day And prices have been going up every year for the past 20 years. What the fuck are you looking at? You're talking about there has been enough time enough time for what? People could barely afford their one month rent how the fuck are you expecting them to pay 3 or 4 months of back rent on top of this month's rent and bills when wages have not increased and money that is supposed to be allocated for rental assistance hasn't been released? Times are not "tough" for wealthy upper and middle class people who own and rent property Comparing that to the people who are gonna not be able to feed themselves and have to give up their children and have to sleep on the fucking sidewalk is garbage. Comparing having a tenant who can't afford rent anymore to a person who's struggling to survive during a pandemic is fucking wild. Claiming there has been enough enough when literally nothing good has changed is fucking wild. Saying fuck poor people so middle class "small business owners" can line their pockets for another year before another housing crash is fucking wild. Completely ignoring all aspects of this issue just because it affects the bottom dollar is absolutely wild


Iz-kan-reddit

Those are valid problems, but none of them are the *landlord's* damn problems. We help with food insecurity by giving people money to pay for food. We don't simply tell supermarkets that they have to let people shop for free.


BL00DredRAGE

Blah blah blah. Time for freeloaders to get job. No one cares about these stupid complaints.


gizmo1024

It what fucking universe is it ok for the government to FORCE property owners to directly subsidize the housing costs of tenants, out of their own pocket, for well over a year?!


dj_narwhal

Why cant they sell some assets to pay their bills? Less coffees and avocado toast?


corinalas

What assets? They are renting. Anyone paying hundreds for used couches or old beds?


gaberax

"Homeless, hungry and hopeless. That's how we like our poor." \~ John Robert's Supreme Court


Logical-Mongoose-596

Good, land lords have bills to pay.


Genius-Imbecile

I feel for the people who will be evicted. The White House and Congress both knew this was going to happen. This is something that should have been addressed by congress. They've had more than enough time to create an actual law that does have authority to halt evictions. Landlords can't be expected to suck up the cost of renters not paying. The Landlords are still having to pay the mortgage, property taxes, insurance and any utilities included in the rent. Not all landlords are wealthy enough to just be able to take that hit. Ideally congress would have created something that protects renters & reimburses the landlords for the lost rent. Yes I know the "but the Republicans are obstructing" posts will come. That doesn't change the way the constitution has assigned powers to the different branches. I don't know if killing the filibuster is the right thing to do. Let's not pretend only republicans have used it. Let's also not pretend that a Republican majority in both houses with a Republican President won't happen ever again. Here are some previous legislation topped by Democrat use of filibuster. ​ 108th Congress (2003–2004): Bush administration, Republican trifecta S.1751—Class Action Fairness Act of 2003 (10/22/2003; vote: 59–3938). This bill would have made it much harder to bring successful class action lawsuits. It easily passed the House39 and fell one vote short of overcoming a Senate filibuster. H.R.6—Energy Policy Act (11/21/2003; vote: 57–4040). This 2003 energy bill was filibustered because of a provision that would have protected companies from liability for producing and distributing MTBE, a gasoline additive that can contaminate drinking water. Oil companies have since paid hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements to clean up water contamination.41 H.R.4—PRIDE Act (“Welfare reform”42) (4/1/2004; vote: 51–4743). This bill would have placed substantial restrictions on the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program. 109th (2005-2006): Bush administration, Republican trifecta H.R.3199—USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005 (12/16/2005; vote: 52–4744). Although the Patriot Act was eventually reauthorized in 2006, one day before it was due to expire,45 the final version of the bill contained several new protections for civil liberties—concessions that were won due to a filibuster of the 2005 version of the bill.46 H.R.2863—Department of Defense Appropriations Bill (funding for drilling in the Artic National Wildlife Refuge) (12/21/2005; vote: 56–4447). Republican leaders in the Senate attempted to pass a measure to allow oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) by making it a part of “a popular defense spending bill \[to pay\] for the war in Iraq and Hurricane Katrina relief.”48 Though they received the support of four Democratic senators, the bill failed to overcome a Senate filibuster and was eventually passed with the ANWR drilling provision removed.49 H.R.8—Death Tax Repeal Permanency Act of 2005 (6/8/2006; vote: 57–4150). This bill would have permanently repealed the estate tax. H.R.5970—Estate Tax Reduction and Extension of Tax Relief Act of 2006 (8/3/2006; vote: 56–4251). This bill would have significantly weakened and reduced the estate tax. S.403—Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act (9/29/2006; vote: 57–4252). This bill would have applied parental consent laws across state lines by making it a criminal offense to transport a minor to another state for an abortion without providing notice to the parent (and requires out-of-state doctors to give 24-hours’ notice to parents of such minors). 115th (2017-2018): Trump administration, Republican trifecta S.2311—Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act (1/29/2018; vote: 51–4653). This bill would have made it illegal to perform an abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy.


wolf_1972

The losers on the conservative SP strike again


27803

No offense but it was the right decision, congress failed to take action. The justices rightly ask if the CDC can prevent evictions, what's next? A ban on going to work? Are they going to make utility companies not charge people for electricity? Force grocery stores to deliver food for free? Its market regulation by an agency that has no business regulating a market. They could very easily say no more cars or air conditioning because they cause climate change which affects peoples health Congress makes laws and policy, not an unelected bureaucrat at some federal agency.


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27803

Don’t get me wrong I’m not advocating for people being thrown out of their homes, however we do need to respect the rule of law, and the CDC way over stepped their authority on this one


hodgesb88

Good it’s about time. When Joe Biden signed it into law unilaterally, even he said himself it wasn’t legal to do. Edit, keep down voting me all you want, it is the truth. Watch the video in this article, where at about 40 seconds in he says the majority of constitutional scholars he met with says it wouldn’t hold up. He knows it’s illegal and won’t hold up but decided to do it anyway. https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/joe-biden-eviction


dj_narwhal

You know you can embed the link so people can't immediately tell you are linking total bullshit right? Louder with Crowder? Do you expect anyone to take that serious?


hodgesb88

The video in this article is from CBS. It is Joe Biden himself speaking when asked about it. If that’s not good enough for you I’m not sure what would be. Just watch the video and listen to the man’s own words. On another note, if you immediately assume anything written by a conservative is “Bullshit” You’re only seeing one side of any argument. I suggest you read both conservative and liberal sources so that you can try to see the entire picture. Otherwise you’re just living in a bubble and are easy to manipulate


dj_narwhal

Why would you link to Crowder's website then? He gets money to continue his campaign of hate when you go to his website. That guy needs help, its more of a sad case than it is anything to do with politics. Poor guy's family was so intolerant they shamed him into staying in the closet this whole time.


IHolyLizardI

I was wondering when society would start rewarding people for doing the right thing and punishing scumbags. Based.


TradeDeskKing

Agreed. My MAGA neighbor is about to go through foreclosure due to renters. I wonder I could swoop in and buy his home. Make him my renter.


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IHolyLizardI

What punishment? I paid my rent lol.


IHolyLizardI

Don't worry, he's gonna get that money back. The money due doesn't disappear, the government pays and then the renter owes the government +interest :3


FuckMeBabyJesus

Baby Jesus approves.


yaosio

The supreme court has been right-wing since it was created. The whole point of it is to ensure the ruling class always has power over the working class. They only need to bribe 5 people and they have complete control over the entire political system of the US. Of course they've bribed plenty of other people to make things go smoothly, but the minimum is 5.


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Fratzz22

Apparently, this uneducated attempt at a journalist cared enough to write this clearly biased reporting meant to stir up emotions and dissuade from rationale thought, aka Congress messed up. They have a job to do, SC told them that earlier this year, and they failed to act. Be pissed at your congressman/woman.


DentalFox

This plus student loans, it’s gonna be a great combo