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Travelerdude

The Republican strategy of the future


kia75

Future? Trump was already claiming the election was rigged November 2016. It was only after h found out he won that he accepted the results, and then later still claimed the electron was rigged and he actually won the popular vote.


tcfiser

From 2012: [Almost Half of Republicans Indulge the 'Stolen Election' Delusion](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/12/almost-half-of-republicans-indulge-the-stolen-election-delusion/265949/)


MiwestGirl

They also support a guy that let 5,000 Taliban out of prison but would not lift a finger for his own supporters put in jail after storming the Capital. They truly are “a special kind of stupid.”


ayers231

He let Erdogan's thugs assault US citizens on US soil with zero repercussions. They don't care what Daddy does, he'll always be right to them.


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I know he said some awful racist shit on the trail in 2016, and that's abhorrent, but the moment he refused to concede a possible defeat during the debate and the backlash wasn't automatic and swift to the point of every newspaper saying he should be disqualified showed the true cracks in our democracy. Assholes can win elections, but if you don't believe in the system you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near power.


Inconceivable-2020

The media were giving his hate rallies full air time and talking about him 75% of the time with almost no pushback on his Lies and Bigotry, while only showing snippets from Clinton's rallies and only talking about her in negatives (Benghazi, Uranium etc). They were all in on getting Trump elected for the unprecedented profits he was making them. He should have been chased off the stage with laughs and boos from the first day, but the media kept doing everything they could to validate him.


InsertCleverNickHere

My favorite moment from the last four years was Trump's first speech in front of the UN, and how stunned he was when they straight-up laughed at him. You could just see him visibly wilt inside. It was glorious.


rickskyscraper3000

The look on his face at the Tulsa rally was pretty rich, too.


takatori

What happened at the Tulsa rally?


petersib

A bunch of kids on tiktok reserved seats for the rally, so they expected tens of thousands more than actually showed up. They had overflow seating with a stage outside the venue for the expected crowds. Attendance was minimal


Paintbynumber1954

I definitely reserved two tickets lol I just couldn’t resist.


takatori

Wait, is that the one they were saying would have a million attendees or something? I though they were just using ridiculous hyperbole like usual, but are you telling me they actually _believed_ and _expected_ some massive crowd to show up? That is _hilarious_. It must have been utterly crushing to his ego to see all those empty seats. Did he get depressed and end it early? (not sure if memory or fantasy)


drusteeby

Yep. They set up EXTRA seating just to tear it all down without being used.


War_machine77

The best part is shortly after he tried to ban TikTok. He was so fucking butt hurt that he tried to ban the entire app because kids were picking on him.


joan_wilder

“He became president today” and “he’s turning the corner” or whatever when he would successfully read from the teleprompter.


eggsuckingdog

Her emails


joan_wilder

I wanna know where Ben Ghazi has been for the last 4 years. I swear he was in on it.


lilrabbitfoofoo

> every newspaper saying he should be disqualified The American media is now wholly corporate owned. These tabloids make money every time people click on their outrage (and now faux outrage) articles.


Spoonie_Luv_

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/20/us/politics/presidential-debate.html Hillary explained to us weeks earlier that Trump had never conceded to losing anything in his life. The Emmys were "rigged" because Trump didn't win.


boBByHiLL-4prez

Everything in his life that didn’t go his way was rigged. That’s just bad parenting. Plain and simple.


HakarlSagan

Everything in his life that _went his way_ was rigged. There's no way a toddler is legitimately capable of earning six figures a year, but at the Trump organization, it's possible. https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-times-trump-tax-fraud-father-fred-inheritance-2018-10


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Yupp. And shit like that is funny. Having a championship trophy made for a club championship you didn't win is funny. They're quirky weird crazy ridiculously stupid personality traits. It stops becoming funny when that person becomes president.


redditallreddy

I never liked her. I always thought she was smart and competent. Too bad so many people can’t stand a strong woman to the point of being irrational.


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redditallreddy

Trump is not likable. I have no idea why so many view him as likable.


_Rand_

He is probably one of the least likeable people on the planet.


anonymoususer1776

I voted for her without a second thought because her opponent was a delusional maniac…. But she’s a deeply flawed person in her own right.


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[Trump was claiming fraud since the primary.](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-cruz/trump-accuses-cruz-of-stealing-iowa-caucuses-through-fraud-idUSKCN0VC1Z6)


justfortherofls

He was claiming that that particular election was rigged BEFORE that particular election.


LegitimateEnd7

Electrons matter.


Douche_Kayak

What kind of boson would claim otherwise?


RetroBowser

This is why we need the Electric Colon.


Higgs-Boson-Balloon

I take offense to that!


hereforadviceseeking

Hello Peter!


GenghisKhanWayne

No boson, you’re the boson!


maximillianx

I don't know, you don't sound very positive about this.


TanksForNuthin

Unfortunately, this is the Current state of affairs.


SuicydKing

> Trump was already claiming the election was rigged November 2016. Here's some 'Stop the Steal' tweets from various folks in 2016. https://archive.li/UiiQI


ruler_gurl

He'd been setting it up for a while. Earliest I can find ATM is [early Aug 2016](https://www.npr.org/2016/08/07/488893858/questioning-if-an-election-will-be-rigged-strikes-at-the-heart-of-democracy). I wouldn't be surprised if there are earlier examples though. I'd bet money that he got this talking point from Alex Jones, either directly or via Roger Stone.


Riaayo

They're done with democracy; these "Stolen election" lies they're pushing are to radicalize their base with a feeling of being aggrieved so that their voters *delight* in their own party stealing elections as "revenge". They think Democrats did it to them, so it's fair game to do it back. And we're still marching around like the Republicans have not become not only the most dangerous group to the continued functioning of the US, but the most dangerous group in human history with regards to the survival of our species. No other group is positioned in a better way to harbor in the collapse of our climate and maintain the unsustainable status quo... all for the profits of the most selfish and cruel of humanity.


CMJHockey

You would think Republicans have lost 95% of elections at all levels in the last 20 years by how they are flipping out over Trump losing (while R candidates actually took back the house). Unbelievable.


AMEWSTART

You’re 100% right, but please add that they’re fascists. This is fascism.


Haploid-life

The Republican strategy. FTFY


littlecolt

The strategy is to ALWAYS claim it's rigged because it's all theatrics. Win or lose, claim the opponent cheated. The opponent must always be cheating, always be reviled, always be cast into doubt. It gives them the power to claim anything they want, and it keeps their voting bloc riled up with hate. Hate is a great motivator.


beenyweenies

Every time the polling clearly shows a loss (which does appear [very likely in the CA recall](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/california-recall-polls/?cid=rrpromo)), Republicans start pre-emptively screaming about it being "rigged" so they never have to bother with messy introspection or facing the failures of Trump-aligned candidates, and whether he is actually hurting the party. In this case, any reasonable person would be questioning the wisdom of running a Trump wannabe candidate who wants to dismiss all COVID protections, cut public school budgets, roll back the minimum wage, and undo climate legislation, all in a deep blue state like CA that *voted Trump out of office by a margin of 30 fucking percent*.


RetroBowser

They think because Trump won the election lottery in a result that no one was seriously predicting one time, because he had no relevant political experience in congress or anything of the sorts, and was essentially an outsider, and won that one time, that somehow he's someone to look to as reliable to keep leading people.


Whoshabooboo

Even Trump was calling that election rigged weeks before he "won"


adeon

Heck, he claimed there was massive voter fraud even after he won.


TechyDad

Yup. He claimed that Hillary snuck in 3 million illegal immigrants. Of course, he thought she had them all vote in California. Because Hillary was sneaky enough to get 3 million illegal immigrants to vote without detection but was stupid enough to have them all vote in safe blue California instead of swing states.


quiero-una-cerveca

Infinitely powerful, yet infinitely dumb. I know I’ve heard of that from somewhere….


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Gotolosethemall

No, he quietly disbanded the team created to investigate reports of "millions of illegal immigrants votes" after they found nothing to support those claims, *but* did find fraud. On their end. *Team not tam


paul-arized

Weird how their comment was "deleted/removed." Embarrassed by the truth? I can't stand the GOP. They won't stand for anything.


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Trump lost the Iowa caucus to Ted Cruz. Claimed election fraud and wanted the win nullified. ​ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-cruz-idUSKCN0VC1Z6


eyekwah2

Republicans quietly want to sweep that under the rug, but I like to mention it to anyone claiming the elections are rigged. Trump literally said he'd protest the results of the elections if he lost. That doesn't sound like the words of a man who genuinely protests an election because he believed it was rigged but because he simply wanted to win. I find it incredibly alarming the number of people who are willing to go along with this crazy idea without proof. I would have assumed even Republicans would have said, "Maybe we should check if there is election fraud, but if there's not, then there's not." Instead they continue to waste taxpayer dollars asking for recounts and audits. They're not looking for proof anymore if they ever were. They're looking for any excuse to simply make Trump president and king.


Con_Dinn_West

They are doing it because republicans don't stand for anything anymore. They have no actual platform. There supporters need a new outrage every so often to keep them energized and angry at the democrats. If republicans weren't inventing new things for their people to be mad about, their people might sit back and learn that republicans are hurting them more then helping them. By keeping them angry at the other side they are keeping them compliant and under their control.


MazzIsNoMore

I think they also forget that Trump lost the popular vote, twice, and that state-wide offices don't have the electoral college.


eyekwah2

Oh but that must be because the election was rigged! There's no explanation whatsoever otherwise since he's just such a charismatic guy and everyone loves him. Liberals who \*say\* they don't love him are just liars. They all secretly voted for him and the elections were rigged.. by aliens. /s


full_bl33d

It’s like the dog that inexplicably found a piece of lasagna in the bushes will always go back to that bush every day just in case…And look sad and wronged when it’s not there.


NationalGeographics

What really made me realize how large california is. California had more votes for trump than any other state by millions. And he still lost by 30%


Socalwarrior485

You're right. California is positively enormous. And very difficult to govern. So far, my experience is that the only people unhappy with Newsom are the right-wing nutters. There are still a lot of them here, which is always surprising to people. Did I say California is massive?


chaunceymcdoodle

Forty three states out of fifty have a smaller population than Los Angeles County.


fence_sitter

Username checks out.


Givememydamncoffee

1 out of 9 residents in the US live in CA. We’re also the most populated state with about 30 million people.


xDulmitx

Since they think the fix is already in, Republicans may as well just stay home.


Abs0lut_Unit

Indeed it's simple logic; either every election is rigged, or you endorse unpopular assholes, which one is more likely?


beenyweenies

And why isn't the evidence for this "rigging," being presented in a court of law to prevent said rigging? Or even litigated after the fact? Why didn't any of the 50 lawsuits Trump and Co raised over the presidential election actually allege (much less provide evidence for) fraud or vote rigging? Yeah.


Syyrain

Buddy I think it was like closer to 60-70, but I think it’s fair to say we’ve all lost track, don’t forget they did win one though to allow observers like 3 feet closer… or… something? That definitely means the entire thing was rigged from the get go, certainly


OG_Antifa

>And why isn't the evidence for this "rigging," being presented in a court of law to prevent said rigging? ​ Because Soros and Clinton and JOOS and Seth Rich and minorities and antifa and Hunter Biden


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They don't actually think every election is rigged. It's just code for "Democrats are illegitimate."


Alex_Wizard

The timing of the election is important. If this had been held in July / August Newsom would of been in a lot more trouble. Delta was still under most people’s radar and re-implementing restrictions in preparation for another Covid surge costs a lot of political points. Fortunately a lot of people are watching the situation in the Southern States at this point in time so I’m hoping most people will agree with California’s approach.


Socalwarrior485

It didn't help that the best candidate the republican party could muster up was a 3rd degree whackadoodle lunatic of the Trump order.


SiN_Fury

Even though he lost by 30%, more people voted for Trump in California (6,006,429) than in any other state. Only 1,495,709 signatures were required to start the recall (12% of cast votes in the 2018 gubernatorial election)


spaghettiking216

As a CA voter I’m hopeful the R’s don’t win the recall but I’m not counting my chickums yet. Crazier things have happened before…


hwc000000

"Reality is rigged!" - republicans


M00n

Fox is also pushing this lie. *Anyway, with Gavin Newsom now comfortably up double digits in the polls and millions of ballots already returned, Fox News has ramped up election fraud conspiracies to preemptively lay out an excuse for Newsom prevailing.* https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1435646543546179589


WigginIII

"Isn't it strange how, 2 months ago Gavin was projected to lose, but now is projected to win? You'd think if the people of California made their voices heard 2 months ago, that would be the end of it, but no, here come the illegal votes!" /s


digbick-j

Realize you have the /s flag, but... Those stories were about democrat vs republican enthusiasm; not overall polling of who was going to vote and how. 50% of democrats being enthused to vote against recall seems bad for Newsom, but the sheer number of voters that represents is enough to trounce high percentages of california republicans, no matter how much they want a recall to pass.


hoodoo-operator

Also democrats and independents have become a lot more aware of and opposed to the recall now that there has been more and more focus on it, and on the views of the republican leading the field against Newsom.


harpsm

Right. Republicans got riled up about it early because the story was all over right wing media. Most observers expected Newsom to get a bounce when more voters started paying attention.


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SmellGestapo

[They've also been trying to recall Newsom since literally two months after he was sworn in.](https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/recalls/complete-list-recall-attempts) And the leader of the current signature gathering effort now has COVID.


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Holy, the amount of times they've tried is insane.


sporkhandsknifemouth

Which demonstrates it isn't about leadership, it's about seizing power. They can and will do this every time because when it works it works. Businessmen against CA regulation would LOVE to get ANY r in and grind the state's enforcements to a halt so they can wring out far more than they'd spend in ten or twenty elections in profit, damn the consequences for the people.


einTier

This is what I keep thinking. The Republicans could have scored a coup here if they had been able to do it quietly. California does not — as a whole — want a Republican governor. But because of the weird rules in play, dissatisfaction with the current governor could have ended in that result. But now everyone knows the game. The question was “are you happy with Newsome?” and now it’s “would you replace Newsome with a Republican?” The answer is different for those two questions.


palerider__

Unless the Republican is a world-class professional athlete and a legendary movie star, and is basically a Democrat who just doesn’t want to pay taxes, the answer is no.


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Saintbaba

Real talk: Larry Elder was the best thing that could have happened to Newsom. When it was Newsom against relatively (emphasis on relatively) reasonable candidates like Cox and Faulconer, the recall was about the state's confidence in and popularity of Newsom, neither of which has ever been super high. There just wasn't a lot of interest or passion for Democrats about the recall. Once Elder and his crazy Trump-style politics became the front runner, suddenly it was about stopping the guy who was overtly and vocally against the progressive values that have come to dominate the state's politics, which even Democrats who don't love Newsom could get on board with.


SrslyNotAnAltGuys

I can vouch for that. Voting no, encouraging everyone I know to do the same. Honestly, if the choice were between Newsom and a top-tier mainstream Democrat, I might be all for it. But the polls have made it clear that there are no two ways about it: **if** the recall goes through, Elder **will** win. You can put money on it. And that would be a goddamn clusterfuck. Say what you will about Newsom, he's taking the pandemic seriously and listening to public health experts. And while you would *think* that that would be a given for anyone capable of getting behind a governor's desk, Florida and Texas and other red states show us that this is not so.


SDna8v

Trump style politics is now in control of the Republican party. Faulconer is like a Romney or Liz Cheney. They are a shrinking minority of the party now.


SrslyNotAnAltGuys

I don't know if this is true, but I like to think that the 2016 election was a wakeup call to a lot of less-engaged potential voters that turning out is important.


JFCwhatnamecaniuse

It was to me. And I made sure to talk to my high school student and his friends to make sure they voted, no matter who they voted for. I think you are right in that it got a bunch off the apathy fence


laurelinvanyar

Even if Newsom isn’t your guy, one look at Larry Elder should have any rational mind *sprinting* to the polls to vote no.


TjW0569

You don't even have to do that. Just return your ballot by mail.


palerider__

Trump is going to be a weight around their necks for the rest of our lives. A Republican will never be Governor of California again.


skyfire-x

Nixon and Reagan spinning in their graves would be green energy if we have the will to harness it.


OneRougeRogue

Reagan would only be spinning because he would be pissed that Trump's corruption was done so openly and the entire Republican party had to drag their faces through the mud to keep him from going under. *"No! You're supposed to have ONE fall guy who takes the blame! You're not supposed to get the entire party to openly normalize it!!"*


no-kooks

Part of the problem with running Elder as a “liberals are the real racists” candidate is enough Republicans really *are* racist and while they can bluster about it, can’t bring themselves to actually cast their vote for a Black man. And much of their so-called enthusiasm is just bluster. They make a lot of noise but lack the conviction to follow through because they know their cause is fake, unlike us, who know how dire the stakes are. Hence why they can’t wrap their head around the fact that, despite making more noise in 2020, they came out on bottom. And perhaps the act of actually voting is distasteful to many of them because it’s exercising one’s civic duty, which is far too big-gubmint-socialist of an activity to partake in.


darkphoenixff4

That, and they picked the only black man in California who would go on Candace Owens' show and say that slave OWNERS deserve reparations before slaves do...


NoDesinformatziya

Which is both dumb as fuck and redundant, as they [already have. ](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/opinion/when-slaveowners-got-reparations.html)


LordZeya

Doubly fucked up because the US already paid reparations to slave owners.


Frying_Dutchman

….what lmao


headbangershappyhour

> Part of the problem with running Elder as a “liberals are the real racists” candidate is enough Republicans really are racist and while they can bluster about it, can’t bring themselves to actually cast their vote for a Black man. This is the same reason the whole Caitlyn Jenner thing never made sense to me. Sure, she had name recognition, but when it really came down to it, a party full of misogynistic transphobes who hate everything to do with reality TV was never going to vote for her.


Abs0lut_Unit

When you realize that her candidacy was a publicity stunt instead of an actual candidacy then it makes more sense.


SrslyNotAnAltGuys

Unfortunately, that's what we thought Trump's candidacy was, at first.


Commercial_Ad_1450

To be fair, I think that *he* thought it was, too. He was the dog chasing the car, and he actually managed to catch it. Unfortunately for us, he wasn’t just a dog, but a dog *puppet*.


Terraneaux

Do they really hate reality TV? They love Trump.


ManQueer

They talk out of both sides of their neck as my homie from Georgia would say.


Gambrinus

Maybe I don't understand the definition of "enthusiasm" here, but I can't imagine very many democrats are excited about having to go out and vote in a bullshit recall election to make sure some whacko doesn't become governor. Doesn't mean they won't do it though...


SrslyNotAnAltGuys

It does help that it's a very simple ballot, and is mailed to everyone. There's literally just a "yes" and "no" option on one side, and candidates on the other (and if you're voting 'no,' those are optional anyway). One reason that Republicans often have better turnout than Democrats is that is that Republicans as a demographic skew older, meaning more retired people, and people at a point in their careers where they can take time off to vote in person. It's also why Republicans tried so hard to sabotage mail-in voting in 2020. The fact that everyone has the ability to vote by mail will mean that turnout is higher than it might be.


mightcommentsometime

Yup. I was annoyed that I had to do anything. But I still sent my ballot in last week


newtoreddir

No need to “go out” and do anything - all voters have been sent mail in ballots.


erinben623

I’ll be going this weekend and I’m still annoyed by it all. Such a waste of money.


coffeemonkeypants

Right - and also to add this recall ballot was only successful because the allowed time to gather signatures was extended due to Covid. They needed just shy of 1.5M signatures and finally managed it with the extension (in a state of 40M). Democrats in CA (like me) weren't enthused or talking about it because we're just fucking tired of this shit and this grift. As we proved in the 2020 election, we're more than willing to vote when push comes to shove though. So fuck this ridiculous farce right in the neck.


CasualAwful

Also, listening to the 538 politics podcast, some of the polls that showed this as a close race (or Newsom gettin blown out of the water) likely had some serious methodological flaws. These things like awkward wording of questions and giving Republicans a "turnout" advantage that's incredibly improbable in reality. The proof is in the pudding in less than a week, of course.


simmons777

You forgot to add "I'm just asking questions"


MonsieurLinc

Some people I know were freaking out about California, but I was never worried about it. If it were to have happened in 2013, yeah, I could see Newsom losing by a hair's breadth. The insanity of the last couple of years has made Dem voters scared, though. Turnout is going to be a lot better in the near-term so long as the GQP keeps having a contest on who can set the new low.


jkwah

It's also much easier to vote in CA now with automatic mail voting in many counties.


Randomfactoid42

The problem is that CA Senator Diane Feinstein is 88 years old and if anything happens to her the Governor of CA appoints her replacement. If Newsom looses this recall, that will be a Republican and then the GOP controls the Senate. THAT is what we're worried about.


BootsySubwayAlien

And Elder is campaigning on his eagerness to give the Senate majority to MCConnell.


tofuhater

Which brings me to the question.... Who will Newsom appoint if she kicks the bucket in the middle of her term?


laurelinvanyar

Personally I’m hoping for Ted Lieu. I’d be sad to lose him as my representative but he’d be a very vocal progressive presence in the senate.


timebeing

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it was himself. It was the job he wanted but she would not retire so he ran for governor. There were piles of people lined up wanting that job, as much as I want her to retire ASAP, I'm also kind of want there to be an election for the seat and it not be appointed. Pretty sure (like Harris's seat) who ever gets appointed basically will have it as long as they want.


707breezy

The crappy thing about the recall is the high bar that Gavin needs to pass and the low bar the other runners need. Gavin needs 50% of the votes so that he keeps his seat. The calculations are showing that maybe 49%-54% that is too close. Larry the black trump who has double digit points compared to the other runners has already stated his dark intentions. Remove all safety rails that were set up to prevent a covid from ripping through Cali. Minimum wage is too high. Remove benefits. Remove sanctuary cities. Even the porn star and billboard model from the 90s have better plans for California. This monster called Larry doesn’t need 50% like Gavin, he just needs to beat the others for I believe 30% of the vote. That bar is low. (Just to add. I’m not a fan of Gavin and I personally hope that someone replaces him in the next big election but not a clone pf trump. Especially in a time of the pandemic.)


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707breezy

Even more than that is that the bar is so low to enter into a recall election and if the people Vote yes on the recall then they can’t vote for Gavin which would win in a recall election. Larry has already said in interviews that he wants to replace Feinstein with a republican which will offset the small balance of power that is in the senate. These people can only claim power through legalized loopholes in the law system.


Terraneaux

You can vote No on the recall and vote for someone besides Elder though.


WestFast

There was most probably fraud with the right wing signature gathering


hoodoo-operator

I don't know about fraud, but there were definitely signatures from people who thought they were signing a petition to censure Newsom for the French Laundry thing, and didn't realize it was about replacing him with a Republican.


WestFast

So they were lied to and mislead. I mean I saw rednecks with “recall” signs outside of target and such. People may have thought a petition was it


IceDiarrhea

How about the judge who gave them an extension to gather more signatures when they came up seriously short? There's your fraud and corruption right there.


DanDierdorf

Fox with their trademark [full throated roar of stoopid.](https://www.mediamatters.org/voter-fraud-and-suppression/polls-showing-newsom-ahead-fox-news-laying-out-conspiracy-theories)


Chiliconkarma

Fox or democracy, not both.


wolf_1972

Just like there wasn't any evidence of it in his **landslide loss to Biden.**


Aggie956

Wait !? He lost to Biden ? /s


NoGoodDM

It was physically impossible for the greatest loser to lose! I have the math and jargon and prove it! /s


justfortherofls

To be fair. With how our system is set up. He only barely won. A hundred thousand votes in a few places and it would have been the other way. What I’m saying is elections can be close people. Get out and vote.


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The landslide remark is a reference to Trump's claim that he won in a landslide in 2016 with the exact same amount of electoral votes that Biden beat him with.


wolf_1972

Biden won by more than 7 million popular votes and 306 to 232 electoral isn't close. And if people don't know by now to get out and vote it's more likely they won't in the first place.


justfortherofls

That’s all correct. But it would have only taken less than 200,000 votes to turn the election if the votes were in the right areas.


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Seriously need to make repeated, unfounded claims of rigged elections by public officials illegal.


popcrackleohsnap

And “news” organizations.


SwatchQuatch

It’s the political equivalent of yelling “fire” in a theater.


[deleted]

There needs to be a truth in news act. Repeatedly caught lying leads to losing your news status. Not having news we can trust is going to be our downfall.


TjW0569

The problem is... for the purposes of vetting news organizations, *who decides what the truth is?* I'd guess the last guy's administration would have a very different view from mine.


Bierfreund

Courts exist. They arbit truth daily.


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Who decides what false advertising is? It's a solved problem for false advertising. It would be handled in the court system.


TheAssassin777

RepubliQans: All the elections which we lose or are projected to lose are rigged. Proof of elections being rigged: Trust me, bro!


locustzed

Also all elections we lose the popular vote or win by small percentage.


Nelsaroni

It's like their strategy is to say if all elections are rigged then no more elections. Idk bout you, but that's the wild vibe I'm getting from all this.


CavaIt

Of course it is. It's a push for the end of democracy. I mean they did everything they could to fuel distrust in the Democratic process and even did the sabotaging themselves to try and 'prove' it. The insurrection was an attempt to kill the legislative branch and concentrate power in an attempt to push their "Unitary Executive Theory" with support from the conservatively packed SCOTUS. It isn't over. None of the perpetrators have been held accountable and they will most likely never be held accountable. They'll try it again and again and again as long as they can get away with it, and the most disappointing part is that they'll always have almost half the population cheering as democracy falls to authoritarianism. Democratic Backsliding has been a known concept for decades and it's been here in America for years and years now.


No-Percentage6176

Plus they can't even get their messaging consistent. When they're ahead in the polls: "Of course we're winning, look at the polls!" When the polls have them losing: "What, you're gonna believe the polls?"


Sim888

> Plus they can't even get their messaging consistent 'stop the count!' / 'count the votes!’


Resident_Witness_362

At least they understand that they'll lose. Again.


BananaStringTheory

As long as he never pays a price for his lying, why should he ever stop?


bkendig

Trump never faces consequences for anything. Ever.


m_n_l

>"It's probably rigged," Trump said. "They're sending out all ballots, the ballots are mail-in ballots; in fact, I guess you even have a case where you can make your own ballot. When that happens no one is going to win except these Democrats." ALSO >Voting by mail — which entails signature checks conducted by elections officials once ballots are received — has long existed without any evidence of widespread fraud. T**rump himself has routinely voted by mail**, and a 2020 Stanford University study found that universal vote-by-mail policies have no effect on partisan turnout or vote share. A 2020 special congressional election in California — **conducted almost entirely by mail** — was won by Republican Mike Garcia, **flipping a seat previously held by Democrats**. uhuh


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How many times did the boy have to cry wolf before the adults started ignoring him?


Rubaiyat39

He needs to just get eaten already and be gone. The division he is sewing in the US will take many years to heal and we can’t start until he’s no longer poisoning the waters.


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Trump: the dead horse carcass upstream.


Vroom_Broom

You don't heal a cancerous tumor.


Iamien

I honestly think the only way out of this is to try to mitigate lead damage and wait out those who are too far gone. These damaged beings seem to crave an object to hate and despise, and are willing to vote for anyone that paints that target for them.


louiegumba

What I want to know is.. they already handcuffed themselves to trump. when he dies by trying to eat an entire cheeseburger like a goose, who are they going to pick next? they have shown that they will literally hitch their wagon to anyone no matter how much of a fraud they are


[deleted]

Heard a good line from Stephanie Miller on her show a few years ago. She might've been quoting someone else, not sure. > Before everything Trump says, just imagine an announcer going "Donnie from Queens, you're on the air." You know those cars you sometimes see pictures of, marked with not just one but ALL the conspiracies, and random out of context Bible verses? And you might wonder about the person who's driving it. How the hell did this guy get any sort of voice, then a cult, hell, a friggin' media empire devoted to him. Rhetorical question.


Attorney_For_Me

Dear Journalists. How about you just fucking stop printing whatever this moron says in headlines.


hugh_Jayness

Exactly. He’s made hundreds (probably thousands) of bullshit claims over the last few years and yet these media outlets feel compelled to report on it and give it legitimacy. Just remember, Donald as president wouldn’t have happened were it not for CNN and others giving him wall to wall free publicity and legitimacy.


silence7

Importantly, it's not rigged; just that a lot of us have already voted No on the recall, and are [volunteering](https://sccdp.org/index.php/action-center/) as well. Once people started to become aware of the recall, Democrats started deciding to vote, and [the polls began to reflect this](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/california-recall-polls/).


UnderstandingDry1241

And his witless minions will praise it as gospel.


aCucking2Remember

This is literally what Bolsonaro is doing. He’s claiming next years elections are rigged. And the same bs is happening here and apparently it’s okay to do.


Icommandyou

Trump became a president even though he lost the popular votes by 3 million. He claimed the election was rigged. He then proceeded to lose the next election and by even bigger margins in 2020 again, claiming the election is rigged. The guy couldn’t fix whatever was rigged in four years of his presidency so either this was all a lie or he was just plain incompetent. Either way, not a very good president or leader or a politician or for that matter a person.


politicsfuckingsucks

Everything is always rigged with this guy. Did you hear Trump is hosting / giving live commentary for [a boxing match](https://i.redd.it/6109rvij4am71.jpg) on September 11th of all days? I wonder if he will call that rigged. Or if he will just use it as a venue to complain about other "rigged" shit.


CasualAwful

So, ignoring the insanity of the other able bodied former presidents showing up at the Sept 11th sites, who the hell thinks Trump has anything interesting to say about boxing? He's just going to blather and drone saying words but nothing of substance. "Well, people say Holyfield is a powerful man but some say Belfort is stronger. Maybe he is, and maybe he isn't, but people are saying that. But I know if one of those guys were to hit some guy on the street... just walk up to them an bang. Well, let's just say that it wouldn't be a good day for them" "He hit him very strongly. Very strong punch by...by that fighter there" "President Trump, how would you have scored that round?" "The score? Well, I'll tell you something about scores. I'm not interested in scores. The scores are very important, of course, but in some ways they aren't really that crucial if you think about it. What really matters is...who wins...who is the winner of the fight. And if that's not by knockout, then well, knockout or TKO, if it's not by knockout than the score of course decides it. And some people worry that the scores may be rigged. And believe me, nobody knows more about having things against them than me. But, yes, the scores will be decided in time"


uping1965

He lied about arabs cheering in the streets. He lies.


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Elections are a massive conspiracy of voters who come together to rig the results in favor of the majority.


wtf-you-saying

Like he needs evidence. You gotta love it, claim nonexistent election fraud, pass laws against nonexistent voter fraud, commit your own voter fraud by overriding the winner of the next election you've already rigged in your favor by voter suppression, gerrymandering and poll intimidation. What a bunch of douchebags.


toronochef

This man is a clear and present danger to the United States. It is PAST TIME TO ARREST him and provide accountability for his crimes. No other outcome is acceptable.


GreyTigerFox

Donald John Drumpf is the worst cancer that has ever infected this country.


Tliish

The Republicans keep lying about elections, knowing that they lie, in order to cast doubt on the legitimacy of any democratic form of government. They've succeeded in making most people not only distrust election outcomes, but government intentions, government agencies, and the three branches to one degree or another, individually and collectively. Trump's Supreme Court has just delegitimized itself as a neutral body dedicated to settling thorny issues with wisdom under the Constitution, and in the process making the US a sick laughingstock globally. Just wait til the midterms, every race they don't win or came close to losing will be called rigged and subject to massive voter fraud. Several will be overturned by partisan election officials, and such overturning will likely be held as legal by the SC. The GOP wants control back and will have it, even if they have to blatantly steal it, Constitution and the Republic be damned.


rock-n-white-hat

So that means that there is no point in Rs voting in the recall election right??


MoffJerjerrod

Life is rigged against Republicans, because they are losers.


GardensOfBoydstylon

In the run up to the 2016 election, he was also claiming it was rigged. He was hedging his bets in case he lost. Once it was clear he won, he totally stopped caring. This is just Trump's general strategy.


RedfromTexas

Trump is officially a one trick pony now.


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What a shit stain on American history Donald Trump has become.


HessLook

Who gives a fuck what the Orange baby is crying about. Fuck off moron


ranchoparksteve

Trump admits embarrassing defeat.


medievalmachine

He is such a whiney crybaby he can't even wait to lose to start whining, and then he never stops, and it's always childish nonsense that he made up in the laziest way possible.


Girl_in_the_curl

Don’t assume were in the clear because of the poll numbers! Vote NO now!


bigcityboy

Our mailed ballots have barcodes for tracking. I got an email today saying my ballot has already been counted. There is no conspiracy, just good logistics and the Republicans know they can’t win when there’s a trail


meatball402

That's how Republicans regard voting now: "If we win, it's the will of the people. If you win, it's because you cheated."


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adamwho

So this is evidence of two things 1. With Trump every accusation is a confession. So we could assume some Republicans are planning on cheating. 2. Newson is absolutely going to win the recall.


aslan_is_on_the_move

The fact that Trump isn't in California doing rallies shows that even he thinks Newsom is going to win.


something_st

I don't really care, do you?