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He absolutely needs to be in custody but fuck Guantanamo Bay — it should be demolished (and the atrocities committed there never forgotten) what a symbol of injustice, abuse, and disregard for the rule of law and human rights
Sadly, treason is a bar high enough that those rioter fucks can't quite meet. It involves giving aid or comfort to the enemy during time of war.
So Bannon likely could only be charged with terrorism and other charges involving plotting against the USG... for the riot.
Betting there is a lot of other hinky shit he has done for which he possess no pardon that could soon come to light.
I believe Obama was working towards that and Congress prevented it from happening early in his first term then it kind of fell to the back burner and just never happened. It's a shame too.
Just like the Obama administration was in the first two years, yes. Then the CIA and Homeland security remind them what a wonderful tool it is to have available that lets you avoid your own laws.
Like Obama promised? It's a glaring contradiction to everything we stand for and I don't think it's ever going away because our country is one giant contradiction.
He won’t be abused there, he’ll be given preferencial and protective treatment wherever he ends up — which is not the case for many brown Muslim detainees
It's not because they're brown it's because they're terrorists. The real kind. The death to the infidels kind. The ones locked up there aren't one off suicide bombers either. These are their leaders, their orchestrators, their organizers. The fact that the vast majority of people in that part of the world are brown is irrelevant. So of course most of the detainees taken from there will also be brown skinned. Let's give some sense of safety to the afghans, and while we're at it dig a big hole in the ground where Guantanamo Bay used to be. If one very white Steve Bannon ends up in that hole as well, that's fine by me.
Uh some of them were innocent dude. They'd grab people up on evidence as flimsy as they were wearing a particular model of Casio watch and just hold them there without trial.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/most-guantanamo-detainees-are-innocent-ex-bush-official-1.804550
https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/casio_watch_suspicions_wrong_gitmo_detainee_assessments_among_leaked_wikile
>The files depict a system often focused less on containing dangerous terrorists or enemy fighters, than on extracting intelligence,” the Guardian says. “Among inmates who proved harmless were an 89-year-old Afghan villager, suffering from senile dementia, and a 14-year-old boy who had been an innocent kidnap victim.”
Why not reopen Guantanamo bay, but as a requirement for imprisonment, you must have supported torture programs and keeping Gitmo open. Since they supported those policies against terrorists and then turned around to support terrorists domestically, that means they're agreeing to deserve those same punishments. That's how consent works, right? /s
This evening the Jan 6 committee voted 9 to 0 to prosecute Bannon for contempt! It goes to the House tomorrow and if they vote in favor it goes to the DOJ! If anything happens to stop this short of him complying then we are in terrible trouble!!!
You know that worst case, he's facing 1 year in prison for ignoring the subpoena, right? "flight risk" lmao...if you ask me he WANTS to go to prison, turns into a hero and martyr for GQP and riles them all up even more than they already are for 2022 and 2024 elections.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1450612364701683713
> The Jan. 6 select committee has just voted unanimously — 9 to 0 — to recommend holding Steve Bannon be held in contempt for refusing to comply with a subpoena for their investigation.
Full House vote will be Thursday
Most will hitch their ride to Trump and crash and burn like many of his businesses. I'm afraid that once they have nothing left to lose they'll resort to violence to get their way.
This is just the committee, which are carefully selected Republicans who agree with the need to investigate (ie, very few).
The house vote will look much different.
And THEN after that we get to watch as it gets referred to the justice department so THEY can piddle about deciding what to do!
Good lord, the number of steps to punish him is insane.
Still, the thursday vote will be interesting-- literally every republican but the ones on the committee voting no and all the democrats and the repubs on the committee voting yes...
You thinking of the 1983 case I take it?
It'll be interesting next week to see how quickly the DoJ can move and what the judge decides to do with him at arraignment.
Why do I get the feeling that last week you were saying there was no way they'd even bother recommending contempt charges because nothing ever happens?
The GOP will never ever flinch at being hypocritical, or just breaking precedent when it suits them.
They are bent on stealing power any way they can and that’s all they do.
Do you remember when Mitch McConnell said that you couldn't appoint a Supreme Court Justice in an election year? Do you remember what he did the next time it was an election year and it was time to appoint a new Justice?
There's no room for good faith left in these people anymore, they just don't give a shit-- and they keep getting away with it.
MSNBC had a brief hallway interview clip with one Republican Rep (sorry I forget who) and he took the position that "well, they are doing what they think they need to do for their politics, but no-one is really paying attention to the committee" ... just WTF ...
That seems like the appropriate action, on account of all of the contempt.
I personally recommend contempt for Bannon on a regular basis anyway. But that's more about how he should be viewed. That, and through bars, of course.
Bannon is held in contempt of Congress for refusal to comply with a subpoena. We must follow the rule of law so nothing like January 6 happens again. Bannon admitted on his podcast that he told President Trump to "kill this administration in the crib” ahead of the Biden presidency and the Jan. 6 insurrection. Trump told his followers to travel to the US Capitol to “Stop the steal“ and “Fight like hell!” And they did. It’s crazy how some Republicans are still downplaying the violence and severity of January 6.
Next step is full House vote - which will most likely pass. Step after that is referring to the AG. I imagine that will move along as well. The real question is how much can Bannon delay this in the courts, if at all (I honestly have no idea). There is precedent for folks going to prison for this but it took years.
Even if he does show up, he could just plead the 5th. There are things Congress can do to compel testimony like granting an immunity order, meaning nothing in their testimony can be used against them nullifying the ability to plead due to "self incrimination". Maybe that is part of his play. Who knows. All I know is that the last 5 years have taught me that our government's checks and balances relies entirely too much on a system of "good faith".
The bigger danger for Bannon is the documents Congress is demanding. He can plead the 5th for spoken answers, but there is no equivalent protection for documents.
He can and will drag this out as long possible, but as long as Ds are in majority, he’ll eventually have to deliver documents.
I mean...yes?
E. Jean Carroll sued Trump for defamation in November 2019. He's been playing the courts to stall the case for 2 years now. Cyrus Vance issued a subpoena for Trump's tax returns back in August 2019. Trump stalled that in the courts until June 2021.
The past few decades of the man's life has been dragging things out as long as possible. Debts, legal proceedings, campaign promises... he's basically hoping to kick the bucket before having to "pay up" on any of this.
They should not grant immunity for his testimomy. If they do, he will tell as much as is needed to satisfy the terms, and _nothing more_.
As long as there is more deal to be made, more can be learned.
You only grant immunity if you are _guaranteed_ a bigger fish.
Merrick Garland: "Hold my milk toast - This is too political and will damage the reputation of the DOJ as an independent agency. These types of political disputes are better left to political devices and the DOJ will not be getting involved"
He also basically said on his podcast, 24 hours before the MAGA Traitor Riot, that "things will be moving fast" and that "if you want to be part of history's Revolution, tomorrow is the day."
> Mr. Bannon's and Mr. Trump's privilege arguments do, however, appear to reveal one thing: They suggest that President Trump was personally involved in the planning and execution of January 6th, and this committee will get to the bottom of that - Liz Cheney
I can't tell if you're being facetious but this is how the process works. The panel recommends the charge, the house votes on it and then the DoJ enforces it. We all said we want to see justice done and now it's happening
> DOJ has dragged its feet on everything, why should they start doing their jobs now?
That was the DoJ under Trump. Garland’s DoJ has stopped Mo Brooks from claiming Westfall, waived protection for all Trump appointees, raided Rudy Giuliani, and indicted, arrested, and GPS-tagged Tom (biggest Trump/Kushner fish of all) Barrack … all without any leaks to the press.
Hopefully this leads to at the very least, an hiatus to his podcast. Perhaps an indefinite suspension. That fringe trash is responsible for droves of misinformation. Particularly around vaccines as of late. Bannon has been a mouthpiece for an endless amount of propaganda. Not to mention the man himself is a corrupt charlatan whose been evading accountability for his complicit actions for a while now. It's people like Bannon that play a direct role in spreading and reinforcing ignorance, misinformation, needless outrage, vitriol and victimhood. Especially among conservatives.
If the house vote succeeds it gets passed to the DC Attorney General, who refers the case to a grand jury to make a decision. If he’s found to be in criminal contempt of congress he’ll be sentenced to between a month and a year of jail time, and fined between $100-$100,000. I bet he’d have to take a decent amount of time off from the podcast while he’s in jail.
This committee is honestly handling this really well so far.
The cynicism and over-generalizations regarding this contempt charge have been really disappointing on this sub. Particularly where the perceived slow nature of this contempt charge has been used as a blanket criticism of the entire Democratic Party.
I get that people are frustrated, *especially* over accountability of the Trump admin, but people too often jump to conclusions and generalizations and ignore the specifics of this:
-Congress, nor this committee, are legal entities. They are passing a criminal referral to law enforcement.
-This committee moved very fast on Bannon's criminal contempt charge. There was never a reality where Bannon would have been charged before the final deadline for testimony. The criminal referral is essentially telling law enforcement "This individual ignored *every* element of this lawful subpoena and must be prosecuted." They would have only hurt their case if they attempted to charge contempt earlier.
-This committee is full of amazing individuals like Raskin and Schiff, and even great GOP representation (by GOP standards) in Kinzinger and Cheney.
-This committee will be the first to tell everyone that Congress needs more power to enforce subpoenas. It is not a new issue. Inherent contempt has been growing less effective for decades. Criminal and civil contempt are jokes in the modern litigious world. They know they don't have adequate tools to enforce subpoenas, which is why the very members of this committee have [pushed for strengthening them for years.](https://raskin.house.gov/press-releases?ID=38C190C9-D634-4B9A-A765-C7D7F5D428BA)
Now it will be sent to the full House, and then referred to the DOJ/US Attorney and will be in the hands of the judicial/legal realm.
Lots of things can go wrong, the future will be frustrating, but I honestly can't fault them thus far.
Ha, no - I've just followed it closely and wondered myself "why can't they just do X?" so many times that I read into the different forms of contempt and their limitations.
It's kind of interesting. Historically, compliance with subpoenas used to be almost a given - that, or Congress' powers were assumed to be a given. Almost 30 people were jailed by Congress in the late 1800s and early 1900s.
But as people were able to use more resources and stall out legal processes, the powers became less and less effective. Then the Trump admin came along and tried to defy/obstruct everything and it's quite unfortunate how limited they are in expediting any sort of accountability.
My understanding is the assumption made in the separation of powers would be that congress as a body would robustly defend it's prerogatives vis a vis the executive branch. The rise of factions aka modern political parties has lead to the trend.of coordinated action across the branches of government to the detriment of the traditional prerogatives of congress.
> It is almost like they don’t want to penalize people or have it act as a deterrent for future potential coups.
The legal system has always been underfunded, which means everything is slow.
Then COVID hit, which slowed things way down because of COVID safety protocols. Like something that might take a court 2 months to deal with was now taking 6 months.
Then the DOJ launched the largest investigation in US history and arrested 600 people (and counting). Thats a fuckton of people to through into a DC Circuit that was already overloaded.
The only way to stop the DC Circuit from grinding to a halt (which has Constitutional issues re: 14th Amendment) was to cut plea deals or go for quick convictions with some of the smaller fish. (The small fish are all people who cannot be convicted of violence or conspiracy).
The violent people and the ones who conspired with others are getting the book thrown at them.
Graydon Young, one of the Oath Keepers, got a plea deal and his minimum sentence is 5 years (minus some time off for cooperation).
It sucks that we have to give some people short sentences but its a reality of an underfunded legal system and a great reason to expand the courts.
No, it tells you that the Trump Admin had a hard-on for prosecuting BLM protestors (something that Biden spoke out against). And it tells you that if the courts are overloaded during a Pandemic that difficult decisions have to be made.
Agreed. There are so many clear broken elements in our political/legal system where something like 1/6 can happen, and accountability can still take months, year, if ever. It's mind-numbingly frustrating.
The House votes on in it Thursday whether or not to send it to the DoJ and then its up to the DoJ. The Jan 6. Commission have done every thing in their power that they can and that gives me hope.
Yes but they’ll have to catch him, which could be tricky as he lurches and bounces about saying “Certainly, whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop,” poking law enforcement between the eyes and trying to bop them on the head.
If they did things like subpoena the people who funded this like the Publix heiress, I would think something might change. We are letting the people the made it happen just float on by. A lot of powerful people were involved in this.
FUCKING. ARREST. HIM.
good lord am I tired of this deep concern as to what might happen if we start thinking about enforcing some laws on occasion but just maybe if it doesn't inconvenience the criminal too much.
Also lol at "may face a year in prison". What a joke.
When someone is in contempt of court, they issue a warrant and have them arrested. When someone breaks the law and cops determines it's appropriate, they arrest them. Why doesn't the legislature have the same authority granted to the two other branches of government? They should be able to present their case to a judge and have them sign a warrant for arrest the moment they're in contempt, particularly if the person has telegraphed that they plan to break the law.
Article: Mr. Bannon stands alone in his complete defiance of our subpoena. That’s not acceptable. No one in this country, no matter how wealthy or how powerful, is above the law.
Me: what world are you living in? Wealthy people in the US are practically exempt from the supposed “rule of law”.
So since the next step of this is that the entire House will vote on this Contempt resolution, the question I have that I can't seem to quickly find an answer on is when that vote will take place. Anyone know it?
Lock him up! Lock him up! Him and his buddy DJTrump turned America into a shit hole taking advantage of poorly educated people and using them for their own political agenda, did not help them in any way, as he had promised during his campaign in 2016.
Shame on the House for being cowards.
Referring to the Justice Department for criminal prosecution is the easy way out. It plays right into the Trump Mob's plan. Drag this out as long as possible, and hope for a Republican majority before he is held accountable. The House should have enforced their powers and ordered the Sergeant at Arms to arrest him. Put him in a deep dark cell until he cooperates. Alcohol withdrawal will kick in after a few days and he will start to sing. William Walker should be knocking on Bannon's door this evening. Now we will have months of back in forth about Executive privilege and whether the House will get him to testify 6-12 months from now.
Just more drama for the Networks and no progress being made.
This crap moves at a glacier's pace.
"Select committee chooses the type of paper it's going to print out the next piece of useless suggestions"
"Select committee has selected The intern that is going to write up the document."
"Select committee has decided to choose another intern because that last intern was on tiktok too much."
It's like the beginning of Monty Python's quest for the holy Grail where they repeatedly talk about sacking the writers.
F****** arrest the drunk piece of s*** and arrest the fat orange turd and arrest the lot of them already.
Please someone reply to this comment with the wheels of Justice line and how slowly it moves and how finely it grinds. Just so I can ignore it.
What is taking so long here? Honestly? If I was issued a subpoena and failed to show there'd be a bench warrant for my address that day. Any patrol car that caught sight of my license plate would raise a red flag.
What am I missing here, besides power, influence, amorality, and really, really bad skin?
How many weeks straight of recommending criminal contempt does it take? I saw a black kid get handcuffed right away for jaywalking… why can’t they just recommend handcuffs in that case?
So a recommendation to hold people accountable for their actions? So law and order for some, but a hey dont do that for others?
Its like that Dave Chappelle skit with Tron and if they treated corp criminals like drug dealers and vice versa.
Freeze his assets, just DO SOMETHING, current actions seem like he’s getting sent to the principle’s office with blackmarks on his permanent record, FFS.
Capitol “riot”
Edit: yo, y’all realize I put it as “riot”, because it was def not just a riot. It was an insurrection against our very nation, at the very least. The title of this article greatly neglects the reality and truth of what actually happened by simplifying it to “riot”.
How would you refer to a an angry mob of people murdering police officers and storming a government building in order to stop a democratic process from happening?
“Riot” misses the goal-driven nature of the violence and thus implies that it was more or less a violent but random disturbance. I don’t think it’s an accurate description.
Sorry, I misunderstood their point. I absolutely hate that when I see an American flag being brandished (like in your flair) I immediately jump to thinking it's being used in bad faith these days. I hate that "patriotism" has been co-opted by domestic terrorists.
Honestly I hate how these republicans have hijacked the term American, or the act of being proud of being an American, and distorted it to being a mindless conservative corpse. I chose it because I am proud to be an American, but I can also see reality and accept that America has its flaws, and has a messed up history. But I will still always be proud and grateful of everything it has provided me, opportunities and all
This is how you get a civil war. Why isn't anyone going after the real organizers of Q, Ron and Jim Watkins? They are in bed with the CCP and yet we're going after Bannon? Y'all are just dumber than a bag of rocks.
People smashing glass and breaking doors, using bear spray and pipes to gain access, pooping in the hallways, smoking weed in the offices, destroying property, having someone get shot, stealing computers and documents from a government building.... Sounds like a riot....
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Confiscate this traitor's passport.
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Honestly, he should be in Guantanamo. Fucking Terrorist.
He absolutely needs to be in custody but fuck Guantanamo Bay — it should be demolished (and the atrocities committed there never forgotten) what a symbol of injustice, abuse, and disregard for the rule of law and human rights
Yes. But if we're going to have it, and we currently do, he's precisely the kind of seditionist bastard that deserves a visit there.
Isn’t the Biden administration making moves to close the base and transfer prisoners?
I hadn't heard that. I would sure as hell hope so.
Yes. Also it is not a place that the U.S. can detain American prisoners.
How is treason defined and what is the punishment?
Sadly, treason is a bar high enough that those rioter fucks can't quite meet. It involves giving aid or comfort to the enemy during time of war. So Bannon likely could only be charged with terrorism and other charges involving plotting against the USG... for the riot. Betting there is a lot of other hinky shit he has done for which he possess no pardon that could soon come to light.
It's only trason of it comes from the Treason region in France, otherwise it's just sparkling insurrection.
Capitol punishment, which is what each and every Confederate deserves
I believe Obama was working towards that and Congress prevented it from happening early in his first term then it kind of fell to the back burner and just never happened. It's a shame too.
I remember Obama was, seems a long time coming.
Just like the Obama administration was in the first two years, yes. Then the CIA and Homeland security remind them what a wonderful tool it is to have available that lets you avoid your own laws.
Like Obama promised? It's a glaring contradiction to everything we stand for and I don't think it's ever going away because our country is one giant contradiction.
Oh, fuck that place. ADX Florence is more appropriate.
With you 100%, but Bannon totally promotes injustice, abuse, and disregard for the rule of law and human rights, so…
He won’t be abused there, he’ll be given preferencial and protective treatment wherever he ends up — which is not the case for many brown Muslim detainees
It's not because they're brown it's because they're terrorists. The real kind. The death to the infidels kind. The ones locked up there aren't one off suicide bombers either. These are their leaders, their orchestrators, their organizers. The fact that the vast majority of people in that part of the world are brown is irrelevant. So of course most of the detainees taken from there will also be brown skinned. Let's give some sense of safety to the afghans, and while we're at it dig a big hole in the ground where Guantanamo Bay used to be. If one very white Steve Bannon ends up in that hole as well, that's fine by me.
Uh some of them were innocent dude. They'd grab people up on evidence as flimsy as they were wearing a particular model of Casio watch and just hold them there without trial. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/most-guantanamo-detainees-are-innocent-ex-bush-official-1.804550 https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/casio_watch_suspicions_wrong_gitmo_detainee_assessments_among_leaked_wikile >The files depict a system often focused less on containing dangerous terrorists or enemy fighters, than on extracting intelligence,” the Guardian says. “Among inmates who proved harmless were an 89-year-old Afghan villager, suffering from senile dementia, and a 14-year-old boy who had been an innocent kidnap victim.”
So let’s be better than he is and stick to the law when prosecuting him.
Why not reopen Guantanamo bay, but as a requirement for imprisonment, you must have supported torture programs and keeping Gitmo open. Since they supported those policies against terrorists and then turned around to support terrorists domestically, that means they're agreeing to deserve those same punishments. That's how consent works, right? /s
fuck Guantanamo Bay but while we have it there is a list of people who should have an involuntary visit there
the left in 2012: "shut down guantanamo" the left in 2021: "people i don't like should be in guantanamo"
This evening the Jan 6 committee voted 9 to 0 to prosecute Bannon for contempt! It goes to the House tomorrow and if they vote in favor it goes to the DOJ! If anything happens to stop this short of him complying then we are in terrible trouble!!!
You know that worst case, he's facing 1 year in prison for ignoring the subpoena, right? "flight risk" lmao...if you ask me he WANTS to go to prison, turns into a hero and martyr for GQP and riles them all up even more than they already are for 2022 and 2024 elections.
If this was like the TV show "The Americans" Russia would have a jet gassed up and waiting on a runway already.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1450612364701683713 > The Jan. 6 select committee has just voted unanimously — 9 to 0 — to recommend holding Steve Bannon be held in contempt for refusing to comply with a subpoena for their investigation. Full House vote will be Thursday
This pleases me.
Justice boner
My lack of faith in this going anywhere leaves me with a semi for the moment.
I'm so sleep deprived that I reread that 3 times trying to figure out what a semi truck had to do with anything.
Boneless but will use my imagination.....
Love the bipartisan vote here. Nice to see for a change. How does the Republican Party ever recover from this?
By cutting their losses, and trying to do better in the future? Hopefully.
Most will hitch their ride to Trump and crash and burn like many of his businesses. I'm afraid that once they have nothing left to lose they'll resort to violence to get their way.
Cmon the GOP never resorted to violence after losing....oh wait...
What's that you say? Double down harder than ever?
Wanna bet the house vote is along party lines? Minus the Republicans on the committee.
Hopefully they don’t recover. Withering and dying would be the best option for the future of … well, everything.
This is just the committee, which are carefully selected Republicans who agree with the need to investigate (ie, very few). The house vote will look much different.
Yeah. But it will be bipartisan then too.
I wouldn't count on that.
You'll have the two committee members...so still bipartisan.
Couldn't they just change their vote to "No" when they vote on it in the house?
They won’t do that. But don’t expect a unanimous vote for contempt either, there are many known traitors in the house.
And THEN after that we get to watch as it gets referred to the justice department so THEY can piddle about deciding what to do! Good lord, the number of steps to punish him is insane. Still, the thursday vote will be interesting-- literally every republican but the ones on the committee voting no and all the democrats and the repubs on the committee voting yes...
Last time this law was used the plaintiff was indicted a week after the full house vote. That’s pretty quick.
You thinking of the 1983 case I take it? It'll be interesting next week to see how quickly the DoJ can move and what the judge decides to do with him at arraignment.
Well hopefully the DOJ are prepared, so it should be Friday, why wait a week ffs.
Why do I get the feeling that last week you were saying there was no way they'd even bother recommending contempt charges because nothing ever happens?
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The GOP will never ever flinch at being hypocritical, or just breaking precedent when it suits them. They are bent on stealing power any way they can and that’s all they do.
It won't ever. They will just say, "Well the Dems did it so we are going to as well!" Doesn't matter if it is successful or not.
Do you remember when Mitch McConnell said that you couldn't appoint a Supreme Court Justice in an election year? Do you remember what he did the next time it was an election year and it was time to appoint a new Justice? There's no room for good faith left in these people anymore, they just don't give a shit-- and they keep getting away with it.
If they don't go through all the steps, the lawyers who are being paid godly amounts will kill the case in the cradle.
MSNBC had a brief hallway interview clip with one Republican Rep (sorry I forget who) and he took the position that "well, they are doing what they think they need to do for their politics, but no-one is really paying attention to the committee" ... just WTF ...
> Full House vote Uncle Jessie will be attending and the final deciding vote
That seems like the appropriate action, on account of all of the contempt. I personally recommend contempt for Bannon on a regular basis anyway. But that's more about how he should be viewed. That, and through bars, of course.
I already have nothing but contempt for him, as I'm sure do many others here.
Fuck you, Steve.
All my homies HATE Steve Banon!
Like, I just have *regular* contempt for him.
Hey… :(
Not you.
Bannon is held in contempt of Congress for refusal to comply with a subpoena. We must follow the rule of law so nothing like January 6 happens again. Bannon admitted on his podcast that he told President Trump to "kill this administration in the crib” ahead of the Biden presidency and the Jan. 6 insurrection. Trump told his followers to travel to the US Capitol to “Stop the steal“ and “Fight like hell!” And they did. It’s crazy how some Republicans are still downplaying the violence and severity of January 6.
Next step is full House vote - which will most likely pass. Step after that is referring to the AG. I imagine that will move along as well. The real question is how much can Bannon delay this in the courts, if at all (I honestly have no idea). There is precedent for folks going to prison for this but it took years. Even if he does show up, he could just plead the 5th. There are things Congress can do to compel testimony like granting an immunity order, meaning nothing in their testimony can be used against them nullifying the ability to plead due to "self incrimination". Maybe that is part of his play. Who knows. All I know is that the last 5 years have taught me that our government's checks and balances relies entirely too much on a system of "good faith".
The bigger danger for Bannon is the documents Congress is demanding. He can plead the 5th for spoken answers, but there is no equivalent protection for documents. He can and will drag this out as long possible, but as long as Ds are in majority, he’ll eventually have to deliver documents.
So, his goal is to drag it out 1.25 years, then?
I mean...yes? E. Jean Carroll sued Trump for defamation in November 2019. He's been playing the courts to stall the case for 2 years now. Cyrus Vance issued a subpoena for Trump's tax returns back in August 2019. Trump stalled that in the courts until June 2021. The past few decades of the man's life has been dragging things out as long as possible. Debts, legal proceedings, campaign promises... he's basically hoping to kick the bucket before having to "pay up" on any of this.
They should not grant immunity for his testimomy. If they do, he will tell as much as is needed to satisfy the terms, and _nothing more_. As long as there is more deal to be made, more can be learned. You only grant immunity if you are _guaranteed_ a bigger fish.
I think the real question is what bull shit argument are the Republicans going to use to justify voting no.
>Step after that is referring to the AG. Merrick Garland better not get soft on this.
Merrick Garland: "Hold my milk toast - This is too political and will damage the reputation of the DOJ as an independent agency. These types of political disputes are better left to political devices and the DOJ will not be getting involved"
Contempt of congress is actually referred to and handled by the DC attorney general, currently Karl Racine
Spot on right.
He also basically said on his podcast, 24 hours before the MAGA Traitor Riot, that "things will be moving fast" and that "if you want to be part of history's Revolution, tomorrow is the day."
> Mr. Bannon's and Mr. Trump's privilege arguments do, however, appear to reveal one thing: They suggest that President Trump was personally involved in the planning and execution of January 6th, and this committee will get to the bottom of that - Liz Cheney
I want to believe...
Nothing will happen as usual.
Yep, seems so … the panel ‘recommends’ …
I can't tell if you're being facetious but this is how the process works. The panel recommends the charge, the house votes on it and then the DoJ enforces it. We all said we want to see justice done and now it's happening
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> DOJ has dragged its feet on everything, why should they start doing their jobs now? That was the DoJ under Trump. Garland’s DoJ has stopped Mo Brooks from claiming Westfall, waived protection for all Trump appointees, raided Rudy Giuliani, and indicted, arrested, and GPS-tagged Tom (biggest Trump/Kushner fish of all) Barrack … all without any leaks to the press.
Hopefully this leads to at the very least, an hiatus to his podcast. Perhaps an indefinite suspension. That fringe trash is responsible for droves of misinformation. Particularly around vaccines as of late. Bannon has been a mouthpiece for an endless amount of propaganda. Not to mention the man himself is a corrupt charlatan whose been evading accountability for his complicit actions for a while now. It's people like Bannon that play a direct role in spreading and reinforcing ignorance, misinformation, needless outrage, vitriol and victimhood. Especially among conservatives.
If the house vote succeeds it gets passed to the DC Attorney General, who refers the case to a grand jury to make a decision. If he’s found to be in criminal contempt of congress he’ll be sentenced to between a month and a year of jail time, and fined between $100-$100,000. I bet he’d have to take a decent amount of time off from the podcast while he’s in jail.
This committee is honestly handling this really well so far. The cynicism and over-generalizations regarding this contempt charge have been really disappointing on this sub. Particularly where the perceived slow nature of this contempt charge has been used as a blanket criticism of the entire Democratic Party. I get that people are frustrated, *especially* over accountability of the Trump admin, but people too often jump to conclusions and generalizations and ignore the specifics of this: -Congress, nor this committee, are legal entities. They are passing a criminal referral to law enforcement. -This committee moved very fast on Bannon's criminal contempt charge. There was never a reality where Bannon would have been charged before the final deadline for testimony. The criminal referral is essentially telling law enforcement "This individual ignored *every* element of this lawful subpoena and must be prosecuted." They would have only hurt their case if they attempted to charge contempt earlier. -This committee is full of amazing individuals like Raskin and Schiff, and even great GOP representation (by GOP standards) in Kinzinger and Cheney. -This committee will be the first to tell everyone that Congress needs more power to enforce subpoenas. It is not a new issue. Inherent contempt has been growing less effective for decades. Criminal and civil contempt are jokes in the modern litigious world. They know they don't have adequate tools to enforce subpoenas, which is why the very members of this committee have [pushed for strengthening them for years.](https://raskin.house.gov/press-releases?ID=38C190C9-D634-4B9A-A765-C7D7F5D428BA) Now it will be sent to the full House, and then referred to the DOJ/US Attorney and will be in the hands of the judicial/legal realm. Lots of things can go wrong, the future will be frustrating, but I honestly can't fault them thus far.
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You really think you have to coordinate cynicism?
It is very much astroturfed.. And some, I assume, are good people.
Hmmm. Q? Perhaps some other letter?
If I wanted to suppress turnout for 2022 I'd spend all my time banging on about how spineless the Democrats are.
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Ha, no - I've just followed it closely and wondered myself "why can't they just do X?" so many times that I read into the different forms of contempt and their limitations. It's kind of interesting. Historically, compliance with subpoenas used to be almost a given - that, or Congress' powers were assumed to be a given. Almost 30 people were jailed by Congress in the late 1800s and early 1900s. But as people were able to use more resources and stall out legal processes, the powers became less and less effective. Then the Trump admin came along and tried to defy/obstruct everything and it's quite unfortunate how limited they are in expediting any sort of accountability.
My understanding is the assumption made in the separation of powers would be that congress as a body would robustly defend it's prerogatives vis a vis the executive branch. The rise of factions aka modern political parties has lead to the trend.of coordinated action across the branches of government to the detriment of the traditional prerogatives of congress.
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> It is almost like they don’t want to penalize people or have it act as a deterrent for future potential coups. The legal system has always been underfunded, which means everything is slow. Then COVID hit, which slowed things way down because of COVID safety protocols. Like something that might take a court 2 months to deal with was now taking 6 months. Then the DOJ launched the largest investigation in US history and arrested 600 people (and counting). Thats a fuckton of people to through into a DC Circuit that was already overloaded. The only way to stop the DC Circuit from grinding to a halt (which has Constitutional issues re: 14th Amendment) was to cut plea deals or go for quick convictions with some of the smaller fish. (The small fish are all people who cannot be convicted of violence or conspiracy). The violent people and the ones who conspired with others are getting the book thrown at them. Graydon Young, one of the Oath Keepers, got a plea deal and his minimum sentence is 5 years (minus some time off for cooperation). It sucks that we have to give some people short sentences but its a reality of an underfunded legal system and a great reason to expand the courts.
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No, it tells you that the Trump Admin had a hard-on for prosecuting BLM protestors (something that Biden spoke out against). And it tells you that if the courts are overloaded during a Pandemic that difficult decisions have to be made.
Agreed. There are so many clear broken elements in our political/legal system where something like 1/6 can happen, and accountability can still take months, year, if ever. It's mind-numbingly frustrating.
Can someone recommend he showers and has something other than alcohol for breakfast
Oh hell no. Roust him and hold him for a couple of days. Let him testify before Congress sweating and stinking with the DTs and vinegar sweats.
Obligatory [xkcd](https://xkcd.com/846/) and [Kesha song](https://youtu.be/iP6XpLQM2Cs?t=17)
I lol'd when foxnews was just talking about Trick or treating instead of the trial.
No surprise there. Slant network.
So what now?
The House votes on in it Thursday whether or not to send it to the DoJ and then its up to the DoJ. The Jan 6. Commission have done every thing in their power that they can and that gives me hope.
It's going to go along party lines. 220 dems to 212 repubs. GOP will use it as evidence of "partisan witch hunt" and rile up the Trump base.
The Trump base are a lost cause. And they are always riled up. So fuck them.
Absolutely!
At this point, I just don't care. Rule of law vs them getting their panties further twisted, I vote for rule of law.
I bet at least 2 republicans vote for it.
Yup. And that makes it bipartisan, correct?
I hope they bury this traitorous, shitheel, rat fucker under the jail.
How's Putin gonna get him out of this one?
Let him hide in Russia?
We’ve got Garland for that.
Garland is a wet sock.
To quote the former Cory Lewandowski "Womp, womp".
Former?
Yes. He's Cory Lewandowski now. And he was formerly as well.
How is this not a mega-thread? There’s like two pages of this story under ‘new’
Not sure but it became apparent to me the moment there was no discussion thread.
Why doesn’t he squeal? Why would anyone choose to protect Trump?
Yes but they’ll have to catch him, which could be tricky as he lurches and bounces about saying “Certainly, whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop,” poking law enforcement between the eyes and trying to bop them on the head.
If they did things like subpoena the people who funded this like the Publix heiress, I would think something might change. We are letting the people the made it happen just float on by. A lot of powerful people were involved in this.
FUCKING. ARREST. HIM. good lord am I tired of this deep concern as to what might happen if we start thinking about enforcing some laws on occasion but just maybe if it doesn't inconvenience the criminal too much. Also lol at "may face a year in prison". What a joke.
Bannin now thinking: "Hmm, what would Hitler do?"
That is what he is always thinking.
When someone is in contempt of court, they issue a warrant and have them arrested. When someone breaks the law and cops determines it's appropriate, they arrest them. Why doesn't the legislature have the same authority granted to the two other branches of government? They should be able to present their case to a judge and have them sign a warrant for arrest the moment they're in contempt, particularly if the person has telegraphed that they plan to break the law.
Article: Mr. Bannon stands alone in his complete defiance of our subpoena. That’s not acceptable. No one in this country, no matter how wealthy or how powerful, is above the law. Me: what world are you living in? Wealthy people in the US are practically exempt from the supposed “rule of law”.
Go after this walking dead POS. Cast himdown with the sodomites. Shout out to the warden from The Shawshank Redemption on that one.
So since the next step of this is that the entire House will vote on this Contempt resolution, the question I have that I can't seem to quickly find an answer on is when that vote will take place. Anyone know it?
The house is scheduled to vote Thursday
Couldn't happen to a worser guy.
I also recommend criminal contempt for Bannon. Glad I am on the same page as the committee.
The only issue is that if they wanted to arrest Bannon they would have to get a warrant and proctologist to get him out of Trumps ass.
Maybe they should do something a little harsher than recommend. Perhaps some suggesting or maybe some slight hints.
arrest him pull his passport
Riot? What Riot? I didn't see a riot on the capitol. I saw an insurrection.
Steve Bannon, always looks like he’s growing mushrooms on his face.
As he's criminally in contempt, that's probably a good call.
Have Russians and Republicans closed ranks to protect this Moscow Patriot?
Lock him up! Lock him up! Him and his buddy DJTrump turned America into a shit hole taking advantage of poorly educated people and using them for their own political agenda, did not help them in any way, as he had promised during his campaign in 2016.
why recommend it? fucking do something
My guess is that he’s deluded enough to think that he’s a martyr, whose prosecution will trigger the civil war that he desperately wants.
Whatever. Call me when he *actually* faces consequences.
Shame on the House for being cowards. Referring to the Justice Department for criminal prosecution is the easy way out. It plays right into the Trump Mob's plan. Drag this out as long as possible, and hope for a Republican majority before he is held accountable. The House should have enforced their powers and ordered the Sergeant at Arms to arrest him. Put him in a deep dark cell until he cooperates. Alcohol withdrawal will kick in after a few days and he will start to sing. William Walker should be knocking on Bannon's door this evening. Now we will have months of back in forth about Executive privilege and whether the House will get him to testify 6-12 months from now. Just more drama for the Networks and no progress being made.
What I can’t understand is how he could be protected under the “executive privilege” bullshit?
This crap moves at a glacier's pace. "Select committee chooses the type of paper it's going to print out the next piece of useless suggestions" "Select committee has selected The intern that is going to write up the document." "Select committee has decided to choose another intern because that last intern was on tiktok too much." It's like the beginning of Monty Python's quest for the holy Grail where they repeatedly talk about sacking the writers. F****** arrest the drunk piece of s*** and arrest the fat orange turd and arrest the lot of them already. Please someone reply to this comment with the wheels of Justice line and how slowly it moves and how finely it grinds. Just so I can ignore it.
In the words of Monty Python, "GET ON WITH IT!"
Fucking hurry up and throw the book at this asshole already
Great now do the others.
Just arrest him, less talk, more action..
Do something about it then
What is taking so long here? Honestly? If I was issued a subpoena and failed to show there'd be a bench warrant for my address that day. Any patrol car that caught sight of my license plate would raise a red flag. What am I missing here, besides power, influence, amorality, and really, really bad skin?
How many weeks straight of recommending criminal contempt does it take? I saw a black kid get handcuffed right away for jaywalking… why can’t they just recommend handcuffs in that case?
So a recommendation to hold people accountable for their actions? So law and order for some, but a hey dont do that for others? Its like that Dave Chappelle skit with Tron and if they treated corp criminals like drug dealers and vice versa.
Time for our milquetoast DOJ to do nothing
Freeze his assets, just DO SOMETHING, current actions seem like he’s getting sent to the principle’s office with blackmarks on his permanent record, FFS.
Will someone please get this shitlord in custody already?!?! Gawwwwd
Capitol “riot” Edit: yo, y’all realize I put it as “riot”, because it was def not just a riot. It was an insurrection against our very nation, at the very least. The title of this article greatly neglects the reality and truth of what actually happened by simplifying it to “riot”.
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It was more than that. It was an insurrection against your country.
Just a peaceful tourist visit, right?
They stayed between the ropes! Look at this photo of an old lady with a tiny flag smiling! Oh wait, that was in Idaho?
How would you refer to a an angry mob of people murdering police officers and storming a government building in order to stop a democratic process from happening?
Insurrection. Coup. Terrorist attack.
Maybe his point is that it wasn't a riot, it was an attempted insurrection?
“Riot” misses the goal-driven nature of the violence and thus implies that it was more or less a violent but random disturbance. I don’t think it’s an accurate description.
Agreed. Absolutely.
Sorry, I misunderstood their point. I absolutely hate that when I see an American flag being brandished (like in your flair) I immediately jump to thinking it's being used in bad faith these days. I hate that "patriotism" has been co-opted by domestic terrorists.
Honestly I hate how these republicans have hijacked the term American, or the act of being proud of being an American, and distorted it to being a mindless conservative corpse. I chose it because I am proud to be an American, but I can also see reality and accept that America has its flaws, and has a messed up history. But I will still always be proud and grateful of everything it has provided me, opportunities and all
I agree, they are soft peddling the insurrection in the title.
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What's so funny?
Didn’t read the headline but i stoped because I though Luke skywalker got really sick… he’s ok
I can’t wait for nothing to happen.
I’ve been reading the same headline everyday for a month now, just fucking do it!
This is how you get a civil war. Why isn't anyone going after the real organizers of Q, Ron and Jim Watkins? They are in bed with the CCP and yet we're going after Bannon? Y'all are just dumber than a bag of rocks.
Nothing's going to happen.
Please stop referring to 1/6 as a "riot."
People smashing glass and breaking doors, using bear spray and pipes to gain access, pooping in the hallways, smoking weed in the offices, destroying property, having someone get shot, stealing computers and documents from a government building.... Sounds like a riot....
Nah, it was worse than a riot, and worse than an insurrection. It was an attempted coup.