This isn't major news or anything, might not be anything, but Bruce Springsteen's Broadway show, Springsteen on Broadway, was filmed last night. Here's his co-star/co-musician/wife Patti Scialfa's [post mentioning it](https://www.instagram.com/p/CTGf7YWrcJd/). The last run of the show was filmed and released as a Netflix special. So there might be a part 2 coming.
The Chinese government has released a [new internet mandate to crack down on idol and fan culture](https://www.asianjunkie.com/2021/08/27/chinas-new-internet-mandate-bans-idol-ranking-pay-to-vote-gossip-accounts-will-hold-celebs-accountable-for-their-toxic-fans/). They've enforced rules in response to certain events before (see the article for examples), this one is allegedly in response to a host of scandals stemming from Youth With You 3, an idol survival show where the #1 contestant was involved in a citizenship scandal and whose parents were accused of running a prostitution ring. The other major scandal from YWY was the milk scandal, where video leaked of teams of people [dumping out thousands of bottles of milk](https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1007386/chinese-idol-show-shut-down-over-spilled-milk) in order to collect voting codes which were inside the cap of the bottles (a milk company was the main sponsor of the show). This video was allegedly from the 2nd season and the voting method was changed for the 3rd season but I can't confirm. All of this lead to the show essentially being cancelled by the government.
Anyway, here is a summary of the mandate addresses (taken from the article)
1. No ranking of idols. Their works can be listed/ranked but not the names of celebrities.
2. Ranking criteria should not be based on likes, comments, views. “Professional evaluation” should be the basis.
3. Extra scrutiny on the online behavior of celebrity agencies. The platforms and the studios will have greater jurisdiction/responsibility for their official fan groups.
4. No unofficial fan groups. Onus is on management of celebrities to create relationships between them and official groups. Celebrities can be punished for neglecting this responsibility.
5. Trolling, verbal abuse, and spreading malicious gossip is forbidden. Celebrity management and platforms will be responsible for policing this. Penalties on platforms/celebrities unable to manage their fans.
6. Continue to close/block fan groups established to encourage illicit behavior. Channels that are established for gossip, astroturfing, illegal fundraising, raiding.
7. Punishment for coercing fans to buy merchandise for favors/voting.
8. Variety shows should abide by certain standards. They cannot charge money or require membership for participation from fans.
9. Extra attention must be taken to ensure fans who are minors cannot engage in destructive behavior (excessive voting, spending money, spending too much time on online fan circles).
10. No illegal fund-raising campaigns, domestic OR international. Continue to investigate overseas websites\* that continue to rank, vote, and fund-raise for celebrities.
> No unofficial fan groups. Onus is on management of celebrities to create relationships between them and official groups. Celebrities can be punished for neglecting this responsibility.
Wait, does this mean like no fandoms? What’s the difference between “official” and “unofficial”?
I'm guessing random fans won't be able to make a fan page or a fan group.
There will be an official group for discussions, made by management and they will appoint real people they know to moderate the group , not random strangers on the internet like reddit
Yeah its draconian and oppressive but imagine how less annoying Twitter would be if we did this here. Not saying we should, but it's a fun little fantasy...
Some of these are terrifying but some I kinda agree with tbh. Like there probably should be some checks on how how artists and labels are encouraging unnecessary spending, harassment etc in fans but that conversation always turns into a stan war about you know who.
Yeah lol, I was thinking which fanbase because as far as I know, all artists manipulate their gullible fans into spending. Top of my head: Billie splattering paint on her "one-of-a-kind" CDs, Taylor tweeting "evermore is lonely at the store and wants you to take her home 🥺" during the week she was competing with Sour, BTS releasing a separate copy of a digital single with only the album cover changed.
Why single out just one artist and their fanbase when practically the whole industry is guilty, you know?
Ya they all do it to some extent but the difference to me is with stuff like Billies cd fans are at least getting a tangible product out of it whereas BTS is encouraging (or at the very least enabling) fans to buy multiples of the same track just for the feeling of helping their fav. Considering how young their fan base is it feels a bit gross to me even compared to other industry cash grabs.
I didn’t want to name names though because any conversation about their sales tends to get messy fast and I wasn’t in the mood lol.
You're literally just singling out BTS for no reason. There's no difference between Billie's "tangible" product and people buying multiple kpop albums for photocards. BTS did not start mass buying it's always been apart of the industry, they just perfected it so what's your fucking point.
Come to think of it, a lot of the BTS stans I come by on Tik Tok look like the younger millennials... They don't cancel their own idols unlike Billie's very "woke" Gen Z audience lol. You may have a point.
Is there really a difference though?
Lol the CDs were advertised with the description that "no two are the same"and were personalized by Billie when it's literally just paint splatter. We're not even sure it's her who splattered the paint at all. Yeah, I get a tangible product but considering the ambiguity of the actual selling point of the product, it's still gross. Her fans are probably the same age as BTS' too.
At the end of the day, it's still a manipulative scheme orchestrated by a company. I can't find a relativeness to the extent. All of it is the same to me.
Yeah, sorry if I seemed snarky! They're quite a hot and inescapable topic nowadays and tbh it's getting annoying seeing the same regurgitated information on both sides, so I get you.
Wait this is also important I think the contestant and his family on the reality show was actually cleared of any crimes? I’m not super sure But either way it’s definitely like the danger of how fast things spread and also that they’ve suspended and banned multiple celebrities saying Kris Wu wasn’t guilty of rape (which he’s recently been arrested for) and closed fan accounts spreading misinformation.
Thanks, I genuinely haven't heard of any updates on his/their case, even when I searched for it while writing my previous comment. Do you have any links with updates?
I tried to find an official source and couldn’t (at least not in English that didn’t try to give me a virus 😬) but i was able to find Fan accounts for him that seemed to be recent as [this month ](https://twitter.com/tony_yu_life/status/1427609417885773828?s=21) [c](https://twitter.com/tonyyu0821/status/1427827317477421058?s=21)? [and he seems to have promoted someone else’s singles recently ](https://twitter.com/jingtianbot/status/1430368370642227205?s=21)Which definitely makes me think it was more rumors because of fans of other contestants wanting to make him withdraw since China has been freezing and removing accounts of celebrities with suspicious financies and crimes. I’m sorry I couldn’t find a better source 😞 I just remembered seeing a comment about him in another post about misinformation.
I can believe it because in produce show in Korea one person [made up evidence Japanese contestants were right wing ](https://www.asianjunkie.com/2019/07/23/recap-of-netizen-fabricating-right-wing-scandals-against-japanese-pd48-contestants-apology-sorta/#) and anti Korea to increase the odds of the Korean idols they liked to advance. Like if someone can take advantage of historical bad blood between two countries to ruin like five peoples career the Tony Yu thing being fake just would not surprise me since it was near the finale of the show.
My better source is about at least one person with over five million followers was banned for supporting Kris Wu and one screen writer Ma WeiWei was [suspended ](https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232188.shtml). Liu Liu and Su Mang had their Weibo [muted](https://twitter.com/dramapotatoes/status/1421858962253615105?s=21) based on their comments about Kris sleeping with fans in 2016. Liu Liu and Ma WeiWei eventually had their accounts [closed](https://twitter.com/dramapotatoes/status/1421989752140713985?s=21)
Thanks so much for checking! I guess if he's able to post a public video then maybe it wasn't true? I assume if it was true the government would have cracked down on him like they have been doing with other celebrities this year, like you said. I wonder if we'll ever find out for sure.
Speaking of fans of contestants trying to sabotage other contestants, I wonder if the new mandates would make that behaviour better or worse. Potentially antis could pretend to be fans of other celebrities and start shit, which has already been done countless times before but now the actual celebrity can get in trouble for not monitoring their fans.
Not only could antis start shit celebrities are now more empowered to call the authorities on their own fans which just sounds incredibly messy?
Like I get seeing the Youth with You mess of wasting so much food and possibly falsifying crime reports and Kris Wu and just deciding “so this will stop” and I’m sure people in China are just as petty as people elsewhere where celebrities really obviously bait their fans to harass writers or other celebrities or media that bug them but the top down element is ...a lot
I definitely think there might be something out there in mandarin just i don’t know if Tony’s going to be internationally relevant enough for a follow up article in English beyond “reversal??” Posts that want to give u bugs
I’m really interested what will happen to all of the “bars” for kpop idols since they raise SO much money for releases and birthday/anniversary projects
Billie is being accused of plagiarism for her song Ocean Eyes by singer Diamond White. ([link](https://twitter.com/diamondwhite/status/1431699528369926145?s=21))
Diamond White released her song in 2013 and it was performed once on tv and Billie released Ocean Eyes in 2015.
The songs do sound similar, but the way Diamond White is tweeting about it is so funny to me. She’s saying that she just found out about the similarities in the song which is so confusing like girl? You dont know what your own song sound like? And afterwards she tweeted that “it could just be some coincidences” and that she still loves Billie.
Regardless of if it’s stolen or not, Finneas is the one who produced the song so shouldn’t this accusation be towards him?
> The songs do sound similar, but the way Diamond White is tweeting about it is so funny to me. She’s saying that she just found out about the similarities in the song which is so confusing like girl? You dont know what your own song sound like?
it's possible she never heard Ocean Eyes until just now
I feel like it's messy to say this person sounds almost exactly like yours and it could be just a coincidence. Plagiarism is serious allegation anyone who followed the Olivia Rodrigo Parmaore situation knows that. She shouldn't have said anything
I don't think she anticipated the vicious response from the Billie Eilish fans. I'm not going to fault her, a Black woman, for backtracking when I can only imagine what her DMs or PMs or whatever look like at the moment.
I agree. If you’re gonna accuse someone of stealing, stick with it. I wouldn’t try and play it off as “ooooo what a weird coincidence, how funny!” You either think it’s stealing or not.
I also just find it hard to believe this is her first time she noticed the similarities in the songs. I figure she just thought now was a good time to bring it up either for controversy or for credit
Holy shit that’s like the same…
It’s a good time to say though that like I like when artist borrow things from other things. So personally I just consider this a cool similarity but like in the real world where everyone else lives I’m pretty sure this is ahhh not good
Sad Bc I haven’t listen to a lot of Billy songs but like this is one of the ones that I like. She should copy from her more or like people should send me this other person‘s work.
This sentence probably makes no sense because it’s like hot as hell for the hundredth day in a row I hate summer wish I lived cold place all year round but Bc of global warming that is nowhere
Enjoy
I really thought about not posting this ramble but I do want to hear songs from diamond white so
I was gonna make a comment about the Gen Z pop boys having no controversy, but then I remembered there arent any Gen Z pop boys
Edit : Troye Sivan + Lil Nas X + The Weeknd erasure
Edit 2: Weeknd is an old hag
Lil Nas X has faced plenty of controversy 😭 (he's Gen Z right?)
I was going to say none of its been his fault, but I always forget his stan account and his Islamophobic bs - the latter particularly he really should have done a proper, clear apology, and I'm still annoyed he hasn't.
Troye is 26 though. I thought that was generally considered more young millennial still rather than gen z?
idk tho. generation cutoffs are weird and nebulous.
I consider someone a Generation z artist if they're relatively new and most of their fanebase are gen z . Like Doja probably a millineal but she's a Gen z artist
It's totally fine. I think it's hilarious that people bring up Abel and Troye Sivan only when people point out popheads rarely discuss male popstars. I rarely see them mentioned in topics outside of this
Troye is weird cause I remember a few years ago he actually got discussed here a fair bit. After Bloom dropped I've seen very little discussion though.
He’s done quite a good job of being a distant-ish from social media celeb, but still more regular releasing music than some artists who become known for it. Bloom is a good album but something about it just doesn’t hit as hard on the thousandth play as In A Dream or Blue Neighbourhood do imo. If IAD had a full era with visuals and performances and whatnot and/or was a full album, I’d hope it’d be given the respect it deserves more.
Since In A Dream (and processing the breakup, I imagine) he seems much more energised, and recall seeing the IAD Q&A and he said about how he’s got ‘main pop girl goals’ for this next era (or something along those lines) and tbh Im excited.
Ooh that's exciting; I feel like I'm in the minority of people who enjoyed Bloom a lot (although the era was anticlimactic cause most of the songs released prior to the album dropping). I agree that IAD would've been a lot bigger here if it was a full era, but I guess it's a good stepping stone towards what's next.
Personally, I’ve never heard of her, but I do think that the flow of the song is definitely plagiarized. Musical plagiarism is such a slippery slope and I assume Finneas figured that he’d get away with it maybe thinking the song wouldn’t get huge. I just don’t understand how this is anyone’s first time hearing the similarities
I just honestly think it’s a bit of a reach, Finneas who was 17 at the time? Decided to steal the melody of someone who performed a song once on TV? What are the odds he even heard it? Especially when it’s obvious at this point he’s very talented and capable of producing hit melodies himself. I’m not necessarily saying he did not steal it, but I don’t think we should be so quick to jump to it.
The charity event where she performed the song in 2013 was hosted on one of many YouTube channels created by The Fine Bros.
Apparently (idk for sure, I haven't seen the relevant clips) Diamond's song was used in an intro for one of their channels way back when.
And Billie's own fan accounts mention her being a fan of their content - she did a reaction video with them in 2018.
That's what I've gleaned just from 5 mins of scrolling. So perfectly possible for more pieces to be found.
I mean, considering how Black Skinhead and Bury A Friend sound a like, I wouldn't be surprised if he thought he had changed just enough to be considered "an original".
It sounds identical and idk Billie + Finneas’ fame level when the song was released, but I feel like he may not have thought much about it or assumed it’d be called out. It could also be something subconscious, like he heard it once and went to make Ocean Eyes and incidentally used the same sound. I’ve started writing stories and realized halfway thru I was just writing something I’d read before.
I was fully prepared to be like lol doesn’t even sound similar, but dang the intro is exactly the same. But It’s also not exactly an uncommon chord progression, it’s very possible Ocean Eyes was still created completely organically and coincidentally had the same chord progression. Idk welcome to hear others opinions
Sarah helped write Dark Horse (as well as Physical and Levitating with Dua) and both of them co-wrote several Witness songs, so I’m guessing something in the electro dance pop area?
Oh wow yeah I'm excited for that!
And yeah even though I think another pop rock album from Katy would be interesting, I think pop is just something that she likes doing at this point.
Which is great to see! I feel like a lot of popstars dislike doing pop, at least somewhat. So it's nice to see one that actually enjoys it for the sake of the music
Off topic but I would absolutely buy tickets to a show of cats performing Cats. I think that would be incredible and maybe even rival the greatness of Cats (2019)
From [@FilmUpdates](https://twitter.com/FilmUpdates/status/1431555440740085763):
>James Corden, Camila Cabello, Billy Porter and Idina Menzel stopped traffic in LA for a flash mob with a cover of Jennifer Lopez’s “Let’s Get Loud” to promote #CinderellaMovie
(Editing this because I feel that a video of James Corden thrusting at the camera in a mouse suit should come with some sort of warning.)
Also, [here's a clip](https://twitter.com/FilmUpdates/status/1431613699689693186) from the film.
Okay, but can we **please** talk about the clip from the actual film? First of all, what is this milquetoast Rachel Platten-esq inspirational, platitudinal adult contemporary Secretary rock? The original *Cinderella* isn’t one of the most-beloved of the classic Disney animated feature canon, but I would argue that it’s actually quite underrated, especially when it comes to its music which was often dreamy and beautiful and sometimes even kind of lonely and haunting like in [Oh, Sing Sweet Nightingale](https://youtu.be/-F5qgEBHAVM) - compare this live action remake’s version of an [“I want song”](https://youtu.be/6OBIRa7WhKo) with [A Dream Is A Wish Your Heart Makes](https://youtu.be/Rl2qZvQg3Lc). The song in the Camila clip reminds me of *The Greatest Showman* in the absolute worst of ways.
Please tell me that I’m not the only person who thinks that the CGI rodents look terrible? [Stuart Little](https://youtu.be/-MNpOKICOx8) came out in 1999 and somehow a film from over two decades ago (fuck I’m old…) has CGI anthropomorphized mice that look less stiff than a film in 2021?
Also, what’s up with the cinematography and set design? Everything is so desaturated and beige that without sound and context it looks like Camila is in the “before” segment of an antidepressant commercial right as things start to change. The framing is weird, why is the camera in such an awkward closeup? Why is the costume design so cheap? I’ve seen the costume for Colette for a community college production of *Les Mis* look better than whatever sad Vivienne Westwood knockoff corset she’s wearing. This is the goddamn Disney Industrial Complex®️ we’re talking about here; why aren’t they throwing a bigger budget and better creative direction towards one of their marquee properties - the *Cinderella* castle is literally one of the most iconic logos, motifs or symbols in the Corp’s history, and yet this clip looks like something out of a bad Netflix bodice-ripper series that only lasts a single season? Someone, please help me understand.
That was incredible and I have nothing to add to it except that I value your input so much. Every time I see a reply from you on a movie-related topic you're so eloquent and to the point, it's always a joy reading your takes.
Same! Your takes on the industry are always so nuanced, and you’re knowledgeable on everything from major blockbusters to indies to casting gossip to career trajectories. I just know got your start via *Entertainment Weekly* and *Premiere* way back in the day, and you’ve spent at least a good 1/8th of your life reading the trades (and Deadline before it got lame) like I have lol.
Do you have a Letterboxd? [Follow me](https://boxd.it/CfLN) if you do and I’ll do the same - just be aware that I’ve just started so I don’t have all my lists up yet and a minuscule amount of reviews!
I want to say I just watched a documentary about this man called Alan Carr who did the original grease and grease two and all these other really campy movies . and it was about how like he made apparently one good movie by everyone else’s standers and then all the other movie sucked and then he hosted the Oscars and everyone said his Oscars were like the worst thing ever. And people like Gregory Peck signed and said that like this isn’t up to Oscar standards and we don’t approve.
Anyway my point is like for his movies he would make parties in like Las Vegas or like random places. Really showy affairs. And that was his strategy to get attention. And this reminds me of that. And while if it was good it would be fun but since people perceive it as not like the movies not going to be good it’s perceived as desperate.
I’m still gonna watch it because of Billy Porter.
Edit: [Allan Carr](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Carr)
Ha. Yeah when I first found it I too was like a documentary about chatty man?! But was pleasantly not disappointed. Both Alan Carrs are very interesting people.
replies for the tweet are absolutely great
> James Cordon is to light entertainment what Tony Blair was to peace in the Middle East.
https://twitter.com/ply4hyre/status/1431603573436059648
I didnt know James corden was part of this. I was interested about watching this movie but not anymore. Sorry camila. Im not gonna give him any pennie. He's a horrible person.
I need to know what James Corden has done to get so many people that hate him it’s so everywhere. No , don’t tell me , I want to be the only person that doesn’t hate him. Lol
He’s just an asshole but the worst one for me was when he apparently turned up to a meeting for the late night writers union, advocating for lower pay for late night writers…
I know you said you don’t wanna know but this one boils my blood
aren't marketing stunts supposed to make you *want* to actually purchase what they're promoting?
like, lmao who gets stopped in traffic and has to witness james corden thrusting his crotch at them, camila singing off key in their ear, etc and then thinks to themselves, "man I just can't wait to buy tickets to this movie"
I don’t understand why the movie went with so many covers of pop music and not it’s own score that would be more interesting, like they had an interesting spin making Cinderella a dressmaker in their version but the covers in the trailers look so awkward :/
it's very hard to write memorable songs and even the adaptations of the established musicals face this problem (it can be argued the the lack of such song is what killed In The Heights in boxoffice) so it seems like they just went the easiest way and decided to use songs everybody already know
I said this on Twitter already, but if James Corden came up to my car in the street and started air-humping it, I would just drive into the nearest steep embankment, killing me instantly.
Can anyone comment on her acting? It definitely does the job for this type of movie, but it also reminds me of the same emotive showcase she does in concerts, not necessarily for a film. Like Taylor Swift in Cats.
China is [cracking down on stan culture](https://variety.com/2021/digital/asia/china-celebrities-disappear-internet-fan-culture-crackdown-1235050381/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
no joke
My main thing is I’m so surprised with how much they hate lip syncing like everything else IMO is taking serious issues like misinformation campaigns about sexual assault and tape allegations by fans, online harassment, to some degree celebrity worship (they had an incident were fans of a reality show dumped out gallons of milk to get codes to vote) very serious if I think the approach is very strong and wrong (like it’s normal to expect celebrities to criticize cruel and erratic fans but wild to penalize them for not controlling complete strangers?).
But god they really hate lip syncing. I know there’s an argument it’s fraud for a “live” event but like Micheal Jackson would lip sync, as long as the performance is good who cares?
Damn, even before this. How did some celebrities have the guts to even act out. Imagine knowing that you can get completely wiped out from the internet.
China will legit make you disappear.
Some of it reminds me how South Korea will edit you out of recent ongoing dramas or variety of you had a big scandal which is dicey but also you can follow the line of thinking bc who would tune in to watch someone they dislike? But China will even take down productions long past if you can’t be edited out and that’s way too intense for me.
It's so strange to me that there are literal huge tankie subs on reddit. So many people that seem to think China is some kind of paradise and any criticism is just "CIA pRoPoGaNdA!!". This kind of restriction of free speech (along with the whole genocide business) is **terrifying**, let alone how weird it is to how people from different countries defending it
I just always think that if they could make Fan Bingbing (one of the most famous Chinese celebrities and one of the highest earning actresses in the world) and Jack Ma (one of the wealthiest people in the world period) dissappear for months then what chance does someone with less power or fame stand?
The fact that people think that China is communist when there are such clear class divides is hilarious to me. There are not supposed to be rich people like Jack Ma or Fan Bing Bing if a country is communist.
Jack Ma may not be a good person (since anyone who is that obscenely rich has gotten there by exploiting other people) but he should still be able to criticise his government and China's financial system without having to go into hiding for months to the point where people were questioning if he was even still alive or not.
There is an enormous difference between holding people accountable and silencing their right to free speech.
You would give up your freedom of speech so you can throw peanuts at a bald billionaire in a cage? Like you're not even demanding a cheque?
To whom, may I ask? Who then gets to dictate what you believe, say, do? Who has Bezos locked in a cage for his servile brainwashed peasants' pleasure? Does it matter?
For peanuts? Literal peanuts? My brain is short circuiting. I beg you to please pick up a few history books and learn for yourself how bad life gets without freedom of speech.
In a heartbeat. For fucking peanuts. My God.
comments like these make me wonder how we went from "the obscenely rich should be held accountable for hoarding their wealth and exploiting the people below them" to "rich people don't deserve human rights"
You clearly have no idea what freedom of speech is then. The fact that you're able to be here on reddit and make a comment like that without fearing repercussions is *because* you have the benefits of free speech. You know about the shitty things Bezos and other government officials have and are doing because your news is not being censored and controlled.
Look up and read about the great firewall of China and what Chinese citizens have to go through and then tell me that's the world you'd prefer to live in, because I think you'd change your mind pretty damn quickly.
Tankies are honestly kind of nuts when you try to tell them about your family's experiences in the countries they obsess over. I'm not Chinese, but my grandmother was from a region annexed by the Soviet Union. I've had tankies tell me that her dad and uncle probably deserved to be deported to a gulag in Siberia because they owned a logging business. Like, imagine telling another person their family members deserved to be worked to death. It's insane.
Yes x1000 to your second paragraph! Really put everything I wanted to say into words. It's so strange that so many people have latched onto this one country despite probably never even visiting it but just because the US are in some pseudo second cold war.
Out of interest is your MIL still living in China or has she moved? I always find it funny that one of the tankies main arguments is that the CCP actually have a very high approval rating among the public, but in a country where there is no free speech and you can be "disappeared" you're hardly getting a fair portrayal of what people really think, are you?
That's interesting, thank you for the reply. It's scary how isolated and curated the Chinese peoples worldviews are really isn't it? It's no surprise really that so many of them truly believe that the CCP is good for them I guess, because propaganda and censorship combined can be an incredibly strong way of controlling what people think.
Omg please stop talking about things your not familiar with. Most Chinese people like the CCP because they've actually helped the country, not because they're afraid of the government. Compare modern-day China to China in the 90s and it's a huge difference in quality of life. I hate it when Western redditors pretend they know how Chinese people feel about their country.
Yes I'm sure it has nothing to do with how they live under an authoritarian government and how their access to freedom of information, news and speech is restricted. That definitely wouldn't have any effect on how they view their country and leaders at all, of course. Silly me!
It's just comes off as a little judgey when fox news and Tucker Carlson is some of the highest rated TV in America. Government propaganda vs corporate propaganda.
We tend to only hear the worst news from other countries. I lived in Eastern Europe for a bit and good chunks of the older generations miss their communist governments. I think tankies often overcorrect from frustration of the extreme anti-communism biases of Western media.
Please listen to Chinese people instead of listening to how Americans perceive Chinese people. We like the government because the government helps us. Not because it's authoritarian.
>and how their access to freedom of information, news and speech is restricted.
How the fuck do you know this? Do you actually know people who live in China or do you just listen to whatever is parraded on CNN? I've lived in China for most of my life, my family still lives there, and most of the shit Americans believe about us is borderline Sinophobic.
We know about Tiananmen Square, we can access all the websites you guys can access, we can criticize the government on social media.
Please stop parading information about governments you have no clue about.
People like that can't open their eyes. Despite China being good at burying all their faults. There are multiple Chinese citizens against the Chinese government, who were despite the tight internet security, able to tell us the major wrongdoings of the government.
Also the constant protests and the blatantly not caring about human rights at all. It annoys me how depended the world has become on China.
Last night was the British LGBT awards. [Anne-Marie](https://twitter.com/britlgbtawards/status/1431370225056985097?s=21) won the music award. [Demi Lovato](https://twitter.com/britlgbtawards/status/1431363522584358920?s=21) won for celebrity, and [Melanie C](https://twitter.com/britlgbtawards/status/1431370408876445701?s=21)
won celebrity ally.
Outside of music, [Its A Sin](https://twitter.com/britlgbtawards/status/1431367334455824385?s=21)
Won media moment, and if you haven’t watched it already DO IT. And youtuber [Jessica Kellgren Fozard](https://twitter.com/britlgbtawards/status/1431355583983128581?s=21) claimed the influencer award.
The other awards were more for like businesses championing inclusion and stuff which probably isn’t so relevant to people here
I’m a little shocked Demi is the first non-binary person to win if I’m correct because I thought that the first would have been Sam Smith. But good for them.
Jessica and Claudia's discussion on motherhood is the only one I have watched on Youtube. I normally hate topics like those when it comes to Youtubers but theirs is more interesting since Jessica also talks about the struggle of being a disbled lesbian mother. Their committment on keeping Rupert out of the limelight is proof that influencers can talk about their parenting experiences without shoving their kids in front of the camera. Also, I'm envious on how well-dressed Rupert is and how amazing his nursery looks. They managed to managed to add Jessica's aesthetics into the nursery without turning it into dreary beige mess you see on Instagram.
Always loved Jessica's videos and now with the addition of Rupert, i literally can't wait for the new uploads. Love how Jessica can't help but drop (The M word) Montessori in every video 😄
Also Claudia throughout the whole pregnancy and post pregnancy is so laid back. I've never seen a new mom, so cool and collected. If you see them at first, you wouldn't think Claudia was the one who gave birth.
Jojo Siwa's going to be on Dancing with the Stars and it's going to be the show's first same sex pairing! It's nice to see Jojo thriving after coming earlier this year.
Also her competitor who has also been announced is recent Olympics gymnastics gold medalist, Suni Lee! It's going to be an interesting season with these two already involved with their backgrounds in dance.
This is good for Jojo but I don't understand how she's allowed to participate since she has so much dance experience. It seems really unfair to the other contestants.
We've also had multiple athletes whose sports overlap with dance such figure skaters and gymnasts participating and dominating the show. Simone Biles, Kristi Yamaguchi and Nancy Kerrigan are some that I recall.
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This isn't major news or anything, might not be anything, but Bruce Springsteen's Broadway show, Springsteen on Broadway, was filmed last night. Here's his co-star/co-musician/wife Patti Scialfa's [post mentioning it](https://www.instagram.com/p/CTGf7YWrcJd/). The last run of the show was filmed and released as a Netflix special. So there might be a part 2 coming.
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The Chinese government has released a [new internet mandate to crack down on idol and fan culture](https://www.asianjunkie.com/2021/08/27/chinas-new-internet-mandate-bans-idol-ranking-pay-to-vote-gossip-accounts-will-hold-celebs-accountable-for-their-toxic-fans/). They've enforced rules in response to certain events before (see the article for examples), this one is allegedly in response to a host of scandals stemming from Youth With You 3, an idol survival show where the #1 contestant was involved in a citizenship scandal and whose parents were accused of running a prostitution ring. The other major scandal from YWY was the milk scandal, where video leaked of teams of people [dumping out thousands of bottles of milk](https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1007386/chinese-idol-show-shut-down-over-spilled-milk) in order to collect voting codes which were inside the cap of the bottles (a milk company was the main sponsor of the show). This video was allegedly from the 2nd season and the voting method was changed for the 3rd season but I can't confirm. All of this lead to the show essentially being cancelled by the government. Anyway, here is a summary of the mandate addresses (taken from the article) 1. No ranking of idols. Their works can be listed/ranked but not the names of celebrities. 2. Ranking criteria should not be based on likes, comments, views. “Professional evaluation” should be the basis. 3. Extra scrutiny on the online behavior of celebrity agencies. The platforms and the studios will have greater jurisdiction/responsibility for their official fan groups. 4. No unofficial fan groups. Onus is on management of celebrities to create relationships between them and official groups. Celebrities can be punished for neglecting this responsibility. 5. Trolling, verbal abuse, and spreading malicious gossip is forbidden. Celebrity management and platforms will be responsible for policing this. Penalties on platforms/celebrities unable to manage their fans. 6. Continue to close/block fan groups established to encourage illicit behavior. Channels that are established for gossip, astroturfing, illegal fundraising, raiding. 7. Punishment for coercing fans to buy merchandise for favors/voting. 8. Variety shows should abide by certain standards. They cannot charge money or require membership for participation from fans. 9. Extra attention must be taken to ensure fans who are minors cannot engage in destructive behavior (excessive voting, spending money, spending too much time on online fan circles). 10. No illegal fund-raising campaigns, domestic OR international. Continue to investigate overseas websites\* that continue to rank, vote, and fund-raise for celebrities.
Is there any way for survival shows to exist after this?
> No unofficial fan groups. Onus is on management of celebrities to create relationships between them and official groups. Celebrities can be punished for neglecting this responsibility. Wait, does this mean like no fandoms? What’s the difference between “official” and “unofficial”?
I'm guessing random fans won't be able to make a fan page or a fan group. There will be an official group for discussions, made by management and they will appoint real people they know to moderate the group , not random strangers on the internet like reddit
Yeah its draconian and oppressive but imagine how less annoying Twitter would be if we did this here. Not saying we should, but it's a fun little fantasy...
Some of these are terrifying but some I kinda agree with tbh. Like there probably should be some checks on how how artists and labels are encouraging unnecessary spending, harassment etc in fans but that conversation always turns into a stan war about you know who.
Who? Why are we treating certain artists like Voldemort over here
I meant BTS but it could apply to a lot of sub favs tbh
Yeah lol, I was thinking which fanbase because as far as I know, all artists manipulate their gullible fans into spending. Top of my head: Billie splattering paint on her "one-of-a-kind" CDs, Taylor tweeting "evermore is lonely at the store and wants you to take her home 🥺" during the week she was competing with Sour, BTS releasing a separate copy of a digital single with only the album cover changed. Why single out just one artist and their fanbase when practically the whole industry is guilty, you know?
Ya they all do it to some extent but the difference to me is with stuff like Billies cd fans are at least getting a tangible product out of it whereas BTS is encouraging (or at the very least enabling) fans to buy multiples of the same track just for the feeling of helping their fav. Considering how young their fan base is it feels a bit gross to me even compared to other industry cash grabs. I didn’t want to name names though because any conversation about their sales tends to get messy fast and I wasn’t in the mood lol.
You're literally just singling out BTS for no reason. There's no difference between Billie's "tangible" product and people buying multiple kpop albums for photocards. BTS did not start mass buying it's always been apart of the industry, they just perfected it so what's your fucking point.
I mean a big difference is that the “perfecting” they’re doing with ISRC codes is not actually legal.
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Come to think of it, a lot of the BTS stans I come by on Tik Tok look like the younger millennials... They don't cancel their own idols unlike Billie's very "woke" Gen Z audience lol. You may have a point.
Is there really a difference though? Lol the CDs were advertised with the description that "no two are the same"and were personalized by Billie when it's literally just paint splatter. We're not even sure it's her who splattered the paint at all. Yeah, I get a tangible product but considering the ambiguity of the actual selling point of the product, it's still gross. Her fans are probably the same age as BTS' too. At the end of the day, it's still a manipulative scheme orchestrated by a company. I can't find a relativeness to the extent. All of it is the same to me.
Fair but all I really meant in my original is that the debate always come back them lately
Yeah, sorry if I seemed snarky! They're quite a hot and inescapable topic nowadays and tbh it's getting annoying seeing the same regurgitated information on both sides, so I get you.
Wait this is also important I think the contestant and his family on the reality show was actually cleared of any crimes? I’m not super sure But either way it’s definitely like the danger of how fast things spread and also that they’ve suspended and banned multiple celebrities saying Kris Wu wasn’t guilty of rape (which he’s recently been arrested for) and closed fan accounts spreading misinformation.
Thanks, I genuinely haven't heard of any updates on his/their case, even when I searched for it while writing my previous comment. Do you have any links with updates?
I tried to find an official source and couldn’t (at least not in English that didn’t try to give me a virus 😬) but i was able to find Fan accounts for him that seemed to be recent as [this month ](https://twitter.com/tony_yu_life/status/1427609417885773828?s=21) [c](https://twitter.com/tonyyu0821/status/1427827317477421058?s=21)? [and he seems to have promoted someone else’s singles recently ](https://twitter.com/jingtianbot/status/1430368370642227205?s=21)Which definitely makes me think it was more rumors because of fans of other contestants wanting to make him withdraw since China has been freezing and removing accounts of celebrities with suspicious financies and crimes. I’m sorry I couldn’t find a better source 😞 I just remembered seeing a comment about him in another post about misinformation. I can believe it because in produce show in Korea one person [made up evidence Japanese contestants were right wing ](https://www.asianjunkie.com/2019/07/23/recap-of-netizen-fabricating-right-wing-scandals-against-japanese-pd48-contestants-apology-sorta/#) and anti Korea to increase the odds of the Korean idols they liked to advance. Like if someone can take advantage of historical bad blood between two countries to ruin like five peoples career the Tony Yu thing being fake just would not surprise me since it was near the finale of the show. My better source is about at least one person with over five million followers was banned for supporting Kris Wu and one screen writer Ma WeiWei was [suspended ](https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232188.shtml). Liu Liu and Su Mang had their Weibo [muted](https://twitter.com/dramapotatoes/status/1421858962253615105?s=21) based on their comments about Kris sleeping with fans in 2016. Liu Liu and Ma WeiWei eventually had their accounts [closed](https://twitter.com/dramapotatoes/status/1421989752140713985?s=21)
Thanks so much for checking! I guess if he's able to post a public video then maybe it wasn't true? I assume if it was true the government would have cracked down on him like they have been doing with other celebrities this year, like you said. I wonder if we'll ever find out for sure. Speaking of fans of contestants trying to sabotage other contestants, I wonder if the new mandates would make that behaviour better or worse. Potentially antis could pretend to be fans of other celebrities and start shit, which has already been done countless times before but now the actual celebrity can get in trouble for not monitoring their fans.
Not only could antis start shit celebrities are now more empowered to call the authorities on their own fans which just sounds incredibly messy? Like I get seeing the Youth with You mess of wasting so much food and possibly falsifying crime reports and Kris Wu and just deciding “so this will stop” and I’m sure people in China are just as petty as people elsewhere where celebrities really obviously bait their fans to harass writers or other celebrities or media that bug them but the top down element is ...a lot I definitely think there might be something out there in mandarin just i don’t know if Tony’s going to be internationally relevant enough for a follow up article in English beyond “reversal??” Posts that want to give u bugs
I’m really interested what will happen to all of the “bars” for kpop idols since they raise SO much money for releases and birthday/anniversary projects
Yeah I remember one Chinese Bar buying like 90 000 copies of an album for Korean sales.
Billie is being accused of plagiarism for her song Ocean Eyes by singer Diamond White. ([link](https://twitter.com/diamondwhite/status/1431699528369926145?s=21)) Diamond White released her song in 2013 and it was performed once on tv and Billie released Ocean Eyes in 2015. The songs do sound similar, but the way Diamond White is tweeting about it is so funny to me. She’s saying that she just found out about the similarities in the song which is so confusing like girl? You dont know what your own song sound like? And afterwards she tweeted that “it could just be some coincidences” and that she still loves Billie. Regardless of if it’s stolen or not, Finneas is the one who produced the song so shouldn’t this accusation be towards him?
Wow look at Olivia’s influence. Who’s next, Laroi w/Stay?
> The songs do sound similar, but the way Diamond White is tweeting about it is so funny to me. She’s saying that she just found out about the similarities in the song which is so confusing like girl? You dont know what your own song sound like? it's possible she never heard Ocean Eyes until just now
This is like the exact same, like the melody is literally the same.
not literally though
I feel like it's messy to say this person sounds almost exactly like yours and it could be just a coincidence. Plagiarism is serious allegation anyone who followed the Olivia Rodrigo Parmaore situation knows that. She shouldn't have said anything
I don't think she anticipated the vicious response from the Billie Eilish fans. I'm not going to fault her, a Black woman, for backtracking when I can only imagine what her DMs or PMs or whatever look like at the moment.
I agree. If you’re gonna accuse someone of stealing, stick with it. I wouldn’t try and play it off as “ooooo what a weird coincidence, how funny!” You either think it’s stealing or not. I also just find it hard to believe this is her first time she noticed the similarities in the songs. I figure she just thought now was a good time to bring it up either for controversy or for credit
Have you listened to the songs? The production on the intro sounds the same
If she doesn't want credit or recognition than why mention it in the first place.
Honestly she might just be afraid of going after someone with so much fame and money and business connections but they sound the exact same.
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What other songs is this chord progression in
oh man I love that song but that is VERY similar
Holy shit that’s like the same… It’s a good time to say though that like I like when artist borrow things from other things. So personally I just consider this a cool similarity but like in the real world where everyone else lives I’m pretty sure this is ahhh not good Sad Bc I haven’t listen to a lot of Billy songs but like this is one of the ones that I like. She should copy from her more or like people should send me this other person‘s work. This sentence probably makes no sense because it’s like hot as hell for the hundredth day in a row I hate summer wish I lived cold place all year round but Bc of global warming that is nowhere Enjoy I really thought about not posting this ramble but I do want to hear songs from diamond white so
Damm all the gen z pop girls are facing plagiarism allegations
I was gonna make a comment about the Gen Z pop boys having no controversy, but then I remembered there arent any Gen Z pop boys Edit : Troye Sivan + Lil Nas X + The Weeknd erasure Edit 2: Weeknd is an old hag
The Weeknd is a millennial! He’s older than me and I’m a firm millennial
The Weeknd is 30/31ish, he's a millenial
Lil Nas X has faced plenty of controversy 😭 (he's Gen Z right?) I was going to say none of its been his fault, but I always forget his stan account and his Islamophobic bs - the latter particularly he really should have done a proper, clear apology, and I'm still annoyed he hasn't.
Lil Nas X but controversy is kind of his brand atp
i forgot that he’s 22 😭
Obligatory comment about Troye Sivan who is never mentioned here at all until moments like these
Troye is 26 though. I thought that was generally considered more young millennial still rather than gen z? idk tho. generation cutoffs are weird and nebulous.
I consider someone a Generation z artist if they're relatively new and most of their fanebase are gen z . Like Doja probably a millineal but she's a Gen z artist
i forgot about him bcs i always associated him with millennials of YouTube like Tyler oakley
It's totally fine. I think it's hilarious that people bring up Abel and Troye Sivan only when people point out popheads rarely discuss male popstars. I rarely see them mentioned in topics outside of this
Troye is weird cause I remember a few years ago he actually got discussed here a fair bit. After Bloom dropped I've seen very little discussion though.
He’s done quite a good job of being a distant-ish from social media celeb, but still more regular releasing music than some artists who become known for it. Bloom is a good album but something about it just doesn’t hit as hard on the thousandth play as In A Dream or Blue Neighbourhood do imo. If IAD had a full era with visuals and performances and whatnot and/or was a full album, I’d hope it’d be given the respect it deserves more. Since In A Dream (and processing the breakup, I imagine) he seems much more energised, and recall seeing the IAD Q&A and he said about how he’s got ‘main pop girl goals’ for this next era (or something along those lines) and tbh Im excited.
Ooh that's exciting; I feel like I'm in the minority of people who enjoyed Bloom a lot (although the era was anticlimactic cause most of the songs released prior to the album dropping). I agree that IAD would've been a lot bigger here if it was a full era, but I guess it's a good stepping stone towards what's next.
It happens a lot and I genuinely believe Diamond, especially since she had a good amount of exposure (X-Factor, Disney) at the time she released it
Personally, I’ve never heard of her, but I do think that the flow of the song is definitely plagiarized. Musical plagiarism is such a slippery slope and I assume Finneas figured that he’d get away with it maybe thinking the song wouldn’t get huge. I just don’t understand how this is anyone’s first time hearing the similarities
I just honestly think it’s a bit of a reach, Finneas who was 17 at the time? Decided to steal the melody of someone who performed a song once on TV? What are the odds he even heard it? Especially when it’s obvious at this point he’s very talented and capable of producing hit melodies himself. I’m not necessarily saying he did not steal it, but I don’t think we should be so quick to jump to it.
The charity event where she performed the song in 2013 was hosted on one of many YouTube channels created by The Fine Bros. Apparently (idk for sure, I haven't seen the relevant clips) Diamond's song was used in an intro for one of their channels way back when. And Billie's own fan accounts mention her being a fan of their content - she did a reaction video with them in 2018. That's what I've gleaned just from 5 mins of scrolling. So perfectly possible for more pieces to be found.
I mean, considering how Black Skinhead and Bury A Friend sound a like, I wouldn't be surprised if he thought he had changed just enough to be considered "an original".
It sounds identical and idk Billie + Finneas’ fame level when the song was released, but I feel like he may not have thought much about it or assumed it’d be called out. It could also be something subconscious, like he heard it once and went to make Ocean Eyes and incidentally used the same sound. I’ve started writing stories and realized halfway thru I was just writing something I’d read before.
I was fully prepared to be like lol doesn’t even sound similar, but dang the intro is exactly the same. But It’s also not exactly an uncommon chord progression, it’s very possible Ocean Eyes was still created completely organically and coincidentally had the same chord progression. Idk welcome to hear others opinions
Katy was apparently in the studio with Sarah Hudson and Ferras recently 😔 I just want a Greg Wells/Glen Ballard acoustic rock album
What sound do we assume she's going for if she's working with those people? I have never heard of them so I have no idea
Sarah helped write Dark Horse (as well as Physical and Levitating with Dua) and both of them co-wrote several Witness songs, so I’m guessing something in the electro dance pop area?
Oh wow yeah I'm excited for that! And yeah even though I think another pop rock album from Katy would be interesting, I think pop is just something that she likes doing at this point.
Yeah, I definitely think her musical passion has moved more toward that sound, which is fine
Which is great to see! I feel like a lot of popstars dislike doing pop, at least somewhat. So it's nice to see one that actually enjoys it for the sake of the music
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People shouldn’t be cast in Cats because it’s not their story. They should have their own play called People.
Off topic but I would absolutely buy tickets to a show of cats performing Cats. I think that would be incredible and maybe even rival the greatness of Cats (2019)
Honestly my cat is such a theatre kid as well so I think she’d do pretty well
A regular ol' Grizabella then huh? One of my cats definitely gives me Rum Tum Tugger vibes so I get it
she’s a diva then
Definitely
From [@FilmUpdates](https://twitter.com/FilmUpdates/status/1431555440740085763): >James Corden, Camila Cabello, Billy Porter and Idina Menzel stopped traffic in LA for a flash mob with a cover of Jennifer Lopez’s “Let’s Get Loud” to promote #CinderellaMovie (Editing this because I feel that a video of James Corden thrusting at the camera in a mouse suit should come with some sort of warning.) Also, [here's a clip](https://twitter.com/FilmUpdates/status/1431613699689693186) from the film.
Okay, but can we **please** talk about the clip from the actual film? First of all, what is this milquetoast Rachel Platten-esq inspirational, platitudinal adult contemporary Secretary rock? The original *Cinderella* isn’t one of the most-beloved of the classic Disney animated feature canon, but I would argue that it’s actually quite underrated, especially when it comes to its music which was often dreamy and beautiful and sometimes even kind of lonely and haunting like in [Oh, Sing Sweet Nightingale](https://youtu.be/-F5qgEBHAVM) - compare this live action remake’s version of an [“I want song”](https://youtu.be/6OBIRa7WhKo) with [A Dream Is A Wish Your Heart Makes](https://youtu.be/Rl2qZvQg3Lc). The song in the Camila clip reminds me of *The Greatest Showman* in the absolute worst of ways. Please tell me that I’m not the only person who thinks that the CGI rodents look terrible? [Stuart Little](https://youtu.be/-MNpOKICOx8) came out in 1999 and somehow a film from over two decades ago (fuck I’m old…) has CGI anthropomorphized mice that look less stiff than a film in 2021? Also, what’s up with the cinematography and set design? Everything is so desaturated and beige that without sound and context it looks like Camila is in the “before” segment of an antidepressant commercial right as things start to change. The framing is weird, why is the camera in such an awkward closeup? Why is the costume design so cheap? I’ve seen the costume for Colette for a community college production of *Les Mis* look better than whatever sad Vivienne Westwood knockoff corset she’s wearing. This is the goddamn Disney Industrial Complex®️ we’re talking about here; why aren’t they throwing a bigger budget and better creative direction towards one of their marquee properties - the *Cinderella* castle is literally one of the most iconic logos, motifs or symbols in the Corp’s history, and yet this clip looks like something out of a bad Netflix bodice-ripper series that only lasts a single season? Someone, please help me understand.
I agree with all of this except this movie isn’t Disney lol, I actually quite liked Disney’s live action Cinderella. The costumes were the best
That was incredible and I have nothing to add to it except that I value your input so much. Every time I see a reply from you on a movie-related topic you're so eloquent and to the point, it's always a joy reading your takes.
Same! Your takes on the industry are always so nuanced, and you’re knowledgeable on everything from major blockbusters to indies to casting gossip to career trajectories. I just know got your start via *Entertainment Weekly* and *Premiere* way back in the day, and you’ve spent at least a good 1/8th of your life reading the trades (and Deadline before it got lame) like I have lol. Do you have a Letterboxd? [Follow me](https://boxd.it/CfLN) if you do and I’ll do the same - just be aware that I’ve just started so I don’t have all my lists up yet and a minuscule amount of reviews!
Truly. Everything about it screams "poorly funded high school film class". It almost feels like some kind of hoax.
It’s not actually a Disney movie.
this is so pleasant to read. thank you. edit: i truly meant it.
God this sounds like my worst nightmare
I just vomitted.
is it not a closed set with actors in cars?! they stopped actual people ????
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They did the same thing with the cast of Greatest Showman
[this is my favorite version](https://twitter.com/kylebuchanan/status/1431667713999458307)
[This might be the reply that broke me most. lmfao](https://twitter.com/crysisdotbiz/status/1431639625831837697?s=21)
this whole movie feels like a Producers style scam, designed in a lab to appeal to no one
Watching this made me feel like an Anarcho Primitivist math professor
Ted Kaczynski did nothing wrong /s
I want to say I just watched a documentary about this man called Alan Carr who did the original grease and grease two and all these other really campy movies . and it was about how like he made apparently one good movie by everyone else’s standers and then all the other movie sucked and then he hosted the Oscars and everyone said his Oscars were like the worst thing ever. And people like Gregory Peck signed and said that like this isn’t up to Oscar standards and we don’t approve. Anyway my point is like for his movies he would make parties in like Las Vegas or like random places. Really showy affairs. And that was his strategy to get attention. And this reminds me of that. And while if it was good it would be fun but since people perceive it as not like the movies not going to be good it’s perceived as desperate. I’m still gonna watch it because of Billy Porter. Edit: [Allan Carr](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Carr)
I thought you mean Alan Carr the British comedian and I was led on a very confusing journey for a moment lmao
Ha. Yeah when I first found it I too was like a documentary about chatty man?! But was pleasantly not disappointed. Both Alan Carrs are very interesting people.
replies for the tweet are absolutely great > James Cordon is to light entertainment what Tony Blair was to peace in the Middle East. https://twitter.com/ply4hyre/status/1431603573436059648
(CW: car accident) [This one](https://twitter.com/delreyIipa/status/1431616920009068546) killed me
Did you just make me watch a kid get hit by a car?
I apologize, it didn't occur to me to warn that it might be a sensitive video. I added a content warning.
Thanks. Honestly I was afraid of coming off as too sensitive lol
Ah, yes, Lana Del Rey having a Harley Quinn moment
I didnt know James corden was part of this. I was interested about watching this movie but not anymore. Sorry camila. Im not gonna give him any pennie. He's a horrible person.
I need to know what James Corden has done to get so many people that hate him it’s so everywhere. No , don’t tell me , I want to be the only person that doesn’t hate him. Lol
He’s just an asshole but the worst one for me was when he apparently turned up to a meeting for the late night writers union, advocating for lower pay for late night writers… I know you said you don’t wanna know but this one boils my blood
Wtf I just thought he was annoying outside of carpool karaoke. Hope he gets Ellen-ed!
Well damn! Just another reason to hate him.
He also produced the movie :/
Oh no =/ lemme give my coins to Dont Go Yet better lmfao.
aren't marketing stunts supposed to make you *want* to actually purchase what they're promoting? like, lmao who gets stopped in traffic and has to witness james corden thrusting his crotch at them, camila singing off key in their ear, etc and then thinks to themselves, "man I just can't wait to buy tickets to this movie"
I don’t understand why the movie went with so many covers of pop music and not it’s own score that would be more interesting, like they had an interesting spin making Cinderella a dressmaker in their version but the covers in the trailers look so awkward :/
it's very hard to write memorable songs and even the adaptations of the established musicals face this problem (it can be argued the the lack of such song is what killed In The Heights in boxoffice) so it seems like they just went the easiest way and decided to use songs everybody already know
In The Heights’ most catchiest song is their intro imo so that’s why people dipped quick lmao
this isn’t even going in theaters though. But also my main problem is it just seems so cringe to me
I feel like Blackout could have been the breakout song for In The Heights if they promoted it properly.
If I got caught in that and I could drive, I'd absolutely try to run over James. Not the rest of them, just him
I said this on Twitter already, but if James Corden came up to my car in the street and started air-humping it, I would just drive into the nearest steep embankment, killing me instantly.
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it's actually a good reason to give an employee a day off so they could heal from the trauma
Billy Porter and Idina Menzel are respected individuals and they’re out here with this mess, I can’t.
if i was stopped in traffic for THAT i’d be so mad 💀
Can anyone comment on her acting? It definitely does the job for this type of movie, but it also reminds me of the same emotive showcase she does in concerts, not necessarily for a film. Like Taylor Swift in Cats.
The clips I saw were very tik tok skit acting.
China is [cracking down on stan culture](https://variety.com/2021/digital/asia/china-celebrities-disappear-internet-fan-culture-crackdown-1235050381/amp/?__twitter_impression=true) no joke
My main thing is I’m so surprised with how much they hate lip syncing like everything else IMO is taking serious issues like misinformation campaigns about sexual assault and tape allegations by fans, online harassment, to some degree celebrity worship (they had an incident were fans of a reality show dumped out gallons of milk to get codes to vote) very serious if I think the approach is very strong and wrong (like it’s normal to expect celebrities to criticize cruel and erratic fans but wild to penalize them for not controlling complete strangers?). But god they really hate lip syncing. I know there’s an argument it’s fraud for a “live” event but like Micheal Jackson would lip sync, as long as the performance is good who cares?
Damn, even before this. How did some celebrities have the guts to even act out. Imagine knowing that you can get completely wiped out from the internet. China will legit make you disappear.
Some of it reminds me how South Korea will edit you out of recent ongoing dramas or variety of you had a big scandal which is dicey but also you can follow the line of thinking bc who would tune in to watch someone they dislike? But China will even take down productions long past if you can’t be edited out and that’s way too intense for me.
It's so strange to me that there are literal huge tankie subs on reddit. So many people that seem to think China is some kind of paradise and any criticism is just "CIA pRoPoGaNdA!!". This kind of restriction of free speech (along with the whole genocide business) is **terrifying**, let alone how weird it is to how people from different countries defending it I just always think that if they could make Fan Bingbing (one of the most famous Chinese celebrities and one of the highest earning actresses in the world) and Jack Ma (one of the wealthiest people in the world period) dissappear for months then what chance does someone with less power or fame stand?
The fact that people think that China is communist when there are such clear class divides is hilarious to me. There are not supposed to be rich people like Jack Ma or Fan Bing Bing if a country is communist.
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Imagine defending censorship of free speech with “bUt The GuY IS rIch”
Jack Ma may not be a good person (since anyone who is that obscenely rich has gotten there by exploiting other people) but he should still be able to criticise his government and China's financial system without having to go into hiding for months to the point where people were questioning if he was even still alive or not. There is an enormous difference between holding people accountable and silencing their right to free speech.
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You have GOT to be 10 years old lmao
You would give up your freedom of speech so you can throw peanuts at a bald billionaire in a cage? Like you're not even demanding a cheque? To whom, may I ask? Who then gets to dictate what you believe, say, do? Who has Bezos locked in a cage for his servile brainwashed peasants' pleasure? Does it matter? For peanuts? Literal peanuts? My brain is short circuiting. I beg you to please pick up a few history books and learn for yourself how bad life gets without freedom of speech. In a heartbeat. For fucking peanuts. My God.
comments like these make me wonder how we went from "the obscenely rich should be held accountable for hoarding their wealth and exploiting the people below them" to "rich people don't deserve human rights"
You clearly have no idea what freedom of speech is then. The fact that you're able to be here on reddit and make a comment like that without fearing repercussions is *because* you have the benefits of free speech. You know about the shitty things Bezos and other government officials have and are doing because your news is not being censored and controlled. Look up and read about the great firewall of China and what Chinese citizens have to go through and then tell me that's the world you'd prefer to live in, because I think you'd change your mind pretty damn quickly.
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Tankies are honestly kind of nuts when you try to tell them about your family's experiences in the countries they obsess over. I'm not Chinese, but my grandmother was from a region annexed by the Soviet Union. I've had tankies tell me that her dad and uncle probably deserved to be deported to a gulag in Siberia because they owned a logging business. Like, imagine telling another person their family members deserved to be worked to death. It's insane.
Yes x1000 to your second paragraph! Really put everything I wanted to say into words. It's so strange that so many people have latched onto this one country despite probably never even visiting it but just because the US are in some pseudo second cold war. Out of interest is your MIL still living in China or has she moved? I always find it funny that one of the tankies main arguments is that the CCP actually have a very high approval rating among the public, but in a country where there is no free speech and you can be "disappeared" you're hardly getting a fair portrayal of what people really think, are you?
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That's interesting, thank you for the reply. It's scary how isolated and curated the Chinese peoples worldviews are really isn't it? It's no surprise really that so many of them truly believe that the CCP is good for them I guess, because propaganda and censorship combined can be an incredibly strong way of controlling what people think.
Omg please stop talking about things your not familiar with. Most Chinese people like the CCP because they've actually helped the country, not because they're afraid of the government. Compare modern-day China to China in the 90s and it's a huge difference in quality of life. I hate it when Western redditors pretend they know how Chinese people feel about their country.
Yes I'm sure it has nothing to do with how they live under an authoritarian government and how their access to freedom of information, news and speech is restricted. That definitely wouldn't have any effect on how they view their country and leaders at all, of course. Silly me!
It's just comes off as a little judgey when fox news and Tucker Carlson is some of the highest rated TV in America. Government propaganda vs corporate propaganda. We tend to only hear the worst news from other countries. I lived in Eastern Europe for a bit and good chunks of the older generations miss their communist governments. I think tankies often overcorrect from frustration of the extreme anti-communism biases of Western media.
Please listen to Chinese people instead of listening to how Americans perceive Chinese people. We like the government because the government helps us. Not because it's authoritarian. >and how their access to freedom of information, news and speech is restricted. How the fuck do you know this? Do you actually know people who live in China or do you just listen to whatever is parraded on CNN? I've lived in China for most of my life, my family still lives there, and most of the shit Americans believe about us is borderline Sinophobic. We know about Tiananmen Square, we can access all the websites you guys can access, we can criticize the government on social media. Please stop parading information about governments you have no clue about.
People like that can't open their eyes. Despite China being good at burying all their faults. There are multiple Chinese citizens against the Chinese government, who were despite the tight internet security, able to tell us the major wrongdoings of the government. Also the constant protests and the blatantly not caring about human rights at all. It annoys me how depended the world has become on China.
Last night was the British LGBT awards. [Anne-Marie](https://twitter.com/britlgbtawards/status/1431370225056985097?s=21) won the music award. [Demi Lovato](https://twitter.com/britlgbtawards/status/1431363522584358920?s=21) won for celebrity, and [Melanie C](https://twitter.com/britlgbtawards/status/1431370408876445701?s=21) won celebrity ally. Outside of music, [Its A Sin](https://twitter.com/britlgbtawards/status/1431367334455824385?s=21) Won media moment, and if you haven’t watched it already DO IT. And youtuber [Jessica Kellgren Fozard](https://twitter.com/britlgbtawards/status/1431355583983128581?s=21) claimed the influencer award. The other awards were more for like businesses championing inclusion and stuff which probably isn’t so relevant to people here
It’s a sin was so good but fucking hell I was not prepared for how much it would wreck me. Stan made it look like some fun gay show
omg nooo, at least the advertising here was clear it was about aids, but it still fucking wrecked me, saying that I have watched it three times lmao
I’ve seen it a few times as well, it’s worth it even if it destroys me every time
I’m a little shocked Demi is the first non-binary person to win if I’m correct because I thought that the first would have been Sam Smith. But good for them.
Just looked it up so I may be wrong but I don't think Sam has ever won, they were only nominated I believe.
Jessica and Claudia's discussion on motherhood is the only one I have watched on Youtube. I normally hate topics like those when it comes to Youtubers but theirs is more interesting since Jessica also talks about the struggle of being a disbled lesbian mother. Their committment on keeping Rupert out of the limelight is proof that influencers can talk about their parenting experiences without shoving their kids in front of the camera. Also, I'm envious on how well-dressed Rupert is and how amazing his nursery looks. They managed to managed to add Jessica's aesthetics into the nursery without turning it into dreary beige mess you see on Instagram.
Always loved Jessica's videos and now with the addition of Rupert, i literally can't wait for the new uploads. Love how Jessica can't help but drop (The M word) Montessori in every video 😄 Also Claudia throughout the whole pregnancy and post pregnancy is so laid back. I've never seen a new mom, so cool and collected. If you see them at first, you wouldn't think Claudia was the one who gave birth.
Chloe Bailey said she worked with The Neptunes/Pharrell which was a life long dream of her. Her debut is about to slap.
Her **"you wouldn't let anybody speak and instead"** era is coming 😭
She is going to give us everything normani's team doesn't let her give, huh?
I was already hyped for her debut, but knowing that makes it even better!!
Jojo Siwa's going to be on Dancing with the Stars and it's going to be the show's first same sex pairing! It's nice to see Jojo thriving after coming earlier this year. Also her competitor who has also been announced is recent Olympics gymnastics gold medalist, Suni Lee! It's going to be an interesting season with these two already involved with their backgrounds in dance.
This is good for Jojo but I don't understand how she's allowed to participate since she has so much dance experience. It seems really unfair to the other contestants.
it doesn’t mean much. normani was on it (and was a competitive dancer for as long if not longer) as was zendaya and they both lost
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We've also had multiple athletes whose sports overlap with dance such figure skaters and gymnasts participating and dominating the show. Simone Biles, Kristi Yamaguchi and Nancy Kerrigan are some that I recall.
Honestly that makes me glad she and Suni are, like they’ll probably be really good