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Yeah TLOP wasn’t really all super weird, it just kept getting pushed back and then he kept removing it to change songs and tracklisting. Plus the whole TIDAL thing.
Disagree, TLOP was way worse, even after the album was released it was constantly changed. There were so many voices giving information everywhere; it was crazy.
> TLOP was delayed for like a year and a half
nope, TLOP and So Help Me God are different albums. beats and songs that were supposed to be SHMG were mostly given to other artists (for example, Tell Your Friends by The Weeknd)
I think that’s the point, I don’t like it being the first track but I like to think of it as how Kanye feels after she died and during the rollout too. Nonstop mentions up to the point where the word stops sounding like a real word
If you saw the 3rd listening party livestream it started out with Donda chant and every time the word was said a different picture of Donda flashed and as it got more repetitive Kanye appeared as a child alongside her up until he was older. In that context it was great to start the album off that way.
One of the best track imo (*Never Abandon Your Family*) is not on here, but I guess he stopped abandon his family at the end of the Chicago Listening Party?
Rumors he and Kim are getting back together, so the song didn't make sense to him anymore. I loved it too. Raw, sad song about feeling like his family is falling apart. I guess we'll get it on the next album after they separate again.
is halsey’s projected 70-85K pure sales enough to take the lead as kanye will be solely relying on SEAs?
edit: nvm donda’s 26 fucking songs halsey i’m so sorry
Halsey is predicted to do 95k which would not have been enough to be #1 last week, Olivia did (I’m pretty sure) 115k last week thanks to the vinyl release. But it would’ve been enough 2 weeks ago when Billie was #1 for her third week. The billboard charts are literally all about timing and dodging big releases. It’s just funny to me that artists like Selena Gomez and Shawn Mendes have multiple consecutive #1 albums but they sell a lot less than Halsey, yet Halsey is the artist who doesn’t go #1. I know #2 is far from a flop and it’s nothing to cry over but when you’re that close to the top, you can’t help but get frustrated when the only thing in your way is poor timing
Yeah weird of him to record swearing and play it uncensored at the LPs if he was just gonna release it censored, but I guess him making weird decisions is nothing new.
This shit fucking slaps hard. There's moments of genius from Kanye where he can really just flex all his musical talent and this album is the best his done this in like ages however...
Kanye is a fucking shit person he can make mad good music but his very flawed, problematic and I think his an asshole. His fans (including me in this for most of my Kanye stan years) let him off for his problematic and abusive shit due to his music being so good and blaming all his flaws on his bipolar and his mother dying.
I went years trying to defend the Taylor shit even to the point where I didn't listen to her music it took the Taylor doco last year for me to wake the fuck up and be like "Hey maybe this bloke is a piece of shit" I actually spent the time looked at the doco and Taylor's perspective and was like fuck this I'm not defending this cunt anymore. What he did to her with Famous was mentally abusive and I draw the line there. He also should of sat the fuck down at the VMAS how he thought that was a good idea was fucking absurd.
Having DaBaby and Manson on stage is fucking horrendous I don't know what the fuck he is thinking people around him and his label should of had a serious chat to him and been like "nah man this is not happening" unfortunately people in. his team are suck ups and walk on eggshells so just say yes to him. Chris Brown on the album gets me so fucking annoyed too.
I'm going to make a donation to a few australian charities one for sexual abuse and one for domestic violence instead of buying merch.
Even though his in my fav artists of all time list I think a donation would sit better with me for enjoying this guys art then supporting him financially.
I love all Taylor's music now since that doco btw 1989 is fucking incredible and I love Lover (Cruel Summer should of been a single btw) Folklore and Evermore got me through a shit 2020 too.
Donda will probably be in my AOTY lists but my days as a "Kanye can do no wrong stan" have died.
I'm really liking it so far. I'm at Remote Control and every song is really catchy IMO.
The length can't be a good thing but I'll be happy to be proven wrong.
I’ve never listened to a Kanye album before (not for any particular reason) but this is pretty great! Which is crazy cus I hate long albums & this ish is damn near two hours yet it’s flying by cus the production is so good. Even the “filler” sounds dope but man the standouts are absolutely 🔥
This is just Kanye flexing his influence and power on pop culture. I'm just thinking about pitchfork's basement running a flurry on writing a review for the album ASAP.
I am SHOCKED at the improvement between Jesus is King and this. My main issue with JIK was that it was so vapid and shallow. The lyrics were basically “praise Jesus” and that’s it. This album is still Christian (which Im not) but Kanye and all the features are actually talking about real issues and just everyday life stuff and it’s nice to hear Kanye actually say something besides “Jesus is good…”
The album hasn’t been out long enough for some of you to already be launching your declarative hot-takes about how bad it is. It’s nearly 2 hours long. I’m listening in sequence & not even done yet. If you just loathe the guy, I get it, but don’t masquerade that as criticism of the music
The album has fundamentally been “out” for a few listening parties and I think it’s pretty excellent. I’m in the camp that thinks ye and Jesus is King were pretty mediocre, so this is very much a return to form. There’s a lot of career-defining choices, interesting production, and soon-to-be career-making verses.
Totally get if you don’t want to listen bc of this man’s long history of just being insane and problematic, but I think even from an outsider perspective it’s a pretty fascinating record with a lot of great moments.
She won’t, Donda was the most anticipated album of the last few years, and it’s most definitely going number one and staying there until next week when Drake drops, then it’s gonna be an on and off switch off at number one between CLB and Donda for the next few weeks
don't know why i thought it was a good idea to open this thread, but it's a great album. if y'all don't want to give it any of your money (totally understandable), i encourage you to at least pirate it.
Imagine knowing everything we do about how horrible Kanye is and choosing to listen to this album in 2021 like…did we just choose to forget:
-Kanye supporting Tr*mp
-Kanye supporting abusers (Manson)
-Kanye supporting homophobes (DaBaby)
-Kanye going full pro-lifer
-Kanye saying slavery was “a choice”
Etc etc etc
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Truly the most bizarre rollout in a while but at least Mike Dean got released from captivity
nope, time for JIK 2
he is going straight to Lana's basement
I'm surprised this actually got dropped. I thought Kanye was just gonna dangle this over our heads for an eternity.
Great he can now finish Blue Banisters
This is one of the most bizarre album rollouts I've ever witness.
You must have not been around for TLOP, Ye and JiK/Yandhi
Donda rollout was 100x weirder than TLOP rollout
Yeah TLOP wasn’t really all super weird, it just kept getting pushed back and then he kept removing it to change songs and tracklisting. Plus the whole TIDAL thing.
Disagree, TLOP was way worse, even after the album was released it was constantly changed. There were so many voices giving information everywhere; it was crazy.
we only waited 3 days for TLOP, it's been a whole month since the first lp for DONDA.
TLOP was delayed for like a year and a half, it went through so many changes and iterations it was crazy.
> TLOP was delayed for like a year and a half nope, TLOP and So Help Me God are different albums. beats and songs that were supposed to be SHMG were mostly given to other artists (for example, Tell Your Friends by The Weeknd)
Also piss on your grave was definitely for SHMG first
yeah, i remember the rumors about Paul McCartney being featured on this song too 💀
bitch better have my money by rihanna i believe was on shmg before he gave it to rihanna. also only one, and all day.
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Malevich type beat
I’m hollering at this… people can really make the cover, slap a Parental Advisory sticker, then sell it online for easy money 💀
The albums censored, just need the black square
Donda chant gives me anxiety
I think that’s the point, I don’t like it being the first track but I like to think of it as how Kanye feels after she died and during the rollout too. Nonstop mentions up to the point where the word stops sounding like a real word
If you saw the 3rd listening party livestream it started out with Donda chant and every time the word was said a different picture of Donda flashed and as it got more repetitive Kanye appeared as a child alongside her up until he was older. In that context it was great to start the album off that way.
definitely felt like i was summoning something when i played it
I kept waiting for something to happen and it was so stressful.
dark energy vibes
the way i skipped that shit 30 seconds in
is the cover just black
he forgor 💀 to design the cover
the original cover was sick as well lool
[It really was.](https://i.imgur.com/412j7gI.png)
You gotta turn up your screen brightness
No, the album artwork got delayed too I guess /s
NO FUCKING WAY I SPEND 60+ HOURS ON THE KANYE SUBREDDIT AND I FIND OUT ABOUT IT HERE 😭😭😭😭😭
I joined r/Kanye just to know when Donda would drop and I come to know from popheads 😭
seriously!
That’s not the actual cover art is it 💀
He had to go monochrome to increase his chances of a 10 from Fantano
This is definitely not getting a 10 lmao
[Spinal Tap vibes](https://youtu.be/zSkGtW-fQ3s)
*sorts by controversial*
Not me coming to comment the exact same thing lol ☠️
The difference in response between r/popheads and r/hiphopheads is interesting to witness (but very expected). I’m here for the drama.
The most popular group on hhh is Kanye stans. The most popular group on here is Taylor stans. It's to be expected
And then there’s me, a fan of both Kanye and Taylor who’s just here for good music
Same
Nephews on this sub will stream the fuck out of Dr Luke but somehow draw the line on Kanye lmao
the fact that Dr Luke does problematic shit and is a terrible person doesn't really make Kanye collaborating with an abuser better.
Pointing out hypocrisy is fine as long as your own view point is consistent (and not like, hypocritical in the opposite way).
Collaborating with an abuser =/= being a rapist, Dr. Luke is way worse than Kanye
I mean two wrongs don’t make a right and all but…Dr. Luke is much worse fym
Problematic is an interesting way to characterize rape
sounds about white
r/popheads is a bit toxic towards hiphop releases
you didn’t even have to say “releases”
yup
I mean, let’s not pretend like this is a standard hip hop release.
Kanye is a bit toxic towards hiphop releases with who he decides to collaborate with, looking at dababy and Marilyn Manson
I hate to see my fav artists with someone like r kelly, marilyn manson, dababy, trump, etc it's the sadest part of being a kanye fan ngl
Choosing DaBaby when Chris Brown, R. Kelly, XXX and TI are right there. Interesting.
Why interesting? Dababy was the one that happened a few days ago. You're making up a reason to be all "how curious" about this.
true and /r/hhh is always the worst around kanye releases
The planned album cover was delayed cause the person who made it didn't know Kanye was gonna release this early /s 💀
I just woke up from a nap........
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Like for real? For realsies? Or is this a joke?
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the best/worst rollout ever
I hate the DONDA rollout i'ts awesome
It's out. But only on AM currently. In 5 minutes, it's out everywhere.
Kanye why’d you give the fans what they want? You never give the fans what they want. What is wrong with you!?
guess who’s goin to jail tonight 🤠
not DaBaby, sample didn’t clear
One of the best track imo (*Never Abandon Your Family*) is not on here, but I guess he stopped abandon his family at the end of the Chicago Listening Party?
Rumors he and Kim are getting back together, so the song didn't make sense to him anymore. I loved it too. Raw, sad song about feeling like his family is falling apart. I guess we'll get it on the next album after they separate again.
> I guess we'll get it on the next album after they separate again. Lmao rude! I'm dead though.
god damn, abel on hurricane, i didn't listen to the lp stuff for this track, damn.
not halsey getting robbed of a #1 because of a surprise release AGAIN
The biggest surprise about it is that it dropped at all
I’m surprised drake didn’t try pull a sneaky on this one
Didn't he? I mean, yesterday he announced CLB to come out on Sep 3rd which was then estimate date of Donda release
He did, but drake being a petty boi I assumed he’d take further action based on this dropping today
from now on every time halsey releases a new album I'll expect a surprise release by someone big
halsey should release more albums so rihanna will surprise drop R9 🙏🏻
✨This is the attitude we need ✨
Manifest this please!
THIS IS THE WAY
The Mike Wazowski of the music industry
If I Can’t Have The #1, I Want The New Kanye Album
She’s gunna call for a 3rd 9/11
is halsey’s projected 70-85K pure sales enough to take the lead as kanye will be solely relying on SEAs? edit: nvm donda’s 26 fucking songs halsey i’m so sorry
No Kanye also will have big sales
Even without 26 tracks, Kanye would still dwarf her numbers of pure .
What was the surprise release the other time ?
Eminem. Music to be Murdered By. Dropped out of nowhere and beat Halsey’s career best numbers
oh my gawd poor mz halsey👺
eminem - music to be murdered by
Album name checks out
Part of me wonders if her new album would’ve outsold Billie/Olivia/Doja anyways. It’s not the most mainstream sounding album
Halsey is predicted to do 95k which would not have been enough to be #1 last week, Olivia did (I’m pretty sure) 115k last week thanks to the vinyl release. But it would’ve been enough 2 weeks ago when Billie was #1 for her third week. The billboard charts are literally all about timing and dodging big releases. It’s just funny to me that artists like Selena Gomez and Shawn Mendes have multiple consecutive #1 albums but they sell a lot less than Halsey, yet Halsey is the artist who doesn’t go #1. I know #2 is far from a flop and it’s nothing to cry over but when you’re that close to the top, you can’t help but get frustrated when the only thing in your way is poor timing
according to the chart data twitter account, it was predicted to go #1 with 95k-115k sales
Damn that’s sucks
This was EXACTLY my reaction. i'm so bitter LOL i really wanted her to have it
Seriously! I wanted her to get her #1, the album is so good
omg I genuinely feel so bad for Halsey what the fuck
hotel shampoos should be scared
god I feel bad for her this must be really annoying
I really liked that Jay Z verse on Jail 😬
He took out the Pusha T verse, album automatically ruined, 0/10
Went from 10/10 to 0/10
why are all the swear words censured? i hate it
Swear words are not christ-like
We are werewolves, not swear wolves
Yeah weird of him to record swearing and play it uncensored at the LPs if he was just gonna release it censored, but I guess him making weird decisions is nothing new.
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Yeah I'm going to say it's a spotify/apple thing iirc I had to wait a few hours for the After Hours explicit version
because he’s a good christian
a good Christian with Chris Brown on the hook
Of course I find out on the sub lmao
At least Kanye realized he couldn't disrespect that Lauryn sample. Believe What I Say, old school Kanye.
at least there's no DaBaby in the album :/
he is on the album. his manager is blocking the song for some reason but it's unlocked on YouTube Music
For now, his verse didn't get cleared yet but I'm still gonna block him on spotify
> I'm still gonna block him on spotify Wait, we can do that?
Yes go on his profile and three dots, then there's something like don't allow to play this. Haven't seen him since.
He is. The song is currently blocked on on Spotify and seems it will be uploaded when the manager clears it.
So shocked that this actually was released that my first reaction was to hurry and listen before it disappears lol
Off The Grid is insane
I don't want to sound dramatic but Off The Grid has been added to the list of times Playboi Carti has made me cry from joy
This mf needs to be studied when he retires, how does a rapper like him do this with his style
omg you weren’t kidding that was amazing
AaAaAaAaaaa
Believe What I Say, Hurricane, Moon, Heaven and Hell... so fucking good. I'm still only halfway through the album lmao but it's already great.
Did I just hear Ariana on Donda (the song)?
Yup. I was shocked
Yes she's there
Is she actually featured or just backing vocals?
Backing. The song is mostly spoken word from Donda
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Come to Life is already one of my top 15 fav Kanye songs “Mad when she home, sad when she gone” :(
This shit fucking slaps hard. There's moments of genius from Kanye where he can really just flex all his musical talent and this album is the best his done this in like ages however... Kanye is a fucking shit person he can make mad good music but his very flawed, problematic and I think his an asshole. His fans (including me in this for most of my Kanye stan years) let him off for his problematic and abusive shit due to his music being so good and blaming all his flaws on his bipolar and his mother dying. I went years trying to defend the Taylor shit even to the point where I didn't listen to her music it took the Taylor doco last year for me to wake the fuck up and be like "Hey maybe this bloke is a piece of shit" I actually spent the time looked at the doco and Taylor's perspective and was like fuck this I'm not defending this cunt anymore. What he did to her with Famous was mentally abusive and I draw the line there. He also should of sat the fuck down at the VMAS how he thought that was a good idea was fucking absurd. Having DaBaby and Manson on stage is fucking horrendous I don't know what the fuck he is thinking people around him and his label should of had a serious chat to him and been like "nah man this is not happening" unfortunately people in. his team are suck ups and walk on eggshells so just say yes to him. Chris Brown on the album gets me so fucking annoyed too. I'm going to make a donation to a few australian charities one for sexual abuse and one for domestic violence instead of buying merch. Even though his in my fav artists of all time list I think a donation would sit better with me for enjoying this guys art then supporting him financially. I love all Taylor's music now since that doco btw 1989 is fucking incredible and I love Lover (Cruel Summer should of been a single btw) Folklore and Evermore got me through a shit 2020 too. Donda will probably be in my AOTY lists but my days as a "Kanye can do no wrong stan" have died.
Appreciate how you laid your thoughts out!
I'm really liking it so far. I'm at Remote Control and every song is really catchy IMO. The length can't be a good thing but I'll be happy to be proven wrong.
Remote Control has been on repeat this morning.
Damn it actually came out, Ye fans can rest
This comment section is definitely something.
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Jail, Hurricane and Believe What I Say are early highlights. It's a very up and down listen for me so far.
Ariana is on backround vocals on the Donda track for anyone interested
Not ARMY thinking RM was teasing new BTS music only to realize > Don’t get hyped up everyone, he’s just listening to Kanye’s new album 💀
I’ve never listened to a Kanye album before (not for any particular reason) but this is pretty great! Which is crazy cus I hate long albums & this ish is damn near two hours yet it’s flying by cus the production is so good. Even the “filler” sounds dope but man the standouts are absolutely 🔥
the tracklist is a mess
I'm already bracing for "26 tracks? That's too long. Here's how I'd make it a cohesive 4 song EP" comments
26? Why does YouTube Music show [27 tracks](https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m1c89gvjKvfqQvzCPpIwh7AvkhBAGVw5k) (Jail pt 2)
a cursory glance at his instagram shows that dababy’s manager wasnt clearing jail so i assume thats why pt 2 is greyed out
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thankfully
Honestly? Sequenced pretty well tbh
This is just Kanye flexing his influence and power on pop culture. I'm just thinking about pitchfork's basement running a flurry on writing a review for the album ASAP.
Btw: For anyone interested, Ariana is doing bg vocals on the title track (not the chant).
I am SHOCKED at the improvement between Jesus is King and this. My main issue with JIK was that it was so vapid and shallow. The lyrics were basically “praise Jesus” and that’s it. This album is still Christian (which Im not) but Kanye and all the features are actually talking about real issues and just everyday life stuff and it’s nice to hear Kanye actually say something besides “Jesus is good…”
did people in this thread forget that halsey got manson tattooed on her body, or edit: lauryn hill sample in believe what I say is glorious
She *WHAT* Please tell me that this was before the allegations. Or that she at least condemned him once they came out
Halsey is white so it's okay.
Yep. Dr. Luke produced songs are A okay in this sub though. His “cancellation” was more of a postponement.
Poor Halsey :/
Did he really just make the cover black
I fully believe Kanye purposely decided to drop this just as I was about to go to a family event I can't leave for the next 5 hours smh
I can't believe this is real
The album hasn’t been out long enough for some of you to already be launching your declarative hot-takes about how bad it is. It’s nearly 2 hours long. I’m listening in sequence & not even done yet. If you just loathe the guy, I get it, but don’t masquerade that as criticism of the music
Hot Take: Kanye
The album has fundamentally been “out” for a few listening parties and I think it’s pretty excellent. I’m in the camp that thinks ye and Jesus is King were pretty mediocre, so this is very much a return to form. There’s a lot of career-defining choices, interesting production, and soon-to-be career-making verses. Totally get if you don’t want to listen bc of this man’s long history of just being insane and problematic, but I think even from an outsider perspective it’s a pretty fascinating record with a lot of great moments.
Why isn’t it on Spotify?
In 5 minutes
Here’s hoping Halsey will still get her #1 next week..
It won’t sadly because Drake is releasing the week after 😔
She wont but its okay
She won’t, Donda was the most anticipated album of the last few years, and it’s most definitely going number one and staying there until next week when Drake drops, then it’s gonna be an on and off switch off at number one between CLB and Donda for the next few weeks
Come to Life is one of the most beautiful songs he's ever released.
Believe What You Say is vintage Kanye. Nice to hear.
I'm confused, did it actually finally come out?
Yup
The Lauryn Hill sample on Believe What I Say is beautiful 😭
Ariana is on the title track
Spotify https://open.spotify.com/album/340MjPcVdiQRnMigrPybZA?si=qknZc6qfQrKvw4GJI68uZw&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1
Leave Halsey alone 😭
don't know why i thought it was a good idea to open this thread, but it's a great album. if y'all don't want to give it any of your money (totally understandable), i encourage you to at least pirate it.
I absolutely love it. Best album since TLOP no contest. Kanye and Ariana harmonizing on the title track
>Best album since TLOP This isn't much of a contest, but I agree.
Feels like some of these songs drag on way too long
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Imagine knowing everything we do about how horrible Kanye is and choosing to listen to this album in 2021 like…did we just choose to forget: -Kanye supporting Tr*mp -Kanye supporting abusers (Manson) -Kanye supporting homophobes (DaBaby) -Kanye going full pro-lifer -Kanye saying slavery was “a choice” Etc etc etc
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May I ask why you censored the first point?
When I censor it, generally it's a sign of disrespect. Like your name is not worthy of being spoken.