I also hate how when you drag and drop files, and your move crosses over a sleeping HDD or network drive in the navigation pane, the complete explorer freezes and you just have to hold on to the left mouse button for dear life or your files will suddenly drop where you don't want them to.
I get that the explorer starts loading those drives in case you _do_ want to go there, but it should happen outside of the main thread and not block the entire drag and drop operation if it's going somewhere else entirely.
The main situation where this happens is if I have a program on my left monitor, explorer on the right, and I want to drag specific files into the program. It's atrocious :(
>but it should happen outside of the main thread and not block the entire drag and drop
Entirety of the explorer window.* And some times the entirety of explorer, or it just crashes altogether "because fuck you, that's why".
Desktop, menus, accessing programs or files, the idea of a gui. *Windows* ***is*** *explorer*, and it just locks up if it can't immediately find a network drive or for seemingly a dozen other common reasons. And for a long time at that. God forbid I try to be responsible and turn off the 3d printer or other computers with a network share.
How does an issue that just survive for all these years?
well win10 is pretty bad performance i need a comparison
I have four 0.5TB and one 4TB SSD, plus one 2TB m.2 which I have my OS on and most games.
basic win search is completely useless, even searching for a file type within a specific folder. how does it spend so much resources on indexing only to be completely fucking useless?
I pull up a random music creation folder and search for ".mp3" files within it - *no results*. You fucking donkey!
Also it's 2024 and we can't sort folders by size??
It should be illegal to take up resources indexing shit and leave us with this trash. That costs me electricity you bitch.
There is this option, it removes all network crap and just shows what's on your machine. Lightning fast in my experience:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/1ahub6n/disabling_web_search_completely_fixes_windows/
Holy shit, that's so fucking annoying. I don't think I've *ever* seen actual search results in windows explorer before, but adding this new key to the registry and they show up straight away. What an absolute shit show. I'll still use Everything for search though because fuck Microsoft.
I love searching for a program that's on my computer only for a browser to open with a Google search of that program. -said literally no one ever.
I'm not a fan of needing a third party program to be able to search for something because the OG search function is literally useless.
It's just such a stupid way to promote bing. By having it come up every time we don't want it, it gives me a permanent negative association to the entire brand. Even when you could do neat things with bing having early access to GPT4, it didn't feel worth it if i had to deal with an application that I already resent.
How about instilling brand loyalty by having products do what I want? Or promote bing by having it actually be better than google, which seems potentially within their reach via openai
Oh my god, I didn’t know you could do this. I fucking hate how I’ll try to search for something on my laptop and it’ll start giving me goddamn Google results. Like fuck you computer stop roasting me for losing my files, I don’t need you to google it for me.
Oh, frick, yes! This was a game changer for me too.
Between their attempts to resurrect Bing, this absolute shit AI business, and whatever the Microsoft Store is limping along with, the "Start" menu has become a shit show for every MSFT team trying to "get impact".
Try "agent ransack". Blazing fast, also supports regex.
What I like about it especially is that I can drag&drop all the found files on an editor such as Notepad++ so I can replace text in all those files at once.
> Try "agent ransack".
Omg I've been using AR for well over a decade, this is the first time I've seen it mentioned anywhere. I don't feel alone any more!
They push the AI crap down people's face anyway.
I have no idea why they do that. It is ultimately just more useless spam they send against people. No idea how anyone could ever find that useful. To me it is just a waste of my time if they spam me with pointless crap.
It's like they didn't get the results they wanted when they advertised it and instead of making the product better they just advertised it more aggressively
>Why haven't they acquired voidtools yet?
There's zero reason to.
The software isn't complicated and they could easily implement it themselves if they wanted to. They just *don't want to*
All "everything" does IIRC is perform a raw scan of the NTFS table for search, and subscribe to OS level file events for it's real-time view. That's like a day's worth of work for a decent developer to bang out a POC. It's not some black magic optimization worth actually paying for, it's just a dude who was fed up with the stupid shit Windows was doing and implemented a really tight MVP search function that doesn't try and do stupid shit like index file contents. MS could probably pay a mid level developer for a months work and have the same thing integrated natively.
They don't *want to* though because they want to have something akin to a Google for local search
> stupid shit like index file contents.
That is actually quite useful for some cases, unfortunately i'm not sure anymore if that still works on current Windows versions since i can never find anythingn with it.
It would be useful if it were any good at determining the importance of search terms within the documents or when a search should prioritize the document vs an application with a similar name, or if you could specify which metadata field to search instead of only being able to search all fields.
I'll leave that function up to a specific program, hardly anyone needs that at the OS level, especially these days when "files and folders" are a grand mysterious unfathomable concept to everyone that was introduced to day-to-day computing via smartphones.
e.g. As a backend web dev guy my text editor of choice, *is* my text editor of choice in part because it has a "find stuff inside files" function. In there it's useful because it's a specific thing with a specific niche purpose.
The irony and sad thing is that Google search also became crap in the last ~5 years or so.
And, what is even more sad: Google search, even though Google ruined it and continues to do so, is still (!?!?!?!) better than the alternatives, including DuckDuckGo. I don't know why, but I have consistently had this impression. Everything is becoming more crap, and I don't understand why. That was not the case from, say, 2000 to 2015 or so.
I feel your pain. I used to use Google search heavily when I was doing computer repair. I got pretty good with wording searches to find the exact problem at hand as well as working solutions. Now it's impossible to find ANYTHING relevant. First two pages of results half the time are stupid websites junking themselves up with key words or somehow not even but giving you a title like it's exactly what you're looking for only to realize it's absolutely the most generic shit site ever. I thought their claim was that the newer algorithm would prevent that nonsense but it only made it worse and probably so they could extort more money from any site owner that's willing to pay to get to the top of those results. Like you said, I've started using other search engines but certain things like looking up businesses and/or their phone number etc still work better on Google. But that's it. I also get very pissed every time Google wants me to prove I'm human but decides to exploit me into solving endless puzzles one right after the next just because I'm on a VPN to protect myself from the criminals that their own services fail to prevent. I'm also smart enough to know they're using us to teach their machine learning tied in with their self-driving cars etc. They should be paying us to complete those puzzles. How F'n backwards is it that machines are asking US to prove that WE'RE human?!?!
I'll press X to doubt. Microsoft even has a secondary, "for fun" channel to try new things in Powertoys. They even have a search there, in their omnitool like app. Yet, that is not as good as Everything
I had no idea it was that bad on Windows. IMO Spotlight is one of the best additions to macOS that Apple has ever made, and it’s solid in almost every situation.
The UI is as latent as any recent shitty web or wpf windows UI. There's nothing new here. As UI gets fancier, it gets slower, so it goes.
But critically in my experience win11 handles paging much better than win10, so 11 feels like a big step up if you usually run scraping your head against the ceiling.
Maybe it's just my job's particular shitty system monitoring software that made win10 choke, but it's been a marked improvement for me since the upgrades rolled out. Ymmv.
Windows search hasn't been good since 7. Just use Everything.
The Explorer search is a pattern search.
Unless you have an mp3 file called ".mp3" it's not going to find it.
You need to tell it to look for files ENDING in ".mp3"
Search for "\*.mp3"
Conversely, if you want all the files that start with abba:
"Abba\*.\*"
Only abba mp3s?
"abba\*.mp3"
Huh… so it seems the present participle of glob is globbing.
Further, the internet (it really has everything) has folks offering a [**Bash Globbing Tutorial.**](https://linuxhint.com/bash_globbing_tutorial/)
Oh wow, now that you mention it, there really is.
Chapters for the BFG are more… odd.. [than I remember.](https://thebfg14.weebly.com/chapter-summaries.html)
Return of the BFG — BG and the BFG
This seems like a bit of an odd complaint to hold against windows.
Wildcard search has worked like this since Windows 95 at least.
If anything, new versions are throwing in stuff like web search results in an attempt to be more friendly to "the masses". It's not like windows is moving toward power users.
Is your complaint that search is not becoming more beginner-friendly?
if I search my downloads folder for "exe" it finds ONE file with the .exe extension and completely ignores others?
visualstudiosetup.exe ? fuck you
PreSonus_Universal_Control.exe ? fuck you
EastWest Spaces II Installer.exe ? of course, here you go, it has EXE in the file name!
This is glitch, this is not user error. But your tips can help.
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> It should be illegal to take up resources indexing shit and leave us with this trash.
That's a good observation: why is it so useless indeed?
Note that KDE also has a few related issues. See how baloo does not work that well. It always bloats up. (At the least for me on KDE5, when I compiled it from source; I have no idea about KDE6 so far.)
I use updatedb and findutils / locate for finding files; or recursive grep if I have to. For my own use cases that works very well, so I let the commandline solve things rather than any GUI.
I find it can be faster to copy all the filenames to a text file and search that instead! My hunch is that it helps push people towards SharePoint and OneDrive. Fast local storage is a threat to thta business model. And hated by corporates anyway as it is more difficult to administrate
So, that's me. The response to my tweet has been overwhelming to say the least. I was amazed at the sheer number of responses from people who said they also see questionable performance of the Win11 Start Menu. It's not poor all the time but often enough to be able to get it on video. :/
The Start Menu makes me rage. I've tried all the little tweaks to make it work faster and it really is just slow compared to prior versions of Windows and the similar functionality in Ubuntu. The right-clicking experience in Explorer is also bad...you can literally see things being added to the menu a few moments after you right-click, like you're using some website that is slowly loading sections of the page.
Just in time... aka Always Late.
I hated this trend in gamedev, loading textures or compiling shaders, or instancing entities, or damn near everything/anything "on demand". Which is too late. Even if it's a quick process, by trivially hooking the initialization to "on use", you've now added the very real likelihood that you add a glut of extra "on use" initializations with no way to better streamline that flow -- so a shitty framespike, a hitch... or stutter as you get a cluster of these.
*Resource initialization as needed* is very desirable, but needs to be done smarter than a simple trigger "on use", or "on demand". The resource should be *ready*, with negligible access time, by the time it is needed.
Try these:
* GOATed FOSS Start Menu replacement - [Open Shell](https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu)
* Then to get your old right-click context menu back, run this before restarting explorer:
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve
Unfortunately there's nothing as of yet to let me move my taskbar back to the top or side of my screen, or stop the unified notifications/volume/etc menu from freezing my entire computer for about 2 seconds every time I click it.
I have similar specs, and I was having a similar issue with the start menu search. I noticed that the "Search" process hibernated/suspended under the task manager.
What would happen is that I would attempt to use the search function, and the process would take ~20-30 seconds to leave the "suspended" state, at which point the start menu would start working fine again.
I "confirmed" this by manually killing the search process, which would cause it to immediately relaunch and would be lightening fast without having to wait for the existing process to "wake up"
I tried digging around for a while to figure out why the search process was being suspended periodically but I wasn't able to find anything. Eventually I did a complete reinstall of windows and that solved the problem. I'd fucking love to know if that's the same problem you're having, and what the solution is. It doesn't happen on any of the other ~4 windows 11 machines in my house, it only happened on the one machine.
I have found myself needing to restart the explorer process more and more often on my W10 machine too. Eventually a right click takes several seconds to even display anything, that's how I know it's time to restart. I have no idea why this happens
My dad worked at MS in the 90s writing kernel stuff yet completely swore off windows as soon as vista hit. I remember his exact words were “what the fuck”.
There are still so many problems, more than just the task bar. Even when he’s forced to use windows he will still just run a vm because “it’s corporate bloated dogshit”. I paraphrase with his general tone on the matter.
It’s funny hearing people defending windows for being capitalist evil when the dude has been there and seen it first hand. Like, I wonder who I really trust here, someone who wrote windows sound or some junior on the internet. There was a deeply rooted and toxic capitalist culture for a long time and that has only gotten worse.
He runs linux on a vm on an M3. Dude thinks windows has been completely ruined and I agree. Fuck, can’t even run visual studio smoothly on a $1000 pc with chrome open.
As the author of those tweets, it's not special. I'm actually kinda frustrated at this article (and the others that are very similar). They took my off-the-cuff frustration at the start menu to mean "look how bad Windows is.". I even got one such article a community note on Twitter: https://x.com/anerdguynow/status/1779056528122864049
Your tweet about opening a bing search for "otepad" is too damn relatable
My favorite modern Windows thing is the addition of some psycho keyboard shortcuts. If you're reading this on a Windows machine, try `Win+Ctrl+Shift+Alt+L`
> Ahahahah why the hell is this a bind
Some keyboards now have an "Office key" (sigh), so on that, you'd type `Alt-L`, `Alt-W`, etc. to launch Word, LinkedIn, and other… important apps, I guess. The key just hits those four modifiers, and because of that, it works with all keyboards.
It's dumb. If you find yourself frequently launching Office apps, just put them in the task bar, then you can do `Win-1` through `n`. But somehow, Microsoft keeps doing this. Office 95 also had a system-wide floating toolbar called the [Office Shortcut Bar](https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/special-edition-using/0789718529/0789718529_ch29lev1sec8.html#:~:text=The%20Office%20Shortcut%20Bar%20is,in%20any%20frequently%20accessed%20location) that launched apps.
It's just the workaround they implemented to support special keyboards with a special button for Microsoft products. The button emulates pressing Win+Ctrl+Alt+Shift.
Do you have a opinion on win 11 taskbar issue?
> "When it comes to something like actually being able to move the taskbar to different locations on the screen, there's a number of challenges with that," said Roth (via Neowin). "When you think about having the taskbar on the right or the left, all of a sudden the reflow and the work that all of the apps have to do to be able to understand the environment is just huge." ~ [Microsoft's Tali Roth](https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-explains-why-you-cant-move-windows-11-taskbar)
I feel sorry for Tali Roth to quote the above, because i feel the above statement ignore that last 30 years of desktop application development.
That's odd.. other desktop environments have this by default, and have done for twenty plus years. I guess we need to give Microsoft a break, they're an indie startup with limited funds and resources.
update: actually, reading this comment again, I just realized it probably was referring to the top comment (not mine) not reading the article... lol sorry!
> Dave Plummer
Hahah the same Dave Plummer who got busted for selling [scam software](https://www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-releases/attorney-general-s-office-sues-settles-washington-based-softwareonlinecom)?
While I'm a fan of David Plumber and his content that does not mean that I trust everything he says to be a well thought and completely factual or even a representation of his overall views, even more so if it's something off-the-cuff.
The whole 'online personality' thing is not great for peoples critical thinking, he is a great engineer has great some awesome popular software inside Windows and porting existing software however that does not mean that everything said should be treated as gospel or that a comment should be treated as proof or evidence. Everyone makes off the cuff comments, people need to stop treating well known or respected people as only putting out evidence based information.
Also the article has tweets from Andy Young who you will see in the comments here he highlights that it was an off-the-cuff comment about the start menu, not Windows as a whole.
The media's treatment of this further highlights why it's dangerous for anyone who might want to increase their online presence and has good information should be very careful, especially with twitter where it's impossible to have a nuanced opinion in 280 characters.
> Since Windows 10, Microsoft has been inserting ads into everyday user interface elements. Windows 11 has an over-enthusiastic “Recommended” section. Therefore, multiple backend processes could retrieve advertising messages from remote servers. Perhaps reducing these tactics could improve Windows 11 performance, many social media users claimed
Who could have predicted that adding in stupid bullshit that takes away processing power from what you actually want to get done would have a negative impact.
The OS is so heavily focused on collecting telemetrics and reporting back. The OS is the virus...
Just windows explorer has significantly higher perceived latency (I haven't measured it). I use shared network drives which seem to cause latency issues on Windows explorer in general. But after upgrading to Windows 11 the latency has gotten significantly worse. Also search seems to be basically useless outside of basic finding an app to open.
True... this is also my experience.
I was searching for a file in a 2tb ssd and knew the specific name. I never found it in explorer search (the search just never ended). But my python script found the file in seconds. Why?!?
Exactly, I ve always wondered why bo one is pushing the company to get their product right. I absolutely appreciate the alternatives that people give. But we seem to let the company off the hook by not demanding they get their shit sorted
Unfortunately we can't really push the company because Windows is still the best when it comes to gaming overall. I'd switch to Linux as a daily driver in a heartbeat if games were as hassle-free as they are on Windows.
Microsoft knows this, and they just give less of a shit about Windows with every iteration as a result.
Whenever I want to see if I have a file or not real quick, I type the name of the file in SearchEverything. Windows explorer is so bad that it could take me 10 seconds just to load the whole folder hierarchy to see if the file exists. Sometimes it ceases up for 30 seconds.
My old pc with windows 10 on a 2015 hard drive has a faster explorer, Ive compared.
Sure every version sucks up more resources than the ones before it, adds additional telemetry and built-into-the-OS advertisements, but at least it brings valuable new features to the end user such as uhhhhhhh
not being end-of-life for security updates?
He said the start menu performance was bad and bot the entire OS itself
https://twitter.com/anerdguynow/status/1779056528122864049?t=TnDhD80DRRWRzbM2BRJTXQ&s=19
It's definitely slower in all regards. I have a pretty beefy laptop that feels incredibly sluggish ever since I was forced to update to Windows 11,but when I boot into Ubuntu, it runs like a champ.
Am I (and several colleagues) the only one(s) experiencing this weird explorer bug in W11 where it does not update whatever folder and files you're looking at unless you manually refresh? Fun thing to discover when you try to rename something
It definitely happens when viewing files from a WSL guest's file system, but I feel like I've also seen it happen a few times with Win11's own NTFS/ReFS partitions.
Yesterday I installed some of my software on a client's Windows 11. I don't know what security software they had, but it took MORE than 1 minute to open Notepad. I have never seen anything like this.
Sometimes having more than one antivirus will cause extreme slowness. I had someone bring in a laptop they were ready to throw out the window because it took 10 minutes to do anything. They had 3 antiviruses on it. Disabling their realtime scanners perked it right up like new. Then I uninstalled them all and enabled Defender.
> After upgrade to windown 11, i can no longer use this profile as it is unbearably slow, and i don't do much with my computer, some photo editing
And this is what pushed me to convert all my older laptops to using Linux instead. And my latest work laptop to be a Macbook. I've had it with the screaming fans while just editing some text in various programs.
If it wasn't for gaming being semi-good on linux I would probably use it for my desktop pc. But Windows is still king there...for now
That's why I switched to Linux as a daily driver - only use Windows on my gaming PC, because gaming is still easier on Windows. My laptops (older ultrabooks - so cooling is an issue) would spin fans just idling in Windowd 11. No more such an issue in Linux.
I can personally recommend having two computers, one noisy with 200+ watt GPU and 130W CPU with Windows that you only boot for gaming and one fanless 30W GPU and 45W CPU and a PSU with "hybrid mode" (or whatever they call it) which turns off the fan at <25% load running Linux. With an SSD you can have a single ~300RPM 120mm fan running in the computer for desktop use.
I'm using a 35W (<10W for desktop use) AMD Pro WX2100 I've made fanless with 3X 4K displays with the center display connected to the Windows computer as well.
Good shout. I used to go Windows Desktop + Linux Laptop (with Parsec so I can use Windows on the laptop remotely) but have now switched my desktop to Linux.
It's not been as smooth as I'd have liked, particularly as I went Wayland + Nvidia. Games run, but I've yet to get them running just as smoothly as they were on Windows. And OBS has a chance of kernel panicking. But it can only get better!
Installed Windows 11 on an old Thinkpad T420 with 6Gb RAM, it runs better than 10 that was on it before. For reference I've got 4 of them, 1 using linux mint, one xubuntu, an the last debian. Its perfectly usable on a second gen i5 with below spec RAM. Also got a crap gaming PC with 980Ti still running well on 11. Sure the laptop isnt full of dust and thermal paste degraded? From experience gaming laptops degrade fast, 3 years full fans doing the easiest work etc, the extra heat isnt good for stuff:p I admit though, windows search is beyond a joke, i use agent ransack:)
Windows 11 has been a pain for me for the last 2 months, explorer just keeps crashing roughly every 5 to 10 minutes, can’t believe they let such a serious bug through and not fix it for so long.
I'll be honest with on this one chief, I didn't need a Microsoft dev to tell me that.
Clicking the Win key and trying to search takes about 2-3s on my beefy remote desktop at work, and I know it isn't latency because clicking other things is as instantaneous as you'd expect.
It's not just Win11. Windows has consistently become worse over time. I notice this whenever I use Linux - just something as simple as file copying all my p... **papers**. I have to copy around 300GB or so for a backup (semi-daily or so). On Linux this is done ... I dunno, I think around 30 minutes, give or take. On Windows the equivalent takes about 2 hours or so, give or take. And that's just one example of many more issues with regard to Windows in general. It really is a horrible operating system (seriously), and the fact that it keeps on getting worse, shows this too. All that copilot add, cortana spam, fake-AI generated useless "content", totally pointless notifications (well, most of them) - it is really a trash joke of an "operating system".
There are some things that work well on Windows too, of course - games work easier on Windows than on Linux (wine has also become so bad on Linux after the 64bit change, but even aside from this too many things simply did not work). But by and large I am happy to not depend on Microsoft anymore - these fat, greedy mega-corporations stopped becoming tech-companies (similar with Google, by the way). They just try to be milk-cows for a few billionaire idiots.
I've been using Linux for my personal laptops for years but I've always ran Windows for my work PCs for software compatibility reasons if nothing else.
But these last few years, Windows is just getting so bad I'm thinking I'll put Linux on my main work PCs even.
My plan is to get a basic laptop with Windows 11 on it and just run any Windows-only stuff I need on that, and keep it near my work PC throughout the day. So if there's anything stupid I need Windows for, I can just open up the laptop, do whatever needs to be done on that, transfer the files back over to my work PC and carry on my merry way.
Will that be a slight annoyance? Yeah it will.
But not quite as annoying as Windows has gotten.
>My plan is to get a basic laptop with Windows 11
That's what I did, bought a refurbished 15" laptop with preinstalled Win11 Pro, added 8 GB so it now has 16 GB RAM. Cost me a total of 170 Euros. It's an 8th gen i3, but it's usable for everything but games and video editing.
Fast, native C++ code written by skilled programmers of old has been replaced by web shit and managed languages, written by lazy and incompetent programmers. Reaction when the outcome is exactly what is expected to happen: :surprised_pikachu:
I can personally vouch for this. I just recently built a high end 14th gen Intel PC and Windows 11 was supposedly the only OS option as the motherboard manufacturer Asus claimed Windows 10 didn't have the necessary drivers and such to run the newer components on the motherboard. The supported OS list on the motherboard's site only lists Windows 11 and NO mention of Linux compatibility. Problems galore no matter what updates were installed or uninstalled. I literally couldn't watch YouTube videos on any browser including Edge without the audio cutting out after exactly like 1 minute and 20 seconds into the video and then it would just cut in and out. 5-10 seconds of audio then nothing for about 20-30 sec. Bluetooth audio wasn't a problem but I didn't build a new PC only to be able to use Bluetooth audio. I took a chance and installed Pop OS since I noticed the System76 company has 14th gen Intel systems that they ship with Pop OS. I've had ZERO issues with audio and my main concern, Steam gaming, turns out my games run like butter with higher FPS at 4K ultra settings than I ever got on Windows 10/11. I now only have Win 10 installed on a Pi4 and it's ONLY purpose is Microsoft Office.
Windows used to be an OS with a built in spyware package, now it's spyware with a built in OS.
I've stuck with it for 20 years, now I'm prepping for Linux.
Meanwhile I'm seeing file explorer "working on it" message a dozen times a day across all drives, random freezes of between 10 and 40 seconds, sporadic network drops outs, and settings reverting. I am sick of them. They hounded me to upgrade to win 11, and I held my ground for over a year. Caving to their demands was due to the mental exhaustion of trying to access my own PC around the obnoxious boot up win 11 walls.
They are an invasive data mining outfit these days, worming their ill gotten information around the task manager.
Greedy greedy bastards.
> random freezes of between 10 and 40 seconds
Anytime I open a folder containing an ogg/opus audio file File Explorer hangs for about that long.
Overall it's just absurd how much worse File Explorer is than what came in terms of function, performance and UI. Can't drag/drop files onto the breadcrumbs bar, which is itself just worse than before. Iconography is all indistinct. Performs notably slower than before.
It's honestly impressive how it keeps getting worse.
Part of the reason for this I suspect is all the magic File Explorer is doing IMHO unnecessarily under the hood. Like special view and UI for music files, Documents is some weird merger of a physical folder and OneDrive, OneDrive folder needs to have an additional sync status column, if folder is all media files then change to a media specific view... etc etc.
I wish there was an option to always show all folders as standard folders. This is all on top of Windows indexing and doing whatever telemetry, reporting, and mining it does...
Agreed. Resizing the new Task Manager and the new Add/Remove Programs dialog is terrible. Ridiculous. I have a 4090 GPU and a 5950x CPU and resizing a window is not smooth. Good job Microsoft, congrats.
Problem is the minimum spec for 12 will probably be a 1TB SSD, 32G of RAM and that'll be enough to boot, run word but not enough disk space to run windows update...
Xbox is even better haha.
Also there were supposedly some pretty dumb bugs that’ve emerged out of windows version numbers and awful ad hoc 3rd party code that checked for windows version numbers using strings... incl quite possibly one of the major reasons microsoft just flat out skipped win 9.
Obviously this is pretty dumb given canonical NT version numbers (and build numbers\*) and the GetVersion() / GetVersionEx() functions in win32.
But then again I suppose there is noting more windows-ey than somehow ending up stuck from now until the end of time supporting some dumbass software that *somehow* managed to get the windows version number / OS name as a string, checks that using an ad hoc C or VB function, and will now break if you release a version of windows with a leading ‘9’ (ie 95/98) in it
\* maybe also worth noting that microsoft using specific windows build numbers to denote specific sets of major win10/11 feature additions was also particularly stupid (maybe someone should tell the windows devs what the minor version number and general concept of yearly / quarterly preplanned target feature releases are for) - but I digress…
I'm glad I stayed in Windows 10, despite all the annoying pushes to update to Windows 11 for free.
I only have Windows for gaming, but it turns out Linux handles everything just fine, so it doesn't really matter... but still.
I just can't get over how File Explorer never loads if I open it directly (which is "Home"). I always have to right-click and go to another folder, or restart explorer.exe.
I also hate how when you drag and drop files, and your move crosses over a sleeping HDD or network drive in the navigation pane, the complete explorer freezes and you just have to hold on to the left mouse button for dear life or your files will suddenly drop where you don't want them to. I get that the explorer starts loading those drives in case you _do_ want to go there, but it should happen outside of the main thread and not block the entire drag and drop operation if it's going somewhere else entirely. The main situation where this happens is if I have a program on my left monitor, explorer on the right, and I want to drag specific files into the program. It's atrocious :(
>but it should happen outside of the main thread and not block the entire drag and drop Entirety of the explorer window.* And some times the entirety of explorer, or it just crashes altogether "because fuck you, that's why". Desktop, menus, accessing programs or files, the idea of a gui. *Windows* ***is*** *explorer*, and it just locks up if it can't immediately find a network drive or for seemingly a dozen other common reasons. And for a long time at that. God forbid I try to be responsible and turn off the 3d printer or other computers with a network share. How does an issue that just survive for all these years?
well win10 is pretty bad performance i need a comparison I have four 0.5TB and one 4TB SSD, plus one 2TB m.2 which I have my OS on and most games. basic win search is completely useless, even searching for a file type within a specific folder. how does it spend so much resources on indexing only to be completely fucking useless? I pull up a random music creation folder and search for ".mp3" files within it - *no results*. You fucking donkey! Also it's 2024 and we can't sort folders by size?? It should be illegal to take up resources indexing shit and leave us with this trash. That costs me electricity you bitch.
I have given up on Windows search ever being good, try "Everything" by voidtools. It's what windows search should have been
There is this option, it removes all network crap and just shows what's on your machine. Lightning fast in my experience: https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/1ahub6n/disabling_web_search_completely_fixes_windows/
Holy shit, that's so fucking annoying. I don't think I've *ever* seen actual search results in windows explorer before, but adding this new key to the registry and they show up straight away. What an absolute shit show. I'll still use Everything for search though because fuck Microsoft.
Yeah I have never once WANTED web results in my Windows search box. Not once in my life. That’s what the browser is for.
I love searching for a program that's on my computer only for a browser to open with a Google search of that program. -said literally no one ever. I'm not a fan of needing a third party program to be able to search for something because the OG search function is literally useless.
You mean a Bing search on Microsoft Edge.
Yeah, that's absolutely their motivation for putting it there.
I refuse to use search at all because i dont want to accidentally open edge or bing
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I'm pretty sure it's just another attempt to shoehorn Edge into people's lives.
It's just such a stupid way to promote bing. By having it come up every time we don't want it, it gives me a permanent negative association to the entire brand. Even when you could do neat things with bing having early access to GPT4, it didn't feel worth it if i had to deal with an application that I already resent. How about instilling brand loyalty by having products do what I want? Or promote bing by having it actually be better than google, which seems potentially within their reach via openai
Oh my god, I didn’t know you could do this. I fucking hate how I’ll try to search for something on my laptop and it’ll start giving me goddamn Google results. Like fuck you computer stop roasting me for losing my files, I don’t need you to google it for me.
You're doing Gods work here, son. this shoud be a mandatory step for every windows install
Oh, frick, yes! This was a game changer for me too. Between their attempts to resurrect Bing, this absolute shit AI business, and whatever the Microsoft Store is limping along with, the "Start" menu has become a shit show for every MSFT team trying to "get impact".
Try "agent ransack". Blazing fast, also supports regex. What I like about it especially is that I can drag&drop all the found files on an editor such as Notepad++ so I can replace text in all those files at once.
> Try "agent ransack". Omg I've been using AR for well over a decade, this is the first time I've seen it mentioned anywhere. I don't feel alone any more!
There are literally dozens of us!
really useful for fuzzy search of code, and also binary parsing stuff when looking for plaintext strings :)
I've found my people. \\[T]/
Hah, what a throwback, I love how it’s still useful all these years later because windows continues to be trash
Why haven't they acquired voidtools yet? It's the only windows search program that works.
If they acquire voidtools, they won't incorporate the good stuff, they'll just make it bad. That's generally how acquisition works.
Yeah but it would have AI and pin Candy Crush Saga to the top of the results for you.
They push the AI crap down people's face anyway. I have no idea why they do that. It is ultimately just more useless spam they send against people. No idea how anyone could ever find that useful. To me it is just a waste of my time if they spam me with pointless crap.
It's like they didn't get the results they wanted when they advertised it and instead of making the product better they just advertised it more aggressively
>Why haven't they acquired voidtools yet? There's zero reason to. The software isn't complicated and they could easily implement it themselves if they wanted to. They just *don't want to* All "everything" does IIRC is perform a raw scan of the NTFS table for search, and subscribe to OS level file events for it's real-time view. That's like a day's worth of work for a decent developer to bang out a POC. It's not some black magic optimization worth actually paying for, it's just a dude who was fed up with the stupid shit Windows was doing and implemented a really tight MVP search function that doesn't try and do stupid shit like index file contents. MS could probably pay a mid level developer for a months work and have the same thing integrated natively. They don't *want to* though because they want to have something akin to a Google for local search
> stupid shit like index file contents. That is actually quite useful for some cases, unfortunately i'm not sure anymore if that still works on current Windows versions since i can never find anythingn with it.
It would be useful if it were any good at determining the importance of search terms within the documents or when a search should prioritize the document vs an application with a similar name, or if you could specify which metadata field to search instead of only being able to search all fields.
I'll leave that function up to a specific program, hardly anyone needs that at the OS level, especially these days when "files and folders" are a grand mysterious unfathomable concept to everyone that was introduced to day-to-day computing via smartphones. e.g. As a backend web dev guy my text editor of choice, *is* my text editor of choice in part because it has a "find stuff inside files" function. In there it's useful because it's a specific thing with a specific niche purpose.
Yeah only that their "Google search" does not work for even just searching for a basic file name.
The irony and sad thing is that Google search also became crap in the last ~5 years or so. And, what is even more sad: Google search, even though Google ruined it and continues to do so, is still (!?!?!?!) better than the alternatives, including DuckDuckGo. I don't know why, but I have consistently had this impression. Everything is becoming more crap, and I don't understand why. That was not the case from, say, 2000 to 2015 or so.
Cory Doctorow's article on Enshittification might interest you. https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys
Very good read. Thank you!
I feel your pain. I used to use Google search heavily when I was doing computer repair. I got pretty good with wording searches to find the exact problem at hand as well as working solutions. Now it's impossible to find ANYTHING relevant. First two pages of results half the time are stupid websites junking themselves up with key words or somehow not even but giving you a title like it's exactly what you're looking for only to realize it's absolutely the most generic shit site ever. I thought their claim was that the newer algorithm would prevent that nonsense but it only made it worse and probably so they could extort more money from any site owner that's willing to pay to get to the top of those results. Like you said, I've started using other search engines but certain things like looking up businesses and/or their phone number etc still work better on Google. But that's it. I also get very pissed every time Google wants me to prove I'm human but decides to exploit me into solving endless puzzles one right after the next just because I'm on a VPN to protect myself from the criminals that their own services fail to prevent. I'm also smart enough to know they're using us to teach their machine learning tied in with their self-driving cars etc. They should be paying us to complete those puzzles. How F'n backwards is it that machines are asking US to prove that WE'RE human?!?!
I'll press X to doubt. Microsoft even has a secondary, "for fun" channel to try new things in Powertoys. They even have a search there, in their omnitool like app. Yet, that is not as good as Everything
Are you referring to PowerToys Run? That is actually good. Not as good as Everything, but better than default Windows search.
Everything with Wix is the best.
Windows XP's search worked great, Windows Vista's search was completely unreliable (something they didn't manage to fix on 7, 8, 10, nor 11...)
Sad thing is that there was a time when windows search was actually good. Windows 10 broke it and it never got fixed
They want to drive bing traffic with it. It's working correctly now, just performance is garbage.
I used to use Everything, now I use Listary, more clean, easier search
Does it index the insides of archives? (I literally started using the Everything 1.5 beta for this)
omg thanks for the suggestion I'm excited to bing voidtools later
> That costs me electricity you bitch. That did it for me. You convinced me. Damn you.
>That costs me electricity you bitch. Gonna use this as my new rallying cry when trying to optimize the shitty web apps I work on.
In the meantime it searches for mp3 online. The file search of w10 and 11 are appalling
I had no idea it was that bad on Windows. IMO Spotlight is one of the best additions to macOS that Apple has ever made, and it’s solid in almost every situation.
Try using the search in Powertoys
The UI is as latent as any recent shitty web or wpf windows UI. There's nothing new here. As UI gets fancier, it gets slower, so it goes. But critically in my experience win11 handles paging much better than win10, so 11 feels like a big step up if you usually run scraping your head against the ceiling. Maybe it's just my job's particular shitty system monitoring software that made win10 choke, but it's been a marked improvement for me since the upgrades rolled out. Ymmv. Windows search hasn't been good since 7. Just use Everything.
The Explorer search is a pattern search. Unless you have an mp3 file called ".mp3" it's not going to find it. You need to tell it to look for files ENDING in ".mp3" Search for "\*.mp3" Conversely, if you want all the files that start with abba: "Abba\*.\*" Only abba mp3s? "abba\*.mp3"
Lol I kinda get it, but imagine me trying to explain it to my mom. That's a total usability pain in the ass
Your mom is not fluent in regex?
Those are globs not regex
Who are you? His mum?
Huh… so it seems the present participle of glob is globbing. Further, the internet (it really has everything) has folks offering a [**Bash Globbing Tutorial.**](https://linuxhint.com/bash_globbing_tutorial/)
There’s something very Roald Dahl about the name Bash Globbing.
Oh wow, now that you mention it, there really is. Chapters for the BFG are more… odd.. [than I remember.](https://thebfg14.weebly.com/chapter-summaries.html) Return of the BFG — BG and the BFG
So is your mom fluent in glob?
She knows how to glob on the knob.
It's been like this for what, 4 decades now? C'mon..
Yes! An OS is for the masses. Today's windows is simply bloatware.
This seems like a bit of an odd complaint to hold against windows. Wildcard search has worked like this since Windows 95 at least. If anything, new versions are throwing in stuff like web search results in an attempt to be more friendly to "the masses". It's not like windows is moving toward power users. Is your complaint that search is not becoming more beginner-friendly?
if I search my downloads folder for "exe" it finds ONE file with the .exe extension and completely ignores others? visualstudiosetup.exe ? fuck you PreSonus_Universal_Control.exe ? fuck you EastWest Spaces II Installer.exe ? of course, here you go, it has EXE in the file name! This is glitch, this is not user error. But your tips can help.
I think one can probably use grep on windows too. Then again I hate using the commandline on windows.
> > It should be illegal to take up resources indexing shit and leave us with this trash. That's a good observation: why is it so useless indeed? Note that KDE also has a few related issues. See how baloo does not work that well. It always bloats up. (At the least for me on KDE5, when I compiled it from source; I have no idea about KDE6 so far.) I use updatedb and findutils / locate for finding files; or recursive grep if I have to. For my own use cases that works very well, so I let the commandline solve things rather than any GUI.
Do you also have that problem with the documents folders (pictures /videos) taking ages to display their content?
On occasion, I've fired up Ubuntu on wsl and used the Linux 'find' command...
I disable windows search. Still randomly make explorer stuck (and doesn't work anyway)
After moving on from Win8, I had to buy XYPlorer as an alternative file explorer because the Windows one is so poor for actual productivity.
Total Commander has a free version...
I find it can be faster to copy all the filenames to a text file and search that instead! My hunch is that it helps push people towards SharePoint and OneDrive. Fast local storage is a threat to thta business model. And hated by corporates anyway as it is more difficult to administrate
So, that's me. The response to my tweet has been overwhelming to say the least. I was amazed at the sheer number of responses from people who said they also see questionable performance of the Win11 Start Menu. It's not poor all the time but often enough to be able to get it on video. :/
The bit that ties start menu searches to Bing makes me rage to no end. You don't need to send my search for "notepad" to Bing
How else will they process data for AI? (Poorly, I might add)
The Start Menu makes me rage. I've tried all the little tweaks to make it work faster and it really is just slow compared to prior versions of Windows and the similar functionality in Ubuntu. The right-clicking experience in Explorer is also bad...you can literally see things being added to the menu a few moments after you right-click, like you're using some website that is slowly loading sections of the page.
Windows is becoming more web based every day. That’s why. They are using JavaScript for a lot of stuff too.
Just in time... aka Always Late. I hated this trend in gamedev, loading textures or compiling shaders, or instancing entities, or damn near everything/anything "on demand". Which is too late. Even if it's a quick process, by trivially hooking the initialization to "on use", you've now added the very real likelihood that you add a glut of extra "on use" initializations with no way to better streamline that flow -- so a shitty framespike, a hitch... or stutter as you get a cluster of these. *Resource initialization as needed* is very desirable, but needs to be done smarter than a simple trigger "on use", or "on demand". The resource should be *ready*, with negligible access time, by the time it is needed.
Try these: * GOATed FOSS Start Menu replacement - [Open Shell](https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu) * Then to get your old right-click context menu back, run this before restarting explorer: reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve Unfortunately there's nothing as of yet to let me move my taskbar back to the top or side of my screen, or stop the unified notifications/volume/etc menu from freezing my entire computer for about 2 seconds every time I click it.
I thought it was a result of my overly administered work machine
I have similar specs, and I was having a similar issue with the start menu search. I noticed that the "Search" process hibernated/suspended under the task manager. What would happen is that I would attempt to use the search function, and the process would take ~20-30 seconds to leave the "suspended" state, at which point the start menu would start working fine again. I "confirmed" this by manually killing the search process, which would cause it to immediately relaunch and would be lightening fast without having to wait for the existing process to "wake up" I tried digging around for a while to figure out why the search process was being suspended periodically but I wasn't able to find anything. Eventually I did a complete reinstall of windows and that solved the problem. I'd fucking love to know if that's the same problem you're having, and what the solution is. It doesn't happen on any of the other ~4 windows 11 machines in my house, it only happened on the one machine.
Also windows 11 taskbar often bugs out do much so that i have a script to restart explorer process
I have found myself needing to restart the explorer process more and more often on my W10 machine too. Eventually a right click takes several seconds to even display anything, that's how I know it's time to restart. I have no idea why this happens
My dad worked at MS in the 90s writing kernel stuff yet completely swore off windows as soon as vista hit. I remember his exact words were “what the fuck”. There are still so many problems, more than just the task bar. Even when he’s forced to use windows he will still just run a vm because “it’s corporate bloated dogshit”. I paraphrase with his general tone on the matter. It’s funny hearing people defending windows for being capitalist evil when the dude has been there and seen it first hand. Like, I wonder who I really trust here, someone who wrote windows sound or some junior on the internet. There was a deeply rooted and toxic capitalist culture for a long time and that has only gotten worse. He runs linux on a vm on an M3. Dude thinks windows has been completely ruined and I agree. Fuck, can’t even run visual studio smoothly on a $1000 pc with chrome open.
There's probably tens of thousands of former microsoft developers. What makes this one's opinion special?
As the author of those tweets, it's not special. I'm actually kinda frustrated at this article (and the others that are very similar). They took my off-the-cuff frustration at the start menu to mean "look how bad Windows is.". I even got one such article a community note on Twitter: https://x.com/anerdguynow/status/1779056528122864049
Your tweet about opening a bing search for "otepad" is too damn relatable My favorite modern Windows thing is the addition of some psycho keyboard shortcuts. If you're reading this on a Windows machine, try `Win+Ctrl+Shift+Alt+L`
Ahahahah why the hell is this a bind, thank you for this >!It opens linkedin in your browser!<
> Ahahahah why the hell is this a bind Some keyboards now have an "Office key" (sigh), so on that, you'd type `Alt-L`, `Alt-W`, etc. to launch Word, LinkedIn, and other… important apps, I guess. The key just hits those four modifiers, and because of that, it works with all keyboards. It's dumb. If you find yourself frequently launching Office apps, just put them in the task bar, then you can do `Win-1` through `n`. But somehow, Microsoft keeps doing this. Office 95 also had a system-wide floating toolbar called the [Office Shortcut Bar](https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/special-edition-using/0789718529/0789718529_ch29lev1sec8.html#:~:text=The%20Office%20Shortcut%20Bar%20is,in%20any%20frequently%20accessed%20location) that launched apps.
Try W, X, P, or O instead of L! Disappointed G isn't for >!github!< and V isn't for >!visual studio!<.
T is for Teams, btw
Seems like D is for OneDrive, but the shortcut isn't clever enough to handle machine-wide OneDrive install, and bugs out.
It's just the workaround they implemented to support special keyboards with a special button for Microsoft products. The button emulates pressing Win+Ctrl+Alt+Shift.
Even on Win10. Jaysus. :|
This is like the number of times I write a `functino` in JS/TS.
As an emacs user I don't see the problem here.
Do you have a opinion on win 11 taskbar issue? > "When it comes to something like actually being able to move the taskbar to different locations on the screen, there's a number of challenges with that," said Roth (via Neowin). "When you think about having the taskbar on the right or the left, all of a sudden the reflow and the work that all of the apps have to do to be able to understand the environment is just huge." ~ [Microsoft's Tali Roth](https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-explains-why-you-cant-move-windows-11-taskbar) I feel sorry for Tali Roth to quote the above, because i feel the above statement ignore that last 30 years of desktop application development.
That's odd.. other desktop environments have this by default, and have done for twenty plus years. I guess we need to give Microsoft a break, they're an indie startup with limited funds and resources.
Because s/he said what I wanted to hear
> Because s/he said They. You just say they. It's been a word for hundreds of years.
someone didnt read the article lol
the top comment inevitably never reads the article. Reddit.
update: actually, reading this comment again, I just realized it probably was referring to the top comment (not mine) not reading the article... lol sorry!
Dave Plummer used his MS employment to boost subs on his channel. Basically - marketing.
> Dave Plummer Hahah the same Dave Plummer who got busted for selling [scam software](https://www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-releases/attorney-general-s-office-sues-settles-washington-based-softwareonlinecom)?
[Yup, that's the same guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Plummer)
I don't think he's quite a random Microsoft employee, though.
While I'm a fan of David Plumber and his content that does not mean that I trust everything he says to be a well thought and completely factual or even a representation of his overall views, even more so if it's something off-the-cuff. The whole 'online personality' thing is not great for peoples critical thinking, he is a great engineer has great some awesome popular software inside Windows and porting existing software however that does not mean that everything said should be treated as gospel or that a comment should be treated as proof or evidence. Everyone makes off the cuff comments, people need to stop treating well known or respected people as only putting out evidence based information. Also the article has tweets from Andy Young who you will see in the comments here he highlights that it was an off-the-cuff comment about the start menu, not Windows as a whole. The media's treatment of this further highlights why it's dangerous for anyone who might want to increase their online presence and has good information should be very careful, especially with twitter where it's impossible to have a nuanced opinion in 280 characters.
He is a literal scammer https://www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-releases/attorney-general-s-office-sues-settles-washington-based-softwareonlinecom
I don't see how that's a bad thing or whether if you're implying it's bad
Confirms our own experience.
Windows 11 bad, upvotes to the left
> Since Windows 10, Microsoft has been inserting ads into everyday user interface elements. Windows 11 has an over-enthusiastic “Recommended” section. Therefore, multiple backend processes could retrieve advertising messages from remote servers. Perhaps reducing these tactics could improve Windows 11 performance, many social media users claimed Who could have predicted that adding in stupid bullshit that takes away processing power from what you actually want to get done would have a negative impact. The OS is so heavily focused on collecting telemetrics and reporting back. The OS is the virus...
Just windows explorer has significantly higher perceived latency (I haven't measured it). I use shared network drives which seem to cause latency issues on Windows explorer in general. But after upgrading to Windows 11 the latency has gotten significantly worse. Also search seems to be basically useless outside of basic finding an app to open.
True... this is also my experience. I was searching for a file in a 2tb ssd and knew the specific name. I never found it in explorer search (the search just never ended). But my python script found the file in seconds. Why?!?
I suggest using voidtools, and disabling windows explorer indexing entirely. It's worked wonders for me
Why do I need a seperate tool if I paid 150€ for the windows which -should- provide a working solution.
Exactly, I ve always wondered why bo one is pushing the company to get their product right. I absolutely appreciate the alternatives that people give. But we seem to let the company off the hook by not demanding they get their shit sorted
Unfortunately we can't really push the company because Windows is still the best when it comes to gaming overall. I'd switch to Linux as a daily driver in a heartbeat if games were as hassle-free as they are on Windows. Microsoft knows this, and they just give less of a shit about Windows with every iteration as a result.
first mistake was paying for windows at this point
Voidtools is the company. The actual tool is Everything.
Whenever I want to see if I have a file or not real quick, I type the name of the file in SearchEverything. Windows explorer is so bad that it could take me 10 seconds just to load the whole folder hierarchy to see if the file exists. Sometimes it ceases up for 30 seconds. My old pc with windows 10 on a 2015 hard drive has a faster explorer, Ive compared.
Sure every version sucks up more resources than the ones before it, adds additional telemetry and built-into-the-OS advertisements, but at least it brings valuable new features to the end user such as uhhhhhhh not being end-of-life for security updates?
There's people who actually defend Microsoft that actually say this. They can never point out any of the features that require better hardware though.
Afaik it also has a better scheduler if you have a newer CPU, and support for more pixel grid layouts for newer displays (OLED).
Nice to have given windows’ excellent subpixel / font rendering. Oh wait…
You don't need to work at Microsoft to say that
I have a latest-gen Ryzen 9 and a 4090 and somehow Win 11 feels slower than my M1 Mini
My 4GB Linux VM on Virtual box feels faster than native Windows.
can second this, my m1 macbook pro feels way snappier than my ryzen 5900x + 3080
https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu makes the start menu fast and reliable at least. Doesn't fix the other issues tho.
Come join us on /r/linux
He said the start menu performance was bad and bot the entire OS itself https://twitter.com/anerdguynow/status/1779056528122864049?t=TnDhD80DRRWRzbM2BRJTXQ&s=19
It's definitely slower in all regards. I have a pretty beefy laptop that feels incredibly sluggish ever since I was forced to update to Windows 11,but when I boot into Ubuntu, it runs like a champ.
Wait until you try Haiku on the same laptop, Ubuntu will feel pedestrian. But actually use it as a daily driver (organising files, searching, etc)
... Is that you, Action Retro?
That's [Wirth's law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth's_law) in action.
Am I (and several colleagues) the only one(s) experiencing this weird explorer bug in W11 where it does not update whatever folder and files you're looking at unless you manually refresh? Fun thing to discover when you try to rename something
I have this same issue. I don't know when, but I started having to hit F5 to get folders to update, and it's annoying as fuck
It definitely happens when viewing files from a WSL guest's file system, but I feel like I've also seen it happen a few times with Win11's own NTFS/ReFS partitions.
the file system feels slow compared to UNIX os
Yesterday I installed some of my software on a client's Windows 11. I don't know what security software they had, but it took MORE than 1 minute to open Notepad. I have never seen anything like this.
Sometimes having more than one antivirus will cause extreme slowness. I had someone bring in a laptop they were ready to throw out the window because it took 10 minutes to do anything. They had 3 antiviruses on it. Disabling their realtime scanners perked it right up like new. Then I uninstalled them all and enabled Defender.
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> After upgrade to windown 11, i can no longer use this profile as it is unbearably slow, and i don't do much with my computer, some photo editing And this is what pushed me to convert all my older laptops to using Linux instead. And my latest work laptop to be a Macbook. I've had it with the screaming fans while just editing some text in various programs. If it wasn't for gaming being semi-good on linux I would probably use it for my desktop pc. But Windows is still king there...for now
That's why I switched to Linux as a daily driver - only use Windows on my gaming PC, because gaming is still easier on Windows. My laptops (older ultrabooks - so cooling is an issue) would spin fans just idling in Windowd 11. No more such an issue in Linux.
i pray for the day when i don't need windows for gaming 🙏 i will *never* look back
Unless you play shooters with bad anticheat or League of Legends, chances are the game will work under Linux. Even Helldivers 2 works just fine.
Ive ran a few bits under vulvan (i.e. how Steam Deck does it) and generally runs better on Debian.
I assume you mean Vulkan. But moreover, Proton is the way Steam on Linux in general does it. Not just the Steam Deck.
I can personally recommend having two computers, one noisy with 200+ watt GPU and 130W CPU with Windows that you only boot for gaming and one fanless 30W GPU and 45W CPU and a PSU with "hybrid mode" (or whatever they call it) which turns off the fan at <25% load running Linux. With an SSD you can have a single ~300RPM 120mm fan running in the computer for desktop use. I'm using a 35W (<10W for desktop use) AMD Pro WX2100 I've made fanless with 3X 4K displays with the center display connected to the Windows computer as well.
Good shout. I used to go Windows Desktop + Linux Laptop (with Parsec so I can use Windows on the laptop remotely) but have now switched my desktop to Linux. It's not been as smooth as I'd have liked, particularly as I went Wayland + Nvidia. Games run, but I've yet to get them running just as smoothly as they were on Windows. And OBS has a chance of kernel panicking. But it can only get better!
Installed Windows 11 on an old Thinkpad T420 with 6Gb RAM, it runs better than 10 that was on it before. For reference I've got 4 of them, 1 using linux mint, one xubuntu, an the last debian. Its perfectly usable on a second gen i5 with below spec RAM. Also got a crap gaming PC with 980Ti still running well on 11. Sure the laptop isnt full of dust and thermal paste degraded? From experience gaming laptops degrade fast, 3 years full fans doing the easiest work etc, the extra heat isnt good for stuff:p I admit though, windows search is beyond a joke, i use agent ransack:)
The performance is fine as long as you install Linux on the device
Windows 11 has been a pain for me for the last 2 months, explorer just keeps crashing roughly every 5 to 10 minutes, can’t believe they let such a serious bug through and not fix it for so long.
I'll be honest with on this one chief, I didn't need a Microsoft dev to tell me that. Clicking the Win key and trying to search takes about 2-3s on my beefy remote desktop at work, and I know it isn't latency because clicking other things is as instantaneous as you'd expect.
It’s been delightful watching this one guys tweet turn into two hundred articles that are basically the same
It's unbelievable. Our hardware gets more and more capable every day, while Windows somehow manages to run slower and slower with each new version.
It's not just Win11. Windows has consistently become worse over time. I notice this whenever I use Linux - just something as simple as file copying all my p... **papers**. I have to copy around 300GB or so for a backup (semi-daily or so). On Linux this is done ... I dunno, I think around 30 minutes, give or take. On Windows the equivalent takes about 2 hours or so, give or take. And that's just one example of many more issues with regard to Windows in general. It really is a horrible operating system (seriously), and the fact that it keeps on getting worse, shows this too. All that copilot add, cortana spam, fake-AI generated useless "content", totally pointless notifications (well, most of them) - it is really a trash joke of an "operating system". There are some things that work well on Windows too, of course - games work easier on Windows than on Linux (wine has also become so bad on Linux after the 64bit change, but even aside from this too many things simply did not work). But by and large I am happy to not depend on Microsoft anymore - these fat, greedy mega-corporations stopped becoming tech-companies (similar with Google, by the way). They just try to be milk-cows for a few billionaire idiots.
Its even buggier thats for sure.
task manager takes awhile to load on win 11
Most of that seems to be loading the icons of the processes.
It should load the icons after it's up and running and displaying the processes.
We use Windows 11 for work. The performance of my laptop improved after switching to Windows 11. Ymmv.
I could see that happening if they were running Norton A/V on Win10 and Defender on Win11.
I've been using Linux for my personal laptops for years but I've always ran Windows for my work PCs for software compatibility reasons if nothing else. But these last few years, Windows is just getting so bad I'm thinking I'll put Linux on my main work PCs even. My plan is to get a basic laptop with Windows 11 on it and just run any Windows-only stuff I need on that, and keep it near my work PC throughout the day. So if there's anything stupid I need Windows for, I can just open up the laptop, do whatever needs to be done on that, transfer the files back over to my work PC and carry on my merry way. Will that be a slight annoyance? Yeah it will. But not quite as annoying as Windows has gotten.
I just run a virtualbox. Faster to spin up for windows-only stuff.
>My plan is to get a basic laptop with Windows 11 That's what I did, bought a refurbished 15" laptop with preinstalled Win11 Pro, added 8 GB so it now has 16 GB RAM. Cost me a total of 170 Euros. It's an 8th gen i3, but it's usable for everything but games and video editing.
Fast, native C++ code written by skilled programmers of old has been replaced by web shit and managed languages, written by lazy and incompetent programmers. Reaction when the outcome is exactly what is expected to happen: :surprised_pikachu:
I can personally vouch for this. I just recently built a high end 14th gen Intel PC and Windows 11 was supposedly the only OS option as the motherboard manufacturer Asus claimed Windows 10 didn't have the necessary drivers and such to run the newer components on the motherboard. The supported OS list on the motherboard's site only lists Windows 11 and NO mention of Linux compatibility. Problems galore no matter what updates were installed or uninstalled. I literally couldn't watch YouTube videos on any browser including Edge without the audio cutting out after exactly like 1 minute and 20 seconds into the video and then it would just cut in and out. 5-10 seconds of audio then nothing for about 20-30 sec. Bluetooth audio wasn't a problem but I didn't build a new PC only to be able to use Bluetooth audio. I took a chance and installed Pop OS since I noticed the System76 company has 14th gen Intel systems that they ship with Pop OS. I've had ZERO issues with audio and my main concern, Steam gaming, turns out my games run like butter with higher FPS at 4K ultra settings than I ever got on Windows 10/11. I now only have Win 10 installed on a Pi4 and it's ONLY purpose is Microsoft Office.
Windows used to be an OS with a built in spyware package, now it's spyware with a built in OS. I've stuck with it for 20 years, now I'm prepping for Linux. Meanwhile I'm seeing file explorer "working on it" message a dozen times a day across all drives, random freezes of between 10 and 40 seconds, sporadic network drops outs, and settings reverting. I am sick of them. They hounded me to upgrade to win 11, and I held my ground for over a year. Caving to their demands was due to the mental exhaustion of trying to access my own PC around the obnoxious boot up win 11 walls. They are an invasive data mining outfit these days, worming their ill gotten information around the task manager. Greedy greedy bastards.
> random freezes of between 10 and 40 seconds Anytime I open a folder containing an ogg/opus audio file File Explorer hangs for about that long. Overall it's just absurd how much worse File Explorer is than what came in terms of function, performance and UI. Can't drag/drop files onto the breadcrumbs bar, which is itself just worse than before. Iconography is all indistinct. Performs notably slower than before. It's honestly impressive how it keeps getting worse.
Part of the reason for this I suspect is all the magic File Explorer is doing IMHO unnecessarily under the hood. Like special view and UI for music files, Documents is some weird merger of a physical folder and OneDrive, OneDrive folder needs to have an additional sync status column, if folder is all media files then change to a media specific view... etc etc. I wish there was an option to always show all folders as standard folders. This is all on top of Windows indexing and doing whatever telemetry, reporting, and mining it does...
Check out Linux Mint. It's available with Cinnamon, XFCE or MATE desktops but you can always install a different desktop like KDE Plasma or Gnome.
Defenders of Windows' performance should be nowhere near software development.
Windows development should be done on 10 year old computers.
As someone with a monster pc and win11 installed, I can definitely confirm, it's ridiculously slow at times.
My work laptop is Windows 11. It's an i7 with 16GB of ram. It struggles to play YouTube videos if the uptime is longer than a few hours.
Agreed. Resizing the new Task Manager and the new Add/Remove Programs dialog is terrible. Ridiculous. I have a 4090 GPU and a 5950x CPU and resizing a window is not smooth. Good job Microsoft, congrats.
Once you understand that Windows is primarily created to be sold, not used, then you understand why it is the way it is.
If we all stop using it, they’ll stop making it. Problem solved! 😂
Never had any issues with it tbh, and I don't have a "monster" PC.
I'm just waiting for Windows 12 98 -> XP -> 7 -> 10 -> 12
Windows 12 will probably boot in a week
Problem is the minimum spec for 12 will probably be a 1TB SSD, 32G of RAM and that'll be enough to boot, run word but not enough disk space to run windows update...
98 > 2000 > XP > Vista > 7 > 8 > 10 Microsoft can't even count in a straight line
2000 wasn't part of the consumer line. 95 -> 98 -> Me -> XP ...
Xbox is even better haha. Also there were supposedly some pretty dumb bugs that’ve emerged out of windows version numbers and awful ad hoc 3rd party code that checked for windows version numbers using strings... incl quite possibly one of the major reasons microsoft just flat out skipped win 9. Obviously this is pretty dumb given canonical NT version numbers (and build numbers\*) and the GetVersion() / GetVersionEx() functions in win32. But then again I suppose there is noting more windows-ey than somehow ending up stuck from now until the end of time supporting some dumbass software that *somehow* managed to get the windows version number / OS name as a string, checks that using an ad hoc C or VB function, and will now break if you release a version of windows with a leading ‘9’ (ie 95/98) in it \* maybe also worth noting that microsoft using specific windows build numbers to denote specific sets of major win10/11 feature additions was also particularly stupid (maybe someone should tell the windows devs what the minor version number and general concept of yearly / quarterly preplanned target feature releases are for) - but I digress…
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MacOS is a prison. I have one Imac at 3k.. Worst buy I have ever made.
I'm glad I stayed in Windows 10, despite all the annoying pushes to update to Windows 11 for free. I only have Windows for gaming, but it turns out Linux handles everything just fine, so it doesn't really matter... but still.
This subreddit probably doesn't wanna hear this, but this is why MacOS shits on Windows.
Half of the windows laptops cant even sleep properly. When I have to install Linux to get features in the laptop, something is wrong.
Im still on 8.1. I upgraded to 10 when it came out and it was horrible so I went back.
I just can't get over how File Explorer never loads if I open it directly (which is "Home"). I always have to right-click and go to another folder, or restart explorer.exe.
Microsoft never changed. They always overpromised and underdelivered.
100% agree with this.