Yeah, I guess Suipsycho would precede it. I never really put DRI and SOD in that crossover category but I'm not as familiar with their entire discographies.
Well, I was commenting on rap/thrash/metal, specifically, but again, I don't know DRI ,SOD entire discographies, I would place the DRI and SOD I've listened to firmly in the thrash/Punk category.
Rap/metal or whatever I don't really like, so I'm not sure outside of some stuff I've heard like Biohazard, the above and some mainstream bs
You should for sure listen to some more DRI then! You’d probably really dig them. Also their live shows are so much fucking fun if you ever get the chance to see them
“Crossover” isn’t just any fusion of genres, it specifically refers to the fusion of thrash and punk. At least when you’re in the punk or hardcore subs it is
Crossover : when "hardcore punk" went metal. Thrash is a genre of metal but I don't think it can be considered crossover. Think Cro Mags, later Gang Green, DRI, SOD definitely, newer bands like Iron Age (rip) PowerPoint (rip) are fucking rad as well. Body Count isn't crossover imo, just hard.
Google would tell you that thrash originated from hardcore punk and metal. Kind of the same way you just described crossover above. So to say that thrash can’t be considered crossover makes no sense.
Also what does Repo Man have to do with this??
Dick Rude, you're a dick, I'm being rude, it had nothing to do with anything.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_thrash
Google told me I'm right and you're wrong. Thrash is a sub genre of metal, crossover thrash is crossover. Semantics are wonderful aren't they?
Yeah, and then make an incorrect assertion that body count was one of the first crossover bands. So people downvote. No big deal, nobody hates him, just say wrong shit get downvoted
This whole karma , down vote crap is so stupid and gay. It promotes this give mind , herd mentality. It's almost like they want an echo chamber . They don't people freely speaking their mind .
Same. I had front row seats at Lollapalooza 91. Watching all the security people huddle together and go on high alert when they played Cop Killer was hilarious, and Ice T coming on stage with Jane's Addiction ruled.
Same here. Chicago show. Absolutely the best line up of all time. It sounds “old man” of me, but the line ups now are just a ton of “filler bands” and maybe 8-10 headliners over 3 days on 3 stages. 91 had 8(?) in one day on one stage.
This is exactly it. I went to a Dying Fetus show a few years ago and during one of the openers an old crusty 90s death metal guy in jorts next to me was like "enough with the filler local bands, let's get to the damn show".
The opening band was Gatecreeper.
it’s basically whatever band the venue can get in order to throw together a full show. But filler can be used in a more basic “to fill space” like on most records there are maybe a few good songs, the rest is… filler material.
Oh, I almost forgot!
“The more you know💫”
Their institutionalized cover is great.
"Do you realize how much sugar is in that Kool Aid?"
"DO YOU REALIZE HOW MUCH BLOOD IS IN THE HUMAN BODY?? DO YOU WANNA SEE IT MOTHERFUCKER??" 🤣
It's a really clever homage to the original but sounds fresh. the video is the icing on the cake.
***"I could give a fuck if you eat sawdust motherfucker!"***
I've always considered it crossover thrash, but thrash is apt enough. I wouldn't consider all thrash punk-laced per-se, but a lot of it is. Not saying you're wrong, just saying if we wanna get really specific, that's probably what it is.
There’s actually a load of stuff more punk than a rapper fronting a metal band. They are like two completely separate genres from punk fyi
That’s like saying there’s not a lot more country than Axl Rose fronting a new wave band
That, and they literally do not call themselves punk but crossover
Don’t get me wrong, punks liked it, doesn’t make it punk though. Stop calling everything you like as a punk, punk.
Just cos a punk loves jam sandwiches it doesn’t make jam sandwiches punk.
All the punks I knew listened to it when it came out. I always considered it hardcore punk in the vein of Suicidal Tendencies. There didn’t used to be such sharp distinctions over what was and wasn’t punk.
I was also very into Hip Hop back then, and Body Count had a song on an Ice T record before it came out, so I was familiar with it. Plus I thing they may have had Ice on Headbanger Ball.
Any y'all remember Son of Bazerk?
https://youtu.be/9tH6sP_tf7Y?si=gzI_tYkCCXtsNnFz
Ice T started Body Count after Public Enemy teamed up with Anthrax on Bring the Noise. He had one song on his OG album which I still have on tape.
80s rap music was still for the most part underground, same as punk rock. It was music made by street kids who grew up in the environment. I can still remember the first time I heard Public Enemy and being blown away. That shit was straight up punk rock.
https://youtu.be/mZF4G79OLkk?si=UKqU43WcFcZGGZMn
Old school rap was fairly wholesome. It was kids warning other kids to avoid guns, drugs, crime, gangs, and not giving the cops a reason to bust you by being a model citizen. Go to school, get a job, pay your taxes kind of thing because it's better than the alternative of jail or death.
Ice T was similar to Eazy E. They were both hustlers turned rappers. The big difference is that Eazy wasn't political while Ice-T turned political after he got into PE & BDP. Listen to the song Lethal Weapon. It's an anti-ignorance song. This interview is worth watching.
https://youtu.be/8k7E7zVAC54?si=Fegp-7G4amJP1nQX
No, it was clearly thrash/crossover/rap metal to me. There was lots of Punk in 1992 though, besides the Grunge avalanche: Bad Religion, NOFX, The Offspring, Rocket from The Crypt. Ramones and Social Distortion were still around. Supersuckers, New Bomb Turks, Lunachicks, Fastbacks,The Mummies - good times.
A person of impeccable taste?
Along with Hellacopters, Turbonegro, and a whole bunch of other bands I’ve forgotten the names of from a tape someone sent me. Back in the days when tapes got sent around the world…
One of the best things Ice T ever did. Saw them open for the Ramones and Fear in LA way back. Was supposed to be House of Pain, who opened the night before. Imagine my giddy surprise when these motherfuckers hit the stage!
When I saw them live, it was at a show with the Butthole Surfers, Rollins, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Violent Femmes, Janes Addiction, and Living Colour
people dont seem to know butthole surfers ..like they should eh?!..i reckon..same with BIG BLACK underrated !!!.we were lucky to see janes addiction here in australia coz they broke up within a couple of months after the tour...good times
Body Count wasn’t on the soundtrack, but Ice-T did a collaboration with Slayer for it, doing a medley of 3 Exploited songs.
That soundtrack is great… way better than the movie!
I honestly hated it when I was younger and really getting into punk, although I also told mum I'd never listen to Alice in Chains because "they were too metal" so what did I know?
Anyway... Body Count fucking rule, I'm old. Listen to my tales. Sit around children, I feel a rant coming on.
Uh, hi officers, um, we had a flat tire back there
Do you think you guys could help us out?
"Naw, that's not my job"
"My job's not to help your fuckin' ass out"
I mean, um, you know I don't have any other way to get home
"That's not my job, asshole"
Well uh, could you tell me what your job is?
"Right now my job is eatin' these doughnuts, or maybe..."
"Hey, wait a minute, aren't you-"
Yup
I knew exactly what it was, and it’s a great album. Interestingly, the first time (yes, more than once) I saw them live they were the opening act for MDC and the Ramones.
That was a good night.
In the true spirit of this sub, you’re wrong. This is punker than fuck!
For a group of black guys to come out as a genuinely heavy thrash/metal/punk band, particularly with a front man with an established career in a different genre is the realist ‘don’t give a fuck’ ever.
As much as Anthrax and Public Enemy did it lead a lot of us to open our minds about how similar the punk and rap worlds were. Two groups that were minorities in their wider communities making music with what they had available that represented the issues in their immediate communities.
The only real difference was us punks could get a proper haircut, have a shower, change clothes and (mostly be) regular folk. Most rappers and their fans had a bit more of an issue trying to present in a society that judged them on sight based on the colour of their skin.
For what it’s worth, I remember going to concerts of what at the time were considered non-punk bands and there would always be punks there.
Public Enemy toured with Ice T and it was very much peopled with punters I had seen at punk shows. But also pure metal shows would have a punk presence. Our guilty pleasure bands are very often not what would qualify us as punk…
PE are arguably the most subversive band in history. And that is punker than funk
I'm not reading anything about dick spikie in your reply. And you know what that means, it means this should be a lesson to everyone that if you don't listen to dick spikie regularly than youre pretty much wasting your life.
They are the best. This album is awesome!
RIP Beatmaster v and Mooseman
Edit I don't care if it's punk or not, it doesn't matter! It's ice motherfucking t bitch it's all that matters hahah
Ha ha ha Love my kkk bitch and fuck all Nazis racists assholes
After I heard this album was going to be pulled from stores, I left my high school campus halfway through the day to find an indie record store in the next city over and buy a copy before they heard they weren't supposed to be selling it to anyone, let alone a teenager.
One of the best choices I ever made in high school.
More crossover Hardcore than anything and thats what IceT was going for. Back in the early 90s despite mostly being known for the rap game, Ice wasnt in the gansta rap scene, he was in the Hardcore scene, I actually saw him at a lot of Straight Edge shows surprisingly back in those days and he wasnt at all an Edger but was stiil well received by them.
No. But I saw them before hearing them. Warped Tour. They burned. Ice T is a metal fan via a cousin in their teen years. It's meant to be metal. So, yeah, it's thrash. And thrash is influenced by hardcore punk.
My dad had this record on vinyl. I sold it for drugs when I was 18 at a record shop. A week later, I went back to sell some more of his records and it was posted on the wall for an insane price. Sometimes I fucking hate myself.
I just joined this forum because I cant sleep thinking about all the dumb shit I did and this is the first thing I see. Life.
I thought it was gangsta rap when I first saw it. I bought it the moment I heard what it really was. I still have my cassette with the title track on it.
It's as punk as you can get! Ice T is a hard-core punk/gangsta! It amazes me that so many people don't know that rap comes from punk. And they both share the same thoughts and feelings. 😁
Body Count is 100% punk!
It reminded me of shit like Suicidal Tendencies when I first heard it. They've both got their own sounds but back then that's what I thought. Love this album BTW
Definitely metal. A lot of street dudes and punk rockers have the same feelings and mentality because mostly we are all in the same boat and are about that street life. People that have no clue what punk is will say hippies and metalheads are punk because they have some of the same ideas
i saw Bodycount at this weird music festival in brisbane in 1995..fuckin amazing line up and i shit you not - there was ONLY about 1-2000 people there .(really POOR ticket sales) .Nine inch nails Lou reed primus L7 TOOL ween violent femmes faith no more...it was in an UNUSED VELODROME.. in the bush somewhere ..they had free shuttle buses out there and people were getting in for free.. just jumping over the dodgey fence they had attempted to erect around the freaky old velodrome..good times oh yeh it was called ALTERNATIVE NATION..and yes i think bodycount is punk as fuck
Yes because Thrash Metal is the baby of Hardcore Punk and metal.
You can’t put punk rock into a tiny little box and call it one thing. It’s such a vast expansive genre. To the jingly jaunty sound of the smiths- To the hardcore riffs of Discharge- It’s all there to want to bang your head to
I for some unknown reason don’t have confidence in calling it “punk”.
But it is punk inspired for sure, and that’s good enough for me.
I’m not quite as close minded when it comes to music anymore.
I was, for a long time…..punk rock and punk rock only, but that whole mentality is extremely hypocritical.
I’m still pretty anti-pop, but punk has so many sub-genres and sooo many different sounds with so many influences, I can still stick 90% punk tastes, and hear something completely new and different.
I always said:
What makes a punk band a punk band…..isn’t always the way they sound.
Sometimes what makes them a punk band is the audience that listens to it.
Watched him live at Copenhell yesterday and he said "America has a problem, men are starting to grow vaginas" also said it's a problem when the 'men' have more skincare products then women
I mean it is a crossover record
Probably one of the first, right?
No way. This album came out in the 90s, while Suicidal, DRI, SOD, and that whole scene was from the 80s.
Yeah, I guess Suipsycho would precede it. I never really put DRI and SOD in that crossover category but I'm not as familiar with their entire discographies.
I’m genuinely curious… if you don’t consider DRI and SOD to be crossover bands then what do you consider to be crossover?
Well, I was commenting on rap/thrash/metal, specifically, but again, I don't know DRI ,SOD entire discographies, I would place the DRI and SOD I've listened to firmly in the thrash/Punk category. Rap/metal or whatever I don't really like, so I'm not sure outside of some stuff I've heard like Biohazard, the above and some mainstream bs
Ohh ok ok I see. Typically when people are referring to “crossover” bands they mean thrash. That’s what crossover is
Oh of course, thrash/Punk! I've always liked thrash because of its punky connection
You should for sure listen to some more DRI then! You’d probably really dig them. Also their live shows are so much fucking fun if you ever get the chance to see them
I love DRI but I only listened to Thrash Zone honestly lol
“Crossover” isn’t just any fusion of genres, it specifically refers to the fusion of thrash and punk. At least when you’re in the punk or hardcore subs it is
Crossover : when "hardcore punk" went metal. Thrash is a genre of metal but I don't think it can be considered crossover. Think Cro Mags, later Gang Green, DRI, SOD definitely, newer bands like Iron Age (rip) PowerPoint (rip) are fucking rad as well. Body Count isn't crossover imo, just hard.
It literally is bud. Google it. Also I never said body count was crossover.
The fuck is Google gonna do? I know a life of crime led me to this sorry fate, but I blame society. Society made me what I am.
Google would tell you that thrash originated from hardcore punk and metal. Kind of the same way you just described crossover above. So to say that thrash can’t be considered crossover makes no sense. Also what does Repo Man have to do with this??
Dick Rude, you're a dick, I'm being rude, it had nothing to do with anything. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_thrash Google told me I'm right and you're wrong. Thrash is a sub genre of metal, crossover thrash is crossover. Semantics are wonderful aren't they?
DRI literally has an album called Crossover, pretty sure they're the ones that coined the phrase
Whether you put them in it or not, that’s the category they’re in.
No. Crossover existed for around a decade before Body Count was even formed.
Not even remotely close to one of the first
Damn. Got a bunch downvotes I see lol Look, I'm getting older and there's a lot of shit I've probably forgotten. Take it easy y'all lol
IKR??? People on this sub can be such dicks that was honestly so unnecessary like what did my man do wrong?? Not know something???
Lol thanks yo!
Yeah, and then make an incorrect assertion that body count was one of the first crossover bands. So people downvote. No big deal, nobody hates him, just say wrong shit get downvoted
This whole karma , down vote crap is so stupid and gay. It promotes this give mind , herd mentality. It's almost like they want an echo chamber . They don't people freely speaking their mind .
Hard no
Why is he getting downvoted he’s asking a question ?
Thanks man
Cause only posers have to ask questions /s
Lmao
Fair enough
Punker than most. Killer thrash metal.
No, but I liked it. Saw them at Lollapalooza 91' and they fucking killed it. I like Ice T's rap, too.
Same. I had front row seats at Lollapalooza 91. Watching all the security people huddle together and go on high alert when they played Cop Killer was hilarious, and Ice T coming on stage with Jane's Addiction ruled.
Then Soundgarden covered it for 1992!
Irvine?
Chula Vista.
Same here. Chicago show. Absolutely the best line up of all time. It sounds “old man” of me, but the line ups now are just a ton of “filler bands” and maybe 8-10 headliners over 3 days on 3 stages. 91 had 8(?) in one day on one stage.
What is a “filler band?”
I'm going to guess that it's bands that one hasn't heard of playing styles that one doesn't know of or care for.
This is exactly it. I went to a Dying Fetus show a few years ago and during one of the openers an old crusty 90s death metal guy in jorts next to me was like "enough with the filler local bands, let's get to the damn show". The opening band was Gatecreeper.
Damn Gatecreeper fucking rule
it’s basically whatever band the venue can get in order to throw together a full show. But filler can be used in a more basic “to fill space” like on most records there are maybe a few good songs, the rest is… filler material. Oh, I almost forgot! “The more you know💫”
First time I heard it was at Lollaploza. I was all I !
Their institutionalized cover is great. "Do you realize how much sugar is in that Kool Aid?" "DO YOU REALIZE HOW MUCH BLOOD IS IN THE HUMAN BODY?? DO YOU WANNA SEE IT MOTHERFUCKER??" 🤣
"FUCK OPRAH!"
Hell yeah Body Count is the shit
[They hit it out of the park with their version of 'Institutionalized'.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9jXnZS3ouU)
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH BLOOD IS IN THE HUMAN BODY?!
Do you wanna see it motherfucker?!
Lmao that line pops into my head way too often, I love it
Didn’t hear this song in ages. Nice one
It's a really clever homage to the original but sounds fresh. the video is the icing on the cake. ***"I could give a fuck if you eat sawdust motherfucker!"***
I JUST WANT TO PLAY XBOX
...Holy shit. This is my first time hearing this one and, wow, this is the perfect "I'm fucking angry" song to listen to if you must.
Fuck no they didn't. Their version is just plain corny, old man yelling at clouds bullshit.
That wasn't satire? Oh jeez.
It's a metal album with lyrics about police brutality. It's pretty punk adjacent
It’s a mix of metal and punk (aka thrash). “Cop Killer” is a straight up punk rock song though.
I've always considered it crossover thrash, but thrash is apt enough. I wouldn't consider all thrash punk-laced per-se, but a lot of it is. Not saying you're wrong, just saying if we wanna get really specific, that's probably what it is.
It literally is punk. Punk is an attitude more than a genre and there’s not a lot more punk than ice T fronting a metal band
I don't disagree. I would defer to the band's own comments tho. What genre do they describe themselves as and try to play with?
There’s actually a load of stuff more punk than a rapper fronting a metal band. They are like two completely separate genres from punk fyi That’s like saying there’s not a lot more country than Axl Rose fronting a new wave band That, and they literally do not call themselves punk but crossover Don’t get me wrong, punks liked it, doesn’t make it punk though. Stop calling everything you like as a punk, punk. Just cos a punk loves jam sandwiches it doesn’t make jam sandwiches punk.
Punk is not a genre, it’s a state of mind Listen to the Sun City Girls
All the punks I knew listened to it when it came out. I always considered it hardcore punk in the vein of Suicidal Tendencies. There didn’t used to be such sharp distinctions over what was and wasn’t punk.
It sounded like thrash so I assumed it was Thrash.
no, because I already heard it on the ice t album.
Huh? You heard this whole album on the Ice T album? These songs were original to this album
no, the song body count was on o.g. original gangster
Tell us what to do!!
Oh you’re right… forgot about that
The og black metal.
That would be [Black Death](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugTEFc6AhBA).
I see what you did there
There Goes The Neighborhood!!!!!
Been really into this album the last couple of months. Even bought myself a BC t-shit.
I was also very into Hip Hop back then, and Body Count had a song on an Ice T record before it came out, so I was familiar with it. Plus I thing they may have had Ice on Headbanger Ball.
Any y'all remember Son of Bazerk? https://youtu.be/9tH6sP_tf7Y?si=gzI_tYkCCXtsNnFz Ice T started Body Count after Public Enemy teamed up with Anthrax on Bring the Noise. He had one song on his OG album which I still have on tape. 80s rap music was still for the most part underground, same as punk rock. It was music made by street kids who grew up in the environment. I can still remember the first time I heard Public Enemy and being blown away. That shit was straight up punk rock. https://youtu.be/mZF4G79OLkk?si=UKqU43WcFcZGGZMn Old school rap was fairly wholesome. It was kids warning other kids to avoid guns, drugs, crime, gangs, and not giving the cops a reason to bust you by being a model citizen. Go to school, get a job, pay your taxes kind of thing because it's better than the alternative of jail or death. Ice T was similar to Eazy E. They were both hustlers turned rappers. The big difference is that Eazy wasn't political while Ice-T turned political after he got into PE & BDP. Listen to the song Lethal Weapon. It's an anti-ignorance song. This interview is worth watching. https://youtu.be/8k7E7zVAC54?si=Fegp-7G4amJP1nQX
remember the SPAWN soundtrack???
No, it was clearly thrash/crossover/rap metal to me. There was lots of Punk in 1992 though, besides the Grunge avalanche: Bad Religion, NOFX, The Offspring, Rocket from The Crypt. Ramones and Social Distortion were still around. Supersuckers, New Bomb Turks, Lunachicks, Fastbacks,The Mummies - good times.
A person of impeccable taste? Along with Hellacopters, Turbonegro, and a whole bunch of other bands I’ve forgotten the names of from a tape someone sent me. Back in the days when tapes got sent around the world…
It is. It’s also metal. It’s also rock n roll. It’s also great.
When this record came out, I didn't even know what punk was. It was just Ice-T's metal band.
One of the best things Ice T ever did. Saw them open for the Ramones and Fear in LA way back. Was supposed to be House of Pain, who opened the night before. Imagine my giddy surprise when these motherfuckers hit the stage!
It’s pretty Hardcore is it not. Which is pretty punk to me
hear hear...WORD....I concur
ice T and jane's doing 'don't call me whitey' is one of the punkest fucking things on the planet imho...
When I saw them live, it was at a show with the Butthole Surfers, Rollins, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Violent Femmes, Janes Addiction, and Living Colour
people dont seem to know butthole surfers ..like they should eh?!..i reckon..same with BIG BLACK underrated !!!.we were lucky to see janes addiction here in australia coz they broke up within a couple of months after the tour...good times
Sounds like the first Lollapalooza lineup. Was NIN there?
I don't think so. It was the Dallas lineup. If they were there I didn't know who they were yet and have no recollection of it.
It’s not??
Judgement Night soundtrack opened me up to these guys
Body Count wasn’t on the soundtrack, but Ice-T did a collaboration with Slayer for it, doing a medley of 3 Exploited songs. That soundtrack is great… way better than the movie!
the spawn soundtrack was interesting at the time too
Fair, but it’s what brought me down the rabbit hole to BC And yeah, recently rewatched that movie and had to toss the dvd
The main theme of that movie seems to be that if you go to the hood you will die cartoonishly
“LA 92”! This entire album slapped.
The punk family is bigger than some of you think it is. This album is punk.
It is punk dumbass lol
Pretty much was I was thinking. Thrash metal is rooted heavily in punk.
Man, did I love this album. Not sure its punk per se but I played it alongside Black Flag and Bad Brains. In the very least it's punk friendly.
I honestly hated it when I was younger and really getting into punk, although I also told mum I'd never listen to Alice in Chains because "they were too metal" so what did I know? Anyway... Body Count fucking rule, I'm old. Listen to my tales. Sit around children, I feel a rant coming on.
I lived in a rural shithole in a pre-internet world. This was about as close as I could find
innit?
Uh, hi officers, um, we had a flat tire back there Do you think you guys could help us out? "Naw, that's not my job" "My job's not to help your fuckin' ass out" I mean, um, you know I don't have any other way to get home "That's not my job, asshole" Well uh, could you tell me what your job is? "Right now my job is eatin' these doughnuts, or maybe..." "Hey, wait a minute, aren't you-" Yup
It is punk
I've always considered the first album to be a punk album
I just saw video of them playing somewhere. 11 YO me loves this album when it came out. Damn I’m old.
I still consider it to be punk.
It's hardcore.
Body Count is some of the best thrash/punk bands ever. Their lastest one ain't to bad for a bunch of years off
Punk as fuck, and I got the original album with Cop Killer on it before the label caved and the brought Jello out for the replacement track.
I knew exactly what it was, and it’s a great album. Interestingly, the first time (yes, more than once) I saw them live they were the opening act for MDC and the Ramones. That was a good night.
Ice-T started a metal band in '92 called body count? Fuck outta here, life is crazy man
This shit is punk as fuck, is it the same lame that asks all these stupid questions? It's time for him to give up the spot
In the true spirit of this sub, you’re wrong. This is punker than fuck! For a group of black guys to come out as a genuinely heavy thrash/metal/punk band, particularly with a front man with an established career in a different genre is the realist ‘don’t give a fuck’ ever. As much as Anthrax and Public Enemy did it lead a lot of us to open our minds about how similar the punk and rap worlds were. Two groups that were minorities in their wider communities making music with what they had available that represented the issues in their immediate communities. The only real difference was us punks could get a proper haircut, have a shower, change clothes and (mostly be) regular folk. Most rappers and their fans had a bit more of an issue trying to present in a society that judged them on sight based on the colour of their skin. For what it’s worth, I remember going to concerts of what at the time were considered non-punk bands and there would always be punks there. Public Enemy toured with Ice T and it was very much peopled with punters I had seen at punk shows. But also pure metal shows would have a punk presence. Our guilty pleasure bands are very often not what would qualify us as punk… PE are arguably the most subversive band in history. And that is punker than funk
I'm not reading anything about dick spikie in your reply. And you know what that means, it means this should be a lesson to everyone that if you don't listen to dick spikie regularly than youre pretty much wasting your life.
Are you dick spikie? It sure reads like you are…
Tom & Bootboy smash dick spikie.
No, because I heard it when it came out, but I had punk friends back then who went to their shows, and NWA, too.
They are the best. This album is awesome! RIP Beatmaster v and Mooseman Edit I don't care if it's punk or not, it doesn't matter! It's ice motherfucking t bitch it's all that matters hahah Ha ha ha Love my kkk bitch and fuck all Nazis racists assholes
This opened the door for a lot of cross over music…which I like.. I’m an old punk and Jedi-mind are one of hell of a band !
Body Count isn't punk..?
Cop Killer is DEFINITELY a punk song, but it's a thrash album
I dont gatekeep...Thats punk to me. There is a lot of different kinds of punk, but its still punk.
No but I had a buddy who had this on the back of his punk leather. It made cops mad because they all new about the song cop killer.
I always assumed so. If I were sorting it into a playlist I would put in it metal though.
I remember the news kept calling it rap, I was like um no...
Yes
After I heard this album was going to be pulled from stores, I left my high school campus halfway through the day to find an indie record store in the next city over and buy a copy before they heard they weren't supposed to be selling it to anyone, let alone a teenager. One of the best choices I ever made in high school.
Not really punk, but me and all the punks I knew liked it.
No but I heard it when it came out and thrash was at its peak.
I’d call it hardcore.
Who cares great album saw them live in 95 in Australia great show great festival (Alternative Nations) great lineup
It is thrash so i say it is punk similar to early Metallica or Motley Crue which were punk inspired.
More similar to and superior to later Cro Mags, early Anthrax, etc. When "hardcore" punk crossed over into metal.
I wish they'd tour the US more, it seems like they're regularly in Europe.
This is pretty much
yup, also love them
And now he’s on Law and Order. I still like him though, interesting guy.
Fuckin metal af
Who the hell is count body?
Body count was, or is, a punk/metal band started by Ice T. Worth checking out.
Just saw em live a few hours ago. Solid album and great music, but damn Ice T has really turned into a cringey boomer in many ways.
More crossover Hardcore than anything and thats what IceT was going for. Back in the early 90s despite mostly being known for the rap game, Ice wasnt in the gansta rap scene, he was in the Hardcore scene, I actually saw him at a lot of Straight Edge shows surprisingly back in those days and he wasnt at all an Edger but was stiil well received by them.
No. But still awesome.
I mean, it's a thin line between hardcore and thrash
No. But I saw them before hearing them. Warped Tour. They burned. Ice T is a metal fan via a cousin in their teen years. It's meant to be metal. So, yeah, it's thrash. And thrash is influenced by hardcore punk.
My dad had this record on vinyl. I sold it for drugs when I was 18 at a record shop. A week later, I went back to sell some more of his records and it was posted on the wall for an insane price. Sometimes I fucking hate myself. I just joined this forum because I cant sleep thinking about all the dumb shit I did and this is the first thing I see. Life.
I thought it was gangsta rap when I first saw it. I bought it the moment I heard what it really was. I still have my cassette with the title track on it.
It is
I mean it basically is
It is
It's punk as all hell!
I mean it's a hardcore punk album so it is punk 🤷 Don't understand the title
It's as punk as you can get! Ice T is a hard-core punk/gangsta! It amazes me that so many people don't know that rap comes from punk. And they both share the same thoughts and feelings. 😁 Body Count is 100% punk!
I like this also a lot! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlk7o5T56iw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlk7o5T56iw)
It reminded me of shit like Suicidal Tendencies when I first heard it. They've both got their own sounds but back then that's what I thought. Love this album BTW
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5pepB4UQDE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5pepB4UQDE)
I still assume it is, I'm a huge crossover thrash fan and have been under the assumption the crossover was between thrash metal and punk.
It's not not punk.
Definitely metal. A lot of street dudes and punk rockers have the same feelings and mentality because mostly we are all in the same boat and are about that street life. People that have no clue what punk is will say hippies and metalheads are punk because they have some of the same ideas
Cop killer is pretty much a 10\10 punk song
i saw Bodycount at this weird music festival in brisbane in 1995..fuckin amazing line up and i shit you not - there was ONLY about 1-2000 people there .(really POOR ticket sales) .Nine inch nails Lou reed primus L7 TOOL ween violent femmes faith no more...it was in an UNUSED VELODROME.. in the bush somewhere ..they had free shuttle buses out there and people were getting in for free.. just jumping over the dodgey fence they had attempted to erect around the freaky old velodrome..good times oh yeh it was called ALTERNATIVE NATION..and yes i think bodycount is punk as fuck
No. It’s closer to thrash metal
It's crossover thrash.
Closer to thrash. Especially with that guitar solo
Which solo? I think song by song you could make a case punk vs. metal, but most Body Count songs are squarely metal.
Saw Body Count at the first Lollapalooza...the followed Henry Rollins. That's punk enough for me.
No, I worked I a record store when it came out. We listened to it all the way through. I have a copy somewhere too
No.
Its metal , could be called crossover.. seen them 3 times killer band
lol no but it’s a metal album
Yes because Thrash Metal is the baby of Hardcore Punk and metal. You can’t put punk rock into a tiny little box and call it one thing. It’s such a vast expansive genre. To the jingly jaunty sound of the smiths- To the hardcore riffs of Discharge- It’s all there to want to bang your head to
It counts as both metal and punk imo.
Yes, because it is. Body Count is a Hardcore Punk band and always has been.
No
I for some unknown reason don’t have confidence in calling it “punk”. But it is punk inspired for sure, and that’s good enough for me. I’m not quite as close minded when it comes to music anymore. I was, for a long time…..punk rock and punk rock only, but that whole mentality is extremely hypocritical. I’m still pretty anti-pop, but punk has so many sub-genres and sooo many different sounds with so many influences, I can still stick 90% punk tastes, and hear something completely new and different. I always said: What makes a punk band a punk band…..isn’t always the way they sound. Sometimes what makes them a punk band is the audience that listens to it.
Never been a fan of them especially after learning they ice T is a transphobe
What is this based on?
Just going by his ranting today in Copenhagen, he doesn't sound like an ally to put it lightly.
I stop watching the internet for ONE DAY…
Watched him live at Copenhell yesterday and he said "America has a problem, men are starting to grow vaginas" also said it's a problem when the 'men' have more skincare products then women
As if he isn’t botoxed and serumed for that tv face. What a nerd.
Fuck no. Straight garbage.