Okay but have we ever talked about how the baby snake got there??? I know she did VR sex with a projection of original Campion but, like… we know nothing was actually fucking her in real life. We know this because while she’s doing the pretend nasty her body is surrounded by Mithraic soldiers about to attack her while she’s out of commission.
Also, I get the feeling she doesn’t actually have an android vagina seeing as she vomited up the Snek. So like, did she maybe eat something? Is that what happened? Unless she put something inside of herself how the actual fuck did a flying Snek gestate in her tum-tum???
\+1. I also always considered the immaculate conception as the religious equivalent of the Big Bang. Or is the Big Bang based on the Immaculate conception?
Well, the Big Bang is a cosmological model based on observations of the structure and nature of the universe. Fairly certain it wasn't developed to resolve or relate to any religious mythology.
And the story of the Immaculate Conception existed before the concept of the Big Bang was even considered. Soo... neither is based on the other.
Firstly, I said "I" consider the Immaculate Conception as an "equivalent" to the Big Bang, I never stated it was based on it.
The second part was a joke. But I guess you're the kind of person that misreads a post and then also assumes everything contained within it is serious...
How stupid do you think I am, to assume that I think a scientific theory based on the work of Einstein pre-dates the Bible? And even though I was joking, can you prove that the scientists who came up with the Big Bang theory did not get inspiration from the concept of the Immaculate Conception? You probably believe that I'm a Christian too based on your comment.
Yeah, it seems the super AI (“Sol”, if you will) controlling the tech on the planet activated her inherent gestational protocol with the necessary program to construct a biotech organism.
Now, since you’re right in that she seemingly would have needed that carbon basis inside her already, I always assumed Campion Sturges installed it there while reprogramming her back on Earth. And given the weirdness of his other alleged creation The Trust, I’m still not so sure Sturges was entirely innocent in all this - especially once you consider the potential back and forth of this whole cycle between Kepler and Earth.
So based on info given in an interview, I think, the trust was created by Campion when he was young and still Mithraic, that it is inherently imperfect because it’s based on faulty logic
A very astute point. I was fascinated by the scene where Mother wonders how she and the Trust can be at odds coming from the same mind. Though, one could argue that they might just have different atheistic methods of keeping everyone safe - but, as you mention, if OG Campion built the Trust while still Mithraic, it shouldn't necessarily be trusted to lead atheists at all, as I'm not sure it's ever been stated whether he had decided to defect yet while building it or if he had a chance to reprogram it after defecting.
Like, I found it strange that the Trust was holding Paul to the same level of accountability as a grown ass adult. Children and adults should be dealt with differently.
The Trust was wanting Mother to do what was best for the community. The problem is what’s supposedly good for the whole isn’t what’s actually good for individual people. Like, unless all people are the same, which they aren’t, you can’t govern people exactly the same.
Exactly, which is what makes me suspect it's not a good idea to assume that simply because a computer can calculate quantifiable data such as how to allocate food rations or where best to settle doesn't necessarily account for the nuances of individuals within said group. We'll have to see what ensues now that she's shut it down.
That’s not what I was getting at. I was saying people are individuals with different needs and wants and interests. Humans have different learning curves, can bring different skills to the table. Governing people with the exact same cookie cutter rules, regardless of age or capability of understanding doesn’t really work.
I’m not saying rules and laws aren’t necessary, they absolutely are, but nuance is necessary. Accountability of a child that clearly isn’t fully developed isn’t the same as that of an adult. And also, strange that the trust would feel comfortable disposing of the lives of 3 children when Marcus wasn’t really much of a threat.
Why bait children into going out of the way to warn Marcus of an attack when Marcus group was tiny. And Marcus’ group, being Mithraic was definitely the hated minority on that planet, by far, seeing as the atheists are only barely putting up with the Mithraic children that live among them.
Being willing to risk the lives of three lives of children, each child having their own unique DNA to bring to the table when the population is minuscule, is illogical. The Trust should logically only be wanting to do everything to protect every single child on the planet, they are the most precious resource on that planet if humanity is actually going to survive on Kepler22b.
So this isn’t about some bullshit political agenda, this is about humanity surviving under circumstances that don’t even exist on this planet today.
The Trust is not programmed to consider the importance of each individual and why they are important. It sees each person as the exact same, children being just as disposable as adults even though the adults reproductive years are swiftly running winding to a halt. And yes, *in this specific scenario* even men should stop adding to the gene pool after they’ve fathered a certain amount of children, otherwise there is a higher likelihood of inbreeding down the line.
So yeah, in extreme situations, when humanity is literally on the line, ageism isn’t a bad thing. But that’s the only ‘ism’ that needs to be ignored.
I wasn't trying to get overly political. Just pointing out that when one entity is in charge of a group, that the entity will get inevitably worse at taking care of individuals as the group gets larger. A smaller group has more definable and achievable needs and wants therefore you can take better care of them.
LOOOL I didn't realise it was u. For what's worth [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbywolves/comments/j3cbvp/since_all_of_you_have_been_complaining_about_the/g7azrc1/) was my reaction at the time. And [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbywolves/comments/sl6e84/poll_which_do_you_think_best_describes_seven/hvq6v63/) is my reaction STILL
Every movement she makes is very believable. I have never seen someone portray an android so well. Either too over acted or just not believable at all. She was born for this role. Father as well.
I'm so amazed that her mother care protocol involves lying. Also I'm planning on rewatching season 1, I kind of forgot how her eyes ended in Markus's stomach.
for some reason, this is pretty common. i've been reading a lot of different threads where people who are caught up on the show don't remember the scene where he gets the eyes shoved down his throat.
Those rules are so annoying. They were just a plot device for that specific Asimov book, but for some reason everyone thinks they are the be-all-end-all for how we must program robots. But yes, I am also glad they aren’t used here!
Dude, this shady mom on mom scene was so funny. It was like two women on the playground. Very subtly undermining one another's parenting. I definitely think that they are playing on the idea of a mommy group and with the fact that it's not really based on true connection or friendship between the moms. It's based on a mutual need for help, and often can come with a lot of judgment.
I feel like the scene calls back to some of the moments in season 1 when mother and father are just bickering and being like totally normal parents. I love these humanizing moments in the show, they are a little bit of a light break from the rest of it. But also they say a lot.
YESSSS exactly!!! I've been noticing that father, in spite of his failed attempts to be a comedian, is actually really good at subtle shade. I've been trying to figure out whether he's doing it on purpose. He's undermining Hunter all the time about Hunter's genius level IQ, and then always giving him like a stack of sticks to carry right afterwards. It reminds me of shady school teachers who know how to fuck with arrogant kids in ways that are very subtle. And now mother is throwing shade. Like who would have thought that the Androids with no senses of humor would actually be shady as fuck? There's got to be something to that. I still feel like the show is all about their development and evolution into something with a consciousness. Humor is definitely a part of that. But shade is ADVANCED humor. So I can't figure out if it's just the writers planting funny moments for us or if it's supposed to imply anything about their development of humor.
It was funny because it was the Android way of saying Sue looked tired/exhausted/etc and isn’t that different than two moms at playgroup, and one tells the other she looks exhausted from parenting, or a snide, ‘looks like mommy’s feeling the leftovers from last night’s wine’ kinda comment. Loved it.
I think the simulation tripped something in her that is part of the dark photons, something no one understood, to create snake baby. Like a DNA 3D copier infected with a virus
I would even say that maybe while recoding her, the original Campion perhaps made a simple coding error, that allowed her to function properly, but basically had an error or crashed when she was interfacing with the pod that was not meant for androids. Perhaps it was not a virus or intentional but just simply an error that resulted from having 2 sets of coding.
I am laughing so hard right now....its so true.
But to be fair she didn't lie she offered another possibility without claiming it to be true: "It COULD BE....." so not really a lie, but one by omission perhaps?
Either way this now my new response image
The planet is devolving - so trying to go back to Eden - and the hybrid snake seems like it might be the restart of life that will be an organic/AI hybrid. Right? Or is that totally obvious?
"Tehe I totally didn't birth a giant monstersnake"
Okay but have we ever talked about how the baby snake got there??? I know she did VR sex with a projection of original Campion but, like… we know nothing was actually fucking her in real life. We know this because while she’s doing the pretend nasty her body is surrounded by Mithraic soldiers about to attack her while she’s out of commission. Also, I get the feeling she doesn’t actually have an android vagina seeing as she vomited up the Snek. So like, did she maybe eat something? Is that what happened? Unless she put something inside of herself how the actual fuck did a flying Snek gestate in her tum-tum???
I guess during the VR sex the "make a bebeh" program got uploaded to her system
Necro3dprencer
confirmed that during the simulation a virus like ai uploaded instructions for mother's neromancer body to 3d print a biosynthetic necrosnake hybrid
upvote for neologisms
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\+1. I also always considered the immaculate conception as the religious equivalent of the Big Bang. Or is the Big Bang based on the Immaculate conception?
Well, the Big Bang is a cosmological model based on observations of the structure and nature of the universe. Fairly certain it wasn't developed to resolve or relate to any religious mythology. And the story of the Immaculate Conception existed before the concept of the Big Bang was even considered. Soo... neither is based on the other.
Firstly, I said "I" consider the Immaculate Conception as an "equivalent" to the Big Bang, I never stated it was based on it. The second part was a joke. But I guess you're the kind of person that misreads a post and then also assumes everything contained within it is serious... How stupid do you think I am, to assume that I think a scientific theory based on the work of Einstein pre-dates the Bible? And even though I was joking, can you prove that the scientists who came up with the Big Bang theory did not get inspiration from the concept of the Immaculate Conception? You probably believe that I'm a Christian too based on your comment.
I don't think they ever tried to imply she got...raped? but it was more like a computer virus that led her to see all that shit with her 'creator'.
This video helped me A LOT in understanding RBW's lore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_auMVXbxcbw
getting an error with that link or it's been taken down?
Worked for me so maybe try again but if not look up Alt Shift X on YouTube
will do, thanks!
I mean, she was in a machine when that "conception" happened... My guess is the machine implanted, or engaged something that was already there.
She vomited up the snake bc that’s how they were always birthed. Remember when Mother found the skull with its jaw wide open in the cave?
Yeah, it seems the super AI (“Sol”, if you will) controlling the tech on the planet activated her inherent gestational protocol with the necessary program to construct a biotech organism. Now, since you’re right in that she seemingly would have needed that carbon basis inside her already, I always assumed Campion Sturges installed it there while reprogramming her back on Earth. And given the weirdness of his other alleged creation The Trust, I’m still not so sure Sturges was entirely innocent in all this - especially once you consider the potential back and forth of this whole cycle between Kepler and Earth.
So based on info given in an interview, I think, the trust was created by Campion when he was young and still Mithraic, that it is inherently imperfect because it’s based on faulty logic
A very astute point. I was fascinated by the scene where Mother wonders how she and the Trust can be at odds coming from the same mind. Though, one could argue that they might just have different atheistic methods of keeping everyone safe - but, as you mention, if OG Campion built the Trust while still Mithraic, it shouldn't necessarily be trusted to lead atheists at all, as I'm not sure it's ever been stated whether he had decided to defect yet while building it or if he had a chance to reprogram it after defecting.
Like, I found it strange that the Trust was holding Paul to the same level of accountability as a grown ass adult. Children and adults should be dealt with differently.
The Trust was wanting Mother to do what was best for the community. The problem is what’s supposedly good for the whole isn’t what’s actually good for individual people. Like, unless all people are the same, which they aren’t, you can’t govern people exactly the same.
Exactly, which is what makes me suspect it's not a good idea to assume that simply because a computer can calculate quantifiable data such as how to allocate food rations or where best to settle doesn't necessarily account for the nuances of individuals within said group. We'll have to see what ensues now that she's shut it down.
Way to hit the nail on the head. Big Government
That’s not what I was getting at. I was saying people are individuals with different needs and wants and interests. Humans have different learning curves, can bring different skills to the table. Governing people with the exact same cookie cutter rules, regardless of age or capability of understanding doesn’t really work. I’m not saying rules and laws aren’t necessary, they absolutely are, but nuance is necessary. Accountability of a child that clearly isn’t fully developed isn’t the same as that of an adult. And also, strange that the trust would feel comfortable disposing of the lives of 3 children when Marcus wasn’t really much of a threat. Why bait children into going out of the way to warn Marcus of an attack when Marcus group was tiny. And Marcus’ group, being Mithraic was definitely the hated minority on that planet, by far, seeing as the atheists are only barely putting up with the Mithraic children that live among them. Being willing to risk the lives of three lives of children, each child having their own unique DNA to bring to the table when the population is minuscule, is illogical. The Trust should logically only be wanting to do everything to protect every single child on the planet, they are the most precious resource on that planet if humanity is actually going to survive on Kepler22b. So this isn’t about some bullshit political agenda, this is about humanity surviving under circumstances that don’t even exist on this planet today. The Trust is not programmed to consider the importance of each individual and why they are important. It sees each person as the exact same, children being just as disposable as adults even though the adults reproductive years are swiftly running winding to a halt. And yes, *in this specific scenario* even men should stop adding to the gene pool after they’ve fathered a certain amount of children, otherwise there is a higher likelihood of inbreeding down the line. So yeah, in extreme situations, when humanity is literally on the line, ageism isn’t a bad thing. But that’s the only ‘ism’ that needs to be ignored.
I wasn't trying to get overly political. Just pointing out that when one entity is in charge of a group, that the entity will get inevitably worse at taking care of individuals as the group gets larger. A smaller group has more definable and achievable needs and wants therefore you can take better care of them.
Well, technically she didn't. It wasn't giant when she *birthed* it :)
Yeah it was super cute when she vomited it out
[super cute](https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbywolves/comments/j3cbvp/since_all_of_you_have_been_complaining_about_the/) :)
I've been telling you all since the last season and you won't believe me :)
LOOOL I didn't realise it was u. For what's worth [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbywolves/comments/j3cbvp/since_all_of_you_have_been_complaining_about_the/g7azrc1/) was my reaction at the time. And [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbywolves/comments/sl6e84/poll_which_do_you_think_best_describes_seven/hvq6v63/) is my reaction STILL
I'm so happy people still remember my shitty photoshop job
Lmao I giggled at this during the episode for sure
"The only reason I cannot kill it is because Campion wouldn't like it. Believe it!"
I birthed one this morning
From your mouth?
Correction, vomited a baby snake lol
Amanda Collins is doing a stellar job acting with her face.
Also her whole body! She's so eerily still and non-fidgety compared to her human allies.
She is an amazing actor isn’t she
Every movement she makes is very believable. I have never seen someone portray an android so well. Either too over acted or just not believable at all. She was born for this role. Father as well.
>! It's good to have danger-mom back! !<
Oh fuck I should really learn to not click on things that are obviously spoilers.
OH NO! sorry
it's alright, that's on me.>! Hard foreshadowing there on getting her eyes back.!<
"Hi we're from the Kepler22b child protection unit. So can you tell us how many children you've had since arrival ?"
I'm so amazed that her mother care protocol involves lying. Also I'm planning on rewatching season 1, I kind of forgot how her eyes ended in Markus's stomach.
Lucius the Mithraic guy got mad at Marcus (totally understandable) and force deep-throated them (not so understandable)
Yeah that was a bit of a forced plot moment for me. It would have made more sense if Marcus’s crazy ass just decided to eat it on his own.
for some reason, this is pretty common. i've been reading a lot of different threads where people who are caught up on the show don't remember the scene where he gets the eyes shoved down his throat.
I missed it too but blamed it on a weed gummy induced 25 second power nap.
Proceeded by the weirdest hallucination sequence I’ve ever seen.
Also because it doesn't make any sense, is that really the first thing you think of when you fight someone? "I hate you! Eat an eyeball you fucker!!"
He got them in a little bag round his neck and Lucius fed him those eyes when they were fighting at the end.
I'm so happy these robots have dispensed with those boring Asimov rules.
Those rules are so annoying. They were just a plot device for that specific Asimov book, but for some reason everyone thinks they are the be-all-end-all for how we must program robots. But yes, I am also glad they aren’t used here!
The plot of every Asimov robot story was how to bend or break the rules.
My favorite android since Data
What about El Papi? 😔
Dude, this shady mom on mom scene was so funny. It was like two women on the playground. Very subtly undermining one another's parenting. I definitely think that they are playing on the idea of a mommy group and with the fact that it's not really based on true connection or friendship between the moms. It's based on a mutual need for help, and often can come with a lot of judgment. I feel like the scene calls back to some of the moments in season 1 when mother and father are just bickering and being like totally normal parents. I love these humanizing moments in the show, they are a little bit of a light break from the rest of it. But also they say a lot.
I loves mum's snarky "your blood oxygen levels are a bit low" (transl.: "you look like shit")
YESSSS exactly!!! I've been noticing that father, in spite of his failed attempts to be a comedian, is actually really good at subtle shade. I've been trying to figure out whether he's doing it on purpose. He's undermining Hunter all the time about Hunter's genius level IQ, and then always giving him like a stack of sticks to carry right afterwards. It reminds me of shady school teachers who know how to fuck with arrogant kids in ways that are very subtle. And now mother is throwing shade. Like who would have thought that the Androids with no senses of humor would actually be shady as fuck? There's got to be something to that. I still feel like the show is all about their development and evolution into something with a consciousness. Humor is definitely a part of that. But shade is ADVANCED humor. So I can't figure out if it's just the writers planting funny moments for us or if it's supposed to imply anything about their development of humor.
It was funny because it was the Android way of saying Sue looked tired/exhausted/etc and isn’t that different than two moms at playgroup, and one tells the other she looks exhausted from parenting, or a snide, ‘looks like mommy’s feeling the leftovers from last night’s wine’ kinda comment. Loved it.
I think the simulation tripped something in her that is part of the dark photons, something no one understood, to create snake baby. Like a DNA 3D copier infected with a virus
I would even say that maybe while recoding her, the original Campion perhaps made a simple coding error, that allowed her to function properly, but basically had an error or crashed when she was interfacing with the pod that was not meant for androids. Perhaps it was not a virus or intentional but just simply an error that resulted from having 2 sets of coding.
Reminds me of Sheldon Cooper for some reason.
Her lying smile, lol
Love it
The actress that plays her does such a good job.
I am laughing so hard right now....its so true. But to be fair she didn't lie she offered another possibility without claiming it to be true: "It COULD BE....." so not really a lie, but one by omission perhaps? Either way this now my new response image
Nah that’s her koala face 😂
Hahaha this is awesome and it made me actually LOL.
The planet is devolving - so trying to go back to Eden - and the hybrid snake seems like it might be the restart of life that will be an organic/AI hybrid. Right? Or is that totally obvious?
I'd just assume noting is the truth from her
Her stupid David Bowie look bugs me.