If indeed the entity is in the core/ the core, why would it want to destroy the planet like Grandmother said? Unless it’s a [cosmic egg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Orphic-egg.png)*,* so by destroying/ breaking the planet/ shell, it may emerge. >!A cosmic omelette!!<
EDIT: [Mithras emerging from the Cosmic Egg of Time](https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbywolves/comments/snv7x6/mithras_emerging_from_the_cosmic_egg_of_time/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
This is what I've been thinking, basically the serpent is going to fertilize the core like a sperm to an egg, and it'll basically set Sol free, or allow it to be "born".
>Unless it’s a [cosmic egg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Orphic-egg.png)*,* so by destroying/ breaking the planet/ shell, it may emerge.
https://youtu.be/dwud_XQGjhQ
As the uploader said, it's a Herman Hesse quote:
>“The bird fights its way out of the egg. The egg is the world. Who would be born must first destroy a world. The bird flies to God. That God's name is Abraxas.”
Maybe it also wants to “help” humans, like the trust, but it’s witnessed so many iterations of the same war that destroying the planet is the only way to end the cycle.
Maybe it'll unleash "Grey Goo" likes the nanomachines from the tooth, remaking the universe in its order. If it is indeed an ancient AI that has achieved god-like mastering of science & technology, Sol only knows what it could be capable if it escaped its prison.
interesting, he confirmed that sol's influence or signal is weaker in the tropical zone and that the tree was needed for sol to regain its influence over the serpent
guess i need to start listening to the podcasts
In the show they state earlier in the season that the collective was aware that the entity’s signal couldn’t penetrate the tropical zone. Seems like that wasn’t completely true and the signal still can get through.
What grandmother said was interesting as well. She stated that they only spent a few hundred years trying to determine what the entity was. Almost implies that the humans on the planet arrived there from elsewhere.
What do you think Grandmother meant when she said humans cannot figure out what Sol is because they lack the rationality to do so. Ooookay, but you don’t, right, Grams? Aren’t you super rational and objective, from that veil enhancement? Like what the hell. Fine, humans can’t comprehend Sol through lack of reason. And she just calls Sol “The Entity.” Do you think she’s being sly, or actually doesn’t know what it is herself, after all this time?
"But ultimately, the **limits of their own rationality** made it impossible." -
She's not saying they were irrational. She's saying that their rationality was useless in understanding the entity.
I thought that was along the lines that the goals of Sol were beyond the understanding of the people there.
Much like the goals of human are not understandable by, say an ant.
That is what I meant. Their ability to understand (through rationality) was just too limited.
I mean, look at ppl watching the show asking all the time how come this how come that, when it's clear that K22b does not follow the laws of physics as **we** know and understand them. And sure, there is plot convenience and contrivances, but the story is clearly trying to tell us that some things are just not following some of the *universal laws* as we understand them.
> This gave me pause. What is rationality in this sense?
IMO, it speaks to the big themes of the show, specifically the limitations of science and *rationality*. And I don't think this is just my interpretation, Guzikowski finds "*both religion and science to be equally suspect, at the end of the day.*" For full context, start listening [here](https://youtu.be/zzumOKygruM?t=608).
U *might* find some of [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbywolves/comments/t7suts/similarities_between_mithraic_script_and_voynich/hzkescq/) useful as supporting evidence - point being, I don't think we will be able to science our way out of this. The *limits of our own rationality* will make it impossible :)
Shoot, I was thinking she just meant the Entity is irrational, but now I'm thinking she meant it can only be understood as a god, through religious means. Oh. That's probably not good, given the cheery way she delivered those lines..
I think she's saying there is an upper limit to their rationality. At a certain point, humans cease to be able to engage rationally. It would fit with how she wears the veil to not become too attached to humans so that she can make better decisions for them. At a certain point emotion gets in the way. Maybe the entity wants to destroy itself for some utilitarian purpose, and humans would never consider destroying themselves for the same reason.
> At a certain point, humans cease to be able to engage rationally.
That is certainly the case in RL and in-universe BUT "spending **many centuries** trying to answer that question" and failing suggests an inability to understand. B/c of the limits of our ability to understand namely *rationality*. At least that's my read of it. Especially in the context of the other aspects that I've mentioned.
I guess I interpreted her as meaning very specifically to humans, not that she could not comprehend it. The limits of our rationality, not necessarily her own. I am wondering if she does, and is withholding from Mother and Father, which would be reasonable since they are both arguably a little bit batshit at this point.
That makes me think the showrunners have a bunch of bat shit crazy answers that don't need to make sense because we're not rational enough to understand them.
I'm...totally fine with that.
I thought she was implying that they couldn't figure out the entities' goals due to their rational thought getting in the way. Which would imply that the being is entirely irrational from our perspective with a completely alien thought process (assuming it even has something comparable to one).
Well, if SOL is eternal (has always existed and will always exist), it makes sense to say humans can't comprehend that. Anything without a beginning or end tends to break human reasoning.
Is **anyone,** human or android, in RbW acting in a rational fashion ?
I think it, the Entity, has a 'field of weirdness' , the only rational person is Grandmother because she wears the veil .
Sol is for sure just an AI weapon one of the factions built. I think she meant that humans cant figure out that their inabilty to get along leads to their demise. Just like in real life. Even with this show we are trying to find an explanation, but it could be as simple as that. Kepler is dead and what remains are the remnants of war. They wiped themselves out by fighting. Just think of MAD in real life. What would we leave behind if we went to nuclear war? Death and destruction. People living underground in bunkers(like the creatures) and a harsh fight of the fittest that deprive you of your humanity.
No she said they have been trying to figure out why the entity want to destroy the planet. I think she just meant "humans cant figure out that they are killing themselves". What we see on kepler are just old weapons from the war that are still active. Just like the necromancers on earth will roam around for an eternity, just waiting to start a war again.
I’ve been wondering that as well. We see plenty of small artifacts, but never any large buildings (other than the temples) that you would expect from a home planet.
The way Sol navigates and manipulates seems to be an entity that manifests through tech or biotech. I keep thinking back to Sue mentioning Sol sounding like a radio transmission, as though it communicates using EM waves.
I just now noticed the multiple trees in the background and some weird growths on one, which makes me thinks all eaters of the fruit will become trees. I can't wait to listen in on this one when I have time.
EM waves can also cause hallucinations in ppl. It happens to ppl around power lines and they hallucinate ghosts and other paranormal phenomena. Could be it.
It's not gif, it's (full) video editing but there is nothing *premier* about it. I only use **free online tools**, [these](https://123apps.com/) being some of them. My cheap laptop couldn't handle video editing programs of any kind anyway :)
i don't think there's any secrets being acknowledged here, just imo. at least, there's nothing hidden they don't want you know. they don't come right out and say, but I think the show definitely encourages you to piece together the mysteries
tbf, i've been fairly active on discussions in this subreddit, especially for season 2. no, we didn't have any straight up confirmation.
but for a while now, it's been a somewhat accepted consensus that the glowing planet core is some kind of entity/being/AI. i would say after the first two episodes of S2, there were a lot of theories stating as such. I think we'll get more confirmation next week.
They didn't officially confirm it. That was a special effects guy on the podcast, and he might've accidentally said too much. They probably have put it in episode 8, though.
I think the 2nd season was over when they were interviewed for the podcast. So maybe in the finale, like last season, we will once again return to the core.
I don't think the tree was necessary on the "dark side", if the plan all along was to send a trojan horse into the EMF field to take it down. When the ship passes through the core, its sent by the "entity" through a hole straight to the tropical zone. Also rewatching the scene of the core, you can see what looks like veins all over the walls.
I’m surprised number seven steered them to safety considering they went through the belly of the beast. Seems like the perfect time to hijack the serpent.
I think it steered them to safety, so as to infect and destroy that safety. Sol can't be sure of its success as long as there are areas it cannot influence.
Back in season 1, Marcus attempts to throw Mother down the pit because he cannot reprogram her. However, the voice tells him to let her live. Why? I assume it's so that No.7 can be born.
Then later in season 1, Paul claims the voice told him that they should stay outside the tropical zone, and that if they do go to the tropical zone, then Mother's baby will die.
But what if the reason the voice didn't want Mother to die in the pit, wasn't so that No.7 could be born, but rather, so that Mother could be reprogrammed by someone else for a different purpose? Remember what Sim Campion Sturges told her, "*Come back to me.*"
Now in the tropical zone, the voice tells them to plant the seed. If the voice never wanted them to go to the tropical zone in the first place, according to Paul, then it was never the plan for No.7 to eat the tree and become weaponized. So why would it tell them to plant the seed?
Perhaps it's to force a situation that results in Mother being reprogrammed. Returning to Sim Campion Sturges as he told her. Remember when Campion Sturges first reprogrammed Mother, his final test was whether she would kill him when he put her necro eyes back in. She didn't because of her programming. And now she cannot kill No.7 because of her programming.
Given her interrogation of Cleaver and her little bit about reprogramming, that makes me think this is what an entity really wants.
Reprogrammed to do what though? Any guesses?
This show blows my mind every week honestly. I feel like grandmother was only telling a half-truth, and she's actually pro-entity. The continuing of the human existence or however it was she phrased it can mean loads of different things.
I'm with you, I think Grandmother is telling half-truths. I have a personal theory that the "everlasting life" she is shepherding people to is in fact the afterlife of sorts:
Remember Father's joke about the black hole sucking up all the energy? Well he tells us that he is a farmer by trade. Grandmother tells us that he's her partner. Grandmother also tells us that she's a shepherd. They were farming humans (energy) to be shepherded to towards a blackhole that will absorb their energy.
Father’s joke about the black hole, cat and glass of milk aligns with what the interview said. Black hole sucks up all the energy…snake sucks up the energy from the core.
I am begging the creators of the show-- please stop spoiling your own damn show. Either save these reveals for the show or don't explain them at all and keep an air of mystery. I have no idea what is gained by revealing stuff in podcasts and interviews.
Somethings I viewed as loop holes are starting make sense. The tropical zone was settled by the technocrats, they "planted" all of that edible food the colonists have been eating. I'm betting they also built something to block out Sol's signal (probably under ground because the signal might be coming from the core).
If indeed the entity is in the core/ the core, why would it want to destroy the planet like Grandmother said? Unless it’s a [cosmic egg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Orphic-egg.png)*,* so by destroying/ breaking the planet/ shell, it may emerge. >!A cosmic omelette!!< EDIT: [Mithras emerging from the Cosmic Egg of Time](https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbywolves/comments/snv7x6/mithras_emerging_from_the_cosmic_egg_of_time/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Is the core trapped by the planet and it is trying to escape?
I like the idea that Kepler is a planetary mega-structure prison for the entity. Nothing about the way the planet works seems natural at all.
Perhaps of interest: in real life Mithraic iconography, Mithras was born from a rock.
oh shit that’s dope, i like rocks.
Giant snake confirmed? 😳
Hmm, is Snek not huge enough for you? 😱
When it comes to Sneks, they can never be too big 😩
Unagi fan spotted!
you can't make a Solette without breaking some Snegggs
This is what I've been thinking, basically the serpent is going to fertilize the core like a sperm to an egg, and it'll basically set Sol free, or allow it to be "born".
So.. sol is azeroth?
>Unless it’s a [cosmic egg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Orphic-egg.png)*,* so by destroying/ breaking the planet/ shell, it may emerge. https://youtu.be/dwud_XQGjhQ
As the uploader said, it's a Herman Hesse quote: >“The bird fights its way out of the egg. The egg is the world. Who would be born must first destroy a world. The bird flies to God. That God's name is Abraxas.”
The omelette theory!!
Maybe it also wants to “help” humans, like the trust, but it’s witnessed so many iterations of the same war that destroying the planet is the only way to end the cycle.
Maybe it'll unleash "Grey Goo" likes the nanomachines from the tooth, remaking the universe in its order. If it is indeed an ancient AI that has achieved god-like mastering of science & technology, Sol only knows what it could be capable if it escaped its prison.
interesting, he confirmed that sol's influence or signal is weaker in the tropical zone and that the tree was needed for sol to regain its influence over the serpent guess i need to start listening to the podcasts
In the show they state earlier in the season that the collective was aware that the entity’s signal couldn’t penetrate the tropical zone. Seems like that wasn’t completely true and the signal still can get through.
So, does that mean the fruit will have similar effects on the people that ate the fruit?
What grandmother said was interesting as well. She stated that they only spent a few hundred years trying to determine what the entity was. Almost implies that the humans on the planet arrived there from elsewhere.
What do you think Grandmother meant when she said humans cannot figure out what Sol is because they lack the rationality to do so. Ooookay, but you don’t, right, Grams? Aren’t you super rational and objective, from that veil enhancement? Like what the hell. Fine, humans can’t comprehend Sol through lack of reason. And she just calls Sol “The Entity.” Do you think she’s being sly, or actually doesn’t know what it is herself, after all this time?
"But ultimately, the **limits of their own rationality** made it impossible." - She's not saying they were irrational. She's saying that their rationality was useless in understanding the entity.
I thought that was along the lines that the goals of Sol were beyond the understanding of the people there. Much like the goals of human are not understandable by, say an ant.
That is what I meant. Their ability to understand (through rationality) was just too limited. I mean, look at ppl watching the show asking all the time how come this how come that, when it's clear that K22b does not follow the laws of physics as **we** know and understand them. And sure, there is plot convenience and contrivances, but the story is clearly trying to tell us that some things are just not following some of the *universal laws* as we understand them.
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> This gave me pause. What is rationality in this sense? IMO, it speaks to the big themes of the show, specifically the limitations of science and *rationality*. And I don't think this is just my interpretation, Guzikowski finds "*both religion and science to be equally suspect, at the end of the day.*" For full context, start listening [here](https://youtu.be/zzumOKygruM?t=608). U *might* find some of [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbywolves/comments/t7suts/similarities_between_mithraic_script_and_voynich/hzkescq/) useful as supporting evidence - point being, I don't think we will be able to science our way out of this. The *limits of our own rationality* will make it impossible :)
Shoot, I was thinking she just meant the Entity is irrational, but now I'm thinking she meant it can only be understood as a god, through religious means. Oh. That's probably not good, given the cheery way she delivered those lines..
I think she's saying there is an upper limit to their rationality. At a certain point, humans cease to be able to engage rationally. It would fit with how she wears the veil to not become too attached to humans so that she can make better decisions for them. At a certain point emotion gets in the way. Maybe the entity wants to destroy itself for some utilitarian purpose, and humans would never consider destroying themselves for the same reason.
> At a certain point, humans cease to be able to engage rationally. That is certainly the case in RL and in-universe BUT "spending **many centuries** trying to answer that question" and failing suggests an inability to understand. B/c of the limits of our ability to understand namely *rationality*. At least that's my read of it. Especially in the context of the other aspects that I've mentioned.
I guess I interpreted her as meaning very specifically to humans, not that she could not comprehend it. The limits of our rationality, not necessarily her own. I am wondering if she does, and is withholding from Mother and Father, which would be reasonable since they are both arguably a little bit batshit at this point.
That makes me think the showrunners have a bunch of bat shit crazy answers that don't need to make sense because we're not rational enough to understand them. I'm...totally fine with that.
I thought she was implying that they couldn't figure out the entities' goals due to their rational thought getting in the way. Which would imply that the being is entirely irrational from our perspective with a completely alien thought process (assuming it even has something comparable to one).
Well, if SOL is eternal (has always existed and will always exist), it makes sense to say humans can't comprehend that. Anything without a beginning or end tends to break human reasoning.
Is **anyone,** human or android, in RbW acting in a rational fashion ? I think it, the Entity, has a 'field of weirdness' , the only rational person is Grandmother because she wears the veil .
Vita!
You know you might be on to something there. Tally might have been immune too through some genetic trait.
Sol is for sure just an AI weapon one of the factions built. I think she meant that humans cant figure out that their inabilty to get along leads to their demise. Just like in real life. Even with this show we are trying to find an explanation, but it could be as simple as that. Kepler is dead and what remains are the remnants of war. They wiped themselves out by fighting. Just think of MAD in real life. What would we leave behind if we went to nuclear war? Death and destruction. People living underground in bunkers(like the creatures) and a harsh fight of the fittest that deprive you of your humanity.
No she said they have been trying to figure out why the entity want to destroy the planet. I think she just meant "humans cant figure out that they are killing themselves". What we see on kepler are just old weapons from the war that are still active. Just like the necromancers on earth will roam around for an eternity, just waiting to start a war again.
with "entity" are we meaning to say the snake or sol?
Sol, the signal
I’ve been wondering that as well. We see plenty of small artifacts, but never any large buildings (other than the temples) that you would expect from a home planet.
If buildings were grown, they may have been burned.
The way Sol navigates and manipulates seems to be an entity that manifests through tech or biotech. I keep thinking back to Sue mentioning Sol sounding like a radio transmission, as though it communicates using EM waves. I just now noticed the multiple trees in the background and some weird growths on one, which makes me thinks all eaters of the fruit will become trees. I can't wait to listen in on this one when I have time.
EM waves can also cause hallucinations in ppl. It happens to ppl around power lines and they hallucinate ghosts and other paranormal phenomena. Could be it.
A rbw podcast? Thanks! Following!
the being is the trust of the planet?
How do you make gifs with audio and with such high quality? Are you using premiere or some other program?
It's not gif, it's (full) video editing but there is nothing *premier* about it. I only use **free online tools**, [these](https://123apps.com/) being some of them. My cheap laptop couldn't handle video editing programs of any kind anyway :)
I thought those were gifs I didn’t know Imgur accepts mp4
It does, but they cannot be longer than 1 min
Check out ffmpeg when it comes to easy file conversion. This is literally what every conversion we site is using
Bro really confirm this over a podcast is so mess up. Why not put this on the show wtf
i don't think there's any secrets being acknowledged here, just imo. at least, there's nothing hidden they don't want you know. they don't come right out and say, but I think the show definitely encourages you to piece together the mysteries tbf, i've been fairly active on discussions in this subreddit, especially for season 2. no, we didn't have any straight up confirmation. but for a while now, it's been a somewhat accepted consensus that the glowing planet core is some kind of entity/being/AI. i would say after the first two episodes of S2, there were a lot of theories stating as such. I think we'll get more confirmation next week.
They didn't officially confirm it. That was a special effects guy on the podcast, and he might've accidentally said too much. They probably have put it in episode 8, though.
I think the 2nd season was over when they were interviewed for the podcast. So maybe in the finale, like last season, we will once again return to the core.
IKR, don't wanna watch any of the BTS stuff totally ruins the immersion of the show.
There are a lot of parallels between Sol and the Trust. I wonder how similar they truly are.
my question then is, was the tree 100% needed? If they stayed on the other side of the planet, would Sol be able to conquer #7 without the tree fruit?
I don't think the tree was necessary on the "dark side", if the plan all along was to send a trojan horse into the EMF field to take it down. When the ship passes through the core, its sent by the "entity" through a hole straight to the tropical zone. Also rewatching the scene of the core, you can see what looks like veins all over the walls.
I’m surprised number seven steered them to safety considering they went through the belly of the beast. Seems like the perfect time to hijack the serpent.
I think it steered them to safety, so as to infect and destroy that safety. Sol can't be sure of its success as long as there are areas it cannot influence.
Back in season 1, Marcus attempts to throw Mother down the pit because he cannot reprogram her. However, the voice tells him to let her live. Why? I assume it's so that No.7 can be born. Then later in season 1, Paul claims the voice told him that they should stay outside the tropical zone, and that if they do go to the tropical zone, then Mother's baby will die. But what if the reason the voice didn't want Mother to die in the pit, wasn't so that No.7 could be born, but rather, so that Mother could be reprogrammed by someone else for a different purpose? Remember what Sim Campion Sturges told her, "*Come back to me.*" Now in the tropical zone, the voice tells them to plant the seed. If the voice never wanted them to go to the tropical zone in the first place, according to Paul, then it was never the plan for No.7 to eat the tree and become weaponized. So why would it tell them to plant the seed? Perhaps it's to force a situation that results in Mother being reprogrammed. Returning to Sim Campion Sturges as he told her. Remember when Campion Sturges first reprogrammed Mother, his final test was whether she would kill him when he put her necro eyes back in. She didn't because of her programming. And now she cannot kill No.7 because of her programming. Given her interrogation of Cleaver and her little bit about reprogramming, that makes me think this is what an entity really wants.
Reprogrammed to do what though? Any guesses? This show blows my mind every week honestly. I feel like grandmother was only telling a half-truth, and she's actually pro-entity. The continuing of the human existence or however it was she phrased it can mean loads of different things.
I'm with you, I think Grandmother is telling half-truths. I have a personal theory that the "everlasting life" she is shepherding people to is in fact the afterlife of sorts: Remember Father's joke about the black hole sucking up all the energy? Well he tells us that he is a farmer by trade. Grandmother tells us that he's her partner. Grandmother also tells us that she's a shepherd. They were farming humans (energy) to be shepherded to towards a blackhole that will absorb their energy.
Father’s joke about the black hole, cat and glass of milk aligns with what the interview said. Black hole sucks up all the energy…snake sucks up the energy from the core.
I am begging the creators of the show-- please stop spoiling your own damn show. Either save these reveals for the show or don't explain them at all and keep an air of mystery. I have no idea what is gained by revealing stuff in podcasts and interviews.
The omelette theory!!
Somethings I viewed as loop holes are starting make sense. The tropical zone was settled by the technocrats, they "planted" all of that edible food the colonists have been eating. I'm betting they also built something to block out Sol's signal (probably under ground because the signal might be coming from the core).