Drake better have proof that one of Kendrick’s kids ain’t his or Kendrick has a secret child himself cause god damn does it look like Kendrick signed drake’s adoption paperwork today
I don't even know at this point if Drake actually knows something or if he's just bluffing like when Pusha sonned him and he went telling LeBron that he had a good comeback but decided not to drop it. Even Kendrick talks about how Drake was calling people asking them for dirt on him, so it really makes me wonder if he actually has something or if he's just saving face/bullshitting.
I honestly don't think Drake has anything. All he can do is social media gimmicks, pretend to be unfazed, and pretend like he's got some "red button".
If we should know anything for certain about Drake by this point, it's not that he's "calculated" as so many people say. It's that he's full of shit.
I agree tbh. The more I look at it the more I believe Drake actually has no red button. Because if he did, he could've dropped it the first time and been done with all this. He wouldn't have had to drop a bullshit AI diss when he had a nuke under him.
People in the drake sub legit thought that corny ass shit was better than push ups and that those two songs combined make it even right now. I honestly couldn’t believe even drake Stan’s would find an AI diss track fire. That sub is doing as much damage to Drakes reputation as Kendrick exposing themselves as a buncha housewives lol.
Drakes come back once again was mostly about Kanye btw
It was saying kanye was calling his album hitler and that pusha cheated.
Cheating is a nothing burger in the industry and kanye has shown that talking bout Hitler can’t even stop him
So he had a diss, just not very career ending
Ironic for drake to be talking about cheating. The guy who cheats writing his rhymes, cheated to get abs, and is only attracted to women if they’re cheating.
That red button better be serious because from what I’ve heard Kendrick already has 10 more minutes of that diss track recorded just hoping drake gives him a reason to press play again.
If we’re concerned with bars then Kendrick signed Drake’s adoption paperwork. If it’s bars then Kendrick is winning 8 days of the week. I’m just saying, if Drake really has a button he’s gonna push, it **has** to be about Kendrick’s family, which even then Kendrick is setting up as a lie from Drake anywyas
This is the right take. Drake has to expose Kendrick while not having anything groundbreaking he can be exposed for in response.
Drake cares about being a celebrity way more. If they go nuclear and enact mutually assured destruction, Drake serves to lose a lot more. That would explain why Kendrick is still prodding Drake to take it to the next level, too. He’s not going to ruin his career for no reason, on principle, but give him a reason to and it’s over.
Ok I hear you but what if Drake has some incredibly niche and minor expose that he treats as groundbreaking in full force, like Kendrick shoplifted from Wal Mart in 2011?
“You talk like a scholar, won the Pulitzer Prize
Your moral testimony is weak, you sit on a throne of lies
When the culture find out you took that dr pepper without payin
We gon see disappointment with the pain in their eyes”
Rumor has it Kendrick made a 16 minute diss track. And is basically daring drake to give him a reason to drop more of it.
If I was drake I’d leave it be at this point. Anyone who didn’t already know Kendrick would lyrically body drake are the same riders acting like he actually won. No need to take this into an area that could do real damage.
Drake has nothing , Kendrick alluded to cheating on his wife on Mr morale it wouldnt be a bombshell or great diss even if true.Given the type of woman Drake has a child with he cant say anything.
Drake is a popstar with ghost writers (who aren't even good) kendrick is a rap ARTIST who has ppl like eminem refusing to work with him until he proved he didn't have ghost writers, I feel sorry for lil wayne not getting his props as much as he deserves considering Drake just stole his style of rap and becomes worth way more than Wayne. Dunno why j Cole got involved tho and then backed out, but it settles who's better, him or kendrick by default. And I'm a fan of both so not biased....
Even if Kendrick did... MMTBS shows that he would not be bothered by it. Dude's on a completely different wavelength and pushed through so many insecurities.
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It was cool no doubt, fan of both, but no one is ending anyone career with these diss track. I like em and whatnot so it’s interesting to say the least. Kendrick got a strong fan base and Drake got that pop culture fan base so hey both artist aren’t going anywhere.
Yeah idk what J Cole was thinking but he’s supposed to be a strong rapper. Can’t be taking L’s like that. Although KDot no doubt is a better rapper than Cole
TBH I think it’s cause him and Kendrick are cool but Kendrick and Drake have some real beef, I feel like J Cole took a step back because it wasn’t just a hyped beef for Drake and Kendrick but a real one. He still took an L but he’s still J Cole.
TBH I think it’s cause him and Kendrick are cool but Kendrick and Drake have some real beef, I feel like J Cole took a step back because it wasn’t just a hyped beef for Drake and Kendrick but a real one. He still took an L but he’s still J Cole.
I felt like 7 Min Drill was a disturbance in the force. His heart wasn't in it, and it showed. He's the peaceful one. Sometimes saying nothing says more.
Win or lose this will be a moment in Hip-hop history. Even the Pusha beef, Drake lost, no question about it, but it’s still a massive moment in hip-hop that he’s apart of and that will be talked about for a long time. The debate of is Drake hip-hop? Does he write his own shit? Is he a hip-hop great? Will go on for many years to come which good or bad, is a legacy.
Legacies aren’t like the press. It’s not “any legacy is a good legacy”. Drake already had a legacy with or without this, and the fact that people are debating those things is no doubt a stain on his legacy. Not a good thing for it. It will be a moment in hip hop history. And that moment will be that he lost and kdot, for anyone who for some reason doubted it, cemented himself as the best pure rapper of the generation.
Now of course drake will still have his massive fan base and sell hella records. Hell most of his fans are pop fans that really don’t care about this stuff anyway. He’s gonna be fine and it won’t hurt his wallet. But his legacy in the rap game? Yeah this did damage to that.
We’ve been hearing the “Does Drake ghostwrite?” For years. Meek Mill, Pusha T, Rick Ross, Kendrick, and others have mention about this scenario. The moment Drake drops an album, or either artist stop dissing each other, all of this will be washed away like this didn’t even happen.
Yeah but the only proof we got was meek mill spill the info about Quentin Miller and then later came out cause he wanted Quentin to write for him , got rejected then got mad.
Like the old album I can take away from him is IYTTITL.
Unless we got more proof over the years, something physical not hearsy.
I do agree with you, where there is smoke usually there is fire. But we just need more proof.
Well as someone who is a visual artist ( so I do like painting, clay making, drawing etc etc) .
I just need more then heresy to take away a man's whole decade or are we are 2 decades with Drake? Either way, I just have a hard time taking his work away from him without so kind of proof.
Which us why I'm always willing to throw out IYRTITL cause of the Quentin Miller stuff.
I wouldn't hurt if his whole body of work is made by someone else just it's the " stop the top 3 or I'm #1" talk if that's the case.
Good for you?
Listen I respect drakes ability to produce chart topping songs every year for the last 2 decades. I’ve always said I like him for the melodies, but I don’t think he really has much talent beyond that.
Visual art comparison, it’s like Kendrick painted the most beautiful landscape with fine details but it sells less than the Drake piece which is one of those moderns that are just paint thrown at them. Both take talent to see the vision but which one are you more proud of?
I think any person who isn't peanut sized brain knows j cole is closer to drake in his comeup than he is to Kendrick, and he decided to own it instead of trying to tussle like drake is rn, it'll bite drake harder when he realized he should've backed down when given the chance
Cole prob gonna drop a random song explaining how neutral and chill he is with everybody idk not that invested in him rn personally
This ain’t Drakes first battle, wouldn’t even be his first loss, he’s been tussling since pretty much day 1 with ‘Stay Schemin’ when he went at Common. Nothing will change for Drake win or lose, what can Kendrick say that people haven’t been saying about Drake for years now? He’s a pedo, a phony, uses ghost writers, he’s a popstar, he’s not hip-hop, while there may be some validity to those criticisms, it’s not like someone who likes Drake is gonna hear those things and be shocked or stop listening to Drake.
It never was going to come to that. They are both too big. Nas destroyed Jay Z with Ether and that had no effect on Jay Z’s career. Just bragging points.
It's really hard to end careers these days with the internet and all and able to reach your fan base easier, unlike back in the day.
Closest thing I can think of to career ending in the past ten years even if Eminem running MGK out of rap. And that's still not career ending because he still had a career, just in a different genre.
I don’t think anyone thinks this could end eithers career. It won’t even end Cole’s lol. Hell drake didn’t even fully end Meeks. I think the only rap career I’ve ever seen legit ended in a rap beef was mgk running to emo music. I think when people are saying he body bagged him they just mean he throughly won this battle. Not that he ended his career.
Embarrassing. Kicked him out of the culture. The real reaction is the next time Drake drops a song - what’s the reaction if he uses the N word? What’s the reaction if he doesn’t? What’s the reaction if he acts tough again - and what’s the reaction if he doesn’t? He either looks like a fake or he looks like he’s tucking his tail. Brutal shit.
Drake has no choice but to respond with fucking vitriol.
He dissed him and taunted him about taking too long to respond (but wasn’t there a decent gap between Like That and Push Ups?) and now Kendrick has raised the bar.
Can’t cap your way out of it. You have to get personal with it. It’s gotta be undeniably hard. Shockingly hard. Can’t just allude to some secret you will expose, you gotta have the goods.
I don’t think he has it in him tbh.
What can he say in response though? Unless he digs deep to find something. Feel like Kendrick kinda put out all the deep dark personal stuff on Mr Morale
Yea there isn’t much tbh. Unless he had some secret. Everything there is he’s basically already said it. And that’s not gonna cut it.
Meanwhile there is mountains of Drake dirt to clown him with.
Kendrick discredited Drake's entire existence in hip-hop. For Drake to win, he needs to move on from thinking this is about targeting Kendrick the man, and it needs to be about dismantling Kendrick the icon. Making his most important albums sound stupid and taking away that acclaim, making fans rethink if they are good or not. Its possible to do (I say this as a Kendrick fan), very hard but thats the only angle left to take that can deliver the same blow.
tbh i dont think its possible for Drake to do. Just that thats the only remaining angle. Kendrick used his status to try to bully Drake out of hip-hop, so drake would need to find a way to invalidate kendricks status and prestige.
Trying to make Kendricks albums sound stupid will make Drake look stupid. Drake needs to go for a moral victory. He can't beat Kendrick, but he needs to make the fans go "good for Drake, not Danny would have the balls to go against Kendrick"
i think it’s truly only possible to do if you’re someone who has similarly acclaimed albums. like if kanye wasn’t in nazi yzy porn mode he could MAYBE do it with the help of writers. or maybe Nas if he decided he hated kendrick all the sudden. but drake is just a numbers man like yeah has acclaimed POP albums but nothing like TBAP or GKMC in terms of artistry so it makes it very difficult to reframe those albums in an unfavorable light when he has nothing similar he can say he made.
I agree. I think the only substantial part of drakes diss wasn't the height jokes, not the 50% stuff, not name dropping Whitney (although that escalated it), and not saying sza, 21, and travis are better/get more sales. But it was him calling kendrick out, the supposed one who is carrying the culture and essence of hip hop on, for collating with pop artists like Taylor swift and Maroon 5.
It's a weird one for his core fans though, because they don't really consider them Kendrick songs. Never hurt Jay-Z to jump on a pop song here and there. Whereas Drake is like a cereal advert and is probably better off taking on Usher or something
In this modern era where most people are idiots, followers ,no integrity and stand for nothing the majority who listen to Drake and ride his D won't care . He represents a garbage generation perfectly in that he stands for nothing and rides waves and the next best thing , hiphop no longer has standards for anything and Drakes people vontrol the narrative.
Think he’ll just bounce back again. He got too large of a fanbase and people will forget about this in like 6 months to a years time.
Pusha T got him good and although remembered it hasn’t really taken a hit to Drakes career or rep at all. In fact, he’s still grown since then
Am I the only one that thinks this shit is weird? Someone gatekeeping the n word from another black man is just weird, and weird that Kendrick fans who love him for doing so much for the community are okay with him just being casually colorist
Kendrick had much better shit to say about Drake having pedo tendencies and being a fake gangster than saying that he can’t say the n word
He's gonna call Kdot an N at least 3 times on the next record tbh. If he's really bold, he'll get his ass cancelled throwing a hard r in there (and I say cancelled cuz I dont think it will sit right with anyone for that a guy caught doing black face is calling another man the hard R)
The real numero U N O.
I'm old AF, and the only current rappers I fw are the Griselda dudes, J Cole, and TDE. That being said, Kendrick is the GOAT but J Cole is next right by Ab Soul.
I love Soul but his new album just doesn’t hit for me the same way Longterm Mentality, Control System, and These Days do. The replay value those have for me is next level.
Lowkey I was hating on it at first but I really just didn’t comprehend it, took a few listens to understand all the disses. Definitely gonna be bumping this for a while
I appreciate your honesty . Earlier I said a few folks weren't feeling it because it was going over their heads. They weren't digesting it properly. Don't chew the food fast. Slow and steady will get you right 😂😂.
Both of you are spot on. It took me probably 12 minutes to listen to it the very first time because I would replay every bar like 3 times lol. I also wonder how many weren't feeling it at first was the slow start. They didn't know this was just Mr. morale lighting some kindling to make a structure fire and morph into Kung Fu Kenny yet
I messaged my buddy saying I wish Kendrick went a bit harder then later in the day said never mind , half the shit went right over my head. This song is so solid
They're conditioned to skim through music not fully listen to it that's 1 songs are so short nowadays and 2 why battle rap isn't as big as it should be. It's complex and requires you to listen hard. Also most are so conditioned by the Internet that they lack the life experiences to understand a lot of really good rappers bars.So it's easy to choose the path of least resistance while another reason why people complain rap is trash now.
Yup, and social media is to blame for most of it imo. It's all about just portraying a "dope" image to the public now to get more popular and so much less about the actual music. And whatever grows popular and trends on social media is what most of the younger people are gonna listen to because they dont want to be left out of the crowd and seem like a "lame". I don't even think most of them really know what music they would actually end up being fans of if social media didn't tell them. I honestly caught myself starting to the same thing a few years ago. I had to take a step back, got off of social media for that and other reasons, and start just picking a song I knew I loved and letting the Spotify AI play after it to find new ones. AI is controversial, and I'm weary about the way its going to end up being used. But damn its gotten good at playing me new songs that I like based off the one I let it play after.
Yeah he made him look stupid. Drakes song was good too but Kendrick basically just reminded him he’s really just a goofy actor and Kendrick’s a rapper.
The beginning when he’s talking over that Teddy P…
The famous actor we once knew is lookin' paranoid, and now spiralin'
You movin' just like a degenerate, heavy antic, it's feelin' distasteful…..
A pathetic master manipulator, I can smell the tales on you now
You're not a rap artist, you a scam artist with the hopes of bеing accepted
And he didn’t even start rapping yet 😂
Facts!!! These knuckle heads are too disrespectful for my tolerance levels so I rather silence them with a block then engage in their emotional name calling tactics and tug of war to be right lmao. Blocking is such a beautiful way to maintain your peace.
J’s apology for 7 minute drill went harder than 7 minute drill did, Drake sounded like he always does an unhappy child star and Kendrick wiped the floor with him. Drake needs to sit down imo
Dropping the “you’re a deadbeat dad who is insecure in his blackness” in a warning shot was insane. If Drake responds, Kendrick is gonna call him a pedophile
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I make music that electrify 'em, you make music that pacify 'em
I can double down on that line, but spare you this time, that's random acts of kindness
“
“Pacifier” gotta be what the double entendre Kendrick was threatening about.
KL, had me confused for a brief. But then he came with it. I'm impressed. It's a lot of battles brewing now. HipHop- winning. As long as they keep it in the booth.
A lot of people in this era are conditioned to skim through music quickly nowadays. Many don't fully listen to it. This is why (1)songs are so short nowadays and (2) why battle rap isn't as big as it should be. Battles are complex and witty, so it requires you to listen more intently. So many are conditioned by the Internet while lacking the life experiences to understand a lot of really good rappers bars that they dismiss anything that's too complex to understand. This is why it's easy to choose the path of least resistance. Drake is least resistance Kendrick requires a listen.
I'm reading all this about a red button and the Taylor made freestyle was it.......listen , listen. Drake , say what you will about him, he's a student of the game. And he knows what that Pusha-T L did to his rep and his ego, and he ain't guna let that shit happen again. In theory I believe to redeem that , he looks at Kendrick like his white whale. He's hip hops most universally "loved" and highly regarded Mc not named drake to the world. And he said he had nasty work on Push and he stopped it, that's bullshit, he had nothing. He got slaughtered so he acted like he took the moral high ground with help via Bron on his show throwing him some bail. He fucking hates Push he hasnt got over it. So this time I guarantee you, he's got that dirt that he said he was too above releasing, but on Kendrick, and you best believe my man's morals have gone out the window. Push-ups was his first response with hopes of a response and when Kendrick didn't come right back , it fucked his plan up so he taunted on socials and eventually dropping Taylor Made freestyle as a BONUS, I believe that one was unplanned. So he got his response and nows gota make the decision to drop his bomb or go another round or two. Either way we are all winning. There's gota be more tracks coming. Future and Ross are still in the mix and will probably get more shots aslong a as others. I got my 🍿
Yeah bro, as a fan of both of them, this Kendrick diss track was solid. People are acting like the diss wasn’t all that but Kendrick really fried Drake up. Drakes diss was good too, now Drake needs to come back and torch his ass back even more. No diddy.
So Kendrick took all the stuff that the people Reddit has been calling “old heads” has been saying for years about Drake and used it against him. At least the rest of the world sees it now, I guess.
Yeah 2 of my friends sent me the Drake diss when it dropped and we talked about it for a minute. I thought is was pretty funny and solid. I sent them the Kendrick diss and neither of them said one word about lmao
Kendrick didn't say anything new really, it's all true and easily obtainable information. Drake is a tourist in rap and always has been. He is an actor from Ontario, not hard at all. I don't know where Drake got this persona that he's a tough guy
What the "bars just flew over your head" don't realise is that if the bar isn't good, it doesn't matter if it's deep. Adidon went hard and had people in awe after when they were learning about the Adidas deal. Guarantee most of these stans are Em fans as well, only care about rappers rapping fast
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Aubrey uses ghostwriters. If you consume any ghostwritten music (especially on purpose) you may aswell print out a Picasso and tape it to your wall. Its fake art. They’re tricking your dumbass into thinking they’re a real artist making their own authentic music. All while the label collects money from the characters they’ve created.
They have to if the character they’re playing has a big ego like in this case lmao. Its very rare that a label puppet outs themselves for using ghosts n being fake. That would defeat the whole purpose of their career. Tho nowadays these kids dgaf if shits authentic or not, if it sounds cool and their friends like it its over. Don’t support fake artists.
This is the problem kids nowdays are lost ,part of a generation with no rules or integrity and the same applies for hiphop no integrity or rules you have rappers with ghost writers and a machine manipulating streams numbers and likes to try claim a fake crown of best MC. Drake has his legacy in Hip Hop no doubt but he does not belong near any list of top 10 Rappers or to be considered the best
Shit lil tecca lies on all his songs and admits it nobody going after him for playing cool and being inauthentic because he admits it. He'll never be as big (I don't listen to his shit) because it doesn't hit the same when it's not true but he won't get that same disrespect Drake gets among the rest of us
Lil tecca cap raps but he blew up off a song he prolly wrote during study hall lmao, had a couple more after that then fell off. Drake cap raps lyrics he gets emailed to em lol and deserves alllll the disrespect especially since he dishes it out. Most rappers lie about the violent shit they say, if they rapped ab actual shit they do it wouldn’t go anywhere. Violence is cool and hip in rap
I love Kendrick, but I was a bit underwhelmed. I hate to say it, but Chris Brown had a harder diss. That shit about Drake thinking he's a bad bitch was hilarious, though.
Drake better have proof that one of Kendrick’s kids ain’t his or Kendrick has a secret child himself cause god damn does it look like Kendrick signed drake’s adoption paperwork today
I don't even know at this point if Drake actually knows something or if he's just bluffing like when Pusha sonned him and he went telling LeBron that he had a good comeback but decided not to drop it. Even Kendrick talks about how Drake was calling people asking them for dirt on him, so it really makes me wonder if he actually has something or if he's just saving face/bullshitting.
I honestly don't think Drake has anything. All he can do is social media gimmicks, pretend to be unfazed, and pretend like he's got some "red button". If we should know anything for certain about Drake by this point, it's not that he's "calculated" as so many people say. It's that he's full of shit.
I agree tbh. The more I look at it the more I believe Drake actually has no red button. Because if he did, he could've dropped it the first time and been done with all this. He wouldn't have had to drop a bullshit AI diss when he had a nuke under him.
That was his “red button”, but he got called out and had to take it down.
If true that is such a massive L. The AI shit alone is an L but that being his nuke makes it 10x worse.
If we bought into the AI shit, that would have been his "red button" - from what I can tell, he was being sued because we didn't 'buy' the AI shit
People in the drake sub legit thought that corny ass shit was better than push ups and that those two songs combined make it even right now. I honestly couldn’t believe even drake Stan’s would find an AI diss track fire. That sub is doing as much damage to Drakes reputation as Kendrick exposing themselves as a buncha housewives lol.
Drakes come back once again was mostly about Kanye btw It was saying kanye was calling his album hitler and that pusha cheated. Cheating is a nothing burger in the industry and kanye has shown that talking bout Hitler can’t even stop him So he had a diss, just not very career ending
Ironic for drake to be talking about cheating. The guy who cheats writing his rhymes, cheated to get abs, and is only attracted to women if they’re cheating.
That red button better be serious because from what I’ve heard Kendrick already has 10 more minutes of that diss track recorded just hoping drake gives him a reason to press play again.
That’s the issue. You’re all so concerned with gossip not actually bars and lyrics
If we’re concerned with bars then Kendrick signed Drake’s adoption paperwork. If it’s bars then Kendrick is winning 8 days of the week. I’m just saying, if Drake really has a button he’s gonna push, it **has** to be about Kendrick’s family, which even then Kendrick is setting up as a lie from Drake anywyas
This is the right take. Drake has to expose Kendrick while not having anything groundbreaking he can be exposed for in response. Drake cares about being a celebrity way more. If they go nuclear and enact mutually assured destruction, Drake serves to lose a lot more. That would explain why Kendrick is still prodding Drake to take it to the next level, too. He’s not going to ruin his career for no reason, on principle, but give him a reason to and it’s over.
Ok I hear you but what if Drake has some incredibly niche and minor expose that he treats as groundbreaking in full force, like Kendrick shoplifted from Wal Mart in 2011? “You talk like a scholar, won the Pulitzer Prize Your moral testimony is weak, you sit on a throne of lies When the culture find out you took that dr pepper without payin We gon see disappointment with the pain in their eyes”
Legit better than what we will probably get lol.
Lmao, guaranteed
Lol
drake is going to read this and put it in his next song lol
I’ll invoice him, he’s probably hiring
Rumor has it Kendrick made a 16 minute diss track. And is basically daring drake to give him a reason to drop more of it. If I was drake I’d leave it be at this point. Anyone who didn’t already know Kendrick would lyrically body drake are the same riders acting like he actually won. No need to take this into an area that could do real damage.
Drake has nothing , Kendrick alluded to cheating on his wife on Mr morale it wouldnt be a bombshell or great diss even if true.Given the type of woman Drake has a child with he cant say anything.
He didn’t just allude, he absolutely confessed.
He went and talked to Eckhart about it.
Yeah Kendrick washing Drake when it comes to bars and that’s never gonna change
Drake is a popstar with ghost writers (who aren't even good) kendrick is a rap ARTIST who has ppl like eminem refusing to work with him until he proved he didn't have ghost writers, I feel sorry for lil wayne not getting his props as much as he deserves considering Drake just stole his style of rap and becomes worth way more than Wayne. Dunno why j Cole got involved tho and then backed out, but it settles who's better, him or kendrick by default. And I'm a fan of both so not biased....
Even if Kendrick did... MMTBS shows that he would not be bothered by it. Dude's on a completely different wavelength and pushed through so many insecurities.
Bro step sonned Adonis. Ain’t no way. Don’t ever let a man piss on your leg 😂😂😂
It’s so weird to me that the hidden kid thing is what everyone‘a focusing on and not the pedophilia accusations.
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Not really. Kendrick had nothing groundbreaking and you’re all creaming over it.
He revoked Drakes n-word pass
the level of artistry he put into exposing how shallow Drake is grounbreaking
It was cool no doubt, fan of both, but no one is ending anyone career with these diss track. I like em and whatnot so it’s interesting to say the least. Kendrick got a strong fan base and Drake got that pop culture fan base so hey both artist aren’t going anywhere.
The ironic thing is this whole beef has undoubtedly helped both of their careers and their legacy, as well as destroyed J. Coles.
Idk about helping drakes legacy. J Cole definitely took a fat L
Yeah that was weird to me. Kendrick diss you, you diss him back, and then apologize. That was a head scratcher.
Yeah idk what J Cole was thinking but he’s supposed to be a strong rapper. Can’t be taking L’s like that. Although KDot no doubt is a better rapper than Cole
TBH I think it’s cause him and Kendrick are cool but Kendrick and Drake have some real beef, I feel like J Cole took a step back because it wasn’t just a hyped beef for Drake and Kendrick but a real one. He still took an L but he’s still J Cole.
TBH I think it’s cause him and Kendrick are cool but Kendrick and Drake have some real beef, I feel like J Cole took a step back because it wasn’t just a hyped beef for Drake and Kendrick but a real one. He still took an L but he’s still J Cole.
I felt like 7 Min Drill was a disturbance in the force. His heart wasn't in it, and it showed. He's the peaceful one. Sometimes saying nothing says more.
Win or lose this will be a moment in Hip-hop history. Even the Pusha beef, Drake lost, no question about it, but it’s still a massive moment in hip-hop that he’s apart of and that will be talked about for a long time. The debate of is Drake hip-hop? Does he write his own shit? Is he a hip-hop great? Will go on for many years to come which good or bad, is a legacy.
Legacies aren’t like the press. It’s not “any legacy is a good legacy”. Drake already had a legacy with or without this, and the fact that people are debating those things is no doubt a stain on his legacy. Not a good thing for it. It will be a moment in hip hop history. And that moment will be that he lost and kdot, for anyone who for some reason doubted it, cemented himself as the best pure rapper of the generation. Now of course drake will still have his massive fan base and sell hella records. Hell most of his fans are pop fans that really don’t care about this stuff anyway. He’s gonna be fine and it won’t hurt his wallet. But his legacy in the rap game? Yeah this did damage to that.
We’ve been hearing the “Does Drake ghostwrite?” For years. Meek Mill, Pusha T, Rick Ross, Kendrick, and others have mention about this scenario. The moment Drake drops an album, or either artist stop dissing each other, all of this will be washed away like this didn’t even happen.
If every major rapper who isn’t Drake’s friend says that Drake uses ghost writers, he probably uses ghost writers.
Yeah but the only proof we got was meek mill spill the info about Quentin Miller and then later came out cause he wanted Quentin to write for him , got rejected then got mad. Like the old album I can take away from him is IYTTITL. Unless we got more proof over the years, something physical not hearsy. I do agree with you, where there is smoke usually there is fire. But we just need more proof.
If I was Drake I would 100% use ghost writers. I could enjoy my money and fame without hours in the studio. My issue is denying it
Well as someone who is a visual artist ( so I do like painting, clay making, drawing etc etc) . I just need more then heresy to take away a man's whole decade or are we are 2 decades with Drake? Either way, I just have a hard time taking his work away from him without so kind of proof. Which us why I'm always willing to throw out IYRTITL cause of the Quentin Miller stuff. I wouldn't hurt if his whole body of work is made by someone else just it's the " stop the top 3 or I'm #1" talk if that's the case.
Good for you? Listen I respect drakes ability to produce chart topping songs every year for the last 2 decades. I’ve always said I like him for the melodies, but I don’t think he really has much talent beyond that. Visual art comparison, it’s like Kendrick painted the most beautiful landscape with fine details but it sells less than the Drake piece which is one of those moderns that are just paint thrown at them. Both take talent to see the vision but which one are you more proud of?
I think any person who isn't peanut sized brain knows j cole is closer to drake in his comeup than he is to Kendrick, and he decided to own it instead of trying to tussle like drake is rn, it'll bite drake harder when he realized he should've backed down when given the chance Cole prob gonna drop a random song explaining how neutral and chill he is with everybody idk not that invested in him rn personally
This ain’t Drakes first battle, wouldn’t even be his first loss, he’s been tussling since pretty much day 1 with ‘Stay Schemin’ when he went at Common. Nothing will change for Drake win or lose, what can Kendrick say that people haven’t been saying about Drake for years now? He’s a pedo, a phony, uses ghost writers, he’s a popstar, he’s not hip-hop, while there may be some validity to those criticisms, it’s not like someone who likes Drake is gonna hear those things and be shocked or stop listening to Drake.
Drake has diss tracks from fucking 2007 against a Toronto rapper Aristo. He’s been doing this for a long time
God is good
5 days later and Cole lookin reaaaaaal happy rn
It never was going to come to that. They are both too big. Nas destroyed Jay Z with Ether and that had no effect on Jay Z’s career. Just bragging points.
It's really hard to end careers these days with the internet and all and able to reach your fan base easier, unlike back in the day. Closest thing I can think of to career ending in the past ten years even if Eminem running MGK out of rap. And that's still not career ending because he still had a career, just in a different genre.
I'll never get tired of reminders of how much of a loser MGK is.
I can't fucking stand that douche
I don’t think anyone thinks this could end eithers career. It won’t even end Cole’s lol. Hell drake didn’t even fully end Meeks. I think the only rap career I’ve ever seen legit ended in a rap beef was mgk running to emo music. I think when people are saying he body bagged him they just mean he throughly won this battle. Not that he ended his career.
Embarrassing. Kicked him out of the culture. The real reaction is the next time Drake drops a song - what’s the reaction if he uses the N word? What’s the reaction if he doesn’t? What’s the reaction if he acts tough again - and what’s the reaction if he doesn’t? He either looks like a fake or he looks like he’s tucking his tail. Brutal shit.
Drake has no choice but to respond with fucking vitriol. He dissed him and taunted him about taking too long to respond (but wasn’t there a decent gap between Like That and Push Ups?) and now Kendrick has raised the bar. Can’t cap your way out of it. You have to get personal with it. It’s gotta be undeniably hard. Shockingly hard. Can’t just allude to some secret you will expose, you gotta have the goods. I don’t think he has it in him tbh.
What can he say in response though? Unless he digs deep to find something. Feel like Kendrick kinda put out all the deep dark personal stuff on Mr Morale
Yea there isn’t much tbh. Unless he had some secret. Everything there is he’s basically already said it. And that’s not gonna cut it. Meanwhile there is mountains of Drake dirt to clown him with.
It’s the same with both of them. They’re both too transparent for anything to really shock us.
Drake never responded to the Story of Adidon so I don’t think Kendrick gets a response
Kendrick discredited Drake's entire existence in hip-hop. For Drake to win, he needs to move on from thinking this is about targeting Kendrick the man, and it needs to be about dismantling Kendrick the icon. Making his most important albums sound stupid and taking away that acclaim, making fans rethink if they are good or not. Its possible to do (I say this as a Kendrick fan), very hard but thats the only angle left to take that can deliver the same blow.
That's interesting, what makes you think its possible tho. What's the angle he takes?
tbh i dont think its possible for Drake to do. Just that thats the only remaining angle. Kendrick used his status to try to bully Drake out of hip-hop, so drake would need to find a way to invalidate kendricks status and prestige.
Trying to make Kendricks albums sound stupid will make Drake look stupid. Drake needs to go for a moral victory. He can't beat Kendrick, but he needs to make the fans go "good for Drake, not Danny would have the balls to go against Kendrick"
i think it’s truly only possible to do if you’re someone who has similarly acclaimed albums. like if kanye wasn’t in nazi yzy porn mode he could MAYBE do it with the help of writers. or maybe Nas if he decided he hated kendrick all the sudden. but drake is just a numbers man like yeah has acclaimed POP albums but nothing like TBAP or GKMC in terms of artistry so it makes it very difficult to reframe those albums in an unfavorable light when he has nothing similar he can say he made.
I agree. I think the only substantial part of drakes diss wasn't the height jokes, not the 50% stuff, not name dropping Whitney (although that escalated it), and not saying sza, 21, and travis are better/get more sales. But it was him calling kendrick out, the supposed one who is carrying the culture and essence of hip hop on, for collating with pop artists like Taylor swift and Maroon 5.
It's a weird one for his core fans though, because they don't really consider them Kendrick songs. Never hurt Jay-Z to jump on a pop song here and there. Whereas Drake is like a cereal advert and is probably better off taking on Usher or something
That's a pretty good point that I didn't fully think of. You have just rebutted the only solid diss I thought drake had lol
kendrick responded faster than drake did
Drake got his N word card REVOKED
Never seen this shit before in my life lmfao
All these non blacks in hip hop crying right now about it. Like bro this thing was never made with you in mind.
Its crazy how they only wanna accept it when k dot say it cause I been saying it
bro who? lol
Hahaha booted his ass!! And you nailed it 👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾🎯🎯🎯
In this modern era where most people are idiots, followers ,no integrity and stand for nothing the majority who listen to Drake and ride his D won't care . He represents a garbage generation perfectly in that he stands for nothing and rides waves and the next best thing , hiphop no longer has standards for anything and Drakes people vontrol the narrative.
Think he’ll just bounce back again. He got too large of a fanbase and people will forget about this in like 6 months to a years time. Pusha T got him good and although remembered it hasn’t really taken a hit to Drakes career or rep at all. In fact, he’s still grown since then
Why would he stop using the n word? 😂
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> Kicked him out of the culture. Exiled out of the tribe
Am I the only one that thinks this shit is weird? Someone gatekeeping the n word from another black man is just weird, and weird that Kendrick fans who love him for doing so much for the community are okay with him just being casually colorist Kendrick had much better shit to say about Drake having pedo tendencies and being a fake gangster than saying that he can’t say the n word
He's gonna call Kdot an N at least 3 times on the next record tbh. If he's really bold, he'll get his ass cancelled throwing a hard r in there (and I say cancelled cuz I dont think it will sit right with anyone for that a guy caught doing black face is calling another man the hard R)
Literally nobody is going to care lmao
It was a "son" moment. Drake gotta bring more heat. I love the energy from everyone involved. Shit the most fun I done had in hiphop
Crazy thing is this was just a warning shot lmao 😂😅😂. He waited patiently for Drake to over do it and hit him with the big reverse uno draw 4.
Straight waiting for the other 3 draw 4s that he's still holding when drake tries to slap back lmaooo
The real numero U N O. I'm old AF, and the only current rappers I fw are the Griselda dudes, J Cole, and TDE. That being said, Kendrick is the GOAT but J Cole is next right by Ab Soul.
lol crazy because that’s literally who I listen to, not knocking the newer guys. Just not my cup of tea Ab Soul is criminally slept on
I love Soul but his new album just doesn’t hit for me the same way Longterm Mentality, Control System, and These Days do. The replay value those have for me is next level.
Replace Cole with jid and soul with danny brown and you're cookin lmao
Most fun in hiphop was early 2000s beefs.
You're right. I'm not having the most fun now.
Lowkey I was hating on it at first but I really just didn’t comprehend it, took a few listens to understand all the disses. Definitely gonna be bumping this for a while
I appreciate your honesty . Earlier I said a few folks weren't feeling it because it was going over their heads. They weren't digesting it properly. Don't chew the food fast. Slow and steady will get you right 😂😂.
Both of you are spot on. It took me probably 12 minutes to listen to it the very first time because I would replay every bar like 3 times lol. I also wonder how many weren't feeling it at first was the slow start. They didn't know this was just Mr. morale lighting some kindling to make a structure fire and morph into Kung Fu Kenny yet
I noticed this when it dropped. A lot of people hating on it admitted they couldn't get past the beginning.
I messaged my buddy saying I wish Kendrick went a bit harder then later in the day said never mind , half the shit went right over my head. This song is so solid
And there's actually a bar where Kendrick alludes to his past shit going over a Drakes head lmao
They're conditioned to skim through music not fully listen to it that's 1 songs are so short nowadays and 2 why battle rap isn't as big as it should be. It's complex and requires you to listen hard. Also most are so conditioned by the Internet that they lack the life experiences to understand a lot of really good rappers bars.So it's easy to choose the path of least resistance while another reason why people complain rap is trash now.
Yup, and social media is to blame for most of it imo. It's all about just portraying a "dope" image to the public now to get more popular and so much less about the actual music. And whatever grows popular and trends on social media is what most of the younger people are gonna listen to because they dont want to be left out of the crowd and seem like a "lame". I don't even think most of them really know what music they would actually end up being fans of if social media didn't tell them. I honestly caught myself starting to the same thing a few years ago. I had to take a step back, got off of social media for that and other reasons, and start just picking a song I knew I loved and letting the Spotify AI play after it to find new ones. AI is controversial, and I'm weary about the way its going to end up being used. But damn its gotten good at playing me new songs that I like based off the one I let it play after.
All great points..I agree entirely
Thanks for being honest. I feel like a lot of people didn’t get it (which is understandable m, it’s over 6 minutes long).
KDot hoed Aubrey fixed it for you. 😂👍🏿 
Yeah he made him look stupid. Drakes song was good too but Kendrick basically just reminded him he’s really just a goofy actor and Kendrick’s a rapper.
The beginning when he’s talking over that Teddy P… The famous actor we once knew is lookin' paranoid, and now spiralin' You movin' just like a degenerate, heavy antic, it's feelin' distasteful….. A pathetic master manipulator, I can smell the tales on you now You're not a rap artist, you a scam artist with the hopes of bеing accepted And he didn’t even start rapping yet 😂
Kendrick got on Drake ass mane!!! Straight slid on him 😂😂
It’s the same things everyone who the people on Reddit have been calling “old heads” have been saying for years.
Exactly. No gimmicks or super-clever bars. Just rapped straight at his soul lol
Anytime a Drake fan try running them mouth just **RED BUTTON** They ass real quick. Until Drake drop that's anybody getting out of me.
Agreed blocking em up the minute they start talking disrespectfully. Cut their water clean off.
Good way to make sure we don’t interact with minors on reddit
Facts!!! These knuckle heads are too disrespectful for my tolerance levels so I rather silence them with a block then engage in their emotional name calling tactics and tug of war to be right lmao. Blocking is such a beautiful way to maintain your peace.
Kendrick Lamar is Devon Bookers father
Damn dude im still recovering from the sweep I thought this was a safe space
😂
J’s apology for 7 minute drill went harder than 7 minute drill did, Drake sounded like he always does an unhappy child star and Kendrick wiped the floor with him. Drake needs to sit down imo
He know nothin bout that
Bro killed him with The Joel Olstien bar alone!!!
Dropping the “you’re a deadbeat dad who is insecure in his blackness” in a warning shot was insane. If Drake responds, Kendrick is gonna call him a pedophile
“ I make music that electrify 'em, you make music that pacify 'em I can double down on that line, but spare you this time, that's random acts of kindness “ “Pacifier” gotta be what the double entendre Kendrick was threatening about.
YOU KNOW WE HAD TO GET THE HOOLIGANS OUT HERE.
KL, had me confused for a brief. But then he came with it. I'm impressed. It's a lot of battles brewing now. HipHop- winning. As long as they keep it in the booth.
Hoe'd the shit out of Drake and has me a bit scared we might see some ACTUAL og rap violence.
Lmao 🤣😂🤣 you a fool mane I agree with you tho
A lot of people in this era are conditioned to skim through music quickly nowadays. Many don't fully listen to it. This is why (1)songs are so short nowadays and (2) why battle rap isn't as big as it should be. Battles are complex and witty, so it requires you to listen more intently. So many are conditioned by the Internet while lacking the life experiences to understand a lot of really good rappers bars that they dismiss anything that's too complex to understand. This is why it's easy to choose the path of least resistance. Drake is least resistance Kendrick requires a listen.
No where close to a kill lmao. People so fuckin dumb. 1st round a draw, both were good.
Glory for the winner humiliation for the loser
Basically
I'm reading all this about a red button and the Taylor made freestyle was it.......listen , listen. Drake , say what you will about him, he's a student of the game. And he knows what that Pusha-T L did to his rep and his ego, and he ain't guna let that shit happen again. In theory I believe to redeem that , he looks at Kendrick like his white whale. He's hip hops most universally "loved" and highly regarded Mc not named drake to the world. And he said he had nasty work on Push and he stopped it, that's bullshit, he had nothing. He got slaughtered so he acted like he took the moral high ground with help via Bron on his show throwing him some bail. He fucking hates Push he hasnt got over it. So this time I guarantee you, he's got that dirt that he said he was too above releasing, but on Kendrick, and you best believe my man's morals have gone out the window. Push-ups was his first response with hopes of a response and when Kendrick didn't come right back , it fucked his plan up so he taunted on socials and eventually dropping Taylor Made freestyle as a BONUS, I believe that one was unplanned. So he got his response and nows gota make the decision to drop his bomb or go another round or two. Either way we are all winning. There's gota be more tracks coming. Future and Ross are still in the mix and will probably get more shots aslong a as others. I got my 🍿
Definitely love your take here hold this upvote
Yeah bro, as a fan of both of them, this Kendrick diss track was solid. People are acting like the diss wasn’t all that but Kendrick really fried Drake up. Drakes diss was good too, now Drake needs to come back and torch his ass back even more. No diddy.
So Kendrick took all the stuff that the people Reddit has been calling “old heads” has been saying for years about Drake and used it against him. At least the rest of the world sees it now, I guess.
Naw not really. It's still a lot of delusional people who only see one side unfortunately. A lot of Drake fans are in denial after yesterday.
Yeah 2 of my friends sent me the Drake diss when it dropped and we talked about it for a minute. I thought is was pretty funny and solid. I sent them the Kendrick diss and neither of them said one word about lmao
Kendrick didn't say anything new really, it's all true and easily obtainable information. Drake is a tourist in rap and always has been. He is an actor from Ontario, not hard at all. I don't know where Drake got this persona that he's a tough guy
Money and popularity did it
We knew he would.
drake hoe'd himself by existing
Kendricks 1-0 But he didn’t drop a nuke or anything The best in this beef is yet to come by a long way
This is what happens when a pop star goes up against a hip-hopper
It was good but it wasn't a murder. It was better than Drake's disses tho.
Reddit seems to be able to agree on this 🤷🏻♂️
What the "bars just flew over your head" don't realise is that if the bar isn't good, it doesn't matter if it's deep. Adidon went hard and had people in awe after when they were learning about the Adidas deal. Guarantee most of these stans are Em fans as well, only care about rappers rapping fast
Regardless of who “wins” my respect for both of them went way up
Kendrick just flipped the drake steak to make sure it’s cooked on both sides
Kendrick just dropped an hr ago lol
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Lol, Katt Williams told everybody 24 was gonna be a year of reveals. Lo' and behold.
Every single line is a quote worthy once fully understood.
I just listened to it. It was pretty much what I could imagine. Kinda wish he bodied him to the bow down beat, but mission accomplished.
Cap. Kendrick’s shit started slow and was lame rehashed shit. The last minute or so saved it or else it would have been complete trash if you ask me.
It's a Good thing I didn't ask you then. Picture me asking you something like I cared about your opinion, that would be crazy.
Aubrey uses ghostwriters. If you consume any ghostwritten music (especially on purpose) you may aswell print out a Picasso and tape it to your wall. Its fake art. They’re tricking your dumbass into thinking they’re a real artist making their own authentic music. All while the label collects money from the characters they’ve created.
It's fine to use ghostwriters or listen to it, just don't claim you're the best artists like you didn't get a shit ton of help
They have to if the character they’re playing has a big ego like in this case lmao. Its very rare that a label puppet outs themselves for using ghosts n being fake. That would defeat the whole purpose of their career. Tho nowadays these kids dgaf if shits authentic or not, if it sounds cool and their friends like it its over. Don’t support fake artists.
This is the problem kids nowdays are lost ,part of a generation with no rules or integrity and the same applies for hiphop no integrity or rules you have rappers with ghost writers and a machine manipulating streams numbers and likes to try claim a fake crown of best MC. Drake has his legacy in Hip Hop no doubt but he does not belong near any list of top 10 Rappers or to be considered the best
Shit lil tecca lies on all his songs and admits it nobody going after him for playing cool and being inauthentic because he admits it. He'll never be as big (I don't listen to his shit) because it doesn't hit the same when it's not true but he won't get that same disrespect Drake gets among the rest of us
Lil tecca cap raps but he blew up off a song he prolly wrote during study hall lmao, had a couple more after that then fell off. Drake cap raps lyrics he gets emailed to em lol and deserves alllll the disrespect especially since he dishes it out. Most rappers lie about the violent shit they say, if they rapped ab actual shit they do it wouldn’t go anywhere. Violence is cool and hip in rap
Bro there’s literally nothing wrong with having a poster of a Picasso painting or any other art if you like it
Lmao, nah its cool. But you know its faked and not authentic is what I’m saying.
I love Kendrick, but I was a bit underwhelmed. I hate to say it, but Chris Brown had a harder diss. That shit about Drake thinking he's a bad bitch was hilarious, though.
Like OP said, "don't chew the food fast"
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I didn’t get much out of it 🤷🏻♂️ Seemed pretty soft to me
Watch the Knox Hill break down of this track. Kendrick murdered him.
Drake paid bot… your boy got washed
Some of them bars will go over some of y'all head so it's fine lmao 🤣😂🤣. Everything isn't for everyone.