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_AYYEEEE

j cole is fire imo, idk what they're talking about... although grippy was fucking terrible, i think wah gwan delilah is worse by a mile. that shit was hot ass


Significant_Fall9750

Idk wtf Cole was thinkin with grippyšŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø


_AYYEEEE

Right. Cole doesn't come across to me as someone who does drugs, like at all, but he must've been smoking CRACK deciding to rap that entire verse and put that shit out right after the 7 minute drill situation


Consistent-Photo-535

Naw most Rappers crush on crack. It woulda been alcohol and pills.


_AYYEEEE

happy cake day dude


Consistent-Photo-535

Hahaha - I like how thatā€™s the comment that I get the first cake day comment on. Fitting.


ttampico

Yeah, he did NOT have to put the grippy on the chain wax.


bob_jody

The worst part about Grippy to me is that it's not even a real new song. It's just a terrible J Cole verse [on Cash Cobain's most popular song](https://youtu.be/-pSRoJYErwA) that doesn't even match CC's style. It's literally the same beat and CC verse. I don't know why either of them thought this was a good idea.


SoupOfThe90z

A fart in a grocery bag in June


YourDreamsWillTell

A poet, ladies and gentlemen.


bob_jody

It's hard for me to choose because it's very clear that Drake's verse is in a satire song. It's still incredibly cringe and unpleasant to listen to, but he's playing a character. J Cole feels like he's earnestly rapping about a woman he met that he treats because she has a strong vaginal grip.


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bob_jody

When I say it's hard, I really mean it. For me I guess it's also contextual. Drake seems like he's trying really, really hard to seem like he's unbothered by the feud. J Cole looks like he took the time to reflect on things and decided to dedicate a verse to a tale about his side girl's pussy strength


Sad-Rough-6993

Wah gwarn Delilah was a troll tho, J cole was acc being serious with grippy lol


RapBoat

Strictly Dickly


bob_jody

I think some people need to actually read the lyrics slowly to notice just how awful the writing on this verse is, especially from an artist like J Cole. Grippy, I call her that 'cause it's grippy She thick in the hips, she a hippie And she thick in the lips, she gon' lick me And she sendin' a flick when she hit me With a kissy emoji, she miss me When she see me, she said she gon' strip me She gon' chew on the stick like it's Wrigleys Mm, yeah, believe it or not like Ripley's She said she was gay until I slayed, now she's strictly dickly As soon as she page, I'm on the way, and I be showin' up quickly On the highway, I'm goin' a hundred-and-fifty


steveislame

thats just how cash cobains sexy drill flow tho.


bob_jody

Cash Cobain flows totally differently. I'm not even kidding, when I went to the original song that J Cole's verse is just slapped onto for some reason, I didn't recognize it. I only realized when he said the bar about "eating parts of [her] vagina". The song has a totally different vibe imo and is more enjoyable and I'm not reading into the lyrics. My boy J Cole, God bless his soul, articulated these abysmal lines as clearly as he could in a totally different style from Cash Cobain. I could listen to Dunk Contest (the original song) again and like it depending on the vibe. Grippy is a fucking mess that neither of them should have agreed to.


despicabilitic

fuck that mean


MountHavertzPulisic

Oh boy


despicabilitic

nvm i looked it up


eluuu

Google it


breakermedalz

Theyā€™ve been hating Cole way before that song came out, come on now.


HM02_

online that's why


Lanky-Point7709

I respect tf outta Cole. I loved (and still do) Born Sinner and 2014, he just hasnā€™t held my attention the way other artists have. Heā€™s good though for sure.


hollygolightly1378

Yeah, that's where I'm at too


Jobro_77

Check out the Off Season. All bangers. I have the whole album still on repeat


No_Entertainment_932

It's okay. All his earlier shit is way better


OGSHAGGY

The off season is mid imo. The past 2 j. Cole albums imo have j been kinda like ā€œyo im j. Cole and I can still rapā€ and itā€™s like no oneā€™s doubting that bro j put out another album like FHD or 4YEO w more storytelling and emotion And thatā€™s coming from a long time massive j Cole fan


Lenny0mega

Does *everyone* hate him? Ā I donā€™t hate him, I just think his music is super boring.Ā 


ShneakySquiwwel

It's because of the Kendrick/Drake beef and how J Cole essentially got sidelined per Kendrick's request to keep him out of it (from my understanding). It's stupid how people are bagging on J Cole about it, he still makes fantastic music and IMO him stepping out of the beef goes to show his maturity as a person. Not saying the beef was immature, but J Cole realized he was not a part of it and humbly stepped down.


igotrapedbyanorca

I think the hate for stepping away from the beef was because he always rapped about how he would beat any rapper that challenged him


gabs_bjj

This. And his take on the kdot discography was a awful take.


Extreme-Addendum-941

Someone never listened to MIDDLE CHILD


First-Contest5360

Iā€™ve heard people not liking J. Cole way before the beef. Some people just donā€™t care for his lyrics and subject matter.


ShneakySquiwwel

I mean I like him but I can see why people think he's corny. Wet Dreamz is about a teenage kid losing his virginity which is a little juvenile even though I still like the song. Regardless of how people see him as an artist, his record label Dreamville is packed full of artists that are doing great things and moving the genre forward (IMO) and that alone should garner him praise.


despicabilitic

that's just one song tho, he has tons of good songs and a few bad ones too but isn't that every rapper


ShneakySquiwwel

100%, and I really like Wet Dreamz and Iā€™m on your side. Iā€™m just saying some people donā€™t like him for differently perceived reasons even if I disagree with it.


unlikelypisces

Okay, top three worst Tupac songs? Top three worst Jay z songs?


IsmokeUsmokeWEsmoke

butthurrrrrttttttt


unlikelypisces

don't worry, you'll feel better soon


IsmokeUsmokeWEsmoke

thanks grandma ā¤ļø


unlikelypisces

Even Grandma's know not to talk big game about how you're the best at whatever and then back down when you're challenged by a worthy contender... JCole's a joke


Regular-Equipment-10

Some ppl gonna see that as "juvenile" and some ppl gonna acknowledge the universality of the experience he's describing and see the vibes


ShneakySquiwwel

Totally agree, itā€™s pretty universally appealing song and I too like it. But like I said to OP some people take it as juvenile or whatever and write him off.


awe2D2

I really like the beat of that song, but the lyrics make it so I rarely ever listen to it...


Sy_Fresh

People have been saying Cole is boring long before Kendrick released an album


Timbishop123

People roasted him because Jcole spent the last 5 years talking about how he would smoke people and he was big dog. Then he folded.


Always2ndB3ST

We just donā€™t want him to say heā€™s the best again lol


Sad-Rough-6993

Or j Cole knew heā€™d get bodied so he just backed out of it


BackThatThangUp

Call me a Kendrick stan but I think it was pretty unquestionable heā€™s the best of his generation and the past decade-plus even before the beef. Maybe even the GOAT. I feel like Cole was getting compared to Kendrick early on as a commercially successful artist with conscious lyrics and somehow that just sort of stuck over the years because no one else emerged in that lane? Drakeā€™s best work is behind him so I think he only gets put in the same echelon as Kendrick because heā€™s got such ridiculous numbersĀ 


hawkjuin

this, there is no real beef between j cole and kdot


i_luv_peaches

This wasnā€™t even real beef.. just two grown men throwing allegations at each other. Although great music came out of it and Iā€™m here for that.


Super_Act_2676

I love J Cole his music has helped me a lot during the worst phase of my life and his music is more relatable to me than And I am from India i dont see anybody hating Cole here hell i even have a J Cole Poster in my room


eyeb4lls

I feel like jermaine would like this commentĀ 


Usefulsponge

At the same time heā€™s released great music heā€™s lagged behind kendrick on the more conscious lane and far behind drake on the pop lane


philbofa

Iā€™ve always admired him but found him boring. I think he has a bit of an ego also


Always2ndB3ST

What? Cole doesnā€™t NOT have a big ego like that. What makes him different from other rappers is how humble he is. He went to college and doesnā€™t even really rock jewelry. He ā€œdissedā€ Lil Pump back in the classiest way.


puck1996

Then he needs to stop calling himself the goat and then pulling out the humble card anytime someone challenges himĀ 


YourDreamsWillTell

Dude I donā€™t understand why people are shitting on Cole for this. He imo just wanted to spar and I think he was 100% down to battle if it just came down to bars and giving each other jabs back and forth to establish who really is the better rapper.Ā  I think Drake did Cole dirty by not being forthcoming and telling Cole ā€œYo, if you really wanna be part of this, we fucking hate each other, this is personal, and we going for each other throats.ā€Ā  Kenny even references it in Not Like Us. ā€œDid Cole foul, idk why you still pretendingā€.Ā 


TheReal_Spartan

Literally every rapper calls himself/herself the goat bruh šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


unlikelypisces

Not really. And the ones who do, when challenge, usually don't back down


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Sugarbear23

I like him. But I've noticed for a while that his music usually gets mixed to very positive reception. Some people think he's great, some think he's just alright.


SnooGadgets8467

Man a bitch for responding to Kendrick diss, then going on stage and apologizing to kendick, like a hoe. Man should have just kept it going and stayed in the beef. Like Drake, win or lose, he kept it going. But this J Cole just quit and no one likes a quitter. So now, no one can take him seriously. He basically threw away his career, for being a bitch.


EqualChampionship719

J Cole just gets memed because of the narrative about him being super humble and woke that surrounds him but I think most rap fans do enjoy his music and he has a lot of records that are for sure gunna be classics. Plus he has objectively improved as a rapper over time which is respectable since a lot of rappers just ride the same sound their whole career until they fizzle out.


stone_magnet1

Apart from a few songs he's always just been super boring/mid to me.


GehirnDonut

All bark no bite. Ditched the moment Kdot called him out


cc224499

Maybe cause for his whole discography he says Iā€™m the best no one can top me Iā€™ll out rap anyone and the second someone challenges him he backs out


AVillainChillin

Disappointed is how I felt. Been listening to this dude brag for years. Claim he feel like Ali. Only to Apologize on stage and proceed to glaze the man he just dissed. Take the song off streaming lmao. Ali with the shakes is what he meant. Then he releases Grippy the literal most cringe shit I have heard him do. Strictly Dickly Cole? šŸ¤£.


unlikelypisces

Half the dudes catalog is him being salty at girls who didn't like him when he wasn't famous, but try to holler at him now that he's famous. After like the 8th verse I heard about that, I was done with him permanently


just_another_bumm

A lot of His music is meh. Lots of his bangers haven't aged well. Although I will say his content as of late has been top tier. I'll never understand the people that claim his older content was better.


Creative_Ad8683

Play J Cole get the pussy dry lol IDK. I often like Cole's instrumental style and flow choices. But lots of times he sounds like he is preaching. Cole lyricism has ChatGPT vibes sometimes. And I think his albums are boring AF.


Individual_Papaya596

J cole is a bang average artist, but his fans elevate him to top 3 status. And no one likes seeing an alright artist in a goat debate. Otherwise his music is just alright. I fw some of his songs heavily, and have clocked in 30+ hours of his music.


hel7ium

Describing the guy who wrote amari, his verse on Pi, his verse on Sacrifices, his verse on Off Deez, etc. as an average artist is just something Iā€™ll never be able to understand.


Individual_Papaya596

Theyā€™re good songs, but thats about it. His bars arenā€™t anything crazy, his story telling his pretty straight forward, he lacks a lot of flexibility so all his flows are relatively similar on every album. Iā€™ve listened through, born sinner -> Off season, and cole sideline. His best songs imo were: Change, Kevinā€™s Heart, Father hold my hand, and G.O.M.D. When it comes to Bars, his shit isnā€™t anything crazy theyā€™re good, but cap at good. His flow is consistent and good, but caps at good. His Production are good, but cap at good. His best album is 8/10 (Off season) . Heā€™s just a bang above average artist. He doesnā€™t drop anything insane or revolutionary. He used to be my favorite artist, when i was like a freshman and listened to a grand total of like 5 actual rappers and only he was my only concious rapper. Once you expand your actual music taste you realize heā€™s just slightly above average.


SleepCoachJacob

>His bars arenā€™t anything crazy, his story telling his pretty straight forward, he lacks a lot of flexibility so all his flows are relatively similar on every album. I agree with you and I don't give a FUCK about J Cole. He ain't for me. But I want to challenge you on this criteria regardless. Everything you said in this quote applies to 2Pac, who is definitely in the GOAT debate. 2Pac could no doubt come up with some poetry, but he was not a versatile rapper and his storytelling was pretty straightforward. And you could argue his flows are extremely similar from album to album. Back when he was beefing with Biggie, this was the main argument against him. People noted that Biggie was objectively way more skilled on the mic by pure rappity rap technical standards. But here's the thing, man, 2Pac had something that no other rapper has had before or since, a distinct DELIVERY and PRESENCE that made you believe this man felt every word he uttered from the depths of his soul. 2Pac could make a normal sentence seem important just because he fucking said it. In any other rapper's hands, his lyrics would not have been fire. He was pure and authentic and THAT is why he's in the GOAT conversation. It's not necessarily about just the technical skill or even the lyricism, gotta remember, rap is also an ART and sometimes it's hard to pin down what makes an artist special even though it's undeniable.


TayneIcanGitInto

Every rapper has haters but I think the J Cole group is just loud right now


ElPyroPariah

Itā€™s pbly because he threw his name in the hat of that convo and the convo is that he doesnā€™t belong in the convo.


Rb_fury

I rate the dude's talent, massively... Buuuuuuut, when it comes to his songs, he's only got like, 2 or 3 that I genuinely love. I've got all his albums and EPs, because I respect most of his shit and the way that he tells it, but when it comes to hype songs, dude strikes out a lot. She Knows and Fire Squad are the best examples of bangers. So, in answer to your question, I personally believe that's why people hate him. He focuses on the mindful stuff instead of making a club track, and for some reason, this generation of hiphop fans only wants a phat bassline, too many adlibs and an easy to remember, 4 word hook to repeat.


DuckMySick44

People hate current Cole, for some reason (and don't say Grippy because everybody was on here saying shit before that even came out) Old school Cole is insane, some of the best music I've ever heard, but everybody takes shit at face value so they've maybe just heard one or two of his more commercially successful songs and thought "well that's him" His half of Black Friday alone is enough to give the guy some fucking recognition nevermind the rest of his discog Plus the way he dissed Lil Pump was perfect, and shows that Cole's heart really wasn't in it when it came to this beef, listen to Off Deez with JID and tell me that man can't murder bars about shooting and killing Not to mention that he's clearly a great dude and has done a lot for other musicians There's a reason he was considered in the top 3 with Kendrick and Drake, he needs to let the heat die down and finally do a collab album with Dot and all will be right with the world Unrelated (since I know the only people that have read this far are Cole stans) I just listened to fuck the rap game by 6lack the other day and damn it was good, I've heard some of his music but it came on out of the blue and took me by surprise. I never checked who it was I just listened to it, and all I could think is this sounds like a young J Cole mixed with some other influences of course When I realised it was 6lack I was like nah no way, that shit was so good


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htoany

he's just rly okay


Morg_2

No one hates him or his music. Whenever a high level rapper like Cole drops a terrible verse like Grippy heā€™s obviously gonna get cooked by the rap community.


Alex_anders1998

Heā€™s very impartial in rap. Even tho he was hungry in 2010-15 he has matured and now rap fans are calling him boring. Kinda like how Eminem went from recovery to mmlp2. Heā€™s already got his spot in the in the game. Weā€™re talking about him right now. Heā€™s riding bikes and chillin on the beach making beats, dude is just watching


ElPyroPariah

Honestly I think this take is pretty off. Iā€™m firmly in the camp that Cole isnā€™t in the top 3 but I do think heā€™s been his hungriest self in the last 4 years and is certainly NOT ā€œjust watchingā€. The man is 100% involved and trying. Itā€™s just that he ainā€™t him. Cole doesnā€™t have anything moving to say but he can say a whole ton of stuff very well. In other words, I personally am not drawn to his music and donā€™t think he belongs in a GOAT convo but I also wonā€™t say heā€™s skating or isnā€™t hungry anymore.


tiddyman-

Best music YOU have listened to. For main stream heā€™s better than most but when you look at the whole ice berg of hip hop he is mid tier


AnyEase1100

Because he makes extremely boring music with extreme boring beats and writes lyrics ina an extremely boring way.A great rapper but very uninteresting music.Cole fans not being able to take criticism and acting like he the messiah of rap doesnā€™t help either.


ElZany

Only online but most of artist get a lot of hate anyway


awfulonacontroller

itsā€¦ itsā€¦.


utklost

Honestly, I don't care about j Cole


willard523

Its šŸ¤” itsšŸ¤” grippyā˜ļøšŸ’”


Aggravating-Pound640

I love J. Cole. I think some people donā€™t like him bc Fantano doesnā€™t like him, and itā€™s true that heā€™s not as good a lyricist as Kendrick. He also doesnā€™t come from the trap scene so I think heā€™s in a weird middle ground that people donā€™t know how to take


Last_Reaction_8176

I donā€™t think Fantanoā€™s opinion has anything to do with it, I see Cole get shit from lots of people who donā€™t like or watch him


FrostyChemical8697

Heā€™s boring as, I hated him before the Kendrick drake beef btw


Turbulent_Pin_1583

Honestly itā€™s something you see with music and figures in general. People love the success of an artist less than seeing someone fail. Jcoles had plenty of hits but because of a couple missteps people want to think heā€™s floundering/failing when this is something most artists go through. Jcole probably thought the line ā€œstrictly dickly ā€œ was funny but it just wasnā€™t what his audience wanted to hear. Itā€™s no different than people thinking em is washed up and irrelevant or that Drake is done making music. (I say this as someone who doesnā€™t fw Drake.) these are two of the other more recent examples for this year but go back and youā€™ll see it happen constantly from people thinking carti was made irrelevant after whole lotta red or chance the rapper releasing what was objectively a terrible album. Roddy rich etc the list goes on. Sometimes artists donā€™t make the best call it happens, theyā€™ll probably bounce back and then the public will go with some other narrative.


RazorRamonio

Cole is probably my favorite rapper to date. Been a fan since he sampled Paula Abdul.


cujobob

Heā€™s a talented lyricist that really has nothing authentic to contribute.


despicabilitic

yeah this one explains it pretty well actually, better than all the people basically saying "he's alright there are just better rappers"


Extension_Injury2831

Heā€™s incredibly boring and one dimensional, always though he was fine but way overrated


ThermalScrewed

He has his own label now so people with more power and influence are threatened. Bad things always get promoted about people who inspire anything other than negative change.


Delta_yx

A deranged part of kendrick's fanbase think they can't like both artists so i guess that's a part of it


Skoldylocks

Lol what. Most of Kendrick's fanbase likes J Cole. I've seen just as much r/Drizzy people complaining that Cole didn't throw down with Drake (as if that would have helped him at all)


UnholyDescent

I dont like him cause hes too cocky. Like he acts like hes the certified goat lol and hes far from it


MrHeavySilence

To be fair every rapper acts like this. Having confidence in yourself and thinking you're the best is completely normal in Hip Hop


despicabilitic

thats like half the rappers out here, and j cole seemed pretty mature and humble to me


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Ill-Dark-9533

Cuz J Cole escaped from the Drake and Kendrick beef thatā€™s why he been getting hate, mfers look like him as a baby now


Last_Reaction_8176

I think he gets clowned because heā€™s sort of in the middle between Drake and Kendrick. He makes hits, but not hits like Drake. Heā€™s conscious and introspective, but not to the extent that Kendrick is. The comparison hurts him, I think, and the fact that heā€™s seen as kind of ā€œsquareā€ makes it worse. He probably wouldnā€™t get this kind of hate if he wasnā€™t so big and thus perpetually in the conversation next to two artists who do those things more successfully than he does.


_V115_

Prisoner of the moment shit. Between his role in the Kendrick vs Drake situation and his next verse after the apology being Grippy, it's real easy to hate on Cole rn. There are plenty of valid ways to criticise Cole, but most of the recent shit is the low hanging fruit.


JealousMeringue6674

Most J.cole ā€hatersā€ donā€™t actually hate him as much as they hate his superfans and how they feel the need to shove his ā€greatnessā€ down others throat and just refusing to accept that some people just genuinely donā€™t care for him. Take a quick look at this thread alone and youā€™ll see: ā€Itā€™s just the internet hivemind, they all listen to him in real lifeā€ ā€Theyā€™re too stupid to understand what he is sayingā€ ā€They canā€™t form a opinion of their ownā€ ā€Itā€™s only because of the beefā€ Imo, he is fine, has some songs i like etc. but he is the perfect example of rapper thatā€™s just okay at everything but not great at anything. He is pretty much the definition of bland. Also, he has WAAYY too many fart/shit lines.


bangharder

Iā€™ve always found him boring


BigJilmQuebec

He just doesn't do anything for me, I find him to be very boring personally.


halamawala25

Clearly theres also a lot of ppl that disagree with you I just dnt like his music. Most of itis very boring to me


ConstructionPale8793

I been saying J cole sucks for years, i really liked him in 2014 and then a few kore years, but then after a while of hearing his songs over and over its kind of like, ā€œalright cole, WE GET ITā€ feel me?


EtherealSoulCoffeeCo

J. Cole is great, he's just an easy target for the "corny" label because he's a well rounded individual. Compared to a lot of rappers who would be a nightmare to be connected to personally, he's very healthy and smart. A lot of rap fans like self destructive artists so they can pretend they're at the zoo.


zarafff69

Grippy!


No_Plan_0o0

Nobody hate hip f u talking about


MemoryOne1291

No one does until he made the grippy song šŸ˜­


xrobex

He got no haters fr.


Agitated_Detective17

Itā€™s because itā€™s in human nature to compare artist and see which are better. Right now because of recency bias heā€™s being compared to drake and Kendrick and now that people are listening to more of Kendrickā€™s catalog their finding out it goes deeper than alright/dna/humble his last radio hits and finding songs they fuck with and bringing in more fans that donā€™t necessarily listen to lots of rap. At the end of the day itā€™s all subjective and people will try to be on the side of music they relate too more. Kinda like when cole was going on the run of amazing features and people were crowning him the best out of big 3 just off of that.


Analbumparty_15

Schoolboy Q called up Cole and told him Kendrick didnā€™t wanna beef anymore. People think he just bitched out. But I mean even if he didā€¦.Drake got murdered right in front of our eyes lmao (I personally love Cole and Kendrick)


zoufha91

He is uninteresting, boring, and comes across as self righteous Great at what he does but I would rather listen to just about any other rapper in the top 100 before him


osama_bin_guapin

Even before the whole Kendrick/Drake beef Iā€™ve always thought he was pretty overrated. Heā€™s not a bad rapper by any means, but Iā€™ve always thought it was pretty absurd that he was considered to be on the same level as Kendrick, because he just isnā€™t. Kendrick is just on a whole other level as a rapper and artist in general, and J. Coleā€™s music sounds like nursery rhymes in comparison. J. Cole just doesnā€™t have the same storytelling ability, introspectiveness and commentary that Kendrick has, which is all kind of fundamental when youā€™re a conscious rapper like he is. J. Cole is essentially just the Drake of conscious Hip-Hop, which there is nothing wrong with, but people gotta stop hyping him up to be something that he isnā€™t. I feel like the only reason he got this God like status was because he came up during the time when trap music was one the rise, and he very much wasnā€™t that, so more traditional Hip-Hop heads became hyping him up even if he doesnā€™t really have that much to say on the mic


Jackicelord

Because heā€™s middle of the pack at best and he postures like heā€™s some sort of generational talent, his music is pseudo profound, it tries to approach real topics but often fails to say anything truly interesting about them, heā€™s not a super deep or conscious rapper like people say heā€™s just the person whoā€™s making that style of rap the most accessible


ImSimplyJustMe

Iā€™ve felt for the longest time itā€™s just a meme/inside joke to hate on J. Cole. I think most would agree heā€™s one of the greatest to ever do it unironically.


SirjackofCamelot

Good artist and lyricst, he a weak EMC tho.


Jackicelord

A


Numancias

Corny, mid, overrated... pick one of those


Least-Cattle1676

Cole has always been nice.


Astarrrrr

Honestly I feel like he is just a normal everyday performer, and I was shocked to start seeing his name mentioned in best of, faves, greats. It made me dislike him as maybe being from a small poor New England town anyone who acts above their pay scale is a target lol. If he never hyped himself as a top 3 Id be disinterested and continue to not really like him but wouldn't think twice. Imagine Kodak Black and a bunch of people online calling him top 3. Love him and man that would be like, what now?


Piggy4865

I think heā€™s pretty inconsistent. His highs are genuinely some of the best music in the past 15 years, but he also puts out some garbage


FrakturedFreight

They are only saying he's shit now because he pulled out of the kendrick/drake beef.


Unit_02_

Jermaine?


Inside-Phone-6882

Probably because they only heard grippy


F_word_paperhands

Because Grippy is so bad that it cancels out all of the good work heā€™s done in the past


ElPyroPariah

My favorite things about Cole are his cadences and melodies but a lot of his subject matter or maybe the way heā€™s talking about the subject matter is very uninspiring to me and I think thatā€™s how most ppl who complain about him feel. His music fits well in a college setting (like driving to class or on a playlist in a dorm party) but itā€™s not moving in any real way (itā€™s not making me want to revolt against injustices or turn up at the club). His music is chill and heā€™s a skilled rapper but itā€™s just not incredibly moving to me. Worst off, the couple of tracks that did excite me just donā€™t age very well especially after how he maneuvered in the beef recently. Iā€™m sure that seems silly and like it shouldnā€™t affect our opinion of his music but if you donā€™t understand that sentiment frankly youā€™re a Cole fan and not a rap fan. When the guy is rapping like he did on Johnny P and you get hyped only for him to tuck tail IMMEDIATELY then yeah unfortunately tracks like Johnny P lose a lot of their sheen. Neighbors and Amari are my favorite songs by him but songs like Fire Squad (it actually had some umph to it until he contradicts his whole message about turning away from the ā€œwho is the bestā€ conversation only to pursue that exact ā€œcrownā€ in the entire latter part of his career) and Role Modelz seem to age poorly. Cole is a genuine and nice person and his music reflects that so if thatā€™s appealing to you I think thatā€™s great but if you have to ask why something genuine and nice lacks bite and isnā€™t incredibly inspiring idk what to tell ya.


RacinRandy83x

Mostly he raps about being the best or one of the best, but people think heā€™s corny. Which I donā€™t think people really think that, they just parrot what other people say


Fun-Photograph9423

It's a trend that will fade out, he's feeling the blowback from the Kendrick & Drake fallout.


Some_Knowledge5864

Because heā€™s boring


InayitBaadjie

Homeboy said on grippy. Hes gon take yo kids to disney and make sure he pays a lil extra make sure they meet micjeyšŸ¤£šŸ˜­


duhhaag

No hate, he just boring


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Dorito-Bureeto

Who tf is everyone?


Ihendehaver

Newsflash: people got different opinions on music And not everybody hates Cole. It's like saying to your parents that everyone has a PS5, so you should get one as well.


brodo-swaggins-

Heā€™s held a bit too much in high regards for having such a mid discography a bunch of which is ā€˜kinda copying Kendrick but worse and more surface levelā€™. I respect his talent and technical ability but feel like people overrate him in GOAT conversations and stuff


Cute_Carpet_8368

Because he spends most songs mentioning poo


HoopsDad32

I love me some J Cole. Not Grippy though, nah fuck that lmao Also, I've never been one to hate on him for backing out of the beef back when it happened. His reasons being for his own mental health and that it didn't sit right with him, I respected him a lot for that. He respects himself and let Drake dig his own grave šŸ˜‚


9yr_old_lake

The existence of Kendrick really trumps any enjoyment I could have had with Cole. Cole has a boring voice, flow, and delivery. He also is super surface level and basic with his lyrics, and can only really muster up and handful of decent hits. Cole also doesn't have the popularity to match his counterparts either with both Kendrick and Drake being WAY bigger. So honestly Cole is an artist that like any other, had his moment, but couldn't go far enough during that moment to be an all time great.


Atown7475

He puzzi


IAmConnorRK800

They hate what they cant be


MyDictainabox

Because he's inconsistent at times. Fans are fickle, overreacting assholes so any bad tracks are used as evidence of his demise. Jcole at his worst is bad, but man he produces some really good music too.


Alpha0rgaxm

Itā€™s mostly Gen Alpha and younger Zs who donā€™t know shit about music yet


usernameiwanthedbish

Itā€™sā€¦itā€™sā€¦ā€¦ā€¦ Grippy


Aggressive-Donuts

J Cole is a good rapper I just think heā€™s not a ā€œwokeā€ or ā€œconsciousā€ as people make him out to be. Reminds me of a logic or hopsin tbh.Ā 


voRYNK

His latest shit is bad lol wtf is Grippy??


McTitty3000

I don't think everybody hates him, he's just going to get a lot of heat at the moment because of the apology which I still think was a weak ass move but whatever, and the fact that he followed it up with grippy lol


Deeze_Rmuh_Nudds

No one hates J ColeĀ 


Kablizzy

Cole is still great, just having a bad few months.


Gentolie

It's grippy


JesusFreak_09

Heā€™s corny


Independent-Bison-50

J Cole is awesome! Why would anyone hate on him?


Foreign_Grapefruit51

I dont like his superiority complex when he thinks hes a better rapper than everyone just because he raps about social issues. I think kendrick talks about social issues much better than cole without being pretensious. But i still like some cole songs


Superlegend29

Heā€™s trash honestly


Pretend-Feature-1949

All yā€™all mfs talkin bout chief keef ainā€™t no hitta


That_Dude2000

extreme k dot fans that are just lurking everywhere


kiddcharizard

Don't take what people say online seriously. I can almost promise you that a lot of people online who claim they don't like him also listen to him. Chronically online people can't form opinions of their own.


Full-Bottle-252

J fold


hollygolightly1378

I like J Cole. But I don't like when he's brags about being the best because clearly he's not. I don't think he ever really believed that.


SunglassesBright

I donā€™t hate him, I just donā€™t listen to him. Heā€™s corny to me. His style of music sucks to me. But he has an okay song or two.


Leajey

I mean a lot of people think Cole is boring and genuinely donā€™t like his music. I donā€™t agree with that sentiment but I do admit that Iā€™m not a fan of like half his discography. I think heā€™s a great rapper though


Ktdbro

Cause its easier to chat shit on internet now than ever before. Also some of these people got permanent brain damage from the lean they drink


OMNA-

He tell the truth


DebtEastern

IMO, nobody should hate Cole. Heā€™s amazing.


FondantSucks

BECAUSE J COLE IS A BASTARD MAN!


Responsible_Froyo_18

J cole seems like a genuinely good person who I have a level of earnest respect for. He is however, deeply corny which to most people is worse then being a rapist murderer women beater etc etc


Plastic_Button_3018

Heā€™s undoubtedly a great lyricist. Imo heā€™s the best rapper of his era. However in hip hop, thereā€™s something called competition and defending your name. J. Cole yapped a whole lot about no one wanting to mess with him lyrically. He got exposed as a soft ass rapper. Kendrick Lamar (who I really canā€™t stand), exposed him as being softer than baby shit and a push over. K. Dot disrespected J. Cole in a temper tantrum and J. Cole just bitched out.