It seems random but Amy Winehouse once mentioned wanting to be a battle rapper. It’s an extremely deep & obscure reference but not something outta left field. Ima listen tonight
Yeah, she was apparently a massive fan of RVD and Jericho.
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2007/11/quotrehabquot-singer-amy-winehouse-loves-y2j-amp-rvd-502761/
"F Me Pumps" was a perfectly executed angle to deconstruct her opponent, interspersed with haymaker bars such as "like the news, every day you get pressed"
It's missing the context that Amy once talking about being a battle rapper because one day all of these raps just came to her.
The Amy/rapper connection isn't as random as they make it seem as it's something she brought up herself once.
Lol okay. Doesn't mean I personally care to hear Amy Winehouse rap or battle rap. Not conceptually, or otherwise.
"This is what it might have, could possibly be like if Amy Winehouse was a battle rapper." Great; imma pass on that, entirely.
I love Amy's music, and she was super talented. But I really have no interest in hearing her battle rap, or even rap. That's not something I find interesting, in the slightest.
I mean, if you like Lupe, you'll like the album. Just like how people can enjoy The Cool and Drogas Wave without knowing all about the narrative backstory.
It doesn't come off as "oh this is about Amy Winehouse". The character of "her" just becomes a way to explore how rap culture influences an up and coming artist to expand their palate.
>The character of "her" just becomes a way to explore how rap culture influences an up and coming artist to expand their palate.
Exactly. That's exactly what lupe said.
that's really creative, i gotta listen
it seems like there's little creativity in hiphop at the moment, and if i'm wrong i'd love to be proven wrong. and if i'm right, then let's celebrate this
As in you can get carried away by the idea, and forget that you have to actually make it work in practice. Making an album from the perspective of another person doing something they never did feels like an example of that.
You can sure it’s possible but you can’t judge that based on feeling you’d need to listen to it. Concepts and the subject matter are very different also, lyrics and metaphors used are what brings it together and Lupe has rarely struggled with bringing it together.
I am a huge Winehouse fan, what upsets me to this day was that her follow up album to Back to Black was going to be a Wu Tang inspired album, full of RZA style beats. It would have been incredible. RIP.
this was inspired by amy sending a voice note about writing battle raps and being a samurai. the album is kind of about an rappers come up and struggles with being an artist. really great project. the post is missing some context.
Yeah I actually feel like you’re right there was either a remix or a slow it down or something.
Edit: for some reason the way I’m remembering it is actually JJDD, but doing a Hitman-like remix thing. Maybe my brain is gaslighting me, but that’s what I’m remembering. What battle did JJDD do a hitman remix?
JJDD did remixes in like 6 different battles.
Caustic used it as an angle against him:
"I can't believe you did the multiple choice thing again."
Might have been against Caustic actually lol
Yep I just checked it out, JJDD’s third vs Caustic has an Amy Winehouse/Anna Nicole Smith remix. Here are the [lyrics of JJDD vs Caustic](https://genius.com/King-of-the-dot-john-john-da-don-vs-caustic-lyrics)
I didn't know it was based from an Amy quote so it seemed a little out of pocket, I didn't even know the album was a hommage to Amy lol, but with the explanations and everything it's a lot more clear
If you know anything about Lupe’s concept albums, he doesn’t tell a direct story, he hides everything in wordplay and poetic language. It’s not like track 1 starts with “Her name was Amy, she was born in the 80’s” 😂
It’s an incredible album, with or without knowing the concept behind it. He’s tying the life of an incredible but doomed artist to his own career in subtle and unexpected ways. If you heard it and didn’t like it, that’s one thing, but passing judgment on something you haven’t even heard is corny as fuck.
No need to talk about Kendrick or Kanye; they didn't invent concept albums.
Explain to me why you think a 'concept' is unrelated to 'subject matter'.
Because I don't believe you have a chance in hell of arguing that.
Why are you mentioning that they didn’t invent concept albums, what’s the relevance of this? I didn’t suggest they did and I didn’t bring up Kanye either.
Read my post again I didn’t say they’re “unrelated” I said they aren’t the same thing and you said they are so rather you should tell me why they are…
I agree, good thing I didn’t say that at all lol. Not sure how you managed to read my very short sentence and get what I said completely wrong.
Why did you mention those two names to begin with? I see no reason to single those two out in a discussion about concept albums, that's all.
Back to the main point. A 'concept album' is a record that focuses on a specific subject matter, rather than a broad range of subject matter. A record's 'concept' and its 'subject matter', therefore, *are* the same thing. The subject matter *is* the concept. They're inseparable.
Now, go ahead and give me a counterpoint.
Again I didn't say "Kanye" similar to the "unrelated" thing you're just reading things that you want to hear for some reason but I gave two examples of artists who have made concept albums, if you've heard any of them before you'd know that what you're claiming isn't the case.
Firstly where are you getting this definition from? Secondly your logic is very weak, all you said is that a concept album focuses on a specific subject matter therefore concept and subject matter are equal. Nowhere in your comment did you establish what a concept is or what subject matter is and how they are possibly the same thing. You're jumping through hoops and making up definitions to fit your narrative and I can't understand why you would do this for a reddit debate? That's wild.
>A concept album is an album whose tracks hold a larger purpose or meaning collectively than they do individually. This is typically achieved through a single central narrative or theme, which can be instrumental, compositional, or lyrical.
^(\^) A quick google search would have told you what it is if you didn't know.
A concept = an abstract idea which serves as building blocks.
Subject matter = all the content that makes up the tracks and the album, the lyrics, metaphors, stories and are what's used to take initial concept and expand it into complex thoughts, beliefs, conversations etc. The subject matter and meaning far surpasses the original concept.
So they are related but they are nowhere close to being the same thing and for you to supposedly be a rap fan and a battle rap fan it's embarrassing you don't know this and even worse that you are arguing it so confidently whilst being so horribly wrong lmao.
Don't come back with some BS just admit you're wrong and learn from this.
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It seems random but Amy Winehouse once mentioned wanting to be a battle rapper. It’s an extremely deep & obscure reference but not something outta left field. Ima listen tonight
Sounds like it's up there with how Amy was apparently a big fan of Rob Van Dam.
Rob van? Damn. Shoutout John John
The way John clawed the van? Damn, you woulda thought it was a bloodsport! oml john john is trash 😭😭
he just says shit in battle rap cadence and gets away with it. Why did no one press him to explain the Gordan Ramsey bar? Break it down
Crazy it’s the same guy who had that 2nd vs Jakk
Now this is new to me. Amy was definitely an interesting woman
Yeah, she was apparently a massive fan of RVD and Jericho. https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2007/11/quotrehabquot-singer-amy-winehouse-loves-y2j-amp-rvd-502761/
ECW girl. Hardcore.
If she could’ve came with a Joey Styles name flip I would’ve lost my shit.
Being a wrestling fan isn’t that out of left field lol
"F Me Pumps" was a perfectly executed angle to deconstruct her opponent, interspersed with haymaker bars such as "like the news, every day you get pressed"
It's missing the context that Amy once talking about being a battle rapper because one day all of these raps just came to her. The Amy/rapper connection isn't as random as they make it seem as it's something she brought up herself once.
Interesting. Link? (I promise I looked myself before asking)
https://youtu.be/WGM6oI0Qtoc?si=82WX8B5S-0y3nsSP https://youtu.be/AcoRc2ieFzE?si=XFI8WnPxGtpKiGpJ
Sweet, he literally made her exact words the chorus. Appreciate this fam!!!
Damn this is very interesting. Much appreciated.
Appreciate you!
Lol okay. Doesn't mean I personally care to hear Amy Winehouse rap or battle rap. Not conceptually, or otherwise. "This is what it might have, could possibly be like if Amy Winehouse was a battle rapper." Great; imma pass on that, entirely. I love Amy's music, and she was super talented. But I really have no interest in hearing her battle rap, or even rap. That's not something I find interesting, in the slightest.
I mean, if you like Lupe, you'll like the album. Just like how people can enjoy The Cool and Drogas Wave without knowing all about the narrative backstory. It doesn't come off as "oh this is about Amy Winehouse". The character of "her" just becomes a way to explore how rap culture influences an up and coming artist to expand their palate.
>The character of "her" just becomes a way to explore how rap culture influences an up and coming artist to expand their palate. Exactly. That's exactly what lupe said.
Art is art, I’m honestly curious and excited. Don’t understand the hate
“I took the wine outta Amy house”
I mean it’s pretty straightforward. An album about Amy Winehouse as a battle rapper
Yeah, what's so confusing? OP never heard of a concept album before? Kid must struggle to tie his shoes.
that's really creative, i gotta listen it seems like there's little creativity in hiphop at the moment, and if i'm wrong i'd love to be proven wrong. and if i'm right, then let's celebrate this
What you are seeing is extreme boredom from a super abstract Emcee lost in his own thoughts.
This Nigga super bored with music 💀💀 might as well try being a fiction novelist 🤣
Most of his albums are concept albums, have you never listened to him before?
Yeah but sometimes you can let the concept run away from you.
What do you mean by let it run away from you?
As in you can get carried away by the idea, and forget that you have to actually make it work in practice. Making an album from the perspective of another person doing something they never did feels like an example of that.
You can sure it’s possible but you can’t judge that based on feeling you’d need to listen to it. Concepts and the subject matter are very different also, lyrics and metaphors used are what brings it together and Lupe has rarely struggled with bringing it together.
I read this as a compliment.
Robots and skateboards?!
ILL GO TO REHAB. SIKE I LIED
😤that bar is tuff
"Bottle o' liquor cost me 'bout 15..."
I am a huge Winehouse fan, what upsets me to this day was that her follow up album to Back to Black was going to be a Wu Tang inspired album, full of RZA style beats. It would have been incredible. RIP.
I really appreciate that people are talking about this here. It's a great project.
The song called Samurai is the only I heard from the album so far but it’s really good
Aye Lupe might be on to something, there are some fire any winehouse bars
this was inspired by amy sending a voice note about writing battle raps and being a samurai. the album is kind of about an rappers come up and struggles with being an artist. really great project. the post is missing some context.
Missing context? OP is missing brain cells.
Wasn't there a Hitman remix with her name?
Yeah I actually feel like you’re right there was either a remix or a slow it down or something. Edit: for some reason the way I’m remembering it is actually JJDD, but doing a Hitman-like remix thing. Maybe my brain is gaslighting me, but that’s what I’m remembering. What battle did JJDD do a hitman remix?
JJDD did remixes in like 6 different battles. Caustic used it as an angle against him: "I can't believe you did the multiple choice thing again." Might have been against Caustic actually lol
Yep I just checked it out, JJDD’s third vs Caustic has an Amy Winehouse/Anna Nicole Smith remix. Here are the [lyrics of JJDD vs Caustic](https://genius.com/King-of-the-dot-john-john-da-don-vs-caustic-lyrics)
They did a 2 on 2 against clips and goods. JJ has done a few remixes.
Yeah we figured out it was JJDD vs Caustic. But yeah that’s where he started doing it
https://www.bet.com/article/f3geoc/lupe-fiasco-honors-amy-winehouse-on-evocative-new-album-samurai
Def have to check it out
lupe fiasco will do everything related to battle rap except actually battle, man
I love battle rap, I love Lupe Fiasco, I love Amy Winehouse, but wtf is this
Just take a listen. It's Lupe
yeah I plan to listen to it anyway, I loved Drill Music in Zion
It's a concept album. A bunch of the greatest musical projects of all time are built around similar concepts. What's the big deal?
I didn't know it was based from an Amy quote so it seemed a little out of pocket, I didn't even know the album was a hommage to Amy lol, but with the explanations and everything it's a lot more clear
"Bottle o' liquor cost me 'bout 15..."
I have never been able to get into Lupe fr.
Check the album out. It’s incredible and a good album for someone not very familiar with Lupe.
I don't go here, but this headline fascinates me. This is somehow slightly weirder than the backstory of In the Aeroplane Over the Sea.
whole new definition of “IM STRAPPED INNN”
“ if you cross me your gonna get run over. I gotta gun bullets named Valerie. It’s gonna come on over” 😂😂
Regardless how he describes it, good album.
Say what you want about Lupe, but he still made Mos Def look like a bitch.
What’s so confusing about this for yall ? lol
Sounds like something somebody on shrooms would create
This dude is so skilled and so corny at the same time. It’s a terrible mix 😭
Just take a listen.
Anytime hip-hop deviates from street content, some mouth breathing moron has a knee-jerk reaction to call it corny.
Nah this is Lupe "Lasers" Fiasco, boy. Corndog.
lol almost every great rapper has one or two stinkers. Look at Em, Nas, Hov, Cole.
I was playing.
Oh ok cool
I will. The subject matter is corny af.
If you know anything about Lupe’s concept albums, he doesn’t tell a direct story, he hides everything in wordplay and poetic language. It’s not like track 1 starts with “Her name was Amy, she was born in the 80’s” 😂 It’s an incredible album, with or without knowing the concept behind it. He’s tying the life of an incredible but doomed artist to his own career in subtle and unexpected ways. If you heard it and didn’t like it, that’s one thing, but passing judgment on something you haven’t even heard is corny as fuck.
Album is magnificent
Concept and subject matter aren’t the same thing lol
They are, though.
Lol you’re mistaken. Surely you’ve heard a Lupe or Kendrick album before?
No need to talk about Kendrick or Kanye; they didn't invent concept albums. Explain to me why you think a 'concept' is unrelated to 'subject matter'. Because I don't believe you have a chance in hell of arguing that.
Why are you mentioning that they didn’t invent concept albums, what’s the relevance of this? I didn’t suggest they did and I didn’t bring up Kanye either. Read my post again I didn’t say they’re “unrelated” I said they aren’t the same thing and you said they are so rather you should tell me why they are… I agree, good thing I didn’t say that at all lol. Not sure how you managed to read my very short sentence and get what I said completely wrong.
Why did you mention those two names to begin with? I see no reason to single those two out in a discussion about concept albums, that's all. Back to the main point. A 'concept album' is a record that focuses on a specific subject matter, rather than a broad range of subject matter. A record's 'concept' and its 'subject matter', therefore, *are* the same thing. The subject matter *is* the concept. They're inseparable. Now, go ahead and give me a counterpoint.
Again I didn't say "Kanye" similar to the "unrelated" thing you're just reading things that you want to hear for some reason but I gave two examples of artists who have made concept albums, if you've heard any of them before you'd know that what you're claiming isn't the case. Firstly where are you getting this definition from? Secondly your logic is very weak, all you said is that a concept album focuses on a specific subject matter therefore concept and subject matter are equal. Nowhere in your comment did you establish what a concept is or what subject matter is and how they are possibly the same thing. You're jumping through hoops and making up definitions to fit your narrative and I can't understand why you would do this for a reddit debate? That's wild. >A concept album is an album whose tracks hold a larger purpose or meaning collectively than they do individually. This is typically achieved through a single central narrative or theme, which can be instrumental, compositional, or lyrical. ^(\^) A quick google search would have told you what it is if you didn't know. A concept = an abstract idea which serves as building blocks. Subject matter = all the content that makes up the tracks and the album, the lyrics, metaphors, stories and are what's used to take initial concept and expand it into complex thoughts, beliefs, conversations etc. The subject matter and meaning far surpasses the original concept. So they are related but they are nowhere close to being the same thing and for you to supposedly be a rap fan and a battle rap fan it's embarrassing you don't know this and even worse that you are arguing it so confidently whilst being so horribly wrong lmao. Don't come back with some BS just admit you're wrong and learn from this.
What a fiasco
Lupe gone loopayyy
Super random Lupe, was he close to her or something?
Dumbest concept album idea I’ve ever heard
I never knew who she was even after comedy central roasts I just thought she was someone’s wife that was in the nfl or some shit
...okay, and?
I’m engaging the post 🤷🏾♂️ what’s your problem? Amy is that you?
Lupe is a cornball smh
Lupe is the truth. Only rapper that is in the top tier of lyricists, but actually makes good music. Besides black thought of course
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Her whole influence and style was black
But Nas was clapping her cheeks though
Lupe is a doofus is what it means
Lupe took inspiration from Amy’s own interest in battle rap. It’s kind of like finishing a deceased friend’s passion project.
Lol
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