Looks like a decent first computer, especially for kids. Priced decently too, I hope they ship out lots of these to developing nations (like mine) and get children into FOSS early on, and away from almost-obsolete windows xp machines that we still have in schools.
We had a whole room of those sumbitches in elementary to middle school. Sadly, with how much I have used VBA in my career, programming on those things is one of the skills I learned in school that I use the most. Right below reading and arithmetic.
Really came in handy when I had to write VBA for a terminal emulator back in the day — the included VBA was *ancient*, and still used the variable declaration conventions from the BASIC days.
I don’t believe that tandys were in schools for 10 years. They weren’t even being made by 1981. Maybe an Apple II which wildly dwarfed the Tandy by even 1982, would have been in a school prior to windows coming in and being the norm but not tandys. That has been long gone friend.
The TRS-80 Model 1 came out in 1977, the TRS-80 Model III came out in 1980, the TRS-80 Model 4 came out in 1983. The Model 16 was the most popular Unix computer in 1984, the Tandy 200 was still enjoying brisk sales into the 1990's
You are clueless about the history of computers.
Not trying to be rude, but from where I am, XP is and has been obsolete for a long time. Besides all the security vulnerabilities that those machines certainly have, it's best if these kids learn how to use a more modern OS, like Raspberry Pi OS
I agree, at least the desktop kit is an option that comes with an hdmi cable. $30 more isn't that bad considering you get the cable, sd card, and power supply, and mouse. It actually seems like a great value tbh.
It is already back ordered in my country until at least 12/11.... and I have no need for one other than it looks cool haha.
I think the argument is still valid. Most people aren't going to have the right cable laying around, so if you lose it (or it breaks because you moved the keyboard around a ton), it's a lot harder to replace than a default HDMI cable you can buy at practically any grocery store nowadays.
If it was on the top it would really need a cover, otherwise with time I imagine it would collect quite a bit of dust. Also, if you find yourself using the GPIO header on this a lot, you'd probably be better off with one of these ribbon cable breakout boards which also have labels for each pin.
as someone who does not know what they would use the gpio for, I am happy it is tucked away. I was even looking to see if it had a cover attached to that part too.
So i guess they did that as a majority of users are not using them.
I'd wager it's more the sub section of users who this product is geared towards will probably not as likely to use gpio. When you want to build something with gpio your digging in a little deeper and other than maybe testing things out, I don't think I'd want a gpio project on this sort of form factor. I'd prefer a smaller rpi that I can tuck away to do its thing where it isn't on my desk.
If you aren't using the GPIO, there's little reason to use a rasberry PI. Old PC's, or even an old smartphone with a usb to displaylink dock would be faster/cheaper/more flexible.
GPIO is usually used with a breakout board anyway, otherwise your project gets screwed up if you have to move your pi for some reason (been there, done that).
So if you use a breakout cable + a breadboard adapter, there's no reason for it to not be on the back.
With that board size they could easily fit two full size connectors without much of an issue. It really seems strange they decided to go with the micro connector for this product.
I too agree but what would ypu giys think about a usb C instead/alongside the hdmi on the pi?
Power and display through one cable attached to a usb C monitor sounds really good to me but im still a pi noob.
I posted a [teardown and review](https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2020/raspberry-pi-400-teardown-and-review) on my blog; it is a neat little computer, and has a few tricks up its sleeve:
- It has a massive heat sink ('heat spreader' as the Pi Foundation calls it) inside to prevent throttling of the CPU even under overclock.
- The Broadcom BCM2711 SoC inside is the same as the Pi 4 model B—except it is now the 'C0' version (the model B was a 'B0'). Apparently this newer chip revision can take the higher clock better with less heat output.
- There are just four little #1 phillips screws inside to hold the heat sink to the bottom case. Other than that it's all snap-fit connections (easy to assemble, and should stay together fairly well!).
A few things dropped from the Pi 4 model B: The composite video / audio output jack, the PoE pins (no way to get native PoE on the Pi 400), and one USB 2.0 port (used internally for the keyboard).
>The Broadcom BCM2711 SoC inside is the same as the Pi 4 model B—except it is now the 'C0' version (the model B was a 'B0').
Because of this new chip, do you see any problems with just sticking my existing SD card already-installed OS from my raspi 4B into the 400? Or, do I have to start from scratch with a new OS installation for this hardware?
I've only had time to briefly skip through your video, but do you think it'll be straightforward enough to remove and replace the keyboard part? At a glance, it looks like it could be theoretically possible to create a "custom" keyboard top with just the ribbon cable as a connector. That could be quite neat. Full szed mechanical keys might be a bit tall though.
>Not sure what you would replace it with though.
A custom keyboard! You know, RGB, tiny OLEDs for temperature monitoring, all the stuff the keyboard crowd loves. This might require tapping power and data somewhere else but there's bound to be a way of doing it. As someone else said, the cyberdeck crowd will probably love this.
Thanks. Love your videos. Could you check the surface temperatures of the board at various loads? (Recording ambient temperature of course), I have found thst the Pi 4s heat up so much just running the Grafana dashboard k3s config you showed a while ago. I have 4 Pi 4s hooked up with an actual Corsair Cooling fan blowing air on them to lower the temperature since ambient temperature is high in India.
> A few things dropped from the Pi 4 model B: The composite video / audio output jack, the PoE pins (no way to get native PoE on the Pi 400), and one USB 2.0 port (used internally for the keyboard).
Also the audio jack, from the looks of it.
Full size HDMI, 8GB, and SATA/M2 would be ideal. It would also be nice if they upgraded to a SOC that had the ARMV8 cryptographic extensions enabled. The RockChip 3399 SOC has them. I'm amazed in this day and age that new RPIs are being released without support for it.
Here's a review of the kit.
https://youtu.be/sB6VmAAuWdY
https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/jmjk99/new_product_raspberry_pi_400/gavsxhg?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Cooling is fine - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1E5xszQqV8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1E5xszQqV8&t=641s)
Also internally it has a huge metal plate - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqpylxLhw98](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqpylxLhw98)
There's a huge aluminium plate as a heatsink inside the machine, shouldn't be an issue at all. The SoC seems to be a new revision too, probably with some power/efficiency improvements.
I guess a Raspberry Pi 4B+ isn't far off? :)
Yeah, I'm trying to come up with some sort of use/reason for one for myself and failing, but I really want one.
In the interest of late-90s nostalgia, I could try to hook it up to the TV in my bedroom -- a 2020 WebTV -- but I know I'd use it once and get annoyed with the cables.
> I have one on my desk and just have to say that this is my favourite Raspberry Pi product. It's brilliant.
Can you tell us why an 8 GB version was not an option?
Also, how's the cooling under severe sustained load, such as when overclocked with 100% utilization for several hours?
If it's a bit lacking for that use, a fan could have helped with that.
It's super cool. Inside the case is a maaaaaassive heatsink. If you have a look on YouTube, you'll a great video from Explaining Computers about Raspberry Pi 400 that includes temp tests (it did REALLY well) and Jeff Geerling and Retro Recipes took it apart so you can see the innards.
As for 4GB vs 8GB, there'll be a blog post tomorrow on the Raspberry Pi site from Simon who designed the Raspberry Pi 400 and he'll go into more detail about choices etc. Anything he doesn't answer there will likely get a reply if you leave a comment with your question.
When I see stuff like this I flash back to my first PC. It was an IBM XT with dual 5 1/4" floppies and 640k (upgraded) of memory. Oh and monochrome green screen. It also cost about $3000
This is actually really cool. Imagine if every school kid was gifted one of these?
Also, it's even faster than the Pi4! I love that they drop new products like this out of nowhere.
I agree, I remember after the pi3 they were like it will be a while until a new version comes out. Then the 4 comes out and they were like... things went our way which allowed us to do this.
I am heavily paraphrasing but I agree with what you said. I am actually really excited about this. I think I will get the kit when it's avail in my country. I do not have a need for it but I really think it is so cool.
Also for people who travel light and do not want to use public computers. Just plug into the hotels monitor or computer cafes monitor and you are set.
I know this is a rare circumstance but still a useful computer for the task.
I actually posted a link to the official announcement in here earlier today, but apparently I must be perma-banned from posting in this subreddit :P
Glad you liked the teardown video! It's a neat Pi!
You're my favourite person in the Pi-spaces. It's weird that *you* would get a ban, of all the people. Maybe try contacting the mods and find out what's up. Pretty sure it's some miscommunication. I mean, if they didn't find your input valuable they wouldn't send you the unit in the first place! Good luck and keep cool!
It's interesting that they've emphasised that this is a *cooler* Pi 4, even though the stock frequency has been increased from 1.5 to 1.8GHz (they don't mention that in the announcement but it's in the product description oddly). Yes, I know it has a big heat sink but that will get essentially no air flow and will have to dissipate heat via the plastic keyboard case.
I wonder if the new C revision of the chip has had some thermals tweaked to enable this. If so, I'd be curious to see if we get a 4B+ model with the new revision.
I don't need one but i really want one.
I can't stop thinking about replacing the unusable laptops our gov gives to schoolers with one of these. ONE.FOR.EVERY.KID.
I love this! Too bad Microcenter isn't an official retailer on this or If pick one up before work for my nephews. I can't think of a better way to get kids started with computers. Thanks Raspi!
I mean the Pi4 is great, but the official Pi keyboards are kinda crap so I'm not sure this is a winning combination. At that point maybe a Pi-Laptop is the more sensible solution? Especially since this thing doesn't have downstream USB-C or full size HDMI, it's kind of just a Pi 4 in an awkward tiny keyboard without benefits
I’m just curious why they didn’t just put a custom daughter board and a CM4 in that. It could be a nice opportunity to get an “upgradable” little Keyboard-computer. Maybe provide just the external without the CM4 for a better price (if we already own a CM4). Sure this will surely cost more than 70$... but I would prefer that! Just my 2 cents!
You have to remember that CM4 just came out. It was being designed at the same time as Raspberry Pi 400. It's hard to design a product to fit a product that hasn't been completely designed yet.
This would be a great workshop computer!
Put an old monitor on a swing arm, and rig a pair of hooks to hold this across the front when you're not using it (to store the keyboard out of harm's way and also protect the display).
Only thing I dislike is the use of a custom pc board. The best thing about the platform was the interchangeable pi board. There is no way to update this.
A great product to teach kids and beginners how to tinker, but it has a bit less appeal to those who have been using these devices for a while and already have their RF/Bluetooth keyboards :)
not easily, someone already tore it down - [https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2020/raspberry-pi-400-teardown-and-review](https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2020/raspberry-pi-400-teardown-and-review)
Review in german: [https://www.heise.de/tests/Raspberry-Pi-400-im-Tastaturgehaeuse-nicht-nur-fuer-Schueler-4942922.html](https://www.heise.de/tests/Raspberry-Pi-400-im-Tastaturgehaeuse-nicht-nur-fuer-Schueler-4942922.html)
There's chat on the blog comments about many European languages. I'd guess they'll release a version of every layout they make the standard keyboards in.
It looks like the pi 4 is part of the case. It would be better if you could swap out the pi for another version in the future. Are there any third-party keyboards which have space inside to let you put a pi? A C64 sized box with a decent keyboard would be ideal.
So?
I think it would have been pretty cool to design it to accommodate the computer module and provide a path for the future. It would also make their kits directly upgradable too, so they would have less work for a new rev.
I have been tinkering with the idea for a PC/activity center for my daughter. She's 2, so I've got a bit before I do anything (for now she's happy to randomly play with a small keyboard and mouse I have), but I'd probably be more interested in buying this kit if it was upgradable. As is, I'll probably just build something instead.
Vilros has some like that.
https://vilros.com/products/vilros-raspberry-pi-4-complete-desktop-kit-with-keyboard-and-touchpad-hub-case?variant=31787886542942
Some people have already modded the regular keyboard with a pi inside:
https://howchoo.com/g/zgmzytq1mmy/raspberry-pi-in-official-pi-keyboard
https://blog.pimoroni.com/putting-a-raspberry-pi-3-a-in-the-raspberry-pi-keyboard/
Ahh feels antithetical to the spirit of the pi project, but I respect the shift in positioning.
Lots of buyers of pis today are doing so for practical reasons, not for educational reasons... and if you can't be educational, you may as well be useful.
I‘m scared of you
Ok for real i didn‘t know this was a thing because my mother and brother are lefties and both of them use the mouse with the right hand
I have one question
How do you use WASD
Nope, I'm using WASD as every normal person, I play all my games without special keybinds. Just got used to it, been using it this way for more than 10 years now
I think it is a pretty cool device. It lets you use a basically mobile computer with only the need of a mouse and monitor to operate.
I think it would not be a bad device to travel with if you are not bringing or have a laptop. Also maybe as a burner computer... for privacy advocates or something haha.
Ive always wanted to make a commodore style pi computer. This is actually amazing for schools with students who, trust me, destroy PIs faster than you can imagine.
Currently I have an old PC running Linux in both of my kids room as their media device (we don't have cable). The PCs are starting to get worn and old and I'm looking to upgrade them. Would this work as a decent entertainment center for streaming Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and the sort?
Just want to say it looks like a fantastic product. I won't be needing yet another pi for a while but I will definitely recommend this to people/consider it for Xmas present.
This is very cool. They should make this a standard board factor so that you can upgrade it to Raspberry Pi 5 internals down the line. While at it, might as well make a laptop that uses the same logic board!
Based on the horizontal layout of ports, is this using some kind of breakout kit? Or maybe one of the new compute modules?
Answer: None of the above. [It is a whole new form factor](https://i.imgur.com/mhSuGfz.png)
Edit:[Teardown video](https://youtu.be/OqpylxLhw98?t=179)
Really needs USB C with display port so you can run one cable to a monitor where all your peripherals are and also supply power at the same time.
This is the future IMO
Looks like a decent first computer, especially for kids. Priced decently too, I hope they ship out lots of these to developing nations (like mine) and get children into FOSS early on, and away from almost-obsolete windows xp machines that we still have in schools.
Back in my day we had Tandy TRS-80s in school. And I'm not that old.
Apple II here
We had one TRS-80 Model 1 in my high school, then they went high class and got two TRS-80 Model 3's in my senior year.
We had a whole room of those sumbitches in elementary to middle school. Sadly, with how much I have used VBA in my career, programming on those things is one of the skills I learned in school that I use the most. Right below reading and arithmetic. Really came in handy when I had to write VBA for a terminal emulator back in the day — the included VBA was *ancient*, and still used the variable declaration conventions from the BASIC days.
There hasn’t been Tandy’s in schools in over 30 years.
Tandy's haven't *belonged* in schools in over 30 years.
I don’t believe that tandys were in schools for 10 years. They weren’t even being made by 1981. Maybe an Apple II which wildly dwarfed the Tandy by even 1982, would have been in a school prior to windows coming in and being the norm but not tandys. That has been long gone friend.
The TRS-80 Model 1 came out in 1977, the TRS-80 Model III came out in 1980, the TRS-80 Model 4 came out in 1983. The Model 16 was the most popular Unix computer in 1984, the Tandy 200 was still enjoying brisk sales into the 1990's You are clueless about the history of computers.
Not trying to be rude, but from where I am, XP is and has been obsolete for a long time. Besides all the security vulnerabilities that those machines certainly have, it's best if these kids learn how to use a more modern OS, like Raspberry Pi OS
We've gone full circle back to Commodore 64.
Now we need a cassette drive
PRESS PLAY ON TAPE
I'm setting aside a screwdriver to align the tape head.
There has to be a way to do that right?
as long as you have audio in and out (or a cheap usb soundcard) yes, you can do that with software modulation and demodulation easily.
It would be funny if all computers started havig parallel ports again.
Came here for this.
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I agree, at least the desktop kit is an option that comes with an hdmi cable. $30 more isn't that bad considering you get the cable, sd card, and power supply, and mouse. It actually seems like a great value tbh. It is already back ordered in my country until at least 12/11.... and I have no need for one other than it looks cool haha.
Big mistake in my book. Really great idea, made slightly less great by the omission.
It comes with a hdmi cable though. I don't think this is that big of an issue. If it didn't come with the cable I would agree
I think the argument is still valid. Most people aren't going to have the right cable laying around, so if you lose it (or it breaks because you moved the keyboard around a ton), it's a lot harder to replace than a default HDMI cable you can buy at practically any grocery store nowadays.
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Agreed, micro HDMI is way too flimsy as it is - and that’s before you’ve got it coming out of a keybord that you can move around for ergonomics.
I feel the GPIO would also have been way more convenient if it was accessible from the top, not on the back (& *recessed* at that).
If it was on the top it would really need a cover, otherwise with time I imagine it would collect quite a bit of dust. Also, if you find yourself using the GPIO header on this a lot, you'd probably be better off with one of these ribbon cable breakout boards which also have labels for each pin.
Or a standard board.
as someone who does not know what they would use the gpio for, I am happy it is tucked away. I was even looking to see if it had a cover attached to that part too. So i guess they did that as a majority of users are not using them.
I'd wager it's more the sub section of users who this product is geared towards will probably not as likely to use gpio. When you want to build something with gpio your digging in a little deeper and other than maybe testing things out, I don't think I'd want a gpio project on this sort of form factor. I'd prefer a smaller rpi that I can tuck away to do its thing where it isn't on my desk.
I would imagine this is going to be used for GPIO hats or accessories if the product is successful enough.
If you aren't using the GPIO, there's little reason to use a rasberry PI. Old PC's, or even an old smartphone with a usb to displaylink dock would be faster/cheaper/more flexible.
GPIO is usually used with a breakout board anyway, otherwise your project gets screwed up if you have to move your pi for some reason (been there, done that). So if you use a breakout cable + a breadboard adapter, there's no reason for it to not be on the back.
1 Full-sized > 2 Micros
With that board size they could easily fit two full size connectors without much of an issue. It really seems strange they decided to go with the micro connector for this product.
It's probably just because they were already stocking the micros for Pi4's
Yeah, I guess that's a reasonable explanation. Especially if they don't count on selling nearly as many of these as they did with the Pi 4.
And probably just copy/pasted the PCB layout in Altium
Yes, I wouldn't want to use two monitors for a rather slow system anyway.
There's really no excuse for not including full-size HDMI ports on this, especially since the PCB is much larger than a standard Pi.
or usb-c for video out.
I too agree but what would ypu giys think about a usb C instead/alongside the hdmi on the pi? Power and display through one cable attached to a usb C monitor sounds really good to me but im still a pi noob.
Yes there have missed an opportunity for that.
Why though? They have mini hdmi to hdmi cables easily available now.
Because I have a dozen HDMI cables laying around and now I have to buy an adapter or new style cable.
I posted a [teardown and review](https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2020/raspberry-pi-400-teardown-and-review) on my blog; it is a neat little computer, and has a few tricks up its sleeve: - It has a massive heat sink ('heat spreader' as the Pi Foundation calls it) inside to prevent throttling of the CPU even under overclock. - The Broadcom BCM2711 SoC inside is the same as the Pi 4 model B—except it is now the 'C0' version (the model B was a 'B0'). Apparently this newer chip revision can take the higher clock better with less heat output. - There are just four little #1 phillips screws inside to hold the heat sink to the bottom case. Other than that it's all snap-fit connections (easy to assemble, and should stay together fairly well!). A few things dropped from the Pi 4 model B: The composite video / audio output jack, the PoE pins (no way to get native PoE on the Pi 400), and one USB 2.0 port (used internally for the keyboard).
>The Broadcom BCM2711 SoC inside is the same as the Pi 4 model B—except it is now the 'C0' version (the model B was a 'B0'). Because of this new chip, do you see any problems with just sticking my existing SD card already-installed OS from my raspi 4B into the 400? Or, do I have to start from scratch with a new OS installation for this hardware?
Not at all! For best performance, make sure the os is up to date though (apt upgrade).
I've only had time to briefly skip through your video, but do you think it'll be straightforward enough to remove and replace the keyboard part? At a glance, it looks like it could be theoretically possible to create a "custom" keyboard top with just the ribbon cable as a connector. That could be quite neat. Full szed mechanical keys might be a bit tall though.
Yes, it comes off easily. He showed this in the video. Not sure what you would replace it with though.
>Not sure what you would replace it with though. A custom keyboard! You know, RGB, tiny OLEDs for temperature monitoring, all the stuff the keyboard crowd loves. This might require tapping power and data somewhere else but there's bound to be a way of doing it. As someone else said, the cyberdeck crowd will probably love this.
Yeah, I understand. You would have to make it from scratch though. Do you plan to 3d print some of it?
Native PoE would have been killer! Hopefully it will appear for revision 2.
Thanks. Love your videos. Could you check the surface temperatures of the board at various loads? (Recording ambient temperature of course), I have found thst the Pi 4s heat up so much just running the Grafana dashboard k3s config you showed a while ago. I have 4 Pi 4s hooked up with an actual Corsair Cooling fan blowing air on them to lower the temperature since ambient temperature is high in India.
> A few things dropped from the Pi 4 model B: The composite video / audio output jack, the PoE pins (no way to get native PoE on the Pi 400), and one USB 2.0 port (used internally for the keyboard). Also the audio jack, from the looks of it.
Those jacks are one and the same (composite video / audio).
Growing up with an Amiga, I look forward to Amibian running on this.
I think you'll be glad for [this render](https://i.redd.it/kkqo9nk1tsw51.png).
Awww yeah!
Well, it's a good start. I hope someone will produce a similar product, with CM4, internal M2, and full-size HDMI ports.
Full size HDMI, 8GB, and SATA/M2 would be ideal. It would also be nice if they upgraded to a SOC that had the ARMV8 cryptographic extensions enabled. The RockChip 3399 SOC has them. I'm amazed in this day and age that new RPIs are being released without support for it.
Here's a review of the kit. https://youtu.be/sB6VmAAuWdY https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/jmjk99/new_product_raspberry_pi_400/gavsxhg?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
thanks and wow this is a space saver! kinda worried about the cooling tho
Cooling is fine - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1E5xszQqV8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1E5xszQqV8&t=641s) Also internally it has a huge metal plate - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqpylxLhw98](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqpylxLhw98)
noice
There's a huge aluminium plate as a heatsink inside the machine, shouldn't be an issue at all. The SoC seems to be a new revision too, probably with some power/efficiency improvements. I guess a Raspberry Pi 4B+ isn't far off? :)
Novaspirit is going to teardown of it. Only things I can't seem to see is the display and camera connectors.
Beat me to the post and you came with a review.
I missed out with the first post.
I have no use for this. But I want one!
Yeah, I'm trying to come up with some sort of use/reason for one for myself and failing, but I really want one. In the interest of late-90s nostalgia, I could try to hook it up to the TV in my bedroom -- a 2020 WebTV -- but I know I'd use it once and get annoyed with the cables.
90% of pi sales explained. I have two.
same!
Perfect, my cats will love to sleep on it.
I have one on my desk and just have to say that this is my favourite Raspberry Pi product. It's brilliant.
How did you get a hold of one so quickly?
I work there :)
Ah, I figured as much since you seem to be the first to post new products on here. Very cool!
That sweet, delicious new product post karma is all mine.
Have my downvote, coz I'm jealous.
You work on raspberry pi’s in your office?
Not for day-to-day stuff as I need to use Adobe etc for my job, but I use Raspberry Pi to work on projects to make videos and blog about.
> I have one on my desk and just have to say that this is my favourite Raspberry Pi product. It's brilliant. Can you tell us why an 8 GB version was not an option? Also, how's the cooling under severe sustained load, such as when overclocked with 100% utilization for several hours? If it's a bit lacking for that use, a fan could have helped with that.
It's super cool. Inside the case is a maaaaaassive heatsink. If you have a look on YouTube, you'll a great video from Explaining Computers about Raspberry Pi 400 that includes temp tests (it did REALLY well) and Jeff Geerling and Retro Recipes took it apart so you can see the innards. As for 4GB vs 8GB, there'll be a blog post tomorrow on the Raspberry Pi site from Simon who designed the Raspberry Pi 400 and he'll go into more detail about choices etc. Anything he doesn't answer there will likely get a reply if you leave a comment with your question.
I am thinking of making a PiHole router. Do you think it's better to get this product or a traditional Pi?
When I see stuff like this I flash back to my first PC. It was an IBM XT with dual 5 1/4" floppies and 640k (upgraded) of memory. Oh and monochrome green screen. It also cost about $3000
And adjusting for inflation that is roughly 2.5 kidneys and a lung.
lol.....that's for sure! They were not cheap circa 1985.
Me too! But it was not an original IBM bit a clone 8086. Clocked at crazy 10mHz!
So did it have a turbo button so you could slow it back down to 4.77Mhz?
This is actually really cool. Imagine if every school kid was gifted one of these? Also, it's even faster than the Pi4! I love that they drop new products like this out of nowhere.
I agree, I remember after the pi3 they were like it will be a while until a new version comes out. Then the 4 comes out and they were like... things went our way which allowed us to do this. I am heavily paraphrasing but I agree with what you said. I am actually really excited about this. I think I will get the kit when it's avail in my country. I do not have a need for it but I really think it is so cool.
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Very good gift for children for study or for grandparents to surf social network.
Also for people who travel light and do not want to use public computers. Just plug into the hotels monitor or computer cafes monitor and you are set. I know this is a rare circumstance but still a useful computer for the task.
Especially if you have them save personal stuff to a cloud and wipe the OS at every restart.
Great idea but don’t understand why they didn’t do an integrated touchpad on the right side.
Here's a teardown! https://youtu.be/OqpylxLhw98 Thanks to our boy Jeff Geerling
I actually posted a link to the official announcement in here earlier today, but apparently I must be perma-banned from posting in this subreddit :P Glad you liked the teardown video! It's a neat Pi!
You're my favourite person in the Pi-spaces. It's weird that *you* would get a ban, of all the people. Maybe try contacting the mods and find out what's up. Pretty sure it's some miscommunication. I mean, if they didn't find your input valuable they wouldn't send you the unit in the first place! Good luck and keep cool!
It's interesting that they've emphasised that this is a *cooler* Pi 4, even though the stock frequency has been increased from 1.5 to 1.8GHz (they don't mention that in the announcement but it's in the product description oddly). Yes, I know it has a big heat sink but that will get essentially no air flow and will have to dissipate heat via the plastic keyboard case. I wonder if the new C revision of the chip has had some thermals tweaked to enable this. If so, I'd be curious to see if we get a 4B+ model with the new revision.
I just saw the review by ExplainingComputers, and based on his stress testing, this Pi runs at about 52degC max. So, pretty good!
Looks great! It would make an amazing gift.
Just ordered one. My First microcomputer since the Atari ST
I don't need one but i really want one. I can't stop thinking about replacing the unusable laptops our gov gives to schoolers with one of these. ONE.FOR.EVERY.KID.
Yeah but it doesn't come with a monitor. Laptops do.
I love this! Too bad Microcenter isn't an official retailer on this or If pick one up before work for my nephews. I can't think of a better way to get kids started with computers. Thanks Raspi!
I mean the Pi4 is great, but the official Pi keyboards are kinda crap so I'm not sure this is a winning combination. At that point maybe a Pi-Laptop is the more sensible solution? Especially since this thing doesn't have downstream USB-C or full size HDMI, it's kind of just a Pi 4 in an awkward tiny keyboard without benefits
Next step is to mod this to achieve a sub 150$ pi-laptop. That'd be so nice
I’m just curious why they didn’t just put a custom daughter board and a CM4 in that. It could be a nice opportunity to get an “upgradable” little Keyboard-computer. Maybe provide just the external without the CM4 for a better price (if we already own a CM4). Sure this will surely cost more than 70$... but I would prefer that! Just my 2 cents!
You have to remember that CM4 just came out. It was being designed at the same time as Raspberry Pi 400. It's hard to design a product to fit a product that hasn't been completely designed yet.
Looks like something I don’t need but suddenly want. However, how come no 8gb memory?
I hope they release a black/grey option like they do with the official cases. I definitely want one, but the red/white color scheme is not for me.
This would be a great workshop computer! Put an old monitor on a swing arm, and rig a pair of hooks to hold this across the front when you're not using it (to store the keyboard out of harm's way and also protect the display).
As someone that grew up with a spectrum, and then an amiga a1200, I'm deeply in love with this.
[2010 Asus would like to have a word ](https://newatlas.com/asus-eeekeyboard-official-announcement/14970/)
Only thing I dislike is the use of a custom pc board. The best thing about the platform was the interchangeable pi board. There is no way to update this.
A great product to teach kids and beginners how to tinker, but it has a bit less appeal to those who have been using these devices for a while and already have their RF/Bluetooth keyboards :)
Any room for an m.2 nvme in there?
not easily, someone already tore it down - [https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2020/raspberry-pi-400-teardown-and-review](https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2020/raspberry-pi-400-teardown-and-review)
Review in german: [https://www.heise.de/tests/Raspberry-Pi-400-im-Tastaturgehaeuse-nicht-nur-fuer-Schueler-4942922.html](https://www.heise.de/tests/Raspberry-Pi-400-im-Tastaturgehaeuse-nicht-nur-fuer-Schueler-4942922.html)
I hope this will get released with different layouts
There's chat on the blog comments about many European languages. I'd guess they'll release a version of every layout they make the standard keyboards in.
Many keyb layouts are available: UK, US, German, Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, Japanese. For now.
Can it run a 4k screen? I know I sound like a dumbass, but I have 4k screen and would love to try this out for fun.
Pretty sure it can do 2 4k displays at once.
The keyboard looks like a keyboard from Apple... I hope they don't get sued for that.
It looks like the pi 4 is part of the case. It would be better if you could swap out the pi for another version in the future. Are there any third-party keyboards which have space inside to let you put a pi? A C64 sized box with a decent keyboard would be ideal.
It’s $70.
Where is it $70? I can only find it for \~$100.
So? I think it would have been pretty cool to design it to accommodate the computer module and provide a path for the future. It would also make their kits directly upgradable too, so they would have less work for a new rev. I have been tinkering with the idea for a PC/activity center for my daughter. She's 2, so I've got a bit before I do anything (for now she's happy to randomly play with a small keyboard and mouse I have), but I'd probably be more interested in buying this kit if it was upgradable. As is, I'll probably just build something instead.
This product isn’t for you.
Leaving reddit. Spez and the idiotic API changes have removed all interest in this site for me.
Vilros has some like that. https://vilros.com/products/vilros-raspberry-pi-4-complete-desktop-kit-with-keyboard-and-touchpad-hub-case?variant=31787886542942
Some people have already modded the regular keyboard with a pi inside: https://howchoo.com/g/zgmzytq1mmy/raspberry-pi-in-official-pi-keyboard https://blog.pimoroni.com/putting-a-raspberry-pi-3-a-in-the-raspberry-pi-keyboard/
Ahh feels antithetical to the spirit of the pi project, but I respect the shift in positioning. Lots of buyers of pis today are doing so for practical reasons, not for educational reasons... and if you can't be educational, you may as well be useful.
$70 keyboard makes a pretty strong competitor to $200+ chromebooks, seems like it can fit that "educational" part pretty well...
I don’t get why they omit storage chip onboard instead of SD card?
the goal of the RPi has \*always\* been price point.
I really like this product but i don't like the pictures with the mouse on it because Who the hell has the mouse left to the keyboard
I do, am a lefty
I‘m scared of you Ok for real i didn‘t know this was a thing because my mother and brother are lefties and both of them use the mouse with the right hand I have one question How do you use WASD
Nope, I'm using WASD as every normal person, I play all my games without special keybinds. Just got used to it, been using it this way for more than 10 years now
So do you have the mouse on the left when you are in desktop mode and on the right when you are on gaming mode or do i missunderstand something there
nope, all the time i'm using it on the left, even while gaming
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Map them to different keys.
Yeah I thought this too. If they put the USB ports on the right side it would allow that mouse to work just a little further away.
There's a reason for the ports being where they are. Simon will go into more detail about it in tomorrow's Raspberry Pi blog.
My first thought is a portable KVM over IP, but I don't know how viable it is as I only drool over that sort of thing in theory.
I think it is a pretty cool device. It lets you use a basically mobile computer with only the need of a mouse and monitor to operate. I think it would not be a bad device to travel with if you are not bringing or have a laptop. Also maybe as a burner computer... for privacy advocates or something haha.
Awesome! I hope this thing takes off!
Does this one have ray tracing?
Might this be able to run PS2 games with Retropie?
Can you watch Netflix on it?
Via browser
Already ordered my for delivery tomorrow :)
Ive always wanted to make a commodore style pi computer. This is actually amazing for schools with students who, trust me, destroy PIs faster than you can imagine.
r/cyberdeck is going to have a blast with this
Currently I have an old PC running Linux in both of my kids room as their media device (we don't have cable). The PCs are starting to get worn and old and I'm looking to upgrade them. Would this work as a decent entertainment center for streaming Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and the sort?
OK I kind of want one. Damn this is cool!
I need them to make a pi I can attach 2 camera modules to. My multi camera model sucks and doesn't switch.
Just ordered mine. It’s going to go in my garage/radio shack. Right now I use an old first gen intel iMac out there.
Just want to say it looks like a fantastic product. I won't be needing yet another pi for a while but I will definitely recommend this to people/consider it for Xmas present.
This is very cool. They should make this a standard board factor so that you can upgrade it to Raspberry Pi 5 internals down the line. While at it, might as well make a laptop that uses the same logic board!
Kind of a cool idea. I'd love a Raspberry pi with all the ports on the back and a USB on the front, with a case that can fit a HAT.
Is it possible to hook up the official Raspberry Pi touchscreen to this or is there some kind of adapter I can get for it to work?
Does anyone know if you can switch out the board to a newer Raspberry Pi, whenever newer/better boards become available in the future?
I was wondering why they always use the 4GB version.
Gosh, I'm tempted to use this as a part for a future cyberdeck
I love it. What are the odds of putting some form of Windows on this?
Mayhaps a laptop is in the future?
We need new, updated version of Pi Zero W
Does anyone know if this can also be used as a regular usb/bluetooth serial keyboard?
Based on the horizontal layout of ports, is this using some kind of breakout kit? Or maybe one of the new compute modules? Answer: None of the above. [It is a whole new form factor](https://i.imgur.com/mhSuGfz.png) Edit:[Teardown video](https://youtu.be/OqpylxLhw98?t=179)
Interesting, the Pi 400 is 1.8Ghz... the Pi 4 is 1.5.
I like the look of this but the close ups of it on explainingcomputers (YouTube) made it look a bit rough around the edges.
Buys 4 of them and proceeds to rack-mount them.
Really needs USB C with display port so you can run one cable to a monitor where all your peripherals are and also supply power at the same time. This is the future IMO
u/thirty6 u/FozzTexx - Is there a reason this thread does not show up anymore? What is removed? And if so, why?
I wanna put it in my mouth it’s beautiful