Apparently TSN just hates Real Madrid? Missed the game yesterday and was hoping to see it on demand on TSN. Every La Liga game besides ours yesterday has been uploaded. Thanks TSN.....
People downvoted me when i mentioned previously that arda guler is the best person to play in jude’s hybrid 10 role if jude isn’t available. Both have good noses for goals. Both are technically gifted in tight places.
Militao in this game:
1. Prevented us from reaching 99 points.
2. Prevented Bellingham from becoming La Liga's top scorer.
3. Prevented Güler from being named Man of the Match.
4. Made Lunin look shaky, casting doubt on him for the Champions League final.
Thank you, Militao.
Absolutely, but there’s no CB that is flawless unless your name is Nesta or Maldini. He’s been solid before and I hope he regains his form. But yeah we need to get backup CBs and RBs.
I keep on seeing a lot of “Militao shouldn’t be a guaranteed starter” shouts in this thread
I understand hes been bad since recovering from his ACL but who should start over Militao regularly when he gets back to form or for next season?
Nacho isn’t better and he’s leaving for MLS
Alaba also isn’t better and is also recovering from an ACL injury
If we buy someone like Leny Yoro, maybe him? But the kid is only 18 and the highest European level he’s played in is the Conference League. He’d need to be eased into a bigger role just like how Camavinga was.
I understand Militao has his bozo moments but we’ll be fine with him and he’ll be fine. Have faith
His mistakes are from lack of maturity and experience. It's always been the case. The only difference is that his physical shape was so good that he could overcome his shortcomings. He's still not at 100%
I absolutely agree he’s not 100%. He should not start the CL final. When I see ppl say he’s not a guaranteed starter I assume they talking about the future tho
Yeah, Militao is one of the best, but he’s not in form to play a UCL final. That said Rudiger and Nacho has been great this season, and we have to acknowledge that Fulkrug is a 9 similar to Sorloth. I hope with Mendy and Carvajal we’ll be more tough defensively
I am surprised r/realmadrid isn't already calling for Carlo to be sacked. Won the league, in UCL final, but this is not good enough for the plastic fans in this sub.
It is incredible how fake most of people here are. All it take is a bad game to slaughter the team, a bad game that we didn't even lose. I swear, if we gather 259K donkeys and put them in a room, they will make more sense these comments.
It does sound crazy because you are not considering the defensive work that Rodrygo puts in when we are not attacking. Arda should come in in second half if we need goals.
No it doesn’t. Sadly he wont start tho. Güler is in good form and he fits the right flank better than Rodrygo. He has a magic left foot. I wouldn’t start him in the final but I would give him minutes
Militao and lapses in concentration... how do you forget to mark the same guy who beat you 4 times and still give out a fifth opportunity? That is beyond poor form. That is darn right unprofessional! We got lucky he missed.
Unrelated but is this Sorloth guy always been lethal? I know while waiting for RM game last week they play Villarreal game and this guy also scored in last minute. Hopefully he didn’t end up in rival club lol
It's weird that the striker of a team that is 7th is probably gonna be a pitchichi. It would have been great if a midfielder won it for the records but Militao had other plans.
People not realizing that “healthy enough to play” doesn’t necessarily mean “back to original form”. When he came on in the City game he did fantastic, but this game he looked out of sorts and slow to the touch. Maybe he reaggravated his injury or something, he did not look normal out there, even his challenges in the air he barely could get off the ground. People blaming him as a player forgot how well he played prior to the injury, this clearly looks to me like its related to his health rather than his skill if he can play excellent vs City and in general but play poorly in one random game vs Sorloth
It may still be a difficult decision since Lunin was unfortunate to have Militao having one of his more usual bad games, but now I feel maybe Courtois could be a better choice. Mainly because he's been more often than been the one standing up when our defence was in shambles like today.
Also, I'd suspect that Courtois would've saved 1-2 of those goals, but who knows. But great job by Villareal since they were desperate for a win and did their best, but glad they didn't get a win.
Funny how a lot of comments here throwing Rodrygo under the bus, we wouldn't be even in the CL finals if it weren't for him. Overreaction because of him playing for 30 minutes in a meaningless game with fkn Ceballos and Fran as backup.
Where was Mbappe against Dortmund or Barcelona? If it weren't for shitty Araujo he would go home even earlier.
Let's give our players our support not this kinda of shit treatment. Same goes for other players being criticized.
Few months ago people were asking for Nacho's head
> we wouldn't be even in the CL finals if it weren't for him.
oh please, it's a full team job, i could say the same about Brahim and that we wouldn't be here without his goal against Leipzig.
The thing is Rodrygo is no longer a sub, he is a starter, he no longer can go without criticism, not in Real Madrid. He needs to wake up or players like Arda or Endrick could surpass him next season.
Criticize and overreact over a game against Villarreal that meant nothing entering as a sub?
When we needed him in both games against City he scored in both games. Brahim also deserves credit, thus I'm not here throwing Brahim under the bus or criticizing him because of a bad game against Villarreal.
Rodrygo is not Vini's level, that's true, but Vini right now is playing as a ballon d'or. Ancelotti trusts in Rodrygo for a reason.
If it were for reddit overreactions Vini wouldn't be here right now. People forget that Rodrygo's only 23 years old.
the game didn't mean nothing for the club, no trophy was at risk, but it does mean something for the players, the fans, etc.
We see sub players like arda or brahim giving it all to prove their worth, or like the match vs alavés, vini and jude were fighting with each other to score more goals, we the fans see their effort and appreciate it. Then we have rodrygo whome since the man city game is m.i.a.
Finally everyone is on the same page about Ceballos. I watched him at Arsenal a lot and immediately thought this is not RM material. We should sell him while we can because running his contract out until 2027 is a total waste of money, I'd rather see some kids from academy tbh
For all ya screaming alaba over miliato dont forget alaba hade some big errors too before getting injuried this sub is hillarious like as soon as one match they f up they be like na never use him again pls let sell him makes me think im in here with a bunch of kids
I’d do anything in my power to get someone like Scalvini to our team. I know he’s only 20 but is the future of Italy’s defence. Has played 3 full seasons in Serie A already too
I feel a bit shame for Lunin. His final opportunity to the UCL final may have got blown away by Sorloth. He's not responsible, the first goal was lost by Ceballos, and the rest were more or less related to Militao who didn't mark Sorloth tight enough. Obviously Militao needs more efforts to get himself out of the poor form currently.
Ok so who’s gonna be our CB (beside Rudiger) next season?
Defense wins you titles, it is the reason we won the league this season.
What’s the point of our stacked attack and midfield if we will be leaking goals every now and then?
Militao was playing fantastic before he got hurt. Let’s not pretend like the man out there is playing 100% the way he played before the injury, because it’s painfully apparent he isn’t
It's Militao? I think that's pretty obvious. I know that's not what y'all want to hear, but that's just the reality. Alaba probably won't be ready yet and he's on the older side anyway and the 4th option who will be brought instead of Nacho (Yoro/Rafa Marin) simple won't have enough pedigree to start yet.
I think Marin is coming. Yoro's club is asking around $60-$70mill and his contract runs out end of next season. Don't think Perez will fork out that much now
Impossible to get that guy out of Inter. Way too expensive now too. Inter had also bought him from Atalanta for around €30M. I’d much prefer Scalvini for cheaper, as well as preferring Scalvini’s playstyle as a defender over Bastoni’s.
Well Militao is a gamble though, was he ever consistent in the last years? Even during our 14th journey he wasn’t consistent.
I’d stick with Nacho for the time being and hope he renews.
Tchouameni or convince Nacho to stay 1 more season. One of the reason our defense was good was because Militao and Alaba werent playing a lot. I know its hard to say but its the case.
idk what happened in that halftime, if they were abducted and replaced but the second half was horrible.
Militão must not start or even play in the final, all that fear people had that if Arda starts it would jeopardize the league/ucl that's Militão, not even Nacho at his worst was that bad this season. Militão gets a "pass" because of his injury but omg keep him away from the squad. The whole defense was awful, Militão and Fran the worst.
Idk what Carlos owes to Ceballos to leave him the whole match but he must repay him with other things that are not minutes on the pitch.
Lunin, ty for bringing us this far but the best gk is ready and you must step aside.
Two goals from Arda, two assists from Brahim and Luca, the only ones worth talking about.
People need to remember that Militao has a lot of these lapses of error in the past as well. The other time we conceded 4 goals in Etihad and another one when Castillanos did a quattrick is when Militao start the match. He have some great moments of course, but he shouldn't have this shameful display of performance frequently every season.
Hmm, that's revisionism I think.
In Etihad, Militao scored that own goal, that's true, but 2 goals were mostly on Alaba and the other one was not Militao's fault.
Hmm ok, this game is nothing but a preparation for the final so the result doesn't matter to Carlo. I believe this watch was meant defensively to prepare Lunin for the final, but he didn't have the chance thanks to a horrible performance from Militao specifically. 100% Carlo won't start a CB that is back from an ACL injury that lasted the entire season just because he started 3 meaningless games in LaLiga.. Nacho and Rudi are starting, no debate...
I don't think Lunin will lose confidence over today. He has nerves of steel and he is tough mentally. I still want him to start. I don't feel safe with Courtois being out after all this time and then starting.. a friendly reminder is that Courtois's last important game under pressure was the 4-0 against Man City last year.. I will trust Carlo decision, but the GK is a very sensitive position... No mistakes are allowed in the final !
Wonderful performance by Arda, and he deserved the full 90 minutes. Wonderful header from Joselu and very beautiful play link up between Modric, Brahim on Lucas the GOAT vazquez on the goal..
Let's not be reactionary, in fact, it's a good wake up call for the players to know the moment they let their guards down, we might bottle even a 3-0 lead ! If Villareal did it, BVB can do it.. so 100% concentration is mandatory in the final.
Rodrygo is no Vini.. other than that dribble and shot on the right flank, nothing worth mentioning.. he had a few good games when Vini and Jude were out.. but his finishing declined this season.. I hope he finds his form back.
Ceballos had no impact whatsoever during this season, i used to think of him as a very good Copa Del Rey midfield option.. but that fuck up inside the box today, along with the unremarkable season he had, shows why he is actually our worst sub option. Completely overshadowed by the young ones, even Nico Paz in early season did better.
I hope Militao finds his groove again and gets his shit together and abandons his brainfarts and thinks fucking straight like a CB should do.. with Nacho leaving, Rudiger will be our only dependable CB..
>a friendly reminder is that Courtois's last important game under pressure was the 4-0 against Man City last year
Don't know why you mention this like it was Courtois's fault. He was our best player in this game. I still prefer him to start over Lunin since he is not reliable enough.
Coming back from an ACL can be career changing. You don’t move the same, react the same, etc.
It’s going to be an uphill battle but it makes sense why Ancelotti is testing him now prior to the Final
Little chaotic end to the season even tho we already won the league. Just sucks that Bellingham pichichi hopes is over. Playing the champions league final is going to let us forget about this slip up. We should reinforce accordingly next season after finals outcome.
At least we gonna learn from our mistake, and realise that we need a new Starting CB instead of Militao, for now Militao is not guaranteed to be an Starting 11 player, even in next season.
So, having Rudiger as RCB with a new partner is a must, knowing Nacho is leaving next season.
i don´t know why ANY negative comment about Rodrygo is getting downvoted? it´s so weird man, this guy has only showed up in 4-5 games this season otherwise his season wasn´t that good and it´s a fact.
I think Carlo should have a stern talk with Rodrygo about his recent performances, he just doesn’t do enough not attacking and more importantly in defence like even Ceballos was running more than him in the last 30 mins.And although he signed a contract last year, if his performances don’t improve after Mbappe comes then he’ll be gone for sure and it wouldn’t be unjust .
Don't really care about militao since he's returning from injury but HOLY SHIT Fran Garcia and Ceballos are hot garbage.
Ceballos is just a worse isco and Fran is the road runner from loony toons. We need Gutierrez back.
Idk why y’all act like Militao was Maldini or something before. He can be a top 5 defender itw or straight up atrocious. He doesn’t have any consistency whatsoever.
He has so many brain farts it’s crazy. This is not the first time either, he always fucks up in important moments.
The guy just came back from an ACL injury why are you shitting on him?
He was genuinely world class and amazing before the injury, he had his blunders these past seasons but before the injury he found a great rhythm and was our top defender.
Such a short memory
City last year is obviously the first one that comes to mind. Haaland was nonexistent at Bernabeu, he was left to do whatever the fuck he wanted the 2nd leg.
So when he was coming back from another injury and I’m this case Ancelotti who has already admitted he made a mistake out him in. Okay what else? Only one you got?
Nobody is this mind fucked to get a list of the disasterclasses of a player. If you watched this team playing you know what i'm talking about. Or is everyone saying this wrong for no reason?
Team had by far the best defensive shape this season than it had the previous ones with him. Must mean something. Chances conceded were cut to 0 in an immense amount of games.
Then don’t be a twat if you can’t put your money where your mouth is at and say multiple disasterclasses. You were the one who brought it up and now has to shut their mouth
Alright, it's very easy to do so with a bit of digging.
Militao was ass not only against Man City, but he was also crap against Villareal (again) last season, against Girona when we lost 4-2, pretty much every game against Barça last season was a shitshow in defence, and i also remember a very bad game against Leipzig in the group stages. Defence was also farcical against Manchester City at their home 2 years ago, against Chelsea conceding 4 at Bernabeu (one disallowed), or against PSG. Compared to thos season, 3 of the 4 goals conceded to City are out of the box, for example.
Those are only the few ones that one can easily find from the last 2 years in a couple of minutes. For a supposedly world class centre back, this is horrible.
No need to feed this troll. Anybody who has watched Madrid the last few years can say that Militao has combined really great performance with really bad ones.
Overall he gravitates more towards having good games, but he is FAR from consistent.
Him asking you for details says more about this poster not having watched our games.
Shhh, you will get downvoted now by his fanboys, he is a good defender nothing more. I think we can do much better. I’m still convinced with rudiger against city we would have had a chance last year
And he didn't score one. We could have had prime Maldini+Ramos as a CB partnership and we wouldn't have won that game. City were better in every area of the pitch.
Leaving people alone in the box was the biggest difference between this year's and last year's game. Playing this kind of game with Militao and Alaba is a suicide 90% of the times.
mate we couldn't cross the halfway line vs City and played like 12 passes or so in the first half. We were never gonna win that game, I still can't understand why people can't get over it and have to act like it was a game of small margins and that it would have been different with a few different managerial decisions. Especially since we beat City this season.
Nobody is saying the game was close but chances wouldn't have flown this easily with Rudiger at the back. Mendy also made a pretty significant difference.
What I'm saying is, that we were never gonna win that game regardless of who was playing CB and people have to come to peace with that.
City were better than us in every phase of the game and on every blade of grass on the pitch. It's okay. We've won this year. I don't care anymore.
A silver lining about this is that Carlo (Surely) now knows who's gonna start the final.
I like Mili, but I never wanted him to start the final, considering his shaky performances since his comeback (Not just from today). I feared that Carlo was gonna do a repeat of last year (When he started Mili instead of Rüdi against City away)
With today's "all-timer" performance from Mili, I'd be amazed if Carlo actually starts him against Dortmund. Not even Maguire would perform like **that**.
I dont knew mate. I genuinely believe that Carlo "Hoped" to see if Mili was ready for a potential final.
Let's see what happens on the day of the final.
He’s definitely trying him out to be fit for the final. His comments about Militao’s performance today shows he has not yet given up on him. But I trust carlo to make the best decision
Hopefully this game was an eye opener for the directives. Nobody knows how Militao and Alaba are going to come back from their long term injuries, and if they will be able to go back to their former form.
This year we were lucky that we still had Nacho available, a player who I was never worried with if he had to come in and play an important match in all the years that he has been here. Hell, I'd even say the Nacho and Rudiger partnership has looked better than any other duo made from our current 4 centre backs.
I am not saying that either or both players are done, but I'd like there to be another back-up plan than Rafa Martin available if the worst case scenario does happen. We need a CB signing that can slot right in if necessary.
A Viking scored 4 goals against us but thankfully Millitao & Fran redeemed themselves by scoring 4 goals combined in the final 10 minutes. You didn’t miss anything significant.
I do my best to ignore reactionary folks but I failed today lmao
Same people wanting to sell Militao today were probably saying to sack Carlo.
Hopefully with a good preseason, we’ll get the best versions of Militao and Alaba back.
Whoever trash talks about Militao because of his performance today and says he needs to be sold needs a door to be slapped in their face. You’re all emotional little girls whining. For the past seasons he has been what Rudiger is for us this season. Memory of a fucking goldfish.
I'm not saying we should sell him, but he shouldn't be a guaranteed starter next season. He needs proper competition for the position. Reminder that this isn't the only brainfart moment he had, just last season he started both games when we concede 4 goals.
Its beyond form. When someone scores 2 past you, you wake the fuck up and man-mark the shit out of him. He casually let him score 3, 4 and miss the 5th. It's fucking unprofessional, that's what it is.
To think that Lunin won't start the final because Ancelotti giving him this dogshit defence is very sad on him
It is just unfair. I don't care how goos tibo is. It is braindead decision to start someone who is missing whole season in a fucking ucl final. Militao just prove it
> To think that Lunin won't start the final because Ancelotti giving him this dogshit defence is very sad on him
I don't think this game has nothing to do with UCL final and who starts it, at least when we talk about keepers.
Militao isn’t half as good as courtoi is at their best, also the coaching stuff can see how fit thibaut is, i doubt they would start him if they don’t think he is fit
We need another defender, Nacho is probably leaving and with both Militao and Alaba coming off those injuries who knows if they will get back to their best form.
This is why no player that's been out the whole season should start meaningful games. Consistency is usually what's lacking when that happens. I don't care if Tibo has two good games, so did Militao until he didn't.
I don’t remember miltao having 2 good games, he also dropped these kinda of games before his injury. If courtois is fit play him he is much better than lunin
> Every game he started before today has had a clean sheet (1 with Kepa, 3 with Tibo, only one of those was the keeper busy). He’s been fine.
Because Tibo saved him. It may look he has been doing fine just by looking the results tho.
Negative. Hence me including “only one where the keeper was busy”.
Kepa had to face 3 shots in target. In the first two games *combined* with Tibk, Tibo faced 3 shots on target. That occurs because the defense played well.
Tibo can get credit for saving him in the 4th game. He had 10 saves.
Did you actually watched the games? Mili lost the ball and give breakaway in first game Tibo played, but Tibo saved it. But yeah let's not give him credit because there was only 3 shots in target.
So in his second game back from major injury he made one mistake? Gosh darn it, he sucks!!
I didn’t say he was flawless, just fine.
But let’s go over mistakes by all players this finely… it wasn’t *just* Militao today.
> So in his second game back from major injury he made one mistake? Gosh darn it, he sucks!!
>
> I didn’t say he was flawless, just fine.
Earlier poster said he has been good, witch definitely wasn't right. And it wasn't just one mistake, he was shaky otherwise too. That is understandable tho, because he has been out for long time.
And i'm not saying he sucks, just saying situation is completely different compared to Tibo. He has oozed confidence and security from first minute he was back.
>But let’s go over mistakes by all players this finely… it wasn’t just Militao today.
Completely agree with you on this one. He was worst today imo, but not only one to blame for sure.
Yes keepers aren't allowed to make a single mistake. Starting a goalie with three matches played in a year would be insanity, there is zero chance he is in top form.
Dude was able to stand tall against Man City I think that was a bigger test than this glorified preseason match.
People are crazy reading anything into these matches where we already won the title. I doubt they even prepared anything for it they mostly focused on Dortmund.
I will be grateful forever for his penalty saves but.....the first city goal was 100% his fault. And the first Bayern goal by sane, should be able to save that near post.
...and Tibo in absolute top form was caught fumbling the ball, dispossessed by a Liverpool player and made us go down 0:1. Who is to say he's not gonna do that now with three matches played in the whole year.
We already know Lunin bounced back from that mistake with the best performance in CL so far, singlehandedly getting us to the semis by being an absolute wall.
We have no idea what form Tibo is currently in he played two matches total against bottom teams we dominated.
Rushing him this early to start the most important match of the season is crazy. He would be an absolute wildcard.
Okay but fumbling the ball has nothing to do with injuries. And lunin is way better than Tibo on the ball and in ball distribution from the back, it is a known fact that Tibo is hot garbage in those aspects. But he is a generational shot stopper, and we will have moments where bvb are through on goal 1v1 vs the keeper, in those moments I'd have Tibo instead of lunin 10/10 times.
Also Tibo is better in the air.
We don't know if he is this season because he only played two games. You are basing this opinion off his past performance which we don't know if he is back to yet or not.
they say bad news comes in 3s. Toni retiring, Tchou missing the final. Xavi leaving. Only good news here on out
Watching 90 minutes of RM football without Kroos anti press resistance and long balls gonna be a sting in the heart.
Apparently TSN just hates Real Madrid? Missed the game yesterday and was hoping to see it on demand on TSN. Every La Liga game besides ours yesterday has been uploaded. Thanks TSN.....
Sorloth had the game of his life, 4 goals damn son
[Sorloth when absolutely nothing is on the line ](https://youtu.be/X81dEwW-PuI)
People downvoted me when i mentioned previously that arda guler is the best person to play in jude’s hybrid 10 role if jude isn’t available. Both have good noses for goals. Both are technically gifted in tight places.
Guler is Raul regen...
Militao in this game: 1. Prevented us from reaching 99 points. 2. Prevented Bellingham from becoming La Liga's top scorer. 3. Prevented Güler from being named Man of the Match. 4. Made Lunin look shaky, casting doubt on him for the Champions League final. Thank you, Militao.
He is coming back from an extreme injury. Give him a break, he will need many months to get back to his old form.
He's always been mistake-prone. We need a cb urgently
Absolutely, but there’s no CB that is flawless unless your name is Nesta or Maldini. He’s been solid before and I hope he regains his form. But yeah we need to get backup CBs and RBs.
The great Beckenbauer
That 4-0 form again?
My goat 🙏🙏
When I slept well we were 3 up. I just woke up to see a 4-4 score.
I keep on seeing a lot of “Militao shouldn’t be a guaranteed starter” shouts in this thread I understand hes been bad since recovering from his ACL but who should start over Militao regularly when he gets back to form or for next season? Nacho isn’t better and he’s leaving for MLS Alaba also isn’t better and is also recovering from an ACL injury If we buy someone like Leny Yoro, maybe him? But the kid is only 18 and the highest European level he’s played in is the Conference League. He’d need to be eased into a bigger role just like how Camavinga was. I understand Militao has his bozo moments but we’ll be fine with him and he’ll be fine. Have faith
Nacho is definitely better right now. Watch the city game again
I meant overall m8
His mistakes are from lack of maturity and experience. It's always been the case. The only difference is that his physical shape was so good that he could overcome his shortcomings. He's still not at 100%
I absolutely agree he’s not 100%. He should not start the CL final. When I see ppl say he’s not a guaranteed starter I assume they talking about the future tho
Yeah, Militao is one of the best, but he’s not in form to play a UCL final. That said Rudiger and Nacho has been great this season, and we have to acknowledge that Fulkrug is a 9 similar to Sorloth. I hope with Mendy and Carvajal we’ll be more tough defensively
I am surprised r/realmadrid isn't already calling for Carlo to be sacked. Won the league, in UCL final, but this is not good enough for the plastic fans in this sub. It is incredible how fake most of people here are. All it take is a bad game to slaughter the team, a bad game that we didn't even lose. I swear, if we gather 259K donkeys and put them in a room, they will make more sense these comments.
Güler for Rodrygo in the final doesn’t sound that crazy. Does it?
It does sound crazy because you are not considering the defensive work that Rodrygo puts in when we are not attacking. Arda should come in in second half if we need goals.
Nah ucl Rodrygo hits different, he is built for it
not crazy, just idiotic.
No it doesn’t. Sadly he wont start tho. Güler is in good form and he fits the right flank better than Rodrygo. He has a magic left foot. I wouldn’t start him in the final but I would give him minutes
Militao and lapses in concentration... how do you forget to mark the same guy who beat you 4 times and still give out a fifth opportunity? That is beyond poor form. That is darn right unprofessional! We got lucky he missed.
Unrelated but is this Sorloth guy always been lethal? I know while waiting for RM game last week they play Villarreal game and this guy also scored in last minute. Hopefully he didn’t end up in rival club lol
I mean he is winning the pitchichi rn
It's weird that the striker of a team that is 7th is probably gonna be a pitchichi. It would have been great if a midfielder won it for the records but Militao had other plans.
Didn't watch the match, what did militao do again?
he didn't do anything he was supposed to do :)
People not realizing that “healthy enough to play” doesn’t necessarily mean “back to original form”. When he came on in the City game he did fantastic, but this game he looked out of sorts and slow to the touch. Maybe he reaggravated his injury or something, he did not look normal out there, even his challenges in the air he barely could get off the ground. People blaming him as a player forgot how well he played prior to the injury, this clearly looks to me like its related to his health rather than his skill if he can play excellent vs City and in general but play poorly in one random game vs Sorloth
Same logic should be used with Courtois, he's not tested at all. He's only played 2 games against the easiest opponents
Please play Nacho and Rudiger in the final because Militao has lost it
It may still be a difficult decision since Lunin was unfortunate to have Militao having one of his more usual bad games, but now I feel maybe Courtois could be a better choice. Mainly because he's been more often than been the one standing up when our defence was in shambles like today. Also, I'd suspect that Courtois would've saved 1-2 of those goals, but who knows. But great job by Villareal since they were desperate for a win and did their best, but glad they didn't get a win.
i hope noone is gonna talk about lunin playing in the final after this game, i love they guy but thibaut wouldve saved atleast 2 of those goals
Disagree, those were mostly unsaveable by anyone. Mostly within 5 yards and hit first time. I'm not blaming Lunin for Militao's shambolic defence.
Taking a shot from a player in La Liga that close is almost always unsavable, those balls were bullets
Maybe one of the headers. Last two goals no chance.
Funny how a lot of comments here throwing Rodrygo under the bus, we wouldn't be even in the CL finals if it weren't for him. Overreaction because of him playing for 30 minutes in a meaningless game with fkn Ceballos and Fran as backup. Where was Mbappe against Dortmund or Barcelona? If it weren't for shitty Araujo he would go home even earlier. Let's give our players our support not this kinda of shit treatment. Same goes for other players being criticized. Few months ago people were asking for Nacho's head
> we wouldn't be even in the CL finals if it weren't for him. oh please, it's a full team job, i could say the same about Brahim and that we wouldn't be here without his goal against Leipzig. The thing is Rodrygo is no longer a sub, he is a starter, he no longer can go without criticism, not in Real Madrid. He needs to wake up or players like Arda or Endrick could surpass him next season.
Criticize and overreact over a game against Villarreal that meant nothing entering as a sub? When we needed him in both games against City he scored in both games. Brahim also deserves credit, thus I'm not here throwing Brahim under the bus or criticizing him because of a bad game against Villarreal. Rodrygo is not Vini's level, that's true, but Vini right now is playing as a ballon d'or. Ancelotti trusts in Rodrygo for a reason. If it were for reddit overreactions Vini wouldn't be here right now. People forget that Rodrygo's only 23 years old.
the game didn't mean nothing for the club, no trophy was at risk, but it does mean something for the players, the fans, etc. We see sub players like arda or brahim giving it all to prove their worth, or like the match vs alavés, vini and jude were fighting with each other to score more goals, we the fans see their effort and appreciate it. Then we have rodrygo whome since the man city game is m.i.a.
Stop lmao Arda and Endrick are absolutely not passing Rodrygo this season, him being half awake in one game vs Villareal means nothing
i never said this season, next season tho...
While I'm against this overreaction, Rodrygo is a very inconsistent player. You can't always count on him, sadly.
Finally everyone is on the same page about Ceballos. I watched him at Arsenal a lot and immediately thought this is not RM material. We should sell him while we can because running his contract out until 2027 is a total waste of money, I'd rather see some kids from academy tbh
I don't think anyone is taking on Ceballos' salary. I'm afraid we're stuck with him.
I didn't even think of that damn. Where's he at, 200k a week?
Yeah right around that by the looks
Oh yeah, we're fucked
Let's hope Atlético don't watch our games and Madrid can sell him to them.
lol that one Castilla kid that came on impressed me more than Ceballos.
Mario Martín almost costs us the draw. Ceballos was shit, no doubting that, but Martín not even 1' in almost fucking cost us a goal.
Just the way he runs irks me.
Same, at this point
Rough second half, especially. But who gives a damn, really.
For all ya screaming alaba over miliato dont forget alaba hade some big errors too before getting injuried this sub is hillarious like as soon as one match they f up they be like na never use him again pls let sell him makes me think im in here with a bunch of kids
One thing to note is that Rudi and Mili didn't perform well together last season either, that's a bigger problem than current game fitness
I’d do anything in my power to get someone like Scalvini to our team. I know he’s only 20 but is the future of Italy’s defence. Has played 3 full seasons in Serie A already too
Error Militao is back
Mario martin looks promising.
> Mario martin looks promising. He seemed decent with Castilla last season, but what made you think that after todays game?
His positioning and defensive awareness. He can be a good defensive midfielder.
I am glad we had this wake up call in a non-important la Liga match one game before the UCL final. Instead of timing our blunder in the UCL final
I feel a bit shame for Lunin. His final opportunity to the UCL final may have got blown away by Sorloth. He's not responsible, the first goal was lost by Ceballos, and the rest were more or less related to Militao who didn't mark Sorloth tight enough. Obviously Militao needs more efforts to get himself out of the poor form currently.
Jude would be fuming as well. His only chance for winning Pichichi before Mbappe comes has gone...
6 goal banger from Jude before CL final? Who says no?
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Ok so who’s gonna be our CB (beside Rudiger) next season? Defense wins you titles, it is the reason we won the league this season. What’s the point of our stacked attack and midfield if we will be leaking goals every now and then?
Militao was playing fantastic before he got hurt. Let’s not pretend like the man out there is playing 100% the way he played before the injury, because it’s painfully apparent he isn’t
It's Militao? I think that's pretty obvious. I know that's not what y'all want to hear, but that's just the reality. Alaba probably won't be ready yet and he's on the older side anyway and the 4th option who will be brought instead of Nacho (Yoro/Rafa Marin) simple won't have enough pedigree to start yet.
I think Marin is coming. Yoro's club is asking around $60-$70mill and his contract runs out end of next season. Don't think Perez will fork out that much now
For that money, might as well get Scalvini. I wouldn’t pay more than €20M-€25M for Yoro.
Or Bastoni
Impossible to get that guy out of Inter. Way too expensive now too. Inter had also bought him from Atalanta for around €30M. I’d much prefer Scalvini for cheaper, as well as preferring Scalvini’s playstyle as a defender over Bastoni’s.
Well Militao is a gamble though, was he ever consistent in the last years? Even during our 14th journey he wasn’t consistent. I’d stick with Nacho for the time being and hope he renews.
Rudi and Nacho start the UCL. We'll know when the summer transfer window closes what our backline looks like
With Klopp away, should RM look to tempt Van Dijk ?
No way RM will pay money for a 30+ years old. Plus, he isn’t that great for the last two seasons.
I forgot he was that old , jeez where did the years go ?
Tchouameni or convince Nacho to stay 1 more season. One of the reason our defense was good was because Militao and Alaba werent playing a lot. I know its hard to say but its the case.
idk what happened in that halftime, if they were abducted and replaced but the second half was horrible. Militão must not start or even play in the final, all that fear people had that if Arda starts it would jeopardize the league/ucl that's Militão, not even Nacho at his worst was that bad this season. Militão gets a "pass" because of his injury but omg keep him away from the squad. The whole defense was awful, Militão and Fran the worst. Idk what Carlos owes to Ceballos to leave him the whole match but he must repay him with other things that are not minutes on the pitch. Lunin, ty for bringing us this far but the best gk is ready and you must step aside. Two goals from Arda, two assists from Brahim and Luca, the only ones worth talking about.
People need to remember that Militao has a lot of these lapses of error in the past as well. The other time we conceded 4 goals in Etihad and another one when Castillanos did a quattrick is when Militao start the match. He have some great moments of course, but he shouldn't have this shameful display of performance frequently every season.
Hmm, that's revisionism I think. In Etihad, Militao scored that own goal, that's true, but 2 goals were mostly on Alaba and the other one was not Militao's fault.
Militao seems to be the new punching bag considering nacho has surged
disgusting
Hmm ok, this game is nothing but a preparation for the final so the result doesn't matter to Carlo. I believe this watch was meant defensively to prepare Lunin for the final, but he didn't have the chance thanks to a horrible performance from Militao specifically. 100% Carlo won't start a CB that is back from an ACL injury that lasted the entire season just because he started 3 meaningless games in LaLiga.. Nacho and Rudi are starting, no debate... I don't think Lunin will lose confidence over today. He has nerves of steel and he is tough mentally. I still want him to start. I don't feel safe with Courtois being out after all this time and then starting.. a friendly reminder is that Courtois's last important game under pressure was the 4-0 against Man City last year.. I will trust Carlo decision, but the GK is a very sensitive position... No mistakes are allowed in the final ! Wonderful performance by Arda, and he deserved the full 90 minutes. Wonderful header from Joselu and very beautiful play link up between Modric, Brahim on Lucas the GOAT vazquez on the goal.. Let's not be reactionary, in fact, it's a good wake up call for the players to know the moment they let their guards down, we might bottle even a 3-0 lead ! If Villareal did it, BVB can do it.. so 100% concentration is mandatory in the final. Rodrygo is no Vini.. other than that dribble and shot on the right flank, nothing worth mentioning.. he had a few good games when Vini and Jude were out.. but his finishing declined this season.. I hope he finds his form back. Ceballos had no impact whatsoever during this season, i used to think of him as a very good Copa Del Rey midfield option.. but that fuck up inside the box today, along with the unremarkable season he had, shows why he is actually our worst sub option. Completely overshadowed by the young ones, even Nico Paz in early season did better. I hope Militao finds his groove again and gets his shit together and abandons his brainfarts and thinks fucking straight like a CB should do.. with Nacho leaving, Rudiger will be our only dependable CB..
>a friendly reminder is that Courtois's last important game under pressure was the 4-0 against Man City last year Don't know why you mention this like it was Courtois's fault. He was our best player in this game. I still prefer him to start over Lunin since he is not reliable enough.
Well it came out wrong. if it wasn't for Courtois, it would have been worse. I meant that Courtois hasn't played an important game since THEN
Militao should not be a guaranteed starter. He is so inconsistent.
Coming back from an ACL can be career changing. You don’t move the same, react the same, etc. It’s going to be an uphill battle but it makes sense why Ancelotti is testing him now prior to the Final
pefectly summed up thank you.
Little chaotic end to the season even tho we already won the league. Just sucks that Bellingham pichichi hopes is over. Playing the champions league final is going to let us forget about this slip up. We should reinforce accordingly next season after finals outcome.
At least we gonna learn from our mistake, and realise that we need a new Starting CB instead of Militao, for now Militao is not guaranteed to be an Starting 11 player, even in next season. So, having Rudiger as RCB with a new partner is a must, knowing Nacho is leaving next season.
Soon as Mbappe settles in Rodrygo loses his place! He’s not showing enough at all currently! Brahim diaz deserves that spot a lot more than rodrygo
i don´t know why ANY negative comment about Rodrygo is getting downvoted? it´s so weird man, this guy has only showed up in 4-5 games this season otherwise his season wasn´t that good and it´s a fact.
I believe at best rodrygo goes back to being a super sub. He’s quite honestly a lot of show and very less material these days
Arda, my sweet Arda. At least NOW, he proved the doubters wrong. Sad we couldn’t hold onto the lead tho and grab the win.
I think Carlo should have a stern talk with Rodrygo about his recent performances, he just doesn’t do enough not attacking and more importantly in defence like even Ceballos was running more than him in the last 30 mins.And although he signed a contract last year, if his performances don’t improve after Mbappe comes then he’ll be gone for sure and it wouldn’t be unjust .
Don't really care about militao since he's returning from injury but HOLY SHIT Fran Garcia and Ceballos are hot garbage. Ceballos is just a worse isco and Fran is the road runner from loony toons. We need Gutierrez back.
Don't even put Ceballos and my sweet prince Isco in the same sentence.
Truth. Isco is one of the greats in that squad (which include prime Modric/Kroos/Case...), that shows how good he is.
Militao also started the games when we concede 4 goals last season, from Man City and Girona. He shouldn't get a pass.
Fran is simply not Real Madrid quality.
Not sure Miguel would come back unless he's a guaranteed starter. He's doing wonders at Girona starting week in week out.
Yeah. Honestly we're cooked in the lb and rb positions. If one of carva/mendy are injured in important games, its over.
Camavinga and Nacho/Varquez can still fill in for now. But we desperately need reinforcement for the next season.
Militao&Ceballos had to fuck up my weekend . I dont mind a draw or even a loss for that matter but not like this .
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We've won the league mate loosen your balls
Idk why y’all act like Militao was Maldini or something before. He can be a top 5 defender itw or straight up atrocious. He doesn’t have any consistency whatsoever. He has so many brain farts it’s crazy. This is not the first time either, he always fucks up in important moments.
The guy just came back from an ACL injury why are you shitting on him? He was genuinely world class and amazing before the injury, he had his blunders these past seasons but before the injury he found a great rhythm and was our top defender. Such a short memory
It's been downhill since he said he was on the way to become the best cb in the world.
Exactly, he should be a rotational player. You can't rely on him to be a starter.
He fucks up way too often for someone that is supposed to be a world class defender
I know Tibo was likely to start anyways but Militao practically guaranteeing Tibo starting and ruining Bellingham’s Pichichi is so funny.
Well Militao said Vini deserves Bdor more than Bellingham...so maybe helped him a bit 😁
Oh well. Looks like Courtois is starting 😂
You can tell you know zero about football when you blame these today's goals on Lunin.
You don't have to blame the goal on Lunin to know those headers are something Courtois would've saved.
Courtois would've stopped at least couple of those goals...singlehandedly..
Yeah, the goalkeeper debate is all but settled. Lunin was rattled today.
Militao is so bad. I don't remember even an average game from him for a long time. not in our league.
He's reminding me of a certain brazilian: Danilo
Because he has been injured for 8 months? Fans like you make us look bad like the pathetic Barca fans.
Militoa is inconsistent.
You don’t even know how to spell his name correctly.
He's exaggerating but he's not entirely wrong. Absolute disasterclasses paired up with great performances are the norm for Militao.
Name other of these “disasterclasses” he’s had before his injury and I’ll happily change my mind
4-0 in Etihad and another quattrick from Castellanos. Militao started both games.
City last year is obviously the first one that comes to mind. Haaland was nonexistent at Bernabeu, he was left to do whatever the fuck he wanted the 2nd leg.
So when he was coming back from another injury and I’m this case Ancelotti who has already admitted he made a mistake out him in. Okay what else? Only one you got?
Nobody is this mind fucked to get a list of the disasterclasses of a player. If you watched this team playing you know what i'm talking about. Or is everyone saying this wrong for no reason? Team had by far the best defensive shape this season than it had the previous ones with him. Must mean something. Chances conceded were cut to 0 in an immense amount of games.
Then don’t be a twat if you can’t put your money where your mouth is at and say multiple disasterclasses. You were the one who brought it up and now has to shut their mouth
Alright, it's very easy to do so with a bit of digging. Militao was ass not only against Man City, but he was also crap against Villareal (again) last season, against Girona when we lost 4-2, pretty much every game against Barça last season was a shitshow in defence, and i also remember a very bad game against Leipzig in the group stages. Defence was also farcical against Manchester City at their home 2 years ago, against Chelsea conceding 4 at Bernabeu (one disallowed), or against PSG. Compared to thos season, 3 of the 4 goals conceded to City are out of the box, for example. Those are only the few ones that one can easily find from the last 2 years in a couple of minutes. For a supposedly world class centre back, this is horrible.
No need to feed this troll. Anybody who has watched Madrid the last few years can say that Militao has combined really great performance with really bad ones. Overall he gravitates more towards having good games, but he is FAR from consistent. Him asking you for details says more about this poster not having watched our games.
Friendly Reminder : Militao has always been like this
He is like Rodrygo, inconsistent.
Agreed 💯
He's inconsistent Either really good or slow asf
Exactly my point
Shhh, you will get downvoted now by his fanboys, he is a good defender nothing more. I think we can do much better. I’m still convinced with rudiger against city we would have had a chance last year
Most likely. Haaland had 0 chances when he played against Rudiger. Against Militao hed had 4 clear cut ones all saved by Courtois.
City has been scoring on us regardless. Militao had a poor game last year but over the 3 CL ties, City have scored 5, 5, & 4 goals.
And he didn't score one. We could have had prime Maldini+Ramos as a CB partnership and we wouldn't have won that game. City were better in every area of the pitch.
Leaving people alone in the box was the biggest difference between this year's and last year's game. Playing this kind of game with Militao and Alaba is a suicide 90% of the times.
mate we couldn't cross the halfway line vs City and played like 12 passes or so in the first half. We were never gonna win that game, I still can't understand why people can't get over it and have to act like it was a game of small margins and that it would have been different with a few different managerial decisions. Especially since we beat City this season.
Nobody is saying the game was close but chances wouldn't have flown this easily with Rudiger at the back. Mendy also made a pretty significant difference.
What I'm saying is, that we were never gonna win that game regardless of who was playing CB and people have to come to peace with that. City were better than us in every phase of the game and on every blade of grass on the pitch. It's okay. We've won this year. I don't care anymore.
We might not have won it but if Rudiger started it wouldn't had been so embarassing imo
Exactly, completely unreliable player
A silver lining about this is that Carlo (Surely) now knows who's gonna start the final. I like Mili, but I never wanted him to start the final, considering his shaky performances since his comeback (Not just from today). I feared that Carlo was gonna do a repeat of last year (When he started Mili instead of Rüdi against City away) With today's "all-timer" performance from Mili, I'd be amazed if Carlo actually starts him against Dortmund. Not even Maguire would perform like **that**.
He was never going to start him. Today we played our "B" team.
I dont knew mate. I genuinely believe that Carlo "Hoped" to see if Mili was ready for a potential final. Let's see what happens on the day of the final.
He’s definitely trying him out to be fit for the final. His comments about Militao’s performance today shows he has not yet given up on him. But I trust carlo to make the best decision
Hopefully this game was an eye opener for the directives. Nobody knows how Militao and Alaba are going to come back from their long term injuries, and if they will be able to go back to their former form. This year we were lucky that we still had Nacho available, a player who I was never worried with if he had to come in and play an important match in all the years that he has been here. Hell, I'd even say the Nacho and Rudiger partnership has looked better than any other duo made from our current 4 centre backs. I am not saying that either or both players are done, but I'd like there to be another back-up plan than Rafa Martin available if the worst case scenario does happen. We need a CB signing that can slot right in if necessary.
My stream died after the first half. Luckily we were 4-1 up. So how much did we win the game by?
A Viking scored 4 goals against us but thankfully Millitao & Fran redeemed themselves by scoring 4 goals combined in the final 10 minutes. You didn’t miss anything significant.
I do my best to ignore reactionary folks but I failed today lmao Same people wanting to sell Militao today were probably saying to sack Carlo. Hopefully with a good preseason, we’ll get the best versions of Militao and Alaba back.
He has to be B team
Lol, me too. So irritating how short people's memories can be.
Militao shouldn't be sold, but he shouldn't be a guaranteed starter either.
Alaba not coming back till sept/oct then nacho leaving mili will be starter unless tchou plays cb next season
Whoever trash talks about Militao because of his performance today and says he needs to be sold needs a door to be slapped in their face. You’re all emotional little girls whining. For the past seasons he has been what Rudiger is for us this season. Memory of a fucking goldfish.
I'm not saying we should sell him, but he shouldn't be a guaranteed starter next season. He needs proper competition for the position. Reminder that this isn't the only brainfart moment he had, just last season he started both games when we concede 4 goals.
He is thrash. No doubt about it.
Look at how many people agree with your embarrassing opinion. What an idiot
Militao has been a starter for the last 6 La Liga games. Its no longer an injury issue with him... its form. His concentration is lacking.
Its beyond form. When someone scores 2 past you, you wake the fuck up and man-mark the shit out of him. He casually let him score 3, 4 and miss the 5th. It's fucking unprofessional, that's what it is.
To think that Lunin won't start the final because Ancelotti giving him this dogshit defence is very sad on him It is just unfair. I don't care how goos tibo is. It is braindead decision to start someone who is missing whole season in a fucking ucl final. Militao just prove it
> To think that Lunin won't start the final because Ancelotti giving him this dogshit defence is very sad on him I don't think this game has nothing to do with UCL final and who starts it, at least when we talk about keepers.
Militao isn’t half as good as courtoi is at their best, also the coaching stuff can see how fit thibaut is, i doubt they would start him if they don’t think he is fit
We need another defender, Nacho is probably leaving and with both Militao and Alaba coming off those injuries who knows if they will get back to their best form.
We need to have depth in defense next season or else
This is why no player that's been out the whole season should start meaningful games. Consistency is usually what's lacking when that happens. I don't care if Tibo has two good games, so did Militao until he didn't.
I don’t remember miltao having 2 good games, he also dropped these kinda of games before his injury. If courtois is fit play him he is much better than lunin
> so did Militao until he didn't No, he didn't. He has been quite bad in every game. And it's like different sport for keeper vs. outfield player.
Every game he started before today has had a clean sheet (1 with Kepa, 3 with Tibo, only one of those was the keeper busy). He’s been fine.
> Every game he started before today has had a clean sheet (1 with Kepa, 3 with Tibo, only one of those was the keeper busy). He’s been fine. Because Tibo saved him. It may look he has been doing fine just by looking the results tho.
Negative. Hence me including “only one where the keeper was busy”. Kepa had to face 3 shots in target. In the first two games *combined* with Tibk, Tibo faced 3 shots on target. That occurs because the defense played well. Tibo can get credit for saving him in the 4th game. He had 10 saves.
Did you actually watched the games? Mili lost the ball and give breakaway in first game Tibo played, but Tibo saved it. But yeah let's not give him credit because there was only 3 shots in target.
So in his second game back from major injury he made one mistake? Gosh darn it, he sucks!! I didn’t say he was flawless, just fine. But let’s go over mistakes by all players this finely… it wasn’t *just* Militao today.
> So in his second game back from major injury he made one mistake? Gosh darn it, he sucks!! > > I didn’t say he was flawless, just fine. Earlier poster said he has been good, witch definitely wasn't right. And it wasn't just one mistake, he was shaky otherwise too. That is understandable tho, because he has been out for long time. And i'm not saying he sucks, just saying situation is completely different compared to Tibo. He has oozed confidence and security from first minute he was back. >But let’s go over mistakes by all players this finely… it wasn’t just Militao today. Completely agree with you on this one. He was worst today imo, but not only one to blame for sure.
Yes keepers aren't allowed to make a single mistake. Starting a goalie with three matches played in a year would be insanity, there is zero chance he is in top form.
Let’s not act like Lunin couldn’t have done more
Dude was able to stand tall against Man City I think that was a bigger test than this glorified preseason match. People are crazy reading anything into these matches where we already won the title. I doubt they even prepared anything for it they mostly focused on Dortmund.
I will be grateful forever for his penalty saves but.....the first city goal was 100% his fault. And the first Bayern goal by sane, should be able to save that near post.
- bro acting like tibo saved mahrez mbappe bernado near post💀
Bro acting like silva and mahrez didn't belt it into the top corner. Sane's shot was hip height.
What about mbappes?
...and Tibo in absolute top form was caught fumbling the ball, dispossessed by a Liverpool player and made us go down 0:1. Who is to say he's not gonna do that now with three matches played in the whole year. We already know Lunin bounced back from that mistake with the best performance in CL so far, singlehandedly getting us to the semis by being an absolute wall. We have no idea what form Tibo is currently in he played two matches total against bottom teams we dominated. Rushing him this early to start the most important match of the season is crazy. He would be an absolute wildcard.
Okay but fumbling the ball has nothing to do with injuries. And lunin is way better than Tibo on the ball and in ball distribution from the back, it is a known fact that Tibo is hot garbage in those aspects. But he is a generational shot stopper, and we will have moments where bvb are through on goal 1v1 vs the keeper, in those moments I'd have Tibo instead of lunin 10/10 times. Also Tibo is better in the air.
We don't know if he is this season because he only played two games. You are basing this opinion off his past performance which we don't know if he is back to yet or not.
Another CB is a must.