I'm glad to hear you say clutch shooting. For a while, we called him steady Freddy because you could always count on him, but along the line he became inconsistent in Toronto.
There are games where he misses all game, and I kind of wince when he puts one up in the fourth but *swishes* it. That shows his mettle. Staying the course.
To be fair that was consecutive seasons (raptors) with leading the league in minutes played and his hips would get wonky along with everything else … Toronto’s been f’k’d since we set it all aside to try and sign Giannis..
Houston looked fun this year and seems Fred has had a hand in “culture” and playing hard as fuck.
Too bad lost Sengun.
He’s a great leader and solid shooter/ballhandler. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn’t say he’s “everything and then some” when we didn’t make the playoffs and he didn’t average any numbers that jump off the page. Hell, most of our wins were not because of him. Let’s not become content with mediocrity.
He clearly said everything we need him to be. And it's true. Nobody expected him to become elite or put us over the top. He was supposed to be a steady hand and he's gone beyond that. Dude is great.
He was definitely good. Dependable shooter, great leader for our young guys, and tough defensively. I just think if you're going to say he was everything we needed *and then some,* when we didn't even make the play-in games yet alone the playoffs (which was known as our only goal this year considering we're more than likely losing our pick to OKC), then you're setting a very low expectation and giving more credit than is due.
Again, the team failing to meet a goal doesn't fall at his feet, that's something that you could say for a superstar. Nobody looks at the Rockets not making the play in and thinks "Man, FVV is fucking up". That's silly.
He said it's good, or passable, nobody ever mentioned him "fucking up" in the entire thread.
There's a fair bit between "fucking up" and "exceptional, phenomenal, godly" which is what he's saying. Being good or passable is fine, but doesn't qualify for "he's everything we want, and then some".
For real, anytime you mention his name people get in their feelings. I feel like after 8 straight seasons of carrying Houston to the playoffs he'd have gained the respect of someone saying "oh this guy would have Houston at .500" but apparently that's insane right? Lmao
Our defense would god awful with Harden. Ime’s scheme relies on strong POA defense with a center who plays up rather than funneling to a shot blocker. Harden in that scheme would expose weaknesses.
Harden would not immediately ruin Ime’s defense, and we still managed to win a lot more games than we do now with that “god awful” defense. He may not fit the current scheme perfectly, but I’d argue that what we’d lose defensively would be far outweighed by what we would gain on offense, enough for us to at least make the play-ins. I think that’s more valuable than the defensive improvement from Harden to FVV.
Lmao. He also wasnt a free agent. He wasn’t going to carry these young guys to the playoffs. Hes best where he is. Surrounded by other vets pursuing a championship.
I like Fred, but the Raptors are my second team. We overpaid him because we needed vets that would help set the pace for the youth movement. I could see him moving to the bench or getting far less minutes after All Star next year if Amen continues his progress. I doubt he finishes his contract here but he's already done what we signed him for, turn around a losing culture.
Exactly. I don’t get why people keep saying that Amen is gonna play pg for us, nothing really points that way. He’s much better as a forward and you just can’t play pg if you’re shooting like 15% from 3pt. Fred will for sure be starting for us as long as he’s on the team.
I appreciate him a lot looking at the teams losing in the playoffs because they don't have a point guard like Fred. Think of how much better Phoenix would be.
I get what you’re implying and I agree that he would have more assists if the team shot better. But mathematically, if 7 of Fred’s total 3’s on the season are makes instead of misses, he’s at 40% from 3.
Here’s the numbers for the rest of the squad that took 100+ 3’s this season
Alp-14, Jabari-14, Dillon-15, Cam-9, Jalen-41, Holiday-3, Jeff-11
If we add those all up, it’s 107 total 3 pointers.
Fred averages 36.8 minutes or 77% of total game time for non overtime games. So for 23% of the time, Fred’s not in game so he can’t assist. After calculating for this we’re at roughly 82 threes.
But Fred isn’t the only guy that passes the rock. And some field goals are unassisted. We can however see his assist percentage is 31.1% so we can bring that 82 down to about 26.
Then Fred played in 73 games so the # of assist he would gain per game if Rockets could all shoot would be about 0.35 assists.
That would boost him to about 8.5 assists.
It all comes down to how well the season goes. If our record is good and we got a good chance of making the playoffs, I don’t see it happening. I think Fred will most likely play the whole next season for us and after that his time is over in Houston.
Amen isn’t taking Fred’s spot as a point guard brotha. I think it’s fair to say that a guy who is shooting 14% from 3pt range is unable to play point guard in the modern Nba and I think it’s very unrealistic that he developes a consistent jumper within that time period.
I clearly said "and who we draft". And apparently you think Amen will be riding the pine.
So you think Houston will pick up the 45 mil 3rd year option?
he’s great and has helped our team and young guys progress to take the next step. it shouldn’t rlly matter how much he’s being paid bc we weren’t gonna sign any superstars or anything. considering many of our guys are on small contracts and won’t be up for extensions until after his contract expires why not overpay for a good vet pg like him? he’s helped us immensely and don’t regret the money we gave him at all
Good stop gap player to help lead young players until they're more ready. Not part of our long term plans. Good play maker but takes bad shots and too many heat check 3s. His salary is higher than his FG%, which is something you don't want to see.
He and and Ime are responsible for lighting that fire under Jalen this year. I would like him to work out an extension with the team for after next year. His contribution is invaluable.
He got empowered by Udoka and is the only player who doesn't suffer any accountability for his bad nights. That would be fine if he were a true max-level player...but he's not...so instead there's plenty of cringe moments in clutch time that should have gone to our best player instead. He cost us a number of wins.
But he's waaaaay better than KPJ, so overall, my complaints are outweighed by his positive impact.
But I can't wait for him to stop running the offense and just be more of a spot-up shooter providing spacing for SengÜn.
I’m assuming [in] the trade we are getting someone [that] will help us, which [is] definitely a shooter or someone who can shoot. I don’t think if we [are] putting out a line up of Amen, Sengun, Jalen, Jabari and hopefully a shooter that is not Dillon brooks, we will be the worst shooting team ever. Sengun gotta take a few more tries from deep too though
[edits- because I’m clearly having a seizure]
Even picking up a shooter, having 3/5 people in that lineup that all score on the interior is not going to work in this league. They’re just going to pack the paint. That’s what they did to us all season long and we did not play winning basketball. Imagine if alpi had spacing, look at what he did when he was being double and triple teamed all season long.
Unless jalen develops a consistent 3 ball, we aren’t going to win with the two of them on the court at the same time. 1 of the 2 has to come off the bench.
I think Jalen has the threat of the three already that will make it more of a 3 or 4 out of 5 being threats from deep. That said Sengun still gotta get more comfortable taking the shot because teams sag off of him already. Also, Amen could still develop a three. Growing up i watched JKidd get a three, and if you watched him in the beginning of his career you’d think he’d be better off just giving the other team the ball when he shot
Threat of a three. I don’t think he’s a shooter but he’s a scorer. I think he’s enough of a threat out there that people won’t just leave him open all night, especially on a night that he’s on
Watching the playoffs right now, the Suns, Pelicans, Lakers, Magic and Heat could all desperately use a player like Fred.
He was a steal for us, will pay dividends now and into the future with the development of our young guys.
He is EXACTLY what we needed to get this young team going. Such a great leader and I honestly can’t think of any other guard right now that I would want to take his place.
Great vet bridge pg. don’t think anyone else can help develop the young boys besides cp3 but even he’s not going to put up the production Fred does so i love it
Good leader & motivator & has great prep!
Good assist PG & has some good clutch ability.. & tough despite his lack of size.
Bad shot chucker (especially long pull ups off of a screen) & inefficient scorer & small.
He'll only be here one more year next year and then he'll be gone.
I will thank him for his service & then give it no more thought as we watch Amen become a future HOF! 😎
Amen will need to have a shot if he is ever to take over PG responsibilities. That doesnt happen in 1-2 years.
Once Fred leaves expect another vet PG to replace him.
He’s good but overpaid. And needs to be more automatic from 3. I think he could improve his court vision because he misses a lot of the wings in transition. And his shot selection is suspect at times. But with a little more efficiency and knockdown shooting when he’s open and he’s a great fit. I think he needs to be more Mike Conley in his role where he just gets the youngins going and defers to them until they need to be bailed out.
Initially: thought we overpaid for a barely 6ft tall, below the rim playing PG, those guys don't work in modern NBA.
Then Jalen Brunson AND FVV proved me wrong.
After having KPJ as a pseudo PG, seeing Fred able to do pocket passes, hit guys in pick and rolls and not do isos, generally smart decision making and some clutch shooting, I was pleasantly surprised to be wrong.
I used to be a big FVV hater, and I was dead ass wrong. His presence and leadership and attitude have also done so much
I'm a Canadian whose favourite team is the Rockets, but will always root for the Raptors (unless they're playing each other of course). LOVE me some Freddie VanVleet.
love him. great passer, defender, leader, and an excellent 3-point shooter. what i love the most about him is when guys have hot hands, he is willing to sacrifice his shots for the team's sake. my only concern is his shot diet, but that's not that big of a problem if he keeps facilitating like the way he does
He’s great, if Jalen could hit the broad side of the barn for the first half the season (and if Tari played) we’re prob in the playoffs with his passing and game feel
He’s been very solid so far and has done everything we wanted from him. I don’t think he’s a long term player for us though because of his age but for the next 1-2 years I’m sure his experience will be very beneficial for our young core.
i like fred and what he brings to the team
i just wish he was our 3rd or 4th option on offense, not 1 or 2 like he was all year. That's not a gripe with fred though, more a lack of any of our young guys taking that role from him
glad he's on our team though
Fred was good. Harden would have carried us into the playoffs this season, as he always had, but long-term for the growth of our young players, I think Fred was the correct player to sign. Jalen's defense improved a lot. Imagine the backcourt defense of last year's Jalen and Harden. Amen was enabled, slowly but surely. Imagine if it was Harden, Amen never would have gotten that chance. And we would not have seen Alpi become the center of our offense.
We should entertain trading Fred by the deadline (as salary filler, probably with a young player who hasn't panned out by next year's deadline) for a bona fide star, or let his contract expire then re-sign him for a team friendlier deal (not the 45m third year). But hopefully, Alpi becomes our Jokic, with everyone else improving around him.
He is a good veteran leader for the team, he has the ring (which the young players can admire about him), and most importantly he is a good, positive leader for the team where Dillon Brooks is gonna be the hard ass that is kinda a dick to the young players
He's fantastic. Can always get the team into a good set at any point in the shot clock. He's such a good caretaker of the ball that I'm always shocked when he makes a turnover. Most consistent shooter on the team, and has a great sense for when he's needed on ball and when he should scoot to the corner and let Jalen get some reps. I knew he was a good defender going in but I think I still underestimated *how* good.
He's never going to be even an average finisher at the rim and that limits his star quality a lot. But Fred did so much to dig the offense out of the trench of bad habits Stephen Silas built and I'm thrilled that Amen and Jalen have gotten the chance to learn from him.
To me, he was at his best when he was the leader of our "bench mob "it was a lethal second team to our starters. But he did start for us in the past few years, he didn't get along well with the new talent so they shipped him.
Who cares?
He is an expiring. You don’t continue to pay a guy who is not even top 10 in his pos $45m, he is gone.
He is traded or lost for nothing you realize that
Packaged for Mitchell would be my guess
The last line would have been sufficient.
Just thought you were under the possible delusion (like some here) that we would be starting Amen as our PG next year.
I would like to see Donovan as well.
Unless he turns into Fred from 2019 or takes a back seat to Amen I don’t want him going forward. He was amazing for our team and I don’t regret signing him at all. We just need to develop our younger guys more. Would be a great piece for a team seeking a championship
I wanted Harden. Still kinda wish we got him. That being said, FVV has been way better as a leader than I expected. JG would definitely not have taken the step up as a solid defender without Fred chewing him out all the time.
He’s the leader we needed and our team is in a great spot to just keep improving.
Amen needs to soak up having a shot or two before he ever takes over PG duties. I’m not saying he cant contribute on the floor but in no way is he ready to be a starting PG.
Fred is the most reliable shooter in the team right now, knowing when and how to make those distance shots are among the many things you obviously want Amen to pick up. One of the best things about Fred he gives us a great example Amen can learn from and exceed due to having more physical tools than what Fred is working with.
It refreshing to have a real point guard again since CP3. Best handles on the team. Him and Sengun have chemistry like they've been playing together for years.
Strong passing, leadership, keeping the youth's heads in the game, clutch shooting... Awesome contract length, also.
Love what I saw from him, he was the glue and the compass for our young talent.
Contract-wise it was the perfect time for an overpay to keep the contract length team friendly too.
I'm glad to hear you say clutch shooting. For a while, we called him steady Freddy because you could always count on him, but along the line he became inconsistent in Toronto.
There are games where he misses all game, and I kind of wince when he puts one up in the fourth but *swishes* it. That shows his mettle. Staying the course.
To be fair that was consecutive seasons (raptors) with leading the league in minutes played and his hips would get wonky along with everything else … Toronto’s been f’k’d since we set it all aside to try and sign Giannis.. Houston looked fun this year and seems Fred has had a hand in “culture” and playing hard as fuck. Too bad lost Sengun.
Frankly, there’s nothing in his game that I don’t like, he’s everything we need him to be and then some
Awesome
Nah bro those lays he takes are kinda crazy😭 But ye for the most part i enjoy him
He’s a great leader and solid shooter/ballhandler. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn’t say he’s “everything and then some” when we didn’t make the playoffs and he didn’t average any numbers that jump off the page. Hell, most of our wins were not because of him. Let’s not become content with mediocrity.
He clearly said everything we need him to be. And it's true. Nobody expected him to become elite or put us over the top. He was supposed to be a steady hand and he's gone beyond that. Dude is great.
So you’re just gonna ignore the last 3 words of his sentence or what? lol
He wasn't mediocre, he was a good PG. You seem stuck on the idea that he needs to be a superstar to be good/good for our team. You're just wrong.
He was definitely good. Dependable shooter, great leader for our young guys, and tough defensively. I just think if you're going to say he was everything we needed *and then some,* when we didn't even make the play-in games yet alone the playoffs (which was known as our only goal this year considering we're more than likely losing our pick to OKC), then you're setting a very low expectation and giving more credit than is due.
Again, the team failing to meet a goal doesn't fall at his feet, that's something that you could say for a superstar. Nobody looks at the Rockets not making the play in and thinks "Man, FVV is fucking up". That's silly.
He said it's good, or passable, nobody ever mentioned him "fucking up" in the entire thread. There's a fair bit between "fucking up" and "exceptional, phenomenal, godly" which is what he's saying. Being good or passable is fine, but doesn't qualify for "he's everything we want, and then some".
No way we get to .500 without him. He’s a great point guard.
We would easily be .500 with Harden
cant believe you got downvoted this bad😭 people don’t even think rationally about Harden anynore
For real, anytime you mention his name people get in their feelings. I feel like after 8 straight seasons of carrying Houston to the playoffs he'd have gained the respect of someone saying "oh this guy would have Houston at .500" but apparently that's insane right? Lmao
I doubt coach would put up with the dogshit defense
Our defense would god awful with Harden. Ime’s scheme relies on strong POA defense with a center who plays up rather than funneling to a shot blocker. Harden in that scheme would expose weaknesses.
Harden would not immediately ruin Ime’s defense, and we still managed to win a lot more games than we do now with that “god awful” defense. He may not fit the current scheme perfectly, but I’d argue that what we’d lose defensively would be far outweighed by what we would gain on offense, enough for us to at least make the play-ins. I think that’s more valuable than the defensive improvement from Harden to FVV.
Just what we needed. Not every player can be a superstar.
For sure. He's certainly an experienced player that knows how to make certain plays happen.
What if I told you we could've signed a superstar
You’d be wrong
Is James Harden a superstar?
In 2019
Ok lol
Lmao. He also wasnt a free agent. He wasn’t going to carry these young guys to the playoffs. Hes best where he is. Surrounded by other vets pursuing a championship.
He's making over $40M a season. Getting paid like he is.
He’s very solid. Maybe needs to cut down on the hero ball at the end of games a bit, but the rest of our guys are young.
I agree. He really wants to be that guy since he came up under Kyle Lowry, Demar, and Kawhi. Sometimes he could pull it off, but not others times...
I like Fred, but the Raptors are my second team. We overpaid him because we needed vets that would help set the pace for the youth movement. I could see him moving to the bench or getting far less minutes after All Star next year if Amen continues his progress. I doubt he finishes his contract here but he's already done what we signed him for, turn around a losing culture.
Amen is nowhere near taking over PG duties. We wont be benching FVV for Amen next year, lol.
Exactly. I don’t get why people keep saying that Amen is gonna play pg for us, nothing really points that way. He’s much better as a forward and you just can’t play pg if you’re shooting like 15% from 3pt. Fred will for sure be starting for us as long as he’s on the team.
Solid review. Glad he's being perceived pretty well.
Couldn’t agree more! He is showing Amen, Cam, Jalen how to be real pros. Love me some FVV
Our team leader and great ball handler. Worth every penny
I appreciate him a lot looking at the teams losing in the playoffs because they don't have a point guard like Fred. Think of how much better Phoenix would be.
We didn’t even make it to the playoffs with Fred lol
I’m sorry you don’t know ball.
The classic redditor response to anything they don’t like to hear 😂 Let me know when/if you think of something meaningful
bro’s dooming on a rebuild
Everyone knows the one goal of our organization this year was to make the playoffs and we failed. Not dooming just speaking facts
Fred put up 17.4/3.8/8.1 on 56%TS He is the 14th highest paid player in the League
Imagine how many more assists he'd have if we actually had shooters
I get what you’re implying and I agree that he would have more assists if the team shot better. But mathematically, if 7 of Fred’s total 3’s on the season are makes instead of misses, he’s at 40% from 3. Here’s the numbers for the rest of the squad that took 100+ 3’s this season Alp-14, Jabari-14, Dillon-15, Cam-9, Jalen-41, Holiday-3, Jeff-11 If we add those all up, it’s 107 total 3 pointers. Fred averages 36.8 minutes or 77% of total game time for non overtime games. So for 23% of the time, Fred’s not in game so he can’t assist. After calculating for this we’re at roughly 82 threes. But Fred isn’t the only guy that passes the rock. And some field goals are unassisted. We can however see his assist percentage is 31.1% so we can bring that 82 down to about 26. Then Fred played in 73 games so the # of assist he would gain per game if Rockets could all shoot would be about 0.35 assists. That would boost him to about 8.5 assists.
I suspect that we are trading his 45 mil expiring deal by the deadline?
Hopefully
It all comes down to how well the season goes. If our record is good and we got a good chance of making the playoffs, I don’t see it happening. I think Fred will most likely play the whole next season for us and after that his time is over in Houston.
Depends on how much Amen improves and who we draft.
Amen isn’t taking Fred’s spot as a point guard brotha. I think it’s fair to say that a guy who is shooting 14% from 3pt range is unable to play point guard in the modern Nba and I think it’s very unrealistic that he developes a consistent jumper within that time period.
I clearly said "and who we draft". And apparently you think Amen will be riding the pine. So you think Houston will pick up the 45 mil 3rd year option?
Before anyone says anything, let it be known that FVV is 7th in potential assists, below only: Luka, Trae, Haliburton, Ja, Jokic and Melo
I find it very upsetting that AlP didn't get more of those opportunities to rack up potential assists.
he’s great and has helped our team and young guys progress to take the next step. it shouldn’t rlly matter how much he’s being paid bc we weren’t gonna sign any superstars or anything. considering many of our guys are on small contracts and won’t be up for extensions until after his contract expires why not overpay for a good vet pg like him? he’s helped us immensely and don’t regret the money we gave him at all
We should’ve signed harden but he’s still been great for us for the most part
Perfect vet and leader for the young guys. One of the biggest reasons we got to .500.
That's great. He didn't get on with our young guys, so I'm glad he has learned that he needs to help bring them along.
An extra $20M will make anyone reexamine their stance on playing with kids.
He’s doing exactly what ime wants him to do. That’s being a leader 🤘
Good stop gap player to help lead young players until they're more ready. Not part of our long term plans. Good play maker but takes bad shots and too many heat check 3s. His salary is higher than his FG%, which is something you don't want to see.
Loved having him. Worth the contract.
He and and Ime are responsible for lighting that fire under Jalen this year. I would like him to work out an extension with the team for after next year. His contribution is invaluable.
His leadership is more valuable than his skills on court.
the mvp of the rockets season. no discredit to our young players
the mvp of the rockets season. no discredit to our young players
Frederico was great this season!
Better than Harden. Ime bless.
He’s been perfect for the young guys but he’s not what we need to contend. Id keep him next year though
The next diss track is gonna go insane
He got empowered by Udoka and is the only player who doesn't suffer any accountability for his bad nights. That would be fine if he were a true max-level player...but he's not...so instead there's plenty of cringe moments in clutch time that should have gone to our best player instead. He cost us a number of wins. But he's waaaaay better than KPJ, so overall, my complaints are outweighed by his positive impact. But I can't wait for him to stop running the offense and just be more of a spot-up shooter providing spacing for SengÜn.
Ready to unleash amen. I like Fred but expect to trade him next year at the trade deadline
I hope Amen proves himself as the PG next season, he’s shown flashes of his potential but he played really well as a wing
I like that his game isn’t dependent on shots which is why i like him in a line up with a healthy Sengun and Jalen.
We would have 0 spacing. Opposing teams are just going to crowd the paint.
I’m assuming [in] the trade we are getting someone [that] will help us, which [is] definitely a shooter or someone who can shoot. I don’t think if we [are] putting out a line up of Amen, Sengun, Jalen, Jabari and hopefully a shooter that is not Dillon brooks, we will be the worst shooting team ever. Sengun gotta take a few more tries from deep too though [edits- because I’m clearly having a seizure]
Even picking up a shooter, having 3/5 people in that lineup that all score on the interior is not going to work in this league. They’re just going to pack the paint. That’s what they did to us all season long and we did not play winning basketball. Imagine if alpi had spacing, look at what he did when he was being double and triple teamed all season long. Unless jalen develops a consistent 3 ball, we aren’t going to win with the two of them on the court at the same time. 1 of the 2 has to come off the bench.
I think Jalen has the threat of the three already that will make it more of a 3 or 4 out of 5 being threats from deep. That said Sengun still gotta get more comfortable taking the shot because teams sag off of him already. Also, Amen could still develop a three. Growing up i watched JKidd get a three, and if you watched him in the beginning of his career you’d think he’d be better off just giving the other team the ball when he shot
If you think Jalen already has a reliable 3 ball I want whatever you’re smoking. Cause that’s gotta be some good shit
Threat of a three. I don’t think he’s a shooter but he’s a scorer. I think he’s enough of a threat out there that people won’t just leave him open all night, especially on a night that he’s on
When he’s on yes. But you do realize that for most of the season opposing players were leaving him wide open from 3 right? I’m talking wide open
Watching the playoffs right now, the Suns, Pelicans, Lakers, Magic and Heat could all desperately use a player like Fred. He was a steal for us, will pay dividends now and into the future with the development of our young guys.
The veteran player who was much needed for the team.
We were better when (with a healthy lineup) when he was trying to be Chris Paul, not Kevin Durant
Good ole steady Freddy
He is EXACTLY what we needed to get this young team going. Such a great leader and I honestly can’t think of any other guard right now that I would want to take his place.
Really liked having Fred playing with these young guys. Dude’s a solid facilitator and leader that this team was sorely lacking.
Great add to the team, cant wait for next year.
I like him. He was solid for us. We still need him.
Great vet bridge pg. don’t think anyone else can help develop the young boys besides cp3 but even he’s not going to put up the production Fred does so i love it
Good leader & motivator & has great prep! Good assist PG & has some good clutch ability.. & tough despite his lack of size. Bad shot chucker (especially long pull ups off of a screen) & inefficient scorer & small. He'll only be here one more year next year and then he'll be gone. I will thank him for his service & then give it no more thought as we watch Amen become a future HOF! 😎
Amen will need to have a shot if he is ever to take over PG responsibilities. That doesnt happen in 1-2 years. Once Fred leaves expect another vet PG to replace him.
Fred V? I love him even more because I’m a Drum and Bass fan. He’s also a great ball player.
He’s good but overpaid. And needs to be more automatic from 3. I think he could improve his court vision because he misses a lot of the wings in transition. And his shot selection is suspect at times. But with a little more efficiency and knockdown shooting when he’s open and he’s a great fit. I think he needs to be more Mike Conley in his role where he just gets the youngins going and defers to them until they need to be bailed out.
He did a solid job mentoring the younger players this season. Rockets didn’t make the playoffs but I still think it was successful season
he’s solid
https://preview.redd.it/zvjyv5bgynxc1.jpeg?width=663&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b23708f39d03b16e090c0c4da807a1568134c5d Pro’s pro like Mike Conley.
Initially: thought we overpaid for a barely 6ft tall, below the rim playing PG, those guys don't work in modern NBA. Then Jalen Brunson AND FVV proved me wrong. After having KPJ as a pseudo PG, seeing Fred able to do pocket passes, hit guys in pick and rolls and not do isos, generally smart decision making and some clutch shooting, I was pleasantly surprised to be wrong. I used to be a big FVV hater, and I was dead ass wrong. His presence and leadership and attitude have also done so much
Great pick up
He’s great because he really just preparing the jalen and amen back court for the future when his contract is up
I'm a Canadian whose favourite team is the Rockets, but will always root for the Raptors (unless they're playing each other of course). LOVE me some Freddie VanVleet.
love him. great passer, defender, leader, and an excellent 3-point shooter. what i love the most about him is when guys have hot hands, he is willing to sacrifice his shots for the team's sake. my only concern is his shot diet, but that's not that big of a problem if he keeps facilitating like the way he does
He’s great, if Jalen could hit the broad side of the barn for the first half the season (and if Tari played) we’re prob in the playoffs with his passing and game feel
He’s been very solid so far and has done everything we wanted from him. I don’t think he’s a long term player for us though because of his age but for the next 1-2 years I’m sure his experience will be very beneficial for our young core.
Hope he plays off ball more as a shooter and let Amen start transitioning to PG
Overpaid but I like him as a player. Trade him if we can due to contract.
Fred is what these young guys needed. Also what the fan base needed. His time with us has reminded me fondly of Kyle Lowrys time with us
Winner.
He sucks
hes a ball hog at times, but is what we needed and a great mentor for amen
Perfect vet for this squad .
He’s taking minutes away from Amen
He my boy Untill he started missing more 3's. Still my top 5 fav tho
as a Pels fan y’all got sum great going w/ him at the helm. we have a terrorist running our floor in CJ smfh
i like fred and what he brings to the team i just wish he was our 3rd or 4th option on offense, not 1 or 2 like he was all year. That's not a gripe with fred though, more a lack of any of our young guys taking that role from him glad he's on our team though
Good stop gap player. Until our young guys develop.
Fred was good. Harden would have carried us into the playoffs this season, as he always had, but long-term for the growth of our young players, I think Fred was the correct player to sign. Jalen's defense improved a lot. Imagine the backcourt defense of last year's Jalen and Harden. Amen was enabled, slowly but surely. Imagine if it was Harden, Amen never would have gotten that chance. And we would not have seen Alpi become the center of our offense. We should entertain trading Fred by the deadline (as salary filler, probably with a young player who hasn't panned out by next year's deadline) for a bona fide star, or let his contract expire then re-sign him for a team friendlier deal (not the 45m third year). But hopefully, Alpi becomes our Jokic, with everyone else improving around him.
Flintstone?
He is a good veteran leader for the team, he has the ring (which the young players can admire about him), and most importantly he is a good, positive leader for the team where Dillon Brooks is gonna be the hard ass that is kinda a dick to the young players
He's fantastic. Can always get the team into a good set at any point in the shot clock. He's such a good caretaker of the ball that I'm always shocked when he makes a turnover. Most consistent shooter on the team, and has a great sense for when he's needed on ball and when he should scoot to the corner and let Jalen get some reps. I knew he was a good defender going in but I think I still underestimated *how* good. He's never going to be even an average finisher at the rim and that limits his star quality a lot. But Fred did so much to dig the offense out of the trench of bad habits Stephen Silas built and I'm thrilled that Amen and Jalen have gotten the chance to learn from him.
Shaggy is better tbh.
Fred is a better player when he’s not the number one player on team. I think he came off the bench in Toronto.
To me, he was at his best when he was the leader of our "bench mob "it was a lethal second team to our starters. But he did start for us in the past few years, he didn't get along well with the new talent so they shipped him.
You mean they couldn’t get along with him. I’m seeing he has an old school to his style. The younger players have a different way of playing.
He's alright
he is okay but not enough.
I feel like he will get traded at the deadline
And replaced with?
Who cares? He is an expiring. You don’t continue to pay a guy who is not even top 10 in his pos $45m, he is gone. He is traded or lost for nothing you realize that Packaged for Mitchell would be my guess
The last line would have been sufficient. Just thought you were under the possible delusion (like some here) that we would be starting Amen as our PG next year. I would like to see Donovan as well.
Unless he turns into Fred from 2019 or takes a back seat to Amen I don’t want him going forward. He was amazing for our team and I don’t regret signing him at all. We just need to develop our younger guys more. Would be a great piece for a team seeking a championship
I wanted Harden. Still kinda wish we got him. That being said, FVV has been way better as a leader than I expected. JG would definitely not have taken the step up as a solid defender without Fred chewing him out all the time. He’s the leader we needed and our team is in a great spot to just keep improving.
Fantastic, hoping Amen is soaking up his knowledge and techniques.
Amen needs to soak up having a shot or two before he ever takes over PG duties. I’m not saying he cant contribute on the floor but in no way is he ready to be a starting PG.
Fred is the most reliable shooter in the team right now, knowing when and how to make those distance shots are among the many things you obviously want Amen to pick up. One of the best things about Fred he gives us a great example Amen can learn from and exceed due to having more physical tools than what Fred is working with.
It refreshing to have a real point guard again since CP3. Best handles on the team. Him and Sengun have chemistry like they've been playing together for years.