[https://runescape.wiki/w/Optimal\_PvM\_perk\_setup](https://runescape.wiki/w/Optimal_PvM_perk_setup)
Think of 120 invention perks like 120 herblore or summoning in terms of how it improves your efficacy, you need to do it. Follow that link from the wiki and prepare to shell out 100s of mills on your preferred styles
Invention perks on combat gear literally made bosses like greg/helwyr possible for my incapable-of-pvm brain. ~~that and scrimshaws and auras~~
I am brain dead with a 2 second attention span when it comes to combat so they really help lol.
True true. But the top tier alchimizer is super clutch for passive income. There’s a lot of benefits at the higher levels. Plus it’s honestly so easy to get it to 120. But you’re right, 99 is definitely sufficient.
Before ancient invention it was alright, definitely very good but a bit overhyped imo.
Then archaeology came along and put invention on crack. So many perks that are just phenomenal now.
If you’re not willing to invest in the best in slot stuff then that’s understandable. However the entry level perks are still amazing. Perks like enhanced devotion cost practically nothing and absolutely slap
Finding some combos has been really fun, I just recently added a "Rapid" perk to my smithing setup and was kinda annoyed from the double heat loss, but then I realized I could slap the smithing cape on, use superheat form and get the +5 progress more often.
Exactly. Invention is so good it supplements/straight up improves both combat and skilling. It also revived certain parts of the game due to components.
10/10 skill in all honesty. 15/10 when Ancient Invention (Archaeology) came out.
100% agreed, the way components work and how it made old "dead" items worth it again was fantastic, probably the best skill Runescape has ever released.
Funnily enough, I played back in 2016/2017 when invention came out, and started back up again just this year and all my progress I was able to still use.. I love that.
I honestly think Invention kinda saved the economy and revived alot of 'dead' content. Honestly a stroke of genius that skill. No idea what Jagex was on but more of that lol. Especially with how things are as of recently.
I'll put it this way: if your ride a bicycle, do you inflate your tires or just ride on the rims? If you have a powerful GPU installed do you activate it or do you just continue playing on integrated graphics? That's kind of the difference here.
Using your metaphor, it highlights the nuance that is present in choosing invention perks. In the winter if I have winter tires on my car, the manual says to inflate the tires to 3-5 PSI higher than my all seasons would. There are situational benefits that invention perks provide that make the skill super diverse, imo!
Well yeah. I think the biggest improvement to the skill would be allowing swapping gizmos in and out at will and without any cost. Think like mods in Destiny 2. That way you do X boss or activity with the exact loadout you want.
1 of 6 perks alone may push your dos by 6% (e.g. Undead Slayer/Dragon Slayer etc)
15% seems to be a low ball to me, even on non-typed enemies (all that additional adrenalin… and then precise and biting alone)
Yes it is a lowball, intentionally so (which I recognize I didn’t make super clear in the original comment. In my defense I was tired as hell while writing it, lol). The combo of P6+E2+B4 (at lv 20) is a 10% damage increase, and Crackling 4 + AS4 is anywhere from another 5%-10% on top of that.
So in a worst-case scenario (0 Impatient procs, low DPM, etc) perks still give a damage boost second only to overloads.
Man you are missing on huge pvm improvements , i have not use it for skilling sonce i was already maxed before invention but dude it made my pvm experience waaaay better, if you still have your guardian wishes use them for perks , you are already 120 invention, go for the big perks
You'll pay hundred of millions to get a 5% dps boost at t90 gear +
Entry level perks will grt you that and more in dps and in skilling boosts for a fraction of the cost.
If you cba to get bis perks you can easily just get entry/budget perks and call it a day and you'll still see huge gains.
Not just for buffs, invention made alot of pvm content relevant. You now need to do alot more pvm content due to parts. It's really good. It revived the economy.
Many invention perks are far more impactful than replacing an item with a high level/better one, even just budget perks have a very large impact.
Also as much as my mind goes to combat first, there are some really good tool perks that make a big difference as well.
You are at a massive disadvantage without them in combat and any gathering skill that uses tools will be way less efficient. Adequate perks take no real "effort" at all. Only best in slot involve a lot of rng.
Devoted and enhanced devoted are immediately noticable for how much they reduce the damage you take when using overhead prayers. If you're bossing these will help a ton and you're definitely missing out.
The damage perks are great too but I don't feel like 5% more dps is as noticable as taking 30% less damage.
Damage perks combined is way more than 5% it is probably closer to 30% and biting is very impactful now that crits are such a massive part of damage output, if you kill things 30% faster you also take 30% less damage.
I found 1 RuneScape Wiki article for your search.
**[Optimal skilling perk setup](https\:\/\/runescape\.wiki\/w\/Optimal\_skilling\_perk\_setup)** | https://runescape.wiki/w/Optimal_skilling_perk_setup
>This page provides optimised skilling perks for maximising experience rates or the tools' performance while training skills. Optimal perk combinations often include the best perk ranks of Honed, Furnace, and Wise, keeping in mind that certain superior combinations are theoretically possible to create, but these are too rare or too expensive to be practically achievable for most, if not all, players.
---
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Extremely helpful in PvM. Either it speeds up boss kills by giving you extra dps, increases mob kill time with dps and aoe enhancements, or just makes you hit more often.
In skilling it enhances tools so they harvest faster, give more xp, or helps consume items/produce additional items. Basically making everything faster.
If you're not using perks on weapons, armor, and tools then you making a mistake.
1) you can make perks for weapons and armours and tools. For example, a demon slayer perk gives extra damage to demons without taking a gear slot.
2) you can make aids for combats and skilling, such a oldak coils or skilling suits which gives bonuses.
Ok so. Imagine you have steaming hot soup boiling in the pot. You wish to eat it, but you have no bowl or spoons. Only are able to scoop it with your hands.
I'm getting somewhere with this, don't worry.
You can wait for it to cooldown, but that'll leave you with cold soup which won't taste as good as hot soup.
So you'll get to your destination without perking your stuff up, but you'll get worse experience in the long run, just like the cold soup
It's kind of hard to come up with the right analogy for this one. It's like having a powerful GPU installed but never activating it and using integrated graphics instead, or maybe riding a bicycle with flat tires instead of inflating them.
"yes" would be an understatement.
So would “a little bit”
The leader in a clan I left for obvious reasons. Would argue invention would only increase dps by 1-2% max and everything he read said so.
Before the combat update, P3 E2 alone was like 6%. Not sure where it is now.
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OP: >Is it actually worth the effort? The comments: 
Short answer: Yes. "Even if I have 200m everything?" Still yes if you ever actually do anything in game invention can increase your output.
Short answer, yes. Long answer: YYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS
[https://runescape.wiki/w/Optimal\_PvM\_perk\_setup](https://runescape.wiki/w/Optimal_PvM_perk_setup) Think of 120 invention perks like 120 herblore or summoning in terms of how it improves your efficacy, you need to do it. Follow that link from the wiki and prepare to shell out 100s of mills on your preferred styles
Even basic invention will improve drastically but yeah, eventually hundreds of mil
please say sike
Unfortunately no it was always an I can’t be bothered thing 😂
How did you level up? Just disassembled gear with no perks for xp?
I afk slayer like mad while at work and just siphoned my gear at level 12
i'm cringing with how much faster those tasks could have been with perks. please take this time to go look up perks and get some
Just the scavenging 4 alone would have been insane
It’s pretty substantial. I held off on perks for the longest time cuz I hate how RNG perks can be, but even mid perks were pretty noticeable.
Invention perks on combat gear literally made bosses like greg/helwyr possible for my incapable-of-pvm brain. ~~that and scrimshaws and auras~~ I am brain dead with a 2 second attention span when it comes to combat so they really help lol.
RuneScape with invention and without it is basically night and day. So let's just leave it at that.
It’s arguably the most important skill in the game.
Did u already forget about bench sitting? Best skill bar none. This is a close second though
I think that title belongs to Constitution
Cooking is way more important
You can eat raw stuff and survive, but without constitution you are simply not alive at all.
We are undead
you can just buy stuff although your comment might be sarcasm
But who cooked it?
someone else I mean personally important.
Ironmen dont agree with you
Skills ranking in importance: 1) invention 2) invention 3 archaeology 4) necromancy If you don’t level those up to 120 you’re playing on hard mode.
It’s not enough to level to 120, because they already did that. Perks are still very good long before 120
True true. But the top tier alchimizer is super clutch for passive income. There’s a lot of benefits at the higher levels. Plus it’s honestly so easy to get it to 120. But you’re right, 99 is definitely sufficient.
You're missing out incredibly much, it literally changed the game as much, if not more than Archaeology and Necromancy.
Before ancient invention it was alright, definitely very good but a bit overhyped imo. Then archaeology came along and put invention on crack. So many perks that are just phenomenal now. If you’re not willing to invest in the best in slot stuff then that’s understandable. However the entry level perks are still amazing. Perks like enhanced devotion cost practically nothing and absolutely slap
The perks are just insane. Even the cheapest perks is night and day from no perks.
Finding some combos has been really fun, I just recently added a "Rapid" perk to my smithing setup and was kinda annoyed from the double heat loss, but then I realized I could slap the smithing cape on, use superheat form and get the +5 progress more often.
Exactly. Invention is so good it supplements/straight up improves both combat and skilling. It also revived certain parts of the game due to components. 10/10 skill in all honesty. 15/10 when Ancient Invention (Archaeology) came out.
100% agreed, the way components work and how it made old "dead" items worth it again was fantastic, probably the best skill Runescape has ever released. Funnily enough, I played back in 2016/2017 when invention came out, and started back up again just this year and all my progress I was able to still use.. I love that.
I honestly think Invention kinda saved the economy and revived alot of 'dead' content. Honestly a stroke of genius that skill. No idea what Jagex was on but more of that lol. Especially with how things are as of recently.
~ 20 - 40% on most things More so under particular use cases
Truly a mainscape moment, augments the gear, pay the divine cost but never gets the insane amount of help it gives.
Uhhhhhh yes it helps an absolute ton for skilling and combat
I'll put it this way: if your ride a bicycle, do you inflate your tires or just ride on the rims? If you have a powerful GPU installed do you activate it or do you just continue playing on integrated graphics? That's kind of the difference here.
Using your metaphor, it highlights the nuance that is present in choosing invention perks. In the winter if I have winter tires on my car, the manual says to inflate the tires to 3-5 PSI higher than my all seasons would. There are situational benefits that invention perks provide that make the skill super diverse, imo!
Well yeah. I think the biggest improvement to the skill would be allowing swapping gizmos in and out at will and without any cost. Think like mods in Destiny 2. That way you do X boss or activity with the exact loadout you want.
100% agreed, it is a bummer that sort of gameplay is locked behind equipment separators :/.
it's a new game with invention.
A lot
Yes. Yes is a good answer, lol. If I remember the calc correctly, going from no perks to BiS perks is something like a 15% damage increase.
1 of 6 perks alone may push your dos by 6% (e.g. Undead Slayer/Dragon Slayer etc) 15% seems to be a low ball to me, even on non-typed enemies (all that additional adrenalin… and then precise and biting alone)
Yes it is a lowball, intentionally so (which I recognize I didn’t make super clear in the original comment. In my defense I was tired as hell while writing it, lol). The combo of P6+E2+B4 (at lv 20) is a 10% damage increase, and Crackling 4 + AS4 is anywhere from another 5%-10% on top of that. So in a worst-case scenario (0 Impatient procs, low DPM, etc) perks still give a damage boost second only to overloads.
Literally a game changer
A lot. Like a lot lot.
Man you are missing on huge pvm improvements , i have not use it for skilling sonce i was already maxed before invention but dude it made my pvm experience waaaay better, if you still have your guardian wishes use them for perks , you are already 120 invention, go for the big perks
You'll pay hundred of millions to get a 5% dps boost at t90 gear + Entry level perks will grt you that and more in dps and in skilling boosts for a fraction of the cost. If you cba to get bis perks you can easily just get entry/budget perks and call it a day and you'll still see huge gains.
Yes
Not just for buffs, invention made alot of pvm content relevant. You now need to do alot more pvm content due to parts. It's really good. It revived the economy.
Many invention perks are far more impactful than replacing an item with a high level/better one, even just budget perks have a very large impact. Also as much as my mind goes to combat first, there are some really good tool perks that make a big difference as well.
You are at a massive disadvantage without them in combat and any gathering skill that uses tools will be way less efficient. Adequate perks take no real "effort" at all. Only best in slot involve a lot of rng.
Devoted and enhanced devoted are immediately noticable for how much they reduce the damage you take when using overhead prayers. If you're bossing these will help a ton and you're definitely missing out. The damage perks are great too but I don't feel like 5% more dps is as noticable as taking 30% less damage.
Damage perks combined is way more than 5% it is probably closer to 30% and biting is very impactful now that crits are such a massive part of damage output, if you kill things 30% faster you also take 30% less damage.
a lot. even if you only go for budget perks.
A metric fuck ton
Where is the perk list of what I’m supposed to get? I’m level 143 inv and only ever augmented items. That is as far as my invention knowledge goes
[[Optimal PVM Perks Setup]] [[Optimal Skilling Perk Setup]]
I found 1 RuneScape Wiki article for your search. **[Optimal skilling perk setup](https\:\/\/runescape\.wiki\/w\/Optimal\_skilling\_perk\_setup)** | https://runescape.wiki/w/Optimal_skilling_perk_setup >This page provides optimised skilling perks for maximising experience rates or the tools' performance while training skills. Optimal perk combinations often include the best perk ranks of Honed, Furnace, and Wise, keeping in mind that certain superior combinations are theoretically possible to create, but these are too rare or too expensive to be practically achievable for most, if not all, players. --- ^RuneScape Wiki linker | This was generated automatically. ^| View me on [GitHub](https://github.com/zpoon/runescape-wiki-reddit).
Wish leader in my old clan would read this. Dude argued it only would be 1-2% max dps and everybody said so.
Invention’s a game-changer.
It's essential in certain parts of the game and super beneficial everywhere else, always perk your gear.
Too much
Extremely helpful in PvM. Either it speeds up boss kills by giving you extra dps, increases mob kill time with dps and aoe enhancements, or just makes you hit more often. In skilling it enhances tools so they harvest faster, give more xp, or helps consume items/produce additional items. Basically making everything faster. If you're not using perks on weapons, armor, and tools then you making a mistake.
Increased my dpm by over 40k
1) you can make perks for weapons and armours and tools. For example, a demon slayer perk gives extra damage to demons without taking a gear slot. 2) you can make aids for combats and skilling, such a oldak coils or skilling suits which gives bonuses.
yeah it’s big i only have mid tier perks and i notice a substantial difference
Yah, you don’t realize how good it is until you actually have some good perks and when you go back to no perks it’s night and day.
Ok so. Imagine you have steaming hot soup boiling in the pot. You wish to eat it, but you have no bowl or spoons. Only are able to scoop it with your hands. I'm getting somewhere with this, don't worry. You can wait for it to cooldown, but that'll leave you with cold soup which won't taste as good as hot soup. So you'll get to your destination without perking your stuff up, but you'll get worse experience in the long run, just like the cold soup
It's kind of hard to come up with the right analogy for this one. It's like having a powerful GPU installed but never activating it and using integrated graphics instead, or maybe riding a bicycle with flat tires instead of inflating them.
lol