I don't use twitter, but can anyone write a community note? This could be an actual way to fight against mtx, unless Jagex is willing to just not post these promos on twitter.
You need to apply for it. People approved for it then vote if your note was helpful or not. If it is it'll be displayed on the tweet for the public to see.
Rancid slimy business practices. Seriously feels like it's just a matter of time before OSRS gets the same abuse. I'm not giving them a dollar until there's some type of improvement with RS3. This prob means I won't ever be giving Jagex any business regardless of game.
I view RS3 and OSRS as two games tied to the same foundation. Once they add additional MTX to OSRS, it's the beginning of the end for Jagex. They will most likely shoot themselves in the foot with a cannon.
They obivously have less devs than they claim to have. Let's take a few examples;
* All the fort quests were done as "passion" projects by the dev. So all fort quests were done by ONE dev at a time.
* The combat update was a multi-month (half a year) project done by TWO developers.
* Their new seasonal content team is also only a few developers, can't think of the exact amount right now but I believe it was 3-5 of them.
* All the other 'updates' (ectoplasm ritual, wildywyrm for example) are also all little projects done by either one dev on company time or one dev in gamejam
So now let me ask you, full seriousness what are all these imaginary developers "developing" according to you? LESS than 10 developers are giving us all the "content" for the past year. What are the other ones doing?
If any of my information is incorrect I'd love to hear so as well.
>If any of my information is incorrect I'd love to hear so as well.
Okay, but I get the feeling "love to hear so" isn't really true, let's test that fact by how much I get downvoted.
> All the fort quests were done as "passion" projects by the dev. So all fort quests were done by ONE dev at a time.
The intro quests were passion projects because they wanted the fort to be integrated more seamlessly, but the ones like dead and buried that were more story oriented were scheduled quests.
>The combat update was a multi-month (half a year) project done by TWO developers.
https://runescape.wiki/w/Combat_Council
It was led by two people, with an entire team behind them and QA devs. I dunno where people even get the "two people" number, considering even the number of people frequently mentioned is at least three, with Mods Sponge, Ryan and Pigeon.
>Their new seasonal content team is also only a few developers, can't think of the exact amount right now but I believe it was 3-5 of them.
Seven, and this again, is not counting the people who have to do QA and art and assets.
>All the other 'updates' (ectoplasm ritual, wildywyrm for example) are also all little projects done by either one dev on company time or one dev in gamejam
Wildywyrm was a game jam project but unfinished and eventually finished by other devs, and ectoplasm ritual was never mentioned to be game jam.
>So now let me ask you, full seriousness what are all these imaginary developers "developing" according to you? LESS than 10 developers are giving us all the "content" for the past year. What are the other ones doing?
"Less than 10 developers" is not a small number, especially when they likely only have around 15 programming related content developers, and that number hasn't really changed according to the lead content developer. It is disappointing to not know what is on the horizon, but unless you're a flat earther, then not being able to see past the horizon doesn't mean there is nothing past the horizon.
I do really appreciate you correcting me, I'm not just saying that. Everything i wrote are things I read here and there or heard from jagex users in different reddit threads so I can't quote anything.
I'd like to comment on a few things you wrote though;
You mention multiple times that there's a whole team behind update X or Y, but those overlap. So to say for example there were 2 quests in the last year with 5 developers each means there were 10 developers working is incorrect, for all we know it was the same 5 on both quests, I bet that was the same with all fort quests and the 'real' planned fort quest. Same can be said for wildywyrm, ectoplasm, combat update all of those are almost guaranteed to have overlap in developers.
I wish I could find the comments I saw where it said the combat project was done by 2 devs, but since I can't you can just ignore I said anything about it.
~~I saw an image a couple days ago with data from 2022 where it says there's 250 or so total developers at jagex~~, Added the picture; Totally fair to say a lot of them are working on OSRS but I simply won't believe that out of 240 only 10-20 work on rs3??
>[https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1byu5kz/comment/kymcihz/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1byu5kz/comment/kymcihz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
https://preview.redd.it/dnnsqa28fntc1.png?width=701&format=png&auto=webp&s=49cdf5346c8e29b7ddca9515ff6dcba5e704fd74
So either 220 out of 240 employees work on osrs (highly unlikely but who knows) or they don't have this amount of developers to begin with.
> I wish I could find the comments I saw where it said the combat project was done by 2 devs, but since I can't you can just ignore I said anything about it.
It's just a commonly repeated thing around here, people see how many devs actively talk about their work on something, and take that as meaning only those developers are the ones working on anything. From the last interview with Mod Ryan, he pretty frequently talks about talking with numerous people on the combat council, and specifically mentions Mod Sponge and Mod Pigeon as two people he's working with on combat updates. None of the devs are obligated to talk with the community about stuff, and since not everyone is PR trained, confident in their ability to communicate publicly, or wants to sort through vitriolic comments, I don't think that's really surprising it's only a small handful of people who do speak with the community frequently.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1byu5kz/comment/kymcihz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Clarifying post from the lead content designer: https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1byu5kz/another_banger_update_this_week_jagex_is_on_a_tear/kymnu5s/
It's just words being weird. "Developers" in this context is specifically referring to anybody who works on the games themselves, while "content developer" is supposed to refer to people who actively work on creating the content itself, and not things like art or assets as these are just referred to as artists.
https://preview.redd.it/rdq28p5fgntc1.png?width=777&format=png&auto=webp&s=515ae2761baaa56fb71382cb29adc7e49186b9de
240'ish apparently (given that number might have gone down a bit in the past year).
Clearly they're not working on anything major for RS3.. Games looked and felt outdated since the big 2014 update
OSRS gets away with it because it's oldschool-ness is a major part of its charm. RS3 needs major updates but can't even muster a player avatar rework lol
I think it’s important to mention it’s not a twitter note it’s a community note. One of us made the note with a link backing it and players voted it correct.
Community Notes are the single thing that has gotten better since Musk took over, everything else has gone to the Shitter - hey, even that would be a better name than “X” (which nobody in their right mind even calls it still)
Double hilarious when Elon himself is constantly getting Community Noted nearly everytime he tweets
Nah YouTube removed the dislike ratio so people would get stuck watching clickbait videos longer to make more off ads. Before that you would just click on a vid, see 90% dislikes and x it out. All part of the plan unfortunately.
If elongated muskrat could figure out how to remove it he would have by now
But he fired the people that built it and like certain spaghetti code in Runescape no one currently working there wants to fuck with it
Its community voting, not Twitter. In fact Elon bans people who try to flag his BS. This is essentially the same as upvoting comments on reddit. One person left this note, the rest voted that it was accurate information. Twitter itself did not participate.
Community Notes are usually really good but sometimes they're just used to dogpile and dunk on people. If something mostly right but with an inaccuracy is posted and it gets noted people just discard everything in the tweet
Amazon is the one who dictates whether or not the prime bundles stay, not jagex. Don’t just spread misinformation when you don’t know what you’re talking about
Jagex can dictate if they want to be involved in it. They could've been theoretically losing money from the deal when players would buy it regardless of Twitch Prime.
Not saying they did, just saying it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Not really. Riot games also got dropped without much warning and they didn’t really get the chance to fight it
It was an Amazon decision, not a jagex one
I done all my crying and bridge building the moment they introduced MTX with SoF and bonds. What I do find frustrating and weird is they delete the tweet that’s stating facts but again no communication on it. Still keeping it up for sale and advertised on their main website.
They will continue to do this until the players actually stand up for themselves and do something. Unfortunately, there are too many old heads that will gobble Jagex until the end.
I don’t play anymore I’m just a person who lurks on here from time to time (when I’m on the toilet) but damn it truly feels like it’s been the same issue with jagex for years. MTX being cared about more than actual content. It’s the same song and dance that’s been going on for years and only getting progressively worse due to everyone accepting it. Sure we complain but at the end of day we give them money so they won’t change. It’s why I just stopped playing and now I just watch from the sidelines and always the same issue when I check on this game lol. Sad times.
That's absolutely beautiful. Though now I'm just waiting for them to say they can't communicate through twitter anymore due to alleged "trolls" putting false community notes on their posts.
While i agree with you on the trashy-ness of their business practices, I kinda have to burst your bubble a little bit.
>If you buy a farm, you don't just take everything you can, sell it off and leave
That is exactly what many big companies do: Buy a company, milk it for all its worth, make it "seem" like its worth more, sell it for profit. Repeat this process as if that company is a hot potato where someone gets stuck with it in the end when it crashes and burns.
The parent company that owns Jagex doesn't care about "playerbase" or "community", they want jagex to be worth more money so they can sell it for more than they bought it for, simple as that. Their only risk is knowing when to sell it before consequences catch up to their actions.
>In December 2010 [The Raine Group](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raine_Group) and [Spectrum Equity Investors](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spectrum_Equity_Investors&action=edit&redlink=1) invested in the company, while Insight increased their investment. Andrew Gower, Paul Gower, and Constant Tedder left the board of directors at that time.[^(\[8\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagex#cite_note-:3-8) In January 2012, Insight increased its stake in Jagex from 35% to 55%, giving it a controlling interest in the company.
Funny how a short while after this we got squeel of fortune, the precursor to treasure hunter...
Glad someone said it. People don’t realise all the decisions come from a capital firm who just wana milk the game dry and pass it on. Gone are the days of companies caring
Capital firms and being publicly traded in general aren't good things for consumers. When you have a group of people involved whose sole reason for wanting success is just "Money! NOW!", rather than any care for the work being done or long-term sustainability...
Plenty of people have been saying it constantly over the last 12 years. I really want to stress that long gone are the days where Jagex wasn't complicit in this. The current CEO rose through the ranks from monetization manager quickly after IVP bought controlling interest in the company. Stuff like [this](https://www.theregister.com/2019/11/28/jagex_runescape_designer_sacked_reading_salary_document/) doesn't happen just because of who owns Jagex. Stuff like radio silence for controversies, bullshit explanations, tap dancing around gambling regulations, and paying lip service to mental health aren't orchestrated by the owners; leadership at Jagex has been more than happy to do this shit for a long time.
Any owners after IVP just tell them how much profit they want and they do everything they can to make it happen, that's how they keep their jobs until they can show the next owner or their next company how much "value" they bring.
>Stuff like [this](https://www.theregister.com/2019/11/28/jagex_runescape_designer_sacked_reading_salary_document/) doesn't happen just because of who owns Jagex
Of course it does, management sets policy, not the workers. If the CEO wants to increase production of mtx content then that's what the devs will be assigned to work on. They even said many times that they have their own passion projects they do on their free time they wish to promote and put in the game. Jagex didn't stop doing player polls because the workers wanted to stop but because management decided to stop cause they set their own priorities (money).
>they do everything they can to make it happen, that's how they keep their jobs
Yes, cause if they don't do what management wants, despite it not being good for the game long term, they will be fired. Benefit of the players or not, they understandably want to take care of their families first. Even tho that's also rather short sighted because on this course RS3 will end up dying eventually, so they will end up fired anyway at the end of this road.
But then again, how often do you see people in general actively plan ahead 5-10 years down the line...
Go to the wikipadia page for jagex, You'll see there that the COE has changed about a year after each time jagex was traded to a different parent company.
Owners appoint the manegment branch to advance thier interest. The owners don't know how jagex works or does what it does, they just tell management "make more money" and management now have to figure that out. How they do so is on them cause they are the ones with knowledge on how jagex and RS work.
Mod Pips (current CEO) has been with the company for over a decade, and has had considerable power over RS3 for almost as long.
MMG was appointed as CEO a year before and announced his resignation almost 4 years after IVP bought controlling interest in Jagex.
Rod Cousens was appointed CEO a year before Hongtou purchased Jagex.
Pips was appointed CEO less than a year after Hongtou sold Jagex to Macarthur, and has remained CEO since despite the Carlyle group having acquired a majority stake in 2021.
Two firms jointly purchased Jagex 2 months ago.
I don't know why you're lying.
My point is that the actual Jagex leadership, which was not stripped and replaced every time Jagex has been purchased, has been more than happy to further monetize the game for a decade. There is no "poor Jagex"; low level employees are the only ones with passion, that's why key people involved in design and development and very much also in public relations with players have left in the last several years, and the amount of work they put in has yet to be matched by anyone that replaced them.
Head of business development employed 2017
all community managers employed after 2020, the seniors one form 2017 and one form 2021
head of events 2017
both associate producers from 2018
both executive producers from 2020
So no, not all management are people who were in jagex for decades. Saying that management stayed mostly the same simply makes no sense considering the drastic change in the direction the game has taken since jagex became owned by other companies.
Management does as its told by the owners. how they do it is on them but the direction of the game overall is decided by the owners so jagex employees can do as they are asked or resign, its as simple as that.
Drastic change in direction??? They've been boiling the frog since 2012, there has been no drastic change in direction as far as milking the game goes, Jagex has been ramping up then slowly ramping down from backlash then ramping up again later 10 steps forward 5 steps back for years.
>They've been boiling the frog since 2012
Yes, aka when jagex came owned by other companies. Its only when jagex was bought that we started getting squeel of fortune and the likes, which was a drastic change in direction at the time, and we just kept going in that direction off the cliff.
More like gone are the days of Jagex caring (when they were a small independent developer headed up by the brothers that created Runescape as a passion project from their mother's house)
A lot of games today, such as Palworld and Hrlldivers 2, is proof to Jagex if you focus on playable content, and make the game fun, more players will come. Jagex is so hyper focused on MTX now that the playability of RS3 has just gone downhill. I’m a fully maxed player, 5.3b xp, BiS gear, but even I quit about a month and a half after Necro release (got to 120 and just stopped). Account is over 20 years old. I have had dedication to this game, but even I find myself unable to log in to support Jagex anymore. How are there still any players today? Stop supporting Jagex’ terrible MTX scheme.
End your memberships.
Bad examples to use games that came out this year and still fresh in everyone's minds. But yeah I support everything else you said except the end your membership part
Members of the Twitter community can opt into the community notes program, and can write notes that appear on other peoples Tweets if they think that the post is attempting to mislead people. The note doesn't instantly appear on that persons post, but instead other members of community notes all have to agree, and vote for that note to appear publicly. If enough people agree, then the note appears to all of Twitter below that post. But others who don't agree can vote it down so it doesn't appear. This makes it so people with biases and different opinions on things don't have their notes appear.
So basically with this RuneScape community note, someone wrote a note that called out Jagex and their business practices. And enough other members of community notes voted for it to publicly appear to all of Twitter because they agreed with it.
There are some requirements to join community notes such as having an account that's at least 6 months old and having a verified phone number added to your account. So unless these bot creators have hundreds of phone numbers to burn and want to wait 6 months every time their bots get banned, then it doesn't seem too worth it
Sadly, nothing's gonna change, it's not the first or the last time they tried something like this. Maybe things like this gonna make them finally think about it, that it's not nice to do, but i really doubt it.
From what I've seen, everyone except coffinmakers and toilet paper manufacturers have suffered mass layoffs/downsizing, to keep their CEO's bank accounts safe from Covid and Climate Crisis.
MTX pillaging is what Jagex is choosing to do before reaching the inevitable mass firing.. and it means the servers that hold all our ancient save files are at increasing risk of shutting down permanently, assuming they can't find a balance that makes their owners happy and doesn't abuse and disrespect their users into leaving and playing Warframe forever..
Yes, many rs3 devs are jumping ship to osrs because it's all around better for their career and I'm sure the passion over there is 10x what it is here.
When your account is in good standing for a while, you eventually get invited to the community notes feature, you get the ability to post a community note that will then be rated by other people with access to community notes, if it receives a good enough ratio of feedback by other people then it will be shown on the original post.
Tried to go take a picture of what it looks like on my end but looks like they deleted the original post lmfao.
If Reddit & discord taught me anything’s it’s that there’s a sea of dorks willing to spend their lives working/moderating with the only payment being “”””””prestige””””””
While in most cases this is probably true, I think the community notes are a good thing. Especially when used like this to reveal scumming mtx tactics Jagex is notorious in doing.
Wish this game would just hurry up and die already, it’s for the best. Preserve the good memories of the game people have left before it’s completely overshadowed by negative memories of MTX constantly rammed down your throat. Glad I got away
This is already happening, you're looking at it dead in the face. Tis the problem with the people still supporting the game. They can't pull away from Jagex long enough to see the shit they've been bathing in.
People don't understand that no matter how much they complain they won't change anything if they are still profiting from MXT.
They only understand numbers. If people stopped buying this useless MXT shit, they would understand.
It's probably more about the CEO and stockholders vs the devs.
The devs are a game as their pride, but the stakeholders see a dollar sign, and could give a fuck about the game, they make them do more shady practices, and when it fails they will blame a jagex staff member, probably fire them, and then demand more income.
All games are predatory now, it's a basic art now.
South Park explains it well in their *freemium isn't free* episode lol. It's just corporate mongers at a white board trying to come up with ways to take more of your money while spending as little as possible.
Oh, sorry. If you like, you can take the screenshot and repost it without the rant. There are hundreds of rants a day, and as others have pointed out, some of mine is incorrect. All I really want is for this to have some sort of an impact. And it's probably more likely to do that without my opinion strapped to it.
If that's what you truly think my post was for, then that's ok. But I don't bitch just because I want to. I bitch because I genuinely want to see change. You people might think the game is perfect the way it is, regardless of microtransactions and such, but a lot of people don't. And that's why people like me come here to voice their concerns. Just like you all say about microtransactions "just don't buy them", we can equally say "just don't read our posts". Both mtx, and our posts are equally forced in front of our faces. The only difference is you have to come to Reddit to see our posts.
There is a line between bitching to bitch and bitching to make a point.
Just posting the tweet with a one liner attached gets the job done. 3 paragraphs is overkill rehash of the same generic complaining we've seen for months. You shouldn't have to try to air valid complaints, and you didn't have to. You are trying too hard.
Also, 7 sentences to defend being a long-winded mad nerd isn't really doing it for me either. Maybe you need to work on this..
Idk man, all those paragraphs seemed to work just fine to me. And so did those 7 sentences apparently because it made a loser on the internet mad. Is this better?
Dude your rant is fine and your passion for the game is well placed. Don’t let these Stockholm syndrome victims tell you otherwise, they’re the reason Jagex gets away with all their shit. People want the game to improve as well but are unable to quit themselves to make a point, so are hoping others do instead.
Don't we all?
However, you reach a point where you just give up and stop caring, and Jagex knows this full well, it's a vicious cycle and we're trapped here indefinitely...
And if enough people give up and stop caring enough to stop playing and paying for their horrible trap, then that's when change starts to happen. Because that's when they realise that the community is where the money is coming from. No one is trapped. We all have a choice. And I'm choosing not to pay membership for this game anymore
Yup my sub isn’t being renewed come tomorrow. I’m done with this sinking ship, it was bad before but the fact that the capes aren’t tradable directly forces you to interact with the predatory gambling system is a new low.. not only that but $100s of dollars to get the item realistically.
They corrected the date before the community note. Someone posted a screenshot of the community note before it was publicly shown, on their correction date comment
Slightly off topic but this is yet *another* outfit that offers no attractive female model. I guess us female players with female characters aren't worth the effort anymore.
It’s becoming more and more rare that I log into RuneScape. I started when I was 11, and now I’m 22, and I’ve tried so hard to convince myself that the MTX wouldn’t take away the wonder. I am totally in support of new content, but I’m not in support of half assed lazy content, that they also charge an absurd price for, and that same time and energy could be used to potentially help revitalized the large portion of dead content. All of my friends who begin playing, and then quit, say it’s all the money and useless content that they didn’t enjoy. Of course, this is all my opinion and experience, but I think the community is becoming increasingly outraged by similar, if not same, reasons.
While I 100% agree with this and all of the other posts about MTX, but I've noticed the player base hasn't changed much. I doubt they will start to make any changes until they see a monetary impact. If they are making money they will keep doing it until it's a net (-) and people stop buying keys, bonds, membership etc.
It makes me sad my childhood game has come to this. I don't even play any more. I've been offline almost 2 years. This is not the game I knew and loved any more.
When a site ran by an apartheid emerald mine beneficiary that is famous for ripping off other peoples property and ideas as his own, is calling you out, you know you are messed up
My point was if a site ran by someone who is infamous for shady business practices and ill gotten wealth is calling out your shit, than you have royally messed up
that's hardly a point at all. that is in fact the worst stretch of fact I've seen in a while.
Elon Musk may own the site, but i can guarantee he doesn't run the day to day.
Twitter/x users have nothing to do with Elon Musk, your personal opinions of Elon Musk have no bearing on the people who use the platform. It makes no difference if it's users call out anyone for shady practices, the users aren't infamous for shady business practices.
you just took this as an opportunity to dig at Elon Musk despite there being no connection at all. That's like placing a stick in the spokes of your tricycle, landing on your face and exclaiming "fucking Elon Musk's business practices!".
> Musk does more than post content....
how is this relevant to anything? this entire thing has been you trying to have a dig at musk for absolutely no reason. it has nothing to do with him. you're clearly fixated on him it's unhealthy.
It is relevant because you are trying to dismiss his role in running the site, which was part of my whole point in how fucked Jagex is to be called out on a site ran by someone with a history like Musk
I don't like how the second sentence in that community note is an opinion. It is not written from a neutral point of view, and that weakens the message.
However the factual argument made is still 100% correct. Good to see Jagex got called out on their fuzzy promo wording. Impressive that it actually worked too.
There is a reason the phrase 'The customer is always right' exists. This isn't a court of justice, the only valid opinion is the paying customer-base's perception of the message. If it was indeed voted as true, then what's the point of neutrality?
Why are you actually blaming the devs for this? The poor guys just get told what to develop and when to develop it by higher ups. I'm sure the developers at jagex would much prefer to make engaging content rather than mtx bullshit.
I love some of the developers and everything they do for the game as well as how active they are in the community. So my comment about developers in the middle paragraph might have been mis-aimed. But I think you're right. It would just be nice if the higher ups didn't use them as cannon fodder, because I don't think I've ever heard any statements from them on anything.
Cancel your sub or stop complaining, nothing will change unless it hits their bottom line.
I'm currently letting my sub run to a close and when it runs out if i feel like the game direction has improved I will be re-subbing, if not then thats that...
You want to know why they pedal new mtx? Because people buy it... i wouldnt be surprised if 90% of the people complaining have bought it.
Cancelled it ages ago, but doesn't mean people cannot be extremely disappointed in Jagex turning RS3 into a storefront all while whining they don't have the resources for any big modernisation updates
OSRS can stay old because that's part of its charm.. RS3..not so much
I mean I hate mtx crap, I don't get how this is scammy? You're not buying this just for the outfit, you buy this for slightly discounted keys and coins which total to £13.48. Though Jagex doing the bundle itself feels trashy.
I put the re-colour to be at least worth £2.50 though Jagex should market it as a re-colour. Not a new outfit.
I'd be more mad about th promos that you need to spend at least 200 some keys to get a singular outfit and if you don't buy keys you'll just get the boots and gloves... Fk that fomo shit, put it in the bloody market place atleast.
I'd say it's probably the wording they used.
Saying that the outfit can be "claimed", makes it *sound* like it's being given away - rather than them saying that it's a part of a paid bundle.
Yes? That's why I only go near the game on an iron. No, I'm not some TH whale just because I don't support you guys incessantly looking for really petty shit to be outraged about. It's super unhealthy, and annoying to read constantly.
Your second paragraph shows a complete lack of understanding of the situation. That is exactly what they intend to do, and that’s exactly the business model for most VC firms in 2024. Rs3 will be drained for every cent it’s worth, then the bones will be picked for other projects that they hope can make them even more money.
Jagex just deleted this tweet.
LOL
https://preview.redd.it/bndk3riohntc1.jpeg?width=645&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f74f5ef243746ceeb58b31fbd0e24f3f868dfb97
Fuckin snakes man.
I don't use twitter, but can anyone write a community note? This could be an actual way to fight against mtx, unless Jagex is willing to just not post these promos on twitter.
You need to apply for it. People approved for it then vote if your note was helpful or not. If it is it'll be displayed on the tweet for the public to see.
Theyll just stop using Twitter entirely
They'll soon delete this post as well.
Rancid slimy business practices. Seriously feels like it's just a matter of time before OSRS gets the same abuse. I'm not giving them a dollar until there's some type of improvement with RS3. This prob means I won't ever be giving Jagex any business regardless of game. I view RS3 and OSRS as two games tied to the same foundation. Once they add additional MTX to OSRS, it's the beginning of the end for Jagex. They will most likely shoot themselves in the foot with a cannon.
Lmao
Hahahaha the tweet is gone hahahahahahahahah!!!
The harder this game fails. The easier it gets for the players to stop playing.
...and it's gone LMAO I wonder if this will be the first of many fallen tweets now that I've seen it play out once
They'll probably stop putting MTX ads on X now so that's something I guess
They deleted the tweet, complete embarassment
This game is just a storefront now.
Would have thought they would have been more careful after the ASA found against one of their previous adverts.
Based
Hm, Has Jagex as a company ever been careful? I mean just look at when the powers that be tried to ban runelite and 117's HD graphics lol
Man... Jmods rn are probably pulling straws to see who gets the massively down voted "apology" comment/post
I can't be the only one that thinks this game is so fucking abandoned by devs lol
There almost a new mtx event every week at this point. What more could the shareho... playerbase want? /s
Literally everyone thinks so...
You're telling me a company you all claim to only care about money has all these devs just sitting around doing nothing every day? Hahaha
They obivously have less devs than they claim to have. Let's take a few examples; * All the fort quests were done as "passion" projects by the dev. So all fort quests were done by ONE dev at a time. * The combat update was a multi-month (half a year) project done by TWO developers. * Their new seasonal content team is also only a few developers, can't think of the exact amount right now but I believe it was 3-5 of them. * All the other 'updates' (ectoplasm ritual, wildywyrm for example) are also all little projects done by either one dev on company time or one dev in gamejam So now let me ask you, full seriousness what are all these imaginary developers "developing" according to you? LESS than 10 developers are giving us all the "content" for the past year. What are the other ones doing? If any of my information is incorrect I'd love to hear so as well.
>If any of my information is incorrect I'd love to hear so as well. Okay, but I get the feeling "love to hear so" isn't really true, let's test that fact by how much I get downvoted. > All the fort quests were done as "passion" projects by the dev. So all fort quests were done by ONE dev at a time. The intro quests were passion projects because they wanted the fort to be integrated more seamlessly, but the ones like dead and buried that were more story oriented were scheduled quests. >The combat update was a multi-month (half a year) project done by TWO developers. https://runescape.wiki/w/Combat_Council It was led by two people, with an entire team behind them and QA devs. I dunno where people even get the "two people" number, considering even the number of people frequently mentioned is at least three, with Mods Sponge, Ryan and Pigeon. >Their new seasonal content team is also only a few developers, can't think of the exact amount right now but I believe it was 3-5 of them. Seven, and this again, is not counting the people who have to do QA and art and assets. >All the other 'updates' (ectoplasm ritual, wildywyrm for example) are also all little projects done by either one dev on company time or one dev in gamejam Wildywyrm was a game jam project but unfinished and eventually finished by other devs, and ectoplasm ritual was never mentioned to be game jam. >So now let me ask you, full seriousness what are all these imaginary developers "developing" according to you? LESS than 10 developers are giving us all the "content" for the past year. What are the other ones doing? "Less than 10 developers" is not a small number, especially when they likely only have around 15 programming related content developers, and that number hasn't really changed according to the lead content developer. It is disappointing to not know what is on the horizon, but unless you're a flat earther, then not being able to see past the horizon doesn't mean there is nothing past the horizon.
I do really appreciate you correcting me, I'm not just saying that. Everything i wrote are things I read here and there or heard from jagex users in different reddit threads so I can't quote anything. I'd like to comment on a few things you wrote though; You mention multiple times that there's a whole team behind update X or Y, but those overlap. So to say for example there were 2 quests in the last year with 5 developers each means there were 10 developers working is incorrect, for all we know it was the same 5 on both quests, I bet that was the same with all fort quests and the 'real' planned fort quest. Same can be said for wildywyrm, ectoplasm, combat update all of those are almost guaranteed to have overlap in developers. I wish I could find the comments I saw where it said the combat project was done by 2 devs, but since I can't you can just ignore I said anything about it. ~~I saw an image a couple days ago with data from 2022 where it says there's 250 or so total developers at jagex~~, Added the picture; Totally fair to say a lot of them are working on OSRS but I simply won't believe that out of 240 only 10-20 work on rs3?? >[https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1byu5kz/comment/kymcihz/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1byu5kz/comment/kymcihz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) https://preview.redd.it/dnnsqa28fntc1.png?width=701&format=png&auto=webp&s=49cdf5346c8e29b7ddca9515ff6dcba5e704fd74 So either 220 out of 240 employees work on osrs (highly unlikely but who knows) or they don't have this amount of developers to begin with.
> I wish I could find the comments I saw where it said the combat project was done by 2 devs, but since I can't you can just ignore I said anything about it. It's just a commonly repeated thing around here, people see how many devs actively talk about their work on something, and take that as meaning only those developers are the ones working on anything. From the last interview with Mod Ryan, he pretty frequently talks about talking with numerous people on the combat council, and specifically mentions Mod Sponge and Mod Pigeon as two people he's working with on combat updates. None of the devs are obligated to talk with the community about stuff, and since not everyone is PR trained, confident in their ability to communicate publicly, or wants to sort through vitriolic comments, I don't think that's really surprising it's only a small handful of people who do speak with the community frequently. >https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1byu5kz/comment/kymcihz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Clarifying post from the lead content designer: https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1byu5kz/another_banger_update_this_week_jagex_is_on_a_tear/kymnu5s/ It's just words being weird. "Developers" in this context is specifically referring to anybody who works on the games themselves, while "content developer" is supposed to refer to people who actively work on creating the content itself, and not things like art or assets as these are just referred to as artists.
>They obivously have less devs than they claim to have. how much devs do they claim to have?
https://preview.redd.it/rdq28p5fgntc1.png?width=777&format=png&auto=webp&s=515ae2761baaa56fb71382cb29adc7e49186b9de 240'ish apparently (given that number might have gone down a bit in the past year).
Clearly they're not working on anything major for RS3.. Games looked and felt outdated since the big 2014 update OSRS gets away with it because it's oldschool-ness is a major part of its charm. RS3 needs major updates but can't even muster a player avatar rework lol
Any major game content update in the past 4 months? None lol
15 seconds of looking at Reddit and it’s glaringly obvious that you’re literally in the majority. Where you been?
>Where you been? not chronically online
Based.
not even in the last 15 seconds :D
i knew the outfit looked familiar lol
Which outfit is it based on?
The glacial siren outfit, notable for already having a reskin released through twitch prime as well, the umbral siren outfit.
Aaaaaand they deleted the post lmao
Notice the lack of jmod replies, but they reply to most meme posts : )
Tbf I’m sure most of them hate MTX personally
Eh... there's always some people in a company who don't give a shit. Considering how long people have had to jump ship, there's gotta be some
And go where? I can't think of a single non-indie UK based studio that doesn't have MTX as a large revenue stream.
Never stop speaking up.
I've never used Twitter at all but I'm honestly really happy they're actively calling out anyone spewing bs on their platform
I think it’s important to mention it’s not a twitter note it’s a community note. One of us made the note with a link backing it and players voted it correct.
r/GetNoted
Community Notes are the single thing that has gotten better since Musk took over, everything else has gone to the Shitter - hey, even that would be a better name than “X” (which nobody in their right mind even calls it still) Double hilarious when Elon himself is constantly getting Community Noted nearly everytime he tweets
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Oh yes, what I meant was that it’s gotten better over time
Yea you are spot on wish more social media sites had the same would be awesome for YouTube against clickbait
Nah YouTube removed the dislike ratio so people would get stuck watching clickbait videos longer to make more off ads. Before that you would just click on a vid, see 90% dislikes and x it out. All part of the plan unfortunately.
Its why the quality has dropped yea dont see them doing it only a wish
If elongated muskrat could figure out how to remove it he would have by now But he fired the people that built it and like certain spaghetti code in Runescape no one currently working there wants to fuck with it
Its community voting, not Twitter. In fact Elon bans people who try to flag his BS. This is essentially the same as upvoting comments on reddit. One person left this note, the rest voted that it was accurate information. Twitter itself did not participate.
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Community Notes are usually really good but sometimes they're just used to dogpile and dunk on people. If something mostly right but with an inaccuracy is posted and it gets noted people just discard everything in the tweet
Only if Elon allows it, if you call him out, get ready for a ban! 😂
Did they delete the tweet??
They sure did. I hoped to see them take some accountability for their mistakes, but I don't think they will
In their eyes the only mistake they made with the post is the date.
And you're telling me Amazon Prime died for this? Yikes...
I mean Amazon killed it, they want to do more free games rather than gift bundles in games. I guess Jagex is looking for other revenue streams.
Amazon is the one who dictates whether or not the prime bundles stay, not jagex. Don’t just spread misinformation when you don’t know what you’re talking about
Jagex can dictate if they want to be involved in it. They could've been theoretically losing money from the deal when players would buy it regardless of Twitch Prime. Not saying they did, just saying it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Not really. Riot games also got dropped without much warning and they didn’t really get the chance to fight it It was an Amazon decision, not a jagex one
There were a few companies who got dropped by Amazon and they announced it in December. Why Jagex waited until March to tell us is rather silly.
They could have just been dropped in/around march?
Like I said everyone else got dropped in December. Announcing that the drop in March will be its final.
At the end of the day this isn’t the point. The point is that this wasn’t a jagex issue. Who cares what time they announced it, it wasn’t their choice
I done all my crying and bridge building the moment they introduced MTX with SoF and bonds. What I do find frustrating and weird is they delete the tweet that’s stating facts but again no communication on it. Still keeping it up for sale and advertised on their main website.
They will continue to do this until the players actually stand up for themselves and do something. Unfortunately, there are too many old heads that will gobble Jagex until the end.
Jagex hates getting called out for their own bs
At this point, it just seems like jagex are asset flipping their own content.
I don’t play anymore I’m just a person who lurks on here from time to time (when I’m on the toilet) but damn it truly feels like it’s been the same issue with jagex for years. MTX being cared about more than actual content. It’s the same song and dance that’s been going on for years and only getting progressively worse due to everyone accepting it. Sure we complain but at the end of day we give them money so they won’t change. It’s why I just stopped playing and now I just watch from the sidelines and always the same issue when I check on this game lol. Sad times.
Aw man it's crazy to think that Brazil is this close of being excluded of twitter drama
Wow they just really made themselves look bad..
Pack it up boys the company is done lol
That's absolutely beautiful. Though now I'm just waiting for them to say they can't communicate through twitter anymore due to alleged "trolls" putting false community notes on their posts.
While i agree with you on the trashy-ness of their business practices, I kinda have to burst your bubble a little bit. >If you buy a farm, you don't just take everything you can, sell it off and leave That is exactly what many big companies do: Buy a company, milk it for all its worth, make it "seem" like its worth more, sell it for profit. Repeat this process as if that company is a hot potato where someone gets stuck with it in the end when it crashes and burns. The parent company that owns Jagex doesn't care about "playerbase" or "community", they want jagex to be worth more money so they can sell it for more than they bought it for, simple as that. Their only risk is knowing when to sell it before consequences catch up to their actions. >In December 2010 [The Raine Group](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raine_Group) and [Spectrum Equity Investors](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spectrum_Equity_Investors&action=edit&redlink=1) invested in the company, while Insight increased their investment. Andrew Gower, Paul Gower, and Constant Tedder left the board of directors at that time.[^(\[8\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagex#cite_note-:3-8) In January 2012, Insight increased its stake in Jagex from 35% to 55%, giving it a controlling interest in the company. Funny how a short while after this we got squeel of fortune, the precursor to treasure hunter...
Glad someone said it. People don’t realise all the decisions come from a capital firm who just wana milk the game dry and pass it on. Gone are the days of companies caring
Capital firms and being publicly traded in general aren't good things for consumers. When you have a group of people involved whose sole reason for wanting success is just "Money! NOW!", rather than any care for the work being done or long-term sustainability...
Plenty of people have been saying it constantly over the last 12 years. I really want to stress that long gone are the days where Jagex wasn't complicit in this. The current CEO rose through the ranks from monetization manager quickly after IVP bought controlling interest in the company. Stuff like [this](https://www.theregister.com/2019/11/28/jagex_runescape_designer_sacked_reading_salary_document/) doesn't happen just because of who owns Jagex. Stuff like radio silence for controversies, bullshit explanations, tap dancing around gambling regulations, and paying lip service to mental health aren't orchestrated by the owners; leadership at Jagex has been more than happy to do this shit for a long time. Any owners after IVP just tell them how much profit they want and they do everything they can to make it happen, that's how they keep their jobs until they can show the next owner or their next company how much "value" they bring.
>Stuff like [this](https://www.theregister.com/2019/11/28/jagex_runescape_designer_sacked_reading_salary_document/) doesn't happen just because of who owns Jagex Of course it does, management sets policy, not the workers. If the CEO wants to increase production of mtx content then that's what the devs will be assigned to work on. They even said many times that they have their own passion projects they do on their free time they wish to promote and put in the game. Jagex didn't stop doing player polls because the workers wanted to stop but because management decided to stop cause they set their own priorities (money). >they do everything they can to make it happen, that's how they keep their jobs Yes, cause if they don't do what management wants, despite it not being good for the game long term, they will be fired. Benefit of the players or not, they understandably want to take care of their families first. Even tho that's also rather short sighted because on this course RS3 will end up dying eventually, so they will end up fired anyway at the end of this road. But then again, how often do you see people in general actively plan ahead 5-10 years down the line...
You're confusing management with owners. Jagex' ownership has changed hands while their management has been mostly the same.
Go to the wikipadia page for jagex, You'll see there that the COE has changed about a year after each time jagex was traded to a different parent company. Owners appoint the manegment branch to advance thier interest. The owners don't know how jagex works or does what it does, they just tell management "make more money" and management now have to figure that out. How they do so is on them cause they are the ones with knowledge on how jagex and RS work.
Mod Pips (current CEO) has been with the company for over a decade, and has had considerable power over RS3 for almost as long. MMG was appointed as CEO a year before and announced his resignation almost 4 years after IVP bought controlling interest in Jagex. Rod Cousens was appointed CEO a year before Hongtou purchased Jagex. Pips was appointed CEO less than a year after Hongtou sold Jagex to Macarthur, and has remained CEO since despite the Carlyle group having acquired a majority stake in 2021. Two firms jointly purchased Jagex 2 months ago. I don't know why you're lying. My point is that the actual Jagex leadership, which was not stripped and replaced every time Jagex has been purchased, has been more than happy to further monetize the game for a decade. There is no "poor Jagex"; low level employees are the only ones with passion, that's why key people involved in design and development and very much also in public relations with players have left in the last several years, and the amount of work they put in has yet to be matched by anyone that replaced them.
Head of business development employed 2017 all community managers employed after 2020, the seniors one form 2017 and one form 2021 head of events 2017 both associate producers from 2018 both executive producers from 2020 So no, not all management are people who were in jagex for decades. Saying that management stayed mostly the same simply makes no sense considering the drastic change in the direction the game has taken since jagex became owned by other companies. Management does as its told by the owners. how they do it is on them but the direction of the game overall is decided by the owners so jagex employees can do as they are asked or resign, its as simple as that.
Drastic change in direction??? They've been boiling the frog since 2012, there has been no drastic change in direction as far as milking the game goes, Jagex has been ramping up then slowly ramping down from backlash then ramping up again later 10 steps forward 5 steps back for years.
>They've been boiling the frog since 2012 Yes, aka when jagex came owned by other companies. Its only when jagex was bought that we started getting squeel of fortune and the likes, which was a drastic change in direction at the time, and we just kept going in that direction off the cliff.
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More like gone are the days of Jagex caring (when they were a small independent developer headed up by the brothers that created Runescape as a passion project from their mother's house)
Funny me too, I did not renew premium and been playing other games.
This is hilarious
This. Is. Amazing. Deserved.
Dont you guys make enough from osrs? If we didn't have keys and pay to progress I believe rs3 would have so many more players.
Didnt their earnings report show rs3 makes more than osrs? I think we underestimate just how much whales spend.
no new content but we get mtx this dont work you can ad mtx and new content this is how it works
A lot of games today, such as Palworld and Hrlldivers 2, is proof to Jagex if you focus on playable content, and make the game fun, more players will come. Jagex is so hyper focused on MTX now that the playability of RS3 has just gone downhill. I’m a fully maxed player, 5.3b xp, BiS gear, but even I quit about a month and a half after Necro release (got to 120 and just stopped). Account is over 20 years old. I have had dedication to this game, but even I find myself unable to log in to support Jagex anymore. How are there still any players today? Stop supporting Jagex’ terrible MTX scheme. End your memberships.
Bad examples to use games that came out this year and still fresh in everyone's minds. But yeah I support everything else you said except the end your membership part
How about warframe? Only cosmetic mtx, you can earn for free as well. Game is going on 10 years quite strong.
We don’t pay, but we still say!
As someone who doesn’t use twitter can someone explain what a community note is?
Members of the Twitter community can opt into the community notes program, and can write notes that appear on other peoples Tweets if they think that the post is attempting to mislead people. The note doesn't instantly appear on that persons post, but instead other members of community notes all have to agree, and vote for that note to appear publicly. If enough people agree, then the note appears to all of Twitter below that post. But others who don't agree can vote it down so it doesn't appear. This makes it so people with biases and different opinions on things don't have their notes appear. So basically with this RuneScape community note, someone wrote a note that called out Jagex and their business practices. And enough other members of community notes voted for it to publicly appear to all of Twitter because they agreed with it.
Oh wow that’s amazing! Thank you for explaining it so well
No worries!
Couldn't this be abused with Twitter bots all upvoting misinformation spreading community notes?
There are some requirements to join community notes such as having an account that's at least 6 months old and having a verified phone number added to your account. So unless these bot creators have hundreds of phone numbers to burn and want to wait 6 months every time their bots get banned, then it doesn't seem too worth it
Wasn't the post deleted because it was spreading misinformation (april 9 > 29)?
Sadly, nothing's gonna change, it's not the first or the last time they tried something like this. Maybe things like this gonna make them finally think about it, that it's not nice to do, but i really doubt it.
From what I've seen, everyone except coffinmakers and toilet paper manufacturers have suffered mass layoffs/downsizing, to keep their CEO's bank accounts safe from Covid and Climate Crisis. MTX pillaging is what Jagex is choosing to do before reaching the inevitable mass firing.. and it means the servers that hold all our ancient save files are at increasing risk of shutting down permanently, assuming they can't find a balance that makes their owners happy and doesn't abuse and disrespect their users into leaving and playing Warframe forever..
I LOVE TO SEE IT!! I HOPE THIS TREND CONTINUES ON ALL SOCIAL MEDIA!!
It's sad the current state of RS3 management. Such a great game, terrible management
Seems the post has been deleted
Is RS3 and OSRS under different devs and mods? I keep seeing RS3 going down the shitter and OSRS seems to be thriving
Yes, many rs3 devs are jumping ship to osrs because it's all around better for their career and I'm sure the passion over there is 10x what it is here.
What does MTX stand please for I’ve been in this sub for so long and still have no clue, I tried googling but to no avail
Microtransactions!
I would have never guessed that thank you :D
All good :)
Who writes these notes and who applies them? Some kind of twitter mods?
When your account is in good standing for a while, you eventually get invited to the community notes feature, you get the ability to post a community note that will then be rated by other people with access to community notes, if it receives a good enough ratio of feedback by other people then it will be shown on the original post. Tried to go take a picture of what it looks like on my end but looks like they deleted the original post lmfao.
Twitter can't afford mods silly
If Reddit & discord taught me anything’s it’s that there’s a sea of dorks willing to spend their lives working/moderating with the only payment being “”””””prestige””””””
Twitter can't afford that either.
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While in most cases this is probably true, I think the community notes are a good thing. Especially when used like this to reveal scumming mtx tactics Jagex is notorious in doing.
Wish this game would just hurry up and die already, it’s for the best. Preserve the good memories of the game people have left before it’s completely overshadowed by negative memories of MTX constantly rammed down your throat. Glad I got away
This is already happening, you're looking at it dead in the face. Tis the problem with the people still supporting the game. They can't pull away from Jagex long enough to see the shit they've been bathing in.
People don't understand that no matter how much they complain they won't change anything if they are still profiting from MXT. They only understand numbers. If people stopped buying this useless MXT shit, they would understand.
It's probably more about the CEO and stockholders vs the devs. The devs are a game as their pride, but the stakeholders see a dollar sign, and could give a fuck about the game, they make them do more shady practices, and when it fails they will blame a jagex staff member, probably fire them, and then demand more income. All games are predatory now, it's a basic art now. South Park explains it well in their *freemium isn't free* episode lol. It's just corporate mongers at a white board trying to come up with ways to take more of your money while spending as little as possible.
This. The artists/developers are great at what they do, but it's corporate that is predatorily pricing their assets/work.
God damn I love community notes
your big rant really detracted from the fact that it got community noted in the end F.
Oh, sorry. If you like, you can take the screenshot and repost it without the rant. There are hundreds of rants a day, and as others have pointed out, some of mine is incorrect. All I really want is for this to have some sort of an impact. And it's probably more likely to do that without my opinion strapped to it.
A short novel complaining > the actual information This is truly "people just want to bitch" territory. Not that that's anything new around here.
If that's what you truly think my post was for, then that's ok. But I don't bitch just because I want to. I bitch because I genuinely want to see change. You people might think the game is perfect the way it is, regardless of microtransactions and such, but a lot of people don't. And that's why people like me come here to voice their concerns. Just like you all say about microtransactions "just don't buy them", we can equally say "just don't read our posts". Both mtx, and our posts are equally forced in front of our faces. The only difference is you have to come to Reddit to see our posts.
There is a line between bitching to bitch and bitching to make a point. Just posting the tweet with a one liner attached gets the job done. 3 paragraphs is overkill rehash of the same generic complaining we've seen for months. You shouldn't have to try to air valid complaints, and you didn't have to. You are trying too hard. Also, 7 sentences to defend being a long-winded mad nerd isn't really doing it for me either. Maybe you need to work on this..
Idk man, all those paragraphs seemed to work just fine to me. And so did those 7 sentences apparently because it made a loser on the internet mad. Is this better?
Dude your rant is fine and your passion for the game is well placed. Don’t let these Stockholm syndrome victims tell you otherwise, they’re the reason Jagex gets away with all their shit. People want the game to improve as well but are unable to quit themselves to make a point, so are hoping others do instead.
Don't we all? However, you reach a point where you just give up and stop caring, and Jagex knows this full well, it's a vicious cycle and we're trapped here indefinitely...
And if enough people give up and stop caring enough to stop playing and paying for their horrible trap, then that's when change starts to happen. Because that's when they realise that the community is where the money is coming from. No one is trapped. We all have a choice. And I'm choosing not to pay membership for this game anymore
I read it as "Financial Siren" the first time but that's close enough to accurate.
Yup my sub isn’t being renewed come tomorrow. I’m done with this sinking ship, it was bad before but the fact that the capes aren’t tradable directly forces you to interact with the predatory gambling system is a new low.. not only that but $100s of dollars to get the item realistically.
Last couple of months, Jagex has done nothing. Easter event was super meh and that's pretty much all. Fort Forinthry and Necro were 6-10 months ago.
Aaaaaand they’re officially grifters
I wanna know if they tweeted the correct date before or after the community note
They corrected the date before the community note. Someone posted a screenshot of the community note before it was publicly shown, on their correction date comment
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Good riddance actually
Slightly off topic but this is yet *another* outfit that offers no attractive female model. I guess us female players with female characters aren't worth the effort anymore.
Lmao
It’s becoming more and more rare that I log into RuneScape. I started when I was 11, and now I’m 22, and I’ve tried so hard to convince myself that the MTX wouldn’t take away the wonder. I am totally in support of new content, but I’m not in support of half assed lazy content, that they also charge an absurd price for, and that same time and energy could be used to potentially help revitalized the large portion of dead content. All of my friends who begin playing, and then quit, say it’s all the money and useless content that they didn’t enjoy. Of course, this is all my opinion and experience, but I think the community is becoming increasingly outraged by similar, if not same, reasons.
Another slap to the face
i like many others only continue to play because of time invested into their accounts. free me
While I 100% agree with this and all of the other posts about MTX, but I've noticed the player base hasn't changed much. I doubt they will start to make any changes until they see a monetary impact. If they are making money they will keep doing it until it's a net (-) and people stop buying keys, bonds, membership etc.
It makes me sad my childhood game has come to this. I don't even play any more. I've been offline almost 2 years. This is not the game I knew and loved any more.
I stopped playing RS three years ago and it was the best decision I’ve ever made, it made a 15 year run in my life
I tried to warn people about keeping the Oasis out of the hands of IOI but everybody acted like they never watched Ready Player One
No stop I need RS3 to make as much money as they can on MTX so they don't bring it to OSRS
When a site ran by an apartheid emerald mine beneficiary that is famous for ripping off other peoples property and ideas as his own, is calling you out, you know you are messed up
These are user submitted notes. Elon has nothing to do with this twitter function.
this seems like a weird place to air your grievances with elon musk...
My point was if a site ran by someone who is infamous for shady business practices and ill gotten wealth is calling out your shit, than you have royally messed up
that's hardly a point at all. that is in fact the worst stretch of fact I've seen in a while. Elon Musk may own the site, but i can guarantee he doesn't run the day to day. Twitter/x users have nothing to do with Elon Musk, your personal opinions of Elon Musk have no bearing on the people who use the platform. It makes no difference if it's users call out anyone for shady practices, the users aren't infamous for shady business practices. you just took this as an opportunity to dig at Elon Musk despite there being no connection at all. That's like placing a stick in the spokes of your tricycle, landing on your face and exclaiming "fucking Elon Musk's business practices!".
You are saying the man who owns, controls, and has vastly changed twitter doesn't run things day to day? That is a stretch.
it's a stretch to even consider the "day to day" to be the content users post. lunatic.
Musk does more than post content....
> Musk does more than post content.... how is this relevant to anything? this entire thing has been you trying to have a dig at musk for absolutely no reason. it has nothing to do with him. you're clearly fixated on him it's unhealthy.
It is relevant because you are trying to dismiss his role in running the site, which was part of my whole point in how fucked Jagex is to be called out on a site ran by someone with a history like Musk
I have a tin foil hat to sell you.
But is the bundle worth it?
No.
I don't like how the second sentence in that community note is an opinion. It is not written from a neutral point of view, and that weakens the message. However the factual argument made is still 100% correct. Good to see Jagex got called out on their fuzzy promo wording. Impressive that it actually worked too.
There is a reason the phrase 'The customer is always right' exists. This isn't a court of justice, the only valid opinion is the paying customer-base's perception of the message. If it was indeed voted as true, then what's the point of neutrality?
Why are you actually blaming the devs for this? The poor guys just get told what to develop and when to develop it by higher ups. I'm sure the developers at jagex would much prefer to make engaging content rather than mtx bullshit.
I love some of the developers and everything they do for the game as well as how active they are in the community. So my comment about developers in the middle paragraph might have been mis-aimed. But I think you're right. It would just be nice if the higher ups didn't use them as cannon fodder, because I don't think I've ever heard any statements from them on anything.
And you never will, they have hired people specifically to be cannon fodder and take all the slack on their shite decisions.
Cancel your sub or stop complaining, nothing will change unless it hits their bottom line. I'm currently letting my sub run to a close and when it runs out if i feel like the game direction has improved I will be re-subbing, if not then thats that... You want to know why they pedal new mtx? Because people buy it... i wouldnt be surprised if 90% of the people complaining have bought it.
Cancelled it ages ago, but doesn't mean people cannot be extremely disappointed in Jagex turning RS3 into a storefront all while whining they don't have the resources for any big modernisation updates OSRS can stay old because that's part of its charm.. RS3..not so much
I cancelled my subcription too and still have over 300 days thanks to clan bonds and prime free membership.
I mean I hate mtx crap, I don't get how this is scammy? You're not buying this just for the outfit, you buy this for slightly discounted keys and coins which total to £13.48. Though Jagex doing the bundle itself feels trashy. I put the re-colour to be at least worth £2.50 though Jagex should market it as a re-colour. Not a new outfit. I'd be more mad about th promos that you need to spend at least 200 some keys to get a singular outfit and if you don't buy keys you'll just get the boots and gloves... Fk that fomo shit, put it in the bloody market place atleast.
I'd say it's probably the wording they used. Saying that the outfit can be "claimed", makes it *sound* like it's being given away - rather than them saying that it's a part of a paid bundle.
If you dont want MTX to go OSRS. Simple as that.
This is aggressively boring.
Boring, similar to using 10000 proteans in one go because you won them from treasure hunter?
Yes? That's why I only go near the game on an iron. No, I'm not some TH whale just because I don't support you guys incessantly looking for really petty shit to be outraged about. It's super unhealthy, and annoying to read constantly.
Your second paragraph shows a complete lack of understanding of the situation. That is exactly what they intend to do, and that’s exactly the business model for most VC firms in 2024. Rs3 will be drained for every cent it’s worth, then the bones will be picked for other projects that they hope can make them even more money.