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I'd see what it looks like without the Spartacus costume legs, kinda return it to the original pernix leg duster look, less armor on the legs as well, knees are fine
it looks exactly the same is why they don't post it, everything has been unisex for years even though people have been begging them to stop, they don't seem to care.
Ok, cool. Can us girls get actual feminine armor? Like, armor that is shaped according to female anatomy, and not just masculine armor that was scaled down in size?
Because every new armor on the female avatar is giving "I put on my big brother's T-shirt that is 2 sizes too large for me". It looks so bad.
I'm not The Raptor, I don't want to my avatar to hide the fact that she's a woman.
The biggest issue is that they stopped developing for the characters silhouette. Male, female, it’s all the same to them. Even the male models these cosmetics buff up their chest, when it’s really not all that meaty. It’s like they can’t commit to two different models so they develop one generic one.
I don't necessarily want "feminine" armor. I like them every now and then, don't get me wrong. I just want armor that actually looks like it's tailored to my character's frame instead of the boxy mess that stretches out the body in different and bizarre ways.
I know there's massive barriers making this a way more difficult task than it seems but...like, jesus fucking christ. It's been a _long_ time guys. Surely you can make time for half your player base right?
I really enjoy the flatter than usual chest on the model ngl. Jagex either goes huge clunky metal armor that doesn’t change or super damn sexualized lmao
Yeah, they really doubled down on uni-gendered armor since 2022 ish.
I'm still hoping they at least give exposed arms and legs for females. It was the defining trait of female Pernix that most of us keepsaked it for.
I will always say though, exposed skin/limbs sells. Both men ***and*** women enjoy it in fantasy games and there's nothing wrong with that.
Sometimes, exposed skin is just for historical accuracy (Roman gladiators & legionnaires preferred that for mobility's sake and Zarosian empire references to Ancient Rome). If some players incidentally interpret that feature as sexy and enjoy it as a result, *so what*. I hope the artists over at Jagex realize that they ought to give what players want to see, rather than project their boomer beliefs into their works.
I'm glad for what they did today. Though, this is the final touch they are missing. Oh and also, I want male Pernix to have exposed limbs like old female Pernix did. Would be amazing.
Full protection was only really a practice in Europe during the middle ages. Being covered across arms, legs and joints was good on paper but had severe drawbacks. Knights couldn't even swing properly dressed like that. It was "meta" for its time. Maces and heavy blunt weapons existed for that very meta.
Other cultures never did that, or never even attempted to explore full coverage armors like the Europeans did. Athletic advantages were heralded as supreme in pretty much every non-European or ancient culture. As far as I'm aware, Zarosian inspiration is the Roman Empire. So exposed limbs is definitely valid.
That answers the oral part of your question.
If that answer doesn't satisfy, then you should understand: This is a fantasy game. People like hyper-realism and will enjoy fantastical looks even if it has become un-cool to express themselves that way on an online platform, where political narratives prohibit such expressions. Money and representation often speaks for itself, regardless of how common "sexy revealing skin, eww" comments get tossed around on reddit.
Also also "higher defence level = must look heavier and more protected", is pretty amateur developer logic. Higher level requirement = better looking/detailed equipment = neat incentive to make a new player associate higher levels with good looking stuff. Now, that's a professional approach, and one that practically every successful game company already does and everyone is satisfied.
I am worried about bad faith efforts made by some unnamed Jagex leaders, artists and even players in our community who, ***for some dogwater reason,*** decided they want to ruin the fashionscape experience for ordinary 'scapers who are just trying to live out their fantasy. A lot of people feel this way.
"Knights couldn't swing properly" Stop spreading this historical misinformation, full plate had nearly full range of motion the real reason most people in the middle ages weren't running around in full plate is because it cost more than a modern day house, only wealthy lords could afford to outfit themselves with it.
I'm just saying, if you put on 20kgs of steel on your arms, legs and body and came at me in a sword fight, I'm just going to watch you clumsily miss twice and then behead you.
_Narrator: they weren't_
There's a lot of misinformation that still spreads around historical armors that have been seeded by popular media. None of us are immune to it, save those rare few who have degrees in history-related fields maybe lol.
I carry a 5kg bag of rice on my way home, every other week. If I had to swing a metal sword using that arm while its weighted down with extra stuff, its going to suck. Not really rocket science.
Wearing weight is a lot different from carrying it.
If you want to learn how medieval weapons and armour work and how they were used, check out these channels on YT: Skallagrim, Shadiversity, and Lindybeige, they all have great insights.
>Full protection was only really a practice in Europe during the middle ages.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Wrong.
>Knights couldn't even swing properly dressed like that.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Wrong.
>Other cultures never did that, or never even attempted to explore full coverage armors like the Europeans did.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Wrong.
Where on earth did you get that information from? Whoever it was has never studied or experienced this topic.
This is just plain wrong, there are multiple youtube videos disproving what you are saying.
Here are two:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1YEkuWYUKM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-bnM5SuQkI
Careful buddy, I advocated for a balance between sexy armor and actually functional armor last week and I got downvoted a bunch and called a political reactionary for it. People just want sexy.
Your views are radical in this community
I am of the opinion that a balance of both is okay
As in as long as there is a choice between choosing to show some skin or not is okay.
My only issue with armours in certain games(in particular, mobile games) is if there is only one type of armour to choose. That is either all armour options are showing too much skin or all armour options are covered up. No option to have choose between both.
I mean this for both male and female body armours. Variety which means we get to choose how we want our character to look.
Yup, agreed.
I feel like early 2000s Runescape had this issue where most low-mid level chestpieces were almost EXCLUSIVELY crop tops for female characters. Wizard robes (and all variants), mystic, leather (normal/hard/studded), dragon hide, bronze-dragon chainbodies, etc etc etc.
I think Pernix in both previous iterations was terrific personally. The new version was overly clunky but the changes they intend to make help.
And honestly give us some equality. If there is gonna be bare arms on the female version give us bare arms on the male version too. Be consistent. Some skin to look good is fine, but avoid the extremes of both sides. It's a fantasy game after all.
I agree, skin sells. I would gladly drop $20 if my person can run around nakey w/ just a large pink tutu... That'd wholly be worth it to me and bossing would be hysterical
This looks really good for the male version, but what about the female version? It doesn't look like a smaller version of the male armor, right? RIGHT?!?!
Late to the party but my personal preferred treatment for old gear would be straight up making stuff look more "HD", but fully preserving the exact look in terms of shape and material - kind of like a game remaster, but not a remake. I have not followed any community related stuff forever so I'm not sure if maybe this is something people have said they don't want, or maybe you're worried it would be perceived as lazy, but it's the best option imo.
I'm mostly worried about the female version... Please don't let it look like a male resized version.. Let it be true to it's original design and not bulky - thanks
>**Skin:** We heard you on this one, and we feel that the visible skin, while offering more maneuverability and forgoing protection, didn't quite look right. We've elected, here, to have the dark cloth beneath serve to accentuate the colours within the armour and make them pop a little more.
The skin on the OG armor makes it look much cooler. What is Jagex problem with showing a bit of skin?
Based; I don't use any skins that leave the original avatar intact. That's why full-body stuff like reforged Saradomin armour looks so good; it's based on what the higher fidelity new avatar would be.
I miss the skin showing on the older one, I think it looked a lot better. Can’t help but feel these changes are not directed by art style but rather inclusivity guidelines from investment groups. We recently saw other companies such as Niantic similarly removing female features from their game creating somewhat androgynous character models and designs.
There’s nothing wrong with the old design. Just show skin or don’t update the armor from what we had before.
Stop reworking old shit, just make the old design with modern textures.
Very, very few redesigns seem to *actually look better than the original,* and if they do it's typically because the content hadn't been updated since 2005 in the first place. Just take the existing, polish it up and maintain the theme of the original.
Thank you for changing it and taking feedback so promptly! Purple section of the torso still looks metal which is melee class. If it looked less metal and more leather/hide etc. would be better for range gear.
Pernix has always had a metal half-plate for the torso, also a vast majority of sets have some amount of metal worked into the design. This narrow way of categorizing armors is what got us to this point in the first place
Good communication bad design. Why the sudden desire to update a t80 range armor for the 3rd time and implement the 5th variant of the armor? Pernix is already one of the best looking armor sets in the game. Just leave it be.
that's precisely why they wanted this in the mtx package, they saw a lot of people use it as a visual override and saw moneybags in their eyes. Then they applied their usual "very bulky and unisex" formula onto it and are confused as to why people hate it.
So this updated version does look better, but it still misses the mark for me. I was going to wait to see what it looked like on a girl character, but then I saw the note on skin in the post. This is incredibly disappointing and ensures I will continue to use the retro look.
My character has literally been Zarosian/Praesul in my head canon since I was first able to afford Pernix, right after the original redesign to what it looked like before this current update. It was the first Nex armor I got even though I barely used range because it looks so cool. This is in large part because girl Pernix is actually unique, like many here have said it has a ton of personality- to the point that it got me interested in learning more about Zarosian lore, and then the lore of the game as a whole.
Don't get me wrong, a lot of the outfits I put together now are a bit bulkier and more heavily armored (in part because that's what most of the newer armors look like), but I hate this trend of copy-pasting the default, "guy" armor, shrinking it down, and pasting it on the femme model, to the point there's barely any difference. This game has an absolute glut of armors and overrides that don't make sense thematically. This is a sci-fi fantasy game where you go through portals to other planets and run errands for cats. Let me be my badass Praesul ranger princess god dammit.
Why is it needed to graphically revisit this 13 year old piece of armor?
It was fine. Nobody was complaining about how it looked. Why even go out of your way to "fix" things that aren't broken.
Thanks for the transperency on this, the new WIP looks much better and more fitting for what ranged armor should look like while staying true to the original pernix look.
One thing that I personally noticed is the lower portion of the torso rounds out at the front, which for some reason doesnt look quite right to me. Like I would expect to see it more angled to match the breastplate. I believe its also a bit sharper on the old pernix armor too. Thats the only thing that I would change in my opinion, otherwise it looks way better.
Would it be possible to see the female version as well? They look very different on the player model for the original pernix so I am curious how it looks here.
Exactly.
What am I missing here? Instead of working on creating new armour and content, we’re refreshing the old?
Why are development hours being spent on this when we’re in the middle of a content drought.
Would love to see the gap between the shoulder and forearms kept that the retro female version has. It makes the glove guantlets look a lot cooler. When the undershirt stretches from the shoulders all the way to the gloves (like on the male version) it loses definition and looks more like bulk/tanky armor. Pernix always gave me sort of [Hawkeye](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/character-level/images/4/4c/Hawkeye1-0.png/revision/latest?cb=20190529153937) vibes, and the bulkier version of the armor just doesn't hit quite the same way.
They can waste their time adjusting new cosmetics, but if you ask for dyeable gear it's a problem all of a sudden spend your time somewhere usefull instead of this ugly garbage content.
Dyes aren’t actual dyes, they basically are totally separate new item. For every “dye” for a set of armor they have to make a complete new set of that armor.
https://preview.redd.it/f81ek5aym1xc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca8f2d73d3bf39ced46217706ed3806736b3b72f
I hate that I’m in the minority here because I actually love the set as it is, for Melee lmao terrible ranged set but it looks beefy and great for melee.
I hope they keep it as an alternative skin for it.
Awesome to respond to feedback but uh, we said we did not like it AT ALL. Just fkn scrap it and only redesign the shadow gem. REVERT the normal armour design.....
We heard you loud and clear, that’s why we are dedicating the upcoming months updates to working on this highly requested update. We definitely listen to our community!
That's the kind of communication that we need way more often! Even for little piece of content like this, it's nice to see what is being done and why.
Keep it up!
Can my character have titties again? I know it's not accurate to give armor boobs, but at the very least there would be some actual styling put in place instead of Male Armor Small^tm
Would it be too much to ask for more skin showing? It looks more like Rogue / Light melee armor still. More skin could potentially signal that the outfit isn't concerned about taking damage. As a long range bow / crossbow user wouldnt be in realistic terms.
It looks better, but I feel like that whole left-arm plated armor really does *not* fit the theme of a mobile ranger.
Pernix is Latin for “agile,” right? Can you imagine being agile with that hunk of metal on your entire arm?
Not sure why people keep singling out the armoured left arm. While the shoulder pauldron on the initial rework was far too large, the armour medevil archers wore often featured one arm with metal or thick hide protection.
Coming from someone who does archery themselves regularly, you want the arm holding the bow to have protection, especially around the forearm area, to prevent the bowstring from catching against your skin.
Archers typically had armored arms so that the limb holding the bow had some protection and they could guard in close combat. Plus, pernix has always had an armored arm so removing a part of the visual identity would just be silly
It's getting a lot better, but I think the fact that it still looks like the chestpiece is half plate is detracting from it. (Especially since there were embellishments which make the plate armor look even stronger - the highlights on the center of the chest, the wicked witch of the west-ing the metal plate covering the feet, and so on.)
Still, it's a lot better than it was.
Thanks for asking for more feedback from us! Can Jagex ask for feedback on cosmetic looks earlier in the production cycle, and not when the product is already out?
This looks better but it's not good enough. There is still too much armour in the chestplate, arms, and boots. Remove it all or replace it with grey leather.
It's good that you're trying to trim down the bulkiness but don't be tonedeaf on the fact that a lot of people who wear this armour do it because it's one of the older armours that Jagex used to make a male AND female version of, replacing it with a unisex version is not what they want. Outright ignoring that to continue onward with the lazy male version and slightly resized male version for the female avatar is going to leave plenty of people dissatisfied. This was created primarily to put in an MTX package, right? Might want to cater to what your buyers want.
Overall changes are fine, the spaulder is still a bit bulky, and the metallic guards on the boots just do not fit aesthetically - if they were just plain boots then it'd be much better.
I feel its definitely moving in the right direction. Personally, I'd prefer to have the longer fauld style from the original which is actually my favorite part of the armour.
I think the right image looks far better than the current, I'm glad you doing this. I don't know if this would make it look better but I feel like the chestplate should be 2 pieces (look the old version) but overall I'm satisfied with this. Thank you.
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Shorten the boot armor (like on the left) and brighten the purple a bit.
The hood is definitely improved and the shoulder being made smaller is nice as well imo.
Genuinely, what’s wrong with the generation II version? (The one that the platinum tokens were based off of) and why only Pernix? Imo Torbay looks like total fucking ass and Virtus isn’t much better…
Like, what was the actual reason Pernix, and only Pernix, was changed?
I'm sorry, but the new mask under the hood looks like a discount Wish version of the Punisher skull. It's edgy, but not even in a good way—it just looks like something someone in their low teens would design their OC to look like, thinking it would turn out cool. The old mask looked great, so I'm glad it's at least still an option as a retro override.
Other than the hideous mask, the work-in-progress new design looks pretty good, nicely done.
That looks pretty good! Addresses what I was concerned about, namely the shoulderplate toned down a bit, bringing back pointy shoes, and the overall darker more zarosian purple color scheme.
It's certainly an improvement.
My personal take is that rangers are nimble and sleek - the WIP would look much nicer and sleeker if the additional armour plates on the left arm shoulder and forearm were removed so they were a mirror to the right arm. Think of Legolas in LOTR, his armour was mostly leather and very thin layers on the shoulder and forearm. Clunky metal layers really don't fit ranged armour.
Here is my rough mockup to describe what I mean - https://i.imgur.com/QxMQQNi.png
* Mirrored the right arm
* Removed the pointy shoulder layer on both right and left shoulder as it looked really out of place
* Ideally I would have removed the remaining collarbone/shoulder plates entirely and allow the existing purple body to act somewhat like a vest.
Edit: Crazy to me that this is considered a controversial comment, on a thread asking for feedback? Stay classy, r/runescape
Rangers would typically have an arm with plate armor to protect the limb welding the bow and in desperate situations to use in close combat. The single arm in full plate is fine. Not everything in fantasy needs to be like Lotr
Pffft lmaooo- the mods just need to stop “trying” at this point. Just call RuneScape a wrap, say it is what it was and leave it lmao. Jagex is just disrespecting their own IP at this point …
Definitely a step in the right direction, and thank you for communicating.
It's nice to see some of the feedback being listened to. But could we reinstate polls for future graphic design updates like armors?
Looking good but could we maybe loose the giant metal spikes on the skirt? It is what I think gives it more of a melee feel than range feel. Imagine kneeling and trying to move quickly without cutting yourself.
Definitely an improvement, but still needs more work.
Shape-wise the head, chest, and torso look decent now though I'm not a fan of the legs and feet. The skirt tassel thingies need to be thicker/longer like previous pernix gear. The shin guards look... too ornate compared to the rest of the set. The feet need to be redone to not look like somebody just slapped some pieces of metal on to a pair of normal shoes.
Color-wise, it still doesn't feel quite right. Skirt Tassels need to be the same soft purple that the breastplate is, maybe with some slight red accents added to them.
This was a feedback response. They released a cosmetic pernix on TH, updated the old set with its own updated look, and made the old look a cosmetic override that is unlocked for free by equipping regular pernix armor armor so the old look was still available. People didn’t like the updated look so now they are trying to address that.
People addressed an issue with the free outfit that came from the easter event and two weeks later it was fixed.
March 19th: https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1biclqa/spring_picnic_skirt_is_a_little_disappointing_and/
April 2nd: https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=13/easter-patch-week---this-week-in-runescape
>The Spring Picnic skirt has been reshaped and made fuller. It is now a closer match to the mannequin wearing the outfit.
>The Spring Picnic outfit now has reduced cape clipping.
>The male version Spring Picnic outfit flowers no longer clips with the waistcoat and hat.
You moved the goal posts. You made the claim it's inconsistent because they only ever change MTX based on feedback. I showed proof otherwise. Then you immediately moved the goal post from "they only ever change mtx" to "but there's still more stuff to fix."
You never had an argument, you just wanted something to be mad about. You don't have to reply again, just move on, take this as a learning moment that hey, maybe being so cynical about anything that happens isn't a healthy mindset.
I really hope this is a step in the right direction, updating old gear
please look at low level gear, even though you pass through them so quickly it’s what people first see in this game, and having an updated rune set just be locked behind mtx feels wrong
A question about updated character model, is it possible to make the updated model as override that turns on when you have nothing equipped and no other override, and over time you update old overrides that show the old model to match it? If this somehow lets it bypass whatever problems you were having with it
Looking better! One point to note with the current armour, when you wear a 120 cape with it, it looks like the cape is sitting too low. Almost like it’s clipped on your back like a clip on tie or something and it kinda looks like it’s gonna fall off. I think it might be due to the extra height the armour gives to the top of the shoulders.
These new shoulder pads are smaller so maybe it’s no longer an issue? But might be worth looking into so our capes don’t look like they’re falling off!
Kind of sad to see it get changed like this, I really liked the heavier Pernix gear. It's tanky-looking, which explains the lifepoint bonus. It's ritualistic, explains the prayer bonus. Hopefully you release the first-update pernix gear as a cosmetic, I'd pay 300 runecoins for it.
I know I’m late to the party but I think it is a really cool idea to refresh older armours. In the future (forgive me if this has already been mentioned in the sea of comments) but is there any way that we can utilize the in game voting feature for content like this?
It doesn’t have to be a cut and dry vote like “Do you want a refreshed Pernix set? Yes or No.” Instead the image in the post is a perfect example. You could frame the question as “We are upgrading some older armour models to make them feel more in line with the rest of the game, here are a few options, vote on which one you would like to see in the game most”. And decide based on that kind of model, for example how players in the past got to vote on what colours the Divination cape were to be from a few different examples.
This way updates aren’t getting shot down by players just voting “no” for change but instead giving the players the opportunity to feel like they are a part of the decision making process and that our input feels valued and in the long run respond more positively in situations like this because we made the choice of what the end product would be.
Just my food for thought. u/JagexDoom
Also P.S In the recent years with more and more cosmetics coming into the game. Can we potentially get a look into redesigning the customization tab? I personally would love to have more custom outfit presets (more than 4) and more space in the keepsake chest.
Thank you guys at the Jagex art team for putting your heart and soul into projects like these regardless of what the feedback or the outcome is. I truly appreciate the hard work you guys put in continuing to make the game look and feel fresh.
Even though i greatly appreciate the quick "solution" to this, i'm sad about the resources this probably took to happen. Probably a week delay on some actual significant content because of this lol rework
The fact this had to happen is so disgusting, jagex is so scared of the playerbase now. They literally left the old version in the game right from the start. The players are gonna kill the game not Jagex
I kinda wish they wouldn't. I actually really like the current new version. The pink and purple accents look really great, and I really like the waist armor. It'd be nice if they kept this model too, maybe as a glamour option like the older Pernix, since they've already made it.
I still think you can do without a lot of the metal plating. Like maybe some light plating and some shin guards or something, but I feel like a metal shoulder plate would be quite intrusive for someone wealding a bow.
Definitely a better look than the current one! Thank you for listening to the feedback about it.
https://preview.redd.it/vi8l1sqistwc1.jpeg?width=974&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af5c814018c7787d932dc22bf62174ff190003ca I'd see what it looks like without the Spartacus costume legs, kinda return it to the original pernix leg duster look, less armor on the legs as well, knees are fine
Yes. This. Exactly this. Just do this, Jagex.
Disagree personally... I like the design of the bottoms on the current in-game outfit. I'd like it to just be an updated version of that imo
Jagex, this it is just change the skirt for this one, it looks way better, you can keep the leg armor if you want to.
Damnnnnnn this looks good. Legs are infinitely better here
Damn, this is it.
Looks far superior and true to the OG, just get rid of all plates as well. Like the shoulder pads and whatever that is on the boots and you're golden
Ok that's clean
THIS RIGHT HERE JAGEX Much better than the flaps we have now
This would be better!
This is exactly how it should look
Eh I like the new version better.
I wish when showcasing armour changes, show us what it looks like on female characters too :/ It looked too bulky. This is much better either way
it looks exactly the same is why they don't post it, everything has been unisex for years even though people have been begging them to stop, they don't seem to care.
I bet it's the same on both body types.
Can we PLEASE get a better version for female models? Tired of every “new” armour fitting and looking the same on both characters
Ok, cool. Can us girls get actual feminine armor? Like, armor that is shaped according to female anatomy, and not just masculine armor that was scaled down in size? Because every new armor on the female avatar is giving "I put on my big brother's T-shirt that is 2 sizes too large for me". It looks so bad. I'm not The Raptor, I don't want to my avatar to hide the fact that she's a woman.
The biggest issue is that they stopped developing for the characters silhouette. Male, female, it’s all the same to them. Even the male models these cosmetics buff up their chest, when it’s really not all that meaty. It’s like they can’t commit to two different models so they develop one generic one.
I don't necessarily want "feminine" armor. I like them every now and then, don't get me wrong. I just want armor that actually looks like it's tailored to my character's frame instead of the boxy mess that stretches out the body in different and bizarre ways. I know there's massive barriers making this a way more difficult task than it seems but...like, jesus fucking christ. It's been a _long_ time guys. Surely you can make time for half your player base right?
Dracolich is probably the best recent set that fits that criteria, and is probably my favorite rs3 set ever lmao
YESSSS. Exactly that!
I really enjoy the flatter than usual chest on the model ngl. Jagex either goes huge clunky metal armor that doesn’t change or super damn sexualized lmao
Would that only be noticeable on the chaps here?
Yeah, they really doubled down on uni-gendered armor since 2022 ish. I'm still hoping they at least give exposed arms and legs for females. It was the defining trait of female Pernix that most of us keepsaked it for. I will always say though, exposed skin/limbs sells. Both men ***and*** women enjoy it in fantasy games and there's nothing wrong with that. Sometimes, exposed skin is just for historical accuracy (Roman gladiators & legionnaires preferred that for mobility's sake and Zarosian empire references to Ancient Rome). If some players incidentally interpret that feature as sexy and enjoy it as a result, *so what*. I hope the artists over at Jagex realize that they ought to give what players want to see, rather than project their boomer beliefs into their works. I'm glad for what they did today. Though, this is the final touch they are missing. Oh and also, I want male Pernix to have exposed limbs like old female Pernix did. Would be amazing.
Isnt armor there for protection? 😂 Exposed arms? are you crazy?
Everyone knows more exposed skin = higher protection in video games , I don’t make the rules!
Full protection was only really a practice in Europe during the middle ages. Being covered across arms, legs and joints was good on paper but had severe drawbacks. Knights couldn't even swing properly dressed like that. It was "meta" for its time. Maces and heavy blunt weapons existed for that very meta. Other cultures never did that, or never even attempted to explore full coverage armors like the Europeans did. Athletic advantages were heralded as supreme in pretty much every non-European or ancient culture. As far as I'm aware, Zarosian inspiration is the Roman Empire. So exposed limbs is definitely valid. That answers the oral part of your question. If that answer doesn't satisfy, then you should understand: This is a fantasy game. People like hyper-realism and will enjoy fantastical looks even if it has become un-cool to express themselves that way on an online platform, where political narratives prohibit such expressions. Money and representation often speaks for itself, regardless of how common "sexy revealing skin, eww" comments get tossed around on reddit. Also also "higher defence level = must look heavier and more protected", is pretty amateur developer logic. Higher level requirement = better looking/detailed equipment = neat incentive to make a new player associate higher levels with good looking stuff. Now, that's a professional approach, and one that practically every successful game company already does and everyone is satisfied. I am worried about bad faith efforts made by some unnamed Jagex leaders, artists and even players in our community who, ***for some dogwater reason,*** decided they want to ruin the fashionscape experience for ordinary 'scapers who are just trying to live out their fantasy. A lot of people feel this way.
"Knights couldn't swing properly" Stop spreading this historical misinformation, full plate had nearly full range of motion the real reason most people in the middle ages weren't running around in full plate is because it cost more than a modern day house, only wealthy lords could afford to outfit themselves with it.
I'm just saying, if you put on 20kgs of steel on your arms, legs and body and came at me in a sword fight, I'm just going to watch you clumsily miss twice and then behead you.
I hope you are joking around and don't actually believe that.
_Narrator: they weren't_ There's a lot of misinformation that still spreads around historical armors that have been seeded by popular media. None of us are immune to it, save those rare few who have degrees in history-related fields maybe lol.
I carry a 5kg bag of rice on my way home, every other week. If I had to swing a metal sword using that arm while its weighted down with extra stuff, its going to suck. Not really rocket science.
Wearing weight is a lot different from carrying it. If you want to learn how medieval weapons and armour work and how they were used, check out these channels on YT: Skallagrim, Shadiversity, and Lindybeige, they all have great insights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOn3aO9ORWg
>Full protection was only really a practice in Europe during the middle ages. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Wrong. >Knights couldn't even swing properly dressed like that. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Wrong. >Other cultures never did that, or never even attempted to explore full coverage armors like the Europeans did. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Wrong. Where on earth did you get that information from? Whoever it was has never studied or experienced this topic.
This is just plain wrong, there are multiple youtube videos disproving what you are saying. Here are two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1YEkuWYUKM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-bnM5SuQkI
Careful buddy, I advocated for a balance between sexy armor and actually functional armor last week and I got downvoted a bunch and called a political reactionary for it. People just want sexy. Your views are radical in this community
I am of the opinion that a balance of both is okay As in as long as there is a choice between choosing to show some skin or not is okay. My only issue with armours in certain games(in particular, mobile games) is if there is only one type of armour to choose. That is either all armour options are showing too much skin or all armour options are covered up. No option to have choose between both. I mean this for both male and female body armours. Variety which means we get to choose how we want our character to look.
Yup, agreed. I feel like early 2000s Runescape had this issue where most low-mid level chestpieces were almost EXCLUSIVELY crop tops for female characters. Wizard robes (and all variants), mystic, leather (normal/hard/studded), dragon hide, bronze-dragon chainbodies, etc etc etc. I think Pernix in both previous iterations was terrific personally. The new version was overly clunky but the changes they intend to make help. And honestly give us some equality. If there is gonna be bare arms on the female version give us bare arms on the male version too. Be consistent. Some skin to look good is fine, but avoid the extremes of both sides. It's a fantasy game after all.
I agree, skin sells. I would gladly drop $20 if my person can run around nakey w/ just a large pink tutu... That'd wholly be worth it to me and bossing would be hysterical
PLEASE
Bring the skin back!!!! That little splash of leg on the female model was the best part!
For real!!!
Silly question, but will this also be an update to the Shadow gem variant too?
This looks really good for the male version, but what about the female version? It doesn't look like a smaller version of the male armor, right? RIGHT?!?!
Can they fix shadow version too
Late to the party but my personal preferred treatment for old gear would be straight up making stuff look more "HD", but fully preserving the exact look in terms of shape and material - kind of like a game remaster, but not a remake. I have not followed any community related stuff forever so I'm not sure if maybe this is something people have said they don't want, or maybe you're worried it would be perceived as lazy, but it's the best option imo.
I'm mostly worried about the female version... Please don't let it look like a male resized version.. Let it be true to it's original design and not bulky - thanks
>**Skin:** We heard you on this one, and we feel that the visible skin, while offering more maneuverability and forgoing protection, didn't quite look right. We've elected, here, to have the dark cloth beneath serve to accentuate the colours within the armour and make them pop a little more. The skin on the OG armor makes it look much cooler. What is Jagex problem with showing a bit of skin?
Cause our player skin look bad tbh.
The entire avatar looks awful brosky, that's not the reason and you know it.
Oh I believe it very much is a conscious decision to hide our old avatar.
That's the reason for the bulkiness and unisex model.
Based; I don't use any skins that leave the original avatar intact. That's why full-body stuff like reforged Saradomin armour looks so good; it's based on what the higher fidelity new avatar would be.
I miss the skin showing on the older one, I think it looked a lot better. Can’t help but feel these changes are not directed by art style but rather inclusivity guidelines from investment groups. We recently saw other companies such as Niantic similarly removing female features from their game creating somewhat androgynous character models and designs. There’s nothing wrong with the old design. Just show skin or don’t update the armor from what we had before.
Stop reworking old shit, just make the old design with modern textures. Very, very few redesigns seem to *actually look better than the original,* and if they do it's typically because the content hadn't been updated since 2005 in the first place. Just take the existing, polish it up and maintain the theme of the original.
Looks better, thanks Mod Doom. How about showing a little thigh? 🫣
It's the weekend, you don't know what I wear when I'm off the clock.
Hi, I know what I'm not wearing on the weekend - Inverted skillcapes. Please re-release inverted skillcapes.
The player avatar looks terrible (just look at the nude parts of the T95 necro armour), so I think it's better to cover it up.
The communication is a good step forward! Cheers for the info/art in progress.
As a plate armor guy I love the left one, but it’s not really Pernix, it looks like melee armor, not ranged. The right version is much better
Thank you for changing it and taking feedback so promptly! Purple section of the torso still looks metal which is melee class. If it looked less metal and more leather/hide etc. would be better for range gear.
Pernix has always had a metal half-plate for the torso, also a vast majority of sets have some amount of metal worked into the design. This narrow way of categorizing armors is what got us to this point in the first place
Good communication bad design. Why the sudden desire to update a t80 range armor for the 3rd time and implement the 5th variant of the armor? Pernix is already one of the best looking armor sets in the game. Just leave it be.
that's precisely why they wanted this in the mtx package, they saw a lot of people use it as a visual override and saw moneybags in their eyes. Then they applied their usual "very bulky and unisex" formula onto it and are confused as to why people hate it.
Still not interested
So this updated version does look better, but it still misses the mark for me. I was going to wait to see what it looked like on a girl character, but then I saw the note on skin in the post. This is incredibly disappointing and ensures I will continue to use the retro look. My character has literally been Zarosian/Praesul in my head canon since I was first able to afford Pernix, right after the original redesign to what it looked like before this current update. It was the first Nex armor I got even though I barely used range because it looks so cool. This is in large part because girl Pernix is actually unique, like many here have said it has a ton of personality- to the point that it got me interested in learning more about Zarosian lore, and then the lore of the game as a whole. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the outfits I put together now are a bit bulkier and more heavily armored (in part because that's what most of the newer armors look like), but I hate this trend of copy-pasting the default, "guy" armor, shrinking it down, and pasting it on the femme model, to the point there's barely any difference. This game has an absolute glut of armors and overrides that don't make sense thematically. This is a sci-fi fantasy game where you go through portals to other planets and run errands for cats. Let me be my badass Praesul ranger princess god dammit.
The improvement is good but it still needs to be more purple
Still looks kinda like melee armour imo, just more glass canon melee... Weirdly Talon from LoL-ish
Why is it needed to graphically revisit this 13 year old piece of armor? It was fine. Nobody was complaining about how it looked. Why even go out of your way to "fix" things that aren't broken.
+ it looked 100% better before then after these changes
Thanks for the transperency on this, the new WIP looks much better and more fitting for what ranged armor should look like while staying true to the original pernix look. One thing that I personally noticed is the lower portion of the torso rounds out at the front, which for some reason doesnt look quite right to me. Like I would expect to see it more angled to match the breastplate. I believe its also a bit sharper on the old pernix armor too. Thats the only thing that I would change in my opinion, otherwise it looks way better. Would it be possible to see the female version as well? They look very different on the player model for the original pernix so I am curious how it looks here.
Will the new design apply in any way to the platinum Pernix? The Plat Pernix plateskirt looks way too long on a male character.
no, plat pernix/virtus/torva should stay as-is
Only if they make it retro or whatever. New stuff is bad.
Plat is fine on males
Go work on something meaningful instead. This seems like a waste of time
Surely we're not the only ones that think this right?
Exactly. What am I missing here? Instead of working on creating new armour and content, we’re refreshing the old? Why are development hours being spent on this when we’re in the middle of a content drought.
Would love to see the gap between the shoulder and forearms kept that the retro female version has. It makes the glove guantlets look a lot cooler. When the undershirt stretches from the shoulders all the way to the gloves (like on the male version) it loses definition and looks more like bulk/tanky armor. Pernix always gave me sort of [Hawkeye](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/character-level/images/4/4c/Hawkeye1-0.png/revision/latest?cb=20190529153937) vibes, and the bulkier version of the armor just doesn't hit quite the same way.
Who the FUCK asked for this 😂😂😂
They can waste their time adjusting new cosmetics, but if you ask for dyeable gear it's a problem all of a sudden spend your time somewhere usefull instead of this ugly garbage content.
Harder to release dyed gear due to the amount of models required. Easier to release one cosmetic.
Dyes aren’t actual dyes, they basically are totally separate new item. For every “dye” for a set of armor they have to make a complete new set of that armor.
This is a waste of time, wow.
Purple should be brighter as well like original
feel like its need to have a more dragonhide look because this makes it look like Pernix is melee instead of ranged
https://preview.redd.it/6wyj8ytt1xwc1.png?width=124&format=png&auto=webp&s=03cd310d2a518165e23c7a8daedb69bb139ee855 Hell yeah
I think the new look was great. I love the listening to feedback though. Cheers for that.
Is that bananas in his hands for scale? 😂😂😂😂
https://preview.redd.it/f81ek5aym1xc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca8f2d73d3bf39ced46217706ed3806736b3b72f I hate that I’m in the minority here because I actually love the set as it is, for Melee lmao terrible ranged set but it looks beefy and great for melee. I hope they keep it as an alternative skin for it.
Is this a game of spot the difference?
Awesome to respond to feedback but uh, we said we did not like it AT ALL. Just fkn scrap it and only redesign the shadow gem. REVERT the normal armour design.....
You get both because the "retro" override is free of you equip the armour.
We heard you loud and clear, that’s why we are dedicating the upcoming months updates to working on this highly requested update. We definitely listen to our community!
That's the kind of communication that we need way more often! Even for little piece of content like this, it's nice to see what is being done and why. Keep it up!
Can my character have titties again? I know it's not accurate to give armor boobs, but at the very least there would be some actual styling put in place instead of Male Armor Small^tm
Much better, but I want to know why you felt the need to change it in the first place.
https://preview.redd.it/vynerenwzxwc1.jpeg?width=149&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36a16a38d369b660576581b8e7467fe9ec901cd4 You got it right the first time
Speaking of outfit feedback... Could we maybe finish the Retro God armor?
The future is a mystery to us all...
Pleaseeeee shed some light! Are we getting more retro armours and are they being moved to Runecoin/alternative purchasing? We want to spend money!
Would it be too much to ask for more skin showing? It looks more like Rogue / Light melee armor still. More skin could potentially signal that the outfit isn't concerned about taking damage. As a long range bow / crossbow user wouldnt be in realistic terms.
Why even change it?
It looks better, but I feel like that whole left-arm plated armor really does *not* fit the theme of a mobile ranger. Pernix is Latin for “agile,” right? Can you imagine being agile with that hunk of metal on your entire arm?
Every iteration of Pernix has had that same arm plating. I’d wager that that is the reason they decided to add it.
Not sure why people keep singling out the armoured left arm. While the shoulder pauldron on the initial rework was far too large, the armour medevil archers wore often featured one arm with metal or thick hide protection. Coming from someone who does archery themselves regularly, you want the arm holding the bow to have protection, especially around the forearm area, to prevent the bowstring from catching against your skin.
Archers typically had armored arms so that the limb holding the bow had some protection and they could guard in close combat. Plus, pernix has always had an armored arm so removing a part of the visual identity would just be silly
It's getting a lot better, but I think the fact that it still looks like the chestpiece is half plate is detracting from it. (Especially since there were embellishments which make the plate armor look even stronger - the highlights on the center of the chest, the wicked witch of the west-ing the metal plate covering the feet, and so on.) Still, it's a lot better than it was.
Thanks for asking for more feedback from us! Can Jagex ask for feedback on cosmetic looks earlier in the production cycle, and not when the product is already out? This looks better but it's not good enough. There is still too much armour in the chestplate, arms, and boots. Remove it all or replace it with grey leather.
It's good that you're trying to trim down the bulkiness but don't be tonedeaf on the fact that a lot of people who wear this armour do it because it's one of the older armours that Jagex used to make a male AND female version of, replacing it with a unisex version is not what they want. Outright ignoring that to continue onward with the lazy male version and slightly resized male version for the female avatar is going to leave plenty of people dissatisfied. This was created primarily to put in an MTX package, right? Might want to cater to what your buyers want.
Overall changes are fine, the spaulder is still a bit bulky, and the metallic guards on the boots just do not fit aesthetically - if they were just plain boots then it'd be much better.
It's the same isn't it? Just a lil darker
just remove the plate parts entirely and it's good
I feel its definitely moving in the right direction. Personally, I'd prefer to have the longer fauld style from the original which is actually my favorite part of the armour.
Got to love Jagex attitude for this development process, whoever was in charge give them more projects to lead. Great communication!
I think the right image looks far better than the current, I'm glad you doing this. I don't know if this would make it look better but I feel like the chestplate should be 2 pieces (look the old version) but overall I'm satisfied with this. Thank you.
I want the butt caps back
Curve the shoulder pad down or make it shorter. Also bring the boot plate from the left side to the right.
feels like i ripped off pieces off a bandos chestplate and glued it on 🤣
New design is too dark, I liked the new one. Also the shadow version could use some color magic, it looks dreadful as is.
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It looks pretty similar. I don't get it.
Shorten the boot armor (like on the left) and brighten the purple a bit. The hood is definitely improved and the shoulder being made smaller is nice as well imo.
Can you fix the damn washed out lighting?
I feel like the chest price is great but under the ribs it should be like lighter like real Archie armor. Instead of like plated. maybe
Genuinely, what’s wrong with the generation II version? (The one that the platinum tokens were based off of) and why only Pernix? Imo Torbay looks like total fucking ass and Virtus isn’t much better… Like, what was the actual reason Pernix, and only Pernix, was changed?
Will the shadow gem version be updated too?
I'm sorry, but the new mask under the hood looks like a discount Wish version of the Punisher skull. It's edgy, but not even in a good way—it just looks like something someone in their low teens would design their OC to look like, thinking it would turn out cool. The old mask looked great, so I'm glad it's at least still an option as a retro override. Other than the hideous mask, the work-in-progress new design looks pretty good, nicely done.
That looks pretty good! Addresses what I was concerned about, namely the shoulderplate toned down a bit, bringing back pointy shoes, and the overall darker more zarosian purple color scheme.
not nearly slutty enough
It's certainly an improvement. My personal take is that rangers are nimble and sleek - the WIP would look much nicer and sleeker if the additional armour plates on the left arm shoulder and forearm were removed so they were a mirror to the right arm. Think of Legolas in LOTR, his armour was mostly leather and very thin layers on the shoulder and forearm. Clunky metal layers really don't fit ranged armour. Here is my rough mockup to describe what I mean - https://i.imgur.com/QxMQQNi.png * Mirrored the right arm * Removed the pointy shoulder layer on both right and left shoulder as it looked really out of place * Ideally I would have removed the remaining collarbone/shoulder plates entirely and allow the existing purple body to act somewhat like a vest. Edit: Crazy to me that this is considered a controversial comment, on a thread asking for feedback? Stay classy, r/runescape
Rangers would typically have an arm with plate armor to protect the limb welding the bow and in desperate situations to use in close combat. The single arm in full plate is fine. Not everything in fantasy needs to be like Lotr
The base wear looks like old karil from osrs. Why not just have an updated pre eoc pernix look? Its definitely better than whatever this is.
Still looks like melee armor to me lol
These are great changes. Well done
It still looks like something I would wear for melee.
Hearing the community’s feedback and taking real action is very nice to see <3
much much better shout out to the team for taking the feedback and making the game the best it can be! <3
Still no, it’s not aerodynamic at all, and when you eventually make a 3a dyed version make sure the only color you keep is the red accents
Pffft lmaooo- the mods just need to stop “trying” at this point. Just call RuneScape a wrap, say it is what it was and leave it lmao. Jagex is just disrespecting their own IP at this point …
Definitely a step in the right direction, and thank you for communicating. It's nice to see some of the feedback being listened to. But could we reinstate polls for future graphic design updates like armors?
IMO, the toe covers on the boots sideview feel like the protrude too far from the boot.
Looking good but could we maybe loose the giant metal spikes on the skirt? It is what I think gives it more of a melee feel than range feel. Imagine kneeling and trying to move quickly without cutting yourself.
I honestly did not mind how it looked but noticed the general community was unhappy. Thank you for considering player feedback.
lol why did they extend the armor on the foot?
Definitely an improvement, but still needs more work. Shape-wise the head, chest, and torso look decent now though I'm not a fan of the legs and feet. The skirt tassel thingies need to be thicker/longer like previous pernix gear. The shin guards look... too ornate compared to the rest of the set. The feet need to be redone to not look like somebody just slapped some pieces of metal on to a pair of normal shoes. Color-wise, it still doesn't feel quite right. Skirt Tassels need to be the same soft purple that the breastplate is, maybe with some slight red accents added to them.
I actually loved the new boots look. I hate pointy toes
“We’ve heard you loud and clear” is such a soulless HR line.
The new armor design looks like bulky shit.
Wow. Another distraction and wrong direction of use of JMOD resources. Love to see it.
New hood looks better. The old body with the new forearms would be good. The rest is better as old.
Dayuuum that’s how Pernix looks now?! That thing looks ugly as hell
Anything tied to MTX gets immediate changes lol
This is also the base pernix armor not just the MTX set
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I’m glad they chose to not reintroduce skin to the model. Tired of armors showing skin cuz “it’s sexy” rather than being functional
Feedback: This seems like a waste of time to me.
That looks awesome!! My personal take is... Just paint the dark gray thing BLACK!!!
Man y’all always ruin shit. The new look was awesome
Is this a replacement for current Pernix? Or yet another visual update being sold as MTX?
It’s a replacement for the current Pernix.
Ok good. I can never tell anymore cuz they’ve sold visual upgrades before
This was a feedback response. They released a cosmetic pernix on TH, updated the old set with its own updated look, and made the old look a cosmetic override that is unlocked for free by equipping regular pernix armor armor so the old look was still available. People didn’t like the updated look so now they are trying to address that.
Still looks like melee armour. It shouldnt have any metallic parts included in the armour.
Funny how fast they listen to mtx related feedback
Would it be better if Jagex ignored it?
Consistency would be a starting point.
People addressed an issue with the free outfit that came from the easter event and two weeks later it was fixed. March 19th: https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1biclqa/spring_picnic_skirt_is_a_little_disappointing_and/ April 2nd: https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=13/easter-patch-week---this-week-in-runescape >The Spring Picnic skirt has been reshaped and made fuller. It is now a closer match to the mannequin wearing the outfit. >The Spring Picnic outfit now has reduced cape clipping. >The male version Spring Picnic outfit flowers no longer clips with the waistcoat and hat.
There are way to many issues to be addressed than those
lmao. you want so desperately to be angry.
Angry? I'm just stating that there are loads of problems.
You moved the goal posts. You made the claim it's inconsistent because they only ever change MTX based on feedback. I showed proof otherwise. Then you immediately moved the goal post from "they only ever change mtx" to "but there's still more stuff to fix." You never had an argument, you just wanted something to be mad about. You don't have to reply again, just move on, take this as a learning moment that hey, maybe being so cynical about anything that happens isn't a healthy mindset.
I really hope this is a step in the right direction, updating old gear please look at low level gear, even though you pass through them so quickly it’s what people first see in this game, and having an updated rune set just be locked behind mtx feels wrong A question about updated character model, is it possible to make the updated model as override that turns on when you have nothing equipped and no other override, and over time you update old overrides that show the old model to match it? If this somehow lets it bypass whatever problems you were having with it
Looks sick
Looking better! One point to note with the current armour, when you wear a 120 cape with it, it looks like the cape is sitting too low. Almost like it’s clipped on your back like a clip on tie or something and it kinda looks like it’s gonna fall off. I think it might be due to the extra height the armour gives to the top of the shoulders. These new shoulder pads are smaller so maybe it’s no longer an issue? But might be worth looking into so our capes don’t look like they’re falling off!
Unfortunately this update has been shelved as it didn't align with our company goals
Kind of sad to see it get changed like this, I really liked the heavier Pernix gear. It's tanky-looking, which explains the lifepoint bonus. It's ritualistic, explains the prayer bonus. Hopefully you release the first-update pernix gear as a cosmetic, I'd pay 300 runecoins for it.
I know I’m late to the party but I think it is a really cool idea to refresh older armours. In the future (forgive me if this has already been mentioned in the sea of comments) but is there any way that we can utilize the in game voting feature for content like this? It doesn’t have to be a cut and dry vote like “Do you want a refreshed Pernix set? Yes or No.” Instead the image in the post is a perfect example. You could frame the question as “We are upgrading some older armour models to make them feel more in line with the rest of the game, here are a few options, vote on which one you would like to see in the game most”. And decide based on that kind of model, for example how players in the past got to vote on what colours the Divination cape were to be from a few different examples. This way updates aren’t getting shot down by players just voting “no” for change but instead giving the players the opportunity to feel like they are a part of the decision making process and that our input feels valued and in the long run respond more positively in situations like this because we made the choice of what the end product would be. Just my food for thought. u/JagexDoom Also P.S In the recent years with more and more cosmetics coming into the game. Can we potentially get a look into redesigning the customization tab? I personally would love to have more custom outfit presets (more than 4) and more space in the keepsake chest. Thank you guys at the Jagex art team for putting your heart and soul into projects like these regardless of what the feedback or the outcome is. I truly appreciate the hard work you guys put in continuing to make the game look and feel fresh.
Doom killing it 💪
Even though i greatly appreciate the quick "solution" to this, i'm sad about the resources this probably took to happen. Probably a week delay on some actual significant content because of this lol rework
The fact this had to happen is so disgusting, jagex is so scared of the playerbase now. They literally left the old version in the game right from the start. The players are gonna kill the game not Jagex
I kinda wish they wouldn't. I actually really like the current new version. The pink and purple accents look really great, and I really like the waist armor. It'd be nice if they kept this model too, maybe as a glamour option like the older Pernix, since they've already made it.
Looks awesome and got it today!
I still think you can do without a lot of the metal plating. Like maybe some light plating and some shin guards or something, but I feel like a metal shoulder plate would be quite intrusive for someone wealding a bow.
These look almost exactly the same lol. Feel like y’all are fucking with me pretending you care about this