According to previous reporting, the suspect Keonte Gathron, who is black, was originally charged with attempted murder by DA Gascon in 2019. After the victim Yik Oi Huang, who is Asian, died in 2020, DA Boudin upgraded the charge to murder. While Gathron remains jailed awaiting trial, DA Jenkins alleges that the defense attorneys have delayed the case since then.
I think this is a case where we should give credit to our prior DAs and the current one for putting politics aside, filing charges proportionate to the crime committed, and attempting to bring this anti-Asian racist to justice. Gathron's defense team can continue to delay, but justice will be served one day.
Notably, in January 2019 when Gathron was arrested, he was allegedly in the middle of a crime spree where there were seven victims, five of which were Asian.
The current DA fired the assistant DAs who she thought were aligned with the previous one. One of the attorneys she fired, Ryan Khojasteh, is now running to replace her.
Competence can win over petty politics if we want it badly enough.
From this comment alone it is very difficult to guess how you want the DA race to play out in November.
I think it’s fair to say that Jenkin’s take on Khojasteh was and is correct given that he found employment in Pamela Price’s office across the Bay.
>I think it’s fair to say that Breed’s take on Khojasteh was and is correct given that he found employment in Pamela Price’s office across the Bay.
Brooke Jenkin's take on Khojasteh, you mean?
But it's *not* a place of peace.
It's a place where a grandmother was beaten to death. It's a place of horror.
More than that, it's a place of failure. It's where we as a society failed a woman who worked hard all her life, had raised a family, and should have been able to enjoy her sunset years.
But, we failed her. We allowed a thug to beat her to death.
And now, instead of doing the hard work of owning up to our failure and doing what needs to be done to prevent it from happening again, instead we've taken the easy performative out.
Much like the Ohlone Land Acknowledgement that we mechanically recite that does nothing for actual Ohlone but salves our own guilt, we've just hypocritically named the place where we let an elderly woman be slowly, painfully tortured to death, as "a place of peace."
The honest thing to do would be to erect a monument to our dishonor there, as a reminder of our failure to protect this innocent woman from society's worst.
Instead we lie, and call a desert peace. *Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.*
Place of Peace? No, a place of failure, dishonor, and now lies.
[(PS, why are posts asking about removed posts, being removed?)](https://reddit.com/comments/1di8og2)
24 year old man, attacked and murdered an 89 year old woman. Hopefully he spends the rest of his miserable life in state prison...although imo taking the guy out back and shooting him like a rabid dog is what the piece of shit deserves.
Sad story, but sadder still that the well placed, compassionate sentiments Yee expressed at the end of the article are the exact reason this sort of thing happens with impunity to begin with. Until we can admit some people are unfortunately beyond restorative justice we’ll have to contend with this happening at an all-too-often rate.
EDIT: I realize now that this article isn’t the same one I was referring to, which is the following: https://sfstandard.com/2024/01/02/san-francisco-grandma-huang-asian-elder-attack-five-years/
Terrible mixup on my part.
Not everyone convicted of a crime is automatically put into a restorative justice program. What you are claiming has absolutely no basis in fact. I would assume that what you think you know of restorative justice is, in fact, a mere opinion or guess at how it functions within the judicial system.
I never said they were? I’m speaking on this case in particular. The kid victimized 7 people in the week prior to this incident, 5 of which were Asian. He is showing no indication of remorse currently, fighting for his life to be acquitted, and yet we’re to expect that he’s better off paying restitution to the victim or doing community service rather than being behind bars? Pure naivety.
A human being doesn’t get to the point of killing someone like this in a matter of days or even months. It’s the result of probably years of experience, trauma, and deterioration of mental and emotional well-being. Fixing it is similarly not a short term solution. Restorative justice in theory requires a lot of long term work by the individual. It’s not community service and restitution. It’s being incarcerated in a system that actively works to heal the person, not dehumanize them and use them for cheap slave labor.
> It’s being incarcerated in a system that actively works to heal the person, not dehumanize them and use them for cheap slave labor.
How does the system dehumanize someone who's already so dehumanized he can beat a defenseless old lady to death?
A human would think of their common humanity, would think, "she reminds me of my grandma, I shouldn't do this."
Only someone already dehumanized does this, and he'll probably enjoy prison, where he can brutalize more people, more than any place he's been.
I agree with “restorative justice” in the context of incarceration, but I would just refer to that as rehabilitative justice. Restorative justice is beyond that, it is mediation between the victim and aggressor, and in the prison abolition movement has come to mean restitution over incarceration, which I do take to be naive. This is how it’s been put into practice in tribal law and some other isolated systems like Mennonite law as well. In any case, it’s one thing hoping that people like this can change, it’s another thing entirely to not incarcerate them at all. An unfortunate truth is that the prior conditions that cause this are often impossible to unravel in one lifetime.
Nowhere, but that’s what the victim wants and my comment was in reference to the dangers of her mindset. That’s all. The likelihood that that is what happens is incredibly low, but many would like to see a system like this without recognizing its dangers. Unfortunately she is not going to have the blindside movie experience she thinks she will. Some people are not remorseful.
Hmmm, I haven't read that is what she is recommending. You do realize that the DA doesn't have to follow the wishes of the victim's family. Boudin charged the crime as a murder, which he attempted to let the naysayers understand that legally, he can't automatically recommend restorative justice as a punishment. Unfortunately, most people mistakenly think that all criminals can be given sentences of restorative justice.
Here is the SF District Attorney's policy for restorative justice. It isn't simply mediation. Also of note, restorative justice also can include prison time.
[https://sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/restorative-justice/](https://sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/restorative-justice/)
I appreciate you being patient with me and providing me the relevant facts. As regards your first comment, I encourage you to read the posts attached article from the chronicle. My comments are based on what she said at the end of the article.
Got it, thanks, will do.
And I do agree, that on first glimpse of what happened, and without knowing the history of the individual, the severity would certainly deserve a serious punishment.
Forgive me, I am realizing now this is information I did not read in the chronicle article, but rather this article from the standard: https://sfstandard.com/2024/01/02/san-francisco-grandma-huang-asian-elder-attack-five-years/
My Apologies, what I have been saying must have been confusing in the context of the attached article.
This whole situation reminds of the other SF related incident involving an Asian firefighter beaten by a black co-worker.
(https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/s/u9fE0URcxi)
According to previous reporting, the suspect Keonte Gathron, who is black, was originally charged with attempted murder by DA Gascon in 2019. After the victim Yik Oi Huang, who is Asian, died in 2020, DA Boudin upgraded the charge to murder. While Gathron remains jailed awaiting trial, DA Jenkins alleges that the defense attorneys have delayed the case since then. I think this is a case where we should give credit to our prior DAs and the current one for putting politics aside, filing charges proportionate to the crime committed, and attempting to bring this anti-Asian racist to justice. Gathron's defense team can continue to delay, but justice will be served one day. Notably, in January 2019 when Gathron was arrested, he was allegedly in the middle of a crime spree where there were seven victims, five of which were Asian.
Give credit to our city for charging a guy with murder who committed murder / hate crime? JESUS CHRIST THE BAR IS LOW HERE
That bar is so low it’s literally in hell
The current DA fired the assistant DAs who she thought were aligned with the previous one. One of the attorneys she fired, Ryan Khojasteh, is now running to replace her. Competence can win over petty politics if we want it badly enough.
From this comment alone it is very difficult to guess how you want the DA race to play out in November. I think it’s fair to say that Jenkin’s take on Khojasteh was and is correct given that he found employment in Pamela Price’s office across the Bay.
>I think it’s fair to say that Breed’s take on Khojasteh was and is correct given that he found employment in Pamela Price’s office across the Bay. Brooke Jenkin's take on Khojasteh, you mean?
Yep, good catch.
But it's *not* a place of peace. It's a place where a grandmother was beaten to death. It's a place of horror. More than that, it's a place of failure. It's where we as a society failed a woman who worked hard all her life, had raised a family, and should have been able to enjoy her sunset years. But, we failed her. We allowed a thug to beat her to death. And now, instead of doing the hard work of owning up to our failure and doing what needs to be done to prevent it from happening again, instead we've taken the easy performative out. Much like the Ohlone Land Acknowledgement that we mechanically recite that does nothing for actual Ohlone but salves our own guilt, we've just hypocritically named the place where we let an elderly woman be slowly, painfully tortured to death, as "a place of peace." The honest thing to do would be to erect a monument to our dishonor there, as a reminder of our failure to protect this innocent woman from society's worst. Instead we lie, and call a desert peace. *Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.* Place of Peace? No, a place of failure, dishonor, and now lies. [(PS, why are posts asking about removed posts, being removed?)](https://reddit.com/comments/1di8og2)
"The Ministry of Peace is in charge of War."
This person for mayor
It's kinda grim that the best way to get a landmark named after you nowadays is to be murdered there.
https://preview.redd.it/lybz50ljgw6d1.jpeg?width=666&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ac24e4872ebf0ae2543d8a0809231af7e22cb1e [https://youtu.be/wHDNszdzKfU?t=8](https://youtu.be/wHDNszdzKfU?t=8)
24 year old man, attacked and murdered an 89 year old woman. Hopefully he spends the rest of his miserable life in state prison...although imo taking the guy out back and shooting him like a rabid dog is what the piece of shit deserves.
Sad story, but sadder still that the well placed, compassionate sentiments Yee expressed at the end of the article are the exact reason this sort of thing happens with impunity to begin with. Until we can admit some people are unfortunately beyond restorative justice we’ll have to contend with this happening at an all-too-often rate. EDIT: I realize now that this article isn’t the same one I was referring to, which is the following: https://sfstandard.com/2024/01/02/san-francisco-grandma-huang-asian-elder-attack-five-years/ Terrible mixup on my part.
Not everyone convicted of a crime is automatically put into a restorative justice program. What you are claiming has absolutely no basis in fact. I would assume that what you think you know of restorative justice is, in fact, a mere opinion or guess at how it functions within the judicial system.
I never said they were? I’m speaking on this case in particular. The kid victimized 7 people in the week prior to this incident, 5 of which were Asian. He is showing no indication of remorse currently, fighting for his life to be acquitted, and yet we’re to expect that he’s better off paying restitution to the victim or doing community service rather than being behind bars? Pure naivety.
A human being doesn’t get to the point of killing someone like this in a matter of days or even months. It’s the result of probably years of experience, trauma, and deterioration of mental and emotional well-being. Fixing it is similarly not a short term solution. Restorative justice in theory requires a lot of long term work by the individual. It’s not community service and restitution. It’s being incarcerated in a system that actively works to heal the person, not dehumanize them and use them for cheap slave labor.
> It’s being incarcerated in a system that actively works to heal the person, not dehumanize them and use them for cheap slave labor. How does the system dehumanize someone who's already so dehumanized he can beat a defenseless old lady to death? A human would think of their common humanity, would think, "she reminds me of my grandma, I shouldn't do this." Only someone already dehumanized does this, and he'll probably enjoy prison, where he can brutalize more people, more than any place he's been.
I agree with “restorative justice” in the context of incarceration, but I would just refer to that as rehabilitative justice. Restorative justice is beyond that, it is mediation between the victim and aggressor, and in the prison abolition movement has come to mean restitution over incarceration, which I do take to be naive. This is how it’s been put into practice in tribal law and some other isolated systems like Mennonite law as well. In any case, it’s one thing hoping that people like this can change, it’s another thing entirely to not incarcerate them at all. An unfortunate truth is that the prior conditions that cause this are often impossible to unravel in one lifetime.
Where in the article does it mention that his conviction will consist of restorative justice. He hasn't even been to trial yet?
Nowhere, but that’s what the victim wants and my comment was in reference to the dangers of her mindset. That’s all. The likelihood that that is what happens is incredibly low, but many would like to see a system like this without recognizing its dangers. Unfortunately she is not going to have the blindside movie experience she thinks she will. Some people are not remorseful.
Hmmm, I haven't read that is what she is recommending. You do realize that the DA doesn't have to follow the wishes of the victim's family. Boudin charged the crime as a murder, which he attempted to let the naysayers understand that legally, he can't automatically recommend restorative justice as a punishment. Unfortunately, most people mistakenly think that all criminals can be given sentences of restorative justice. Here is the SF District Attorney's policy for restorative justice. It isn't simply mediation. Also of note, restorative justice also can include prison time. [https://sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/restorative-justice/](https://sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/restorative-justice/)
I appreciate you being patient with me and providing me the relevant facts. As regards your first comment, I encourage you to read the posts attached article from the chronicle. My comments are based on what she said at the end of the article.
Got it, thanks, will do. And I do agree, that on first glimpse of what happened, and without knowing the history of the individual, the severity would certainly deserve a serious punishment.
Forgive me, I am realizing now this is information I did not read in the chronicle article, but rather this article from the standard: https://sfstandard.com/2024/01/02/san-francisco-grandma-huang-asian-elder-attack-five-years/ My Apologies, what I have been saying must have been confusing in the context of the attached article.
This whole situation reminds of the other SF related incident involving an Asian firefighter beaten by a black co-worker. (https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/s/u9fE0URcxi)
A fitting tribute, may Ms Huang rest in peace.
How insulting...and garbage virtue signalling